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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Majors on November 09, 2007, 10:38:33 AM
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Hi Mates
Was anyone up Wednesday in the main arena and have an opportunity to watch the "Flaming P47".
I was in a field gun and knocked some pieces off the 47 during it's first run over the base. Two or three friendlies were chasing it. As I watched, one shot the 47's wing off. It continued flying straight and came around for another run over the base. By this time, someone had shot off the other wing, as it came over we blasted it again and the tail was shot off and it caught fire. It became a flaming streamer.
Even so, it turned around again, and shot down a couple of our guys (one guy twice) and came streaming over the field again. Everything and everybody was shooting at it. By this time, it was a total flaming streamer.
I flew over and headed over the city with about six guys chasing it. Last I saw, it was heading toward home. There was no way to get the pilots handle.
Believe this used to be called "Gaming the Game". Very interesting.
Thought you all might be interested.
Cheeries
Majors
249RAF
Oldest Yank in the RAF
Probably the oldest player in AH2
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Originally posted by Majors
Thought you all might be interested.
Probably not as much as HTC might be. If you see it, film it & send it in.
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I've seen Niks and Zekes burn forever before nosing in. Jugs are a lot more durable. As long as the pilot has ammo and engine power, he's airborne and capable of inflicting damage. Doesn't sound suspicious to me.
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Originally posted by Max
I've seen Niks and Zekes burn forever before nosing in. Jugs are a lot more durable. As long as the pilot has ammo and engine power, he's airborne and capable of inflicting damage. Doesn't sound suspicious to me.
His wing was shot off?
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If 1/2 of both wings are shot of, it is controllable to a degree, if 1/2 of one wing is shot off it is controllable if you keep speed up.
However I would say to send a vid in.
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dang that's some serious lag.
that damage will eventually catch up to 'em.
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Originally posted by Majors
I was in a field gun and knocked some pieces off the 47 during it's first run over the base.
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I was under the impression that 1 hit from a field gun will kill anything.
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Originally posted by sunfan1121
Originally posted by Majors
I was in a field gun and knocked some pieces off the 47 during it's first run over the base.
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I was under the impression that 1 hit from a field gun will kill anything. [/B]
Not always, and especially not with very durable birds like the 47 - they may survive a hit sometimes
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Originally posted by sunfan1121
Originally posted by Majors
I was in a field gun and knocked some pieces off the 47 during it's first run over the base.
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I was under the impression that 1 hit from a field gun will kill anything. [/B]
Depends on Bird. IL2 (flying tank) can (at times) take several hits, shake it off, and keep on flying. P47 is another flying tank. (don't know about wingless and tail-less.....lol)
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Originally posted by sunfan1121
Originally posted by Majors
I was in a field gun and knocked some pieces off the 47 during it's first run over the base.
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I was under the impression that 1 hit from a field gun will kill anything. [/B]
Most. But not all. I've hit a 190-A8 and did not take it down. Smoked his engine but he was still flying.
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Hi Mates
I may have been tooting my own horn as far as hitting the P47. I was shooting in front of him and two aircraft were shooting at him from behind. They may have knocked off the pieces. Since he flew on home, no one got a kill or an assist. If we had, would have known his handle.
Last pass over the field, no wings, tail, and whole aircraft body was in flames.
Wish I could manage that. I'm usually blown out of the sky on low passes over airfields.
Many thanks for all the responses.
Cheers
Majors
249RAF
Oldest Yank in the RAF
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The Jug always seems to absorb alot of damage before giving up the ghost. Still would have been interesting to see a vid.
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Lag or a bug, I think. I've seen this a few times. Sent a couple of films in. When you see something like that, roll some film and email it to HTC, so they can figure it out.
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Originally posted by Majors
...Since he flew on home, no one got a kill or an assist. If we had, would have known his handle.
You could have gotten his handle by asking one of the guys he shot down. They should have gotten a kill message stating who shot them down.
I'm guessing it was just some serious lag though...
MtnMan
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You could have gotten his handle by rolling film and reviewing it.
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Stupid question: can't it be HTC experimenting drone A.I. in Main? After all, the description fits what happens when you shoot offline drones and you don't make them explode... add some A.I. routine and you may have an explanation for what happened...
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Originally posted by Majors
There was no way to get the pilots handle.
Ask the guy he killed
Hit Alt-R
Auger within 2K of him
Let him kill you
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A squaddie had a film recently of a spit doing the same thing. It flew home wing and tailless. Some said it was the CT AI testing.
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I hit record just because someone runs.. I like to know who to put in the hall of shame:D
if you see something weird do the same and send it to HTC.... otherwise you are just a rabble rouser.
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Originally posted by wooly15
A squaddie had a film recently of a spit doing the same thing. It flew home wing and tailless. Some said it was the CT AI testing.
Did the spit driver have a name on film?
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I fly a couple-hundred jug sorties each camp, (usually N) and it NEVER burns more than 20 seconds before exploding, not even enough time to ditch in water if ya were alREADY on the deck:furious On other hand, jap planes flame on for a good minute or so--odd, considering the materials most of them were made of
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Originally posted by Donzo
Did the spit driver have a name on film?
I do recall him having a name, I'll see if I can dig it up and see if they match.
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Originally posted by Max
I've seen Niks and Zekes burn forever before nosing in. Jugs are a lot more durable. As long as the pilot has ammo and engine power, he's airborne and capable of inflicting damage. Doesn't sound suspicious to me.
well, don;t forget...he DID say that both wings ended up being removed, along with the tail, and it continued to fly....i know the jugs were very durable(unles i'm flying it:rofl )but i think that even a jug nees wings and a tail to fly....
now......the zekes seem to me to last about 1 to 2 minutes....when i keep fighting in them after i'm ignited......about the same in my p38g the other night when the right engine was lit up.........
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Always hit your record button when you see stuff like this. We had a spitfire lose its wings and tail, yet continue to fly normally and fight us. It was filmed, sent in...and no one by that handle flies anymore :D
*edit* oh, you can see their name if you record it; as well as see inside their cockpit and check to see if it's just your client seeing the wings gone or the plane on fire...
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LAG
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Originally posted by Majors
Hi Mates
Was anyone up Wednesday in the main arena and have an opportunity to watch the "Flaming P47".
I was in a field gun and knocked some pieces off the 47 during it's first run over the base. Two or three friendlies were chasing it. As I watched, one shot the 47's wing off. It continued flying straight and came around for another run over the base. By this time, someone had shot off the other wing, as it came over we blasted it again and the tail was shot off and it caught fire. It became a flaming streamer.
Even so, it turned around again, and shot down a couple of our guys (one guy twice) and came streaming over the field again. Everything and everybody was shooting at it. By this time, it was a total flaming streamer.
I flew over and headed over the city with about six guys chasing it. Last I saw, it was heading toward home. There was no way to get the pilots handle.
Believe this used to be called "Gaming the Game". Very interesting.
Thought you all might be interested.
Cheeries
Majors
249RAF
Oldest Yank in the RAF
Probably the oldest player in AH2
I have film of a Ki84 flying around with no wings. This happened two tours ago and I never submitted it.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Not always, and especially not with very durable birds like the 47 - they may survive a hit sometimes
Only birds that have ever lasted more than one hit are the TBM, Il2 and buffs (gv's not included). Anything else, one ping down from the cartoon sky.
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Originally posted by Warspawn
... and check to see if it's just your client seeing the wings gone or the plane on fire...
I'm afraid this can't be done, except by HTC. In the movie, you'll see what you saw in game, on your front end, not what happened on someone else's.
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This has been around for at least a year or so...at least I remember seeing the same thing (and having about the same sense of outrage) way back when. Makes me wonder if there is a bug that occasionally fails to update the targeted client of damage -- that would explain why the server tells everyone else about the flaming hulk status, but the pilot's front end isnt aware.
Having been around when real...ummmm....digitally managed sportsmanship failure? (can't use the C or the H word, ya know)....was occurring, I seriously doubt this is deliberate. Something about the perpetrators' psychology makes it very hard for them to use their lame advantage selectively, and before long their names become known. If this was deliberate, chances are that many people would see the same name over and over...and we'd all be sending films in.
As always, best solution is to send the film in. If it's a bug, then more data means more likelihood of finding the problem. If its a dastardly delinquent, then the hard film data will result in the player's sudden and permanent disappearance from the game.
And when you get upset about possible haxxors, remember that while this is an entertaining game for us, it's where HiTech makes his living. If you think they don't care about problems, you're fooling yourself.
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Originally posted by Gianlupo
I'm afraid this can't be done, except by HTC. In the movie, you'll see what you saw in game, on your front end, not what happened on someone else's.
The film I have is not an "HTC drone". In fact, the plane is flying around for almost 2 minutes.
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i had some bad connection issues a while back and sometimes i was able to fly around for minutes after i lost UDP.
i would be flying around, shoot something that didnt take damage, then get shot and not take damage, then shoot something else and not damage it. then, bored and annoyed i would start flying home.
Then when i would be about to land the text buffer would come alive again and i would get a couple of kills at the same time as losing all my plane parts and crashing from the damage i had not taken 5 mins ago.
so if it isnt CT testing of AI then its just lag i think.
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Originally posted by Gianlupo
I'm afraid this can't be done, except by HTC. In the movie, you'll see what you saw in game, on your front end, not what happened on someone else's.
Originally posted by Masherbrum
The film I have is not an "HTC drone". In fact, the plane is flying around for almost 2 minutes.
This would agree with what Gianlupo said- You saw the plane with damage, you filmed the plane with damage, when you reviewed the film it had damage.
Your FE saw the plane with damage, so it recorded it that way. Jumping into the other plane doesn't give you a view of what the other guys FE saw. It just shows you what his view was based on what your FE saw.
BatfinkV, I lose UDP almost everytime I play, with no apparant effect other than during the 10 seconds or so while the UDP/TCP switch is going on. I generally lose it on my way to my first fight. (Crappy dial-up? I connect at 26.4K). I never get booted as a result, and my "Net Status" line is flat other than during the switch.
MtnMan
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it seems weird that the "flamer" would have such a bad connection that he is not registering the hits/damage.. BUT his connection is good enough for him to actively pursue and shoot down other planes..
:noid
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Mtmman, I don't know why Karaya quoted that sentence of mine, I think he misquoted... I think he meant that in his movie he saw the name of the pilot and that it wasn't a drone, but a player. This would make sense in relation to my first post.
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Originally posted by Gianlupo
Mtmman, I don't know why Karaya quoted that sentence of mine, I think he misquoted... I think he meant that in his movie he saw the name of the pilot and that it wasn't a drone, but a player. This would make sense in relation to my first post.
Yes. It WAS a player.
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Interestingly enough, I saw this same scenario again tonight. Some guy in a 190A8 flying around missing lots of parts- nothing major, just his entire tail section and both wings missing. I believe someone else saw the same phenomenen from the same player a few hours later. Kind of odd if it's just a bug, and stranger still that they don't appear warpy, or unable to kill others, just unable to be killed themselves.
Don't know if HTC is paying attention here, but I have another film if they're interested.
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Originally posted by bj229r
I fly a couple-hundred jug sorties each camp, (usually N) and it NEVER burns more than 20 seconds before exploding, not even enough time to ditch in water if ya were alREADY on the deck:furious On other hand, jap planes flame on for a good minute or so--odd, considering the materials most of them were made of
I think I may have happened on a bug two weeks ago. A fuel tank that was empty was hit, and I got the big flame trail. I figured I was short for the world, but after a minute or so of not exploding, I just kept flying. Flew for another 8 minutes, RTB'd, and safely landed. Perhaps it has something to do with empty tanks getting hit?
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Stoney-far too logical. This is a proper witch hunt, man! Burn, Burn, Burn!!! :aok
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Originally posted by EndofSilence
Stoney-far too logical. This is a proper witch hunt, man! Burn, Burn, Burn!!! :aok
Only farm implements with an ENY of 25 can be used
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Originally posted by Stoney74
I think I may have happened on a bug two weeks ago. A fuel tank that was empty was hit, and I got the big flame trail. I figured I was short for the world, but after a minute or so of not exploding, I just kept flying. Flew for another 8 minutes, RTB'd, and safely landed. Perhaps it has something to do with empty tanks getting hit?
Possible, as 'main fuel' is the thing 90% the time
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Yes. It WAS a player.
Yup, this is what I'd assumed from your first post. You filmed a damaged plane, and saw a damaged plane on film. Makes sense to me.
Just saying it's not necessarily what the other guy saw. Getting in his plane on film and looking out to see his plane on fire doesn't mean the other guy saw himself on fire.
Had he recorded the fight from his end he probably didn't show any damage.
I'm guessing just some lag at work, or another internet hiccup.
I've seen what you're referring to though. I just saw an incident of it about a week ago. I ignored the guy since he was no factor in my sortie, and I didn't need another assist. In that case he got swarmed and pummeled shortly thereafter. A 190 I believe, flying around on fire with no wings. Poor fella.
MtnMan
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Originally posted by bj229r
Possible, as 'main fuel' is the thing 90% the time
I was in an "N", and I think it was the Aux tank or one of the wings.
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Most likely lag or a bug, however, there are other possible ways that I don't think the average AH jockey would know however. But I have too seen this happen a couple times.