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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: jolly22 on January 27, 2010, 06:27:22 PM
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I plan on takin a pole that the "public" (HTC) can name the top 3/4 plans/tanks you want. I will make a graph and then possibly propose the idea to HTC admin.......
Please put the numver and what plane you want ONLY......PLEASE be realistic..No B29, and please confirm that it was used in WW2.
See following reply for EX:
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1.Lagg 3
2.CA-13 boomerang
3.Yak3
4.HE177
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1 Bristol Beaufighter
2 cac Boomerang
3 He 111
4 Ju 52
5 Zundapp K750
6 Harley Davidson WLA
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Its poll. ;)
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KI-43 (only one I want to see)
I rather see an update on stuff like gvs getting flipped by trees, 5 inch guns being UBBER, and 30mm hits that do nothing even with an explosion.
:aok :salute
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Please only comment with planes or GVs no other comments. Thanks you....Just tryign to make it a bit easier for me.
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P-61 Black Widow
M18 Hellcat ( gv )
HE 111
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Please only comment with planes or GVs no other comments. Thanks you....Just tryign to make it a bit easier for me.
Maybe a "other" category? just to make it easier :aok
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Its poll. ;)
LOL i see that now...fixed
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While polls are neat, they are a bit biased. Only a certain amount of people use the forums, or look at the wishlist, therefore you will not be getting a true and accurate representation of the game playing community.
But I'll go with
P-61A/B
He-111
Beaufighter
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1. PBY (with appropriate changes to make it relevant, different discussion).
2. He-111
3. B-2... oh nevermind
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1: Yak-1
2: He 111
3: Pe-2
4: Do 217
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Ki-43
G4M2
Pe-2
Yak-7
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1. HE-111
2. Spitfire Mk IIa
3. JU 52
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1. Ki43
2. He111
3. G4M2
4. Mosquito free of the dampeners!
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He-111
Ki-43
Pe-2
Beaufighter
No particular order
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1. Ki43
2. He111
3. G4M2
4. Mosquito free of the dampeners!
No updates sorry
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1.JU-52
2. prototype gotha bomber lol jk....that C47 model with a 30cal turrent
3.a different anti aircraft gun for us vehicles
4. a german scout vehicle
5. sdfk pak 40 anti tank model
6.P61!
7.britstol beaufighter
8.ME410
9.westwind whirlwind
10.yak-3
but im patient enough to wait until there done with WWI planes :rock
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top "plans" that I would like to see are
1 a26
2 a26
3 a26
4 a26
and If i can throw in another plane just in case lets have the a26.
as for gv's anything that has a bright red color for dr7 :D.
semp
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as for gv's anything that has a bright red color for dr7 :D.
semp
No No No, then you'll feel even worse when the firetruck kills you. :lol
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Please put the numver and what plane you want ONLY......PLEASE be realistic..No B29, and please confirm that it was used in WW2.
1: PBY Catalina in Black Cat configuration
2: Douglass A-26 Invader
3: B-29
You can throw out the last one. Point I'm trying to make is if you're going to ask what people want, don't limit their choices. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean everyone (and I stress everyone) shares that point of view.
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109G-10
Britstol Beaufighter
B-29
Me-410
He-111
P-61
A-26
Kawasaki Ki.45 Toryu "NICK"
Kawasaki Ki.100
Nakajima Ki.49 Donryu "HELEN"
Morane-Saulnier MS.406
Marcel-Bloch MB-152C
Curtiss Hawk 75A-2
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Albatros D.Va
Lagg-3
Whirlwind
S.E.5a
G4M
5 choices because I want to stand out just like everyone else. And, I want to add to the WWI plane list before it is even out. :D
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Top Planes and Tanks I would like in the game.
1. He-111
2. M3 Stuart Tank
3. Panzer III Ausf H
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SM.79....about time the Italians are given something that has bombs.
PzKw-III/j1......tired of friggin' T-34s in EW.
Ki-27....nobody will appreciate it, but is needed for SEA stuff
MiG-3.....'cause I'm tired of hearing yak-yak-yak & la-la-la !!!
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HE-111
Do.217
Beaufighter
Ki-43
G4M2
Pe-2
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1.Gloster Meteor
2.Mig-3
3.Spitfire Mk II
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F-16
A-1
B-52
Nook
:banana:
wrongway
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F-16
A-1
B-52
Nook
:banana:
wrongway
:rofl
Aircraft
1. He-111
2. Ju-52
3. Beaufighter
4. G4M2 Betty
5. Fw-200 Condor
6. Fiat CR.42 Falcon
7. Gloster Gladiator
8. SM. 79
Ground Vehicles
1. Crusader III
2. Matilda II
3. Panzer III Ausf J
4. M4A1 Sherman
5. Sd.Kfz. 234/2 Puma
6. BT-5
7. BT-7
8. Comet I
I could name SEVERAL more planes and tanks, but this will do for the time being. :aok
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German pocket battleship with a 2 ship destroyer escort
PBY with a surface search radar in the pilot's instrument panel(12 nautical mile range) and torpedo's.
Merchant ship convoys of about 5-6 ships.
Pocket battleship hunts the CV group. PBY hunts the battleship group and merchant group.
This might make the PT more relevant as well.
That's all
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Ki-43
A6M-3
P40-N
SB2C
G4M
Mig-3
Somebody mentioned merchant ship that or maybe troopship?
:rock
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This ol' Royal Navy ship's cat wants a purrfectly pukkah Pusser's Flying Machine to roam about in, so here's my list:
1. Fairey Swordfish Mk.I
2. Fairey Swordfish Mk.II
3. Fairey Swordfish Mk.III
RATOG for the second two Marks, please.
:cool:
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Ki-43
Spit 7
Yak 3
DUKW
M-18
TU-2
PE-2
Meteor
P-61
Ok I am outta breath.... :x
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Ki-43
LaGG-3
G.50
D 520
Yak-1 (come on...Yakolev was awarded an actual CAR (of his own) for this series...we should start at the beginning)
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1. A-26B
2. A-26C
(3. XA-26F for jokes, since it had a jet in the back and could reach 435 mph. Think of it as a counterpart to the RV-8, but with 14 .50 cals in it [like some other A-26 variants] :D)
Sorry for being difficult, but aside from the last one, these honestly do represent my opinions at the moment.
EDIT: Also, bear in mind that the people who post here will not be a representative sample of everyone who plays this game. This poll will probably be heavily biased towards those people who enjoy more difficult planes, not those who just want some fast action in the game - that sort of player will probably have a preference towards faster, late-war rides, and perhaps won't have a forums account.
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Ju87/G2
CAC Boomerang
P-39L/M
Yak3
P-61B
Ant-62
Me-410
Hs-129
A-26C
Mustang Mk1a <perk>
Yak-6
and on and on
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1. spit mk XII / Optional Wing types C,E etc and boost settings for 1944-45 spits
2. yak 3
3. russian bomber tu-2 , pe-2
4, something japanese Ki43 oscar or g4m2 betty bomber
5. mossie needs to be pimped bigtime, unleash the speed / variants
Not asking for much, this list I would guess HTC could do in 2-3months if they put their backs into it. :aok
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KI-84lb
A-26
HE-111
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1. Ju87's with twin 37mm bust me some tanks muuuuhhhahaahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. Me410
3. HE111
4. BF110 with the 37mm
"fixed"
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1. Ju87's with 37mm bust me some tanks muuuuhhhahaahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. Me410
3. HE111
Do not forget the 37mm on the 110. Nothing better then seeing 20-30k B-17 or B-24 go "BOOM" with one shot.
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I plan on takin a pole that the "public" (HTC) can name the top 3/4 plans/tanks you want. I will make a graph and then possibly propose the idea to HTC admin.......
Please put the numver and what plane you want ONLY......PLEASE be realistic..No B29, and please confirm that it was used in WW2.
See following reply for EX:
But that's just the thing. Poll our playerbase and the #1 picks will be the B-29, A-26, or P-51H.
Anyway, my top 3 are:
G4M
Ki-43
He 111
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But that's just the thing. Poll our playerbase and the #1 picks will be the B-29, A-26, or P-51H.
And if those were added and a new poll were done it might look like P-61, SB2C and PBY Catalina. Basically, a poll in the MA will always pick American aircraft. The only non-American aircraft that might win a poll contest are already in the game.
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Ju87/G2
Ju 87G-1 would be a better choice, all it would entail is adding the 37mm gun package to the existing D-3 without having to create a new plane.
ack-ack
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I would like to add 1 more thing to my previous list.
Previously stated
1. He-111
2. M3-Stuart Tank
3. Panzer III Ausf H
and new addition
4. Gloster Meteor
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I would like to add 1 more thing to my previous list.
Previously stated
1. He-111
2. M3-Stuart Tank
3. Panzer III Ausf H
and new addition
4. Gloster Meteor
Oh no you didn't! :uhoh
http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=a62ce201f2faf028473747cce6fd8415 (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=a62ce201f2faf028473747cce6fd8415)
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A slow early war bomber like one of the following, because EW scenarios need a bomber the fighters can actually catch. Also any one of these could sub for one of the others a lot better than the Boston or Ju 88 could.
He-111
G4M
SM 79
Wellington
Il-4
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We need Japanese planes for the Special events. They are very under represented with only five planes to pick from. I wouldn't mind if the next 6 planes were Japanese. And I like the He-111 and the Pe-2 as the only other not Japanese contenders. Here is my list.
Ki-43
G4M
Ki-44
Ki-21
A6M3
Ki-100
With a tie for the Ki-84Ib and the J2M in last. :rock
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We need Japanese planes for the Special events. They are very under represented with only five planes to pick from. I wouldn't mind if the next 6 planes were Japanese. And I like the He-111 and the Pe-2 as the only other not Japanese contenders. Here is my list.
Ki-43
G4M
Ki-44
Ki-21
A6M3
Ki-100
With a tie for the Ki-84Ib and the J2M in last. :rock
double post or crossed eyes....opps
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Oh no you didn't! :uhoh
http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=a62ce201f2faf028473747cce6fd8415 (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=a62ce201f2faf028473747cce6fd8415)
BLAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!! i love the ending!!!!!!!! LMAO
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Oh no you didn't! :uhoh
http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=a62ce201f2faf028473747cce6fd8415 (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=a62ce201f2faf028473747cce6fd8415)
hahahahahahahhahahaha see rule three I'm locking this thread hahahahahahahahahha
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Beaufighter VI "Fighter bomber"
Beaufighter TX "Torbeau"
Aussie built Beaufighter 21 "rocketBeau"
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Ki-43 "Oscar"
G4M "Betty"
Ki-45 "Nick"
D4Y "Judy"
Ki-44 "Tojo"
HE-111
Pe-2
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G.55
J2M
KI-44
Do217
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Thank you everyone for your cooperation. I will narrow down the choices today. No more additions please
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That is a tad sudden. If anything, you should let it run for a week. 2 days isn't a whole lot of time. There are likely more people who would put in their choices as well. Some folks don't bother going online during a work week for various reasons, and won't see this until today, kind of thing. As most folks have a Saturday/Sunday off type of schedule, it would probably be best to leave this up during the weekend. Try compiling the data on Monday. You may or may not have more postings, but it would be SLIGHTLY better than what is currently up now.
Just a thought on it.
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We're already up to 47 planes....I don't want to get to high......Plus I'm going to narrow it down to the top 25 planes chosen. And then go from there.
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I don't even have to tally up the numbers to tell you what the top 3 were:
ki-43
G4M2
He-111
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I don't even have to tally up the numbers to tell you what the top 3 were:
ki-43
G4M2
He-111
If you did'nt tally the numbers then how did you come up with those three? :uhoh
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You've never heard of subconscious calculation? Why, you're using it right now.
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1) P-63 C5 with 58 rounds of 37mm, up to two 500lbs or droptanks and 6 rockets
2) P-63 A10
3) P-63 A9
:D
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Poll back on!!! keep the wishes comin in!!
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Yak 3
m-18 hellcat
ar 234 night fighter with forward guns.
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If you did'nt tally the numbers then how did you come up with those three? :uhoh
Just scrolling through the posts those were the 3 I saw more of. I got halfway through the first page and had a top 5 list but by the time I got to the second page I forgot what the other two were.
Just went through out of curiosity and here are the top 5:
1.) He-111 with 17 votes
2.) ki-43 with 12 votes
3.) G4M2 with 11 Votes
4.) Beaufighter with 10 votes
5.) Pe-2 with 7 votes
5.) Yak3 with 7 votes
If everyone wanting some form of a Yak would consolidate on one type of yak, then they would have 10 votes for a new yak (yak3 most popular variant)
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A-26
B-29 Wit eh big nookie!!!
P-38F
HE111
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My 5 would be the:
Ki-43 "Oscar"
G4M2 "Betty"
D4Y2 "Judy"
Pe-2
M-18
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If everyone wanting some form of a Yak would consolidate on one type of yak, then they would have 10 votes for a new yak (yak3 most popular variant)
Voting for a Yak-3 is nothing like voting for a Yak-1 or Yak-7. You can't pretend that it is the same. You're suggestion is like telling people asking for a Spitfire Mk I or Spitfire Mk V to consolidate on asking for a Spitfire Mk XVI.
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Voting for a Yak-3 is nothing like voting for a Yak-1 or Yak-7. You can't pretend that it is the same. You're suggestion is like telling people asking for a Spitfire Mk I or Spitfire Mk V to consolidate on asking for a Spitfire Mk XVI.
I realize this... I apologize for making an assumption. After initial rounds of polling the yak-7 and yak-1 would have been eliminated via HiTech's polling methods and I assumed people would defer to the yak-3.
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Hurri2C perked in the EW,
M5 stuart tank,
PBY float plane,
I'm sure theres more I could name.
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I realize this... I apologize for making an assumption. After initial rounds of polling the yak-7 and yak-1 would have been eliminated via HiTech's polling methods and I assumed people would defer to the yak-3.
What about the yak-6 :mad: :airplane: :joystick:
Perfect little transport <we have 1 flying> with arms... you know when you get to town and 2-3 builds have popped up... excellent. It meets the requirements easy.
"Conceived as a light utility transport, the twin-engined low-wing Yakovlev Yak-6 was largely of wooden construction and flown for the first time in June 1942; it had retractable tailwheel landing gear and accommodated two crew and four passengers. An NBB (or short-range night bomber) version had external racks for five 100kg bombs under the fuselage and provision for a single 7.7mm ShKAS machine-gun, but the Yak-6 could also be equipped to carry stores or freight (including a 500kg external load) or for use as an ambulance aircraft, glider tug or close-support aircraft carrying 10 RS-82 rockets. Often flown with the main landing gear units locked down, the Yak-6 was also used to supply partisans, and by 1944 most operational units had one of these aircraft to ferr y personnel between bases. Production totalled about 1,000."
Oh I guess you didnt mention it :D
(http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/photo_albums/images15/31.jpg)
(http://military.sakura.ne.jp/world/others/yak6.jpg)
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I realize this... I apologize for making an assumption. After initial rounds of polling the yak-7 and yak-1 would have been eliminated via HiTech's polling methods and I assumed people would defer to the yak-3.
I think that most people who wanted the Yak-1 or Yak-7 would simple abandon asking for a Yak at that point. Certainly for me that would be the case.
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Ki43.
It's ridiculous that we don't have the Oscar, being the plane responsible for most of Japans air to air victories.
My list is summed up in this thread.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,282254.0.html
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So how's that poll coming Jolly?
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top 3 are still the top 3, keep them coming
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Fighters Bombers
G 55 Pe 2
Ki-43 SM-79
Beaufighter G4M2
IAR 81C Wellington
Boomerang D4Y2
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Yak 3
Yak 1
Yak 7
Pe 2
Lagg3
La5 F
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add one to my old list
yak 6
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<S> All,
My 2 cents, for what is worth:
Fighters Bombers
MS-405 He-111
D-520 G4M2
Curtiss 75/Mohawk SM-79
Fiat CR-42 Pe 2
Ki-43 Blenheim
Cheers,
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Fighters Bombers
Beaufighter HE 111
Ki-43 SM-79
Boomerang G4M2
G 55 Wellington
Whirlwind Pe 2
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<S> All,
My 2 cents, for what is worth:
Fighters Bombers
MS-405 He-111
D-520 G4M2
Curtiss 75/Mohawk SM-79
Fiat CR-42 Pe 2
Ki-43 Blenheim
Cheers,
:aok
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P-61
DO-217
He-111
DO-335
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Tanks
New addittion
M4-A4 Sherman Tank
Crusader Mk. II
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1 HE-111
2 HE-111
3 HE-111
4 HE-111
5 HE-111
6 HE-111
7 HE-111
8 HE-111
9 HE-111
10 HE-111
11 HE-111
12 HE-111
13HE-111
14 HE-111
Think thats about it........
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minke
I honestly believe you forgot to add the He-111, the He-111 AND the He-111. :rofl
jolly22
I believe now would be the time to tally the votes. :aok I believe the top 5 planes and tanks (including any ties), should be posted. Mind you, HTC staff won't even give this a 2nd thought. :lol It was still fun to see what others would like to see added. Some did not surprise me at all, while others brought up aircraft that I honestly didn't expect to be mentioned. The Ki-45 Nick was one such plane and I was completely surprised that someone posted it. I was thinking about this plane when I made my post. Now I sit here, telling myself, "Dang it... I should have posted it when I thought about it.". :lol
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minke
I honestly believe you forgot to add the He-111, the He-111 AND the He-111. :rofl
jolly22
I believe now would be the time to tally the votes. :aok I believe the top 5 planes and tanks (including any ties), should be posted. Mind you, HTC staff won't even give this a 2nd thought. :lol It was still fun to see what others would like to see added. Some did not surprise me at all, while others brought up aircraft that I honestly didn't expect to be mentioned. The Ki-45 Nick was one such plane and I was completely surprised that someone posted it. I was thinking about this plane when I made my post. Now I sit here, telling myself, "Dang it... I should have posted it when I thought about it.". :lol
Sounds good to me, I'm busy for te next couple days, but ill do a little bit everyday and get back to you guys.
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I believe now would be the time to tally the votes. :aok I believe the top 5 planes and tanks (including any ties), should be posted. Mind you, HTC staff won't even give this a 2nd thought. :lol It was still fun to see what others would like to see added. Some did not surprise me at all, while others brought up aircraft that I honestly didn't expect to be mentioned. The Ki-45 Nick was one such plane and I was completely surprised that someone posted it. I was thinking about this plane when I made my post. Now I sit here, telling myself, "Dang it... I should have posted it when I thought about it.". :lol
Hey Volton, you'd be suprised what HTC gives 2nd thoughts to. There have been quite a number of additions and game changes that have come directly from Wishlist posts. You never know then the HTC crew may be lurking... :noid
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S.M-79
He-111
G.50
Ju-52
Do-217
Yak-1
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G.55
ki43
yak3
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Yak-3
JU-88
HE-111
and a late war Japanese plane. I understand people want the 43, but it would just bne fore MW and events, I doubt people will actually fly them in the LW arena unless they are going for a challange.
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Yak-3
JU-88
HE-111
and a late war Japanese plane. I understand people want the 43, but it would just bne fore MW and events, I doubt people will actually fly them in the LW arena unless they are going for a challange.
ummmm....we already have to JU-88....sorry
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1 HE-111
2 HE-111
3 HE-111
4 HE-111
5 HE-111
6 HE-111
7 HE-111
8 HE-111
9 HE-111
10 HE-111
11 HE-111
12 HE-111
13HE-111
14 HE-111
Think thats about it........
I second that
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It's funny how I mention that it's probably time to tally the figures this time, and more planes show up. :lol There was 2 days of inactivity towards this topic, hence why I said something. Maybe it just needed a push to the top (though I wasn't bumping the topic), so more folks would see and post.
Knite
I remember reading in some of the threads, that the HTC staff use to post planes and had people vote in which would get added next. They stopped doing that however, which I can understand. Don't get me wrong, I am hoping that the top 3 planes and tanks are the next to be added as a result of this wishlist poll. More so, I'm hoping it's the top 5. Almost every plane mentioned, would be an awesome addition to AH. Their are the obvious few that wouldn't get added and the B-29 will have to wait. :aok :lol
valad94
He still forgot the He-111, the He-111 and the He-111. :cry :rofl
It won't be easy to remove the He-111 from the #1 spot. :rock
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i havent heard much about anyone wantig a kfz 222 or any stugs or SPs... but ill go with the M18 Hellcat, a towed by jeep 105mm and maybe a churchill or cromwell (crusader would work too but the cromwell was a better tank). add stugs and SPs and scout armored cars after all that. oh and planes... those too
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<S> Brother BAR... Only thing about the Stug is the turret. It wouldn't have a low ENY value and only those of us that can drive & shoot will use it. On the other hand, there was a boatload of StuG III's out there during the war and SHOULD be in the game.
i havent heard much about anyone wantig a kfz 222 or any stugs or SPs... but ill go with the M18 Hellcat, a towed by jeep 105mm and maybe a churchill or cromwell (crusader would work too but the cromwell was a better tank). add stugs and SPs and scout armored cars after all that. oh and planes... those too
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<S> Brother BAR... Only thing about the Stug is the turret. It wouldn't have a low ENY value and only those of us that can drive & shoot will use it. On the other hand, there was a boatload of StuG III's out there during the war and SHOULD be in the game.
<S> llogan, been a while mate. but the thing is is that the stug IV was used more in Normandy than Pnzrs and id think to put a low eny cuz of the no turret...
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Yeah I said that a little weird, I meant StuG would be like ENY30. Is that what you mean too?
(my sugar is low, can't think right now) :x
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haha thats approx what i meant :lol
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Word!
But the Churchill aint a bad idea either........ You may be on to something!
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ehh. chruchill was more of a heavy IST
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How much longer untill you make the list?
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1. Beaufighter
2. M-18
3. A-26
4. HE-111
AND
The Sheep
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Reply 100,
1. Sheep
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Reply 100,
1. Sheep
SHEEEEEEEEP!!!!!!!!! SHEEEP!!!! :rofl kiw da sheeep!
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1. Bf109-G6/AS
2. Ki-43
3. Beaufighter
4. HE-111
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where are the graphs???? :headscratch:
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ITALIAN CANTIERI MONFALCONE BOMBER
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Sorry guys, school is getting rough, final exams are here, im working on it, slowly but im working on it.
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Final Exams... in February?
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next fighter should be A-26
next attack aircraft should be A-26
next bomber should be A-26
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next fighter should be A-26
next attack aircraft should be A-26
next bomber should be A-26
Cobia...WE need the A26..not you :P
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Boomerang
Bristol Beaufighter
He 111
Ju 52
Harley Davidson WLA
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Final Exams... in February?
yes, 2 semesters.
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Mitsubishi J2M Raiden
Heinkel He111
Mitsubishi G4M Betty
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Fokker D.XXI
Reggiane Re.2002
Fiat G.50
Dewoitine D.520
Morane-Saulnier M.S. 406
Nakajima Ki-43
Nakajima Ki-27
Ju-87G (?) with the big anti tank cannons
In no particular order.
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Jolly I hope you do not mind my hijacking your thread here, I am particularly interested in seeing something.
Here are the Results of the top 34 (all those with 3 or more votes).
Aircraft Votes
He-111 29
Ki-43 19
G4M2 16
Beaufighter 13
Pe-2 12
Yak3 10
A26 8
P61 7
Boomerang 6
Ju-52 6
M18 6
Do-217 5
Lagg-3 4
Me-410 4
Panzer III 4
PBY 4
SM-79 4
Yak-1 4
Crusader III 3
D.520 3
D4Y 3
G.55 3
J2M 3
Ju87-G2 3
Ki-27 3
Ki-45 3
M3 Stuart 3
Meteor 3
Mig-3 3
Spitfire MkII 3
Wellington 3
Whirlwind 3
G.50 3
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I started a new thread narrowing down the options
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,283802.0.html