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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Pongo1 on September 04, 2012, 12:36:04 PM
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I haven't palyed that long, only a couple of months. I really enjoy the MA arena and doing missions on the Bish side. One thing I see a lot of on the BBS is various compliants about the way people play (hordes, HOing, Campers, BnZ, etc). Basiclly when someone is bested (shot down) by a style they don't subscribe too, they claim some sort of "style" that is inferior to the way they play.
So about the Bish Hording compliant... What if the 40 Lancs or various bombers that are hordes, flew in perfect formation? What if the 50 p-51's were organzied into tight 4 ship flights and operated as a cohesive unit? Would it be a horde then? probably not
The fact is that most people lack the ability to fly in tight formation and join a mission that is loosely put together. It is hard enough to get people to join mission, let alone have them fly in an authentic manner. So whay not look at the "hordes" as a valid style of people who want to work together and lack the ability to fly together perfectly?
If the hordes are so bad why not find a way to defeat them? If 5 good pilots can down the 50 in the horde; do it and enjoy all the perks. Stop complaining about they limited ability of new players that "horde".
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I think people confuse the term "horde" with the term "gaggle". ;)
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easier to complain about it than enjoy the abundance of targets.
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easier to complain about it than enjoy the abundance of targets.
This is exactly what I was thinking last night, as a Knight, when all those P-51's came in (V78 I think?). Easy access to lotsa Targets of Opportunity.
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One the knights side we have all but quit doing missions. The only acceptable form of a group attack has evolved into masses of individuals, in there own preferred ride, waiting on a runway until the STRIKE TEAMtm leader announces its time to go. Its really is sad to see the players game the game this way. IMO, the legitimate horde is only found when planing, is mixed with a formal usage of the plane set, to some sort of a historical theme.
I dont see a problem with 40 lancasters with 20 spitfire escorts or 25 NOE 110s. Thats part of the simulation.
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Missions wouldn't be such a bad thing if they fought one another. I watched last night as two missions flew within a half a sector of each other and didn't engage. They were both more concerned about bombing stuff that doesn't shoot back rather than killing each other.
The nature of MA maps favor offense rather than defense because of the short distance between the fields. It might take you 30 minutes or longer to put together a 50 man mission. Since the standard heavy 51 mission (lets say 30 strong) can get to a base and flatten it in ten minutes, the offense has a heavy advantage in numbers on target (lack of time to defend since players aren't waiting in the hangar to see where the mole pops up next) and then sustained cap since the base and town can be closed in a single pass with eggs to spare.
The SOLE purpose of this game is to engage other players in combat. Avoiding head on engagements so you can bomb inanimate objects with impunity and take away any chance the enemy has to defend whatsoever is not in line with the purpose stated above. But it's your fifteen bucks so do what you want.
Whether you fly a tight formation or not is completely irrelevant.
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The SOLE purpose of this game is to engage other players in combat.
That is your mistake. You are ASSUMING that everyone is on the same mission you are. Obviously that is not the case.
Climb to 30k to intercept bombers and you will find out how hard they fight to avoid combat. Its not their mission plan.
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The complaints about "hording" are only valid when there are so many on one team. I've gone in and seen it, twice the numbers on one team than there are on the other two combined. Not only is this unsporting, it's really counter the intent of the game. Everyone....can you spell G A M E ? SURE you can! I see it in the DA too frequently, too. Got kicked out of a squad because they were horders who didn't like one of their own shooting them down. I believe in fair play, keeping sides even and being honorable. That's what GAMES are about. This isn't real life, so don't spout " they did it in RL" to justify your lack of ability to perform ACMS and shoot someone in the face. Don't game the game to gain extra "perks", it's just plain dishonorable.
A big problem in this world is that too many people believe that the ends justifies the means. It's EXACTLY why we'll keep having to put up with stock crashes and banks failing, they "Game the Game" until everything goes to hell in a handbasket. Then when they are justifiably blamed they cry "it's not illegal". maybe not, but it's DAMNED sure immoral and unethical. Go ahead and flame me, that just proves all the more that I'm right.
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Knits has Jayro the Hordemaster
Bish has vChemistJokers
Rooks have Devil Dogs
Out of the three, the DD gets my vote for actually having missions and not hordes. Although I usually stay away from those missions anyways. :)
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The SOLE purpose of this game is to engage other players in combat.
The SOLE purpose of this game is to get out of it what you want for your 15 Bucks no matter what you do. When this stops or the fun stops is when you end your account and move on. It really is that simple. Been playing off and on now since 1996 and that's just the way it is.
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That is your mistake. You are ASSUMING that everyone is on the same mission you are. Obviously that is not the case.
Climb to 30k to intercept bombers and you will find out how hard they fight to avoid combat. Its not their mission plan.
You can bomb stuff offline for free if you want to avoid an engagement. I stand by my statement. Every single person who pays to play this game does so to have interaction with other players online. If this wasn't true, we'd all be playing MS flight sim by ourselves. If the sole object was to roll bases, we'd all be on the same team fighting AI.
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That is your mistake. You are ASSUMING that everyone is on the same mission you are. Obviously that is not the case.
Climb to 30k to intercept bombers and you will find out how hard they fight to avoid combat. Its not their mission plan.
Yup there are several who get their thrills staying out of fights all together. They sit high between the enemy base and the fight and simply shoot heavily damaged planes trying to make it home. That among other things.
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I dont see a problem with 40 lancasters with 20 spitfire escorts or 25 NOE 110s. Thats part of the simulation.
If only, tht would look great :aok
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Missions wouldn't be such a bad thing if they fought one another. I watched last night as two missions flew within a half a sector of each other and didn't engage. They were both more concerned about bombing stuff that doesn't shoot back rather than killing each other.
:aok
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I had great fun flying against the bish horde yesterday and reckon I could foil every attack if I had another 5 invisible wingman and a GV defence wing to roll tanks and wirbs to town.
Some countries when under attack just don't up with enough force to prevent the place from getting smashed. Too busy arguing and complaining.
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The complaints about "hording" are only valid when there are so many on one team. I've gone in and seen it, twice the numbers on one team than there are on the other two combined. Not only is this unsporting, it's really counter the intent of the game. Everyone....can you spell G A M E ? SURE you can! I see it in the DA too frequently, too. Got kicked out of a squad because they were horders who didn't like one of their own shooting them down. I believe in fair play, keeping sides even and being honorable. That's what GAMES are about. This isn't real life, so don't spout " they did it in RL" to justify your lack of ability to perform ACMS and shoot someone in the face. Don't game the game to gain extra "perks", it's just plain dishonorable.
I think I like this guy.
- oldman
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Out of the three, the DD gets my vote for actually having missions and not hordes. Although I usually stay away from those missions anyways. :)
I am sure ET will appreciate that...
He generally does missions with B-17s with escort fighters (51s, 47s, 38s), and almost always imparts some wisdom/asks some trivia questions (i.e., what's the antenna called on X part of your plane).
It's always an organized affair, and the bomber formations themselves are usually pretty tight (sometimes if we get a bunch of newer players, they can fan out a bit)
:salute
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I had great fun flying against the bish horde yesterday and reckon I could foil every attack if I had another 5 invisible wingman and a GV defence wing to roll tanks and wirbs to town.
Some countries when under attack just don't up with enough force to prevent the place from getting smashed. Too busy arguing and complaining.
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You can bomb stuff offline for free if you want to avoid an engagement. I stand by my statement. Every single person who pays to play this game does so to have interaction with other players online. If this wasn't true, we'd all be playing MS flight sim by ourselves. If the sole object was to roll bases, we'd all be on the same team fighting AI.
As I said... completely untrue. I know of at least four people playing this game that bail if they get even near an engagement. I climb up to them... fly out in front... and just when I turn in to engage they bail. One guy last month did that more than 200 times.
Then there are the porkers. They didnt come to your base to fight they just want the radar dead. They might give you a proxy but not a fight.
Many many many pilots on all sides dive into a base and make two or three passes trying to pick a kill but lack the ability to land telling blows and end up running home.
@Shuffler - Whining about getting killed even in a creative whining way is still whining.
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I haven't palyed that long, only a couple of months. I really enjoy the MA arena and doing missions on the Bish side. One thing I see a lot of on the BBS is various compliants about the way people play (hordes, HOing, Campers, BnZ, etc). Basiclly when someone is bested (shot down) by a style they don't subscribe too, they claim some sort of "style" that is inferior to the way they play.
So about the Bish Hording compliant... What if the 40 Lancs or various bombers that are hordes, flew in perfect formation? What if the 50 p-51's were organzied into tight 4 ship flights and operated as a cohesive unit? Would it be a horde then? probably not
The fact is that most people lack the ability to fly in tight formation and join a mission that is loosely put together. It is hard enough to get people to join mission, let alone have them fly in an authentic manner. So whay not look at the "hordes" as a valid style of people who want to work together and lack the ability to fly together perfectly?
If the hordes are so bad why not find a way to defeat them? If 5 good pilots can down the 50 in the horde; do it and enjoy all the perks. Stop complaining about they limited ability of new players that "horde".
Your new and have a lot to learn about what is available in this game, yes I said GAME. It is NOT a war, even the owner said so, because war is NOT fun, and a game is suppose to be. Look at it from this angle. Your playing cards, the game is "war" (you know the one where you flip a card, your opponent flips a card and the higher card wins the "battle" and you keep doing this until one player is out of cards to win the war"). Picture you starting with all the aces, kings, queens and jacks. You win. there is no point in even playing it out, because your opponent can never throw a winning card right? So there is now no point to the GAME, and so no point to play. This is what happens now. A horde moves in and very few defend because for the most part, nobody can play a winning card. Sure there are some that excel at that type of fighting, but those that can fight AND win against horde type numbers are the very few top few percentage of players.
This is exactly what I was thinking last night, as a Knight, when all those P-51's came in (V78 I think?). Easy access to lotsa Targets of Opportunity.
How many kills did you get? Did you stop the horde from capturing? With 8 kills this past week I'm guessingyou didn't fare to well against them. How long is it going to be fun playing this game if all you get to do is roll down the runway and get towered out all the time?
That is your mistake. You are ASSUMING that everyone is on the same mission you are. Obviously that is not the case.
Climb to 30k to intercept bombers and you will find out how hard they fight to avoid combat. Its not their mission plan.
this from the guy who was complaining about buffs that bail.
The complaints about "hording" are only valid when there are so many on one team. I've gone in and seen it, twice the numbers on one team than there are on the other two combined. Not only is this unsporting, it's really counter the intent of the game. Everyone....can you spell G A M E ? SURE you can! I see it in the DA too frequently, too. Got kicked out of a squad because they were horders who didn't like one of their own shooting them down. I believe in fair play, keeping sides even and being honorable. That's what GAMES are about. This isn't real life, so don't spout " they did it in RL" to justify your lack of ability to perform ACMS and shoot someone in the face. Don't game the game to gain extra "perks", it's just plain dishonorable.
numbers can be countered by honor. If you find yourself leading a horde split it up and have half hit one country, and the other half hit the other. Make a competition out of it, "Mini horde A, Mini horde B, who can capture their base first?" If the leaders of the hordes show a little class/honor and break them up EVERYONE has more fun.
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Someone show the photo of two missions 1 sector apart completely by passing each other so they could hit undefended targets.
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A horde is when more then one is on my arse ! :eek: :joystick:
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How many kills did you get? Did you stop the horde from capturing? With 8 kills this past week I'm guessingyou didn't fare to well against them. How long is it going to be fun playing this game if all you get to do is roll down the runway and get towered out all the time?
How many kills did I get in that rush? I honestly have no clue, and dont give toejam. I dont play this game to rack up a score, and never ever check my score, or anyone elses for that matter. I pay to play this game to fly with my squad in the events, and I just have fun messing around in the MA's. The fact you asked how many kills I had shows you have a different view of what this game is, and what makes it fun for you than I do.
Did I stop the horde from capturing? I have no idea if they even did capture that base while I was there, and I wouldn't care if they did. I think you missed the point of my post, that I dont care if they capture or not, I have fun flying and fighting in the furball with all the targets there to shoot at and practice against. Do you really play in the LWA for strategic warfare that is in anyway realistic?
How fun will it be if I get towered out from being picked off on the runway all the time? First, this doesn't happen all the time anyways. And I've been playing for years, so I know exactly how much fun I have in all the different situations. I do have fun trying to get up and maybe take one or two down with me sometimes during a swarm. Unlike yourself, I dont give a rip about scores or ratios in the MA's, so its not a concern of mine how many times I get vulched. I know what situation I'm taking off under when that is the case and my expectations match the situation. However, theres a simple solution here either way: dont take off from the base thats getting swarmed. I was upping from the base over and coming in with plenty of altitude to fight. Its not like these maps are that spread out, it takes 5 minutes to get to the next base over.
If those guys in the horde are having fun, then more power to them. If you care that much, do some work and organize a force to compete with it. Obviously someone on that side is taking the time and effort to organize it.
The LWA is for nothing but practice for the events for me, and probably alot of other guys. Dont take yourself too seriously bro, especially in the MA's.
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Logged in tonight most of my time spent flying around finding nothing or guys taking a base with no opposition, completely boring waste of my time.
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:headscratch: Ive been playing this game for 3 years now. I have flown knight and rook. Every side has a complaint about the horde. Recently our squad (DEVIL DOGS) has become the subject of horde like behavior. Let me state very clearly that I do not consider our squad a horde. In AH I define a horde as a loosely assembled group of individuals with no real purpose other than to overwhelm an opponent through numbers alone with no other objective but to make as many kills and then flee and land with your name in lights without taking the base.
When we formed this squad last year (ET37, A8Prowlr and myself) our sole purpose was to begin winning the maps and have fun doing it. We recruited players with a like mindset. We have evolved from humble beginnings into one of the largest squads in the game. That didnt happen by accident. Our missions usually succeed because we emphasize training our bomber pilots into dropping hangers hangers in the first pass( this is why we dont have an over abundance of bombers in the missions), teaching the goon or M3 drivers how to hide and get to the town when it becomes ready, teaching ACM and wingman discipline to our guys in the fighter wing. This takes time , patience and a desire to pass along how to play a game with a steep learning curve to newer players. Last night we started 3 missions and took the base each time. We have non squad members join the missions because they know we are there to provide leadership and direction on taking the base and have fun in the process of doing it.
We have faced many talented players who have busted the missions by killing the goon because they are able to think. if you kill the goon you can basically kill the mission on any base take. Instead of complaining that your base is getting taken organize a defense to combat the attack on your base. We love it when we are challenged by another squad or group when we are running missions. it makes it more interesting to have a well organized defense attempt to stop us. Sometimes they are successful sometimes not but usually both sides are enjoying the fight. The real lack of leadership is what I feel perpetuates this complaint about hording. <S>
EZRhino
CO ~~~DEVIL DOGS~~~
~~~DEVIL DOGS FS~~~
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Hmm Devil Dogs ... Ah Devil Dogs ... Oh Devil Dogs ... Where do I start ...
Mission orientated horde of a more organised nature, MOHOAMON for short.
MOHOAMONs are nothing new, LCA under the guidance of 96Delta often were found doing themed missions to take a bases.
These gentle folk were still labelled as a horde, regardless of the theme (Lancs escorted by Hurri mk1 and spit Mk1 was one to remember,) and the Devil Dogs will not dodge that for consistency sake.
That term again, MOHOAMON
Complaints about hordes come from one reoccurring theme; an overwhelming force at an undefended base.
(What happened to the fun police ;) anyone remember those missions that took bases that were defended by a furball. Irritating for the furballers but the bases were technically defended.)
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I hate hordes means the same thing to me as saying
"I need some form of validation after I feel like I lost"
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:headscratch: :headscratch: :headscratch: what makes a base undefended? People see the dar bar on the opposing side. When i see a roll of bases on our side I always feel a good defense is a good offense. We hit on the flank and make the other side react to us. that usually stops the steamroll form the other side. Its the back and forth that i like. Its not a mystery. We take plenty of bases that are defended quite heavily. Some are not. Again its proves my point if there is lack of leadership on the opposing side and all you have is people looking to pad score or furball that base is going to be taken as well as the next one and the next one until we win the map. That is our ultimate goal. Its called teamwork and it takes time and effort to develop. Dolby I dont know where we got crossways whether it was jibbing each other on 200 or whatever. if I was in the wrong I apologize. <S> Dolby and LCA
Rhino
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It is not called a horde, the Pigs call it nom noms! :aok
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I expect to see these complaints increase in the near future.
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As soon as you up a flight with enough ords, fighter cover, and troops to actually take a base, you'll immediately be called a horde by someone.
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Definition of HORDE
1a: a political subdivision of central Asian nomads b: a people or tribe of nomadic life
2: a teeming crowd or throng : swarm
Examples of HORDE
A horde of tourists entered the museum.
Hordes of reporters were shouting questions.
Jayro's Strike Team
Origin of HORDE
Middle French, German, & Polish; Middle French & German, from Polish horda, from Ukrainian dialect gorda, alteration of Ukrainian orda, from Old Russian, from Turkic orda, ordu khan's residence
First Known Use: 1555
Synonyms: army, bike [chiefly Scottish], cram, crush, drove, flock, herd, crowd, host, legion, mass, mob, multitude, press, rout, scrum, swarm
Rhymes with HORDE
board, chord, cord, cored, floored, ford, gourd, hoard, lord, oared, pored, sward, sword, ward
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Ford sucks there fore hordes do as well. Case closed.
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As soon as you up a flight with enough ords, fighter cover, and troops to actually take a base, you'll immediately be called a horde by someone.
If your taking far more than you need hell ya it's a horde.
Everyone knows my feelings on hordes. It's the only thing in this game I can't stand. HO's and ganging are lame, but there is a counter for those and so can be avoided. The horde on the other hand is is avoidable, but in most cases is the "only fight in town". Your either fighting against it, or stuck tagging along.
Nobody defends against a horde because it just isn't fun, even Rhino pointed out that it's better to avoid and flank them making an attack is better than fighting them :rolleyes: The mission leaders have the control of the hordes in their hands all they have to do is use it. How many people up to defend a mission that comes in with some alt? 5-6 maybe. NOE's tend to bring more as those are looking for quick kills to pad their score. With those numbers defending if you come in with a 2.5 to 1 advantage thats 12-15 guys in the attacking force. With a bit of skill that should be enough don't you think?
The point is while it's a game with a clearly defined "end game" for some we are all PAYING to have fun playing the game. If large groups of people remove the chances or cuts back heavily the opportunities for fun for the rest of the population what is the end game then? People accuse me of telling others to "play my way" all the while forcing me to play there way.
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I haven't palyed that long, only a couple of months. I really enjoy the MA arena and doing missions on the Bish side. One thing I see a lot of on the BBS is various compliants about the way people play (hordes, HOing, Campers, BnZ, etc). Basiclly when someone is bested (shot down) by a style they don't subscribe too, they claim some sort of "style" that is inferior to the way they play.
So about the Bish Hording compliant... What if the 40 Lancs or various bombers that are hordes, flew in perfect formation? What if the 50 p-51's were organzied into tight 4 ship flights and operated as a cohesive unit? Would it be a horde then? probably not
The fact is that most people lack the ability to fly in tight formation and join a mission that is loosely put together. It is hard enough to get people to join mission, let alone have them fly in an authentic manner. So whay not look at the "hordes" as a valid style of people who want to work together and lack the ability to fly together perfectly?
If the hordes are so bad why not find a way to defeat them? If 5 good pilots can down the 50 in the horde; do it and enjoy all the perks. Stop complaining about they limited ability of new players that "horde".
if ya don't care for the ma style of play, come try out fso's. or check out ava when someone's in there. they're both massive fun.
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I hate hordes means the same thing to me as saying
"I need some form of validation after I feel like I lost"
It could also be seen as 'some sort of validation because I fear losing"
Play it how you want, but a lot of folks see upping against 15 high Mustangs in the middle of nowhere, as kind of pointless. And many of us see being part of a raid of 15 Mustangs against an undefended base as pointless too.
It's your dime, but don't make being in the horde a noble cause please :)
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Interesting points by most everyone. I like fugitive's analysis of HOing as there is a counter for that behavior. I don't know how to avoid it and found myself getting annoyed with it. I upped a fighter and attempted to improve my non-existant ACM. I actually got a kill, then I was HOed by a Niki...
So do I complain about it? I thought about it, it did irritate me. What I need to do is learn how to avoid it or the counter for it. If I can't I might as well stop playing AH...
So if you aren't enjoying yourself anymore...look for some thing else. If you are a good stick and fight in an "honorable" way, teach others by example and make them want to copy your success by your positive attitude. Demanding people change only works if your have the authority/respect to do it. None of us have the authority... This means you have to lead by example and make us "want" to play like you.
Show me an alternative to hording that I can do at my skill level. Create a atomsphere that I want to be a part of and I will join you. Otherwise I will keep having fun the anyway I find in the game. Currently, this means I will join Chewie's and HOtard's missions repeatedly as I enjoy the team effort even it it is loosely organized.
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It could also be seen as 'some sort of validation because I fear losing"
Play it how you want, but a lot of folks see upping against 15 high Mustangs in the middle of nowhere, as kind of pointless. And many of us see being part of a raid of 15 Mustangs against an undefended base as pointless too.
It's your dime, but don't make being in the horde a noble cause please :)
That's actually a really good point. When nobody defends it's boring for the attackers too.
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Interesting points by most everyone. I like fugitive's analysis of HOing as there is a counter for that behavior. I don't know how to avoid it and found myself getting annoyed with it. I upped a fighter and attempted to improve my non-existant ACM. I actually got a kill, then I was HOed by a Niki...
So do I complain about it? I thought about it, it did irritate me. What I need to do is learn how to avoid it or the counter for it. If I can't I might as well stop playing AH...
So if you aren't enjoying yourself anymore...look for some thing else. If you are a good stick and fight in an "honorable" way, teach others by example and make them want to copy your success by your positive attitude. Demanding people change only works if your have the authority/respect to do it. None of us have the authority... This means you have to lead by example and make us "want" to play like you.
Show me an alternative to hording that I can do at my skill level. Create a atomsphere that I want to be a part of and I will join you. Otherwise I will keep having fun the anyway I find in the game. Currently, this means I will join Chewie's and HOtard's missions repeatedly as I enjoy the team effort even it it is loosely organized.
If you can get under and around the hoer, he has put himself in a bad position at the merge. As long as you do not get shot, you will gain some more of an advantage in occupying the hoers 6.
Beyond the obvious advantage of the hoer shooting at the hoed, hoing usually results in a nose down position at the merge. generally speaking, being nose down at merge is a bad thing.
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generally speaking, being nose down at merge is a bad thing.
I must be doing something wrong then... hmmmm :neener:
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I haven't palyed that long, only a couple of months. I really enjoy the MA arena and doing missions on the Bish side. One thing I see a lot of on the BBS is various compliants about the way people play (hordes, HOing, Campers, BnZ, etc). Basiclly when someone is bested (shot down) by a style they don't subscribe too, they claim some sort of "style" that is inferior to the way they play.
So about the Bish Hording compliant... What if the 40 Lancs or various bombers that are hordes, flew in perfect formation? What if the 50 p-51's were organzied into tight 4 ship flights and operated as a cohesive unit? Would it be a horde then? probably not
The fact is that most people lack the ability to fly in tight formation and join a mission that is loosely put together. It is hard enough to get people to join mission, let alone have them fly in an authentic manner. So whay not look at the "hordes" as a valid style of people who want to work together and lack the ability to fly together perfectly?
If the hordes are so bad why not find a way to defeat them? If 5 good pilots can down the 50 in the horde; do it and enjoy all the perks. Stop complaining about they limited ability of new players that "horde".
While I agree with your thought here, there's more to it than just mere flying in formation. If they did fly in an authentic manner, I would be willing to bet it would still be called hording. Once the target objective is arrived at, the tight formations would go away, at best, into 2 ship formations.
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That's actually a really good point. When nobody defends it's boring for the attackers too.
Since vTards often run 20 man Mustang missions where there is no bardar you must be bored a lot.
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That's actually a really good point. When nobody defends it's boring for the attackers too.
Stop dropping the hangars?
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I must be doing something wrong then... hmmmm :neener:
no, no, the longer you keep that 38 pointing down the sooner my proxie perks go up. :devil
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Since vTards often run 20 man Mustang missions where there is no bardar you must be bored a lot.
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noe is usually a stupid way to attack.
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Hmm Devil Dogs ... Ah Devil Dogs ... Oh Devil Dogs ... Where do I start ...
I know right? they are awesome......big glass of milk...mmmmmmmm
(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac82/mbailey166066/DD16PK.jpg)
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I must be doing something wrong then... hmmmm
Wondered about that myself. HR taught that you should be under your opponent so you can see which way he breaks after the merge. Usually works for me.
- oldman (...well...you know...when anything works for me...)
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I can't complain about the V-tard missions - while back I upped a 262 zipping around and ran into a sector that had a full Dar... turns out the Alchemist put 20 51s and 38s up to shut down a Knight field.
9 kills Later - every PM I got I responded "20k wasn't high enough you should of flown higher".
Reason it was only 9 is because air is thinner up there, you compress a little faster - some that dove away didn't escape :)
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I accidently flew alone with a P40 into a mission of Spitfires upping.
Horde? no horde? It was one of the most fun AH sorties I've had.
It lasted for me slightly longer than two rabbits fornicating. :uhoh
It was still awesome!
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I can't complain about the V-tard missions - while back I upped a 262 zipping around and ran into a sector that had a full Dar... turns out the Alchemist put 20 51s and 38s up to shut down a Knight field.
9 kills Later - every PM I got I responded "20k wasn't high enough you should of flown higher".
Reason it was only 9 is because air is thinner up there, you compress a little faster - some that dove away didn't escape :)
Last time I was able to kill 9 of 'em and their ords they still had enough hordelings left to close and take the base I was defending. Might have been able to get more but base ack hit my fuel tank as I gunned down the bunkers. Maybe it's time for me to start some serious recruiting. If I had a couple friends with like minded disdain for the mole squads, I could possibly put some of them out of business. It would probably backfire on me though. The hordelings would probably just start with 70 man missions against undefended territory instead of the standard 20.
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I think a lot of players forget that we're all amateurs.
As far as 2 missions ignoring each other... They're all loaded with bombs and not ready to engage each other so of course they fly right on past each other most of the time. It's actually funny and scary at the same time if you're in one of these missions and see it happen.
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Last night the v guys took a base. In the tower i predicted a vbase for their next move. Shiv and I upped and while talking strategy, he said i bet they noe it. we flew to their nearest base and one 47 was up as base. Sure enough as he engaged it, the vbase started flashing and the NOE popped up. I announced an alert on channel and a dozen or so vehicle guys spawned in. Lucky i stayed high and didn't try to steal Shivs kill lol, So I dove down to the horde from the dar ring and guess what was at the rear, two goons. Killed em both... result, mission failed. they tried three times, air to air ratio was about 4 to 1. Our bnz'n plus acks thinned em down thru attrition, they gave up after about 40+ losses, i would guess. The key to beating the horde, is when it gets announced... up right away to meet them. Their will to win is not excessive and they give up if its well defended. Try to predict where they will go next. The v guys like a base with multiple gv spawns out so they can choose the next target. Then, they like to faint alot. They have one guy fly high to make a base blink so as to hide the noe... meanwhile they have a few guys fly at another other base to draw defenders there. When the noe pops at the real target..its too late! soooo look at the map, think like they do and then just wait for them to show. ohh i forgot step one, check the roster for an abundance of Vs, you know a horde is in the prep stages. And if only one or two v guys are at a base you're defending, you can bet they are bait to keep you away from the real mission!
Personally, i find stopping an enemy mission (or horde) extremely gratifying!
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What if the 40 Lancs or various bombers that are hordes, flew in perfect formation? What if the 50 p-51's were organzied into tight 4 ship flights and operated as a cohesive unit? Would it be a horde then?
Usually, what I like to throw together is indeed an organized mission, despite the fact not everyone will fly in perfect textbook formation. I don't really care about that. All I want is for our many boxes of B17's, escorts, and "bad guys" to have a good time duking it out as we make our way to an objective, and they put up a fight to stop us. I like at least some realism, a good fight, a little uncertainty as to how well we survive the sortie, and that all culminates into (hopefully) a lot of fun for everyone involved.
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Missions wouldn't be such a bad thing if they fought one another. I watched last night as two missions flew within a half a sector of each other and didn't engage. They were both more concerned about bombing stuff that doesn't shoot back rather than killing each other.
The nature of MA maps favor offense rather than defense because of the short distance between the fields. It might take you 30 minutes or longer to put together a 50 man mission. Since the standard heavy 51 mission (lets say 30 strong) can get to a base and flatten it in ten minutes, the offense has a heavy advantage in numbers on target (lack of time to defend since players aren't waiting in the hangar to see where the mole pops up next) and then sustained cap since the base and town can be closed in a single pass with eggs to spare.
The SOLE purpose of this game is to engage other players in combat. Avoiding head on engagements so you can bomb inanimate objects with impunity and take away any chance the enemy has to defend whatsoever is not in line with the purpose stated above. But it's your fifteen bucks so do what you want.
Whether you fly a tight formation or not is completely irrelevant.
One of the most true posts I have ever read! ...well done
Helm ...out
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one of the most enjoyable missions i remember was at least a year ago when we upped a jabo mission for a base and encountered a large jabo mission NOE to one of our bases. We literally ran into one another. It turned into an awesome furball with both sides dropping ords at about the same time to engage. Fun when it occurs though it rarely happens.
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Took part in Hurri 1 mission 5 or 6 years ago that had 30 people in it, i think 2 or 3 actually landed. Was a rather fun fighter sweep/joke to partake in. Large SBD/TBM raids use to be fun as well.
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Thats one thing, flying a jabo mission and blow up some cheit or escort some bombers. That can be fun, both for the attacker and the defender.
An other is, climbing up to 20k with 10-15 wingmen, fly over a base and gang every single upper, withouth any willing to actually fight: if it comes to a co-e 1v1, they just run til they find a friend, then the double team starts again. I found this behaviour to be very common in the MAs, even against a lone Dora, even from people who used to be excellent fights before.
This makes me sad.
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It's irritating as hell Deb :old:
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The SOLE purpose of this game is to engage other players in combat. Avoiding head on engagements so you can bomb inanimate objects with impunity and take away any chance the enemy has to defend whatsoever is not in line with the purpose stated above. But it's your fifteen bucks so do what you want.
Whether you fly a tight formation or not is completely irrelevant.
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The sole purpose of the Main arena to to capture bases and win the map.The DA is for 1 on 1 combat.And overwhelming force is the best way to do that.I dont understand people being upset with a "horde".All 3 sides do it.Any means justifies the ends,to capture bases.If im going to a base to kill dar and ord thn that is my 1st priority,not engage someone in a 1 on 1 dogfight.Not that there isnt a time and place for that in MA.
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The sole purpose of the Main arena to to capture bases and win the map.The DA is for 1 on 1 combat.And overwhelming force is the best way to do that.I dont understand people being upset with a "horde".All 3 sides do it.Any means justifies the ends,to capture bases.If im going to a base to kill dar and ord thn that is my 1st priority,not engage someone in a 1 on 1 dogfight.Not that there isnt a time and place for that in MA.
wrong :aok
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Im wrong?Then why not just make all the bases uncapturable if that is the case.No you are wrong.
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But I have no problems with how anyone plays the game.Its their money and they can play as they wish.But to go into MA and complain cause some chose to play as the arena is designed,to capture bases and win the map is just silly.
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Im wrong?Then why not just make all the bases uncapturable if that is the case.No you are wrong.
sorry.... but you are wrong....the reason for the MA is virtual COMBAT...land.... sea....... air....COMBAT....
the war is to promote COMBAT.....
seeings how the guy who made the game said basically exactly that....ill take his word for it...over yours. :aok
it is after all a PvP COMBAT game durrrrrrr..
gee fellas lets log in to a Massive Multi player game.....just to avoid the other players...... :rolleyes:
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The combat comes as a result of one side trying to stop the otherside from capturing their bases.But the object is to capture the othersides bases.If that wasnt so then why make the bases capturable.Thats like saying the object of football is just to run ,pass and catch the ball,not score more points.
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And here i thought the whole purpose of the game was to have fun.
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The fun comes as a result of the combat incured whn one side tries to take bases from another.
Maybe hitech should add a "free for all" arena.Fighter ace used to have one and was very popular.
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The combat comes as a result of one side trying to stop the otherside from capturing their bases.But the object is to capture the othersides bases.If that wasnt so then why make the bases capturable.Thats like saying the object of football is just to run ,pass and catch the ball,not score more points.
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if thats the case...then why are there 3 sides that are NOT even.....football is a very poor comparison. :rolleyes:
the point to the game is virtual combat and yes as whiteman says having fun while engaging in said combat....this is NOT war.... war suks....this is a game......a game about virtual combat.....base taking was ADDED to promote combat....
no matter how you try to spin it.....the facts remain the same.
AH is a game designed for virtual combat using WW2 equipment...we are not replaying WW2....we are engaging in a game that evolves around virtual combat.
The fun comes as a result of the combat incured whn one side tries to take bases from another.
Maybe hitech should add a "free for all" arena.Fighter ace used to have one and was very popular.
maybe you should play WW2online :aok
The MA is a Free for all arena :rolleyes:
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I haven't palyed that long, only a couple of months. I really enjoy the MA arena and doing missions on the Bish side. One thing I see a lot of on the BBS is various compliants about the way people play (hordes, HOing, Campers, BnZ, etc). Basiclly when someone is bested (shot down) by a style they don't subscribe too, they claim some sort of "style" that is inferior to the way they play.
So about the Bish Hording compliant... What if the 40 Lancs or various bombers that are hordes, flew in perfect formation? What if the 50 p-51's were organzied into tight 4 ship flights and operated as a cohesive unit? Would it be a horde then? probably not
The fact is that most people lack the ability to fly in tight formation and join a mission that is loosely put together. It is hard enough to get people to join mission, let alone have them fly in an authentic manner. So whay not look at the "hordes" as a valid style of people who want to work together and lack the ability to fly together perfectly?
If the hordes are so bad why not find a way to defeat them? If 5 good pilots can down the 50 in the horde; do it and enjoy all the perks. Stop complaining about they limited ability of new players that "horde".
The only issue i have is newer players with limited skills that STAY in hordes bnz, vulch and Ho never learn anything more and stick to not learning how to fight well, playing with only number of kills in mind and not the fun of a fight.
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Well you play as you choose,its your money.I choose to play to win the map and that requires I shoot down planes,blow up tanks,destroy ground objects.And there is a carrot at the end of that stick.The winners of the map get perkies.
Word of advice dont bring that sword to a gunfight.
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Well you play as you choose,its your money.I choose to play to win the map and that requires I shoot down planes,blow up tanks,destroy ground objects.And there is a carrot at the end of that stick.The winners of the map get perkies.
Word of advice dont bring that sword to a gunfight.
Perks .... :lol
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The point of the game is... whatever you want it to be.
INK likes to fight. He doesn't really fly buffs, doesn't care for GV'ing. He likes upping a KI, getting all sweaty and flush while pwning and dying. :aok
Others like to take bases, bomb stuff, GV, hoarde, talk trash on 200, audition for NASA, pick, HO, up a PT boat, fire 8 inchers, vulch, etc. :aok
While some of the above isn't my cup of tea, I must be in the minority when I say I like to fight, take bases, AND win the war. Sometimes I'm only up to do one or the other and sometimes I'm doing one while I do the others. It really just depends on my blood/alcohol level, moon phase, and allotted time to play. :D
Seriously... I've seen a few too many of these type of discussions lately. It's silly. Play the game. HTC and the supporting players have put a lot of time and effort in to giving us all just about any option we could want. :rock
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Well you play as you choose,its your money.I choose to play to win the map and that requires I shoot down planes,blow up tanks,destroy ground objects.And there is a carrot at the end of that stick.The winners of the map get perkies.
Word of advice dont bring that sword to a gunfight.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
oh my word...
oh perkies...oh my.....thats it......... thats the reason to play...to earn perks...... :rofl :rofl :rofl
I have a feeling I earn far more fighter perks then you ever will :aok
and your "advise" is just eye opening wow....man...I am impressed with your insightfullness....I now know when I go to gun fights to not bring my sword.....thank you..... you probably saved my life.......I am in your debt.
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The point of the game is... whatever you want it to be.
INK likes to fight. He doesn't really fly buffs, doesn't care for GV'ing. He likes upping a KI, getting all sweaty and flush while pwning and dying. :aok
Others like to take bases, bomb stuff, GV, hoarde, talk trash on 200, audition for NASA, pick, HO, up a PT boat, fire 8 inchers, vulch, etc. :aok
While some of the above isn't my cup of tea, I must be in the minority when I say I like to fight, take bases, AND win the war. Sometimes I'm only up to do one or the other and sometimes I'm doing one while I do the others. It really just depends on my blood/alcohol level, moon phase, and allotted time to play. :D
Seriously... I've seen a few too many of these type of discussions lately. It's silly. Play the game. HTC and the supporting players have put a lot of time and effort in to giving us all just about any option we could want. :rock
well said...I agree there are all kinds of things to do in AH...one of the things that make AH great....but I must dispel the notion/ignorance that the MA is a "war" only arena.....and that base taking is the main thing is AH.
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well said...I agree there are all kinds of things to do in AH...one of the things that make AH great....but I must dispel the notion/ignorance that the MA is a "war" only arena.....and that base taking is the main thing is AH.
For you it's not, but that option is there. Bases can be taken, GV's can be bomb****ed, ords can be porked. All in the name of floating whatever boat you're riding in.
Don't get me wrong... sometimes when I'm in "fighter mode" all I want are some good 1v1's and I'm constantly getting ganged and picked, I get :furious and just want everyone to play the way I wanna play. C'mon you sissies... one at a time! :old:
But backing away from the joystick for a minute gives some perspective. If I just wanna fight, shouldn't I go to the DA? I've got squaddies who like to fight (plus many here who by reputation probably would roll with me). Isn't it silly of me to expect others to want to play my way when A) There's an arena set up just for dogfighting and B) I'm trying to dogfight in an arena with others trying to do other things.
That said, I feel the pain. Sometimes ya just gotta blow off some steam. That LA and Zeke weren't protecting the buffs behind them, they are gutless tards who can't fight 1v1! :D That 51 that just blew past me without dropping his ords? A nancy boy who is afraid of me! :neener:
At the end of the day, some of us are just playing a different game. All of them (well, most :D) worth playing.
:cheers:
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oh my word...
oh perkies...oh my.....thats it......... thats the reason to play...to earn perks...... :rofl :rofl :rofl
I have a feeling I earn far more fighter perks then you ever will :aok
and your "advise" is just eye opening wow....man...I am impressed with your insightfullness....I now know when I go to gun fights to not bring my sword.....thank you..... you probably saved my life.......I am in your debt.
I simply mentioned the fact that the winners recieve perks because its obviously a reward for winning the map.And my comment about the sword was an attempt at humor,maybe not very good but tht was wht it was.But your comment about how many perks you have is obviously an attempt by you to assert your superiorty over me.And you may well be a better 1 on 1 dogfighter thn me,I could care less.Iv never claimed to be the best at anything in this game.And I never called this GAME a WAR.Games by their definition have an objective.To win.Iv been playing this game for at least 8 years now.Havnt always had the same name because I have taken breaks from it for lack of intrest.But there isnt much I havnt seen or done that can be seen or done.Maybe I should just shut up because you obviousy are the smartest person on the forum.
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I simply mentioned the fact that the winners recieve perks because its obviously a reward for winning the map.And my comment about the sword was an attempt at humor,maybe not very good but tht was wht it was.But your comment about how many perks you have is obviously an attempt by you to assert your superiorty over me.And you may well be a better 1 on 1 dogfighter thn me,I could care less.Iv never claimed to be the best at anything in this game.And I never called this GAME a WAR.Games by their definition have an objective.To win.Iv been playing this game for at least 8 years now.Havnt always had the same name because I have taken breaks from it for lack of intrest.But there isnt much I havnt seen or done that can be seen or done.Maybe I should just shut up because you obviousy are the smartest person on the forum.
8 years? Just wondering what your in game name is? No offense ,you just don't sound like a long timer.
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For you it's not, but that option is there. Bases can be taken, GV's can be bomb****ed, ords can be porked. All in the name of floating whatever boat you're riding in.
Don't get me wrong... sometimes when I'm in "fighter mode" all I want are some good 1v1's and I'm constantly getting ganged and picked, I get :furious and just want everyone to play the way I wanna play. C'mon you sissies... one at a time! :old:
But backing away from the joystick for a minute gives some perspective. If I just wanna fight, shouldn't I go to the DA? I've got squaddies who like to fight (plus many here who by reputation probably would roll with me). Isn't it silly of me to expect others to want to play my way when A) There's an arena set up just for dogfighting and B) I'm trying to dogfight in an arena with others trying to do other things.
That said, I feel the pain. Sometimes ya just gotta blow off some steam. That LA and Zeke weren't protecting the buffs behind them, they are gutless tards who can't fight 1v1! :D That 51 that just blew past me without dropping his ords? A nancy boy who is afraid of me! :neener:
At the end of the day, some of us are just playing a different game. All of them (well, most :D) worth playing.
:cheers:
I don't care how one plays the game.....more power to them....if they are into the war thats great.... seriously.....
my point is the MA is NOT just about base taking like he tries to say and I want to make sure his hogwash is corrected.
I simply mentioned the fact that the winners recieve perks because its obviously a reward for winning the map.And my comment about the sword was an attempt at humor,maybe not very good but tht was wht it was.But your comment about how many perks you have is obviously an attempt by you to assert your superiorty over me.And you may well be a better 1 on 1 dogfighter thn me,I could care less.Iv never claimed to be the best at anything in this game.And I never called this GAME a WAR.Games by their definition have an objective.To win.Iv been playing this game for at least 8 years now.Havnt always had the same name because I have taken breaks from it for lack of intrest.But there isnt much I havnt seen or done that can be seen or done.Maybe I should just shut up because you obviousy are the smartest person on the forum.
my comment on the perks was just a way to show you that is a silly argument.....
you are trying to assert that the MA is just about the war.....and you are wrong.....you just dont want to admit it....
I never said I was the best....please show me where I did.....
you are simply wrong saying the MA is only about the war......
winning to some is not the same to others.....winning the map may well be all cool for those that are into that..and never have I said that was a "wrong" way to play.....but not everyone is into the war.....I know many players that don't give two squats about what the map looks like....or how the "war" is going.....to many that never even enters the mind.
I will always admit if I am proven wrong....we are all wrong at some point....on this one its your turn. :aok
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I miss the days I can jsut fly around in a Ki-84 or 109G6 and just find small duels, burned myself from the game by trying to counter the hordes, I just am losing to much interest anymore..
Either going to have to join the horde and pick all day, or just give up the game.
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For you it's not, but that option is there. Bases can be taken, GV's can be bomb****ed, ords can be porked. All in the name of floating whatever boat you're riding in.
Don't get me wrong... sometimes when I'm in "fighter mode" all I want are some good 1v1's and I'm constantly getting ganged and picked, I get :furious and just want everyone to play the way I wanna play. C'mon you sissies... one at a time! :old:
But backing away from the joystick for a minute gives some perspective. If I just wanna fight, shouldn't I go to the DA? I've got squaddies who like to fight (plus many here who by reputation probably would roll with me). Isn't it silly of me to expect others to want to play my way when A) There's an arena set up just for dogfighting and B) I'm trying to dogfight in an arena with others trying to do other things.
That said, I feel the pain. Sometimes ya just gotta blow off some steam. That LA and Zeke weren't protecting the buffs behind them, they are gutless tards who can't fight 1v1! :D That 51 that just blew past me without dropping his ords? A nancy boy who is afraid of me! :neener:
At the end of the day, some of us are just playing a different game. All of them (well, most :D) worth playing.
:cheers:
All this is 100% true, the problem arises when a player, or group of players play the game in a way that is detrimental to the play of others.
The horde allows no real defense. It flatten ALL objects at a base like a horde of locust and once it captures the base it disappears and moves off someplace else. Should you spot the horde, and if luck should be with you and a number of other players get together it is possible to slow a horde, but all you can do is slow it. It will give up on the mission at hand and once again disappear only to find another place on the map it thinks it can grab another base WITHOUT being detected until it's too late.
If a single player is calling out the hidden cv's to the other teams, it is considered detrimental to game play. Why isn't a horde of locust swamping a base considered the same? Should a team of 10 skilled players get together and spend there time doing nothing but hunting a certain horde (any one of the many, not singling any squad out here) the entire night so that they NEVER get half way to a base let alone capture one would it be con sided detrimental to game play? After all, they are taking away the "play" that that horde was looking forward to doing, removing any possibility of fun for them, or would it be allowed?
I don't have a problem with the "win the war" crowd, as long as they fight for it. If your going to allow them to hide and avoid fighting they might as well start handing out A bombs. What better way to win the war fast. Thats all they are after right?
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I miss the days I can jsut fly around in a Ki-84 or 109G6 and just find small duels, burned myself from the game by trying to counter the hordes, I just am losing to much interest anymore..
Either going to have to join the horde and pick all day, or just give up the game.
its still fun for me.....I need AH.....good way to get stress out.....
although I will admit 10/15 on 1 is a bit over board :rofl
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its still fun for me.....I need AH.....good way to get stress out.....
although I will admit 10/15 on 1 is a bit over board :rofl
I ran into this last night, 5 guys at 20k vs my 109G6 at 7k....... I didn't even manage to tag one, they all just bounced me at same time.
Good for them, teamwork is important, but at least give the guy a fighting chance.
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I ran into this last night, 5 guys at 20k vs my 109G6 at 7k....... I didn't even manage to tag one, they all just bounced me at same time.
Good for them, teamwork is important, but at least give the guy a fighting chance.
I watch the hoard... and try to get above them, thats the only fighting chance you have, sad part is they would have most likely hit the deck as fast as possible if you were above them :rofl
not everyone plays like that, I do find some great fights every time I fly....
was fighting a few last week sometime, and one refused to pick me while fighting 3 of his countrymen....he send me a PM...his team mates were giving him a hard time for not jumping in...... :rofl :rofl
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Some years ago i seen players talking about how hording was getting worse ,and i would just think o you old timers,but in the years going by it dose seem to get worse all the time.
To many kids that play point and shoot games and just want to rack up kills. It seemed like there used to be more players that wanted player vs player, to see who is the best,many don't seem to want to learn anymore ..just want to point and shoot.
(edit) On that note im in TA often and would be happy to work with any player on acm.
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8 years? Just wondering what your in game name is? No offense ,you just don't sound like a long timer.
I lost my first 2 BBS accounts since I didn't have the password or email address that goes with it. I signed up around 2000.
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The fun comes as a result of the combat incured whn one side tries to take bases from another.
Maybe hitech should add a "free for all" arena.Fighter ace used to have one and was very popular.
There is one in the DA. The lake.
But the city ack has to be down to take the city. After a base capture why not leave the city ack down and what base ack was down for a period of time. This has been brought up before. This makes the new owner (country) protect the base. Instead of just landing and planning the next NOE.
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I ran into this last night, 5 guys at 20k vs my 109G6 at 7k....... I didn't even manage to tag one, they all just bounced me at same time.
Good for them, teamwork is important, but at least give the guy a fighting chance.
Be nice if there was a few people that would goto the DA and fight 3v3 or 5v5 (random number) which ever number. Canyon fights are fun to.
Never going to get a break in the MA unless its late at night. Away from peak hours the game changes some or at least it used to.
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I ran into this last night, 5 guys at 20k vs my 109G6 at 7k....... I didn't even manage to tag one, they all just bounced me at same time.
Good for them, teamwork is important, but at least give the guy a fighting chance.
we have a lot of hi alt craft, so it makes sense for them to be there...though i cant wait to get that high i fight above 7-15k during bomber intercepts and scenarios
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we have a lot of hi alt craft, so it makes sense for them to be there...though i cant wait to get that high i fight above 7-15k during bomber intercepts and scenarios
You have completely missed his point.
The problem isnt in the 20k flying. Where the pain starts, many people just grab the fastest long range ride, spend 8-10 mins climbing, then tag team everyone or run like the wind towards the nearest friendly when the situation gets even. Since it have become very common in the MAs, its a pain in the arse to find a good old fashioned furball, let it be 1v1, 2v2, or 15v15, on the deck or at 15k.
EZPkns: this game is about the contact between the players. Your points makes no sense for me.
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that means if one of the 15vs15 dies the rest should end the fight? because its not fair ;)
i dont see it as bad as you, i always find good fights. when im get banged its mostly near a enemy base on the deack after attackin 2-3 enemys hehe.
cu christian
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Nope Chris, i can handle a 2v1 in a 109 or a 4v1 in a spit in that case if they are not tag teaming. Couse thats pretty much disgusting, boring and takes no skills at all.
And yup when im fighting with someone and a friendly is jumping in, i usually just leave the opponent. Not expecting the same tho.
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Missions wouldn't be such a bad thing if they fought one another. I watched last night as two missions flew within a half a sector of each other and didn't engage. They were both more concerned about bombing stuff that doesn't shoot back rather than killing each other.
The nature of MA maps favor offense rather than defense because of the short distance between the fields. It might take you 30 minutes or longer to put together a 50 man mission. Since the standard heavy 51 mission (lets say 30 strong) can get to a base and flatten it in ten minutes, the offense has a heavy advantage in numbers on target (lack of time to defend since players aren't waiting in the hangar to see where the mole pops up next) and then sustained cap since the base and town can be closed in a single pass with eggs to spare.
The SOLE purpose of this game is to engage other players in combat. Avoiding head on engagements so you can bomb inanimate objects with impunity and take away any chance the enemy has to defend whatsoever is not in line with the purpose stated above. But it's your fifteen bucks so do what you want.
Whether you fly a tight formation or not is completely irrelevant.
The very word Mission should answer why two Missions did not engage. If the object is to kill a town and land troops or lay waste to a base or bring back 200 sliders from White Castle then that is what you do. Accomplishing the Mission is all you are focusing on. If you start to bleed off from that mission to engage in personal combat then the very purpose of staging a large forces becomes lost. Anyone who has served in the Military has heard Accomplish The Mission and knows what I am talking about. As for hordes (Overwhelming Forces) that to is text book Military operations. Like Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest said get there first with the most.
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I take bases because they have some strategic value that I want to use.
That is why I can't stand watching 27 green dots hovering over a useless small field with no value or outgoing tank spawns while the enemy is taking one of our large fields that has a 5,000 foot field elevation and 3 tank spawns into enemy fields.
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I take bases because they have some strategic value that I want to use.
That is why I can't stand watching 27 green dots hovering over a useless small field with no value or outgoing tank spawns while the enemy is taking one of our large fields that has a 5,000 foot field elevation and 3 tank spawns into enemy fields.
Very good point and the answer is a very large number of players ether do not understand military strategy or don't care about the over all objective of the game. (Win The Map) The sole propose of many players is personal gain in the way of points and their name in lights. I myself am a team player but that is me and remember it is their $14.95 and they can do what they want. This is the me generation after all.
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Very good point and the answer is a very large number of players ether do not understand military strategy or don't care about the over all objective of the game. (Win The Map) The sole propose of many players is personal gain in the way of points and their name in lights. I myself am a team player but that is me and remember it is their $14.95 and they can do what they want. This is the me generation after all.
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Very good point and the answer is a very large number of players ether do not understand military strategy or don't care about the over all objective of the game. (Win The Map) The sole propose of many players is personal gain in the way of points and their name in lights. I myself am a team player but that is me and remember it is their $14.95 and they can do what they want. This is the me generation after all.
wow
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The very word Mission should answer why two Missions did not engage. If the object is to kill a town and land troops or lay waste to a base or bring back 200 sliders from White Castle then that is what you do. Accomplishing the Mission is all you are focusing on. If you start to bleed off from that mission to engage in personal combat then the very purpose of staging a large forces becomes lost. Anyone who has served in the Military has heard Accomplish The Mission and knows what I am talking about. As for hordes (Overwhelming Forces) that to is text book Military operations. Like Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest said get there first with the most.
I guess this is a valid point except one glaring error. What we do in the MA isn't war at all. To equate what happens in the MA to actual war is laughable. This is a game where the objective is fun though interaction with other players. If you're purpose is to avoid other players, you're missing the entire point of being logged on to an internet based game.
By the way, if I'm on the way to White Castle and I see Krystal selling sliders two for one, I'm adjusting my mission objectives on the fly.
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The sole propose of many players is personal gain in the way of points and their name in lights. I myself am a team player but that is me and remember it is their $14.95 and they can do what they want. This is the me generation after all.
I'd like to think I play for fun, win or lose. Points? Heh! :rolleyes: I wish my years of amassed perk points were real money! Name in lights? Yeah, it's nice to be recognized, but I get more of a kick being recognized in the real world for real talent (someday hopefully making real money at it, too :rock ).
"Me" generation? If that is your narrow perception, so be it. Since I first subscribed in '04, I've witnessed a lot of players in this game not only try to have fun themselves, but actively try to offer that fun out to others by being good sports and be supportive of each other (teammates and opponents alike). Doesn't matter if you suck in fighters (like me), there's always some way to have fun and enjoy the comradery that exists here.