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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: FLOOB on January 26, 2014, 08:57:10 AM
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Does anybody own one? Has anybody tried one yet?
http://flightsimcontrols.com/store/joysticks/
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I will answer your question only after you put a clean shaven picture up.
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It must be pretty good...they are out of stock across the board
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The cobra is in stock. I'd like to know how much the gametrix throttle cost but I can't find an English language site for it.
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I'd like to know how much the gametrix throttle cost but I can't find an English language site for it.
1399 rubles, as far as I could understand of the Russian site. Why can't they type letters everyone would understand? :furious
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"no propitiatory drivers are required; truly plug-n-play"
pro·pi·ti·a·to·ry
[pruh-pish-ee-uh-tawr-ee, -tohr-ee]
adjective
1.
serving or intended to propitiate.
2.
making propitiation; conciliatory.
pro·pi·ti·ate
[pruh-pish-ee-eyt] Show IPA
verb (used with object), pro·pi·ti·at·ed, pro·pi·ti·at·ing.
to make favorably inclined; appease; conciliate.
Think they meant proprietary?
And 'Fat Black Mamba?' Erm.
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They sell upgrades so you can pimp the fat cobra.
(http://flightsimcontrols.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Fat-King-Cobra-MkIIw.jpg)
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Ad appears to be written by in Esperanto and translated by Google Translate :old:
The names are smashing :)
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The Mambas are all sold out, only the 46 euro basic model is available according to the site.
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I have the Fat Black Mamba. I was one of the lucky ones to order early. I like it better than the Warthog. It is a bit smaller but very well balanced. No need to bolt it down. The x, y axis is extremely precise. The configurator software was a bit confusing at the beginning but I got it now. No center play at all. Love the rotaries. Very happy with it and looking forward to the Warthog grip adapter. :banana: :banana: :banana:
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So you have a CH stick, a warthog and a black mamba? May I ask why?
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So you have a CH stick, a warthog and a black mamba? May I ask why?
That's just how Mongo rolls.
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That's just how Mongo rolls.
Mongo only pawn... in game of life.
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I am 58 years old. Been playing with flight simulators since they first came out. Atari ST, Amiga then PC. I have enough joysticks to start a museum..lol. Right now I am using the Warthog throttle, VKB Mamba joystick and Saitek pedals. My other favorite controller setup is all CH. And yes, that's how Mongo rolls. :aok
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Uh-oh, Bart. I think Mongo here's taken a liking to you.
Edit: Mongo have great big toy box. :old:
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I am 58 years old. Been playing with flight simulators since they first came out. Atari ST, Amiga then PC. I have enough joysticks to start a museum..lol. Right now I am using the Warthog throttle, VKB Mamba joystick and Saitek pedals. My other favorite controller setup is all CH. And yes, that's how Mongo rolls. :aok
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If I buy one will I turn into a Commie :cry
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How's the quality of the VKB sticks?
ack-ack
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I cannot comment on longevity yet. The metal finish is nice. The plastic handle is light but also well finished. All my buttons, hats and dials work flawlessly. I checked everything with the diagnostic tools they provided. I initially could not get the pinkie to be recognized and noted it was mapped to the keyboard m. Seems like someone was playing with it and forgot to set it to default. That was easy to fix once I figured out the configuration tool. It came with two extra springs (I believe of different tension of the ones already in) and two Allen type wrenches to mount the grip and to take it apart if need to. When you move the joystick around it feels like the CH joystick with the four corners but a bit stiffer. Not as bad as my old Warthog which I have dismantled several times and finally screwed up by cutting the spring in half (way too much btw). I guess if you are heavy handed you can clamp it or bolt it down. I just don't want to mess up the nice black finish of the base place with shiny metal trim. :D
I still have more to tinker with. (PA Dutch thing)
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Does it have force feedback?
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I send them an email with couple questions.... and still no answers...
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I send them an email with couple questions.... and still no answers...
Have you tried their forum?
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Have you tried their forum?
yep no luck there...
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i like the look of the stick and all the switches and buttons but it's tooo rich for my blood :joystick:
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A friend of mine who plays IL2 CLOD and Rise of Flight has the Cobra, which is currently going for 46.00 euros on the VKB Europe site and is in stock. I think he said he paid around 30 euros for shipping. It's a nice piece of kit but nothing I'd give up my current CH Fighterstick and Throttle for.
AFAIK none of the VKB sticks have force-feedback.
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The mamba is not FFB. As a FFB junkie, I know of no currently produced sticks that are. :cry
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The mamba is not FFB. As a FFB junkie, I know of no currently produced sticks that are. :cry
Have you considered trying to get an old MS FFB2 sidewinder from eBay? That was the only FFB stick I ever owned and it was very nice. I sometimes regret getting rid of it.
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If these sticks are any good CH will lose a lot of business :old:
Due to the fact their quality control has ceased to function because the company is now french :old:
My brand new throttle needed to be put together when it arrived :old:
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If these sticks are any good CH will lose a lot of business :old:
Due to the fact their quality control has ceased to function because the company is now french :old:
My brand new throttle needed to be put together when it arrived :old:
Did you buy it from IKEA? :lol
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For those interested in these sticks it looks like the new Black Mamba will be available 2Q of 2014. Looks like the Thrustmaster Warthog adapter and handle extention kits are now available as well.
http://flightsimcontrols.com/2014/02/black-mamba-availability-and-new-kits/ (http://flightsimcontrols.com/2014/02/black-mamba-availability-and-new-kits/)
I am thinking about buying one of these things. They look very nice.
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R U sure this is a Russian company?
They seem to be on the ball :old:
And they are giving the customer what they want :old:
A colonial must be giving them business advice :old:
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Looks like you can reserve one from the new batch.
Hmmmmm.
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The only thing that is keeping me from hitting the purchase button is that it's Russian made. If the Russian's can't build a toilet that can flush toilet paper, can I expect them to make a good, quality joysticks?
On the other hand, if I was in the market for an ejection seat, I'd buy Russian.
ack-ack
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:rofl
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The only thing that is keeping me from hitting the purchase button is that it's Russian made. If the Russian's can't build a toilet that can flush toilet paper, can I expect them to make a good, quality joysticks?
On the other hand, if I was in the market for an ejection seat, I'd buy Russian.
ack-ack
that wasn't the toilet, that was the sink..thats way you should not splash your face with the water.
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So far after a couple weeks my Black Fat Mamba is working flawlessly. I am ordering 2 adapter kits for the Warthog grip since I will be ordering a second one. So far the best joystick I ever had but would like the F-16 type buttons/hats arrangement. I don't know how the Warthog grip will affect the balance of the joystick though. :D
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So far after a couple weeks my Black Fat Mamba is working flawlessly. I am ordering 2 adapter kits for the Warthog grip since I will be ordering a second one. So far the best joystick I ever had but would like the F-16 type buttons/hats arrangement. I don't know how the Warthog grip will affect the balance of the joystick though. :D
Any center play with the stick? Any sign of spiking? I would not think you would see that as the Mamba uses an advanced hall sensor rather than a pot.
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X52 stick uses hall effect and is poor :old:
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X52 stick uses hall effect and is poor :old:
X52 is Saitek. Nothing more need be said. :D
Nothing wrong with pots as long as they are quality ones.
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No center play, no spiking....none..... :rock
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The only thing that is keeping me from hitting the purchase button is that it's Russian made. If the Russian's can't build a toilet that can flush toilet paper, can I expect them to make a good, quality joysticks?
On the other hand, if I was in the market for an ejection seat, I'd buy Russian.
ack-ack
They may claim it's Russian but fact is it's made in China,a friend of mine just happened to be there last week! I had told him about the stick and knew he went all over the place so I said next time your in China check to see if you can find a VKB stick.
So the other night he told me he was there,where they make them but was unable to purchase any sticks as they only had manufactoring rights! If you read the shipping imfo it states the sticks will be shipped from China ,for some reason,simply because they are made there.
I'm not saying that the VBK isnt a quality piece,dont get me wrong,I'm just saying they are made in China and not Russia! I was hoping my buddy could grab a couple and save us both a few bucks,but I guess I'll wait to see how they stand up after 6 months to a years.
I purchased a warthog when they first came out and was pleased but the JS messed up in the first couple weeks and now that the warranty is up the throttle gave up so I grabbed a ch to replace it. I hope to find a local shop to fix the warthog throttle.
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They may claim it's Russian but fact is it's made in China,a friend of mine just happened to be there last week! I had told him about the stick and knew he went all over the place so I said next time your in China check to see if you can find a VKB stick.
So the other night he told me he was there,where they make them but was unable to purchase any sticks as they only had manufactoring rights! If you read the shipping imfo it states the sticks will be shipped from China ,for some reason,simply because they are made there.
I'm not saying that the VBK isnt a quality piece,dont get me wrong,I'm just saying they are made in China and not Russia! I was hoping my buddy could grab a couple and save us both a few bucks,but I guess I'll wait to see how they stand up after 6 months to a years.
I purchased a warthog when they first came out and was pleased but the JS messed up in the first couple weeks and now that the warranty is up the throttle gave up so I grabbed a ch to replace it. I hope to find a local shop to fix the warthog throttle.
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just because they are manufactured in China does not mean that they are chines , almost everything today is manufactured in china , whats count is where the technology is developed.
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Well I am kinda in between
http://www.saitek.com/x55/
and FBM ....
I know the saitek will have slightly less quality but it features the hall sensors and comes with rudder and much cheaper...
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---he was there,where they make them but was unable to purchase any sticks as they only had manufactoring rights! --- I was hoping my buddy could grab a couple and save us both a few bucks,---
Many items are manufactured in China for companies from other countries, but getting them straight from the production line may not be the cleverest thing to do although it may save some bucks at that moment. For what I've heard, the workers often sell the products from the rejects bin as an addition to their small salary. They may even sell them as "new, unused items" on Ebay. Recently I bought a fan for an older MacBook via Ebay directly from China. The original Mac-part would have been a three digit sum even without mail, the Chinese company sent it me for about five bucks total! I must say the item wasn't shiny and unscratched like one would suppose... So be careful when buying something at the factory backdoor!
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Many items are manufactured in China for companies from other countries, but getting them straight from the production line may not be the cleverest thing to do although it may save some bucks at that moment. For what I've heard, the workers often sell the products from the rejects bin as an addition to their small salary. They may even sell them as "new, unused items" on Ebay. Recently I bought a fan for an older MacBook via Ebay directly from China. The original Mac-part would have been a three digit sum even without mail, the Chinese company sent it me for about five bucks total! I must say the item wasn't shiny and unscratched like one would suppose... So be careful when buying something at the factory backdoor!
Bizman,
I know what you're saying but my friend didnt go to pick 1 up out the back door! He is an airline cpt. and flies all over the world. We were talking about joysticks because his warthog had messed up too and I mentioned the VBK stick to him and that I thought it was made in China.
He said he was just there the week before and why didnt I tell him sooner/// :bhead
So he happened to be there on the weekend,maybe friday or thursday but since he was on a stop over he had time to check into the VBK,wearing his captian's uniform got him into the manufactors door and he got to check it out. So he asked if he could purchase a unit and was told no,they didnt have the rights for that.
Too bad I thought we could both save some on shipping and maybe cut out a middle man or 3 but that was not the case. He wasnt looking to get a second,I'm positive he can afford to buy the best and money isnt an issue for him it was simply a fact of being there and giving it a shot!
Personally I like the look of the VBK,I like that I can mount my warthog handle on it but I think I'll wait for awhile before I pull the plug and order one.
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Morf, think about you not getting those sticks without a middle man as a positive thing. Had they sold your friend one after saying they have no rights to sell, the item would likely have been from their waste bin. But of course it would have been handed in a nice box with a receipt saying it's a $20 sample given as a gift to fool the customs authorities.
Sounds like that Chinese factory was run by true Christians. And when you've all stopped laughing, I have to tell that Christian Asians have a much higher working moral than the so called Christian American or European workers. They live according to their religious standards like we did a few hundred years ago.
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Morf, think about you not getting those sticks without a middle man as a positive thing. Had they sold your friend one after saying they have no rights to sell, the item would likely have been from their waste bin. But of course it would have been handed in a nice box with a receipt saying it's a $20 sample given as a gift to fool the customs authorities.
Sounds like that Chinese factory was run by true Christians. And when you've all stopped laughing, I have to tell that Christian Asians have a much higher working moral than the so called Christian American or European workers. They live according to their religious standards like we did a few hundred years ago.
I understand Bizman,it was one of those nothing ventured nothing gained things!
My friend happen to be in China and had a layover so he had time to kill,I think if he didnt have his captains uniform on he likely wouldnt have gotten in the door!
As I said,I think I'll wait awhile before I pull the trigger on buying 1,a couple bucks here or there wont make a difference. I would have still had to pay for my friend to ship it to me,we just thought since it was sold out it might be an easier or quicker way to grab a couple!
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well I ordered my ch rudder pedals today, so now i have enough time until april to deciede between fbm and x55 rhino...
btw i asked the pricing for vkb rudders and they come up with a price around 300-400 euro... way too much...
below is the response i got from them:
Dear sir,
This is a confirmation for your pre-order: [Fat BM, VKB rudder pedals]
No pre-payment is required. I will reserve the items for you and as soon as they arrives I will inform you.
Please, note that the price for VKB rudder pedals may vary. I expect that a price will be between 300-400 euro for full-metal version with MaRS sensors and toe breaks. But it is still unclear and very much depends on production cost.
When items are available, you can pay via website using paypal or bank transfer.
Thank you !
Best regards,
Eduard
VKB FSC Europe
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I understand Bizman,it was one of those nothing ventured nothing gained things!
My friend happen to be in China and had a layover so he had time to kill,I think if he didnt have his captains uniform on he likely wouldnt have gotten in the door!
As I said,I think I'll wait awhile before I pull the trigger on buying 1,a couple bucks here or there wont make a difference. I would have still had to pay for my friend to ship it to me,we just thought since it was sold out it might be an easier or quicker way to grab a couple!
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I figured you knew it, but I just had to double check it as a warning for those who might fall for those back door bargains! :salute
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well I ordered my ch rudder pedals today, so now i have enough time until april to deciede between fbm and x55 rhino...
btw i asked the pricing for vkb rudders and they come up with a price around 300-400 euro... way too much...
below is the response i got from them:
Dear sir,
This is a confirmation for your pre-order: [Fat BM, VKB rudder pedals]
No pre-payment is required. I will reserve the items for you and as soon as they arrives I will inform you.
Please, note that the price for VKB rudder pedals may vary. I expect that a price will be between 300-400 euro for full-metal version with MaRS sensors and toe breaks. But it is still unclear and very much depends on production cost.
When items are available, you can pay via website using paypal or bank transfer.
Thank you !
Best regards,
Eduard
VKB FSC Europe
Toe breaks? Sound painful
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I've owned the Black Mamba for about 3 months now. Great stick and an excellent compliment to my Warthog. I do not as yet have the adapter to allow the Warthog stick to connect to the Mamba base but plan to order one when they come back in stock.
Some key points:
1.) Good quality product. The handle is plastic but the base is aluminium and is well designed.
2.) The electronics are plug and play. No drivers required.
3.) The gimble system used is excellent. No center play at all to date and very smooth.
4.) The stick action is light and extremely precise even with the stronger springs installed (you get two sets of springs standard). The action is so light and precise it may effect your gameplay until you get used to it.... especially if you are coming from using the Warthog stick. I also found I needed to turn up stick damping significantly within Aces High for the X and Y stick axis to counter this.
Overall I'm very happy with the product. I've been using it more in Rise of Flight lately but was happy with how it preformed within Aces High.
Hope that helps.
Fulcrum
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Thanks for the report Fulcrum, I'm leaning towards this as my next upgrade.
Salute
Steely