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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: 1K3 on August 14, 2004, 08:36:59 PM
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What types of bombers and fighters did the Soviets had before they were attacked in summer '41?
:confused:
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Mostly ones that flew, specifically, ones that could fight and/or bomb. ;)
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the Tu2 is im not mistaken was early war.
the il2 was just beginning to enter service when the attacks began.
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I'm sure there are people who can do a much better job of this, but here goes, off the top of my head.
The main "pre-war" fighter for the VVS was the I-16. This was an open cockpit monoplane, with retractable landing gear (IIRC, the gear were raised manually :eek: ) Realising that war was on the horizon, the Soviets went to work on creating Modern fighter designs.
The three of consequence were the Mig-1, Yak-1 and Lagg-3.
The Mig was designed as a High alt fighter, and as such it was wicked fast. However it was a beast to fly, and way under-armed.
The Yak was a decent enough fighter, however it was underpowered, and paid dearly. The design was improved into both the Yak-9, and Yak-3 which went on to become very good fighters. (The Yak-7 was in there was well, however this was originally designed as a trainer, later adapted as a fighter)
The Lagg three suffered from the same underpower problems, however instead of waiting for a new inline engine, they opted to dump a big bellybutton radial engine into the nose of that sucker. This ultimately lead to the La-5, La-7 and La-9.
I believe that all of these fighters were coming into service when the war kicked off.
-Sik
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
the Tu2 is im not mistaken was early war.
The Tu-2 entered service in 1944. It was fast, manuverable and reasonably tough.
The Tupolev SB-2 was a major early war Russian bomber. Perhaps you were thing of that one.
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Karnak... I'm drunk... Tell me a story about early war Soviet Fighters :)
-Sik
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Yak-1 was also pre-war, as was the I-153.
...though I have to wonder what the heck they used to run yacc, since bison hadn't even been written yet...
:D
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Early bombers include the:
Il-4/DB-7 (same plane, 1938)
SB-2/ANT 40 (same plane, 1937)
TB-3/ANT-6 (same plane, 1933-34 and used later)
Pe-2 (1940)
U-2/Po-2 (biplane, late 20s/early 30s - still in service later)
And as mentioned the I-6 and I-16 fighter/bombers, from the 20s/30s
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In addition at 1941 there were in service:
Ar-2 (dive bomber developement of the SB-2, 2xM-105)
Yer-2 (twin diesel bomber, 2xM-30)
Su-2 (Il-2 competitor, single M-82)
R-10 (light bomber, single M-25/M-62)
Yak-4 (light bomber 2xM-105)
R-5 (light bomber single M-17)
Pe-8 (heavy bomber 4xAM-35 or 4xM-30)
I think there was one twin engined bomber more but can't remember.
gripen
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Finnish Air Force identification manual of Russian aircraft spring 1942:
http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/WW2History-Tunnistus.html
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The Pe-8 was not in service until 1943-44, and saw LITTLE if any bombing. It was a glorified VIP transport.
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Krusty,
The Pe-8 was in service 1941 and took part on those Berlin Raids. One of those Berlin raid Pe-8s crash landed to Finnish coast due to navigation problems and there is pictures of this plane.
gripen
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Grendel! Wow I-16bis (I-180) and I-17... Very interesting album. Thanks.
Anyway speaking about soviet planeset it would be better to put it into 2-year intervals from 1937 till 1941.
Something like:
1937
(http://www.kelsogroup.com.au/Planes/i-15.jpg )
(http://www.kelsogroup.com.au/Planes/i-16_m-25.jpg )
(http://www.kelsogroup.com.au/Planes/sb_m-100.jpg )
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1939
(http://www.kelsogroup.com.au/Planes/i-152.jpg )
(http://www.kelsogroup.com.au/Planes/i-153.jpg )
(http://www.kelsogroup.com.au/Planes/i-16_m-63.jpg )
(http://www.kelsogroup.com.au/Planes/sb_m-103.jpg )
(http://www.kelsogroup.com.au/Planes/db3.jpg )
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1941
(http://www.kelsogroup.com.au/Planes/mig-3.jpg )
(http://www.kelsogroup.com.au/Planes/yak-1.jpg )
(http://www.kelsogroup.com.au/Planes/yak-7.jpg )
(http://www.kelsogroup.com.au/Planes/lagg-3.jpg )
(http://www.kelsogroup.com.au/Planes/su-2.jpg )
(http://www.kelsogroup.com.au/Planes/il-2.jpg )
(http://www.kelsogroup.com.au/Planes/pe-2.jpg )
(http://www.kelsogroup.com.au/Planes/Er-2_m-105.jpg )
(http://www.kelsogroup.com.au/Planes/db3-f.jpg )
(http://www.kelsogroup.com.au/Planes/pe-8.jpg )
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Hrm... I must have been thinking of a different plane, re: Pe-8.
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Aper, great images. What book are you getting them from? I just started reading the Red Star series, translated to english, on Yakolev -- very interesting read for the aviation buff.
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Originally posted by Simaril
Aper, great images. What book are you getting them from? I just started reading the Red Star series, translated to english, on Yakolev -- very interesting read for the aviation buff.
Heh, be careful with that one, it has some great typos-mis-translations. Like on Page 93, middle collumn 5th Para: The Yak-9T proved to be considerably more stable under different maneuvres compared to the Yak-9T..."
:)
It's a good read though.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Simaril
Aper, great images. What book are you getting them from?
(http://www.kelsogroup.com.au/Planes/cover.jpg )
«The planes flown by "Stalin's falcons"» ;)
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aper, does that book have any pics of yak9Us without the grey/light blue color scheme we currently have in AH?
If so, could you post one (or all)?
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The major figter aircrafts were I-16 and I-15 , I-153
The major heavy bomber TB-3
That one
(http://www.internetelite.ru/aircrafts/tb3iz.jpg)
(http://wmilitary.neurok.ru/wwii/tb3.gif)
Yes that were the bombers VVS had entered war with them........
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Originally posted by emodin
aper, does that book have any pics of yak9Us without the grey/light blue color scheme we currently have in AH?
If so, could you post one (or all)?
Emodin, unfortunately there is only one picture of Yak-9u in the book
(http://www.kelsogroup.com.au/Planes/yak-9u.jpg )
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Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. Thanks anyways.