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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: kesolei on September 03, 2003, 04:22:16 PM
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If someone is bent on being a milkrunner, y'aint gonna stop them. Not unless you disable troops, and I just can't see them doing that full-time.
Most everyone in the CT has milkran at some point or another. Of course there will be people who want to say, "I HAVEN'T!" well, good for you- We'll start building your glass house next week. The rest of us, however, can continue on as we were.
I'm really getting kind of tired of everyone's constant complaining about milkrunning. It happens. Get used to it. It likely aint gonna stop anytime soon.
Not everyone likes to fly 24/7. I don't, seeing the words, "SYSTEM: Shane shot you down." 6 times in a row, for some reason, puts me in a slightly-less than happy mood and I don't particularly want to up again and make it 7. I've done it, but that's beside the point. Its nice to just roll out a GV and take a break. Go pork an out of the way base people aren't using at the moment and move on. It we take troops over: Fine. We took a base. Whee.
If people would prefer to hit .ef than fight, oh well. They're a chicken ***** and you likely wouldn't have enjoyed the fight anyway. Scare them off then go do something constructive, or play a nice game of follow the milker and just keep scarin' 'im off. If they're the only person on, well.. there are public channels for reasons, ask them if they wouldn't mind fighting. Only don't do it in a Shane-esque manner, because I'm sure as most of you have noticed his bedside manners leave something to be desired on occasion. (But yes, he can be a nice guy too.. but I doubt he wants that getting out. It'd ruin his reputation.)
We're all adults here, right? And the younger folks around here, while they aren't adults neccessarily... are pretty mature. Well, okay. Mature to the same level. Ahem. Anyway, point is... we /should/ all be able to bend a little and just learn to accept the fact that there are going to be milkrunners.
No one's duct-taped your rear-end to the chair, you are allowed to get up and go do something else if what's happening right then doesn't agree with you.
Flame on! Because I know I'm gonna get it for this post, but... kinda wanted to say something for awhile. Maybe someone will listen. Who knows. :)
(Disclaimer: I AM NOT PERFECT. There will be no need for people to point that out in the following replies. I know and realize this, I've milked- I've yelled at people for milking. I've gotten upset about the roster being uneven, and a load of other things. No one's perfect, and by no means do I expect you guys to be. Its part of your charm, I think. Just tone the whinning down some. ;) )
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milking doesn't bother me per se; it's the unadultered taking of bases during the wee hours by a few on certain maps that mess it up for others when they log on later.
as i think stream (?) mentioned if people wanna milk bases w/capture, why not simply take a base, switch sides, take it back, switch again, ad infinitum ad nausea?
oh yeah, and milking hq.... that's a bigggggg no-no.
i mean jeez, what good are perkies for the most part anyway? and rank?? you know who you are.
altho personally, i don't see why those who milk and hit .ef at the slightest whiff of opposition simply don't fly offline where they face zero risk, or use the TA.
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".ef" doesn't work online in the CT. I bet you're thinking "alt F4."
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Originally posted by Arlo
".ef" doesn't work online in the CT. I bet you're thinking "alt F4."
sigh... so many clues.... so few willing to take them.
/.ef works very, very well when you're in a gv. alt f4 is what it takes if you're in the air - unless you auger in before the baddy gets close enough to get a proxy. disco = death, so there's no difference bewteen an auger/alt f4. i'm sure some might even try to land for a capture/ditch.
95% of the "milking" is done by gv weenies/score potatos.
the other 5% do it for a break, as kesolei indicated.
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Ok, whats .ef?
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Originally posted by Shane
milking doesn't bother me per se; it's the unadultered taking of bases during the wee hours by a few on certain maps that mess it up for others when they log on later.
You have to remeber that it may be the wee hours for you but for some people it's prime playing time, either due to work hours or living in different parts of the world.
Playing in Aus I wish we could switch to smaller maps during US early morning hours: 87 people on the big maps isn't much fun.
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Originally posted by Shane
sigh... so many clues.... so few willing to take them.
Relax, Oopsy ... no need to act offended then try to impress me. Not everything is a slam at you, buddy. You just think it is. :D
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Originally posted by kesolei
Most everyone in the CT has milkran at some point or another. Of course there will be people who want to say, "I HAVEN'T!" well, good for you- We'll start building your glass house next week.
I would like mine to be located next to a lake, preferably under some tall pine trees, in a northern climate.
- oldman
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The thing that really sux is the moron who always porks the damn radar.
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Originally posted by najdorf
The thing that really sux is the moron who always porks the damn radar.
It's rarely bad enough to worry about, bombers need to bomb, it's their function. You want them to have healthy mental outlooks don't you? Bombing bases is not as satisfying (except in Finland) as bombing a variety of targets, need diverse targets--like in Finland.
I have never hit an HQ in CT, probably not in the MA either, but if it was close and I was bored and wanted to watch buildings go off, I might.
does that make me a bad person? I certainly hope so. I do think that if people do not like it, they should spend time on interdiction as opposed to just furballing and whining that they aren't getting any furballs. I do mostly furballing but I do a great deal of interdiction of milkers. It is quite rewarding to catch a guy who thought he was going to get away with it all. Something thrilling, like the actual war, about it.
To me though, whining about milking . . .well . . .it's their game too, you gonna make people give up HOs? In some setups, the HO is a fearsome tactic because one side has an advantage in weaponry, toughness or both. I mean is being HOd by one guy when you are furballing 2-5 on 1 any worse than a milkman? Not in my book, in fact, since Bombing's function is to destroy materiel and capability as efficiently as possible, I tend to think that gang bang HOs and vultches are by far the bottom feeding behaviors in the CT. We have entire squads that live for the Gangbang HO. I think they are pooling their funds to invest in a volume discount vagina installation. Here's hoping it all goes horribly awry, but I digress. [an aside: oh please God, let some weiner wagger demand that I name names, please, I haven't denied a dillettante in days now]
Hey, get a fighter or Ostwind, up at the base/nearby and kill the milkster. If he persists, bomb his base--or vultch his ass. Make wee-wee on his carcass. Taunt him and fart in his general direction. Who cares anymore, the subject's been beaten to death.
I have dibs on strafing/bombing Oldman's new house o'glass. If he does not want that to happen, he should fly CAP on it.
Sakai
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First.. if someone attacks a base away from all the furball activitiy.. while the enemy is concentrating on one particular area.. this I call Stealth... and sound tactics.. in real warfare.. Stealth, misdirection, and deceiving the enemy along with hiding your activity is all part of warfare.
That being said.. if there are players on both sides in the CT.. and someone runs an attack on a field away from the action.. that is not milkrunning... Folks should have been paying attention.
However when the guys like Norad and Wraith come in during the early hours while the CT is empty.. and start taking bases...to me that is just plain stealing. and unfair.
During times when both Sides are in the CT and fighting and taking bases and losing bases... both sides are fighting hard, to the victor goes the spoils.. but then just to have someone come in and steal the bases back..during off hours is plain unfair.
I am not saying I have never done this because I have. Early during my "AH career" , I was guilty of doing this a few times.
However it dawned on me that what I was doing was in my opinion unethical and unfair to the players that had been fighting hard during normal hours.
I stopped this activity a long time ago. From that point on.. if there were no Axis in the CT.. I would strafe or bomb an airfield just for the practice.. but I would not capture it.
After awhile I stopped even coming in if there was no one to oppose me.
While AH will not do anything about this sort of activitiy.. we as a community need to police ourselves and not condone such activity by others.
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Originally posted by eta32
First.. if someone attacks a base away from all the furball activitiy.. while the enemy is concentrating on one particular area.. this I call Stealth... and sound tactics.. in real warfare.. Stealth, misdirection, and deceiving the enemy along with hiding your activity is all part of warfare.
Quite true.
I am not saying I have never done this because I have. Early during my "AH career" , I was guilty of doing this a few times.
Shame, shame that's your name . . .
I wouldn't wait by the mailbox for an invite to dine on duckling and streudel at Holy Saint Oldman's new glass house, not with an admission like that. Might keep that off your resume too.
But then, I'm going to milkrun it to hell some AM before it's finished anyways.
While AH will not do anything about this sort of activitiy.. we as a community need to police ourselves and not condone such activity by others.
Just get the female family members to contribute skirts for them to wear while they do it. Then they can hang with their gang banging HO newly installed vagina nancy boy pals and call over channel one "Whazzup sista girlfriend!" And all can feel they are part of something bigger and more special than their own sociopathies and neuroses.
But we shouldn't mention these things, lest we embarass or offend anyone, so we'll simply pretend we never had this talk ok?
Yours in Milkrunning angst,
Sakai
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Originally posted by Sakai
Quite true.
Just get the female family members to contribute skirts for them to wear while they do it. Then they can hang with their gang banging HO newly installed vagina nancy boy pals and call over channel one "Whazzup sista girlfriend!" And all can feel they are part of something bigger and more special than their own sociopathies and neuroses.
I'm still trying to decide whether or not to be offended by that for my fellow female members of the world, or just start laughing at the thought of some of these guys running around in skirts and calling "Whazzup sista girlfriend!" over com 1.
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Originally posted by Sakai
But we shouldn't mention these things, lest we embarass or offend anyone, so we'll simply pretend we never had this talk ok?
You know, you guys slay me. In real war, the very BEST time to attack is when everyone else is asleep. Just think of the Paoli Massacre, or San Jacinto, the battle that gave Texas back its manhood. Launching a major operation when the enemy is in the sack is as close to a perfect sim as you can get.
You guys think this is a game or something? Get real! Lives and fortunes depend upon what we accomplish here.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
You know, you guys slay me. In real war, the very BEST time to attack is when everyone else is asleep. Just think of the Paoli Massacre, or San Jacinto, the battle that gave Texas back its manhood. Launching a major operation when the enemy is in the sack is as close to a perfect sim as you can get.
You guys think this is a game or something? Get real! Lives and fortunes depend upon what we accomplish here.
- oldman
Yes, it's slaughter when Mexicans do it, manliness when Texans do it. That's why you and I don't do it despite its efficiency: we are not Texans.
I thought Paoli was about PCBs????
My war cry from now on: "Remember A4!" We'll show them.
Sakai
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Originally posted by Sakai
Yes, it's slaughter when Mexicans do it
Yes, does the Battle of Goliad ring a bell? Or that fact that at the Alamo it was a few thousand vs. a little over a hundred? Yes, they were both slaughters. San Jacinto was a brilliant military victory. And yes, I AM a Texan.
Let's go to A4 for now. Move along, nothing to see here.
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San Jacinto was a brilliant military victory. Oklahoma is next:D
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Originally posted by Slash27
San Jacinto was a brilliant military victory. Okalahoma is next:D
As an Aggie fan I cannot comment on such. All I can say is goodluck and beat the helloutta OU.
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FARKIN HELL!
You guys STILL "pissing and moaning" over this crap. :rolleyes:
Get you finger out and just get on with it and fly!
The CM's have explained to you 100 times that it is no big deal and easy to fix. No major harm done if they want to fly and capture a base on the far side of the map. Not everyone likes to "Furball" at one particular spot.
GEEZE this sounds like a damn room full of 3 year olds! If this is all it takes to get you up in arms maybe you need a break from the game. Go mow the yard or kick the cat.
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Dammit, Jester .. keep up. If you ain't got sumpin' to say about Texans or Mexicans then you ain't keepin' up with the change of subject. Unless ... of course ... you're trying to get this thread back on course so you can beech about it still being typed in. :D
Oh ... yeah .. and dead hour milkers who reset and pork the map suck. ;)
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Jester,
Well said. Some people will and some won't. who cares...
Have ya'll gotten any feedback on the days it took 15 troops to capture a base? As one who participated in what I agree with ETA were "stealth" missions and some would call milkrunning, the requirement of 15 to capture definitely made the mission more challenging.
I think 15 should stay. Would definitely keep 1 person from taking a base and getting troops in to capture and if 1 did in this time, he damn sure deserves it.
Fireof59
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Yea Fire, I think it went over well. Had good feedback from many on the test. From now on ALL of my set-ups will take 15 Troops to capture a field.
However, The other CM's want to keep it flexable depending on the map - which is their perogitive.
Arlo, as for Texas, they ain't seen a battle like is coming when the Razorbacks show up to play football. Gonna make the Alamo look like a Sunday Outing. WOOOO PIG SOOOIE! :D
How is that?
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Stop Thief!! (chuckle)
Yeah, Ima milkrunner I've stolen my way across the pizza map in the MA with 475 dweebs up. I am in it for the realestate and I will take any base any which way I see fit. I will either defend a base or take a base. If I am taking a base it is logical to take bases that are not currantly being heavily defended. Or neighboring bases to either split the front or push the front back.
You wanna stop me you must do what I do to stop you. pork front line barracks or wait for me. I am always happy to fight anyone who will up to defend. Either way it is a two way street and everybody does it. If you don't milkrun then you probably like to beat your head against solid objects as well. Another point is if there are 27bishops and only 6knights to defend not all 27 bish will hit only one base. No, if history is a lesson they will hit 3 to 4 bases thinning the defence out even further. Thus even in numbers milkrunning is a part of the game.
Fo rthe weak and feble who auger or f4 out while on their milkrun I say these are they who have no pride in themselves.
Why milkrun? simple logic and strategy.
(wanna know a secret? sometimes milkrunning is a faint!):D
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BTW 15 troops on a town will not stop milkrunning. It does make it a bit tougher but it won't stop it. It is really easy to hire a wingman to run a goon along side yours. For that matter you can just go the the MA and find someone who will wingya goonies.
Now if ya wanna stop milkrunners try 25 troops:D
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I dont think stopping milking is needed but the 15 troop thing does slow down the blitz sometimes just enough for somebody to interdict. My biggest ***** about the milking is the guys who keep hitting the neutral bases. I realize you guys mention it in the MOTD, but some just keep on.(maybe try a neon sign?) Probably just newbies but they wont stop even when their own countrymen tell them too. Is there any way to make the ack and flak more intense at the neutral bases, or will that effect the whole arena?
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As an Aggie fan
Aggies?:rolleyes: You wackos make the Branch Davidians look like the Cleavers:D
Just a joke Diablo, dont drive up here and shoot me:D
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Unfortunately, at present the coding and tables don't allow us to do what I think would work to stop people from hitting neutral bases.
If we could, I'd set the auto gunner lethality to 100 (maxed out) for all neutral bases, or just ones that need to be left alone, and let them beat their heads on the wall trying to figure out what is happening.
As it is, we can't, so all we as CT staff can do is look in the arena each morning and undo what the milkers did overnight. Gotta be careful about it too.......changing a base from bishop to knight or vice versa can have devastating effects on players at those bases......;) .
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Originally posted by Jester
Arlo, as for Texas, they ain't seen a battle like is coming when the Razorbacks show up to play football. Gonna make the Alamo look like a Sunday Outing. WOOOO PIG SOOOIE! :D
How is that?
Well ... BBQ beef is better but if they's shippin' in pork ... wth ... bet we can put a sauce on it. ;)
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Originally posted by eddiek
Unfortunately, at present the coding and tables don't allow us to do what I think would work to stop people from hitting neutral bases.
If we could, I'd set the auto gunner lethality to 100 (maxed out) for all neutral bases, or just ones that need to be left alone, and let them beat their heads on the wall trying to figure out what is happening.
As it is, we can't, so all we as CT staff can do is look in the arena each morning and undo what the milkers did overnight. Gotta be careful about it too.......changing a base from bishop to knight or vice versa can have devastating effects on players at those bases......;) .
At the risk of making an historical map just a tad bit ahistorical:
Take the bloody neutral bases and stick em 12 sectors away from everyone .... at the top of a 50k mountain .... with 50 aaa and ack emplacements. It'll be the black hole everyone ignores and won't hurt immersion ..... hopefully. :D
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at the top of a 50k mountain .... with 50 aaa and ack emplacements.
Thanks Eddie. How about Arlos idea? Is there a limit to the amount of AAA guns you can place?
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That is up to the map builders, not us.
We use the maps that are available, but we have no influence after release on where or how many AAA guns are available, or where the neutral bases are put on the map.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Well ... BBQ beef is better but if they's shippin' in pork ... wth ... bet we can put a sauce on it. ;)
Why do they barbecue beef in Texas you ask? Well, as everyone knows, you can't steal a pig and ride a horse at the same time.
Sakai
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Originally posted by Sakai
Why do they barbecue beef in Texas you ask? Well, as everyone knows, you can't steal a pig and ride a horse at the same time.
Sakai
Neh .... not really too many "pig ranchers" in Texas. Do you guys ride Shetlands to herd `em? :D
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Actually Arlo, Bud Adams, owner of the ex-Houston Oilers now Tennessee Titans made his money in pig farming. Wierd huh?
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Hmm... is that a Mexican cat I'll be kicking? Don't really want to kick a Texan cat, they got nasty sharp teeth, heheh.
Milkers... eh, who cares... next?
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Actually Arlo, Bud Adams, owner of the ex-Houston Oilers now Tennessee Titans made his money in pig farming. Wierd huh?
Is it a PIG RANCH[/b][/size]? Huh? No? Didn't think so. ;) :D
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A pig ranch? No. A pig rancher? A resounding YES!!!
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
A pig ranch? No. A pig rancher? A resounding YES!!!
Not even a rancher. Reality. ;)
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Well, no not here, maybe in Arkansas!!
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Oh .. wait a sec.
Dead hour milkrunners who play RISK and pork the CT map suck. ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Neh .... not really too many "pig ranchers" in Texas. Do you guys ride Shetlands to herd `em? :D
Somthing about having to explain it to Texans that makes it that much funnier.
Sakai
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Originally posted by Sakai
Somthing about having to explain it to Texans that makes it that much funnier.
Sakai
Neh ... came off more as a joke developed by those who have trouble figuring out a voting ballot. ;)
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As for a couple posts above by certain "individuals" who will remain nameless, from a certain "geographical location" that will also remain nameless....
ARKANSAS BEATS TEXAS 38 - 28 !!!!
"HOW BOUT THEM HAWGS !!!!"
WOOOO PIG SOOOIE !!!! RAZORBACKS !!!!
I told you guys it was gonna happen..... :D
eh, Arlo - I will take my "Long Horn" Steak Well Done with Heinz 57 sauce please.... ;)
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Originally posted by Jester
eh, Arlo - I will take my "Long Horn" Steak Well Done with Heinz 57 sauce please.... ;)
Don't come to me for it. Best go lookin' for a Longhorn fan. ;)
Silly Arkies ... can't figure out there's more than one major university in Texas ... just cause there ain't more than one in Arkansas. :D
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Hmmm.......seem to remember lowly Arkansas State (rated 118 out of 117 schools ;) ) giving the uggies a game a couple of weeks ago :D
GO HOGS!
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Originally posted by BlkKnit
Hmmm.......seem to remember lowly Arkansas State (rated 118 out of 117 schools ;) ) giving the uggies a game a couple of weeks ago :D
GO HOGS!
Oh ... ya'll got 2 now? :D
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Oklahoma is next
All I can say is: "Would the last American to leave FLORIDA please bring the flag !!"
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Originally posted by BlkKnit
Arkansas State (rated 118 out of 117 schools
Sounds like someone needs to take a remedial math course, if they teach that in Arkansas.
"Ok, both shoes are off, now I can count!"
Hehehehe....
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okay, at this point i just have to ask...what's any of this have to do with the price of eggs in china? :D
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(http://www.sfi.com.sg/media/img_logo.gif) Click for price of eggs in China (http://www.sfi.com.sg/)
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AHEM. Getting back to the topic, I'm running this map with 15 troops per base capture. I'm hoping this will help the quiet hours dweebing that happens. It takes more than just a one or two dweebs. :)
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What the HELL is wrong with good old AMERICAN eggs Tuck!
You wouldn't be one of them leftwing, liberal, pinko, Commie Bastages would you?
Get the tar and feathers boys, we gonna have some fun! ;)
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You guys are all absolutely priceless.