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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: 10001212 on September 07, 2009, 02:30:45 PM
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Bring on the BP Defiant.........best plane in ww2!
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Bring on the BP Defiant.........best plane in ww2!
I dont know, i like to B-29 first on.
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pic please?
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No we really don't need it.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/Boulton_Paul_Defiant.png/800px-Boulton_Paul_Defiant.png)
However keep trying you may come across something we do need. :aok
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Bring on the BP Defiant.........best plane in ww2!
It's allways nice to bring some humour in! LOL! I bet you're right... from the LW perspective, of course! :D
We need this piece of... brilliant engineering like a fish needs a bicycle... :lol
Cheers!
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OMG, why do we need that? it was armed wiht 4 303's. And unless the damage moddle was changed in the 10 mins since I stoped playing, then thats not overwhelming firepower. It was an early war "fighter" that had no forward facing armament. I think the ONLY possible use would be as an ack dragger and as an escort for bomber, but I think that could be better accomplished by having someone bring another bomber.
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If all the planes in AH start flying backwards, thats ur plane
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all we need is a reverse throtle....
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all we need is a reverse throtle....
and alter all our planes for easy back-seat-piloting
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What was it used for? Fighting off the 190s
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The only way it would be effective is if HTC gave it a "Hurricane" ID tag until you were rather close (early on Luftwaffe pilots mistook it for the Hurricane).
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What was it used for? Fighting off the 190s
IIRC the 190's weren't fielded yet when the defiant was called back.
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Thought you meant what Rooks already send down from orbit into B17 missions.
(http://christophervalin.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/defiant-blog2.jpg)
My mistake. :P
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They would certainly be fun for me to shoot at, but I can't see why anyone would want to fly one. It's got the same powerplant as the hurricane, but with the extra weight of a turret and gunner, so it's slower and heavier. It has no guns facing forward, so you'd be manuevering around in the turret trying to get a shot..
Deathtrap.
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This is one of those planes that has a place in scenarios and that's just about it. It would be nothing more than a hanger queen in any of the regular arenas.
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Hell, it wouldn't even be much use in scenarios.
The only plane I can see the Defiant having more practical purpose than is the Ju-52, and at least THAT has nostalgia going for it.
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Hell, it wouldn't even be much use in scenarios.
The only plane I can see the Defiant having more practical purpose than is the Ju-52, and at least THAT has nostalgia going for it.
In early war scenarios it would have a place such as the Battle of France, Battle of Dunkirk, early stages of the BoB and a scenario recreating some or the early Circus raids over the mainland.
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Yes, but there's other aircraft that would be far more useful. The Curtiss Hawk would also be great for BoF and other early ETO setups as well, not to mention its use by the Chinese, Dutch, and Commonwealth forces in the Pacific.
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Yes, but there's other aircraft that would be far more useful. The Curtiss Hawk would also be great for BoF and other early ETO setups as well, not to mention its use by the Chinese, Dutch, and Commonwealth forces in the Pacific.
I don't think Ack-Ack was trying to assign a relative worth to the BP Defiant; only an absolute one.
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Add it for variety, just not sure about seeing myself flying it. Too bad it can't fly backwards!
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I appreciate the icon possibility of tagging it a Hurri until you get close. One interesting possibility: wing it with a Hurri.
Otherwise, we need this turd about as much as we need the Fairey Battle.
I'd rather have a Blackburn Skua or, better yet, a Fairey Fulmar.
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Agreed and even in special events I think it would have limited use. Off the top of my head I think Battle of France and Battle of Britain. I don't believe it was used in other theaters but I could be wrong.
Anyway I personally would rather see the Blenheim and or He 111 for early war scenario use before the Defiant.
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Yes, but there's other aircraft that would be far more useful. The Curtiss Hawk would also be great for BoF and other early ETO setups as well, not to mention its use by the Chinese, Dutch, and Commonwealth forces in the Pacific.
Oh, I agree that there are other planes that are much more useful and needed than the Defiant but it does have a place in scenarios. Honestly, I would like to see it added eventually for that reason but as you mentioned, there are more pressing needs that need to be addressed first.
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Agreed and even in special events I think it would have limited use. Off the top of my head I think Battle of France and Battle of Britain. I don't believe it was used in other theaters but I could be wrong.
Anyway I personally would rather see the Blenheim and or He 111 for early war scenario use before the Defiant.
You can use the same argument for the Defiant as you do with the He 111. As the He 111 was an important player in the early war, so was the Defiant. It was one of those planes that 'held the line' until more modern and effective planes were able to replace it. It was a major part of the Battle of France, Battle of Dunkirk, early days of the BoB and in the early Circus raids.
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Otherwise, we need this turd about as much as we need the Fairey Battle.
I'd rather have a Blackburn Skua or, better yet, a Fairey Fulmar.
Hey, I'm getting scared! Please, in this order: no, no, no, maybe but rather not... please. These are real death traps, my <Salute> to all the poor fellows that HAD to fly them but these models, even in scenarios, would only be lambs to the slaughter... And would add any value to them.
He-111? Yes! Curtiss-Hawk 75? Yes... Morane-Saulnier MS-406? Certainly yes! Dewoitine D-520? Absolutely! Blenheim? Yes... Ju-52? Yes...
Speaking for myself, I would fly one of the damned contraptions in a scenario IF I HAD TO but I would like to have a couple more extra lives than the rest of the chaps...
Cheers,
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For special events I am just looking for planes that were used widely which is why I said He 111. It was used in:
- Polish Campaign
- Norwegian Campaign
- Battle of France
- Battle of Britain
- Yugoslavia / Greece
- Russia
- North Africa
- Iraq
The Blenheim was involved in:
- Battle of France
- Battle of Britain
- Yugoslavia / Greece
- North Africa
- Iraq
- Malaya
- Ceylon / India
- Dutch East Indies
- Finland against the Russians
So nothing against the Defiant and its role, just these two planes can be used in more events than it can. So they are higher up on my wish list.
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This is one of those planes that has a place in scenarios and that's just about it. It would be nothing more than a hanger queen in any of the regular arenas.
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boy I don't want to be stuck in that piece of flying poop over england !!!!
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The Blenheim was involved in:
Invation of Norway and Denmark
Siege of Malta
Dieppe Raid - Operation Jubilee
Invasion of Syria - Operation Exporter
He 111. It was used in
Invation of Norway and Denmark
Siege of Malta
Dieppe Raid - Operation Jubilee
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And of course, the Ki-43 and G4M were heavily involved in virtually EVERY PTO CAMPAIGN from beginning to end of the war.
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And of course, the Ki-43 and G4M were heavily involved in virtually EVERY PTO CAMPAIGN from beginning to end of the war.
No arguing about that.
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Yep, wish we had those to for early to midwar events.
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And of course, the Ki-43 and G4M were heavily involved in virtually EVERY PTO CAMPAIGN from beginning to end of the war.
We definately need those planes.
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Thought you meant what Rooks already send down from orbit into B17 missions.
(http://christophervalin.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/defiant-blog2.jpg)
My mistake. :P
:rofl
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Hey, I'm getting scared! Please, in this order: no, no, no, maybe but rather not... please. These are real death traps, my <Salute> to all the poor fellows that HAD to fly them but these models, even in scenarios, would only be lambs to the slaughter... And would add any value to them.
He-111? Yes! Curtiss-Hawk 75? Yes... Morane-Saulnier MS-406? Certainly yes! Dewoitine D-520? Absolutely! Blenheim? Yes... Ju-52? Yes...
Speaking for myself, I would fly one of the damned contraptions in a scenario IF I HAD TO but I would like to have a couple more extra lives than the rest of the chaps...
Cheers,
Sparrow, why so fearful?
It'd be no worse than taking a squad of unescorted JU-88s into a swarm of P-38s...
That was a fun squad operation.
Last Friday my squad was on Stuka duty. I actually got an assist on a Rata with my 7.92s. Some plane, that Stuka... kind of like a Battle with fixed gear (admittedly, perhaps a bit tougher and at least it can dive).
Albacore, anyone?
Now, the Fairey Barracuda, on the other hand, was a real Torp bomber.
Seriously, I've heard good things about the Skua/Roc as far as the handling goes. They're nice turners with a low w/A if a bit slow. They were decent dive bombers if slow for the fighter role. FAA should've laid down a more specialized spec. What they got was a bit of an F-111. Even so, it had a number of distinctions - first kill of the war, first enemy ship sunk.
TBD Devastator, Vultee Vengeance, and Vought Vindicator would also make good early war PTO allied additions (which is to say, also good deathtraps).
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TBD Devastator, Vultee Vengeance, and Vought Vindicator would also make good early war PTO allied additions (which is to say, also good deathtraps).
Hey! Why not go all the way and have HTC set up the ... (wait for it) ....
DEATHTRAP ARENA !!!
Nothing but slow, stable, under-armed crates!
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geez, that plane was totally useless in RL. what was the RAF thinking?
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geez, that plane was totally useless in RL. what was the RAF thinking?
Some squadrons had some initial success in the Defiant until the Luftwaffe figured out how to engage them without coming under fire by the turret.
No.264 Squadron reformed on 30 October 1939, as a Defiant-equipped fighter squadron. It used its two-seater fighters for the first time in May 1940, and had some initial successes, before the Germans discovered the Defiant's weak points. The Defiant was initially successful against enemy aircraft. Its high-water mark was on 29 May 1940, when No. 264 Sqn claimed 65 kills (most likely over counted kills, further research indicates anywhere from 15-20 kills for a loss of 14 Defiants), mostly Junkers Ju 87 Stukas and Messerschmitt Bf 110 twin-engined heavy fighters (Battle of Dunkirk).
264 Sqn. also developed effective countermeasures against single-seat aircraft such as the Bf 109. By flying in an ever-descending Lufberry circle, Defiant crews sacrificed the advantage of height but eliminated the possibility of attack from underneath, while giving 360° of defensive fire. This tactic was used successfully by 264 Sqn. but other Defiant squadrons didn't follow this tactic and got chewed up, like 141 Sqn. during the Battle of Britain.
While the plane was obsolete by the start of the war, it did help "hold the line" when England needed all the planes she could muster and those pilots that flew the Defiant were probably some of the most courageous pilots of the war.
It also enjoyed some success as an early night fighter before being replaced by the Mosquito.
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