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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: TexMurphy on August 30, 2004, 10:31:14 AM
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Hia guys.
Im relativly new to the game. I flew 2 weeks 2 years ago, 2 weeks 1 year ago but now Ive come back and actually subscribed.
The reason Ive never subscirbed before is that Im not really fuzzy about the bish/rook/knight setup. For me personally it feels just so wrong to have all planes on all sides.
I mean when I fly my YAK wtf am I shooting at another YAK for and not at that 109 that is flying next to me?
Just doesnt make sence to me.
Im trying to ignore that fact, pretend that everyone around me on my team is flying planes from my nation and since I fly russian planes its not that many enemies in same planes. Im actually considering flying italian planes just to get more imersion of fighting the enemy.
Really CT should be my home. CT is what makes sence to me, my interest in history and combat.
Though the big problem there is just sooo few pilots in the CT. I dont know if its a time zone issue since Im in europe but I never see more then max 20-30 pilots online.
I mean the england france map is soo cool but its so hard to find fights. And when in a great setting like this one has to spend time searching for battles it kills of the imersion of fighting WW2 as well.
It becomes more a "training ground" in a historic setting then AH in a historic setting.
Its such a shame because Id love to fly big scale combat in the CT.
What I wonder is if there has been any consideration put into how to boost the number of players in CT?
Tex
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A few of us in Hornets want us to have a squad night in the CT every week. Hopefully we will be able to sort something out, that would be fun and help with numbers a little.
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Welcome to the CT and I hope you stay. This is an issue that has been and is still discussed. "Why the CT" "What is the CT" etc.
The MA is an arena where guys can log on and shoot at something and capture fields.
The CT was not intended for that. However, what we do have is a mini MA were guys just want to up and furball without having to use thier brain to put all the information together to fly a mission.
i.e radar, bar dar, icon settings, haze (vgisability) etc. Fights are hard to find as they should be. There is more to the CT than just shooting at something.
This normaly happens at 9pm or so on Tuesday and Thursday nights. Try it.
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I guess what I wanted to say was that during squad nights there is a mission subject. Each side sets out to accomplish a givin task. This task may or may not include dogfighting. What is neat is to be flying among a formation of 15 fighters, look down and see 5 fighter (no threat to the mission) and hear them on the buffer crying about us not fighting. This also goes the other way, look up and see 25 planes fly over you just to pass and be gone.
I on the otherhand faught 10 or so fighters alone while escorting buffs. I couls have been shot down at any time. Although I was a pain in thier arse, I was no threat to the higher and faster LW fighters. IN other words, they did not weaist thier time shootinmg me down. Thier mission was to shoot down bombers, not fighters. I did my job, they did thiers. To many this is boring, to us few it is not!
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CurtissP-6EHawk
What I ment by fights beeing hard to find is not that I just want to be able to launch and kill stuff.
Though what I dont want to be doing is spending 2 hours searching through the entire region to find an air field that people are flying from.
For me its been like this so far:
1. Over chan 1: Hia guys where you basing out of today?
2. no response
3. Ok Ill fly a patrol and see if there is someone who needs my help.
4. No response and no result from my patrols
5. Log of and either play in the MA or go play Jumpgate.
So what I mean is that its hard to find people to work with, not necessary find a fight as in a dog fight.
Im one of the people who does enjoy missions, though I do know enough about how gamers work to know that too hardcore realistic is very niche.
While I do enjoy relaism over arcadeish shoot and capture I do enjoy to play with alot of people. I mean realism is nice but when its just 5 planes defending england from 5 german planes in the battle of england one can throw realism out the door, right?
The problem Im having atm is that the MA is toooo far out to the arcade style for me and the CT is too low on numbers.
Maybe what I should be asking for is a change to the MA and letting the CT be hardcore realsim area with a niche following because it has good place.
What I wouldnt mind was if the bish/rook/knight setup just had planes divided between them. So that there would be a difference to beeing a bish, a rook or a knight. For there to be something to be proud of, for there to be something to take pride in achiving. Beeing a really good bish pilot. For there to be some sence of rivalery.
I know its very hard to ballance things when you limmit access and I know you couldnt ballance things by just dividing the nations.
Though with the sheer number of planes available Im pretty sure that if one put his head into it abit one would be able to achive pretty good ballance between the nations. Its always easier to ballance when there are alot of items then just a few because then each side can have something that fits the individual player.
I think the main reason for MA beeing the most popular arena is that players can fly the planes they are good at there. In CT if someone wants to fly a N1K and there isnt a scenario with Japs running they cant fly their favo plane.
Another alternative to dividing up the planes in the MA could be to now and then throw in a map that is more historic and having it be axis vs allies with all the planes in it. So that in the England france map allies could fly all allied planes and axis all axis planes.
While still painfull for the historical nerv it would at least for me be much more fun.
Tex
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Hello Tex,
The CT can be a place of some very intense fight irrespective of the overall numbers you may see when you log on.
The skill level of the average player in the CT is somewhat higher than that of the average MA player.
CT players generally take their gameplay seriously.
I would suggest joining a squad though you will seldom see any vvs set ups. In AHI there was an excellent Fin/Rus map made by Kanttori that was one of my personal favorites where the featured aircraft on the allied side typically were both Yaks and the La5 as well as the occasional Hurri and P40.
Stick around get a feel for the place. Sadly most of the action occurs at around 0300 GMT so it will be tough for you to find game play at 2200 GMT (1700 EST) but I'm usually on at that time as are others.
I'll say Hi if I see you on.
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Keep in mind that the current CT setup has full radar and icons. I can't say I love these settings, but it makes it very easy to find the other guys and fight them.
Has that Baltic map been brought into AH2? That was a great map - I'd love to see it again.
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Oh yes, I understand.
When you log in give the arena a few secs to load up. After you dont get a response on ch1, use your other resources. Look at roster and find out how many are flying on the opposite side. Then look to see where the bar dar is. Do you know what the bar dar is? Each map has its special place for furballers or fighting. On the BoB map, it is always mid the English channel. During the PTO map, currently "The Slot", keep an eye out at the front line fields. Most of the time you will see a small red square in a sector for at least one to two enemy aircraft.
Seldom do I eve log on and ask where the fight is. I use the resources givin by HTC to find the enemy...kinda like in real life.
I can usualy tell whats going on by who is flying. You get use to who does what. You have your dedicated furballers, field attackers and those that find a quiet field to attack. That is what is so sweet about the CT, it has personality.
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Originally posted by Sable
Keep in mind that the current CT setup has full radar and icons. I can't say I love these settings, but it makes it very easy to find the other guys and fight them.
Has that Baltic map been brought into AH2? That was a great map - I'd love to see it again.
Full Radar is misleading.
Mr Fork has it set to what he calls Full Radar. Dots still only show up inside a radar (coverage area) circle. Its just that the coverage area is set to a larger radius in the BoB maps. Even in the Main Arena, there is NO FULL RADAR were you see a dot no matter where it is!!!!!!!!!!!!
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CT is the best you are going to get (except when it is not pto).
I have not flown in the MA in over a year and dont miss it. I dont play much anymore, although I love to play, but if it were the MA I would have quit ages ago.
I use this attitude towards the CT.
If nobody else is there, what the hell is wrong with me? I should be out doing something. At that point if I really want to fly, I just do it, somebody always shows up to shoot me down.
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Euro hours are't real a CT strong point.
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B nice if the CT had its own plane set. That might be a stretch but at least examples of some aircraft you would only see in the CT.
Wanna fly a PBY? Go to the CT... Wanna fly a Swordfish? Go to the CT...
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Well, it's kinda that way already, VW. Not the "exclusively available part" but ... stuff is flown and enjoyed here that just flat doesn't get flown and enjoyed in the MA. Which is my basis for telling players who constantly throw in "well it'll be a hangar queen in the MA" argument into a plane modeling discussion that the fuggin' MA has all it'll ever need already.
Model planes for historical matchups ... period. That's what AHII needs.
Then it'll still be .... wanna enjoy flying a Beaufort or a Swordfish or the I-16? Come to the CT!
p.s. What'll get more pilots to try the CT is HT bumping the CT arena to the top of the selection list for a month and a couple hundred eager beavers click on it instead of the MA and a third of `em go ... "Whoa! Cool!" :D
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Originally posted by TexMurphy
Hia guys.
Im relativly new to the game. I flew 2 weeks 2 years ago, 2 weeks 1 year ago but now Ive come back and actually subscribed.
The reason Ive never subscirbed before is that Im not really fuzzy about the bish/rook/knight setup. For me personally it feels just so wrong to have all planes on all sides.
I mean when I fly my YAK wtf am I shooting at another YAK for and not at that 109 that is flying next to me?
Just doesnt make sence to me.
Im trying to ignore that fact, pretend that everyone around me on my team is flying planes from my nation and since I fly russian planes its not that many enemies in same planes. Im actually considering flying italian planes just to get more imersion of fighting the enemy.
Really CT should be my home. CT is what makes sence to me, my interest in history and combat.
Though the big problem there is just sooo few pilots in the CT. I dont know if its a time zone issue since Im in europe but I never see more then max 20-30 pilots online.
I mean the england france map is soo cool but its so hard to find fights. And when in a great setting like this one has to spend time searching for battles it kills of the imersion of fighting WW2 as well.
It becomes more a "training ground" in a historic setting then AH in a historic setting.
Its such a shame because Id love to fly big scale combat in the CT.
What I wonder is if there has been any consideration put into how to boost the number of players in CT?
Tex
You will find the quality of fighting in the CT is pretty good. Even though the numbers are not all that great, how many guys do you think you can fight at once? I've been flying in here for years and I'm pressing my luck to fight more than 1:1.
Don't be concerned about the numbers, just find the fight and enjoy.
eskimo
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CT needs a He111 so darn bad.
VWE why not make the CT its own game?
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Originally posted by eskimo2
You will find the quality of fighting in the CT is pretty good. Even though the numbers are not all that great, how many guys do you think you can fight at once? I've been flying in here for years and I'm pressing my luck to fight more than 1:1.
Don't be concerned about the numbers, just find the fight and enjoy.
eskimo
He's being somewhat less than forthcoming. He can easily vultch 5 guys in a row :D I've seen him do it!!
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Originally posted by Arlo
p.s. What'll get more pilots to try the CT is HT bumping the CT arena to the top of the selection list for a month and a couple hundred eager beavers click on it instead of the MA and a third of `em go ... "Whoa! Cool!" :D [/B]
:aok
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Funny thing, I was gonna start a thread on just what the heck the difference is between the CT and MA. I see almost no difference with one minor exception and that is that the plane sets are either Allied or Axis. Big Deal! I fly in another WW2 sim (not necessary to mention which) but the realism and immersion level provided by clouds, mist, full terrains and almost no icons is a million times more realistic than the CT. So why did I come back to AH2 after being away for 2 years. Because the flight model is excellent, that's why. The look, feel and perspective of flight in here are much much better than AH1 so I'm going to keep coming back. Now, since I'm on a rant, let me continue. The other night I went into the MA for the first time in weeks. Had a great time because some guy with number name organized a Rook force of about 40 and we musta creamed 7 or 8 Bish bases in a row. That was fun! My 110 was one amazing whoopass machine (I can tell you with absolute certainty that I know 20 Pig pilots in the other sim who would kill for our 110) Then the next night I come into the CT and there is Dover (another thing about my other Sim, it has names and not stupid numbers) firmly in Axis hands. WTF? I'm looking for a nice air battle and half the Axis force of 6 are manning field AAA in Merry Olde Dover WTFF?? C'mon CT guys let's have some cojones here and don't try to draw people in here just to have numbers. Get people in here who want something different than the MA. Turn off the chicken pox radar and learn how to fly a search pattern or bar cap. Tune one vox channel for the side. I bet you guys have no idea just how good HT's vox implementation is, do you? Well, take it from somebody who's got to communicate with TS, it's superb. Report enemy activity on the country vox channel and search the bastages out. Back to the dar issue, I'd even buy a bar to indicate the sector where the enemy is but these stupid little red dots, c'mon? We've got the better flight model and perspective. Put a few clouds in here, give us some mist. Make it so only people who really want to re-enact what real life WW2 combat was like would be comfortable in here otherwise it's just a tiny winny MA.
Off Soap Box, Next Please
The Beeg
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Originally posted by storch
He's being somewhat less than forthcoming. He can easily vultch 5 guys in a row :D I've seen him do it!!
I was refering to an even fight.
Gimme a chance to de-ack a base and get on my perch, well then I'm a real tough guy.
eskimo
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Originally posted by TheBeeg
Funny thing, I was gonna start a thread on just what the heck the difference is between the CT and MA.
Ok ... where's the damn soapbox?! (Arlo steps up on it now)
THE only critical difference between the CT and the MA is supposed to be the 2 sided Axis vs Allies limited plane setup and historical terrains for immersion's sake. Players can fly what they want (or not), drive what they want (or not), fieldgun (or not), be brown water commodores (or not), bomb (or not), furball (or not) ... vulch (or not), HO (or not) ... it's all optional. And it's all part of Aces High. We, as the much smaller Combat Theater segment of the Aces High community, HAVE to consider concessions as well as promote less gamey play ... but not by eliminating options of play already incorporated into AHII. We need to offer something more appealing. That's where mission night comes in. And it doesn't mean we can't come up with spontanious missions every night ... IF we can get MORE participation.
CT staffers have adjusted settings throughout the history of the Combat Theater to appeal to their sense of what is or isn't more immersive. I've enjoyed some of the more realistic settings. But you know what? Those same players you had a blast with in the MA playing "roll over bases" with would crap a brick over the realistic settings you desire.
The CT staff and community has cussed, discussed, rationalized, compromised, terrorized, reversed positions, reversed them again, etcetera ad infintum. We DO want to draw more players. We DO want to make the CT more appealing. And the CT staff recently adjusted settings to that end. Result - we had more MA players come here and enjoy the Combat Theater setups. Setups that don't involve Lalas vs Lalas vs Spits vs Spits vs Ponies vs Ponies vs Nikis vs Nikis over a Martian landscape or planet Uterus.
Ironically, you caught an aspect of something you enjoyed in the MA. That's good. But don't think it's actually a defining moment that captures the essense of the MA 24/7. Nor is it an experience that would make the CT a better place to fly. And your experience with a half dozen players hunkered down in their field guns in the CT isn't the defining moment that describes day to day affairs here.
Back to immersion (which will never be a goal of the MA) - yes ... we want more immersion here. More immersion than is in the MA. But if we take it to extremes that only we few hard corps Combat Theater enthusiasts enjoy we'll not bring in more players. We may even lose some. That's not a good thing for the CT.
We HAVE to find a suitable compromise or the CT may face extinction long before TOD is perfected (in "two weeks" .. if ever).
My greatest fear in AH is the CT server being taken offline due to lack of use. I don't like the prospect. It would most likely be what kills the game for me.
(Arlo steps off soapbox but takes a number just in case)
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Well Arlo,
I feel your pain...I have just about always liked the CT over the MA.....
even tonight I think I had one of the best 1 on 1 dogfights ever outside of the point mongers who thrive on being ranked at the top with no respect for 2 people going at it for 15 or 10 minutes on end....
I was in a P47D11 flying against Redd in a 109 something or nother and we actually duked it out for around what seemed like 10 to 15 minutes
it was the best fight I could remember in months in all of Aces high arenas, with no big kill sorties, no gang banging per say
but the respect of some flyers in the CT isn't there at all......
If a person is mixing it up in a dogfight don't jump in on his or the opponents glory just to rack you up another kill....
ask if someone has it handled or if he might need help or a pick.....don't zoom in and rob either one of the 10 minute fight they had by killing the opponent.
There are some players that have respect and honor for things like this...but what happens numerous times in the MA 24/7 is rolling over into the CT , a year or even 2 ago it was not like this...but it is slipping toward that direction......
in my opinion I would like to see the scoring blocked out until the end of each tour.......that way no one would know who had what so it might relieve them from trying to pick every kill they see.....
better fun for all...ya know!! If not in the MA least hide it for the CT ( hide the scoring) so at the end of each tour the different teams could appreciate their accomplishments more so, also would prob make people fly in the CT more to try harder ( the ones going for score) to be on top at the end of the tour........
just a thought........
I know alot of MA flyers don't care about respect, but in the CT at least try to honor your wingmans skills and his opponent ( <--- is my main complaint)
I want to see the CT prosper and thrive and grow
as for tonight, I saw 2 red dots the whole time I was in there until you came in then they were a few more....
but it isn't much of a fun fight when it is 3 bishops ( allied ) and around 17 to 22 Knights ( axis) and you only seeing 1 or 2 of the overnumbered side actually looking for a fight , with the rest milkrunning........
could be monday nights are an off night in the CT as well I don't know but this is what I saw........
I should clarify that the time 10 to 15 minutes and the 17 to 22 knights is exagerated :)
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Originally posted by Arlo
p.s. What'll get more pilots to try the CT is HT bumping the CT arena to the top of the selection list for a month and a couple hundred eager beavers click on it instead of the MA and a third of `em go ... "Whoa! Cool!" :D
most excellent idea Arlo, maybe alternate them each month at least?
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TC if you can't kill a con in 10 mins you deserve to have it picked.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
TC if you can't kill a con in 10 mins you deserve to have it picked.
ole mighty Skull12 please show me the light my master! I beg of thee! :cool:
I doubt very seriously if you would have lasted 2 revs with him, but hey I am just your average humble flight simmer
You are shane's prodige wannabee am I right? :D
btw how good are you at stall fighting a P47D11loaded 100% fuel against a 109? as in under 120 ias
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TC,
Those numbers are rare in the CT. It's usually numbered in the allied favor.
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yeah Bear actually most times I find the CT self balances itself pretty good when I log in, and maybe the people there had planned a mission and the opposite side showed up late or something........
I have no clue why it was that way, just like Skull12 there pokes his comment in not knowing I had just took off from a base with maybe 3 or 4 k alt and the 109 was a good alt above me.....
its that word you know "ASSUMPTION" it is the mother of all screw ups!
I do recall telling arlo I either didn't or couldn't see the other dots he refered me too, I actually thought everyone on knights was in GV mission mode except for allmetal and Redd........
no biggie........just venting a whee bit :D
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
TC if you can't kill a con in 10 mins you deserve to have it picked.
sorry, but you don't know what you are talking about.
Haven't known TC long at all but he's a fine pilot and, flys a very nice P47 as I found out. Later in the night he deliberately stayed out of a 1 on 1, I was having with someone else , until he was asked to help.
Earlier in the night he and I had gone round and round for a few minutes 1 on 1 - and a spit came in and cherrypicked me. No big deal it's part of the game , neither of us complained or *****ed on ch 1, but it spoiled a good fight , was a shame.
Most people probably don't understand what he's talking about , as there is very little "honor" left in the game these days I think he was maybe hoping CT was a little different due to the small numbers, and I think in many cases that's true. But , some people don't seem to think there is any value or place for "honor" in the arenas , that's fair enough too.
But it's the same as everywhere else in life , it takes all kinds . Makes it even better when you do run into someone occasionally who does think about these things TC
I don't get to spend much time in the CT due to my normal flying hours being at the wrong time, but when I do I usually have a good time, it's way preferable to the MA at 500 people ,
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1. Shane was my teacher. He tauht me some basic's of ACM.
2. D11 vs. 109 is easy. just gety our stall speed lower than him with flaps and get on six then watch him try in vein to get away from you. unless its a G10.
Also there is no need to ask, if they pop off so what support@hitechcreations.com the Fair and long fight might be Found in the DA, but even still that is remote at best.
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Skull you are one of the clueless ones
that about raps it up......
as far as Shane/Oopsy goes he has always been a great instructor and the comment about you being his wannabeelike mike chracter was all in jest.........
I personally have never had any issues or insults toward Shane or from him.........just some fun ribbin each other in the past 7+ years (can't remember exactly how long Oopsy :D )
Redd on the other hand understands
big to ya Redd and the few fights we had against each other were pure delight
Skull12, one thing that stands out is you said Shane taught you, if this is the case you must be new or young to the world of WWII flight Sims this is why you lack the knowledge of understanding the concept of respect and honor of not cherry picking, dropping in on or stealing someone's already engaged battle, also if you had a keen eye you would know if the fella needed help or if he has it under control just by the motions of the way the fight is going
If you think it is that easy, give me a time to meet you in any arena you take off full of fuel in a P47D11 and I fly what ever 109 version you want with me having 1 to 2 k alt advantage and you show me you can take me out so easily as you pointed it out to be.......... and then we will switch the set up and I will fly the D11 and you in the 109 same setup
Shane might have taught you, but that does not make you Shane......
btw...
Also there is no need to ask, if they pop off so what support@hitechcreations.com the Fair and long fight might be Found in the DA, but even still that is remote at best.
what are you talking about in this lil statement? there is no need to ask. ask what? and as for Fair fight, the only true fair fight is a set Duel with both planes as equal as possible....
We are not talking about fair fights here, we are talking about respecting and honoring a countrymens fight verses cherrypopping his opponent just to score an easy kill. It is no different than vulching in my opinion...I see you are to nieve to understand the difference
now with out further ado lets quit hijacking this thread and get back on topic, to getting more people in the CT arena....what ya say ?
my apologies for carrying this lil fest on Tex and others.........
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
I guess what I wanted to say was that during squad nights there is a mission subject. Each side sets out to accomplish a givin task. This task may or may not include dogfighting.
This is all great P6, is this by chance something setup between a number of squads? something maybe similar to Squad Ops like we have on Friday night at 11pm est? except it isn't timed and you are not limited to just 1 life.......or is it done independently by any squad that wants to participate?
I hope I have not mislead anyone in thinking all I want to do in the CT is just as you put it furball or dogfight 1 on 1.
I do enjoy that aspect but I too look for more things to do........
can you elaborate more on this please
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Thursday nights at 10:00 EST is the semi official squad night for a lot of CT squads. We do missions that are many times pre organised. Anybody is welcome to show up and fly, as always. Look for a mission announcement a few days before.
They can't be as structured as the Squad Ops are, because its an arena, and anybody can show up and fly but you will find much more "happening" on thursday nights in the CT. This way we get at least one night a week where the #s come up and we can make it a lot more interesting. Thats the idea.
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TC, there was somewhere a topic on last week's thursday night mission (here (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=128205)).
Back to the topic, the low numbers are definately a problem for us Euro-time squads. But things are starting to look better, last week we had some good nights when there were good fights. Hopefully we'll be seeing some good action for us european pilots too at the CT...
Oh, and Kanttori has the new terrain editor installed, hopefully we'll get some new maps at some point.
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This is not the real WW2, and everyone can be a internet though guy, technically speaking there is no honor on the intardnet. I can't do squat anymore. i was accutally getting good, but then AH came out and i am about as good as a rock at dogfighting. i can never get abot 10 fps in combat, so i just fly bombers, and try to teach my squaddies a thing or 2 about ACM in a Rotte. That is my sole purpose in AH2, because it is all i really *can* do.
that state is the WAAAH you stole my killer ****er, your a studmuffin who has no skills and is a mother ****er. statement i hear so often from people.
Also i find my self fling the orginal Il2 more these days offline. I find it much more fun than AH and i get kills now and then,
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Panzzer, u being euro your nights is like what 4pm est here where I am correct? I will check out the link...ty you to Squire
Skull12,
sorry to hear about your computer woes....we all at 1 time or another go thru that trust me........unless you got a money tree ( some on here do btw )
as for them types of statements, I pay them no attention unless it is rude an obnoxious then if they have to insist on masking vulgarity I find it in my duty as a community member to ask them to clean it up, there is enough long time players who know what is ok and what is down right rude and out of place text or vox it doesn't matter....
I very seldom poke fun at people and when I do I try to do it in a humorous way to get a laugh out of the guy I am ribbin....not saying I have never had words with people in a game but I try to use tact if at all possible.
I'm sure you are a good pile-it and everything is cool between us as far as I am concerned
as for this community , or WB, or any other flight sim there is honor in different degrees, what we should strive to do is enrich our comunity to be the best of the best
This starts with each individual player and how they act toward another........
we can weed out or change the bad seeds and have some nice shiney red apples to pick if we all set forth a commitment to clean it up !
:)
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Panzzer, u being euro your nights is like what 4pm est here where I am correct?
Yes, that's correct. Add 6 to 8 hours to EST to get the time here in Europe. 4pm est would be 11pm Finnish time, 10pm Central European time and 9pm in the UK. Or something like that.. ;)
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Ive thought more on this how to get more players into CT.
There are a few reasons we have low numbers, Ill go through them and then at the end will have a list of ideas I think would help.
First of all realism vs arcade. There will always be more arcade players then players who enjoy hardcore realism. Realism is a niche and arcade is mainstream.
Player egoism. This is a very high factor. "I WANT MY TOY SCREW YOU". Why do you think players always ***** up a storm when something is nerfed even if its for the good of a game or for the survival of the game? Because they cant think outside them selfs. This runs both ways its not unique to MA players or CT players it applies to ALL players.
When you as a new player look at the server list what do you see, what do you pick? You see the words "Main Arena" and the number 300 then you see "Combat Theatre" and 20. For me as a noob I knew right away that Main Arena is where everyone plays because Main means where the people hang out and a high number is just proff of that.
To be honest it all boils down to these 3 issues.
To be able to deal with the first issue of realism vs arcade issue we first need to deal with the player egoism issue. We cant influence other players, we cant change the MA players but we can change our selfs.
Ive heard so many times MA sucks, MA pilots suck, I dont want CT to turn out like MA. But instead ask your self how far are you willing to compromize on the server settings inorder to have a CT with players in it, to have a CT at all in the long run.
I think that the gap between MA and CT is a tad to big atm. Id love it to be bigger but the bigger it is the more niche CT will get and the less players it will have.
After all CT is a server that should give "more WW2 immersion to AH2", right? Not be a "highly realistic WW2 simmulator".
So I think closing the gap between MA and CT has to be done. While closing the ground on the setup one can still make CT more mission based by having more staff assigned missions in the game. This ofcourse by no way beeing forced upon the players since you dont HAVE TO fly the missions.
Next thing. The ONE thing that is bigger then a players egoism is the players desire for new toys.
All new content in AH2 should be added through the CT. CT should have it first and there should be a campaign that has the new content in a way that it makes sence on CT before it hits MA.
More and newer content is always an incentive to play on a server. More maps, more variation in maps and newer content should be the "signum" of CT.
On the issue of the server names and order in which they appear.
The servers should be renamed both of them. Main Arena should not be AHs main server but it should be what it is a arcade option.
Renaming it to "Arcade Arena" will make much more sence. It will be much more informative to new players and players will know what they are getting into.
Atm since Main means just that main the message is that AH2 is MA. This imho shouldnt be necessaryliy true as AH2 should have an arcade game play and a more ww2 inspired game play but none should be main and non should be secondary.
The name Combat Theatre is not a really good name either. I mean Main Arena is a combat theatre as well. Instead useing the word "WW2 Arena" would be much more informative.
Just look at the names.
WW2 Arena and Arcade Arena vs Comat Theatre and Main Arena. Imho much more informative and none showing supperiority over the other.
To boost the numbers a tad more I think the sudgestion to move the WW2 Arena to the top of the server list is a good idea.
So to summerize things.
1. Close the gab in game play between MA and CT, focus on WW2 immersion and not on WW2 simulation.
2. Add new content through the CT server with scenarios specially designed for that new content. Planes, tanks ect.
3. Rename the servers to WW2 Arena and Arcade Arena.
4. Put WW2 Arena on top of the server list.
Tex
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All this time zone stuff makes my head hurt....
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Originally posted by Sable
Keep in mind that the current CT setup has full radar and icons. I can't say I love these settings, but it makes it very easy to find the other guys and fight them.
Has that Baltic map been brought into AH2? That was a great map - I'd love to see it again.
IT has!!
Since when?
I'll check it out.
I think it's great you guys are begining to experiment a little; but I follow the CT forum reasonably closely; and I had no idea you'd gone from "chase the dot" settings. Could you publicize this stuff a little more?
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Originally posted by Seeker
IT has!!
Since when?
I'll check it out.
I think it's great you guys are begining to experiment a little; but I follow the CT forum reasonably closely; and I had no idea you'd gone from "chase the dot" settings. Could you publicize this stuff a little more?
You've never once clicked the CT banner and looked at my site, have you? Advertised it for 2 weeks ... hehe.
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
yeah Bear actually most times I find the CT self balances itself pretty good when I log in, and maybe the people there had planned a mission and the opposite side showed up late or something........
I have no clue why it was that way, just like Skull12 there pokes his comment in not knowing I had just took off from a base with maybe 3 or 4 k alt and the 109 was a good alt above me.....
its that word you know "ASSUMPTION" it is the mother of all screw ups!
I do recall telling arlo I either didn't or couldn't see the other dots he refered me too, I actually thought everyone on knights was in GV mission mode except for allmetal and Redd........
no biggie........just venting a whee bit :D
skull is a numbskull :D He's very athletic, he always jumps to conclusions and flies off handles. Then again he's 12 years old.
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TexMurphy: Althow I agree with the first part of your post stating make the CT settings closer to the main to attract new players.
Your other sugestions on renaming miss a few points of basic goals.
It is not HTC desire to move people from the main to the CT.
Are goal is to provide a service to the widest verarity of people. This includes the main just as much as the CT.
Now as your premmis states most people like the main style of play more than the CT. So why would we change names to somthing that would be less accomidating to the widest range of people. Why would we want to put the most popular arena 2nd on the list to make it slightly less friendly to the bigest group of people? Why would we want to limit the new stuff from the bigest group.
As a CT flyer I can see why you wish our goal was to put more people in the CT, for you anything that puts more people in the CT is a good thing. But we view the CT as an alternative to the main, If the CT staff comes up with things that atracts more people,that is good for both CT flyiers and HTC. But just wanting to push more people to the CT is only good for the CT and not HTC.
HiTech
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Well this current setup definitely seems to be drawing better numbers. We were seeing 10-15 per team for a while last night. I'm not sure if thats due to icons changes, or due to the planes available.
Perhaps there is a better way we could advertise the fact that the CT is using full icons and DAR to the folks in the MA? I get the feeling that there are a lot of people in Seeker's boat who just don't know and would give the CT a try to see if they like the allied/axis setup.
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HiTech and I had talk about increasing the numbers and I'm on board with his view. If we are to increase numbers in the CT, it's just to broaden the gamplay scope of HTC that appeals to players, not to rob them from the MA. That means attracting more players to Aces High and letting all players know what the Combat Theatre is about.
Example 1: A player might get bored of the MA and is thinking about closing his account. He hears about the CT, gives it a whirl and it renews his interest in Aces High.
Example 2: A prospective player has signed up for the two week free account. She likes the historical setups rather than the typical mix of aircraft in the Main Arena.
Example 3: A player signs up because he likes the fact that he can take his favorite ride up in the Main Arena any time, and then when he can, take it up against it's historical opponent in the Combat Theatre.
The Combat Theatre isn't in competition with the Main Arena. It's just a different place to fly.
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Originally posted by storch
skull is a numbskull :D He's very athletic, he always jumps to conclusions and flies off handles. Then again he's 12 years old.
J00 AR3 T3H SM4RT!
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HiTech
Dont get me wrong. Reshuffeling the player base is not a good thing to do.
The reason Im sudgesting a renaming to Arcade and WW2 Arena is to make it more informative to new players.
Im purely looking on my own history with AH.
2 years ago I first found out about the game. Im like woot mmog WW2 flight sim wooot right down my alley.
I sign up for a trial period. Im like "god this flight engine is great but wtf is this bish/rook/kinght setting about, and the maps are just dumb as well". I dont sign up for an extention of my trial account.
1 year ago I come back to try AH out again. I miss WW2 flying in a good physics engine and since I only play online games this is where I go. So once again back in my n1k and enjoying the flight engine but the bish/rook/knight setting just gets to me.
I get told about the combat theatre. On my first visit I wasnt even aware there ws such a thing. Guess Im stoopid for just clicking on the word "Main".
Well it was fun, played on the baltic map and loved it. But there was no players to play with.
I come back this time again and I figured crap Ill give the game a chance even though the faction setup and Ill try to see if I can somehow come up with ideas how to fill up CT.
So Im now subscribing.
Though most people dont come back 3 times. Only reason I have come back 3 times is that there are quite alot of Jumpgate players here who mention the game eveyr now and then. Else Id propably forgotten about it after my first visit.
What Im saying is that you where -><- close to missing my subscription just because the room names wherent informative enough.
I mean this could have happened on more then one occation.
Plus that there might be quite a few players within the MA communicty who would actually play on CT if it had more numbers but dont atm. The risk is that, if players play on a setting that is less down their alley just because its the only real option for them, they are more likely to cancell their acount.
Though I can buy your reasoning on not moving the CT to the top of the list.
Tex
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Originally posted by Sable
Well this current setup definitely seems to be drawing better numbers. We were seeing 10-15 per team for a while last night. I'm not sure if thats due to icons changes, or due to the planes available.
Perhaps there is a better way we could advertise the fact that the CT is using full icons and DAR to the folks in the MA? I get the feeling that there are a lot of people in Seeker's boat who just don't know and would give the CT a try to see if they like the allied/axis setup.
THERE IS NO FULL DAR IN THE CT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I can relate to TexMurphy
Hitech, if I recall correctly did you creat WarBIrds? You dont have to answer that but here is my point:
WarBirds was the first flight sim I ever tried. I just happened to see it included with a joystick I was looking at for my daughter. I purchased the stick just to try the game. When I logged into the game the first thing that caught my attention was the "HISTORIC ARENA" I knew that was for me. That is where I met LOWEJG and JESTER. That was around 6 years sgo. I canceled my account when my computer no longer played the game. The updat WarBirdsIII was too much for my computer. I had to cancel my account. I was then told about AH. I downloaded the game and cam imediatley to the CT. I was told the CT was the same as the HA in WarBirds. When I first started HA is was much like the HA in WarBirds. One reason why was do to the fact that many of the players were ex WBs players. Eventually I got a new computer but thast beside the point.
I fly this sim for the realistic type settings and somewhat Realistic Combat Settings. There is more to combat flying than just going balls to the wall to the nearest furball.
The CT is to be different than the MA in other than just historic plane match ups. If you want to fight "like" planes, go to the MA.
If you want to use your brain for something other than a hat rack, fly the CT. The fight starts from the moment you enter the arena, not just getting on the tail of an enemy aircraft. An arena with these settings is bound to have low numbers. It is not for everyone.
It has been reported on this UBB that some of the most fun has been during thursday night Target for Tonight squad activities. The night starts out with a purpose, a mission. Do what you can to accomplish the mission. Seldom do the missions get accomplished as planed. Things go wrong, things change. Expect the unexpected. Fifteen minutes of bordom followed my five minutes of shear terror followed by death or another fifteen minutes of boardom returning home. I hear about guys actually shaking when they land. Its a game but it can be played in a way that one looses themself in it. You cant do that from "furballing". There is more excitment in finding a planed mission. Trying to think the way the other guys thinks. What are they doing, what would I do? Where would they be if it were me? Damnnn that sounds familure. Anyone can learn how to dogfight. Not just anyone can e a leader in a group effort.
If you are LOOKING for a 1 vs 1 fight, the Dualing Arena needs you not the CT!! Dont come into the CT and fly into a mass of enemy fighters and expect a 1 vs 1 fight. It woun't happen. DOnt come into the CT and brag about how good you are 1 vs 1 and then cry when you get killed by guys that work as a team.
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Hi HT! How many scotch IOU's have I written to date? (heh) Add one more if ya come fly with us this Thursday. :D
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
THERE IS NO FULL DAR IN THE CT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the biggest reason why the CT will have a hard time raising the numbers. If you would here the whines in the MA about dar being down you could understand how important it is. In the CT with no dar it is a long process to find a fight. The CT does not have the numbers to quickly be able to find a fight without dar. The Icon range doesnt help at all. If you can find a compromise to these to issues I bet your numbers would go up. But you CT guys are too stubborn. Just an opinion from someone who flys in the MA who visits the CT from time to time.
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Originally posted by jamusta
This is the biggest reason why the CT will have a hard time raising the numbers. If you would here the whines in the MA about dar being down you could understand how important it is. In the CT with no dar it is a long process to find a fight. The CT does not have the numbers to quickly be able to find a fight without dar. The Icon range doesnt help at all. If you can find a compromise to these to issues I bet your numbers would go up. But you CT guys are too stubborn. Just an opinion from someone who flys in the MA who visits the CT from time to time.
THERE IS NO FULL DOT DAR IN THE MA EITHER!!!! There is basicly no difference in MA dar and CT dar. I just asume HTC close down the CT than to open up a dot dar were you can see dots everywhere. What is soo damnn funny is when I do log into the MA, the dar is always dead from guys bombing the HQ. SO technicly, there is more dar in the CT than MA.
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Originally posted by jamusta
This is the biggest reason why the CT will have a hard time raising the numbers. If you would here the whines in the MA about dar being down you could understand how important it is. In the CT with no dar it is a long process to find a fight. The CT does not have the numbers to quickly be able to find a fight without dar. The Icon range doesnt help at all. If you can find a compromise to these to issues I bet your numbers would go up. But you CT guys are too stubborn. Just an opinion from someone who flys in the MA who visits the CT from time to time.
If you go into the CT and look on the clipboard it will show you every plane in flight as long as it is within radar range of a base. But on the current map the base range is much greater then it normally is in the MA, so you can basically see everyone everywhere (unless they are taking a tour of the North Sea). Dar in the CT is basically BETTER then it is in the MA.
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I think jamusta just unintentionally brought up an interesting point. If full dar was a component of the CT 24/7 (which I apparently mistakenly thought it was now) would a percentage of the MA players it attracts be dedicated HQ porkers? If so, what's worse, reduced historical dar settings 100% of the time or dar porked out entirely 80% of the time?
I'm flexible. Set the CT dar and dot to MA norm. The crutch is universal. I'll pretend WWII had global positioning. But if there's regular whining in the MA about dar being porked all the time, you'd think limited dar that doesn't generally get porked in the CT would be something attractive. ;)
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Originally posted by Sable
If you go into the CT and look on the clipboard it will show you every plane in flight as long as it is within radar range of a base. But on the current map the base range is much greater then it normally is in the MA, so you can basically see everyone everywhere (unless they are taking a tour of the North Sea). Dar in the CT is basically BETTER then it is in the MA.
Heh ... go figure. Seems visits to the stubborn filled CT may be suffering from prejudiced eyesight of the occasional MA visitor. (Yeah .. ok ... we HAVE made adjustments to appease the masses after all. Glad it wasn't just my imagination.) :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
(Yeah .. ok ... we HAVE made adjustments to appease the masses after all. Glad it wasn't just my imagination.) :D
That's what I'm saying. I don't think anyone realises that these changes were made, and we'd probably have a lot of people interested in trying it out if they knew.
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I have not really been tracking what the settings are for dar. I have not flown in the CT for a few weeks. If the dar has changed it must have been recently changed. I dont think you have to worry about HQ porkers. I try to give you my opinon on the CT. I like the CT and what it stands for. I just hate trying to find a fight or chasing a con only to find out its friendly. I have other issues with the CT but thats for another thread.
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Originally posted by Sable
That's what I'm saying. I don't think anyone realises that these changes were made, and we'd probably have a lot of people interested in trying it out if they knew.
Did mah best bro. I made the banner link to the CT website to advert any and everything the entire AH community may be interested in regarding the CT. I even took to starting "This week in the Combat Theater" threads but the feedback was either positive posts from players already flying there or negative ones from players citing reasons for not flying that revealed they didn't even actually bother reading the details of my post or the website.
Hehe ... I've come to a conclusion that many made up their minds long ago and there's absolutely nothing can be done to get them to change their opinions. :D
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
THERE IS NO FULL DOT DAR IN THE MA EITHER!!!! There is basicly no difference in MA dar and CT dar. I just asume HTC close down the CT than to open up a dot dar were you can see dots everywhere. What is soo damnn funny is when I do log into the MA, the dar is always dead from guys bombing the HQ. SO technicly, there is more dar in the CT than MA.
Full dar to me means dar bar and all. What does it mean to you? Full dot dar is not needed, just point me in the right direction. Losing dar in the Ma is not that big of a deal to me since I can up from a frontline field and find a fight. If there are only 20 people in the arena then there would be difficulty finding a fight.
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Originally posted by jamusta
I have other issues with the CT but thats for another thread.
No it isn't. Address them here.
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Originally posted by jamusta
Full dar to me means dar bar and all. What does it mean to you? Full dot dar is not needed, just point me in the right direction. Losing dar in the Ma is not that big of a deal to me since I can up from a frontline field and find a fight. If there are only 20 people in the arena then there would be difficulty finding a fight.
This has always been somewhat of a curiousity to me. I've never once ... not once ... had a hard time finding where the fight was in the Ct under any of the settings that have been tried there.
Not once.
Well .... except when there wasn't one to be found (IE: Everyone on the other side was hanging out in a tower doing .... something.
:D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Did mah best bro. I made the banner link to the CT website to advert any and everything the entire AH community may be interested in regarding the CT. I even took to starting "This week in the Combat Theater" threads but the feedback was either positive posts from players already flying there or negative ones from players citing reasons for not flying that revealed they didn't even actually bother reading the details of my post or the website.
Hehe ... I've come to a conclusion that many made up their minds long ago and there's absolutely nothing can be done to get them to change their opinions. :D
The CT has been set in its ways so most dont think you guys are trying to make changes to bring up the numbers. Advertising is in order. Not here on the BBS but in the MA. Most players dont visit here. I would be more than willing to bring my squad in to fly but when we are on the numbers are really low. Although I am not a die hard CTer I dont want to see it go either. It adds another demension to the game when I get tired of the MA.
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Originally posted by Arlo
No it isn't. Address them here.
Well there have been times I really enjoyed the CT then there have been times I hated it. I come in the CT to escape the gamey MA when it frustrates me. Alot of times I come in the CT to find the same gamey tactics. I have seen vets not change sides to balance numbers. There is still the ganging, running, ack hiding milkrunning, parking the ships off shore and the cherrypicking. I dont mind getting picked off in a furball but there have been multiple times when I have been low and slow truning 1v1 just to have the fight interrupted. I expect these things in the MA but to go to the CT and see this is very dissapointing.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
THERE IS NO FULL DOT DAR IN THE MA EITHER!!!! There is basicly no difference in MA dar and CT dar. I just asume HTC close down the CT than to open up a dot dar were you can see dots everywhere. What is soo damnn funny is when I do log into the MA, the dar is always dead from guys bombing the HQ. SO technicly, there is more dar in the CT than MA.
CurtissP: It'this basic idea of why the CT has lower numbers than it could have. Not the radar setting in paticular. But the all or nothing thought proccess. Go back and read my suggestion & goal post in the CT Staff forum.
You have your idea of the perfect CT, other people have theres, what needs to happen for the CT to increase it's numbers is find the one idea that everyone has in common about the CT. (IMO it is different planes for different sides)
Implement that, and everything else just make it apeal to the LARGEST cross section. It is the not willing to give on the small things that limits the numbers most.
HiTech
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Detail fixation is the biggest enemy.
There is no one change that will change the online numbers.
Its a series of changes that all follow a vision.
Its that vision that has to be decided first.
Should it be:
A) A server with WW2 immersion
B) Hard core sim server
C) MA in WW2 setting
First when that is decided one can move on and discuss details how to achive the said vision.
Im not sure of what the current one is and in what direction things are moving but one thing is sure since the numbers are as low as when I was here a year ago things just arnt happening atm.
Tex
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as far as things happening atm....least we not forget that Fall is right around the corner, and with Fall comes more people online more often...........Winter gets here it gets even better :)
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Hi HT! How many scotch IOU's have I written to date? (heh) Add one more if ya come fly with us this Thursday.
Sure... as long as he is on the Allies side, that way when ya'll get smacked down with the big hand of God again, ya'll won't whine as much about the missmatched aircraft cause you had the creator on your side. :rofl
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Originally posted by hitech
CurtissP: It'this basic idea of why the CT has lower numbers than it could have. Not the radar setting in paticular. But the all or nothing thought proccess. Go back and read my suggestion & goal post in the CT Staff forum.
You have your idea of the perfect CT, other people have theres, what needs to happen for the CT to increase it's numbers is find the one idea that everyone has in common about the CT. (IMO it is different planes for different sides)
Implement that, and everything else just make it apeal to the LARGEST cross section. It is the not willing to give on the small things that limits the numbers most.
HiTech
I guess what I should have said is that if the CT litteraly becomes a mini MA then I will leave. I dont like the MA. So you are correct in a way. Right now there are things we like and dislike. Push the ballance over the edge and something will collapse be it the arena or the players. In this case, I will collapse. Right now we have about 20 dedicated players. Change the settings and you might get 20 more but loose the 20 already here. Therefore, I fight for the settings that will keep me here.
BTW, I cant get into the CT staff forum.
Arlo made a point. MA guys complain about "FULL" radar but yet to counter it, HQ is always DEAD leaving NO RADAR at all. At least in the CT, HQs are usually left alone. I have always wanted maned ack on top of HQ but it gets ignored. HQ is less defended than airfields.
The PTO maps have limited radar areas while the BoB maps have many radars with areas that cover two grids. If the is a fight on the map, I have no problem finding it. These guys wont use thiere heads to THINK and therefore "finding" the fight. They want it all HANDED to them.
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um the CT is already a minima with out the planset the ma has.
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So since we're talking about WW2 immersion, here's another question. Do people need to be able to capture fields all the time?
Our last two setups have been '41 and '43 ETO and there wasn't any base capture going on during either period. Do we really need to let the Germans capture dover, or the Brits take Calais? I agree with TheBeeg's statement above that those kind of things hurt immersion.
On the other hand, is the field capture dynamic of the game a "make or break" option for players in the CT? Will people stop playing in the CT if they can't capture a base?
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Originally posted by Sable
So since we're talking about WW2 immersion, here's another question. Do people need to be able to capture fields all the time?
Our last two setups have been '41 and '43 ETO and there wasn't any base capture going on during either period. Do we really need to let the Germans capture dover, or the Brits take Calais? I agree with TheBeeg's statement above that those kind of things hurt immersion.
Id say no it doesnt hurt immersion, it hurts realism feeling. These are two very different things.
Immersion is flying in a WW2 setting. Realism is recrating the actual scenario.
Immersion is flying English vs Germans over the english channel in roughly the era planes, meaning some planes that actually where not there can be. Why can it be so? Because its immersion and not realism. Sure it will hurt the immersion of the educated historian, but for that person only realism can create immersion.
Tex
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
I guess what I should have said is that if the CT litteraly becomes a mini MA then I will leave. I dont like the MA. So you are correct in a way. Right now there are things we like and dislike. Push the ballance over the edge and something will collapse be it the arena or the players. In this case, I will collapse. Right now we have about 20 dedicated players. Change the settings and you might get 20 more but loose the 20 already here. Therefore, I fight for the settings that will keep me here.
BTW, I cant get into the CT staff forum.
Arlo made a point. MA guys complain about "FULL" radar but yet to counter it, HQ is always DEAD leaving NO RADAR at all. At least in the CT, HQs are usually left alone. I have always wanted maned ack on top of HQ but it gets ignored. HQ is less defended than airfields.
The PTO maps have limited radar areas while the BoB maps have many radars with areas that cover two grids. If the is a fight on the map, I have no problem finding it. These guys wont use thiere heads to THINK and therefore "finding" the fight. They want it all HANDED to them.
Once again no one is trying to turn this into a minin MA it is a mini MA. If you read my post you would see why losing dar isnt a real issue in the MA. THE CT DOES NOT HAVE THE NUMBERS TO NOT HAVE DAR!!!!! The set ups in the CT are great I just dont want to waste 30 minutes to find a fight. So I will check it out tonight and if it is as they say then I would ask the squad if they want to come into the CT for ops nights or whatever.
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Current CT setting for DAR (and has been for past two weeks) is FULL RADAR. FULL - EVERYTHING. Unless the pilot wants to fly below dar as NOE, if he's above the height, he should appear on dar.
Point#2 - full friendly has been enabled for almost a year now. You see your friendly pilots all the time. If you see a bee-hive of friendlies, maybe, just maybe there might be enemy forces close by.:D
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Point#2 - full friendly has been enabled for almost a year now. You see your friendly pilots all the time. If you see a bee-hive of friendlies, maybe, just maybe there might be enemy forces close by.
Nooooo!! Really? Oh man... next sortie I'll look for that! Thanks ol' wise one.
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Also i find my self fling the orginal Il2 more these days offline. I find it much more fun than AH and i get kills now and then,
Arent you back in school yet?
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
Point#2 - full friendly has been enabled for almost a year now. You see your friendly pilots all the time. If you see a bee-hive of friendlies, maybe, just maybe there might be enemy forces close by.:D
Tried that was close to enemy field. Only one problem, friendlies were ganging 4 to 1 already so no fun there. I didnt want to make it 5 on 1.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Also i find my self fling the orginal Il2 more these days offline. I find it much more fun than AH and i get kills now and then,
Arent you back in school yet?
No we get til next week after labour day.
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Good to know some still go back in Sept. They have all been back for a few weeks here.
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Originally posted by jamusta
Alot of times I come in the CT to find the same gamey tactics. I have seen vets not change sides to balance numbers. There is still the ganging, running, ack hiding milkrunning, parking the ships off shore and the cherrypicking. I dont mind getting picked off in a furball but there have been multiple times when I have been low and slow truning 1v1 just to have the fight interrupted. I expect these things in the MA but to go to the CT and see this is very dissapointing.
People in the CT switch all the time to balance numbers. When you get F4Us in a Pacific setting once in a "blue moon" (ptp) and your squadron full of VF-17 "Jolly Roger" fanatics starts getting a reputation for being pretty good Zeke drivers that should say something.
As far as the rest is concerned ... why should it keep you from flying in the CT? Not only is it pretty much an integral part of Aces High by design, if it's already practiced in the MA then there's absolutely no reason for it to be a disappointment in the CT.
Don't get me wrong ... everyone enjoys a good 1v1 fight. But to expect it in any arena other than the dueling one isn't a realistic expectation.
Now .... I'll say this. I have pilots on both sides ask me if I have a fight under control or if I would like help all the time in the CT. It happens alot. More than in the MA. Granted, my answer is generally the same no matter if I think I've got the fight won or not. Hop on in. If I see two guys going at it, occasionally I'll ask ... sometimes I won't. Sometimes I'll see an ally smoking and I come in to play cavalry. Sometimes I pull it off. Sometimes it ends up making me someone's second kill. But saving another pilot who's in trouble on your side is also part of what alot of players in this game find fun .... both in the MA and the CT. Using any means neccesary to get yourself out of trouble is also fine.
And it's a common enough practice throughout the AH community for it not to be a valid reason for players not wanting to fly in the CT. Granted, you said it's what turns you off, personally. And even others have mentioned it. But it's never been a very realistic expectation in my opinion, so to make it a reason to not fly in the Combat Theater just comes off as an excuse that bears little merit to me.
Milk running ... fleet parking ... again - integral parts of Aces High that cannot be stopped short of disabling fleets and bombers - actually - make that ordinance in general. Not a realistic gripe and not a valid reason to prefer the MA over the CT.
None of that was ever .... ever .... supposed to be the defining differences between the two arenas. The game will be played the way it was designed to be played.
BUT! You have a greater chance of asking players to stop doing certain activities you personally find disgusting and getting them to cooperate with you in the CT then you ever will in the MA. No .... not 100% chance .... but significantly greater than in resetopia.
So ... I don't find actual substance in your argument. I'm sorry. Still, I'm glad you aired it.
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We even have one squad who's entire mission (besides having fun) is to switch to even sides.
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Originally posted by Grits
We even have one squad who's entire mission (besides having fun) is to switch to even sides.
make that *two*
:aok
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Originally posted by Sable
So since we're talking about WW2 immersion, here's another question. Do people need to be able to capture fields all the time?
Our last two setups have been '41 and '43 ETO and there wasn't any base capture going on during either period. Do we really need to let the Germans capture dover, or the Brits take Calais? I agree with TheBeeg's statement above that those kind of things hurt immersion.
On the other hand, is the field capture dynamic of the game a "make or break" option for players in the CT? Will people stop playing in the CT if they can't capture a base?
Yet another area I have been whinning about for a long time. Base capture really has no place in the CT but there really is nothing wrong with it. The problem lies in the fact that the CT usualy has the theme for the week. There should be maps where field captures are a part of the theme. There has always been a problem with guys capturing bases in England. Again, there really is not much of a problem with it if the CT Staff would reset the arena for prime time playing. You dont see the CT staff much.
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Originally posted by jamusta
Once again no one is trying to turn this into a minin MA it is a mini MA. If you read my post you would see why losing dar isnt a real issue in the MA. THE CT DOES NOT HAVE THE NUMBERS TO NOT HAVE DAR!!!!! The set ups in the CT are great I just dont want to waste 30 minutes to find a fight. So I will check it out tonight and if it is as they say then I would ask the squad if they want to come into the CT for ops nights or whatever.
If it takes you 30 minutes to find a fight, you dont need to be in the CT. Use your head and think, you WILL find a fight. If you cant find a fight, there is not one there to be had!
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
Current CT setting for DAR (and has been for past two weeks) is FULL RADAR. FULL - EVERYTHING. Unless the pilot wants to fly below dar as NOE, if he's above the height, he should appear on dar.
Point#2 - full friendly has been enabled for almost a year now. You see your friendly pilots all the time. If you see a bee-hive of friendlies, maybe, just maybe there might be enemy forces close by.:D
Here is an example of using your head...DUH!!!! Think damnnit think!
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Originally posted by jamusta
Tried that was close to enemy field. Only one problem, friendlies were ganging 4 to 1 already so no fun there. I didnt want to make it 5 on 1.
Another example of using your head. This guy takes off from a field somewere, find out where and go to him, I asure you he will thank you for it! You might get lucky and get four to one odds in thier favor!
Dont be a 2D pilot in a 3D flight sim "Stream14"
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My ideal CT arena is what I perceive the new game which as I recall was to be named Tour of Duty. What's up with that?
I've returned to AH2 after being absent for two years during which I slowly rose to the rank of Oberst in what I consider to be another excellent Sim #2. Unfortunately I guess I got a bit bored with the yellow nosed Emil and the occassional Franz that only came around when the brass hats in the OberKommando der WTF? became willing to take away some tanks from the flat feet infantry and armor types. I'm glad I did because I love the "look and feel" of the new flight model and the CT Arena.
My ideal CT would use the great new FM from Aces High II, sim #2's 3D Terrain (Jeezus I laugh at the trees in here but they don't drain fps much do they?), AH's vox system which you ungrateful swine have no idea how superior it is to anything else out there, a historically based rolling plane set like Sim #3, Military Structure like Sim #2 but I would add virtual firing squads for anyone who didn't follow orders or yelled "there's the MOFO instead of "Indianer, Indianer" or "Tally-Ho", lifelong enlistment in one side or the other with appropriate tatooing, a realistic environment where you don't watermelon chat with the enemy you just kill 'em all and let God sort them out, skies that look like the real sky does not CAVU (Ceiling and Visibility Unlimited), strictly Allies vs. Axis plane set and consequently no icons or an icon system like Sim #2 which fades in and out. This is lost on most but to anyone who has spent any time in the real sky it is immediately recognizable as realistically simulating the way the human eye works in the 3D environment that the sky presents. What's with the measles radar? Lose it or at least do it like Sim #3 where you can only see it while in the tower or being forgiving just bar dar. My take is to make things as immersive as possible from a re-enacting perspective so while I'm spending 3 times as much as anyone else by actively flying 3 sims and 1 beta, I'm diligently putting all these impressions together into a comprehensive review which I will be publishing in a couple of months. My review will rate every single feature I consider to be either enhancing or detracting from re-enacting play side by side. I'm not concerned with the probervial Spit vs. 109 debate because from my perspective as a retired CFI, these are games and not real flight simulators. What's important is how real does it "look" and how does it make you "feel"? Believe me it's gonna be the Mother of all Flight Sim Reviews.
The bottom line is that as a subscriber, my miserly monthly contribution isn't going to make any of the producers of the 3 different sims I'm presently involved in change their business plan. So I'll continue spending as much as I need to get my fixes where I can. In the meantime, I might just be willing to throw a few hundred grand at a producer willing to put together my ideal private sim which I would graciously let you into for $30.00 a month.
TheBeeg
P.S. Where can I buy PowerBall tickets :lol
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Is there generally more aggro in the CT over the radio ? I 've had 2 stoushes in 2 days , and I never fight over the radio in the MA ..never.
Does the axis/allies thing cause more disparity/aggression between the sides, or did I just strike a bad time ?
Maybe it's the plane match-ups that cause it I guess. Both of these were guys in a particular plane telling me how and when and whether I should fight it on their terms.
I have found it more hostile in that way than the MA, no biggie , but interesting.
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I'm guessing (witout names) that it was probably some casual MAer's who popped in to the CT looking for more action that could be found in the MA.
The normal CT regulars are pretty meek and mild-mannered overall.
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There are a couple of grumpy CT regulars on both sides, but most of their venom is spit at their favorite target on the other side, and not usually at non-CT regulars.
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Arlo those point holds merit in my opinon for one reason...numbers.. In the MA everything but the ganging that I dont like in the CT is balanced out by numbers. In the MA i can always find a fight no matter what a group of people do.
So today I go into the CT to check out the action. 1st complete dot dar over enemy fields is too much. In my opinion just over friendly fields is good enough. AT the time there were about 15 players on. BUT since there is dar I found fights. Some good fights even tho I got shot down a bunch. Numbers werent balanced so I switched. Just to find out that there were no bish flying. While I was flying for bish I noticed a field being captured. Bish were capturing undefended fields. So I asked why do that? Why not capture the field that the enemy ups from? As usual you get negative feedback. With just 15 people on and 6 of the 8 bish milkrunning how fun is that. When numbers got to be around 40 it became more fun to be in there. Unfortunately I had a spit run from my 110 all the way to his higher budies. I had to log after that. Had great fights with Redd and Inyo.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Yet another area I have been whinning about for a long time. Base capture really has no place in the CT but there really is nothing wrong with it. The problem lies in the fact that the CT usualy has the theme for the week. There should be maps where field captures are a part of the theme. There has always been a problem with guys capturing bases in England. Again, there really is not much of a problem with it if the CT Staff would reset the arena for prime time playing. You dont see the CT staff much.
Exactly. Let everyone do what they want and reset the arena regularly.:aok
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Originally posted by jamusta
Arlo those point holds merit in my opinon for one reason...numbers.. In the MA everything but the ganging that I dont like in the CT is balanced out by numbers. In the MA i can always find a fight no matter what a group of people do.
So today I go into the CT to check out the action. 1st complete dot dar over enemy fields is too much. In my opinion just over friendly fields is good enough. AT the time there were about 15 players on. BUT since there is dar I found fights. Some good fights even tho I got shot down a bunch. Numbers werent balanced so I switched. Just to find out that there were no bish flying. While I was flying for bish I noticed a field being captured. Bish were capturing undefended fields. So I asked why do that? Why not capture the field that the enemy ups from? As usual you get negative feedback. With just 15 people on and 6 of the 8 bish milkrunning how fun is that. When numbers got to be around 40 it became more fun to be in there. Unfortunately I had a spit run from my 110 all the way to his higher budies. I had to log after that. Had great fights with Redd and Inyo.
Sorry it turned out that way for ya, musta. Tell ya what. Come fly the Thursday missions with us and see if that isn't more fun for ya. If it ain't ... I'll refund your CT tollgatefee ... but not the MA one. ;)
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I have supported the CT in the hopes that it would one day become so enjoyable that everyone would want to spend there time there. Now it's has one less player and i could care less what happens to it. HTC use the space to expand the MA that will make you more money. :mad:
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Originally posted by hitech
CurtissP: It'this basic idea of why the CT has lower numbers than it could have. Not the radar setting in paticular. But the all or nothing thought proccess. Go back and read my suggestion & goal post in the CT Staff forum.
You have your idea of the perfect CT, other people have theres, what needs to happen for the CT to increase it's numbers is find the one idea that everyone has in common about the CT. (IMO it is different planes for different sides)
Implement that, and everything else just make it apeal to the LARGEST cross section. It is the not willing to give on the small things that limits the numbers most.
HiTech
That's exactly right. Many times many players have asked for this or that airplane to be represented (F4U-4 CHog, Ta 152, Me 163 110 in Japanese planeset etc ad infinitum ad nauseum) by more than just one player and the CT Staff in their infinite wisdom reject the idea. The result then becomes predictable, low numbers. The CT should never sacrifice game play for exact historical accuracy until every conceivable aircraft available in a scenario is modelled. Just my opinion of course but I would have long ago allowed the 190A5 as a substitution for the Ki84 in every mid-late Pac set up and the hog would be present in every Pac set up from late '42 on. I would further render the puffy ack harmless. No way that 88's would engage fighters at all let alone 1sys or 2 sys.
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I just gotta say that those MA three sided wars are not for me... and the CT has always been my venue in AH, and warpbirds.... ;)
Taking the CT away, IMHO, would be a death knell for AH, to all us grognards of air combat. Sure we'd still have the special events, but here again, those are not everyone's cuppa...
Couldn't hurt to try and swap the MA to CT positions on selection screen once a week, or month even.
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The last 2 times i went to the CT i was treated verry unfriendly.
Maybe its just me, but i had the feeling to be unwanted and disturbing them so i left again. Like a small group of players that have THEIR arena, wondering why so few people online.
ciao schutt
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Originally posted by Redd
Is there generally more aggro in the CT over the radio ? I 've had 2 stoushes in 2 days , and I never fight over the radio in the MA ..never.
Does the axis/allies thing cause more disparity/aggression between the sides, or did I just strike a bad time ?
Maybe it's the plane match-ups that cause it I guess. Both of these were guys in a particular plane telling me how and when and whether I should fight it on their terms.
I have found it more hostile in that way than the MA, no biggie , but interesting.
That is the bigest problem in the CT. Guys wanting to dual it out like they were at the OK Carral! Thats what thw DA is for!
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Originally posted by jamusta
Arlo those point holds merit in my opinon for one reason...numbers.. In the MA everything but the ganging that I dont like in the CT is balanced out by numbers. In the MA i can always find a fight no matter what a group of people do.
So today I go into the CT to check out the action. 1st complete dot dar over enemy fields is too much. In my opinion just over friendly fields is good enough. AT the time there were about 15 players on. BUT since there is dar I found fights. Some good fights even tho I got shot down a bunch. Numbers werent balanced so I switched. Just to find out that there were no bish flying. While I was flying for bish I noticed a field being captured. Bish were capturing undefended fields. So I asked why do that? Why not capture the field that the enemy ups from? As usual you get negative feedback. With just 15 people on and 6 of the 8 bish milkrunning how fun is that. When numbers got to be around 40 it became more fun to be in there. Unfortunately I had a spit run from my 110 all the way to his higher budies. I had to log after that. Had great fights with Redd and Inyo.
So what you are saying is that when you are logged into the CT all players must stop what they are doing and come find you in a fighter? We hear the same thing over and over again. If all you MA guys would come into the CT at the same time, the numbers would be high. There are many MAers who say they check numbers then leave. Well, if the 50 players would all come in a stay for a while, there would be 50 players. If all 50 player just look and leave, then there are no players. Duh!
Come in on Thursday nights at 10pm eastern time. Someone has to LEAD the way. Most MAers dont wont to lead, they just want to follow. Be a leader, log into the CT and stay for a while. If everyone did this, sooner or later the CT would always be active.
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Originally posted by memnon
I have supported the CT in the hopes that it would one day become so enjoyable that everyone would want to spend there time there. Now it's has one less player and i could care less what happens to it. HTC use the space to expand the MA that will make you more money. :mad:
What in the fargin' world is goin' on here? What have you done with Memnon?
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Originally posted by jamusta
So today I go into the CT to check out the action. 1st complete dot dar over enemy fields is too much. In my opinion just over friendly fields is good enough. AT the time there were about 15 players on. BUT since there is dar I found fights.
The extensive DAR coverage on this map is due to it being the BoB scenario map with greatly enhanced field radar radii. Open your map, right click and lcik on radar and look at the mess of overlapping and large radar coverages.
The distance base radar functions is entirely an arena setting. the CT staff(er) running this can reduce it back to "MA norms" which is about 10 miles. Why the current settings were left I cannot presume to know the motives of the CT staffer responsible.
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Originally posted by Schutt
The last 2 times i went to the CT i was treated verry unfriendly.
Maybe its just me, but i had the feeling to be unwanted and disturbing them so i left again. Like a small group of players that have THEIR arena, wondering why so few people online.
ciao schutt
Try Thursday night at 10 pm Eastern when all the real regulars are there. Let's see if that doesn't make a significant difference then we can compare notes and figure out what caused the difference. :)
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Originally posted by Schutt
The last 2 times i went to the CT i was treated verry unfriendly.[/b]
perhaps when he says "unfriendly" he was referring to the fact over 3 months with very little time in CT ( 90 mins of fighter time, 0 kills, 17 sorties) he has 14 deaths and 1 bail?
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That would fit my definition too.
(storch, being shot down 15 times to zilch would seem unfriendly. not wrong or not my fault but...)
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Originally posted by Enkidu
That would fit my definition too.
What would??
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Originally posted by Enkidu
That would fit my definition too.
(storch, being shot down 15 times to zilch would seem unfriendly. not wrong or not my fault but...)
Enkidu, for my part I saw you on for the first time two days ago. I was immediately impressed with your skill and was going to engage you on private but before I could congratulate you, you had logged. Sooooo consider yourself congratulated on a fine performance against three others. Anyone I know would have been shot down under similar circumstances. As to the zilch part I believe you shot down let's see umm, ammmmm errr ME!!!!! I'm sure you went down as well because it was a HO and I didn't see you after that.
The game takes forever to learn and then some to learn well. I've been playing 16 months and still suck tremendously and get frustrated often.
If I see you on again I'll say "Hi" If you want feel free to ask any questions of myself or any of the other regulars I'm sure we would all be glad to help.....as we shoot you down :D Remember it's a silly game and your next plane costs you nothing.
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Originally posted by TheBeeg
Then the next night I come into the CT and there is Dover (another thing about my other Sim, it has names and not stupid numbers) firmly in Axis hands. WTF? I'm looking for a nice air battle and half the Axis force of 6 are manning field AAA in Merry Olde Dover WTFF??
The Beeg
Speaking for myself as a CT Staffer only. If I see something like that I will head to the setup selection in my menus and change ownership of the bases back to the original. All in the name of making it what this arena really is about for you guys...GAMEPLAY!
This arena isn't about only flying this plane or that one its about a segment of the AH population having fun when they have no fun in the MA. On the no name bases well that has been my point of contention with this game for as long as I have been playing it. Along with the silly Knight, Bishop and Rook country names. But then after WB and AW with their silly colors and Cz, etc.. I went to Fighter Ace which had 5 different countries and we all lobbied for an Axis vs. Allies arena over there to have it for a very short time before they pulled the plug on it. Look at it this way also this game company is thousands of percentage points better at customer service that 99% of the other online flight sim games out there.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
So what you are saying is that when you are logged into the CT all players must stop what they are doing and come find you in a fighter? We hear the same thing over and over again. If all you MA guys would come into the CT at the same time, the numbers would be high. There are many MAers who say they check numbers then leave. Well, if the 50 players would all come in a stay for a while, there would be 50 players. If all 50 player just look and leave, then there are no players. Duh!
Come in on Thursday nights at 10pm eastern time. Someone has to LEAD the way. Most MAers dont wont to lead, they just want to follow. Be a leader, log into the CT and stay for a while. If everyone did this, sooner or later the CT would always be active.
Where did I say that they should stop what they are doing? Stop trying to put words in my mouth. I never understood the logic of avoiding a fight. I am experimenting so that I can talk my squad into coming to the CT atleast on Thursday but listening to you and your MAer this MAer that is quite annoying. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN GAME PLAY BETWEEN THE CT AND MA. JUST THE SETTINGS ARE DIFFERENT AND THE NUMBERS. Oh wait I didnt get vulched last night in the CT thats different also.
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Originally posted by Shane
The extensive DAR coverage on this map is due to it being the BoB scenario map with greatly enhanced field radar radii. Open your map, right click and lcik on radar and look at the mess of overlapping and large radar coverages.
The distance base radar functions is entirely an arena setting. the CT staff(er) running this can reduce it back to "MA norms" which is about 10 miles. Why the current settings were left I cannot presume to know the motives of the CT staffer responsible.
The base radar is something we are wanting to check on as a group to see a few of things.
#1 Does it enhance gameplay in a sparesly populated arena?
#2 Does it cause players to congregate within a limited area and not utilize the whole map?
#3 For me does having increased radar coverage give players the opportunity to find fights easier?
For #3 I don't think it helps or hurts but some people like the guy starting this thread I think if he used the resources as suggested he would find the fights easy without the increased radar.
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I'm guessing (witout names) that it was probably some casual MAer's who popped in to the CT looking for more action that could be found in the MA.
Your guess would be correct.
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Originally posted by Reschke
The base radar is something we are wanting to check on as a group to see a few of things.
#1 Does it enhance gameplay in a sparesly populated arena?
it does enhance it. it's just that on the current map the range settings for radar are set 2 or 3 times as far out as MA radar.
that's jasta's double edged point. he felt that while radar coverage was too "overboard" compared to MA ranges, he does appreciate the fact that the increased range (over CT "norms") is helpful.
personally i'd set the radar at MA norms, not special scenario settings.
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What shane said is correct. It help me find the milk runners and others was fun fights also.
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Originally posted by jamusta
Where did I say that they should stop what they are doing? Stop trying to put words in my mouth. I never understood the logic of avoiding a fight. I am experimenting so that I can talk my squad into coming to the CT atleast on Thursday but listening to you and your MAer this MAer that is quite annoying. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN GAME PLAY BETWEEN THE CT AND MA. JUST THE SETTINGS ARE DIFFERENT AND THE NUMBERS. Oh wait I didnt get vulched last night in the CT thats different also.
Why would someone log into the CT and "avoid" a fight? The whole point is to remove the CT from the MA atmosphere. "We" dont want MA settings AT ALL. If I wanted MA settings, I would go to the MA. Stop LOOKING for a fight and go CREATE one! I asure you that if you departa field as a squadron, and head toward an enemy base, you will be met by an opposing force (with or without radar). Come into the CT alone during non peak hors and you will have to hunt a fight. The best way to find a fight is to go fly to a base at low altitude. Someone will come up to meet you. Come in at 20k and you will more than likely remain alone. Look at the raday settings and understand them. Learn how it works and get use to how the CT is played. You want COMBAT, create it for yourself.
These guys are not happy unless they can kill something every sortie. If this is the case, Thursday night might even bore you. Sometimes it can take us 1 1/2 hours to fly one sortie. Sometimes we never pull the trigger. Guys need to stop comming into the CT and wanting things "handed" to them. Go into the CT and think, use your brain, find a fight, create a fight. Look at what info is there and lerarn what is going on. Bring you squad into the CT but dont come in to join the CT. COme in anf create your fights. Dont try to follow other squads. Be creative. PLan a mission for your squad to try and sneak in and attack a field without fighters comming up to meet you. NOt to try and capture but to try to trick, out think, pull off a great sortie. You dont always have to shoot at another aircraft to have fun. The CT AS OF NOW is no different than the MA but yet you try to bring in the MA settings and mentality. Keep the CT separate, different settings different atmosphere, different stratagies other than shoot and be shot!
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I usually fly over Hawk's field and drop a bag of steaming dog poop on the tower porch, that always gets a fight started. :)
On a serious note, I prefer the limited Dar settings and foggy sky, but it is not a deal breaker for me. If we get more victim.....err....participant s from the MA by setting Dar the same as the MA thats just fine with me. I would much rather have 80 people flying the CT with MA Dar settings than 8 with limited settings.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
The CT is to be different than the MA in other than just historic plane match ups. If you want to fight "like" planes, go to the MA.
If you want to use your brain for something other than a hat rack, fly the CT.
It just might be the elitist attitude & comments of some of the few people that populate the CT that keeps others from even wanting to give it a whirl.
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It just might be the elitist attitude & comments of some of the few people that populate the CT that keeps others from even wanting to give it a whirl.
What makes you think its an "elitist attitude"? Because some prefer the CT to MA ? Granted some in the CT look down on the MA but most dont and do fly the MA. I find it hard to belive anyone coming from the MA would be put off by things said on the text buffer.
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Not referring to text buffer...referring to comments on bbs. Elitist might be wrong word...ignorant might work better.
Edit:...I should give it a try to form better opinion though, it has been while since visited CT. Mainly trying to say, my few who make duragatory comments or infer CT flyers are better in any manner...might just turn people away.
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I can only speak for myself on this. In the CT you do a lot more one on one fighting and it forces you to improve your ACM. When I go to the MA those skills are more evident if you go strictly by the stats. My kill ratio and kills per sortie are much higher in the MA then they are in the CT. There are some great sticks in the MA, but a lot of MA pilots don't do a lot of one on one fighting.
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Edit:...I should give it a try to form better opinion though, it has been while since visited CT. Mainly trying to say, my few who make duragatory comments or infer CT flyers are better in any manner...might just turn people away.
Ive seen more than one post of someone coming in to the CT,have a bad experience and write it off. I can imagine walking into one of the blood feuds between some of the "regulars" and not wanting anything to do with. Come by on a thursday night to get a better view of the CT. Dont let one person having a bad night run you off.
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Heck, I've been on when two guys on the same side (Allied or Axis) are at each other's throats. :)
Just ignore them and kill something, thats what I do.
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Originally posted by BigGun
It just might be the elitist attitude & comments of some of the few people that populate the CT that keeps others from even wanting to give it a whirl.
If it keeps out the MA settings, so be it STAY OUT!
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Originally posted by Bear76
I can only speak for myself on this. In the CT you do a lot more one on one fighting and it forces you to improve your ACM. When I go to the MA those skills are more evident if you go strictly by the stats. My kill ratio and kills per sortie are much higher in the MA then they are in the CT. There are some great sticks in the MA, but a lot of MA pilots don't do a lot of one on one fighting.
Bear's comment has merit. The reason, basicly low numbers. Start bringing in higher numbers...hmmmmmmm!
It would be nice to see the CT grow but to grow into another MA?!!
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
If it keeps out the MA settings, so be it STAY OUT!
I think it is safe to say that the majority of the CT regulars dont share this attitude.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
If it keeps out the MA settings, so be it STAY OUT!
CurtissP-6EHawk why be selective cut & paste when quoting, he replyed right after this and said he was gonna check the arena out more......
and he was not refering to the settings but to attitudes like the one you are showing here, as to why the CT might have low numbers.........
some of the full time regular CT flyers act as if HT made this arena for them and them alone, and to hell with everyone else...........then you complain when noone wants to come fly CT........
why not try to be civil and everyone work calmly toward a better plan
instead of slamming everything the infrequent CT flyers have to comment on
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Originally posted by Grits
I think it is safe to say that the majority of the CT regulars dont share this attitude.
I concur
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VoteBug!:aok
I am the light out of this latrine.
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#1 Number balance
The biggest load of crap in the CT. Those of you who switch sides to balance the numbers how many YEARS have you been here. EX: 12 Allies V 3 Axies Total combined years of experience of the Allies (depending on who might be flying on the Allies side for the moment) maybe 3 or 4 years give or take. Total combined years of experience of the Axies 12 or 15 give or take. Now don't give me that Allies have ubber this and ubber that crap because i have seen some of you take an inferior plane and fly it like a high performance jet.
#2 Attitude
Self absorbed (I pay my fifteen bucks i can do whatever I want)
You are so right you can and you do and because of that attitude the CT will never gain anymore numbers. EX: A suggestion was made to have CT Ambassadors (Great idea by the way) and so i set out to try and help the new face's. I helped a few and was ignored by a few and i also watched to see if anyone else would help the new face's but what i say was just so typical of the CT mentallity. I saw countless people enter the CT sit in the tower, or takeoff fly over to the fight be blown away and then be ridiculed by the one who just shot them down that they suck. Shortly there after that person would leave and never come back.
:aok That certainly is the way to get people into the CT.
#3 Help and Training
"What are you crazy i come in here to furball,gang bang,pork,vulch, and milk run i don't have time to talk to someone who is new and might be a potential CT regular".
I know that it is not always possible to teach to take someone aside at there very moment and teach them to be an ACE in one hour but time could be scheduled to explain to that person the basic's at first then move on from there. The CT is entirely different from the MA or at least it was. Those difference's are what need to be explained to new face's along with ACM and tactics.
#4 Base Captures
"Beat the dead horse some more"
This ties in with #1 as far as experience. Some of you are pin point marksman with bombs and manned ack and even fighters. Why should i even try to explain to you people it's going to go in one ear and out the other.
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well, you see... if more people fly in the CT, hawk will have less places to run, altho' conversely he'll have more targets for his field gun.
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CT Ambassadors is a good idea, but it has yet to be put into practice officially and won't be till you........
VoteBug!:aok
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Originally posted by memnon
#1 Number balance
The biggest load of crap in the CT. Those of you who switch sides to balance the numbers how many YEARS have you been here. EX: 12 Allies V 3 Axies Total combined years of experience of the Allies (depending on who might be flying on the Allies side for the moment) maybe 3 or 4 years give or take. Total combined years of experience of the Axies 12 or 15 give or take. Now don't give me that Allies have ubber this and ubber that crap because i have seen some of you take an inferior plane and fly it like a high performance jet.
#2 Attitude
Self absorbed (I pay my fifteen bucks i can do whatever I want)
You are so right you can and you do and because of that attitude the CT will never gain anymore numbers. EX: A suggestion was made to have CT Ambassadors (Great idea by the way) and so i set out to try and help the new face's. I helped a few and was ignored by a few and i also watched to see if anyone else would help the new face's but what i say was just so typical of the CT mentallity. I saw countless people enter the CT sit in the tower, or takeoff fly over to the fight be blown away and then be ridiculed by the one who just shot them down that they suck. Shortly there after that person would leave and never come back.
:aok That certainly is the way to get people into the CT.
#3 Help and Training
"What are you crazy i come in here to furball,gang bang,pork,vulch, and milk run i don't have time to talk to someone who is new and might be a potential CT regular".
I know that it is not always possible to teach to take someone aside at there very moment and teach them to be an ACE in one hour but time could be scheduled to explain to that person the basic's at first then move on from there. The CT is entirely different from the MA or at least it was. Those difference's are what need to be explained to new face's along with ACM and tactics.
#4 Base Captures
"Beat the dead horse some more"
This ties in with #1 as far as experience. Some of you are pin point marksman with bombs and manned ack and even fighters. Why should i even try to explain to you people it's going to go in one ear and out the other.
Memnon it's not our fault you got in the wrong squad :D
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some of the full time regular CT flyers act as if HT made this arena for them and them alone, and to hell with everyone else...........then you complain when noone wants to come fly CT........
How many people have you encountered in the CT that told you "hit the bricks, you're not wanted"?
I have seen on more the one occasion some one come into the CT and start to bash "regulars" or the plane set for no apparent reason. The response usually is " the MA is that way---->" Im not saying it didnt happen which Im sure it did. But I want to know if it was one time or a dozen.
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TC wrote:
some of the full time regular CT flyers act as if HT made this arena for them and them alone, and to hell with everyone else...........then you complain when noone wants to come fly CT........
Slash27 Wrote:
How many people have you encountered in the CT that told you "hit the bricks, you're not wanted"?I have seen on more the one occasion some one come into the CT and start to bash "regulars" or the plane set for no apparent reason. The response usually is " the MA is that way---->" Im not saying it didnt happen which Im sure it did. But I want to know if it was one time or a dozen.
This isn't about anyone bashing another in the arena, Slash...... but I agree SOME MA flyers do bash the CT settings, that goes with out saying. I am talking about the way the CT people slam others when they try to offer an opinion or a suggestion
Please reread what I typed, SOME of the CT regulars....not the majority, not 1/2 , not 1/4 but SOME........and it was directed to CurtissP-6EHawk. as for the attitude toward others that are not regular CT flyers. Me personally , I have never been told I am not wanted or to hit the bricks per say....
but if you check back thru the message board threads you will find a load of indirect suggestions to do so from SOME of the CT regular flyers. and please notice I said indirect, not direct as the following was :
If it keeps out the MA settings, so be it STAY OUT!
and anyhow, I was not refering to what is said in the Arena , I was responding to how SOME of the CT regular flyers respond to non regular CT flyers on these boards.......
one more thing, when someone starts to point this out to others about certian attitudes, why does SOME of the CT regulars start to get defensive about it?
and I stand by my comment and believe it whole heartedly...SOME of the full time regular CT flyers act as if HT made this arena for them and them alone, and to hell with everyone else...........then you complain when noone wants to come fly CT........
But still..as the topic of this thread says, The CT needs more pilots, and I do think so too.......
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Let me explain my attitude. Keep the MA settings in the MA. If you are born in Mexico and want to come to the US for a "Better" life, leave your damn flag in Mexico. You have a new flag to fly now. If you want to live in America, absorb what America has to offer, then become and American. Same with the CT. Come to the CT enjoy what the CT has to offer, or go back to the Bloody MA.
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one more thing, when someone starts to point this out to others about certian attitudes, why does SOME of the CT regulars start to get defensive about it?
I guess Hawk would have to answer that. Hawk feels strongly about what he thinks is best for the CT. His choice of expressing that rubs people wrong at times. I didnt much care for the "STAY OUT" comment and I would guess most CT regulars feel the same. Hawks a good dude, just a bit too intense at times. Its your $15. The CT is as much yours as anyone elses. I hope you and your squad become regular faces in here.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Let me explain my attitude. Keep the MA settings in the MA. If you are born in Mexico and want to come to the US for a "Better" life, leave your damn flag in Mexico. You have a new flag to fly now. If you want to live in America, absorb what America has to offer, then become and American. Same with the CT. Come to the CT enjoy what the CT has to offer, or go back to the Bloody MA.
I like your attitude once you have explained it more clearly, I misinterpeted it.
I will not say anything about the flag part though, everyone is allowed to fly their flag, except me, it is unlawful to fly my confederate flag or have a condederate sticker on my vehicle..but every other type of flag is allowed to be flown in this hypocritical country......
er I meant politically correct country......oops I said I wasn't going to say anything about the flags part
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There you go, Hawk answered:aok
it is unlawful to fly my confederate flag or have a condederate sticker on my vehicle.
What? There is really a law against Confederate flag?
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is here in Jacksonville, Florida we all know florida, it is the united little state/capital of Cuba nowadays hehe....
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Thats insane. Ready for that damn hurricane? Looks like one bad ***** on the way.
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There are Confederate flags and stickers all over the place here in Pensacola, but we are really Alabama, the "real" Florida starts east of Tallahasse. :)
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You still owe me a beer Grits. I was 10 minutes away from you and never saw you:mad:
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
is here in Jacksonville, Florida we all know florida, it is the united little state/capital of Cuba nowadays hehe....
I'm Cuban but this isn't Cuba It's Florida. We just improved parts of it and we're working on the rest. After all it was discovered by Juan Ponce de Leon. We want it back. We will out breed you for it :D
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the cuba remark was al injest storch....every time me and my Ex father in law go out to eat somewhere he has the nerve to call me an yankee because I am orginally from North Carolina, which there you cannot wear a confederate flag shirt to school if your a student, but can have the flag flying or even a bumper sticker of it anyhow
I always reply with well I sure am glad I am not from Lil cuba, and I don't look like castro hehe......:D
I told him I was gonna turn him in for the Saddam Hussein reward money back when they were looking for Saddam too....:D
please don't think I was expressing any ill feelings toward Cuba or the cuban nationality
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Cuban women are HOT.
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Originally posted by Slash27
You still owe me a beer Grits. I was 10 minutes away from you and never saw you:mad:
:D
Yeah...I had a former-wants to be current again-girfriend meltdown on me and it got really ugly.
Of course if I didnt go for the "Bad" girls I'd be OK, but they are so much more fun than the "good" girls. :)
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Originally posted by memnon
#1 Number balance
The biggest load of crap in the CT. Those of you who switch sides to balance the numbers how many YEARS have you been here. EX: 12 Allies V 3 Axies Total combined years of experience of the Allies (depending on who might be flying on the Allies side for the moment) maybe 3 or 4 years give or take. Total combined years of experience of the Axies 12 or 15 give or take. Now don't give me that Allies have ubber this and ubber that crap because i have seen some of you take an inferior plane and fly it like a high performance jet.
#2 Attitude
Self absorbed (I pay my fifteen bucks i can do whatever I want)
You are so right you can and you do and because of that attitude the CT will never gain anymore numbers. EX: A suggestion was made to have CT Ambassadors (Great idea by the way) and so i set out to try and help the new face's. I helped a few and was ignored by a few and i also watched to see if anyone else would help the new face's but what i say was just so typical of the CT mentallity. I saw countless people enter the CT sit in the tower, or takeoff fly over to the fight be blown away and then be ridiculed by the one who just shot them down that they suck. Shortly there after that person would leave and never come back.
:aok That certainly is the way to get people into the CT.
#3 Help and Training
"What are you crazy i come in here to furball,gang bang,pork,vulch, and milk run i don't have time to talk to someone who is new and might be a potential CT regular".
I know that it is not always possible to teach to take someone aside at there very moment and teach them to be an ACE in one hour but time could be scheduled to explain to that person the basic's at first then move on from there. The CT is entirely different from the MA or at least it was. Those difference's are what need to be explained to new face's along with ACM and tactics.
#4 Base Captures
"Beat the dead horse some more"
This ties in with #1 as far as experience. Some of you are pin point marksman with bombs and manned ack and even fighters. Why should i even try to explain to you people it's going to go in one ear and out the other.
I guess by "you people" you're refering to the axis side. Two and a half years ago the CT was a wasteland. There where 3 or 4 allied squads and no axis squads at all. You were lucky to see 10 people in the arena and squad night was the allies chasing Shane, Eagler and a few others around. Lowe and Jester formed a dedicated axis squad so there was someone to fight and the arena would grow. And it did. In those 2 1/2 years the axis was outnumbered 95% of the time. We never had to switch. Now the numbers are fairly even most of the time. There may be an hour or two when it's skewed either way. They usually balance.
Attitudes are not exclusive to one side or the other. If you think they are you're kidding yourself. We're alpha males here. We get mad about stuff and trash talk. If you take it personal, yes, you will get jaded. I get pissed and forget about it. I think most do.
Help and training, well I know I've worked with you in the TA. Grits and Truekill have worked with you too. I've logged a lot of TA time with my squadies and many others that fly here and the MA. Many others here do too.
Base captures, well I don't know what the problem is there. Sometimes people want to do it. Sense of accomplishment? I don't know. As long as the arena can be reset, what's the harm? No one's losing anything. One thing to keep in mind. There are others who come into the arena and just take bases. They aren't regulars. They just come in to pass the time or whatever. I saw some guy trying to pork the neutral bases yesterday morning. He didn't know better.
I learned from my mistake not to "assume" anymore.
Memnon, do what I do when the arena frustrates you. Take a few days away. Trust me bud, it helps.
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Originally posted by Grits
Cuban women are HOT.
Ya, but that won't work in the overall "we're taking over Florida" scheme of things if any were to mate with you. So sorry, no hot cookies for you. try slash he's miffed cus you stood him up. :D
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Originally posted by Bear76
I guess by "you people" you're refering to the axis side. Two and a half years ago the CT was a wasteland. There where 3 or 4 allied squads and no axis squads at all. You were lucky to see 10 people in the arena and squad night was the allies chasing Shane, Eagler and a few others around. Lowe and Jester formed a dedicated axis squad so there was someone to fight and the arena would grow. And it did. In those 2 1/2 years the axis was outnumbered 95% of the time. We never had to switch. Now the numbers are fairly even most of the time. There may be an hour or two when it's skewed either way. They usually balance.
Attitudes are not exclusive to one side or the other. If you think they are you're kidding yourself. We're alpha males here. We get mad about stuff and trash talk. If you take it personal, yes, you will get jaded. I get pissed and forget about it. I think most do.
Help and training, well I know I've worked with you in the TA. Grits and Truekill have worked with you too. I've logged a lot of TA time with my squadies and many others that fly here and the MA. Many others here do too.
Base captures, well I don't know what the problem is there. Sometimes people want to do it. Sense of accomplishment? I don't know. As long as the arena can be reset, what's the harm? No one's losing anything. One thing to keep in mind. There are others who come into the arena and just take bases. They aren't regulars. They just come in to pass the time or whatever. I saw some guy trying to pork the neutral bases yesterday morning. He didn't know better.
I learned from my mistake not to "assume" anymore.
Memnon, do what I do when the arena frustrates you. Take a few days away. Trust me bud, it helps.
Or.....go get laid :D
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Hey, I like the Cubans, they know first hand about Socialism, a Control Economy, and a Facist state and it evils we need more folks in this country who see that danger.
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It is obvious to me when Storch made the following statement:
Hello Tex,
The CT can be a place of some very intense fight irrespective of the overall numbers you may see when you log on.
The skill level of the average player in the CT is somewhat higher than that of the average MA player.
CT players generally take their gameplay seriously.
... indicates that he does not spend much time in the MA.
I used to fly CT exclusively... but honestly.. got tired and bored stiff with the same ole, same ole thing, week after week after week after week.
I have been spending time in the MA.. and let me share with you MR. Storch... there are some incredible pilots and players in MA... that are highly skilled in fighters, bombers as well as ground vehicles.
in fact some are even better than anyone that I have encountered in the CT.
MA is put down because of furballers.. base captures.. and their "arcade shootem up stuff"
Well spend time there and you will see the only difference between the two arenas are:
3 countries instead of 2 (which I do not care for by the way).
and fantasy type maps.. instead of historic and real life type maps..
But believe me.. each country is working hard on trying to "win" the war... by performing missions. Of course you will have a few players... just as in CT.. that all they want to do is up and find a quick fight so they can furball.
I remember time after time in the CT when whiners would whine about taking a base because it would cause them to have to fly further to fight, etc. etc.
CT lost me due to the crap on Ch1 , whiining name calling etc.. and the same old boring crud week after week.
See ya storch come over to MA sometime.
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Eta,
I think you missed the point. The average CT pilot will do better in a one on one because that's what happens more more in the CT. Yea some, I repeat, some MA pilots are awesome. Several of us from the CT formed a MA squad some time ago and when we fly together, we dominate an engagement because we use wingman tactics and ACM.
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Originally posted by Grits
Hey, I like the Cubans, they know first hand about Socialism, a Control Economy, and a Facist state and it evils we need more folks in this country who see that danger.
I like Cubans too, I only sample the female variety and I prefer her raw.
(I heard you don't discriminate though) :D
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You are correct, I dont discriminate, I like any color/race of women. I havent found a flavor yet I didnt like. :)
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I guess by "you people" you're refering to the axis side.
If i did i would have said Axies I mean't eveyone with that statement. I will not single out people it is not my way. Sorry if you thought i was pointing a finger at one side.
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No problem, wasn't sure.