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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: save on April 09, 2018, 06:45:18 AM
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B26s are, after the Yak3 damage model was fixed, the single-most durable planes in the game, and they should not challenge a B17 in that respect, but they easy outdo them.
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Yak3 damage model was fixed?
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Yak3 damage model was fixed?
Since when!? Those things are flying swiss cheese!
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Yak3 is fixed? It’s like trying to shoot down an A10 with a staple gun.
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Speed could have something to do with the B-26 out surviving the B-17.
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The B-17 gives a false sense of safety and often times their pilots will fly it as of it’s invincible. Taking more risks than a B-26 driver would.
With a smaller foot print than the B17, faster overall speed and a missing sense of security , the B-26 driver tends to be more in the moment when getting bounced.
I’ve had people drop my B-26 drones in a single pass. I’ve had drivers empty their guns and do little more than knock a rudder or flap.
Get video of you bouncing the 26 and analyze the heck out of it. You might find that the approach, attack, follow through and Egress are not what you think they are.
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Yak3 is fixed? It’s like trying to shoot down an A10 with a staple gun.
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:rofl
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Yak3 is fixed? It’s like trying to shoot down an A10 with a staple gun.
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:rofl
Yep, and to catch them they're like a small and squirmy greased piglet in a grade 3 class.
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Now I can kill a Yak-3 with less than 2 seconds of fire with 4*20mm and 2*13mm, that must be a fix :D
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I seem to recall that in his biography Adolf Galland rated the B-26 as the most difficult US bomber to bring down. It had the lowest loss rate of any US aircraft in the ETO, although this was in part likely due to the shorter missions it flew compared to the heavies.
In AH a cockpit shot from above is the weak spot on a B-26, but if you don't have the alt advantage required then concentrating fire on a wing tip is the next best bet.
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I seem to recall that in his biography Adolf Galland rated the B-26 as the most difficult US bomber to bring down. It had the lowest loss rate of any US aircraft in the ETO, although this was in part likely due to the shorter missions it flew compared to the heavies.
In AH a cockpit shot from above is the weak spot on a B-26, but if you don't have the alt advantage required then concentrating fire on a wing tip is the next best bet.
The real B26 did not require an enemy to kill its crew.
"One a day in Tampa Bay" :grin:
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The one a day was before it was upgraded which fixed those issues and it became one of the best twin engine medium bombers in the war.
Here is the whole story on that.
http://www.aviation-history.com/martin/b26.html
Our version is the upgraded version which was like trying to shoot down a tank and as fast as some fighters.
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The wing area increase got gobbled up by more equipment and payload. That wasn’t mentioned.
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Someone I was within earshot of has said, "If they worked in the war like they do here, I wouldn't have built anything but B26s if I were in charge." I'm inclined to agree. I don't know what's right, but they're definitely the toughest thing to shoot down in the game, except maybe the B29.
Wiley.
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Contrary to the b26, the tail section of b25hs tend to come off pretty easily.
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I don't know what's right, but they're definitely the toughest thing to shoot down in the game, except maybe the B29.
The B-29 totally in a leage of it's own, shooting the B-26 doesn't even come close as a challenge. :old:
And while I'm at it... this is how formation capable bombers did in air to air engagements in 2017:
(https://i.imgur.com/FK2zo2Q.png)
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The B-29 totally in a leage of it's own, shooting the B-26 doesn't even come close as a challenge. :old:
And while I'm at it... this is how formation capable bombers did in air to air engagements in 2017:
(https://i.imgur.com/FK2zo2Q.png)
I don’t think a K/D chart is applicable here. It does not take into account the instances an enemy fighter disengaged from a bomber set without being able to shoot it down. The focus is determining if the B-26 is a difficult target because of it’s size/speed or because of its coded capability to absorb punishment; its ability to shoot down enemy fighters is not the issue. Also think of how they are used in the game: I see the B-26 being used for more low to mid altitude frontline tactical strikes where it is much more likely to run into trouble than the high alt strategic buffs (just my observation - no data to back it up).
Personally there is only one formation bomber in the game that makes me grit my teeth in preparing to bag it – and that is the B-26.
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The one a day was before it was upgraded which fixed those issues and it became one of the best twin engine medium bombers in the war.
Here is the whole story on that.
http://www.aviation-history.com/martin/b26.html
Our version is the upgraded version which was like trying to shoot down a tank and as fast as some fighters.
Better training was the true key to improving the Marauders safety record. The wing increase was negated by the Army increasing the gross weight.
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The B-29 totally in a leage of it's own, shooting the B-26 doesn't even come close as a challenge. :old:
And while I'm at it... this is how formation capable bombers did in air to air engagements in 2017:
(https://i.imgur.com/FK2zo2Q.png)
Interesting, I did not realize KI67s were doing so well. My guess is that this is the veteran bias effect, where certain variants that are flown mostly by veteran or dedicated players produce better scores than "superior" variants that are used as kamikaze or by 2-weekers.
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Better training was the true key to improving the Marauders safety record. The wing increase was negated by the Army increasing the gross weight.
Great minds... :rofl
The wing area increase got gobbled up by more equipment and payload. That wasn’t mentioned.
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Interesting, I did not realize KI67s were doing so well. My guess is that this is the veteran bias effect, where certain variants that are flown mostly by veteran or dedicated players produce better scores than "superior" variants that are used as kamikaze or by 2-weekers.
The 67 flies high and fast with a big tail gun. Shooting them down isn’t worth the hassle most of the time. If they are at medium or low altitude I’ll give them a crack, otherwise I look elsewhere.
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B17s are faster than B26s.
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B17s are faster than B26s.
*Maybe* at high altitude...but not anywhere else.
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(http://www.delta33.me/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/17vs26.png)
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The B-26 shouldn’t be above 15k (traditionally speaking) as it was used as a medium alt bomber 10-15k.
So at comparable alt, the 26 was faster than the 17.
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If I recall, it's actually the A20 that is improbably durable to enemy fire for its size.
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I can easily down an A20 with a 2 sec burst from an A8, (about the same as the Yak3 :D)
The B26 only looks irritated when you give it the same treatment.
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I can easily down an A20 with a 2 sec burst from an A8, (about the same as the Yak3 :D)
The B26 only looks irritated when you give it the same treatment.
:rofl
It's like punching that 7'7 bouncer at a club and you're 5'4. He just smiles back and grabs then you by the throat and lifts you up before he destroys your face.
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Gotta shoot those wing roots out.
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Galland mostly flew the 109. and the unescorted survival rate of the B26 is not good.
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Interesting, I did not realize KI67s were doing so well. My guess is that this is the veteran bias effect, where certain variants that are flown mostly by veteran or dedicated players produce better scores than "superior" variants that are used as kamikaze or by 2-weekers.
Thats the Havermyr-effect.
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I seem to recall that in his biography Adolf Galland rated the B-26 as the most difficult US bomber to bring down. It had the lowest loss rate of any US aircraft in the ETO, although this was in part likely due to the shorter missions it flew compared to the heavies.
In AH a cockpit shot from above is the weak spot on a B-26, but if you don't have the alt advantage required then concentrating fire on a wing tip is the next best bet.
My gramps had over 75 combat missions in the B26. One of his birds was named "Package for Adolf". I bet my gramps was rattling his cage!
The B26 is so hard to take down in AH. Its very hard to get out in front of them after you make a pass. It takes a tremendous amount of patients to get back out in front of it. I find its the most challenging bomber to take down.
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The B26 wings where know to have very fragile wings, you can read about it :
http://www.aviation-history.com/martin/b26.html (http://www.aviation-history.com/martin/b26.html)
from the link above :
"Not only did it have a different performance envelope from the Boeing B-17, it also proved that it was incapable of defending itself in the hostile European skies and highly vulnerable to flak."
In AH they borrowed the Yak-3's stalinwood for the wings and titanium for the fuselage.
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take 2 people and go to the DA land a B26 by the tank spawn and shoot it with a jeep or sdk see what the damage really is Vs. what you think you shot in game in flight.
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without a database for all the planes in the "durablity competition" comparison would not be possible.
I have only one account, and limited time, and I rather play during that time, than perform static testings.
So a database with all planes with all parts is what's missing.
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Have in mind that we dont have damage to the skin modeled. if the upper surface of the wing is damage the produced lift will decrease and this was probably an issue for the B-26 in ww2 due to the high wing loading.
Flak was a serious problem for the Marauder as it was for the same reason as the B-24 Liberator. Both aircraft had highly efficient airfoils and could not withstand much damage to the wings and continue to fly. In comparison, the wing B-17 Flying Fortress had a much lower wing loading than the B-24 and B-26. The extra wing area made the B-17 less efficient, but it was able withstand greater battle damage to the wings and still get its crews back home.
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I can easily down an A20 with a 2 sec burst from an A8, (about the same as the Yak3 :D)
The B26 only looks irritated when you give it the same treatment.
The last single B26 I shot down took about half my ammo. Compared to B17,B24, Lancasters which normally take about half to 3/4 for the formation. Hardly scientific but they seem to be as tough as IL 2s.
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and if the bomber gunners in WWII were as accurate as they are in here a lot less bombers would have been lost.
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If the fighter cats could feel the physiological effects for just one sortie there would be fewer demi god like fighter jocks.
Meh
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