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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: 10Bears on February 26, 2003, 05:36:01 PM
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Lighten up on the Checkertails...
We'll think of something to counter them with.. Don't want to scare them away from CT.
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it'd be nice, and would do them a world of good, to see them in LW planes now and then.
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Well I am sure they value your opinion..., but likely they are pleased flying what they want to.
more power to them.
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Originally posted by -ammo-
Well I am sure they value your opinion..., but likely they are pleased flying what they want to.
more power to them.
they'll continue to be limited and not reaching their potential by doing so.
but .
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What the HELL did we do now??? :rolleyes:
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Nothing Andj.. Clear Skys ;)
About 35 of yas wanted to jump my bones bad.. so I'm thinkin' y'all fly tues 10pm est is that right?.. Almost always allied?..
Hmmm..
Tuesday night "The Shield" is on.. Damn..
Finns! Finns!... tell your boss Wed morning at 9am.. you gotta go home right away and fight the Checkerturds..
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OK 10Bears...Tks.
Our squad nights are Tue & Thur at 10:00 pm EST.
When our represented squadron birds (P-40, P-47 & P-51) are available you will most likely find us flying them. That was the point of forming the squadron.
Also you will most of the time find the "Checkertails" on Fighter/Bomber missions to hit targets importaint to the enemy. We don't just look for the nearest "Furball" to jump into. We try to fight our way in and fight our way out.
No, we don't always fly ALLIED. To help out the CT and do our part we fly Japanese in the PTO scenarios and Russian in the Eastern Front Set-ups. Seems most fly the oposite sides during these events so we try to pick up the slack.
As for Shane's comment about us "not being well rounded" because we are not constant side switchers and fly Luftwaffe planes - though many of our pilots are still green I would put them up against any in the game. As for a few of us - we flew in the Luftwaffe Squad JG-51 MOLDERS in WARBIRDS for over two years. JG-51 was the #1 squadron in WB's about 5 times and was constantly in the top 5 and top 10.
My suggestion to you Shane is that if you don't like the numbers - then you do what we did. Get off your can - set yourself up a LW squadron - actively recruit and train your pilots to a high standard and set out to make a difference in the CT. Constant whineing and squeaking won't get you jack.
10Bears - don't worry, the Checkertails aren't about to leave the CT any time soon. We like it and call it home.
BTY Luffies - something else for you to worry about. We are talking with a full-time Bomber Squadron from the MA to bring them over to the CT so brush up on you interception skills - life is about to get move interesting! :D
Lastly, 10Bears - we are offended by the term "Checkerturds." We prefer "Wafflebutts." ;)
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Originally posted by Andijg
BTY Luffies - something else for you to worry about. We are talking with a full-time Bomber Squadron from the MA to bring them over to the CT so brush up on you interception skills - life is about to get move interesting!
Call me what you will, but I'm not sure that what the CT needs is a lot more bombers.
- oldman
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Let's face it guys. If it weren't for us you'd have few to fight and no one to complain about. You'd be fighting MA rejects and the "30 days free" wonders.:)
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Keep your name Oldman. "What you will" just doesn't suit you....lol.
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Naw bring on the bombers Checktails we'll find somethng to counter it with...
Oldman of course we want more bomber guys.. what are you thinking!
Checkertails... don't mind that young man over there ;)
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Originally posted by Andijg
My suggestion to you Shane is that if you don't like the numbers - then you do what we did.
what? find a group of 5+, grab to 30k over own base and dive to acks when in trouble hoping some other group of 5+ will drop down from their own 30k to save me?
i'll check into it.
:D
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Lol...Once again my point is proven. Thanks Shane
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see how helpful i am? :D
my real point is that i want to see you guys get good enough to be able to handle yourselves when you find yourself in a situation where there *isn't* help readily available.
there's not many sweeter victories than winning a 1 on 1 or 1 on 2 from a disadvantage. hell, even surviving a ton of passes from a 4,5,6 on 1 w/o getting a kill is a victory in itself. it's also slightly amusing, yet annoying.
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Salure Andi and the Checkertails and thanks for flying Japanese when we have the Pacific setup, never make everyone happy we hear it when we have the Hellcat and the Corsair and that is what we fly when they are in the CT, we switched to LW Tues night so didnt fly the bomber mission with ya that would have really had em screamin. Lets do another squad vs squad in the DA soon, that was a riot, and doesnt overbalance the sides on tues and thurs, that should make em happy. Just let me know when and what time.
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getting a kill is a victory in itself. it's also slightly amusing, yet annoying.
We, the "Checkertails", are not here to entertain you. We are here to entertain ourselves. If you want to shoot at us then shoot. We are here to plan a mission, Attack group with Escorts, to destroy ground targets and RTB. Escorts are there to protect us. If they, the escorts, choose to engage 10 vs 1, thats the cons problem.
As far as flying allied......I flew in an LW squad in WBs for a few months, flew in an allied squad a little less than a year, then flew the A6M3 for THREE YEARS. I even started AH in the Zero.
Warbirds Squads
20th F.G.
350th Squadron
JG-51
27th Sentia
18th Sentia
AcesHigh Squads
27th Sentia-sister squad to WBs
325th Checkertails
My Favorate Fighter is the F4U which I never get to fly cause we fly IJN during PTOs.
my real point is that i want to see you guys get good enough to be able to handle yourselves when you find yourself in a situation where there *isn't* help readily available
Shane this seems to be a situation you get into quite often. When are you going to get good enough to kill everyone and RTB?
i generally make ridiculous remarks when on the receiving end of an unnecessary 3-4-5-6-7+ on 1. that's just.... silly, but hey, it's "smart" lol.
Shane's words!!!!!!!
Bear76's quote:
No one questions shane's abilty. We all have been on the receiving end of his kills. It's the ridiculous remarks he makes when he gets killed that annoys everyone. I've also seen his better moments, however it's those negative things people remember most. He could be a real positive influence in AH, but seems to prefer the role of villian. And sadly, such will be his legacy.
10beras and the rest of the CT players; If our mission is to capture, we will vulch untill its captured. If we are boming an airfield, our escorts will protect us (ie vulch etc), however if we are not capturing I asure you we will not be hanging around long to rack up on so called "scorewhoring" vulch kills.
During non-squad nights, some of us fly formation while others furball.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Shane this seems to be a situation you get into quite often. When are you going to get good enough to kill everyone and RTB?
hard to when i have to use so much gas flying to *your* bases all the time.
i do alright in 1,2,3 vs me... it's when teh 4,5,6th come screaming down for a cheap kill (disrespecting the 2 or 3 already engaged with me) that i find annoying... it's amusing when those 4,5,6th guys get all bold on ch1 about it, lol.
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I havent been here very long, but all I hear out of shane and not only shane but a few more is annoying comments, and whining about gang banging . Well all I got to say about the comments is my mother allways told me to look over stupidity, so I'm just gonna look over shane and the other inconsiderate folks that talk about us in th CT, and about the gangbanging. We are just looking out for our fellow squad mates, if you dont like it then just dont fly in on us and expect to shoot one of us down ang get away with it, its just that plain and simple,cause we are not gonna leave the CT and we are going to have our squad nights as usual.
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Shane? Who's Shane? Never heard of him...just kidding. I guess the best spin you can put on this is now you know what the real LW went through towards the latter half of the war. That is why they get such a high respect from the air combat crowd. Not to down play what the Allied pilots did, namely the Brits during the BoB, but the LW did a hell of a job with what little they had. My hat is off to them. I think that one day we will fly the LW as, like a lot of people, they have been faves of mine for a long time, the FW-190 in particular. But since we are modeled after a real American fighter group from that time period, you can understand why we fly Allied so much of the time. Personally, I am looking forward to switching sides more often just to shake things up a bit.
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Originally posted by Shane
hard to when i have to use so much gas flying to *your* bases all the time.
Let's see ... up, grab alt, perform dive bombing run, strafe targets of opportunity, return to base as quickly as possible so that you can do the same thing again tomorrow.
That's standard tactical procedure, even for the most modern of air forces. It works. Get in fast, strike fast, get the h-e-double-toothpicks out fast.
My Kung Fu instructor teaches exactly the same methodology for self defense. Even Sun Tzu sings it's praises.
It works. It's worked for all of the great aerial aces, from Von Richthoven and Rickenbacker, to Boyington, to Yeager, to todays 4th Tactical Fighter Squadron, stationed just up the road from me at Hill Air Force Base.
what? find a group of 5+, grab to 30k over own base and dive to acks when in trouble hoping some other group of 5+ will drop down from their own 30k to save me?
The other thing the great aces of the past all have in common is teamwork. They all flew in a squadron, with a specific assignment for each mission, and each was tasked with keeping close track of a wingman.
Now, it may not be in what you see as the spirit of the game in AH. Some of us aren't as into furballing as some of you are. Some of us just aren't as good at it yet.
I, for example, have been flying AH for a whole whopping month.
I have the advantage of being a private pilot, with some high performance and aerobatic experience, but I have zero experience with air combat, and flying a sim bugs the daylights out of me because I'm not getting any kinesthetic feedback from my chair (anybody whos ever piloted a real plane will tell you that you don't get in it, you wear it).
I'm getting better at the air combat aspect of things, but let's face it, it's going to take me a long time to get up to your standards of dogfighting. It takes time and experience. Fortunately this is a sim, and getting shot down in AH doesn't carry the permanent consequences of the real life counterpart.
Maybe, when you see our big blob of yellow dots headding out on a mission, you might consider getting together your own squad, and forming an intercept mission.
Rather than upping by yourself and diving into the middle of our mission, where our CAP flight is waiting to pounce on you, and then complaining about being "gangbanged" ... you could employ some small group tactics of your own against our small groups. (Buzzing a flight of 4 109s in on our cap, to draw them away from the 47's, who will then be pounced on by the other 4 109s who were hiding in the radar ground clutter for those big, slow, heavy juggs to come down to the altitude where the 109s will stomp all over them, for example.)
There's more to being a great pilot than being able to wax everybody else's tail 1 on 1, or even 2/3/4 on 1. Teamwork and group tactics are as much an integral part of air combat as individual fighting skill.
The greatest quarterback in the world can't win a football game if he doesn't have a good offensive line, and some good receivers to pass the ball to.
All we're doing as the Checkertails is trying to build BOTH individual skills, AND team skills.
Try it some time, you might like it. :)
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Great post DeMann. <
> Alot people share that same view. Kinda sad people cant just shut up let people enjoy the game instead of pissing and moaning because you wont fly like they want you too.
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kinda hard to enjoy 63-21 odds. and actually that comment was directed in general, some of you guys guiltily felt you needed to hump my ankle about it. < shrug >
call me when these supposed individual skills (building battling?) manifest themselves.
til then... lemming on!
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*Hands Shane a box of tissues for his tears.
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Originally posted by Shane
kinda hard to enjoy 63-21 odds.
I agree with this. Seems odd to me that anyone would want to fly on the side that has such a huge advantage, or why anyone would want to run an overwhelming-power mission in a game where you play against real people. But I guess that's all part of the squad thing.
As to the "hey, it's good tactics and helps win the war," I am tempted (but only tempted) to say, "Take it to the MA. That's where the win-the-war crowd goes to play Virtual Napoleon." However, on balance, the fact is that I would rather have you guys in the CT, even if you do make it tough to be a flyer for the other side. Beware of the possibility that this sort of thing will kill the CT. Not all of us are willing to face that kind of odds, and it does no one any good to drive people away.
- oldman
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I have wittnessed the mass destruction of the Checker Tails. I must say impressive team work. Keep up the good work. It will only force the opposite side to come up with a solution.
I also dont mind the the overwhleming odds of 2-4 vs. 1. ( 5 - 6 does seem rediculous ) I think it hones the SA to the upmost and has Shane said there is no better feeling then to know that you took some with ya or even just survived it. However I am also bewildered when this happens and 4 guys are on your 6 only have the next group of friendlys come in and wax them. It makes more sense to let 2 take on the one and have the others cap the fite. Again more a matter of personal preference. Its your dime do what ya want w/it.
Jospe
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Originally posted by Shane
Ooooohhhhh, touchy, touchy!!! *Hands Shane yet another box of his most favorite tissues, Kleenex with aloe vera.
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Originally posted by Shane
kinda hard to enjoy 63-21 odds.
So, you want even odds?
Go do what Lowe did: Hit the TA, find pilots with promise, recruit them into your squad, start training them, and take them on missions. Build your own team, and then square them off against ours.
call me when these supposed individual skills (building battling?) manifest themselves.
Dogfighting isn't the only skill of combat pilots. It's also not the only capability to design an aircraft around. Just take a look at the modern US air force.
Would you go out in an A-10 to try and dogfight an F-16?
If you would, you're an idiot. The A-10 is a tank buster, always has been, always will be. It sucks as a dogfighter.
The F-16 is a purebred dogfighter. It was designed as a daytime short to medium range scramble interceptor. It's since been bastardized to do long range intercept and even light ground attack missions, but if you really want a fight-in, fight-out ground attack plane, pick the F-15E or the F/A-18, cuz that's what they're built for. Oh, and the pilots of A-10s, F-16s, F-15s, and F/A-18s also receive vastly different training, and employ vastly different individual and group tactics ... based directly on their airframes and the missions they were designed to perform.
til then... lemming on!
What, you'd rather everyone fly and fight exactly like you do? Now that would be a lemming mentality.
I've been assigned to a ground attack squadron, flying a ground attack airplane. Therefore, I fly ground attack missions on squad nights. Some of you call them "Milk Runs", but try it yourself sometime ... it takes skill and practice to drop those bombs on exactly the right spot, the auto-ack can be killer, and WideWing and the0xman are seriously dangerous in an M16 or FLAK GV (and awfully hard to take out!).
On non-squad time, I'm in the TA, in interceptor and air superiority aircraft, working on learning their handling characteristics and flight envelopes, developing my SA and improving my dogfighting tactics. Eventually I'll start learning the ins and outs of flying a heavy bomber.
I intend to learn *all* of the planes in AH, and I intend to master them all. I realize that will take time, and needs to be approached one plane at a time ... but it will make me a better, more complete, and more well rounded pilot.
After all, if the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
For now, my mission for my team is to become a master at ground attack. We also have people specializing in flying air superiority, and eventually I will also learn that role, in order to become a more valuable asset to my team.
So how about, instead of complaining about how the Checkertails run their team, why not go out and build your own team? Go to the TA and the MA and recruit people. If you want to build an interceptor wing, recruit people who like to dogfight, like you do.
Instead of complaining about how uneven the sides are on our squad nights, why not DO SOMETHING about it by building your own sqaud to even things up?
I'm sure there's plenty of people who would love to fly with you in an organized squad, with regular training by someone with your skill and experience. You could have the whole CT crawling with little Shanes. (Scary thought :p )
My point is, that you can either keep griping about the uneven sides, or you can do something about it.
I find that doing something about a problem is vastly more fulfilling than just griping about it.
I challenge you.
I challenge you to build your own squad to even up the sides in the CT. I challenge you to broaden your horizons and become a leader. I challenge you to hone and improve your skills by teaching newbies to become great dogfighters (after all, if you REALLY want to learn something, you teach it :) ).
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Originally posted by DeMann
So, you want even odds?
Dogfighting isn't the only skill of combat pilots.
What, you'd rather everyone fly and fight exactly like you do?
I've been assigned to a ground attack squadron, flying a ground attack airplane.
Instead of complaining about how uneven the sides are on our squad nights, why not DO SOMETHING about it by building your own sqaud to even things up?
My point is, that you can either keep griping about the uneven sides, or you can do something about it.
I challenge you to build your own squad to even up the sides in the CT.
I challenge you to hone and improve your skills by teaching newbies to become great dogfighters
(after all, if you REALLY want to learn something, you teach it :) ).
1. precisely even odds? no. relatively even, in a *game*, in which side switching is nearly umlimited and the general practice to prevent serious imbalnances? yeah.
2. try not and confuse the game with real-life. in real-life 5 guys out of 7 chasing one low baddie just ain't gonna happen if there's any semblence of military discipline.
3. like me? everyone? not saying "fly like me" saying... learn enough to be at least a decent stick so you can give a good account when that situation arises. also, 2 or 3 more coming into a fight when there's already 2 or 3 on one guy is simply... silly.
and weak.
4. nothing wrong with be a well-rounded pie-let. keyword: well-rounded.
5. it's hard enough to attract people into the CT as it is and i have no particular desire to run a squad. you still don't get it about having way lop-sided numbers isn't much for for anyone. did your horde enjoy beating up an empty airfield and town with no opposition? you could have taken 4 bases at once with 5 people each, instead of one empty base with 20 people milling around just hoping to see something moving.
6. why don't *you* do something about it?
7. see # 5
8. i do teach, i do offer tips, you'll find me doing it in the DA or even MA/CT at times when things are relatively quiet.
9. who's teaching *you* to become a good dogfighter? i don't mean a good little borg, either.
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Originally posted by Shane
1. precisely even odds? no. relatively even, in a *game*, in which side switching is nearly umlimited and the general practice to prevent serious imbalnances? yeah.
2. try not and confuse the game with real-life.
Perhaps you should take your own advice here. Lighten up, dude!
in real-life 5 guys out of 7 chasing one low baddie just ain't gonna happen if there's any semblence of military discipline.
You're right, and we're working on it. Unit cohesion, like anything else, must be practiced, and takes time to develop.
4. nothing wrong with be a well-rounded pie-let. keyword: well-rounded.
And just how well rounded are you Shane? All I've ever seen you do is shoot people down and then either gloat or complain about it.
5. it's hard enough to attract people into the CT as it is and i have no particular desire to run a squad.
Well, then, maybe someone with a smaller ego and a higher level of maturity will take up the challenge.
you still don't get it about having way lop-sided numbers isn't much for for anyone.
Oh, I get it alright. But all your squeakin and moanin only makes us .squelch 1.
I agree that it would be a lot funner if the sides were more even, but that would mean dividing our squad, and defeating the purpose of having a squad to begin with.
Let's face it, if our squad would have been flying LW last night, the numbers would have been just as lopsided, just in the opposite direction.
did your horde enjoy beating up an empty airfield and town with no opposition? you could have taken 4 bases at once with 5 people each, instead of one empty base with 20 people milling around just hoping to see something moving.
Actually it was quite enjoyable, and we were most definitely NOT unopposed. We lost a good number of our planes to a couple of guys in FLAK vehicles.
Each of us had a specific target, a particular hangar or set of guns to neutralize. We each played a specific role on our team, and did it well.
Admittedly, it would have been more challenging if there had been more LW aircraft around.
6. why don't *you* do something about it?
I am. I'm inviting you (or whoever wants to, since you seem more interested in staying in your whiney little comfort zone) to build a LW squad for us to fight against. :)
8. i do teach, i do offer tips, you'll find me doing it in the DA or even MA/CT at times when things are relatively quiet.
That's odd ... all I ever see you do is make snide remarks.
9. who's teaching *you* to become a good dogfighter?
Robert Shaw, and the Checkertails' S-5.
Give it another month, and you'll be finding yourself unable to shake me off your tail while I pound rounds into it. :cool:
i don't mean a good little borg, either.
Heh. I'm hardly a borg. Just ask Lowe, Jester, or any of the other Checkertails.
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Originally posted by DeMann
And just how well rounded are you Shane? All I've ever seen you do is shoot people down and then either gloat or complain about it.
Oh, I get it alright. But all your squeakin and moanin only makes us .squelch 1.
I agree that it would be a lot funner if the sides were more even, but that would mean dividing our squad, and defeating the purpose of having a squad to begin with.
Admittedly, it would have been more challenging if there had been more LW aircraft around.
That's odd ... all I ever see you do is make snide remarks.
Give it another month, and you'll be finding yourself unable to shake me off your tail while I pound rounds into it. :cool:
more well rounded than you. :D
free clue... squelch shane not ch 1.
you see this is what i'm finding amusing about all this i never even mentioned your squad last nite until they started humping my ankle, all i said was "63-21?"
you see, my comment was directed in the general allied direction to see if some would switch to make it so less lopsided. please do try and keep on top of things.
nothing wrong with having 1/3-1/2 the squad go axis for some OPFOR in your own private little corner, but, noooooo this has nothing to do with tactics and everything to do with flying around in a big clump and patting yourselves on teh back for your "tactics." the real point, tho' is some allied could have gone lw, be it the vf27th or some of the other 20-odd allied pilots. if you guys hump my ankle when i don't address you specifically, don't be surprised if i shake my leg.
take off the blinders, stop limiting yourself to only one arena and one myopic view. you're entitled to think what you want of me in CT, i could care less.
good to see you have a sense of humor. one month from now you'll still be an easy kill for me, especially if i catch you away from the safety of your borg cube.
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Originally posted by DeMann
Heh. I'm hardly a borg. Just ask Lowe, Jester, or any of the other Checkertails.
This is true, DeMann is deffinately no 7 of 9 :D
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Originally posted by Shane
more well rounded than you. :D
Yeah. Don't brag about the comparison though. You've been flying AH a heck of a lot longer than I have.
you see this is what i'm finding amusing about all this i never even mentioned your squad last nite until they started humping my ankle, all i said was "63-21?"
you see, my comment was directed in the general allied direction to see if some would switch to make it so less lopsided.
The Germans have a saying: "Der Ton macht die Musik."
You could simply *ask* if anybody wants to change sides, instead of *whining* about it.
take off the blinders, stop limiting yourself to only one arena and one myopic view.
There's a difference between "wearing blinders" and being focused.
I'm learning, growing, improving my skills, and expanding my understanding of combat flying ... one step at a time.
good to see you have a sense of humor. one month from now you'll still be an easy kill for me, especially if i catch you away from the safety of your borg cube.
We'll see about that. :)
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There is no such thing as a "fair" or "friendly" fight. If you enter a fight on even terms - you didn't plan very well.
Group Captain "Sailor" Malan RAF (35 kills).
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lol Andi that made my day:D
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Originally posted by DeMann
You could simply *ask* if anybody wants to change sides, instead of *whining* about it.
i hardly call "63-21" a whine. it was a simple statement of fact.
nice try, tho', deposit another .25 to continue playing.
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Shane, or anyone else, if you want a fair 1 vs 1 fight, I suggest H2H, TA or the DA.
If you dont want to get ganged up on, I sugest not entering an area where you will get jumped by many cons. It doesnt take a genius to watch radar and figure out what areas are not very smart to enter.
Aces High is full of Diversity. Where people are from/live, the way people think, or simply how they enjoy the game. This is an issue I have seen ever since I started flying flight sims.
If you dont enjoy the game, quit. If the sides are lopsided, switch sides or quit. I am getting better at logging out when I'm not having fun...and getting better!
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i do alright in 1,2,3 vs me... it's when teh 4,5,6th come screaming down for a cheap kill (disrespecting the 2 or 3 already engaged with me) that i find annoying... it's amusing when those 4,5,6th guys get all bold on ch1 about it, lol.
Lets all shed a tear for the guy that insists on flying alone. So why is that Shane? Knowing that alot squads fly in here and you hate the Borg, why are you here? There is plenty of your precious 1 vs 1 in the MA. But that makes sense right?
kinda hard to enjoy 63-21 odds. and actually that comment was directed in general, some of you guys guiltily felt you needed to hump my ankle about it. < shrug >
Yeah those numbers blow. But last time i checked there wasnt a total of 63 guys in the 325th or the VF 27 combined. We have swithched to even the #'s and so do the Checkertails but that really isnt the point is it. At even numbers you'd still whine about squads. How stupid is that? You know as do most of you guys that Tues and Thurs are squad nights. If it annoys you so bad fighting the Borg, then why be there for that 1- 1.5 hours? Because you will fly when and how you like correct? Its your money, you will do as you please right? What a concept. Most of us that fly the CT switch sides for #'s when its not a squad night. But thats not important, whining is.
3. like me? everyone? not saying "fly like me" saying... learn enough to be at least a decent stick so you can give a good account when that situation arises. also, 2 or 3 more coming into a fight when there's already 2 or 3 on one guy is simply... silly.
No. nobody likes being ganged, but you insist on flying alone. Am I wrong? If so, why do you keep insisting on a 1 vs 1? Sounds like we need 10 or 12 guys to handle a hero like you.
it's hard enough to attract people into the CT as it is and i have no particular desire to run a squad. you still don't get it about having way lop-sided numbers isn't much for for anyone. did your horde enjoy beating up an empty airfield and town with no opposition? you could have taken 4 bases at once with 5 people each, instead of one empty base with 20 people milling around just hoping to see something moving.
And what you do helps the CT? You want nothing to do with a squad. You want to squeak. The numbers sucked, yes they did. Made for a fun night? No. What should we do about it? I know, lets squeak about the squads because they dont fly like I think they should. Did I miss the new rules of engagement? "When encountering Shane while flying with 2 or more countrymen, you must enage him one at a time because this is what he wants. If you do not adhere to these rules, Shane will be forced to beat up his pillow and scream slobberlamerdonkeyard" When will you figure out that people are not here for you? Any positives you bring to the CT are far overshadowed by your roadkill. I in no way believe you want to improve anything in here you just live to squeak and talk toejam. That goes for the rest of you whiners aswell. If someone has suggestions or has complaints they want addressed, why dont you try it without all the insults and BS? Why dont I follow my own advice? I'll try. It wont help. Some of you "text buffer aces" thrive on whining. It fullfills you empty little lives. Well the hell with you. Im done with this crap.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Shane, or anyone else, if you want a fair 1 vs 1 fight, I suggest H2H, TA or the DA.
If you dont want to get ganged up on, I sugest not entering an area where you will get jumped by many cons. It doesnt take a genius to watch radar and figure out what areas are not very smart to enter.
If you dont enjoy the game, quit. If the sides are lopsided, switch sides or quit. I am getting better at logging out when I'm not having fun...and getting better!
it's not "fair" i'm looking for, it's "a half-decent chance." i don't mind 2 on 1 or even some 3 on 1's, it's the 3,4,5,6+ that dive down while i'm already engaged.
you guys really don't get it, do you?
radar in CT is a wonky thing. last nite i was heading toward a friendly base, chasing a dot i thought might be allied. there was zero dar bar in any surrounding sector, yet there were a good 10 allies hanging over that base. you should know by now, with reduced con and radar settings it's not as simplistic as you make it seem.
still again you don't get it... i guess you'd rather see CT empty except for your squad so you can fly around congratulaing yourselves for total air supremacy.
and why would i wanna make it 64-20? how lame is that? pretty damn lame if you ask me; you didn't ask, but i'll tell you anyway.
i still find it amusing you guys are defending this stance.
lame is as lame does.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Yeah those numbers blow. But last time i checked there wasnt a total of 63 guys in the 325th or the VF 27 combined.
We have swithched to even the #'s and so do the Checkertails but that really isnt the point is it. At even numbers you'd still whine about squads.
No. nobody likes being ganged, but you insist on flying alone. Am I wrong? If so, why do you keep insisting on a 1 vs 1? Sounds like we need 10 or 12 guys to handle a hero like you.
exactly. i never brought any squad into this. you guys started humping my ankle right off teh bat when i mentioned "63-21"
guilty conscious, eh?
and no, it's not squads per se, it's the lameness some squads espouse. specifically vf27 and the checkertails. was that blunt enough for you?
who says i insist on a 1 v 1? please do try and keep up with my oft stated position.
never in the course of AH history have so many understood so little with so many clues floating around.
it's really depressing to see how unoriginal and uncreative you two specific squads can be. i'd offer to give you a clue or 4, but it's be like throwing diamonds before swine.
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Personally I would love a big ole Axis squad in CT. I've spent so much of my time in on-line sims in jagdgeschwaders, I feel I've earned the right to fly whatever the hell I want. The P-47 is my favorite allied ride, and thats what I do. I'd love to build a big Jagdgeschwader to counter the 325th, but I'm also a little tired of building squads. Last night when we checked in there were 190 people in CT. We flew a mission MA opened back up and numbers took a dump. About that time Shane shows and starts with his usual antics, he ethier insults or whines. He never displays any class or any politeness.
So he gets what he deserves most of the time. Personally I get tired of people that have their I'm an amazinhunk button safety wired to the on position. Shane you talk like your gods gift to the game, and that only what you think counts. Your full of it, your an abusive little teenage jerk. Your crap got old months ago, but you seem to have no way of growing up or even trying to be civil. Everything is about you, and for you, as far as your concerned. Nobody was humping your leg last night Jr. You just got treated the way you treat everyone else. Yeah shane your good at AH, wow!!!! It's a game, it doesnt make you a man and it damn sure hasnt earned you any admiration, your still just a lttle boy with a bad additude. If what we do in the 325th pisses you off, then we're doing something right.
On another note, damn tootin we need more Axis fliers! I appreciate the guys like 10bears, eagler, and eskimo, that don't whine, don't draw attention to themselves, they just go out and wreck our fun. Then again their men,, not whiney bellybutton insulting little boys. You want to be cool Shane? Take a note from them. The real masters of the game.
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Originally posted by Löwe
voss-disease distortion of the facts.
lol, you 325th dweebs can in no way piss me off.
i'd like to see you and your tyros take a page from the *cool* people you see. they sure as hell don't act as lamely as your guys. but i guess that's just due to the lack of leadership.
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You aren't going to see more LW on,
You like gangbanging?
Fine, the cT will be reabsorbed into the MA, and lo and behold, you'll be "just" another large gangbang squad, nothing special in the MA.
My grandfather's brother flew against the overwhelming odds of the allies in the late war, he did not return, and nothing in his letters gives me ANY desire to emulate what he went through.
If you wish the CT to be a smaller version of the vulchfest that is the MA, it's not likely anyone can stop you,
It's also not likely anyone will be around to see it.
"win" the war? only a FRIGGIN' CHUMP thinks that means a damn thing, sorry to be so vehement, but christos that's MA BS pure and clear, you win by having good fights, the kind of battles people talk about, not the 1 of them 200 of us MA battle.
Sad but I think so many of y'all miss the point so badly, that it is really a waste of my time, I can't talk to you about this, you have no basis for comparison, your game style was born and bred in that sewer called the MA.
Forget it, enjoy "capturing" the undefended bases while they exist, whatever floats your boat.
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pv-whatever,
I have never seen you in the CT. Know what you are talking about or stay out of it. We "the Checkertails" flew japanese in the Burma map when no one else would. Shane? Well he never even made an appearance. to you grandpa!
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Originally posted by Shane
lol, you 325th dweebs can in no way piss me off.
i'd like to see you and your tyros take a page from the *cool* people you see. they sure as hell don't act as lamely as your guys. but i guess that's just due to the lack of leadership.
LOL nice try Junior. Funny thing ....... I don't see anybody following you. :D
It's Friday night shouldnt you have a date or something, or are you scared of the girls?
Maybe thats why you have to insult people all the time, your really just a wimpy lil dilrod who can't even get a date. BTW being called dweeb, tard, or any other of the childish little insults you fart out your miserable little mouth are a badge of honor. So keep them coming.
Nuff of this crap.
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Originally posted by Bear76
pv-whatever,
I have never seen you in the CT. Know what you are talking about or stay out of it. We "the Checkertails" flew japanese in the Burma map when no one else would. Shane? Well he never even made an appearance. to you grandpa!
i've seen pv in the CT lately... nice way to welcome fresh blood.
i didn;t fly burma as i was wiaitng for new system to arrive, i did fly burma the last day for a bit and got 7 kills in a zeke, no rearm. that's right.
just because *you* don't see something doesn't make it a fact.
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Originally posted by Löwe
LOL nice try Junior. Funny thing ....... I don't see anybody following you. :D
It's Friday night shouldnt you have a date or something, or are you scared of the girls?
Maybe thats why you have to insult people all the time, your really just a wimpy lil dilrod who can't even get a date. BTW being called dweeb, tard, or any other of the childish little insults you fart out your miserable little mouth are a badge of honor. So keep them coming.
Nuff of this crap.
was tyro a new word for you?
here, let me help you out.
Tyros. [L. tiro a newlylevied soldier, a beginner.] A beginner in learning; one who is in the rudiments of any branch of study; a person imperfectly acquainted with a subject; a novice.
actually, you know nothing about me, you can only assume. but know this; i laugh at you.
btw nice piece of hypocrisy you just posted.
oh, and ummmm, geee.... try and get a handle on your kids.
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Several of us say YOU in the MA that week Shane. Try again.
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Shane,
That can't be the plane you were in. There is no pacifier on the dash or tears on the console.
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Originally posted by Bear76
Shane,
That can't be the plane you were in. There is no pacifier on the dash or tears on the console.
i see i have to spell thing out real slow-like for you.
repeat after me: shane... did... not... fly... burma.... until... his... new... system... arrived....
now why do think i was seen in MA, but not burma? could be be because burma is a fairly FPS intensive map? hmmmmm?
yanno, you're trying a little too hard here, take a deep breath, get some oxygen to those brain cells.
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Shane I wish you wouldn't post stuff like that.. a little cussing now and then isn't going to ruin the children for life.. You invite HTC staff to impose a filter. We're grown ups and can handle it but you don't need to advertise.
And Shane.... the idea here is to bring people into the CT not chase them away. You too Pz.
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Way to go on the new system. Finally got your dad to upgrade the Atari. You da man Shane! Well, someday maybe. We all have our fingers crossed.
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Re: your comments
Why thank you moron,
You see it's that generous helping of welcome back that makes the game so enjoyable.
Who am I? who the hell are you to ask? I was here for the launch, how about you junior?
10bears, think a moment I said I do not find being beaten down by 30 to 1 odds enjoyable, you said I AM NOT helping?
Do you only wish to hear what you want? if that's the case, don't friggin ask.
In fact, the hell with it, I can get an account with ANY sim, this one does not apparently need new customers, the old ones like the status quo too much.
Been in SALES long? didn't think so.
good day to you, and the little boytoys with their make believe fighter squadron
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OK, enough is enough. This is ridiculous and embarrasing. I usually try to stay away from this crap but in this case I can't help myself. This has become a string or "thread" of insults and childish remarks and a lot of BS. There have been very good points made by several people and those of you with mature, fair, and rational minds know the reputations of those who made them. No I haven't been here very long, but long enough that I will blame this on Shane, you thrive on incitement and you've done a good job here. You threw out the bait and got several bites. You just kept going from there. Yes Shane Congratulations and
You are a Master Baiter!
Like I said I've had enough-I'm done-give it you're best shot-This will be my first and last reply to this thread!
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cool. another impressionable noob. better recruit him before he gets too good!
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..Well, then, maybe someone with a smaller ego and a higher level of maturity will take up the challenge...
so sayeth DeMann.
Don't rightly know about my ego, but I'd love to have a squad of 30 pile-its just itching to show the CT what air combat is. None of this: lets put the fleet off this base and shell it into the pleisteocene while our flak kills 'em in the air crap either.
But I'm a newb here, so my rep don't ammount to more'n a spit in the ocean, and that don't look likely to get me any recruits.
So I'm gonna make me some canned missions instead. Do a couple for intercepts, since 325th thinks it's that sierra hotel, and if theirs enough takers, we'll see what the aftermath brings about.
Hell... Might even get a new thread going so this one can fade away....
Yeesh fellas. Unless Tuesday at 10PM eastern is the only time you can fly, then avoid the CT if it's causing this much stmach acid.
And about that counter squad? If I knew HTML and KNEW someone I could trust as XO, I'd start building today. As it is, whyn't some of you established LW guys gang the hell out of your adversary on Tuesdays in a joint effort?
Simple job for simple people, really.
Oh and that pic with the 4 or 5 P-47's chasing the 109? The 109 pilot shot down one of them then ditched and survived. Thought y'might want t'know. :D
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Grissom,
I don't know why we end up the bad guys here. We have a big squad because we have a great bunch of guys that enjoy flying together and people want to be part of it. We fly a couple of planned missions on Tuesday and Thursday nights and the rest of the time we are just like the rest of the CT. We just choose not to fight against each other. We don't go around bullying the arena or stirring up the radio channel with mindless babble. But if certain people choose to feel threatened, well not much we can do about it.
We are an allied squad and fly that side exclusively except in a japanese scenario. We fly Jap because no one else will. You want to start a squad to fly axis, great. It only improves the game. But, don't make us the villians.
If your squad has the same great bunch of guys, you'll have a heck of a squad.
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I love the way Shane uses the * :D
great fights last night
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Shane I have nothing to hide bud...you are a toejamhead.
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Okay Checkertails, it's time for all of us to check our fire on this thread. Nothing to be gained, and too many chances to let our tempers get away from us. Everybody that flys in this sim has their own reasons, and likes and dislikes.
Yeah ballance is a big issue, it's not going to get any better with everybody dropping their shorts and showing their ass. Especially members of a large squad. None of us are going to help the CT by insulting people. Enough has been said , in fact too much has been said, and the same problem still exsist. I want 325th guys to drop it and move on. Defending your squad is fine, but some of these post including mine are over the top , and not helping, it just going to make things worse.
Fly and have fun , leave the insulting to those that got the time and energy to waste on it. We got other things to focus on.
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I didn't start this dance, and I sure don't need a squad po'd at me, but Lowejg (wish I knew how to put the uhmlat in there lowe) seems to be the level headed one for you so I'll address this for his comment(s).
I try to lead by example, which in rl, face-to-face worl works pretty good for me. In here, where everyone has a chip on there nose ring, words are mostly misconstrued, or misread. Personally I try to make allowances for that, but that is how I am.
(Hate having to dumb this down) Look CT fliers! If you see a problem in the game it is your natural right to do your best with the equipment at hand to try and cure the problem. To wit the following...
Prob: oh no, the massed hordes are decending on my base!
Sol: gather ye yon troops and repel from afar! Set up a mission designed to defend your resources! If no-one comes to the mission, then you have done what you can and it's those that failed to respond that are the problem.
You folks got that so far? BIG RAID COMMING!
Make a BIGGER DEFFENSE to meet them!
I step off my desk now, and thanks for any input to the above.
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Grissom.
I don't think anybody in this squad is holding anything against you. Hell I don't think they really hold anything against Shane. Shane has a way of drawing attention to himself, but thats his style, and his right. Ballance is an issue, and I've been on the short side of the stick plenty of times. I know it's no fun. People fly what they want, and thats the rub. I love flying Luftwaffe , and maybe soon I'll go back to it. I don't think squads are an evil thats ruining CT though. Before the new CT staff took over there wasn't a lot of participation here. The new staff has done a great job, and about the time they started, you started seeing squads show up in here. Many people myself included would rather fly in CT for the plane match ups. Thats the biggest attraction to me. Thats also the biggest reason I don't fly MA.
Theres never been a cat that couldn't be skined, and I think the ballance issue has an answer too. Beating each others brains in, and insulting each other isn't the answer though. I agree with you, that many of us get way too hot on some of these issues. It's easy to insult and point fingers from a distance. Thats why I'm trying to get my guys to put and end to it. It just doesnt solve anything, and allows all of us that do it, to look like a bunch of idiots.
I've flown so little the last two months I've lost track of just how big a squad the 325th is, and how we can unbalance things quickley.
Grissom.
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Oh yeah Grissom if you ever need to get the uhmlat hold down the alt key and hit 0246 on your number pad you'll get an ö. ;)
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I agree. This argument has went on way to long. It serves no purpose and only scares off new players to the CT that might whitness it.
SHANE: It is just plain obvious that we fly in the CT for very different reasons. You enjoy the close combat pitting your skill against another pilot. You pay your $14 bucks a month to fly like you want to so "More power to you".
We on the other hand formed the 325th (same when we formed VF-27) to act and fly as close to a real life WW2 Fighter Squadron as we could get within a sim game. We get more out of flying semi-realistic mission profiles and useing teamwork & wingman tactics while flying. We emphasized teamwork from the beginning and all pilots know this when they join. We allow no "Lone Wolf" or "Score potato" types in the outfit. Where you are out to prove your skill in A2A combat - ours is to hit our target and get every pilot back home - just as they did in real life.
We also each pay our $14 a month so that is how we choose to fly. Plain and simple and we have had no problems getting recruits that feel the same way.
For the record - between VF-27, 27th SENTAI & the 325th FG we have probably brought 30+ new pilots to the CT. Many "Newbys" and some enticed over from the MA. We are still in the process of talking other squads to come to the CT.
GRISSOM: (Or anyone else) If you are seriously considering starting a LUFTWAFFE Squad I will do all I can to help you. I still have all kinds of materials left from when I flew with JG-51 Molders in WARBIRDS.
You can set-up a website very simply with YAHOO/GEOCITIES and the best part it is free. You don't even have to know HTML to run it. I will talk you through it. You can observe what I did with our squad website (link under my signature) and I know nothing about HTML.
All you have to do is get a dependable XO and I will even help you set up and do your recruiting & pick a LW Jagdgeshwader to represent if you wish.
CT.
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Grissom that goes for myself and the VF27 Hellcats, if you want to start an axis squad we will do what we can to help, good luck on getting it started would be a great addition to the CT. Seems to me that most of the lone wolfs preferr to fly axis, could be wrong but 2 or 3 of the best pilots in here (aka Eskimo and Eagler, ammo and a few others as much as I hate to admit it Shane) are great fighter pilots and really dont enjoy the squad tactics that VF27, 325th and 880 like to do. If they would form an axis squad they would be tough to beat no matter what the numbers are, but its their money and they choose to fly whichever way they want. So good luck and hope you have success in getting an Axis squad in the CT, look forward to flying against it.
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Originally posted by Bear76
I don't know why we end up the bad guys here. We have a big squad because we have a great bunch of guys that enjoy flying together and people want to be part of it. We fly a couple of planned missions on Tuesday and Thursday nights and the rest of the time we are just like the rest of the CT. We just choose not to fight against each other. We don't go around bullying the arena or stirring up the radio channel with mindless babble. But if certain people choose to feel threatened, well not much we can do about it.
We are an allied squad and fly that side exclusively except in a japanese scenario. We fly Jap because no one else will. You want to start a squad to fly axis, great. It only improves the game. But, don't make us the villians.
If your squad has the same great bunch of guys, you'll have a heck of a squad.
Just curious...why the CT? Since I have been playin in the CT, I have seen a few of your squad nites. The obvious answer to my question would be "so that we can outnumber everyone".
Tell yah what, I am part of a big squad with a great bunch of guys. Let me know what time your squad nites start and I will try to arrange a little competition for yah. Who knows, you might find that 60 to 60 odds are a lot more fun than 60 to 20 :D.
Old axiom...sex requires two people...anything else is just jerkin off :).
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what makes ya'll think i *prefer* to fly axis? the concepts of squads doesn't appeal to me personally because, well, they can be so limiting, we do this, we don't do that, this is what and how we fly. even if i were in a squad, i see nothing wrong whatsoever in fighting my own squaddies, how better to assess one's skills?
i never used to be particularly good in lw planes, but have been kind of "forced" into them in the interests of trying to balance out numbers. as a result, i think i'm doing quite nicely in them.
now do you see where i'm coming from? i have nothing against squads or squad ops per se, but rather i'm all in the interest of trying to make sure things don't become too lopsided where it's not much for for either side, really.
i could never willingly fly on a side that runs almost a 2:1 advantage, it's simply not much fun or challenge.
all the more power to squads, but please do try and consider arena conditions. we see the same maps and planes over and over you know? so when it comes to gameplay, stubbornly sticking to one particular side is well... limiting.
and let me ask this... how many CT squads sign up for scenarios where they can really use the tactics they're supposed to be perfecting in the CT? remember, there's no win/lose in CT so perhaps you guys might want to think about the overall gameplay. i mean who enjoys an unopposed mission or facing 3+:1 odds any length of time?
it kind of seems silly to see 2 or 3 allied squads running their squad nites all on the same nite, throwing nbrs way out of whack. one can;t really expect relatively noobs to know the score - they're teh kind who will almost always fly on the side with nbrs, throwing things even more out of balance - and there are just those individuals who *always* fly on the side with nbrs.
i can only do what i can do which is follow my own personal code.
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Great,
We fly tuesday and thursday nights at 10pm Eastern. I don't know about the 60 to 60 thing though. We only have 25 members. Seems the numbers got a little distorted as has the perspective of us and others. It's a game guys and supposed to be fun.
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Originally posted by Bear76
Great,
We fly tuesday and thursday nights at 10pm Eastern. I don't know about the 60 to 60 thing though. We only have 25 members. Seems the numbers got a little distorted as has the perspective of us and others. It's a game guys and supposed to be fun.
Fine, so the damned will make it 60 vs your 25. that should still be fun. right?
:D
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The squad was created to fly in the CT because of the scenarios offered. We enjoy the historic aspect the CT offers. Numbers had nothing to do with it. We started with four guysand it jus grew from there. We don't claim to be great pilots. We just enjoy flying together in the CT environment. The MA just doen't appeal to most of us, but we doe occasionally go there and furball. You probably have found something in the CT that appeals to you also or you wouldn't fly here.
As for outnumbering the arena, we seldom have any more than 15 members on at a given time, even squad nights. The real world takes presidence after all. I'm on most every night and seldom do the numbers get way out of wack. When it does it is usually the result of an MA crash or the so called "pizza" map.
A few months ago you seldom saw more than 20 people in the whole CT. Many people are attracted to the historical aspect of the arena and now many more are "regulars". This is good. We welcome your squad. Let's keep this in the spirit the CT was created for. We fly allied because thats what the squad was based on. We fly the allied rides in all scenarios(except japanese as stated earlier) Many maps we don't have the "superior" ride as the axis, but we still fly them and die in them. :)
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All I can say is that one of the reasons that I signed up for AH online is the whole experience of being in a squadron. There is no quicker or better way for me to learn the game than to be with an outfit that helps you with whatever you need.
Shane-
There are two main things you have that has earned my full respect: your abilities in the air and the way you stick to your guns, there are too many mamby-pamby turds that can't decide where they stand on an issue. That being said, realise that we fly on tues. and thurs. nights in the CT; this will not change. The aspect of actually being in a squad in the CT during squad nights is the main reason why I fly with a squad. It is as close as I can get to 'being back in time' as I can get with current technology. If it seems like you get 'gang-banged' constantly in the CT then I suggest not flying when the squads are there or join a squad in the CT, not join them on a permanent basis, but hooking up with them in flight. As much as there are people here that may hate your guts, I don't think there is one squad that wouldn't turn you down for help on a mission. I would rather you fly in the CT, stir up the sh*t that you do (I have to say though, that I laugh with about every comment you type on the TB, I never take anything typed there seriously) and fight and fly. Just realise that we will be in the CT on the aforementioned nights.
There have been a great number of times where we went into the CT, saw the numbers were VERY out of balance and joined the other side. As much as doing this aggrevates me (I like to stay loyal to my squad nationality) I do it realising that it makes the experience in the CT better for everyone. So just because we may not do it EVERYTIME, understand that we do it if the plane set does not carry our historical mounts. In fact a couple of weeks ago we flew one mission in P-40's (the 325th's historical first crate), saw the numbers get out of hand, and then switched sides and flew a couple missions in A6M's.
So to sum it up, the 325th, VF-27 and 880's squads (among others) are here, they fly CT during their respective times, and we DO swap sides when the numbers get bad, but not EVERYTIME. If this still displeases you just keep doing what you do, you are entertaining to the nth degree if nothing else, !
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Originally posted by Shane
Fine, so the damned will make it 60 vs your 25. that should still be fun. right?
:D
LOL! Well...with 75+ Damned in AH, it is possible :D. Fortunately, I think the Damned generally perfer a good fight to an unopposed cake walk :). I might be able to round up 10 or 15 guys to help out to help balance things out.
Originally posted by Bear76
As for outnumbering the arena, we seldom have any more than 15 members on at a given time, even squad nights. The real world takes presidence after all. I'm on most every night and seldom do the numbers get way out of wack. When it does it is usually the result of an MA crash or the so called "pizza" map.
A few months ago you seldom saw more than 20 people in the whole CT. Many people are attracted to the historical aspect of the arena and now many more are "regulars". This is good.
Well, I was coming to the CT regularly until Trinity went live. I spent the 10 days it was up looking for problems and listening to the comments so that I could try and improve it. I spent the next week working on the update (not much time to fly when you are puttin in 4 to 5 hours a day workin on terrain :D). However, of the time I did spend in the CT, the only problem I saw with odds was created when your squad insisted on flying together. With normal arena numbers in the range of 20 per country. You add 15 (and invite your 'sister' squads to join you) and the arena goes from fun fights and great ops to gangbang and milkrun city. If you are really interested in trying to 'grow' the CT...creating huge odds imbalances a couple of times per week isn't the way.
The CT is actually designed to be self-balancing. That is why the country change has no restictions. Of course, with a large enough group of players refusing to try and balance things...the system falls a part. With a 2 country setup, balance is very important for EVERYONE to enjoy the game play. Think about it, what is the fun of a football game if one team can put 60 players on the field and the other only 20? In the end, the 20 would stop showin up to play and then where would you be?
BTW, I not trying to rag you guys. I'm just hoping that I can help you to understand how disruptive your 'squad nights' are to everyone else's enjoyment of the game.
Shane...COD!! It sux to be on the same side of an argument as you!!! :D:D
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We UNDERSTAND your point of view, god knows we do, just understand that WE only come into the CT for a grand total of 5 HOURS per WEEK!!! If that 5 hours ruins the entire week for you then I suggest you go somewhere else during that measly little five hours. And, by the way, we don't target bases as to be only 'milk runs', our primary targets are those that are strategically important to the other side in terms of operations. And, like we have said for the millionth time, we hate unbalanced numbers as well, and we do switch sides to help with that. Please stop accusing us of acts that we are completely innocent of. I know you may be tempted to post about how I again can't see your point of view, I do see it. Understand that for those 2 and half hours on Tuesday night and the 2 and half hours on Thursday night we will be flying as a squadron. The other 163 hours of the week we fly independant of one another, and most of the time some of us fly for the other side!!! Let's please end this rediculous thread as it's obvious that the squadrons are not going away and that if you fly alone, you die alone. It's called in asphault; your ASS, your FAULT!! Now, can't we all just get along??? :D :D :D :D
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Hmmm.
Guess we're just not welcome here anymore.:p
Shit guys lets move to MA ! We got nutin to lose but headaches.
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We just aren't going to agree on this.We have never caused a"hugh" imbalance in the game with 15 people. Thursday, when we started, there were 150 people in here. Many nights there are 50 or more. And you're right, it does balance itself out except on occasions. I think this has been blown out of proportion.
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so do i, because i never even mentioned anything about squads, remember, i simply tossed out raw numbers over ch 1.
but remember, conditions do fluctuate in the CT; it wouldn't hurt to be flexible, would it? it's not like you have to wait 12 hours to switch back.
did you guys suggest *other* allied people go axis to help the imbalance (which went on for quite a while)? i'm one of the first to switch sides when i see an imbalance growing. perhaps you and vf27 (your sister squad) could alternate missions (or even squad nites) to provide you some opfor?
p.s. you guys don't wanna go to MA, you'd likely get hurt. :D
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Originally posted by Löwe
Hmmm.
Guess we're just not welcome here anymore....
to help me start a squad up. Really. I do appreciate it and am... honored that so many of you would help me, a relative unknown asset in the community, so readily. (Och, my speeling is on the flop!)
Maybe someday I will take you up on the offers. :cool: But for now, I don't feel I have the respect, or reputation that is needed to deserve such attention from the learned masses. :o
It is not a matter of could I run the squad. It is more like would they respect my directions/orders? Then how long before those hurrying to join, get disillusioned with my management style? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We all get disillusioned eventually, and those leaving make room for a stronger core unit, etc...
IF I WERE TO DO IT: My criteria would be...
1. Have fun!
2. Help others, especially the new guy when/if you can.
3. Fly/Drive/Swim S-M-A-R-T! Land sorties as often as possible.
4. Be prepared to counter over balanced sides in the G-A-M-E.
5. See rule number 1.
That is if I were to start a squad. :D
Thanks again for all the offers, and Löwe (I did umlat YES!) Thank God I noticed your 'cheeky' face. Almost embarrassed myself calling you down for that one.
*S*
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It serves everyone best interest, at least those interested in maintaining a healthy CT, to try and maintain a decency of numbers balance in the CT.
Fly whatever you want, whenever you want, but truth is its better for everyone invloved to:
1) maintain healthy adversary numbers
2) maintain time in all avaliable machines
Again, when its 30 Bish and 5 knights, I go to MA
When its 25 bish and 15 nits I go nits, and visa vis.
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Last time I am posting on this thread, you cant make up other peoples minds all I can do is explain. On squad night we fly allied almost always, I said almost, Tues night for example side were uneven the Hellcats switched to LW to help balance the #s thats fine was glad to do it even tho it was our squad night. Thurs night when we all logged on the CT was overloaded plenty of people on both sides we decided to run a Co Op with the Checkertails still plenty of #s on both sides, what happened dont know MA came back up I guess, we start the mission, not to take a field no goons, guess we should have just returned to base and dropped the mission but what the hell it had already started so we ran the mission, not to take field that was not the purpose, just to run an organized co-op with another squad. Next thing we know we are getting grief about #s some things were said and here we go again, turned into a pissing match about #s we were prepared to switch but no everone has to jump the gun start damn whining so we didnt. Prolly made things worse but we all have feelings about things and sometimes we dont make the best choices. I think its unfair to blame a few squads for the trouble in the ct, its just not true. The 325th and ourselves have swithced many times to even things out, not always but sometimes. Im sorry if on one of our squad nights some of the numbers get out of whack, but when it is the planes we like to fly, F6 andF4U we are not changing, luckily the 325th usually changes to axis to help out and when they have their planes in the CT 51 and 47 we change to help if #s are uneven, both squads have done it many times, but you guys cant expect it every time. Chances are that when we logged on and the MA would have been up the Hellcats would have gone axis and took on the 325th, this time it didnt happened and all we got was grief and name calling (yes we did it too), so if you guys think that squads arent good for the ct maybe we will go with the 325th to the ma when the numbers are bad and get out butts handed to us as some suggest, if that makes the ct better for you all then thats what we can do. Havent talked to the 880 about this yet either but im sure they feel the same as 325th and VF27 we are all tired of the #s thing and squads, thats what we pay our money for, but what the heck I can fly in the MA and get shot down just as easy as the CT, no big deal. Thanks for you patience and any solutions would be greatly appreciated.
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The 325th flys tuesday and thursday night at 10pm est no matter what the numbers. Two nights outta seven, even if out numbered, is not the end of the world. Any other night there is an average of four or five on at a time.
Even when the numbers are even, a givn fight is not. However, it usually ends up in a typical steady line leading to a furball in the middle. It also ends up that one side eventualy pushes the other side back to their base then its vulch time. Its the same thing every night.
As I said before, this issue is not something new. Its been around for years. AH CA is not that old but the issue is the same even for other sims. People come and people go, it will never change.
Last night for the first time in a long time I decided to furball. I entered a fight no matter the numbers. Out of some 30 or more sorties I shot down plenty, even vulched plenty but I only landed a handfull of times due to the endless incomming cons. Some folks like that, .......I dont!
Shane thats where I understand your argument bud, however its not going to change. You are angry because guys dont want to fight you with less than 3 to 1. Well, we all know that you are an good sim pilot, so why go up against you and get shot down all the time. There are only four or five guys that could probably shoot you down on a give take bases. Its simply that if you continue to always shoot down rookies or guys like me that dont care if I get better, YOU will run them away from the CT with your attitude, as well as mine at times. Your attitude on CH 1 will run off more guys than "guys being out numbered". I caint say it enough, players will come and go, but AH and other sims as well as the world, will keep right on spinning!
If you want the CT to grow, you, I and everyone else needs to just shut-up and fly.
Been there, done that.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Its simply that if you continue to always shoot down rookies or guys like me that dont care if I get better
shooting down rookies is not much challenge or fun, but i at least hope *they* would like to get better. i've said this again and again, i don't mind 2 on 1, or some 3 on 1, nor being at a disadvantage in alt or e. it's the 1,2,3,4 who swoop down while i'm already engaged with 2 or 3 that i find simply... well, lame. it's depriving the ones engaged already a good fight and learning experience. they learn nothing when the kill they're working so hard to earn is plucked right out of their hands. is that so hard a concept to understand? the only way to get better is to simply take one's lumps and learn from them. this has nothing to do with running squad-orientated missions. as for *you* personally having no desire to improve, well.... what can i say?
you know, i've seen numerous people from MA come in see way off-kilter #'s and leave, remarking upon that, "I can find the same thing in MA." people wander in to give CT a chance becaude they're tired of the MA or would like to see the historical matchup part (and cool terrains) and when they find themselves in an MA-like environment, they'll leave and probably won't bother coming back because in the MA at least they can ride what they feel comfortable in.
i don't have any real problems with squads or squad nights; taking the 63-21 nite as an example, it didn;t bother me so much that the #'s were so off kilter because a large chunk of that was running their mission unopposed sectors away. i was hoping that with more balanced #'s you could have at least had some opposition, because even 5 LW guys weren't going to try and oppose a 20-30 player allied mission. but if having missions like that go unopposed floats your boat, well... .
now you can see where i'm coming from on 2 issues... local and arena #'s.
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If the 325th, vf27, and the 880 abandoned the ct, you would probably get your 1 to 1. 1 guy as bish and 1 as knight.
As far as this arguement is concerned, my solution would be to never ever change from allied under any circumstance. We used to do it nearly every week. It got us nothing but grief, so I say screw it.
I suggest two new running orders for the vf27.
1. Never switch to axis.
2. Squelch 1 as soon as we log on.
I can still salute a guy after a good fight, just cant see his response I guess.
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ergRTC I agree. I think the 350th...or at least I, need to as well.
Shane I have to sit here and recall my WBs days flying the zero. When I first started flying it, I was landing kill after kill in it. I got real good in it. I even had a 32 some odd kill streak in it. Over time no one person would fight a zero. Eventually, it became a B&Z with F4Us. I started squeaking about it on UBB how no one wanted to turn fight any more. I actually sounded like you. I even squeaked about the B-25 dogfighters etc etc etc. Nothing new bud. Its all old news.Hell, look at my posts in here when I first joined up. I came in AH with a bad tast already in my mouth. Lowejg straighted my bellybutton out AGAIN! My point being that your attitude as well as mine or anyone elses will not help anything. Try just flying with out yelling or giving it up. You caint beat a dog and expect it to like you.
I thought I was the worse at complaining and ragging guys about flying till I met you.
AH CT all time worse complainers:
Shane
P6EHawk
Odee
Lets work at not doing this. This alone will help the CT.
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Sorry Lowe and Jester, I just have to make one post on this.
Seems to me that the CT has become an old womens bingo night, where they gossip and cry about how much money they lost. I for one will do what my CO and XO say, if that means I fly Zero's to help out the numbers with the VF-27 on their PTO's, I will. I signed on with the 325th to fly ailled planes, not to fly with the LW. If some of you can't understand that, I am sorry. We all have to live with disappointment in our lives. I pay my $14.95 a month just like everyone else does, so that means if I want to fly with my squad on tuesdays and thursdays I have the option of doing it. This whole thing to me seems like a stalemate, will not get resolved in this post or any other posts.
I have spent many a night in the Zero and in the Yak being killed by VF-27 and the Finns, and life does go on.....
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I know what would solve problems, maybe? If High Tech developed a CT for squads. You could have your missions, wouldn't have to worry about gangbanging cause if your smart you will fly with your squad. Then they can have the CT for the Historical DA... Just an idea
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NP Stream.
I just talked to jester and we agree that this is a problem we can help with. Checkertails check your e-mails. Jester and I are going to resign from the 325th. We will help the 325th adjust to a leadership change, all website material and artwork stays with the 325th. Jester and I are going to start trying to build Jagdgeschwader-3 " Udet". This will be a dedicated Axis squad for CT. LW, It, and IJ. I've had a blast with the 325th , but if we can bring numbers to the Axis side on Tuesdays, and Thursdays, maybe it will make for a better CT.
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Löwe and Jester-
All due respect sirs, this is NOT the answer I was looking for. If you do this plan I will only stay on with the 325th as long as the LW squad is a sister to the 325th and we can freely fly with both. You and Jester are two of the pilots that I have learned from the most and I feel that the 325th is in no position to lose you two, no disrespect intended to Stream, Hawk, or any of the other great sticks in the 325th. I more or less started AH in the 325th and have loved every minute of it but this new answer has me a little discouraged. However, that being said, if you and Jester leave to form Udet I must honestly say that I will leave the 325th as well and join you guys if you will have me. I personally don't see how this will change things in the CT as the numbers will only go to the other side but I respect your decision and will carry on smartly if this is what you truly feel is right.
V/R
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Thanks DTX.
I promise you this won't swing the numbers too far. Theres plenty of guys who want to stayed Allied. Besides it's a fact Axis is almost always out numbered. If you want to fly LW with us, we would love to have you abaord. However if your inclined to fly Allied, stay there you should be flying what you want to fly. and thanks.
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Lowe andi I hate to see you two do this again. Please reconsider!
As for the 325th, you guys can always work group ops with us, or maybe we can even meld the two squads into a real command structure. Give them less to whine about when we fly together. This may be worth discussing more in a dedicated thread. (good for recruiting too).
We have always wanted to get a dedicated bomber wing going so maybe between the two squads we can do something even better. And maybe even little more annoying to some...
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GREAT see what all this whining and squeaking has done. Now the CO and XO have resigned from the 325th. NOW I AM MAD AS HELL. Lowe and Jester, I really don't want to see you guys go from our squad, seriously you guys are the back bone of it, a lot of guys will feel the same as I do.
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Hell guys we like flying LW anyway, besides the 325th is big and strong enough to fly with a new C.O. and XO, it won't miss a beat. My fat bellybutton looks better in black anyway.:D
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Well ive seen Lowes bellybutton and black aint the answer, hehe just had to do that Lowe, cant believe you guys are doing that again, hell with it let them whine who gives a damn anymore, the whiners are always gonna be whiners thats what they pay their money for! Srry said last post was my last, but Lowe and Andi have quit a squad before to do this, aint right!
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It's really NP Hj. Like I said we like LW anyway. If it'll stop some bad feelings it's worth it. Besides It'll give your buff formations something to shoot at during ETO's!;)
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As much as I hate to see it, Lowe may have a point. I for one would like to see a dedicated LW squad to fight against. Squad nights may not be the same....that could be a good thing. Planned missions on both sides. I for one would like to see some realstic action instead of all this furballing. Id rather it not be Lowe and Andi but there couldnt be a better two. Think about it, they already started two squads in the CT. I just hope the 325th with stick together as did VF-27. This would give us an LW squad, American AAF squad and a US Navy squad. If we could get the 18th Sentai back in the CT we would have an IJN/A squad.
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bravo. hope your new squad works out.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
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AH CT all time worse complainers:
Shane
P6EHawk
Odee
Lets work at not doing this. This alone will help the CT.
P6eHawk: Since I canceled my account, you can't include me anymore on these things Hawk.
Yeah I did my share of squeakin. Using sugar coated words seem to fall on deaf ears at HTC, so I raised the anger level to get their attention. That didn't work either, so I quit. :(
LoweJG: Sorry to see you leave another squad. Especially in the middle of what was shaping up to be a class squad duel in the making. Good luck in all your endeavours. ;)
ALL: I still watch the boards, hoping to see some hope for a historical full time game. Not just the snapshots. Maybe version 2 of AH and the mission oriented CT(?) will bring some new life to the game.
Maybe then, I'll even create another account (Odeee???) LOL
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Hell Odee I wish you'd come back sooner or later Hawk, and Shane are going to have to miss a night or two of flying. Who the hell is gonna call me names???;)