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Special Events Forums => King of the Hill => Topic started by: pervert on January 12, 2013, 05:39:37 PM
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Can something be done about people winning multiply KOTHS? Maybe after winning a koth you are allowed to attend another one but have to leave after becoming a wabbit? I know TOCs are traditional smaller affairs but I cannot help thinking something like the TOC needs a bigger rostor. :salute
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Not going to state my opinion yet, but let the masses speak first. I think it was back when the wKOTH started and we, that 'we' will be the KOTH Team as it stood then, wanted a distinction between wabbits and winners and it was deemed wabbits shouldn't really get a pass into the TOC, and that was around three years ago. wKOTH all three years has been basically a duel between the two people who show up, best of 5.
It seems to me that TOC attendance has always been around 50% of the people who are on the list.
EDIT- I believe this is the post where it was polled and discussed.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,282637.0.html
And I shouldn't need to say it but I will. That post is a dinosaur, reply in this thread to it or bring up your points. Let that post rest.
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not a bad idea :aok
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Agreed, i wouldnt mind to see more people there.
But consider this, Junky, Fester, DrBone, Valen, Yarbles couldnt get there, idk who is Loser, and honestly i dont mind that Dejavu/Twintail wasnt there.
I have won 2 events this year, Red won 3, Fester 4 maybe. But what if i like theese events and i would like to fly here after i have won one?
One more thing: more contestants --> longer events (possibly). Im afraid it is already tiring enough for Fuzeman. All of my respect to him for being this patient.
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Agreed, i wouldnt mind to see more people there.
But consider this, Junky, Fester, DrBone, Valen, Yarbles couldnt get there, idk who is Loser, and honestly i dont mind that Dejavu/Twintail wasnt there.
I have won 2 events this year, Red won 3, Fester 4 maybe. But what if i like theese events and i would like to fly here after i have won one?
One more thing: more contestants --> longer events (possibly). Im afraid it is already tiring enough for Fuzeman. All of my respect to him for being this patient.
While I do complain about lengths at times, too often I'd hate to admit, the real stress comes from having to police, for lack of a better word, your event, especially so when there are a few who aren't going with the flow.
And one point from this host is as Debrody mentions regarding limits on players who have reservations, what if you are skilled, lucky, whatever enough to win the January KOTH and there is a limit. That means you can't fly another KOTH until the TOC. IMO that is totally un-acceptable.
There is already a tool KOTHers themselves can use to reduce the duplicate KOTH winners by preventing them from getting a win as wabbits.....
(http://i.qkme.me/3q06ch.jpg)
IMO it is also used to infrequently.
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Once I get my TOC invite I continue to fly koth's until/if I get Wabbit. Then I usually just...happen...to run out of gas or auger or lose if it comes down to it sometimes >.>
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Had one of those seldom used braincells fire and it came up with this. Just throwing it out to see what sticks to the wall...
OK, you won a KOTH and have a reservation to the TOC. With my next win, or say two or three KOTH wins with invitations, it would take me another round win to win the TOC.
For example. I win a KOTH and get a reservation, first lets get the :lol out of the way for me winning one. Imagine I do win one, and then a second KOTH win [ or more than my second one, this multiplier would have to be determined ] it would then take me 4, or some agreed upon number of additional rounds, to with the TOC.
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Had one of those seldom used braincells fire and it came up with this. Just throwing it out to see what sticks to the wall...
OK, you won a KOTH and have a reservation to the TOC. With my next win, or say two or three KOTH wins with invitations, it would take me another round win to win the TOC.
For example. I win a KOTH and get a reservation, first lets get the :lol out of the way for me winning one. Imagine I do win one, and then a second KOTH win [ or more than my second one, this multiplier would have to be determined ] it would then take me 4, or some agreed upon number of additional rounds, to with the TOC.
I like it! :aok
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Unless I totally read that wrong sine I'm still waiting for my coffee, that might make it pretty difficult to win the TOC then, an event already stacked with the top competition. I think they'd just chose not to participate in future koths. When it comes down to it, I think what we have is the best. Possibly revert back to letting wabbits into Koth. That wouldn't have really changed much this time as TC and I were the only ones to crawl out of bed for wkoth
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Thats a great idea fuze makes sense
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Unless I totally read that wrong sine I'm still waiting for my coffee, that might make it pretty difficult to win the TOC then, an event already stacked with the top competition. I think they'd just chose not to participate in future koths. When it comes down to it, I think what we have is the best. Possibly revert back to letting wabbits into Koth. That wouldn't have really changed much this time as TC and I were the only ones to crawl out of bed for wkoth
Well I don't think it would go so far as say if a person won 6 KOTHs that they would need to win 6 rounds for TOC, that would be tough! And a really long TOC :eek:
Another example using that multiplier I mentioned with it being 3 here. If the same person above won those 6 KOTHs, they might need 4 round wins to get the TOC. If he got three round wins he could be a super-wabbit. :x
Regarding wKOTH, I am dissapoinated with that. I really like the idea and it is KOTH-like in nature but as you mentioned so far not enough wabbits have ever shown up to make it good.
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"super-wabbit" :rock
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Why not just make it 2-3 earned wabits to be invited to the TOC.
If you got that many you deserve to be there IMO.
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Well I don't think it would go so far as say if a person won 6 KOTHs that they would need to win 6 rounds for TOC, that would be tough! And a really long TOC :eek:
If we can find a good balance I think this is a good idea. I'm just worried that people would choose the easier route and not participate in more koths once they've won one. Which could hurt attendance.
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If we can find a good balance I think this is a good idea. I'm just worried that people would choose the easier route and not participate in more koths once they've won one. Which could hurt attendance.
They could attend they would probably leave after 2 wins though which I think is a good balance.
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And something that stupidly just dawned on me, with only one KOTH we are down to at most 14 people in the TOC.
And the new prospect is geting more resistance than I thought so this might be a moot point.
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And something that stupidly just dawned on me, with only one KOTH we are down to at most 14 people in the TOC.
And the new prospect is geting more resistance than I thought so this might be a moot point.
This is the only tournament worth winning in Aces High, come to think of it, it really is the only tournament! Like you said at the TOC you'd think dogfighters in a dogfighting game would enjoy erm dogfighting :lol
In terms of the genre of air combat there is no other competition like this in the world and certainly not with the length of history KOTH has!
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I agree as I was the one that mentioned the thing regarding a pure dogfighting event in a WW2 simulation.
There are many reasons some don't like a KOTH type event. To list but a random incomplete few of them:
- They do not like flying against the same aircraft for some reason.
- They do not like what KOTH has evolved into. Some can't stand the HOing and apparent 'lameness' they perceive. Others can't stand the loiterers who hover over a fight. I don't know how to fix either.
- Some may not like the confined space with regard to distance and more specifically altitude limits.
- I'm pretty sure there are many who think I'm a turd of a CM. Either biased, power-hungry or whatever. Of course I'd disagree with that and just say I'm trying to run my event the best I can with what I have.
- I'm pretty sure some CMs don't even like the event as it has a somewhat troubled history. It may have had a little of that but this years TOC was trouble-free and I hope it continues in 2013.
- Some might think they are not good enough to fly in KOTH and IMO nothing can be farther from the truth. Its a great place to learn and watch some real good cartoon pilots.
To be honest I was very close to cancelling the 2013 season as I can't guarentee I can stay the full year so it's almost a waste to discuss this. I'm still not positive the '13 season will finish as we've hit some unexpected pot holes in the latest version of 'KOTH finds a new CM.' Wish I could go into it more as Im sure most would :lol :lol and then :lol some more but if I did the event would end, immediately.
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:frown:
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- They do not like flying against the same aircraft for some reason.
- They do not like what KOTH has evolved into. Some can't stand the HOing and apparent 'lameness' they perceive. Others can't stand the loiterers who hover over a fight. I don't know how to fix either.
- Some may not like the confined space with regard to distance and more specifically altitude limits.
- I'm pretty sure there are many who think I'm a turd of a CM. Either biased, power-hungry or whatever. Of course I'd disagree with that and just say I'm trying to run my event the best I can with what I have.
- I'm pretty sure some CMs don't even like the event as it has a somewhat troubled history. It may have had a little of that but this years TOC was trouble-free and I hope it continues in 2013.
- Some might think they are not good enough to fly in KOTH and IMO nothing can be farther from the truth. Its a great place to learn and watch some real good cartoon pilots.
Listen here Fuzeman,
as far as i could get it, the koth was designed to create more or less even, but any ways, decet fights.
-those who have no balls when their aircraft isnt turning twice as well as the opponent's, well, i dont think "we" want them to this event.
-hoing... in the last 2 years, i had the fortune to fight many different people. But none of them could beat me when they were hoing - the top notch ones know the "etiquette", the rest is easy to avoid.
-altitude limit: again, those who have no balls when they cant BnZ, rope-a-dope, etc, well, i dont think "we" want them to participate anyways.
For me, the main points of theese events are the fun, improving, and the quality interaction with other people. Magic words, arent they? And in the wast majority of the time, i got what i wanted.
So heads up man.
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Listen here Fuzeman,
as far as i could get it, the koth was designed to create more or less even, but any ways, decet fights.
-those who have no balls when their aircraft isnt turning twice as well as the opponent's, well, i dont think "we" want them to this event.
-hoing... in the last 2 years, i had the fortune to fight many different people. But none of them could beat me when they were hoing - the top notch ones know the "etiquette", the rest is easy to avoid.
-altitude limit: again, those who have no balls when they cant BnZ, rope-a-dope, etc, well, i dont think "we" want them to participate anyways.
For me, the main points of theese events are the fun, improving, and the quality interaction with other people. Magic words, arent they? And in the wast majority of the time, i got what i wanted.
So heads up man.
All I was doing was expressing some possible reasons why people might not like KOTH, some are just thoughts and others are opinions that have been expressed by some.
Your first fight is supposed to be 'fair' in that nobody has a real advantage if they plan it that way but your second, third, and so on fights are a test of your SA and you eliminate the others getting in your way as you climb the hill.
IMO this event packs more dogfighting into your hour of gameplay than any other.
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I appreciate what everyone has said up to this point, and I have been considering all of the options that are on the table.
I stated this at TOC, and as a new "CM in Training" I have made it my intention to become a KOTH CM with the go ahead of the CM team, and fuzeman. If fuzeman does not want to continue with the KOTH, it won't be for very long. I need to first train as a AHXARL CM, and then I will work to become a KOTH CM. I must make this clear, this is all a big if.
If I do become the KOTH CM, The rules will change. The players, including myself, have noticed a lot of reasons why KOTH does not have the mustard it used to. Thus it is time for a change.
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Care to elaborate on that bosco?
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It might have something to do with your squad constantly winging. :aok
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My wants really don't figure into this much. I still want to host KOTH but being a cargiver for a 92 year old Mother with dementia is a time consuming 'job' and it's taking more of my time, and at whatever time that happens to be it gets attention. That's why I wont and can't guarantee I can stay here for the whole year.
[ edit- this line going privately :) ]
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It might have something to do with your squad constantly winging. :aok
Never seen it. Has been me an bruv only last 2 TOC, I dont think many of our squad has even flown koth last 2 years, your gonna have to be more precise here and dont wimp out on the details.
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I would have liked to fly more in it, but I guess moving the event 1 hour forward would have caused to many issues.
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I would have liked to fly more in it, but I guess moving the event 1 hour forward would have caused to many issues.
Discuss this. As it was the last couple of years the wKOTH has been a 5 round duel and doesn't need three hours to complete, especially now with the number of KOTHs cut in half.
Next year, and at the moment it's really questionable if we have a 2013 TOC, I could see a wKOTH at noon or 1 and only being 2 hours or whatever and TOC bumped up an hour.
Time and date for TOC or anything like this is always a some like it some don't proposition and you have to remember its a world wide event, even though I think most KOTHers are from Britain and her past or present colonies.
This year and all the BS that was ongoing I didn't want to change much.
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I knew it wouldn't take long for someone to make excuses as to why they lost. :aok
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I knew it wouldn't take long for someone to make excuses as to why they lost. :aok
No comment.
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I knew it wouldn't take long for someone to make excuses as to why they lost. :aok
What?
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It might have something to do with your squad constantly winging. :aok
Thats what Deb.
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Thats what Deb.
Yeah right. haha
My only excuse is that I've spent most of the last two years on the Bering Sea instead of flying, and I suck right now. It's not about being bitter or making excuses. I always speak my mind.
But I was wrong to make that statement in this thread. It will only derail things and I apologize. It's not the spirit that KOTH needs right now.
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perv saved bruv's bacon at least once from me :old:
Then again he butted in on every single fight I had after round 3 as soon as I got past 2 turns with the original person(s) :furious :bhead
Not like I had a chance, but still... you didn't have to pick on the little guy :confused: :cry
*crawls back under rock I came from* Sorry, continue.
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perv saved bruv's bacon at least once from me :old:
Then again he butted in on every single fight I had after round 3 as soon as I got past 2 turns with the original person(s) :furious :bhead
Not like I had a chance, but still... you didn't have to pick on the little guy :confused: :cry
*crawls back under rock I came from* Sorry, continue.
It still boggles the mind when people become wabbits they take getting hunted as a wabbit personally :old: there is a special reason to do this...
If they win one more round the game is over
If they win one more round the game is over
If they win one more round the game is over
What cracks me up though is everyone collectively forgets about the wabbit after ganging him 1 round.
So here is some wabbit hunting lessons :old:
- 1 Take care of the wabbit before you take care of anthing else
- 2 You have as much chance winning a round taking out a wabbit first than flying off somewhere else
- 3 On no account allow two wabbits to venture off together, this is a game ending scenario
- 4 Pick one wabbit and stick on him, switching between wabbits willy nilly confuses other wabbit hunters and ends with all the wabbit hunters on one guy and a wabbit free to come in high and pick
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Still, when one wabbit is a squaddie and an other is an "enemy", its a simple choice ;)
Not trying to curse anyone, nor suspecting anything as all i seen was fair, nor i would do anything differently, just a gentle smile :)
I made an extraordinarily bad decision and we both paid for it. You know what im talking about. My fault, blame me.
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Still, when one wabbit is a squaddie and an other is an "enemy", its a simple choice ;)
Not trying to curse anyone, nor suspecting anything as all i seen was fair, nor i would do anything differently, just a gentle smile :)
I made an extraordinarily bad decision and we both paid for it. You know what im talking about. My fault, blame me.
squad affiliation should stop at the KOTH door.....thats just my opinion.....
if I see a squadie and someone else fighting I will try to take out the guy who I feel is more dangerous to me...most often it is the squadie. :uhoh
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Still, when one wabbit is a squaddie and an other is an "enemy", its a simple choice ;)
Not trying to curse anyone, nor suspecting anything as all i seen was fair, nor i would do anything differently, just a gentle smile :)
I made an extraordinarily bad decision and we both paid for it. You know what im talking about. My fault, blame me.
squad affiliation should stop at the KOTH door.....thats just my opinion.....
if I see a squadie and someone else fighting I will try to take out the guy who I feel is more dangerous to me...most often it is the squadie. :uhoh
And yet reality dismisses Debrodys innuendo,
Round winners
round 1 Bruv
round 2 redbull
round 3 redbull wabbit
round 4 debrody
round 5 debrody wabbit
round 6 pervert
round 7 krupinski
round 8 bruv wabbit
round 9 bruv wins
As you can see Bruv did not become a wabbit until round 8, and I went after him and redbull in round 9 do keep groping around for excuses for why you lost or someone else won debrody but have a think about them and check the facts first otherwise you look stupid when presented with the facts. :old:
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someone needs to go find Redbulls house sneak in and break his stick....... :confused:
:D
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One thing that has always irratated me, is once I have worked / maneuvered my bellybutton of to get angles and/ or saddled up on a wabbit.... Someone comes in and takes me out.... even if I have already started firing and connecting on the wabbit.... Just to jump in F5 view from the tower to see said wabbit kill the one who got me and proceed to win the monthly event.... I can not count how many times this has happened in the last decade..... BTW, I am talking about right after "Fight On" is called... Not talking about being the last 5 to 3!!!
TC ( aka Viper )
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Then again he butted in on every single fight I had after round 3 as soon as I got past 2 turns with the original person(s) :furious :bhead
And just while I am dropping the reality bomb :rofl this was your first fight of that round
pervert
16:12:36 Departed from Field #2 in a Fw 190D-9
16:20:33 Shot down a Fw 190D-9 flown by RedBull.
Redbull
16:12:34 Departed from Field #2 in a Fw 190D-9
16:20:34 Bravely Bailed from damaged plane.
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Chill, Pervert, i wasnt accousing anyone, of anything.
Stated, all "i" have seen was within the rules. Bad luck, morality and decisions is a completely different thing though - i only can blame my connection, and myself, of course.
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Maybe it was for the better I didn't play in toc.
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And just while I am dropping the reality bomb :rofl this was your first fight of that round
pervert
16:12:36 Departed from Field #2 in a Fw 190D-9
16:20:33 Shot down a Fw 190D-9 flown by RedBull.
Redbull
16:12:34 Departed from Field #2 in a Fw 190D-9
16:20:34 Bravely Bailed from damaged plane.
You beat me fair and square in dora's, I never fly that thing, hell everyone beats me in dora's :cry
I was just saying that I couldn't even get a fight after that because you seemed to be there :( I didn't take it personally...I knew why you were doing it, just saying it got a bit repetitive after a few rounds, and there was nothing I could do about it because just about everyone there was better than I was.
someone needs to go find Redbulls house sneak in and break his stick....... :confused:
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That sounds painful and like something my ex gf would like to do :huh :confused: :bolt:
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You beat me fair and square in dora's, I never fly that thing, hell everyone beats me in dora's :cry
I was just saying that I couldn't even get a fight after that because you seemed to be there :( I didn't take it personally...I knew why you were doing it, just saying it got a bit repetitive after a few rounds, and there was nothing I could do about it because just about everyone there was better than I was.
That sounds painful and like something my ex gf would like to do :huh :confused: :bolt:
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl