lefty, you downloaded the alpha or do you even have a game subscription?
Sorry to butt in.... downloaded the alpha... surprised to find my system will run it. I feel like the kid commenting on the Emperor's New Clothes.... I like the current look better. The canopy scratches are cool but I find the cartoon scale has risen...not fallen. Sorry again.
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Post by: FESS67 on September 15, 2015, 09:57:46 PM
Can we download and play the alpha?
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Post by: Easyscor on September 15, 2015, 10:00:51 PM
Sorry to butt in.... downloaded the alpha... surprised to find my system will run it. I feel like the kid commenting on the Emperor's New Clothes.... I like the current look better. The canopy scratches are cool but I find the cartoon scale has risen...not fallen. Sorry again.
It runs much better, minus the clouds and some of the goodies turned off. The cockpit looks much more realistic with glass reflections what with the improvements in tracers, explosions, fire etc. Not sure what you mean by cartoon scale maybe the colours are much more vibrant/brighter than the dull looking current version.
To test it fully and measure up how it will run with larger fights, as seen in the MA, we DO need more guys to download it and look at the europe map with AI missions. The more people test the quicker HT can roll this out.
When HT does decide to unleash it on the rest of the crowd I don't doubt for a second we will hear :x I can't play anymore whines from guys who haven't even bothered to look at the Alpha because capturing base A256 is of far more importance. You can't stop progress so adapt now and get your heads straight because doing this :bhead :bhead :bhead is not cricket.
Even driving a GV (yuk) around the new towns and strats would be a start in seeing how the objects blow up and look.
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Post by: USRanger on September 16, 2015, 02:17:00 AM
Wait til you see what I can do with it. Just wait! :cool:
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Post by: nooby52 on September 16, 2015, 08:07:29 AM
I was on the Alpha this weekend for a bit, offline, in a tank, and I gotta say: I love new terrain with the swaying trees and grass, the pretty flowers and the rock outcrops. Shoot, the whole scene at ground level is totally new and completely awesome. With my new graphics card I'm getting 59-60 fps even with all the detail turn up. the explosions are awesome, too. I'm not a true ground-pounder like some of you, but I really appreciate what's been done so far.
Only one gripe: can they make it so that a single bamboo stalk doesn't stop a Panzer cold? Please? It's been that way forever, and just befuddles me.
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Post by: Someguy63 on September 16, 2015, 09:56:57 AM
SA - NE of Jo Burg - Going to Kevin Richardson (the lion whisperer) sanctuary for a week to help out. You Tube him - amazing guy
Heard of him, extraordinary stuff. Be safe and have a good time. :aok
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Post by: DmonSlyr on September 16, 2015, 10:26:28 AM
I am still having a lot of fun during the evening time for the most part. I don't get to play during the day because of work, but I realize there is a slow spot during the early mornings and mid day. The furballs are still fun. I will switch teams so that I can fight against the hoard and big red dar bar. That is the most fun for me. If there isn't any action, roll off a CV next to a base and bomb the hell out of it. That is normally pretty fun, despite the ack, but sometimes you will potentially start a fun CV fight. You'd be surprised how many uppers you can get by going to jabo a random base, especially if you do it with a squad.
I hear a lot of sentiment on the BBS regarding slow game play and lack of players. However, if you play during the evening time and cannot find a fight, I recommend you fly to a random base and attack it, or switch sides. Yesterday I flew into hoards of red guys and was having a blast while fighting for the bish. I dont like fighting on the bish side, but they usually have the best furballs since both teams attack them a lot. Also, becoming better at the game will also help you have more fun and get more kills, or be more successful in your game style.
I know Hitech is doing everything he can to make the new version better and fun to play. I really hope they can achieve a successful marketing plan that will attract new players once the new version is out. Like I've said before, WT and IL-2 have already created a huge market for WW2 fighters. Now all Hitech has to do is steal them and get them hooked on a much better overall game. I know it sounds crazy, but if you can market on a channel like Comedy Central or adult swin, or channels that come standard with cheap cable, we can attract a lot of new players. I hope the game can attract a lot of new players again. You wouldn't believe what this game is like with 600+ people on. I feel we will get there, but there has got to be a marketing campaign.
Please please Hitech, let dolby, or another great video maker create a commercial for you to splurge all over TV. 1 badarse commercial on a channel viewed by millions of people will have a lot of new people checking out the game. Offer a 1 month free promotion and BOOM, I know the #s would increase.
Great work so far though, I am glad you are making the game better and I cant wait to play it. :salute
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Post by: waystin2 on September 16, 2015, 10:48:39 AM
See Rule #6
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Post by: bustr on September 16, 2015, 01:41:07 PM
WoW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Waystin got rule#....... :O
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Post by: pipz on September 16, 2015, 05:18:03 PM
Sorry to butt in.... downloaded the alpha... surprised to find my system will run it. I feel like the kid commenting on the Emperor's New Clothes.... I like the current look better. The canopy scratches are cool but I find the cartoon scale has risen...not fallen. Sorry again.
Busher :salute bud...hope to see ya back on someday.... :cheers:
Hawk
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Post by: molybdenum on September 16, 2015, 08:25:25 PM
If there isn't any action, roll off a CV next to a base and bomb the hell out of it.
Totally uncool to the people on the team who drove the CV there so they could take a base. How hard is it to fly a sector to find a fight vs half a sector?
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Post by: JimmyC on September 17, 2015, 03:35:03 AM
Totally uncool to the people on the team who drove the CV there so they could take a base. How hard is it to fly a sector to find a fight vs half a sector?
Lol like they really drove it there to take a base. 95% of time the CV sits off shore waiting to be sunk while no one even bothers to roll from it or guard it. In low # times it doesn't matter that much anyway.
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Post by: DubiousKB on September 17, 2015, 10:20:53 AM
Public Relation Public Relations Public Relations. If you advertise, they will come. Bite the bullet and place those advertisements on multiple platforms. Cable TV, Netflix, Youtube, Popular WWII websites, etc.
Give out 1 month subscriptions in magazines! I dunno.
I realize it's not my business nor my money, but I would like to think that the reward of an influx in customers would be worth the risk.
Love the idea of putting an ad on late night cable; Adult Swim/Cartoon Network type of channels would be your demographic. hardcore youth gamers who've started to grow up... but not too much! :devil
Gamers who are starting to get disposable income, those that are owning their first credit card, those gamers that played flight simulators as they were in their infancy and simply don't realize there is this amazing game and community.
It was by pure dumb luck that I found this game... I was looking for a flight simulator (actually trying to find the old Secret Weapons Of The Luftwaffe!) when I happen-chance stumbled onto Aces High. Point is, if a gamer doesn't know about your game, game over.
P.S. HTC and co. ignore me and finish up the amazing looking AH3 please... Then we can worry about growing the player base off of that polished gem...
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Post by: morfiend on September 17, 2015, 11:33:47 AM
Maybe I'm not the right person to comment but I dont think TV ads will do much unless you have lots on money to flood the airwaves with multiple commercials,sort of like those free to play games..... :rolleyes:
I watch a fair amount of TV,but I seldom see commercials as I record/PVR most the shows and skip the ads whenever possible. I also watch several commercial free or low ad content channels simply because I hate being interupted with some TV ad.
I dont think I'm that far from what most do so TV ads IMHO are not the best value these days. 10 or 15 years ago I would have been on the bandwagon with pushing for TV ads but not so much today.
Social media,whatever that is, seems to be the wave of the future,a rat farts in india and it's all over the net,complete with video and commentary.
I like to wear my AH Tshirt when I go out were there's going to be a crowd and often people stop me and ask what my shirt all about. I think a buddy pass type system plus a free trial would do wonders.
Players could convince a friend to try the game then tell them if they like it all they need do is sign up for the 2 week free trial,which IMHO should be increased to a month or 30 days whichever comes first.
Then the rest lays at the feet of the players,if you are helpfull and treat others the way you would want to be treated we just might see those 5 to 600 player nights again!
As usual YMMV.
:salute
Title: Re: Yo you going to let this game die or what?
Post by: bustr on September 17, 2015, 01:17:52 PM
You gents really need to get the alpha and take part in the Eruo arena massive missions. Then catch on to the timing I suspect Hitech is planning. He cannot saturate the system with advertisements while there is really nothing to show up for.
The alpha at this point is WoW!!!!!!
But it is too soon for any kind of add blitz. People will just get bored waiting for the real deal to get released while we are doing our best to help Hitech work out the kinks.
If any of you have problems with the default graphics settings, turn of clutter, post lighting and put the environment slider to "0". The alpha will still look incredibly better than AH2 and you will be able to play with the massive cloud banks over the continent.
Hitech made a tweek with alpha75 that made it possible for me to leave the defaults on(I still disable clutter) and keep FPS 40-50's while flying around 60 bombers. The day before with alpha74 my FPS was 2-7 just coming into icon range with those bombers and I had to turn off all the things I listed above. So Hitech is still purpose tweeking the monster to be friendly with us.
The alpha needs bodies testing it to help Hitech get it tweeked and ready for prime time.
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Post by: xbrit on September 17, 2015, 03:20:59 PM
You gents really need to get the alpha and take part in the Eruo arena massive missions. Then catch on to the timing I suspect Hitech is planning. He cannot saturate the system with advertisements while there is really nothing to show up for.
The alpha at this point is WoW!!!!!!
But it is too soon for any kind of add blitz. People will just get bored waiting for the real deal to get released while we are doing our best to help Hitech work out the kinks.
If any of you have problems with the default graphics settings, turn of clutter, post lighting and put the environment slider to "0". The alpha will still look incredibly better than AH2 and you will be able to play with the massive cloud banks over the continent.
Hitech made a tweek with alpha75 that made it possible for me to leave the defaults on(I still disable clutter) and keep FPS 40-50's while flying around 60 bombers. The day before with alpha74 my FPS was 2-7 just coming into icon range with those bombers and I had to turn off all the things I listed above. So Hitech is still purpose tweeking the monster to be friendly with us.
The alpha needs bodies testing it to help Hitech get it tweeked and ready for prime time.
I am trying the alpha again, maybe it's my settings but it looks like a kids coloring book for me. I have no problem with FR getting between 50-60 with everything on. All the colors just seem over done, if I look outside in RL the grass isn't a lime color, I have turned down the brightness but still get these strange colors. This is what turned me off trying the alpha the first time and I deleted it.
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Post by: BuckShot on September 17, 2015, 03:46:54 PM
It still has angular windows where they should be round! Is it that hard to make a perfectly round window in the 17 turret, or round edges in the 38 cockpit? The gunsights are round.
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Post by: Lusche on September 17, 2015, 03:47:57 PM
If this alpha is a good indication of the 'new' AH, I will be out here the day it goes live (at the latest.). But considering the gameplay issues we currently have (mostly: numbers & map size & HQ) I very well might not even see that day. Though I'd like to make it to my personal 10 years AH jubilee ;)
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Post by: bustr on September 17, 2015, 04:27:58 PM
It still has angular windows where they should be round! Is it that hard to make a perfectly round window in the 17 turret, or round edges in the 38 cockpit? The gunsights are round.
Dang, somebody finally noticed. They better be round, I made them that way. But, then they are only an 8bit 512x512 graphic displayed in a window with in a window. So yes you can get ROUND alright.
I suspect you can have round windows about the time DCS, WT and IL2 can get 600 players into a single arena of 400 sectors each 625sq miles without all the players needing to run super god Godzilla class PC and graphics cards. Games that can have round whatchamacallits can't have more than about 32 players active in an arena with the arena not being more than about 10mile x 10mile or some such limitation. Or just you alone with a few AI.
Let me guess, you have a PC in the same class as Pudgie and Chalenge while not giving a ratz hairy bits if Hitech can still get players with legacy PC into the AH3 arenas. Which would end up with you and about 31 other players in the MA if that. This is like purse slapping the chef at the Ritz because your steak was one degree F off of medium rare.
If you want something to really bip Hitech over, the gunsight in the new Hurri model, should have been in the spit1 and Hurri1 since the day they were released 14 years ago.
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Post by: Zoney on September 17, 2015, 04:31:07 PM
I don't think Bustr likes his attitude.
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Post by: xbrit on September 17, 2015, 04:43:02 PM
Here are some screenshots I just took, maybe someone could suggest how to improve the looks for me. (http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x132/xbrit58/ahss21_zpsbuulupn9.png) (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/xbrit58/media/ahss21_zpsbuulupn9.png.html) (http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x132/xbrit58/ahss1_zpsb1ipbuew.png) (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/xbrit58/media/ahss1_zpsb1ipbuew.png.html) (http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x132/xbrit58/ahss19_zps3ehudboa.png) (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/xbrit58/media/ahss19_zps3ehudboa.png.html)
Title: Re: Yo you going to let this game die or what?
Post by: save on September 17, 2015, 06:30:48 PM
xbrit, you can probably lower the saturation quite a bit with your graphics card settings
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Post by: caldera on September 17, 2015, 06:39:29 PM
I am trying the alpha again, maybe it's my settings but it looks like a kids coloring book for me. I have no problem with FR getting between 50-60 with everything on. All the colors just seem over done, if I look outside in RL the grass isn't a lime color, I have turned down the brightness but still get these strange colors. This is what turned me off trying the alpha the first time and I deleted it.
turn off post lightning if it has that much of an effect. TBH I kind of agree that setting is a little OTT.
I saw your latest reply and I think the new grass looks fine. If anything the current version looks dull now that I am used to this one. :P
If this alpha is a good indication of the 'new' AH, I will be out here the day it goes live (at the latest.). But considering the gameplay issues we currently have (mostly: numbers & map size & HQ) I very well might not even see that day. Though I'd like to make it to my personal 10 years AH jubilee ;)
in what sense Lusche ?? the AI? I highly doubt HT will put them in the MA they are just a good training tool for the more empty arenas. So you will have the same game as AH2 with every graphic detail upgraded? what is not to like about that?
If one was being obtuse you could argue they provide more of a challenge than 90% of the human players in the MA (no offence guys :P)
Title: Re: Yo you going to let this game die or what?
Post by: lefty2 on September 18, 2015, 01:00:28 AM
None of this other stuff matters. Nobody likes to hangout at a dead party with nobody there. No players, no money honey, no money GAME OVER
you need more players, get some before you figure out its to late!
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Post by: Bruv119 on September 18, 2015, 01:01:19 AM
None of this other stuff matters. Nobody likes to hangout at a dead party with nobody there. No players, no money honey, no money GAME OVER
you need more players, get some before you figure out its to late!
Hi Lefty,
You have a point but maybe HTC came to this conclusion over 2 years ago when they decided to lock waffle up in the basement and begin a new development cycle to upgrade the game entirely. These things do not happen overnight and you have to believe and trust in HTC that when they release this version they will back it up with some sort of marketing push to grab and keep some more players. It makes far more sense to do that once you have a completed product than go half cocked running around saying the sky is falling.
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Post by: NatCigg on September 18, 2015, 03:44:38 AM
:bhead 32 player max with constant lag haks and wait times. sure you go have your fun elsewhere. :ahand in fact your desire for someone else to do more work will still be there in the end. get a nap and try again tomorrow.
p.s. :neener: fly bish kill knights!
dweebs! :banana:
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Post by: BuckShot on September 18, 2015, 05:51:23 AM
Dang, somebody finally noticed. They better be round, I made them that way. But, then they are only an 8bit 512x512 graphic displayed in a window with in a window. So yes you can get ROUND alright.
I suspect you can have round windows about the time DCS, WT and IL2 can get 600 players into a single arena of 400 sectors each 625sq miles without all the players needing to run super god Godzilla class PC and graphics cards. Games that can have round whatchamacallits can't have more than about 32 players active in an arena with the arena not being more than about 10mile x 10mile or some such limitation. Or just you alone with a few AI.
Let me guess, you have a PC in the same class as Pudgie and Chalenge while not giving a ratz hairy bits if Hitech can still get players with legacy PC into the AH3 arenas. Which would end up with you and about 31 other players in the MA if that. This is like purse slapping the chef at the Ritz because your steak was one degree F off of medium rare.
If you want something to really bip Hitech over, the gunsight in the new Hurri model, should have been in the spit1 and Hurri1 since the day they were released 14 years ago.
I have a mid grade pc and the above assumptions are incorrect. I just don't understand why we have angular 'curves' in some places like windows, and perfectly round items in others.
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Post by: Randy1 on September 18, 2015, 06:54:39 AM
Guys, don't look at the alpha and make an assumption that you know how AH3 will come out.
On AH2 graphics. Mustang2 and i do a far amount of heavy fighter work. W fly close together on the way to the target. We both are impressed with the details we see in the planes when close. Neat too to watch a plane part go past your plane from a kill 4 miles above. Tons of detail most don't ever see.
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Post by: FLS on September 18, 2015, 08:36:33 AM
I have a mid grade pc and the above assumptions are incorrect. I just don't understand why we have angular 'curves' in some places like windows, and perfectly round items in others.
The round items aren't 3D. Making 3D items rounder would kill your frame rate.
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Post by: Zoney on September 18, 2015, 11:29:08 AM
If you are a Euro flyer, you can actually really get such an impression. Yesterday I logged in shortly before my prime time. 56 players on a gargantuan map like Ozkansas, 17 of them on my side. And of course, HQ was down and still had 2 hours of downtime left.
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Post by: Wiley on September 18, 2015, 11:59:29 AM
If you are a Euro flyer, you can actually really get such an impression. Yesterday I logged in shortly before my prime time. 56 players on a gargantuan map like Ozkansas, 17 of them on my side. And of course, HQ was down and still had 2 hours of downtime left.
If that was my primetime, I doubt I would be here. I really do feel bad for the off-hours crew. I am on Mountain time and usually go to bed around 2 AM Eastern. If I'm flying I usually log around 12:00 Eastern and find something else to do because the numbers generally peter out around then.
Weekend daytime is usually dead as well, with not much going on and a larger percentage of the people who are on being milkrunners/bomb and bailers. Evenings are really the only time gameplay is decent, and there are times when even then it's dead in the air.
Wiley.
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Post by: Kazaa on September 18, 2015, 01:06:23 PM
xbrit, you can probably lower the saturation quite a bit with your graphics card settings
Cheeky.
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Post by: SlipKnt on September 18, 2015, 01:16:37 PM
I am finishing up from my move last year and finally purchasing a home in the next month.
Once I am finally settled in I plan to put more hours into the game. I believe I have a handful of squaddies sort of going through the same things.
We intend to make a presence again. Just keep in mind, we are not just sweep and furball guys. We come at your base like a spider monkey loaded up on crack and sugar with the intent of causing harm. And our intentions are ill-willed.
We hope to be able to contribute back to the game and create more actions. We have been pretty much non existent in the MAs and making our appearances in FSO primarily.
Hopefully we do our part to make it fun for all involved!
:rock SlipKnoT
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Post by: caldera on September 18, 2015, 03:34:58 PM
Zoney They have lost at least half of there subscribers since, so yes the sky is falling. I don't know how any business can go forward with losses like that, but maybe there an oddball I'm not on the in side. I do hope they make it but capitalism has a way of ending silliness.
example: Go to youtube watch an aceshigh video and you will see ads from there competitors.
ignore such things at your peril.
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Post by: Wiley on September 18, 2015, 04:58:00 PM
Zoney They have lost at least half of there subscribers since, so yes the sky is falling. I don't know how any business can go forward with losses like that, but maybe there an oddball I'm not on the in side. I do hope they make it but capitalism has a way of ending silliness.
example: Go to youtube watch an aceshigh video and you will see ads from there competitors.
ignore such things at your peril.
Just think though. One day the game will shut down, and Lefty will be able to say "I saw this coming since 2006! Told you all! But nobody listened!"
New version coming out. No point in raising awareness previous to that because the state the game's in now, it's theoretically not as attractive as it will be.
What happens after the release will be what determines if things improve or stay status quo. An ad blitz before AH3 releases would be counterproductive.
Wiley.
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Post by: 715 on September 18, 2015, 05:36:32 PM
I have a mid grade pc and the above assumptions are incorrect. I just don't understand why we have angular 'curves' in some places like windows, and perfectly round items in others.
The gunsight is round because it isn't a 3D rendered object, it's just a bitmap drawing used as a texture. For plane windows, which are 3D polygon objects, to be round requires way more polygons. This is because almost all graphic cards can only render 3D surfaces as a collection of straight triangular segments. To make something approximately round, like an engine nacelle or window, requires you use multiple short segments, i.e. many surface polygons. This slows rendering down because many more triangular polygon surfaces must be rendered. There is always the tradeoff between smooth detail and rendering speed.
There may be a few advanced professional graphics systems than can render B-spline surfaces (smooth curves), but not for game computers. What modern game computer graphic cards do have are tessellation systems which automatically interpolate smooth detail by adding extra polygons. I thinks some advanced games use them. I am not sure how much they impact rendering speed.
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Post by: bustr on September 18, 2015, 05:58:54 PM
I had to disable AMD tessellation to gain back FPS in AH2 and the alpha. I got the impression reading at AMD the game developer has to write the game's video functions specifically to use it. It's on the player to actually look up these things to see if they help or hurt FPS in AH2 and then AH3 if you don't have a Godzilla class video card.
Wonder what Hitech did that has Lefty this bitter since 2006? Hitech seems to have a Mickey Mouse type fan club of ticked off fans who periodically drop bombs about the end of days for Aces High.
Wonder if their little caps have horns instead of big round ears.... :O
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Post by: oboe on September 18, 2015, 06:48:45 PM
Maybe I'm not the right person to comment but I dont think TV ads will do much unless you have lots on money to flood the airwaves with multiple commercials,sort of like those free to play games..... :rolleyes:
I watch a fair amount of TV,but I seldom see commercials as I record/PVR most the shows and skip the ads whenever possible. I also watch several commercial free or low ad content channels simply because I hate being interupted with some TV ad.
I dont think I'm that far from what most do so TV ads IMHO are not the best value these days. 10 or 15 years ago I would have been on the bandwagon with pushing for TV ads but not so much today.
Social media,whatever that is, seems to be the wave of the future,a rat farts in india and it's all over the net,complete with video and commentary.
I like to wear my AH Tshirt when I go out were there's going to be a crowd and often people stop me and ask what my shirt all about. I think a buddy pass type system plus a free trial would do wonders.
Players could convince a friend to try the game then tell them if they like it all they need do is sign up for the 2 week free trial,which IMHO should be increased to a month or 30 days whichever comes first.
Then the rest lays at the feet of the players,if you are helpfull and treat others the way you would want to be treated we just might see those 5 to 600 player nights again!
As usual YMMV.
:salute
I think a few years ago now, HTC advertised AH on the History Channel, or something like that, using a promo video called "Fly Aces High". I'm sure they kept track of the results of that marketing campaign, and know $ cost per new player. I think it did result in an influx of new players, but only HTC knows what the ROI was.
Maybe an inexpensive way to increase numbers is gamer-to-gamer word-of-mouth. They could implement something like WT does, except as a clipboard MOTD popup, maybe once a month - the first time a player logs in after his month-a-versary:
I wonder also if it would be cost effective to print a bunch of CDs and put them in cardboard envelopes, and send a few dozen to every WWII aviation museum around the country, for free give-away in the museum's book shop. (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/198507_front.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/tjlaven/media/198507_front.jpg.html) And I've always thought it would be great for AH to have an organized presence at air shows. Build a few demo cockpits and hook them up in a tent, let air show attendees fly the planes online to see what its all about and give them a free game CD when they leave.
Last thing I can thing of that might help is a real cinematic presence on YouTube. And I don't mean filming your flights and setting it to a soundtrack of rock music, I mean planned short films and movies like Dolby, LePape2 and NirosAH2 did. "Hunt or Prey" and "Fly to Live" still get my blood pumping, imagine them with AH3 graphics. VuduVince has some great video tutorials, too.
Title: Re: Yo you going to let this game die or what?
Post by: bustr on September 18, 2015, 07:20:43 PM
During WW2 the NAVY put out a number of air combat instructional films. I remember one that showed the reasons in detail for working as a wing pair, and following your lessons from air combat training. The film took place from a carrier that had flights out looking for a Japanese scout plane. The first flight out found the scout and the method of tracking then attacking was illustrated. The second team out was two slackers scrambled for another scout who screwed the pooch and needed a third team to finish off the scout using the training SOP of the time before it located the CV.
I've always wondered why someone has never used clips and audio from those films, then injected AH footage to showcase doing the same thing in the game beginning to end of the movie. I doubt there would be copy write issues. Just a boat load of AH filming to mirror the action as closely as possible in the NAVY film and a month of AVI film editing.
The alpha Euro arena big week bomber mission over the continent with the giant banks of clouds and gargantuan B17 stream is mind blowing. Especially from the cockpit of a German attacker with gaggles of G14, 110 and 152 everywhere slicing through. It's pretty breath taking as a gunner trying to survive. The NAVY film I'm talking about used Wildcats from a CV. I doubt anyone would mind the 6 fighters being F6f looking for a Betty unless Waffle kicks out updated 3D models to replace all the AH1 models some time soon.
The alpha looks good enough to insert segments into some 1940's instructional or PR air combat film to help new customers get the bug for AH3.
Title: Re: Yo you going to let this game die or what?
Post by: lefty2 on September 18, 2015, 07:25:52 PM
o brother lololololooolool
I'm not bitter, I just want more players!!!! Who is responsible for the loss of half there subscribers? In the real world someone would lose there job. Who ever is running the show seems disorganized at best. How about a target release date for AH3? A common practice among stable companies.
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Post by: BuckShot on September 18, 2015, 08:50:20 PM
715, Thank you for the explanation.
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Post by: NatCigg on September 18, 2015, 09:31:38 PM
The gunsight is round because it isn't a 3D rendered object, it's just a bitmap drawing used as a texture. For plane windows, which are 3D polygon objects, to be round requires way more polygons. This is because almost all graphic cards can only render 3D surfaces as a collection of straight triangular segments. To make something approximately round, like an engine nacelle or window, requires you use multiple short segments, i.e. many surface polygons. This slows rendering down because many more triangular polygon surfaces must be rendered. There is always the tradeoff between smooth detail and rendering speed.
There may be a few advanced professional graphics systems than can render B-spline surfaces (smooth curves), but not for game computers. What modern game computer graphic cards do have are tessellation systems which automatically interpolate smooth detail by adding extra polygons. I thinks some advanced games use them. I am not sure how much they impact rendering speed.
I like the idea of making it more cartoon, not to say realisim is not the goal but a clean looking game in 3d with lots of players and a smooth running experience is worth gold. cheap tricks and painted background is lame imo. AH's great gaming experience allows my skills to show through. :old:
The sky is the limit with AH3. if things are that bad there is not much room to go down. Lowering the cost could bring more in, i would bet big money that is HTC's number one problem. They will have to figure it out. I hope they keep the openness of the arenas because that is whats separates the game from the rest. Unfortunately the community has defaulted away from WW2 missions and needs htcs help to bring back that excitement. I see it in the missions program they have made and hope the can incorporate it in a successful manner. the biggest problem i see is the open world is more appealing and restricted by the masses desire to be lame (shakes had at selfish dweebs). simply put, in they end they need more numbers to make it all work. a tough task indeed.
:salute sorry it had to be this way, a true champion like walmart will survive, but a well buttered and hand crafted pie will die. not for lack of effort, but more a selfish result of the customer.
ill put my my money with grandma, she will not be here forever but ill support her to the end. and beyond.
:airplane:
Title: Re: Yo you going to let this game die or what?
Post by: Busher on September 20, 2015, 08:40:40 PM
It runs much better, minus the clouds and some of the goodies turned off. The cockpit looks much more realistic with glass reflections what with the improvements in tracers, explosions, fire etc. Not sure what you mean by cartoon scale maybe the colours are much more vibrant/brighter than the dull looking current version.
To test it fully and measure up how it will run with larger fights, as seen in the MA, we DO need more guys to download it and look at the europe map with AI missions. The more people test the quicker HT can roll this out.
When HT does decide to unleash it on the rest of the crowd I don't doubt for a second we will hear :x I can't play anymore whines from guys who haven't even bothered to look at the Alpha because capturing base A256 is of far more importance. You can't stop progress so adapt now and get your heads straight because doing this :bhead :bhead :bhead is not cricket.
Even driving a GV (yuk) around the new towns and strats would be a start in seeing how the objects blow up and look.
Wow I just down loaded the Europe terrain you mentioned and it seems my machine can't come close to running it. Current game...60 fps with everything up to max. New game.....22 fps with it cranked way down.
So, lets see. do I invest a G in computer parts to play a game? let me think.....No :bolt:
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Post by: JimmyC on September 20, 2015, 08:54:21 PM
maybe you can just upgrade your vid card then..
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Post by: Rich46yo on September 20, 2015, 10:07:51 PM
Im kinda surprised they havnt taken the obvious step and gone to only two sides using only the smaller maps. That at least would give noobs the impression "something" was going on.
I know everyone likes their chess pieces but we'd adjust.
Title: Re: Yo you going to let this game die or what?
Post by: Mitchell on September 21, 2015, 06:50:29 AM
I'm not bitter, I just want more players!!!! Who is responsible for the loss of half there subscribers? In the real world someone would lose there job. Who ever is running the show seems disorganized at best. How about a target release date for AH3? A common practice among stable companies.
It has been a long and slow decline starting with the recession in the economy. Plus setting a release date is not a good idea, it has resulted in many botched game releases in the past due to development teams being rushed and unable to flesh everything out.(Rome 2)
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Post by: The Fugitive on September 21, 2015, 08:09:50 AM
Im kinda surprised they havnt taken the obvious step and gone to only two sides using only the smaller maps. That at least would give noobs the impression "something" was going on.
I know everyone likes their chess pieces but we'd adjust.
Switching to a 2 sided map would make things worse. Image the guys jumping to the side with numbers to just crush the only other team. With 3 sides there is always the other team that come at you on a flank.
Smaller maps on the other hand I think would help until the numbers go back up..... if they do. If game play doesn't get changed / adjusted you can pretty much just start digging hole now.
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Post by: NatCigg on September 21, 2015, 08:27:45 AM
Wow I just down loaded the Europe terrain you mentioned and it seems my machine can't come close to running it. Current game...60 fps with everything up to max. New game.....22 fps with it cranked way down.
So, lets see. do I invest a G in computer parts to play a game? let me think.....No :bolt:
The game not done yet and could use your input w/ your machine as is. Try turning things to default and go from there. There may be parts of your computer that would not mind some use. :airplane:
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Post by: oboe on September 21, 2015, 10:08:03 AM
Wow I just down loaded the Europe terrain you mentioned and it seems my machine can't come close to running it. Current game...60 fps with everything up to max. New game.....22 fps with it cranked way down.
So, lets see. do I invest a G in computer parts to play a game? let me think.....No :bolt:
What video card do you have, Busher? The new version is supposed to put more workload onto the video card than the previous version. Have you ever updated the drivers for the card?
Title: Re: Yo you going to let this game die or what?
Post by: Oddball-CAF on September 21, 2015, 11:40:15 AM
sorry it had to be this way, a true champion like walmart will survive, but a well buttered and hand crafted pie will die. not for lack of effort, but more a selfish result of the customer.
Hi Nat, I'm curious as to what this means. Could you expound on it? I hadn't realized until reading it that we're all (save for you of course) "selfish" and apparently responsible for the huge decline in subscriptions to AH.
Regards, Odd
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Post by: DH367th on September 21, 2015, 11:45:49 AM
Busher bud you been around long enough to remember when ah2 was coming out alpha sucked the life outta PCs then.But when ah2 was released fps went way back up. I beg you guys don't pull the trigger till we get a finished product from HT.
Title: Re: Yo you going to let this game die or what?
Post by: NatCigg on September 21, 2015, 12:27:51 PM
Hi Nat, I'm curious as to what this means. Could you expound on it? I hadn't realized until reading it that we're all (save for you of course) "selfish" and apparently responsible for the huge decline in subscriptions to AH.
Regards, Odd
grandmas pie sells for 15dollars, walmart sells a similar pie for 5$. the walmart pie leaves a bad taste in your mouth but hell i got 10 bucks in my pocket! screw you grandma! My other selfish reference was to the communitys inability to organize and work together. Its hard to play checkers when kids keep wanting to play hockey with the chips, and then they rant excessively of how checkers is for conformist morons.
Did that help?
Title: Re: Yo you going to let this game die or what?
Post by: Randy1 on September 21, 2015, 12:28:55 PM
There is no doubt the economy crash was a major factor but there are a number of other reasons. The decline of the baby-boomers in AH is another. Baby-boomers had the closet ties to WW2 having parents that went those bad years. We are getting older. The decline of the PC with Tablets, game stations and expensive-cell-phones all emerged in the same time frame. Maybe it was the perfect storm for AH.
Keep in mind too, AH is addictive. Break the addiction with a crashing economy and you may never get those people back.
The graphics I would say has little to do with the decline of AH but may have everything to do with attacking new players.
Title: Re: Yo you going to let this game die or what?
Post by: Oddball-CAF on September 21, 2015, 03:18:24 PM
In almost every battle, there's only enemies of one team going after you. 3 sided battles are exceedingly rare in AH. Our MA setting of Rooks, Knights and Bishops, with every team flying all models of planes, ain't going to be any more 'historical' by eleminating, say, the Knights.
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Post by: craz07 on September 21, 2015, 03:38:44 PM
If you say so..
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Post by: Driver on September 21, 2015, 03:40:59 PM
Please don't let this game go away!!!! It would be like loosing my Dog (my best friend). I don't get to play as much as I'd like but it is my release from the day-to-day grind when I do play! :(
Been a member of this family for nearly 9 years I think and have been concerned about the declining numbers. I don't usually say much but don't let this die the slow death that it is on now.
Here's to all- :cheers:
Keep flying, this old man needs it! :salute
Driver
Title: Re: Yo you going to let this game die or what?
Post by: craz07 on September 21, 2015, 03:43:34 PM
it wouldn't be the death of the game it'd be a new beginning, more historically accurate also however rare it may be..
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Post by: The Fugitive on September 21, 2015, 03:44:36 PM
Please don't let this game go away!!!! It would be like loosing my Dog (my best friend). I don't get to play as much as I'd like but it is my release from the day-to-day grind when I do play! :(
Been a member of this family for nearly 9 years I think and have been concerned about the declining numbers. I don't usually say much but don't let this die the slow death that it is on now.
Here's to all- :cheers:
Keep flying, this old man needs it! :salute
Driver
I've been here longer than that! I would hate to see this game disappear. Its the only one I play. If it goes away I'll have to spend more time with my wife! :bolt:
Title: Re: Yo you going to let this game die or what?
Post by: craz07 on September 21, 2015, 03:49:09 PM
Just think WW2, mano against mano, teams are known and the lines are drawn.... the only thing you can do is be smart, smart against the enemy and it's numbers... The one to outlast it all lives to tell another story another day...
Title: Re: Yo you going to let this game die or what?
Post by: craz07 on September 21, 2015, 03:50:17 PM
Instead of bish knight rook dysfunctionality
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Post by: Ack-Ack on September 21, 2015, 04:25:30 PM
in how 1 team would be killing you instead of two, is it that difficult to comprehend?
As long as we have P-38s fighting P-38s, Spitfires fighting Mustangs, etc., you can't possibly think just switching to a 2 sided war will make it any more "historical".
ack-ack
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Post by: NatCigg on September 21, 2015, 04:39:45 PM
Not at all. Your anaolgies are rather obtuse and nebulous. Enjoy that pie. :O
a better annology would be remus and romulus. :O mmmm fresh baked pie. I think ill name it NOE.
:airplane:
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Post by: TheBug on September 21, 2015, 06:48:07 PM
How does Lusche know about "ain't"?? :headscratch:
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Post by: ghi on September 21, 2015, 08:15:01 PM
One of the cruise ships I used to work in "96/97 we did transatlantic cruises, from New York to Lisbon, Portugal ,7 boring days at sea ,rain and fog only ; If we would have feed the passengers with mashed potatoes only breakfast, lunch, dinner i mean same boring map 7 days, everybody would have jumped overboard screaming, viva la ghost ship.
Title: Re: Yo you going to let this game die or what?
Post by: Rich46yo on September 21, 2015, 10:23:48 PM
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I understand what your saying, but as Lusche pointed out most battles ARE 1 team against 1 team.
Spiting the teams into two and using a historic plane set would kill this game even faster than it is going down now.
Well the point I was making is with two sides there would be "more" one on one battles then with three sides.
Its pretty easy to comprehend. Imagine if all we had to worry about would be those sneaky Huns in WW2? And all they had to worry about were those Yanks with the cheap hair grease? Instead of spreading the love over several fronts we'd have one big Huzzah of a battle, "which is better then two little beer fart battles".
Kinda like what TT did back when we had two maps the other six days. Hell, anythings better then this. I see three sides on one huge map and just want to cry.
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Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on September 21, 2015, 10:51:02 PM
I think he means you would not ha e 2 countries ganging up on one. He does seem that habits have formed and your location on the map defines who will get horded.
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Post by: zack1234 on September 22, 2015, 01:40:40 AM
Well the point I was making is with two sides there would be "more" one on one battles then with three sides.
Its pretty easy to comprehend. Imagine if all we had to worry about would be those sneaky Huns in WW2? And all they had to worry about were those Yanks with the cheap hair grease? Instead of spreading the love over several fronts we'd have one big Huzzah of a battle, "which is better then two little beer fart battles".
Kinda like what TT did back when we had two maps the other six days. Hell, anythings better then this. I see three sides on one huge map and just want to cry.
Kind of surprising that HTC isn't taking out the big maps as a stopgap measure. Even the small maps are too big now.
I wish we would at least try out a two sided fight. Use some of the AVA maps but allow both sides to use all planes. Two sides was tried long ago and HTC didn't like the results, but with these low numbers, it's got to be better at generating fights. Having only one enemy to fight and much fewer targets increases the likelihood of the two sides meeting, instead of three gangbangs on undefended bases.
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Post by: ImADot on September 23, 2015, 08:36:03 AM
Kind of surprising that HTC isn't taking out the big maps as a stopgap measure. Even the small maps are too big now.
I wish we would at least try out a two sided fight. Use some of the AVA maps but allow both sides to use all planes. Two sides was tried long ago and HTC didn't like the results, but with these low numbers, it's got to be better at generating fights. Having only one enemy to fight and much fewer targets increases the likelihood of the two sides meeting, instead of three gangbangs on undefended bases.
The only thing that will help to generate fights is if the players that play the game actually want to fight.
Title: Re: Yo you going to let this game die or what?
Post by: Lusche on September 23, 2015, 08:53:13 AM
Kind of surprising that HTC isn't taking out the big maps as a stopgap measure. Even the small maps are too big now.
I wish we would at least try out a two sided fight. Use some of the AVA maps but allow both sides to use all planes. Two sides was tried long ago and HTC didn't like the results, but with these low numbers, it's got to be better at generating fights. Having only one enemy to fight and much fewer targets increases the likelihood of the two sides meeting, instead of three gangbangs on undefended bases.
3 sides is fine, but what really needs to happen is the closing off of bases futher back in the map, so only most of the front bases and the bases directly behind it are open to fight, until #s expand to a certain point, then those other bases will open. This will keep the players with low #s coupled in a smaller area, there by making the fights easier to come by and easier to find. I think it would solve a majoirty of issues regarding game play and excitement level during the off hours.
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Post by: NatCigg on September 23, 2015, 09:32:33 AM
Sounds like the problem is with the players. If your base is undefended then form a fighter sweep mission with the other players on your team. Fun fun. :old:
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Post by: Lusche on September 23, 2015, 09:35:36 AM
3 sides is fine, but what really needs to happen is the closing off of bases futher back in the map, so only most of the front bases and the bases directly behind it are open to fight, until #s expand to a certain point, then those other bases will open.
This new feature would require some very fundamental coding of the game. That's nothing you can just throw in. Totally unlike eleminating the 3 large maps (which usually make up the major part of a tour) from rotation. Like Caldera, I can't really figure why this has not happened that. We had extended times in AH without any large maps. Keep in mind they were introduced to AH at a time when the population as about twice as large and (unlike today) still growing. They were also taken out when the LW arena was split up.
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Post by: Lusche on September 23, 2015, 09:39:48 AM
Sounds like the problem is with the players. If your base is undefended then form a fighter sweep mission with the other players on your team. Fun fun. :old:
Fighter sweep with whom & to where when there's only 8-15 players on each team total.
The mantra "it's the players" doesn't help. You can't change the behaviour of people as a group by appeal. "Everyone should just..." generally does not not work, as we are individuals. That's where rules, mechanisms and gameplay design comes into play.
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Post by: NatCigg on September 23, 2015, 09:55:32 AM
Fighter sweep with whom & to where when there's only 8-15 players on each team total.
The mantra "it's the players" doesn't help. You can't change the behaviour of people as a group by appeal. "Everyone should just..." generally does not not work, as we are individuals. That's where rules, mechanisms and gameplay design comes into play.
So true, staged missions in the main arena, hmm gonna need a mind to figure that out.
I remember reading on a HTC page when I first started. "Please do not attack a undefended field.". I guess that was written when numbers were lower. The entire system depends on the players. The players, the players.
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Post by: DmonSlyr on September 23, 2015, 10:51:50 AM
This new feature would require some very fundamental coding of the game. That's nothing you can just throw in. Totally unlike eleminating the 3 large maps (which usually make up the major part of a tour) from rotation. Like Caldera, I can't really figure why this has not happened that. We had extended times in AH without any large maps. Keep in mind they were introduced to AH at a time when the population as about twice as large and (unlike today) still growing. They were also taken out when the LW arena was split up.
Yeah the coding to doing that would be the side of the arguement I have no clue over.
I would for sure like to see smaller maps, also in correlation with closer bases. There is a lot of potential out there to put some fine maps in the game, right now, the current ones have been getting pretty old. Especially the Pig map, it always last all week. I'm sure Hitech has new map ideas and what not so just gotta be patient.
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Post by: 715 on September 23, 2015, 12:20:54 PM
Totally unlike eleminating the 3 large maps (which usually make up the major part of a tour) from rotation. Like Caldera, I can't really figure why this has not happened that.
Eliminating Crater MA from the rotation would benefit you, but how would the 25% who play mainly GVs like losing Crater's tank area?
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Post by: Randy1 on September 23, 2015, 12:43:14 PM
I keep hoping they can write a program that automatically weathered-in bases on number of players in the game. That way the weather could offer different play areas of the map.
Might be impossible with their limited resources but it would be neat.
Title: Re: Yo you going to let this game die or what?
Post by: Lusche on September 23, 2015, 01:07:17 PM
Eliminating Crater MA from the rotation would benefit you, but how would the 25% who play mainly GVs like losing Crater's tank area?
Where have I said I want to remove CraterMa? That's one of the small maps, the three large maps (20x20 sectors) are: Compello (actually my personal favourite map of all times), Ozkansas, Tagma
Title: Re: Yo you going to let this game die or what?
Post by: Brooke on September 23, 2015, 04:02:45 PM
I think that it would help greatly to reduce playing area to be suitable to number of players in the arena.
1st step (easiest) would be just smaller maps.
2nd step would be to figure out how to have yet smaller maps or play area at off-peak times when things get too thin to sustain robust activity. Maybe just switch out of the bigger map when numbers drop below a certain level and leave it at the small map until it is won, then if you are in prime, bring up a bigger map next?
I haven't thought a lot about details -- just that active area really needs to scale with participation in my opinion.
Otherwise, as things thin out, action becomes harder to get, which causes more people to log out, and it is a negative feedback loop.
It would be easy to test -- just put some much smaller maps (or maps with greatly reduced active area, such as active bases only in particular regions) in off-peak and see how the numbers change during off peak. Does it stay the same, decrease, or increase. You'd have to do that enough times to get good stats on it.
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Post by: Lusche on September 23, 2015, 04:18:04 PM
That would take way too many resources to implement, which are simply not there as long as HTC is busy building AH3. "Yet smaller maps" (I read that as: even smaller than the ones we have today) would have to be made first, to MA standards. Any kind of system that involves a map switch when numbers drop, is going to cripple action even more, as it involves an arena reset. We had such a thing once, remember? With less players than back then, it would take far longer for the arena to get back up to any kind of numbers. Furthermore, I don't see the need to keep large map up at all, at this moment. For about half of the day AH has below 100 players during the week, with barely going over 200 for a limited time during US prime. It's not that a small map would be that crowded. After the big arena split, we played with substantially more players on those small maps.
Don't get me wrong, I love the many options the large maps can give us. I was very much lobbying to get them back to us after the Arena split. Compello is my favourite map of them all. But the time for them has gone. One can only hope it comes back. But until then...
Title: Re: Yo you going to let this game die or what?
Post by: Brooke on September 23, 2015, 06:10:16 PM
That would take way too many resources to implement, which are simply not there as long as HTC is busy building AH3. "Yet smaller maps" (I read that as: even smaller than the ones we have today) would have to be made first, to MA standards.
Good point.
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Any kind of system that involves a map switch when numbers drop, is going to cripple action even more, as it involves an arena reset. We had such a thing once, remember?
I don't remember that.
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Furthermore, I don't see the need to keep large map up at all, at this moment.
Yep.
Title: Re: Yo you going to let this game die or what?
Post by: Lusche on September 23, 2015, 06:24:22 PM
Peak/offpeak late war arena system. Switched daily between the previous 2 LW arena setup (during peak hours) and a single offpeak arena. Was in effect from November 2010 to June 2011
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Post by: Lusche on September 23, 2015, 06:33:58 PM
MainArena timeline
From start: Single Main Arena (later supplemented by AvA, Da, Ta and Special Events) Summer 2001: As the numbers rise, large maps are being introduced to the rotation September 2006: Arena Split. EW, MW, WW1 (since March 10), 2 LW arenas with automatic LW arena caps during peak times. All large maps are dropped November 2007: Titanic Tuesday: Single LW arena, no caps, large map, on Tuesdays only. Peak of AH player numbers November 2010: 2 LW setup changes to peak (2) / offpeak (1) arena system. Automatic arena cap during peak hours June 2011: Current EW, MW, LW setup with a mix of large and small maps in the LW arena.
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Post by: NatCigg on September 23, 2015, 07:30:43 PM
Peak/offpeak late war arena system. Switched daily between the previous 2 LW arena setup (during peak hours) and a single offpeak arena. Was in effect from November 2010 to June 2011
I remember a lot getting upset at this point. Taking away freedom to play when and where you want hurt the norm. I think the next big hit to the community was when everyone got put in one sandbox.
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Post by: Masherbrum on September 23, 2015, 07:35:19 PM
This thread needs more salt.
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Post by: Lusche on September 23, 2015, 07:52:56 PM
Have you been here when the single main was split into ew, we and 2*lw? That was an uproar you have not heard before nor after. ;)
Oh and the switch to peak/offpeak system and then to single LW were made because of declining numbers, not causing them. The previous formats weren't sustainable anymore.
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Post by: Delirium on September 23, 2015, 08:18:27 PM
Where have I said I want to remove CraterMa? That's one of the small maps, the three large maps (20x20 sectors) are: Compello (actually my personal favourite map of all times), Ozkansas, Tagma
Forgive me, I misunderstood you. I thought you wanted to remove "Caldera" which I took to mean CraterMA ("caldera" is a synonym for crater).
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Post by: Brooke on September 23, 2015, 10:21:30 PM
A drink of this will cure all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nITLob098W8
Title: Re: Yo you going to let this game die or what?
Post by: Randy1 on September 24, 2015, 07:20:49 AM
I have gotten so the crater map is my my time in the sun in the land of tanks. I am tank fodder but it can be fun.
It does suck the life out of the air war.
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Post by: Oldman731 on September 24, 2015, 09:23:59 AM