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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Scherf on January 05, 2014, 05:50:52 AM
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Have just come across this 50's era B&W series of films on YouTube. Lots of stiff-upper lip BS about how the Air Ministry won the war, and standard inaccuracies, however some good original wartime footage of both the RAF and the USAAF.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLg6vMJyq8rC5IiVNu4_XTAFEYqUR8dh6s
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Nice find,as if I need more "stuff" to waste my time on!!! :furious
:salute
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Heheh, I know what you mean.
There's tantalilsing little shots of Mossies which, despite my addiction, I'd never seen before.
For example, in this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPv0rZf1EVI&list=PLg6vMJyq8rC5IiVNu4_XTAFEYqUR8dh6s at 3:30-ish, there's a shot of a Coastal Command Mossie in squadron markings I'd never seen before, also seems to have lost the upper part of its canopy.
Bloody learn something new every day...
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great link :aok
The Mossie is from the Station Flight, RAF Moreton-in-the-Marsh. (south of Birmingham).
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Heheh, I know what you mean.
There's tantalilsing little shots of Mossies which, despite my addiction, I'd never seen before.
For example, in this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPv0rZf1EVI&list=PLg6vMJyq8rC5IiVNu4_XTAFEYqUR8dh6s at 3:30-ish, there's a shot of a Coastal Command Mossie in squadron markings I'd never seen before, also seems to have lost the upper part of its canopy.
Bloody learn something new every day...
AWESOME!!!!!
thanks for posting.
The photos at 3:56 are great - so many splashes of rockets and 20mm on the water that the ship completely disappeared in them.
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Yeah, some rather frightening stuff there.
I think the footage at 3:56 is sliced from the attack which also appears from 4:26 onwards, which IIRC is off the Gironde estuary, in western France.
I also think WR-X is from 248 Squadron, before they headed north to Banff, in Scotland. "Mosquito Squadrons of the RAF" says WR is a code worn at one point by 248. Their first sortie from Banff was on 12 September, and there's a photo in Andy Bird's excellent "A Separate Little War", which shows a 248 Mossie with a DM code on the 19th of that month.
LR352, LR362, and LR363 are all listed by Air Britain as having been on 248 Squadron, and LR363 seems to have been X on 15 July. I suppose I'll have to download the Operations Record Book for 248 for July and August to be sure, though the ORBs can something of a minefield if one wants to tie up serials and squadron letters, as I'm finding out to my cost with the 23 Sqn docco.
Edit - The Imperial War Museum has a couple of useful photos.
Mass attack;
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205023331
WR codes:
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205094133
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248 Squadron codes
WR (Oct 1939 - Oct 1943)
DM (Oct 1943 - 1945)
248 didn't start to receive Mossies till Dec 1943.
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stiff upper lip BS???
we did win the AIR war in 1940 single handed you know! :D
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I believe Britian had a bit of help, admittedly not direct combat support but rather materials, from the US even during BoB.
No combatant nation "won" any phase of the War "single handed"....
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248 Squadron codes
WR (Oct 1939 - Oct 1943)
DM (Oct 1943 - 1945)
248 didn't start to receive Mossies till Dec 1943.
Yes, I'm aware of that, however as I've no Mossies listed for Moreton on the Marsh (the only connection being training aircraft of the Central Flying School which crashed there post-war), I'm going with 248, especially as that one is over the water, appears to have battle damage, and has white dots on the spinners, same as other 248 Mossies had.
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I believe Britian had a bit of help, admittedly not direct combat support but rather materials, from the US even during BoB.
No combatant nation "won" any phase of the War "single handed"....
America wasn't a combatant at that time. The US allowed the Brits to buy supplies and equipment, but that's not the same as aiding an ally. Lend-Lease didn't get going until 1941.
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America wasn't a combatant at that time. The US allowed the Brits to buy supplies and equipment, but that's not the same as aiding an ally. Lend-Lease didn't get going until 1941.
Regardless, support even if paid for. Not taking anything away from the Brits, mind you.
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Regardless, support even if paid for. Not taking anything away from the Brits, mind you.
That must mean that the Soviet Union supported Germany in the BoB with all that oil they were supplying!! :O
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Regardless, support even if paid for.
I beg to differ. You can't sell something and call it charity. If you can then America "supported" Germany as well before Britain got involved; most of the trucks carrying German troops into Poland had Ford or GM stickers on them.
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I beg to differ. You can't sell something and call it charity. If you can then America "supported" Germany as well before Britain got involved; most of the trucks carrying German troops into Poland had Ford or GM stickers on them.
Opel was owned by General Motors since 1929 or so... I think. The US was not quick in taking sides and no one knows how longer it would have stayed out without direct involvement had the Japanese not decided for them. OK, it was pretty clear which side the US will support, but they took their time about it - I can understand the reasons though.
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I beg to differ. You can't sell something and call it charity. If you can then America "supported" Germany as well before Britain got involved; most of the trucks carrying German troops into Poland had Ford or GM stickers on them.
I didn't call it charity....I called it support. Are you stating that US supplies prior to Lend Lease were not important to the British war effort?
Sure, you could state that the Soviets were supporting Germany at this stage....because they were in essence ALLIED during the invasion of Poland. "Nonaggression Pact" be damned....both countries were involved in that little effort. And yes, Soviet oil did indeed help Germany's war effort early on.
Stop thinking in terms of black and white....all politics are shades of grey and they are almost always changing. That has been true throughout history...
I doubt I will change either of your minds on this subject and it's not worth arguing over. :salute
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Well, I certainly didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
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I beg to differ. You can't sell something and call it charity. If you can then America "supported" Germany as well before Britain got involved; most of the trucks carrying German troops into Poland had Ford or GM stickers on them.
Well yes an no. The program did not have an "immediate payment" for goods received. If the allies had lost the war nothing would have ever been paid back because the losing side very likely would have ceased to exist and the new regime would have certainly taken no responsibility to pay back any debts for a country they had conquered and assimilated.
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Well yes an no. The program did not have an "immediate payment" for goods received. If the allies had lost the war nothing would have ever been paid back because the losing side very likely would have ceased to exist and the new regime would have certainly taken no responsibility to pay back any debts for a country they had conquered and assimilated.
That is Lend Lease which started after the BoB. During the BoB the Brits were buying 100 octane fuel, but I believe that was pay as you go.
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Yes the 1939 "cash and carry" amendment to the Neutrality Act of 1936 only allowed the sale of material to belligerents, as long as the recipients arranged for the transport using their own ships and paid immediately in cash, assuming all risk in transportation.