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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Pooface on February 21, 2006, 05:42:08 AM
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over the past 8 or 9 months i have noticed the general skill level fall terribly in the MA. and a lot of this terrible skill is linked to the fact it is no longer needed. i really wish that the auto bombsight calibration would be turned off in all arenas. it takes 2 minutes, and in my mind, it could bring back more coordinated attacks, better bombing runs, more teamwork, and more exciting gameplay. right now it is very gamey, and although yes, this is a game, just holding y for a few seconds is a little stupid.
i really think this could help the community and the arena, just by disabling the auto calibration. so please HT, is it possible??
what does everyone else think?
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those who bomb properly will have no trouble using the old method or the ez mode with pinpoint accuracy. You wernt around when the old method was in use, but i can tell you it was just as simple.
every other tard will still dive bomb from 2k whatever the bomb calib setup is.
no point changing anything, imo.
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Poo --
I think its important to realize that while some buffers are exoerienced players who like to bomb, many are not yet competitive in fighters. Being able to buff easily makes them more likely to stay in the game.
THAT means that when they move up the learning curve and start succeeding a bit in fighters, they also have a supply of relatively easy-to-hit buff targets for those times they're getting waxed by the vets in fighters.
I'd say leave it as is. I know I found the calibration routine pretty simple, and for anyone who's a gamer its no big deal. But, it did seem to make a difference for many others.
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i dunno. the thing is, we get a lot of people complaining about bombers being too easy, and they are really. its not like the normal bombsight is any harder than the EZmode one, it just takes a little more experience, and that i think would help.
and bat, i know they used to have it off, and back then there wasnt nearly so much of the dweebery in the MA was there?? i just think it would bring back a little patience, and people would play a little more realistically.
i mean, if people are unsure about it maybe we could test it for a week. i just think that, its a feature in the game, why dont we use it? it'll make the gameplay more realistic and well, if that needs no extra programming from HT, why not use it is my point.
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The guy who makes the decisions HAS tried it, for an extended period. HT's decided that the game and the business were better the way it is now.
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Originally posted by Simaril
The guy who makes the decisions HAS tried it, for an extended period. HT's decided that the game and the business were better the way it is now.
i guess.im just trying to come up with a solution. the community and sense of friendship has been watered down by people who come in and just want to kill, not to have fun fighting, but to get kills and land them, and get lots of 'wtg's from a bunch of noobs because it makes them feel like they are a l33t pileit. the problem is that so many of them have no interest in learning to fly well, they just want to know what will get them the most kills. thats what we need to change before everyone just leaves and all that's left is a load of preteens playing airquake. im just trying to think of a way to build up the skill level of the game:confused: i wish there was a sigh smiley. any of you guys understand what i mean?
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point is u have to learn! it does take awhile to do it properly..and no its not as simple when u have to recal with ftrs on you, pressing y for 3 secs is a whole lot easier...but like you said we dont want to scare away the newbs:rolleyes: god forbid they take time in the ta or get someone to teach them. heres an idea... take away blackouts, redouts, stalls, spins, and everything else u need to learn to adjust to. The funnest part of the game is that you learn everyday..easy mode bombsite is a joke as are divebombing buffs who punch out after nuking a ftr hangar.
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yeah. i mean, its not easy going into the depths and ideas behind the game is it ? lol
but right now, as it is, it is not working as well as it should. im just trying to put out ideas.
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what auto bomb calibtration is this you speak off??
I need some practise in my bombing runs....
can this help me, if so, how can it be done ?
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Originally posted by randomguy
what auto bomb calibtration is this you speak off??
I need some practise in my bombing runs....
can this help me, if so, how can it be done ?
its already on. i would like it turned off, so that it's harder to bomb
basically, as it is now, you just hold y down and it does it for you. it used to be that you needed to have skill to drop bombs right. now anyone can do it :rolleyes:
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I like the old way in the AvA, but I dont think its a good idea for the MA.This game is hard enough to learn for new guys, without making 10 missions in a row and totally missing the target each time. Then they'd jump in La7s or spixteens.
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Originally posted by Pooface
yeah. i mean, its not easy going into the depths and ideas behind the game is it ? lol
but right now, as it is, it is not working as well as it should. im just trying to put out ideas.
This must be rag on Bomber month or something.
I don`t get all the complaints. What are the bombers doing all of a sudden that has everybody so stirred up that hasn`t been going on for as long as I remember? I mean, I know that the "30 or mo or we don`t go" squad hordes are taking down FHs, but heck you can`t expect them to actualy get in a battle over a field capture do ya? I also never have figured out why they run so many bomber escorts up past the ozone layer if they are going to pork everything but the outhouse, but hey, like I said , that`s been going on for as long as I remember. I usualy just mosey on over to another field and hope the grass will grow back in a few years. I can die just as good at one field as I can at another. :D
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Make the bomb site right again, and add some freakin wind for godsake... This static enviorment is far too gamey and easy to bomb in. I was bombing feild ack from 20k with my salvo set to 1 with a load of 100lb bombs with the new joke-ez-mode bomb site. No F'in way is that close to be real. Its like we're flying around in F117s that look like B17s.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Make the bomb site right again, and add some freakin wind for godsake... This static enviorment is far too gamey and easy to bomb in. I was bombing feild ack from 20k with my salvo set to 1 with a load of 100lb bombs with the new joke-ez-mode bomb site. No F'in way is that close to be real. Its like we're flying around in F117s that look like B17s.
dead right, it is just too easy. its still easy in the normal sight, but it means we wont get as many complete tards bombing hangars all over the place
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I find bombing is way to easy and I believe I was one of the bigest oponants of the easy bombing method when it came out. Did you know now that with this easy mode you can calibrate while in the pilot position? Press U hold Y for 10 seconds and poof. Heck with this method I learned the other day how to program a macro into my X52 that gives me a perfect calibration every time unless my speed changes. I took a newb to the TA when he asked how to bomb and I explaned what to do on the way to target and he hit what he was aiming for on the first try dead on and yet we still have the dive bombing buff dweebs.
We also have the furball guys complaining about buff guys killing the hangers so HT changes the bomb blast radius and makes them so weak that it's just silly.
The other night I lined my 15K 24's up on a medium field to hit the hangers (far to many red guys coming out of that base) I had a perfect calibration and dropped 12000 lbs of bombs on both sets of hangers and nothing happened. The craters were in contact with the hangers and not one went down as if the FH's now have some form of shielding.
So my question is this if the bombs are so weak now that we need perfect direct hits on hangers and such why did they mess with the bomb calibration mode? Seems to me that they just went in a loop. Used to be harder to calibrate but if done well with some practice you could bomb fairly well, now we hardly have to try to calibrate and now it's almost impossible to kill things with a perfect calibration.
I have to ask HTC staff what is the point in going in a circle like this?
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well, if the bombsight was finally put right, i would have no problem with the bombs doing far more damage. i just think that we SHOULD have an historically correct bombsight
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i see what you're getting at guys.
simple fact is though, decent buff pilots wont care which way it is, and pork n' auger dweebs will still level field from 1k using F3 mode whichever way it is.
it makes no difference whatsoever.
and poo, there was always this much dweebery in the ma since ive been here in late 2003/early2004
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Funny how the words 'real' and 'historical' are thrown around, but only when it suits the person in question.
Since when has -
Min 75% fuel
Perfect days
No night
Perfect planes
etc etc
Been anywhere near 'real' or 'historic'?
How would feel about taking off in the dead of night, with bad weather, and minimal fuel in a plane that may have been historically prone to say an engine failure?
You want real and historic, go all the way then, don't cherry pick what is considered real and historic because it suits your play.
BTW I'm all for
- realistic bombing
- no dive bombing heavies
- night
- bad weather
- less fuel available (i.e. 25% min)
- some kind of random failures
But either all of them, or none of them.
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Kev, it takes guys years to learn ACM and even after all that time you still learn something new each day.
The current bombing mode you can learn in 25 minutes and it will never change except for the alt you drop at. Combine that with guns that are all slaved to one gun (ie like the B29's turrets were designed) and its laughable.
I think we are asking for a level playing field, not realism or historical accuracy. Maybe this way, we can keep FHs up at a field for more than 10 minutes without some 25 minute bombing expert ruining the fight.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
and add some freakin wind for godsake...
Just add it gradualy in a few steps - not a step function, 30 mph, wind shear.
Bozon
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kev, you are dead right, there should be more realistic options. there should be weather, there should be night, and the fuel should go down too. but sinse when did a single plane totally destroy several concrete bunkers with machine guns???????
it all needs fixing
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Since when has -
Min 75% fuel
Perfect days
No night
Perfect planes
etc etc
Been anywhere near 'real' or 'historic'?
Actually it pretty much is.
Min 75% fuel - no fuel limits in real life. you either load up enough fuel or don't fly at all (unless you meant MAX 75% when porked).
Perfect days - you can argue "perfect" but in bad weather, CB, overcast, winds and rain there was very little air activity. Sometimes for days.
No night - day fighters do not fight at night. What purpose will night serve? Imagine we are fighting in Scandinavia in late June.
Perfect planes - This one is correct and not historical. On the other hand this is one of the last things I'd want implemented. AH is still a game for fun.
Bozon
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Originally posted by Delirium
Kev, it takes guys years to learn ACM and even after all that time you still learn something new each day.
The current bombing mode you can learn in 25 minutes and it will never change except for the alt you drop at. Combine that with guns that are all slaved to one gun (ie like the B29's turrets were designed) and its laughable.
I think we are asking for a level playing field, not realism or historical accuracy. Maybe this way, we can keep FHs up at a field for more than 10 minutes without some 25 minute bombing expert ruining the fight.
yeah bang on. you see, in fighters, learning to lead and shoot properly takes years to master. in a bomber, the computer does it all fot you. there should be atleast one thing that skill is needed for in bombers, otherwise its a little lopsided. i realise that new guys tend to spend more time in bombers at the start, because of the learning curve of fighters and tactics, but there needs to be something that really needs practise in bombers, besides the over modelled guns
now the over modelled guns, is fine for MA, because in there people fly bombers on their own and without escort. in big groups of bombers however, that is a very different story. i hope that HT will make changes to gun turrets for ToD/CT because if i were a LW pilot, what chance would i have flying into a swarm of 500 AI defended bombers???
for MA though, turrets are ok as they are. the real thing that needs to be changed is the bomb dropping, and by simply changing one setting, we can change that side of the gameplay, and it needs no extra work.
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By Gawd fellers.......I see ya point.
It`s all screwed up from top to bottom, start to finish.
OK HT, this is the endgate. Now get to hoppin and fix all this stuff immediately.
Ok, we got to get a hysterical...........I mean historical bombsite. And the list goes on....... realistic bombing
- no dive bombing heavies
- night (Absolutely. That way I can wander around aimlessly in a total state of drunkiness and it will look like I know what I`m doing.
- bad weather ( got to have a hurricane at least once a month or you`ve had it)
- less fuel available (i.e. 25% min) ( A must. I want a plane that has no fuel. I can sit in tower and drink more beer waitng for a delivery that way.)
- some kind of random failures ( I think bowel failure would be a nice start)
Now we got to do something about this capture versus furballers thing. Awww heck..just give em both everything they want.
For those of us that don`t fit in either situation, we want a .bootthebastiges dot command.
All skins for the Lala must be removed and replaced with one skin......pink.
Pizza map must be reinstated by next week with changes such as lower alt bases closer together with some higher alt bases further apart. Need a minimum of 30 CVs per team.
If we getting historicaly correct, you commence acoadin and give me a inplane radio with Tokyo Rose broadcasts on a scheduled basis.
Don`t think I have to repeat the last one, but just in case ya didn`t notice, Morph has spoken. Bottom line. Wind! Now! I wanna see Morph get blowed so far to the rear when he ups a plane that he will run into a general.
I want them FHs hardened and the bombs made more powerfull.
Field capture has to go but FT guys have to shoot down the bombers.
Last warning bud. :D
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Oh yea....it wouldn`t hurt Skuzz to fix us up a weekly BBQ also.
I mean all he does now is trip over the electrical stuff. :D
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Originally posted by Pooface
kev, you are dead right, there should be more realistic options. there should be weather, there should be night, and the fuel should go down too.
it all needs fixing
Porking fuel below 75%. :rofl Your asking to bring on the wrath of furballers. Before HT made it that 75% was the minimum there was atleast 2 threads a day complaining about porkers/toolshedders.
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Originally posted by Pooface
kev, you are dead right, there should be more realistic options. there should be weather, there should be night, and the fuel should go down too. but sinse when did a single plane totally destroy several concrete bunkers with machine guns???????
it all needs fixing
All goes into the same bucket as guys strafing CV guns to death, I mean as if.
Since when would a 20mm or 30mm round even bother the main or 5" guns on a CV or Cruiser.
It's all part and parcel of whats not quite right with the damage model overall.
In fact the damage model is the one part of AH that has lagged behind all the other improvements.
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its not like that, it needs no coding. it is an arena setting that takes less than a minute to change. and it *should* be changed. i mean, wouldnt you bomber guys rather have something to get good at? instead of letting the computer do all the hard stuff. i dont see why my spitfire cant have a sidewinder if your bombers have smart bombs do you?
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The bombsight is far too easy, in fact you really have to try hard to miss lol.
But as I said - How far do you take 'real', 'historically' accurate etc. Most people only want them in as far it suits their game style.
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Porking fuel below 75%. :rofl Your asking to bring on the wrath of furballers. Before HT made it that 75% was the minimum there was atleast 2 threads a day complaining about porkers/toolshedders.
it should go lower than 75% for sure, but the hardness of a CONCRETE bunker needs to be A LOT higher. since when would shooting a bunker with guns do anything?? it should require large amounts of ord (im really talking about the base porking of dar and ord here) fuel shoulkd go lower than 75%, but it should take a lot more work than 1 lone typhoon for 2 mins
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Yup but if you do that, they should also stay down longer also.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Yup but if you do that, they should also stay down longer also.
yeah, possibly, but we dont want to totally cut off fuel for ages. i mean, they'd always have a few fuel bowsers around, other than on the field
it's something that should be addressed some time, but i think we should let HT crack on with ToD first. for now, the bombsight is easy to change, and it doesnt need any changing of the code
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Porking fuel below 75%. :rofl Your asking to bring on the wrath of furballers. Before HT made it that 75% was the minimum there was atleast 2 threads a day complaining about porkers/toolshedders.
I have no problem with porking fuel below 75%, as long as the burn
modifier is also changed :D
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I agree with many of the points made regarding the old sight. However, I also agree with Bat, that the guys who do the "lamest" things will simply find another way, and short of HT redoing the cal routines, and adding restrictions (something he obviously has no interest in), nothing will change.
Yeah, it sucks, but setting bombers on fire, or turning them into little virtual meat smoothies with heavy cannons provides me with great personal satisfaction bordering on maniacal glee.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I agree with many of the points made regarding the old sight. However, I also agree with Bat, that the guys who do the "lamest" things will simply find another way, and short of HT redoing the cal routines, and adding restrictions (something he obviously has no interest in), nothing will change.
Yeah, it sucks, but setting bombers on fire, or turning them into little virtual meat smoothies with heavy cannons provides me with great personal satisfaction bordering on maniacal glee.
well, we'll still get divebomber dweebs. and the solution to that would be simaril's bomb bay thread, but that will of course require a small amount of programming
some of the dweebs will find a way around it, but that doesn't mean that it wont stop some of the dweebs using laser guided smartbombs with perfect calibration
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I think we will be seeing alot more realism to gamey toggles optional, once HTC gets the time i wouldnt be surprised to see him make real bombsites to use, and just have them as a toggle option, the gamey version being the default. Same with auto retract flaps and such, its pretty common in sims to have these kind of realism choices, it does take extra development time tho, but it would quiet down alot of us "antigamers", or "imersia holics".
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Dive bombing heavies is the only thing I think really needs adressing. If a guy wants to level bomb let him have some fun.
When a lanc comes in and goes 30 degrees nose down at 15k and reaches 400mph to pork all the hangers or cv, I think that blows.
shamus
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Originally posted by Pooface
over the past 8 or 9 months i have noticed the general skill level fall terribly in the MA. and a lot of this terrible skill is linked to the fact it is no longer needed. i really wish that the auto bombsight calibration would be turned off in all arenas. it takes 2 minutes, and in my mind, it could bring back more coordinated attacks, better bombing runs, more teamwork, and more exciting gameplay. right now it is very gamey, and although yes, this is a game, just holding y for a few seconds is a little stupid.
i really think this could help the community and the arena, just by disabling the auto calibration. so please HT, is it possible??
what does everyone else think?
Pooh. You are judging skill level by the acts of gameyness?
Those are two totally different things altogether. Don't kid yourself into thinking that the only ones doing tree top high suicidal hvy bomber runs and dive bombing in hvy bombers are skilless or noobs. I assure you there are plenty that are not. And i do mean plenty! When a hvy bomber dives a CV that i am manning a 5" gun on...Or when im in a Tiger racking up the kills in tank town and 30 mins later a formation of AR234 dive bomb and kills me. Guess what? Eight times out of ten its a player whom i know to have been playing AH as long or near as long as i have. That's 5.5 yrs now.
Its total gameyness at work plain and simple. No matter what HT does in that respect, it will continue.
Could you explain the "More coordinated attacks" you are referring to please?
You are right Bat. The silly dive bombing as well as the suicidal 1K bomb runs will always be used. Simply because it is the gamey side of players that will incorporate these methods.
As far as the Old bombsite issue goes, it's not a matter of how simple the calibration is or isn't. Either way is actually straight forward and very simple to get a calibrated bombsite. Its a matter of how consistent a single player was able to be, drop after drop after drop. The "Hard" calibration mode could cause some very dramatic differing results from the same player. I personally had no trouble with the logistics of calibrating the bombsite. However i did have large varying results in accuracy do to the other factors that were effecting accurate bomb drops. Clicking on the map for Alt was simi accurate. Connection glitches/hicups are also issues that effected a smooth speed calibration, Along with video lag and VOX that also tossed a screen stutter in during calibration. I was able to see those "connection" effects first hand. I was on dial up when the Norden site was first introduced and switched to cable internet soon after. The cable help a lot! But the occasional connection hicup due to one of the aforementioned elements would still cause a problem once in a while. Now with todays packed MA i get crazy server related hicup's all the time. It think the "Hard" calibration mode would ground the largest percentile of bomber pilots that started flying them again after the "Ez" mode was enabled. With so many factors causing such varying results i think HT did the right thing. The current setup still requires your speed and alt to be stabilized before you drop your bombs. This means level and steady speed before a drop can be made accurately.
Poohface. Do an exhaustive search in the BBS and you will see what lead HT to make the change to what we currently have today. It is the best possible compromise at the stage of the game.
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Originally posted by Shamus
Dive bombing heavies is the only thing I think really needs adressing. If a guy wants to level bomb let him have some fun.
When a lanc comes in and goes 30 degrees nose down at 15k and reaches 400mph to pork all the hangers or cv, I think that blows.
shamus
i dont really understand why some tards do that. i mean, i fly bombers maybe once every 2 months or something very rare like that. and i can get dead on hits from 20k+, so i dont understand why people cant get it to work from 3k and feel they have to divebomb with lancs lol. i mean, all it takes is holding y for 10 seconds, while flying a steady course, and the bombs fall with pinpoint accuracy. i guess some people are just a little dumb :noid
the bombsight should be proper. the computer SHOULD not calibrate for you. if toolshed dweebs get a self calibrating bombsight, then im going to start a petition for radar tracking guns on my fighters. i mean, what is the difference between the two? smart bombs and computer calculated drop times are not features of a ww2 bombsight!
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Originally posted by Pooface
i dont really understand why some tards do that. i mean, i fly bombers maybe once every 2 months or something very rare like that. and i can get dead on hits from 20k+, so i dont understand why people cant get it to work from 3k and feel they have to divebomb with lancs lol. i mean, all it takes is holding y for 10 seconds, while flying a steady course, and the bombs fall with pinpoint accuracy. i guess some people are just a little dumb :noid
People dive bomb and do low level attacks because its easy and they are to lazy to climb to 15k+ each time to get the same results they can get at 3k in a 1/3 of the time.
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yeah, but there is a difference between a low level raid, and divebombing. i mean, its more accurate, and less dangerous to use the bombsight. so why people dont use it i dont understand
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I divebomb in b26s from 2k and i love it...thank you hitech for making it possible..if you go too high then the damn nose comes up and screws up my divebombing so can you please fix that asap...
i have made a divebombing gun sight to aid in divebombing from 2k,,,please feel free to share it with your friendz at no charge except to just say to yourself "it's a new day every day and i can make a difference in the world if i try"
enuf here it is, enjoy:
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Just click your mouse on it and it will enter into your secret divebombing bombers folder.blt Use alt-f4 to bring it up right before you begin your decent into the target. Put your trgt right where the "*" thingy is. NOTE: you will not see a message when you click..it is automatic.
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^ Worst troll ever....
Pooface, people do it because they are lazy. They can take off one base away from target and get there in minutes. Where the high alt approach the pilot has to take off a few bases back and it takes alot longer.
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Originally posted by Pooface
if toolshed dweebs get a self calibrating bombsight, then im going to start a petition for radar tracking guns on my fighters. i mean, what is the difference between the two?
aahhaaa. Now i see your posistion on the issue. Isnt this really more about not being able to stop them before they blow up you Hangers, CVs and such?
And a lot less about what you think is proper and realistic bombing procedure?
PS...dont bother answering those questions if you dont want. I personally will not be replying to this thread anymore. There is another thread that is more than ample to address your "Concerns" that has been active for 3 days now. As BlueJ said.. Its really a matter of Time involved and not much more. Regards.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
I divebomb in b26s from 2k and i love it...thank you hitech for making it possible..if you go too high then the damn nose comes up and screws up my divebombing so can you please fix that asap...
i have made a divebombing gun sight to aid in divebombing from 2k,,,please feel free to share it with your friendz at no charge except to just say to yourself "it's a new day every day and i can make a difference in the world if i try"
enuf here it is, enjoy:
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Just click your mouse on it and it will enter into your secret divebombing bombers folder.blt Use alt-f4 to bring it up right before you begin your decent into the target. Put your trgt right where the "*" thingy is. NOTE: you will not see a message when you click..it is automatic.
lol, good one falcon:rofl
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I dont know poo. Buffs are not as easy as you think. The other day I took up some B17s after a year and a half. Was too tired to fly so I put them on autoclime and came back when I was at 20K. bla bla bla long story, I came back with 4 FHs down and 5 kills. If it was as easy as you think, I would have never missed the VH on my last run. You really think it is easy holding Y down for 3 seconds? :eek:
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I still say Simaril has the ultimate solution as far as dive bombing is concerned. Here>>>>>Give Us Bomb Bays (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=168118&referrerid=7566) [/color]
While this is likely to require some in depth programing code, i do hope we see it down the road. And i think we will actually. :)
PS...so i lied about not posting to this thread again... :D
OK...now i am done. :aok
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
aahhaaa. Now i see your posistion on the issue. Isnt this really more about not being able to stop them before they blow up you Hangers, CVs and such?
And a lot less about what you think is proper and realistic bombing procedure?
PS...dont bother answering those questions if you dont want. I personally will not be replying to this thread anymore. There is another thread that is more than ample to address your "Concerns" that has been active for 3 days now. As BlueJ said.. Its really a matter of Time involved and not much more. Regards.
no, thats not it at all. what im saying is, if the AH gunnery and flight model is so good, why is it that the bombers have a self calculating bombsight?
what i mean is, that fighters are modelled properly, so why shouldnt bombers?
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For me there is this basic principle: if I want to have some sense of realism (at least the illusion of such) I switch games entirely and go to play IL-2. If you guys like realistic bombing, IL-2 got LOTS! to offer. AH does too much compromises in the name of "gameplay" but then again, offers lots of other important features, like ALT+X (in IL-2, you cant go to have a beer in the middle of the flight, damn it!) and you might score some kills even when totally wasted :D
I too agree with Poo about the challenge bomber runs needs to offer. If you learn it too quickly, you become bored and might for once go and make your wife happy instead of sitting by the computer whole night. If HTC is directing these aids to the noobs / potential payers, then it is a very short sighted policy. One part of the addiction in the simulator hobby, is the fact that one can never really learn to master the flying. There is always a challenge, always someone better, some better plane to pop up when riding an emil. Making things too easy is not necessarily a way to attract more players...
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Challenge is a good word...
With the old method of bombing it took some practice and yes I understand HT dumbing it down so more people would fly them but for me it took something away.
Just befor the change we made the MERLINS into a bomber wing and collected those of us that were really practiced in the old method and when ever a squad member would request that somethig go down we would up a few flights and smash the target. I remeber after one of the first requests that the bomber wing hit somethig we went, did our job and one of our squad mates said
"Now thats why we have a bomber wing." I haven't heard anything like this after the change. There really wasn't a need for a specific bomber wing any more because now everyone with just a few minuits practice can be just as good as someone that worked for a much longer time perfecting the old method.
Kind of like if they had taken the Jug or P-38 and made them fly like the Spit-16 or LA-7, Right now they take alot of skill to really fly good but if you made them fly like the spit or LA everyone would fly them.
Really the only challenge for us bomber lovers any more is just getting there. With maps like festerma and the like that have all the fields so close togeather that there are few radar holes to fly through and make the bad guys wonder whats in the sector. As it is now you can spot a bomber comeing once it hits NME territory so then the only challenge is to shoot as many planes down as you can befor you die. Actually I'm wrong there is one other challenge for a true bomber pilot and that would have to be sinking those pesky CV's in the bomb sight, some people can hit them others cant.
Oh and Mugzee I have been on and am still on dial up as Thndregg and I can get nothing else where we live and we have never encountered these vidio lag and screen stutters that you refer to as far as callibration go's. If we do get lag like you talk about it's usually so bad that it forces us to relog as it affects flying in all aspects and callibration is the least of our worries at that point :). Unless our dial up service is just better than yours was?
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I agree with Jackal (aargh!! insert green death icon here) however...
the 'hard' calibration method took me about two runs to get right, and we all know that even after 5 years, I'm probably the 2nd worse pileit in this game.
How about EZ bombing mode for a month after sub starts... then 'hard' mode after that?
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Make the bomb site right again, and add some freakin wind for godsake... This static enviorment is far too gamey and easy to bomb in. I was bombing feild ack from 20k with my salvo set to 1 with a load of 100lb bombs with the new joke-ez-mode bomb site. No F'in way is that close to be real. Its like we're flying around in F117s that look like B17s.
I didn't know Blue Knights flew bombers. Accessing your web site(http://www.theblueknights.com/Home.html) shows the following quote on the cover page.
"This squad has no ranks, no chain of command, no officers, nor do we have a squad night.. We don't fly missions, we don't drop bombs, we don't take bases... We fight... We're good at it..."
I've noticed you and your group have a lot to say about how bombers should be changed or not changed. Usually with the goal of reducing their effectiveness. I suspect you find them superfluous and would like nothing better than to sideline them.
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Originally posted by Flayed1
I find bombing is way to easy and I believe I was one of the bigest oponants of the easy bombing method when it came out. Did you know now that with this easy mode you can calibrate while in the pilot position? Press U hold Y for 10 seconds and poof. Heck with this method I learned the other day how to program a macro into my X52 that gives me a perfect calibration every time unless my speed changes. I took a newb to the TA when he asked how to bomb and I explaned what to do on the way to target and he hit what he was aiming for on the first try dead on and yet we still have the dive bombing buff dweebs.
We also have the furball guys complaining about buff guys killing the hangers so HT changes the bomb blast radius and makes them so weak that it's just silly.
The other night I lined my 15K 24's up on a medium field to hit the hangers (far to many red guys coming out of that base) I had a perfect calibration and dropped 12000 lbs of bombs on both sets of hangers and nothing happened. The craters were in contact with the hangers and not one went down as if the FH's now have some form of shielding.
So my question is this if the bombs are so weak now that we need perfect direct hits on hangers and such why did they mess with the bomb calibration mode? Seems to me that they just went in a loop. Used to be harder to calibrate but if done well with some practice you could bomb fairly well, now we hardly have to try to calibrate and now it's almost impossible to kill things with a perfect calibration.
I have to ask HTC staff what is the point in going in a circle like this?
Personally I feel the reduction in splash damage of the bombs is a response to the addition of B-24’s. They carry two more of the 1K bombs. In AH1 I could drop a single salvo of 1K bombs on a hanger and drop it. With 8 salvo’s available I’d be able to drop all the hangers on a large field including the VH. Or a more likely scenario, be able to drop hangers twice on a small or medium field. Now I have to take up hanger bangers (2K bombs) to reliably nail the hangers. No way to do it with the 1K unless I drop two salvos. The end result of this has been to make the B-24 less effective in AH2 than the B-17 was in AH1.
Makes you wonder what they’ll do if we ever get the B-29? A bomber with a payload of 20K. Reduce the effectiveness of the bombs again?
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Originally posted by ChopSaw
Whaaa BKs squeeeeek BKs whaaaa BKs squeeek squeeeeeeeeeek BKs
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dedalos,
I’m not sure what you’re driving at by misquoting me. Perhaps you could make yourself clearer by using grown up words. Come on….you can do it.:lol
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Originally posted by Flayed1
Oh and Mugzee I have been on and am still on dial up as Thndregg and I can get nothing else where we live and we have never encountered these vidio lag and screen stutters that you refer to as far as callibration go's. If we do get lag like you talk about it's usually so bad that it forces us to relog as it affects flying in all aspects and callibration is the least of our worries at that point :). Unless our dial up service is just better than yours was?
Correct me if i am wrong. But your quoting me has implications of calling me a liar or written all over it. Are you are implying that i am the only one that claimed that connection and video lag caused inconstant results with the Calibrated bomb site? Or is it that you are questioning my ability to calibrate the Bombsite the "Hard" way? Im just explaining it like it was. I could go to my Brothers house during the time we had the so called "Hard" bomb site ( his ID was "RoyG" and he was on roadrunner cable Internet.) I could bomb the watermelon outa things with very consistent results. But at my own home on dialup and a lesser computer i couldn't get even close to the same result (Bombs would end up 1/4 to half an airfield off target). So we decided hey...let take my PC to his house and see if it's my computer, the connection, or a combination of both. I took my PC to his house and hooked it up to his Cable connection and I could bomb much better than i could at my house on Dial UP but still not quite as well as i could on his Computer. :)
I also tested this at my cousin house in PA (ID Tman) 3.5 hours drive from my house. He was on dialup. Same result as at my own home back in OH. Off Line mode...no problem. So my point and conclusion is that PC performance and connection can and does play havoc with the "Hard" bomb site results. I went through all the BS testing to make sure i knew what i was saying wasn't BS because at that time there were plenty of players online telling me the same thing you are now.
Maybe you didn't have a problem with it. But i know many players did (Offline Mode= No trouble in accuracy at all.) We chatted about it on many occasions. Comparing results and drawing conclusions. IIIRC i even called Skuzzy on the problem. The case in point was obvious for me. "I" the same player....on different Pcs and different connection got very different results. So does/can your PC performance and or Connection cause inaccurate results in an Multiplayer arena where the Server and other Internet connection issues along with PC performance all play a part. Not just the Dumb guy playing. ;)
PS...As long as you have been playing i cant believe that you cant remember the radio text of the guys saying that they couldn't hit watermelon with the bombs all the while the "Hard" bomb site was running in the game setup. Maybe this is because you weren't having trouble with it and assumed anyone that was, just didn't know they were doing? Either way now you understand where i am coming from now.
PS...i got Cable soon after the testings and had no trouble at all. :aok
Make it hard.. I can do it now.. MUCH better PC and Cable connection.
But thats being selfish isnt it?
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If they make it difficult again people will just go back to full-time use of NOE Lanc's and 24's on the deck. You still see them now, of course, but maybe 1-in-5 heavy bomber groups is below 5K where before it was more like 4-in-5 were.
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Originally posted by ChopSaw
dedalos,
I’m not sure what you’re driving at by misquoting me. Perhaps you could make yourself clearer by using grown up words. Come on….you can do it.:lol
I really don't think I misquoted you :rofl I do however use grown up words whan I am talking to grown ups.
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Originally posted by dedalos
I really don't think I misquoted you :rofl I do however use grown up words whan I am talking to grown ups.
Try again. You're getting closer. :cool:
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Originally posted by ChopSaw
Try again. You're getting closer. :cool:
teH buffz are teh earsy modeZ. Tey reprezzzent no teh challenz. That better for ya?
Make them a little more chalenging and you may gain some pilots to offset the ones you think will stop flying them. So, as the web site states, we dont drop bombs because it is really not a challenge and therefore borring. We don't want the buffs removed but rather to become a chalenge and therefore fun to fly. Do you understand why you got the responce you got or are we going back to whaaaaaa BK sqeeek BK and buffs,, whaaaaaa.
You dont think they are easy? Get ina fighter. I ll dog fight you in a B26 or b17.
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Originally posted by dedalos
teH buffz are teh earsy modeZ. Tey reprezzzent no teh challenz. That better for ya?
Make them a little more chalenging and you may gain some pilots to offset the ones you think will stop flying them. So, as the web site states, we dont drop bombs because it is really not a challenge and therefore borring. We don't want the buffs removed but rather to become a chalenge and therefore fun to fly. Do you understand why you got the responce you got or are we going back to whaaaaaa BK sqeeek BK and buffs,, whaaaaaa.
You dont think they are easy? Get ina fighter. I ll dog fight you in a B26 or b17.
Ah, I see. I think I’ve got your words decoded now. You’re a Blue Knight and you take exception to my comments regarding your squad. My comments refer to the collection of posts your squad members have made regarding bombers. Not just the posting on this thread, but many others. With little or no exception they are a litany of complaints about bombers. Anything from the guns on bombers are too easy to the bombs are too powerful and now calibration is too easy.
I wanted to point out that the Blue Knights exclusive concern is air to air combat and that they find anything which might detract from that unacceptable. Such as a group of bombers taking out the fighter hangers of a field they’re furballing at or a field actually being taken and ruining the fun they were having furballing. I believe the quote from the Blue Knight web site, “This squad has no ranks, no chain of command, no officers, nor do we have a squad night… We don't fly missions, we don't drop bombs, we don't take bases… We fight… We’re good at it…”, says a great deal about your position. In addition, the disdain you show for others who do not share your view is self evident. I feel there is a lack of validity in anything the Blue Knights have to say regarding bombers. They’re too self interested and more than a little interested in denigrating others not of their “rarified talent”. There is also a tendency by the Blue Knights to become abusive and that too is evident.
And of course the challenge to someone who disagrees with you, “DA me”. I do not believe I will be accommodating you in your challenge to dog fight you in a heavy bomber. How you got there from the original topic, bomb sight issues, is not entirely unsurprising. Go back to your baby words if you must. I’d prefer you didn’t, but it’s your choice and image.:cool:
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Chopsaw...I see you are getting Funky Text like i was....are you using MS Word?
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Chopsaw...I see you are getting Funky Text like i was....are you using MS Word?
Yes, I'm using MS Word to do some of my editing. I'm not sure what you mean by "Funky Text". It looks okay on the post to me. Is it reading strangely on your computer?
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Originally posted by ChopSaw
Ah, I see. I think I’ve got your words decoded now. You’re a Blue Knight and you take exception to my comments regarding your squad. My comments refer to the collection of posts your squad members have made regarding bombers. Not just the posting on this thread, but many others. With little or no exception they are a litany of complaints about bombers. Anything from the guns on bombers are too easy to the bombs are too powerful and now calibration is too easy.
I wanted to point out that the Blue Knights exclusive concern is air to air combat and that they find anything which might detract from that unacceptable. Such as a group of bombers taking out the fighter hangers of a field they’re furballing at or a field actually being taken and ruining the fun they were having furballing. I believe the quote from the Blue Knight web site, “This squad has no ranks, no chain of command, no officers, nor do we have a squad night… We don't fly missions, we don't drop bombs, we don't take bases… We fight… We’re good at it…”, says a great deal about your position. In addition, the disdain you show for others who do not share your view is self evident. I feel there is a lack of validity in anything the Blue Knights have to say regarding bombers. They’re too self interested and more than a little interested in denigrating others not of their “rarified talent”. There is also a tendency by the Blue Knights to become abusive and that too is evident.
And of course the challenge to someone who disagrees with you, “DA me”. I do not believe I will be accommodating you in your challenge to dog fight you in a heavy bomber. How you got there from the original topic, bomb sight issues, is not entirely unsurprising. Go back to your baby words if you must. I’d prefer you didn’t, but it’s your choice and image.:cool:
This arguement has been brought up time and again so theres no use getting into it again. I will say for the 1st 3 months of my AH career I was a bomber pilot in a squad and in that short amount of time it quickly became stale and I looked to the more challenging fighters. ALL of the guys in my squad have been playing for years and years and while we might be a fighter squad we all have done and know how to bomb, it's not exactly brain surgery.
One other thing, we aren't against bombers. We are just tired of the way they are used. Most of the time(like just last night at A39) it's just some griefer who we've killed 10 times in a fighter who can't think of any other way to get back at us than to drop the FHs. In legit base captures or missions, blow the poop outta the hangars. But the guys who does it for no other reason than to ruinin not only the BKs fun but those we are fighting(the bombers own team mates) is sad and childish.
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Originally posted by ChopSaw
Yes, I'm using MS Word to do some of my editing. I'm not sure what you mean by "Funky Text". It looks okay on the post to me. Is it reading strangely on your computer?
I believe the quote from the Blue Knight web site, �This squad has no ranks, no chain of command, no officers, nor do we have a squad night� We don't fly missions, we don't drop bombs, we don't take bases� We fight� We�re good at it��, says a great deal about your position. In addition, the disdain you show for others who do not share your view is self evident. I feel there is a lack of validity in anything the Blue Knights have to say regarding bombers. They�re too self interested and more than a little interested in denigrating others not of their �rarified talent�. There is also a tendency by the Blue Knights to become abusive and that too is evident.
Check out all the question marks. This is from your post a few rows up. Are you also using Mozilla FireFox?
I am trying to track down the problem. It seems to have something to do with the "Character Encoding" settings. But nothing i do is fixing it. I am still working on it. I will let you know when i figure it out.
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Originally posted by ChopSaw
Ah, I see. I think I’ve got your words decoded now. You’re a Blue Knight and you take exception to my comments regarding your squad. My comments refer to the collection of posts your squad members have made regarding bombers. Not just the posting on this thread, but many others. With little or no exception they are a litany of complaints about bombers. Anything from the guns on bombers are too easy to the bombs are too powerful and now calibration is too easy.
I wanted to point out that the Blue Knights exclusive concern is air to air combat and that they find anything which might detract from that unacceptable. Such as a group of bombers taking out the fighter hangers of a field they’re furballing at or a field actually being taken and ruining the fun they were having furballing. I believe the quote from the Blue Knight web site, “This squad has no ranks, no chain of command, no officers, nor do we have a squad night… We don't fly missions, we don't drop bombs, we don't take bases… We fight… We’re good at it…”, says a great deal about your position. In addition, the disdain you show for others who do not share your view is self evident. I feel there is a lack of validity in anything the Blue Knights have to say regarding bombers. They’re too self interested and more than a little interested in denigrating others not of their “rarified talent”. There is also a tendency by the Blue Knights to become abusive and that too is evident.
And of course the challenge to someone who disagrees with you, “DA me”. I do not believe I will be accommodating you in your challenge to dog fight you in a heavy bomber. How you got there from the original topic, bomb sight issues, is not entirely unsurprising. Go back to your baby words if you must. I’d prefer you didn’t, but it’s your choice and image.:cool:
I see what the problem is here. You are not capable of understanding anything you read in the web site or that I said. Let me try again.
Paragraph1. You are right. You had no argument. Just an attack to the squad. Nothing new here about the easy mode. Its exactly what I said. Its too easy, therefore not a chalenge, therefore we dont like to fly them.
Paragraph2. Wrong. Only thing I find unacceptable is killing the FHs just to stop the fight. (for example, furball island or town). The rest you just made up. Not to mention that you are the one who attacked first.
Paragraph3. You just refuse to see the meaning of what was posted. Its not a DA me chalenge (I never have chalenged anyone to DA). As I said, get in a fighter and I will dog fight you in a b26. Just to show you that it is easy. You should win, but the fact that there is even going to be a fight, should be pruff that buffs are easy.
Offcorse, you are more interested in BK bashing and not at anything else.
Here is a funny thing for ya. You though I was chalenging you to DA me in a buff and you did not accept? :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by SuperDud
This arguement has been brought up time and again so theres no use getting into it again. I will say for the 1st 3 months of my AH career I was a bomber pilot in a squad and in that short amount of time it quickly became stale and I looked to the more challenging fighters. ALL of the guys in my squad have been playing for years and years and while we might be a fighter squad we all have done and know how to bomb, it's not exactly brain surgery.
One other thing, we aren't against bombers. We are just tired of the way they are used. Most of the time(like just last night at A39) it's just some griefer who we've killed 10 times in a fighter who can't think of any other way to get back at us than to drop the FHs. In legit base captures or missions, blow the poop outta the hangars. But the guys who does it for no other reason than to ruinin not only the BKs fun but those we are fighting(the bombers own team mates) is sad and childish.
I agree. Such behavior is sad and childish. Short of decreasing bombers abilities still further, how might such situations be eliminated? I don’t bomb that way or for those reasons myself and I discourage those that do.
My conclusion as to the Blue Knights stance was drawn from what I saw on your web site as well as the postings I’ve seen from that squads members.
Just for the record, I’m not a huge fan of the new calibrating method. In fact I use a version of the old calibrating method and get faster and more accurate calibrations under current conditions. In AH1 using the older style of calibrating I was able to get pinpoint accuracy. I don’t see that going back to the old method is going to decrease the accuracy so I don't see a large benefit to eliminating the new method. I do, however, see a decrease in the splash damage my bombs are doing and that is annoying.
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
I believe the quote from the Blue Knight web site, �This squad has no ranks, no chain of command, no officers, nor do we have a squad night� We don't fly missions, we don't drop bombs, we don't take bases� We fight� We�re good at it��, says a great deal about your position. In addition, the disdain you show for others who do not share your view is self evident. I feel there is a lack of validity in anything the Blue Knights have to say regarding bombers. They�re too self interested and more than a little interested in denigrating others not of their �rarified talent�. There is also a tendency by the Blue Knights to become abusive and that too is evident.
Check out all the question marks. This is from your post a few rows up. Are you also using Mozilla FireFox?
I am trying to track down the problem. It seems to have something to do with the "Character Encoding" settings. But nothing i do is fixing it. I am still working on it. I will let you know when i figure it out.
Weird, it doesn’t show that way when I read the post on my computer. I think it’s because I copied and pasted from the Blue Knight web site. I’m using IE for a browser.
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Originally posted by dedalos
I see what the problem is here. You are not capable of understanding anything you read in the web site or that I said. Let me try again.
Paragraph1. You are right. You had no argument. Just an attack to the squad. Nothing new here about the easy mode. Its exactly what I said. Its too easy, therefore not a chalenge, therefore we dont like to fly them.
Paragraph2. Wrong. Only thing I find unacceptable is killing the FHs just to stop the fight. (for example, furball island or town). The rest you just made up. Not to mention that you are the one who attacked first.
Paragraph3. You just refuse to see the meaning of what was posted. Its not a DA me chalenge (I never have chalenged anyone to DA). As I said, get in a fighter and I will dog fight you in a b26. Just to show you that it is easy. You should win, but the fact that there is even going to be a fight, should be pruff that buffs are easy.
Offcorse, you are more interested in BK bashing and not at anything else.
Here is a funny thing for ya. You though I was chalenging you to DA me in a buff and you did not accept? :rofl :rofl :rofl
:huh Kid, your intelligence amazes me. It’s obviously far beyond my own. So far, in fact, it is difficult for me to understand your train of thought.
In the end….whatever you have to or want to tell yourself. I’m not going to pursue a flame war. :cool:
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Chopsaw, 2 things. One, everytime there's a bomber thread, someone starts in with "BKs want bombers removed from the game, you guys don't bomb, you just want to ruin our fun, blah blah blah". Try a different tact.
Second, that website is rarely updated, if ever. With the exception of maybe the roster, and a few of the films, it's pretty stagnant. With so many of the squad passed out drunk, or in the nursing home, getting anything done is somewhat challenging.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Chopsaw, 2 things. One, everytime there's a bomber thread, someone starts in with "BKs want bombers removed from the game, you guys don't bomb, you just want to ruin our fun, blah blah blah". Try a different tact.
Second, that website is rarely updated, if ever. With the exception of maybe the roster, and a few of the films, it's pretty stagnant. With so many of the squad passed out drunk, or in the nursing home, getting anything done is somewhat challenging.
It could be the reason they start in with that isn’t related to your web site as much as it is to your postings as a group. The web site helps of course. If the tact fits, wear it.
You make it sound as if your squad is sliding down a slope into decay and neglect. My sympathies for your decline.
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Originally posted by ChopSaw
:huh Kid, your intelligence amazes me. It’s obviously far beyond my own. So far, in fact, it is difficult for me to understand your train of thought.
Correct. Now we are getting somewhere :aok
I’m not going to pursue a flame war. :cool:
Yep, you just start the flaming.
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Like I said, kid, whatever you have to tell yourself. :cool:
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Chopsaw, 2 things. One, everytime there's a bomber thread, someone starts in with "BKs want bombers removed from the game, you guys don't bomb, you just want to ruin our fun, blah blah blah". Try a different tact.
Second, that website is rarely updated, if ever. With the exception of maybe the roster, and a few of the films, it's pretty stagnant. With so many of the squad passed out drunk, or in the nursing home, getting anything done is somewhat challenging.
so i take it your in the nursing home?
I am surprise to see Morph speak about bombers. Thinking of Morph in bombers is like seeing an old lady naked. The after thoughts are scary. So i would see what chopsaw is talking about. But I also wouldn't be surprise to see 1st LT Laz and Capt Superdud rolling M3s to a string of Vehicle bases.... that thought too is scary..
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"Correct me if i am wrong. But your quoting me has implications of calling me a liar or written all over it."
WOOAAAHHH there guy I had no intention of calling anyone a liar nor to my recolection have I ever called anyone a liar on this forum.
I was just curious if it was your net connection as I havent seen others post or remember anyone talking about lag issues effecting bomb calibratin.
Geez man lighten up I've always tried to post in a way that wasn't offencive to others with 1 exception. So I'm sorry if you took it that way.
"Personally I feel the reduction in splash damage of the bombs is a response to the addition of B-24’s. They carry two more of the 1K bombs. In AH1 I could drop a single salvo of 1K bombs on a hanger and drop it. With 8 salvo’s available I’d be able to drop all the hangers on a large field including the VH. Or a more likely scenario, be able to drop hangers twice on a small or medium field. Now I have to take up hanger bangers (2K bombs) to reliably nail the hangers. No way to do it with the 1K unless I drop two salvos. The end result of this has been to make the B-24 less effective in AH2 than the B-17 was in AH1.
Makes you wonder what they’ll do if we ever get the B-29? A bomber with a payload of 20K. Reduce the effectiveness of the bombs again?"
I see your point chopsaw but I dumped a salvo of 4 1000 pounders from each plane on 2 hangers with the usuall perfect calibration and no damage or at least no visible effect:huh I mean come on that much ord and nothing? maybe it was just a glitch in the game but it was well annoying.
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Originally posted by navajoboy
so i take it your in the nursing home?
I am surprise to see Morph speak about bombers. Thinking of Morph in bombers is like seeing an old lady naked. The after thoughts are scary. So i would see what chopsaw is talking about. But I also wouldn't be surprise to see 1st LT Laz and Capt Superdud rolling M3s to a string of Vehicle bases.... that thought too is scary..
First of all, I have to agree, that is a scary thought.
But, just because one does not fly buffs, it does not mean that he should not have an opinion about them. Its not like we never tried them before (you know, the fat chick no one is supposed to know about)
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I agree with chopsaw.
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Originally posted by Messiah
I agree with chopsaw.
Well that is just plain scary. :O
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originally posted by ChopSaw
"Personally I feel the reduction in splash damage of the bombs is a response to the addition of B-24’s. They carry two more of the 1K bombs. In AH1 I could drop a single salvo of 1K bombs on a hanger and drop it. With 8 salvo’s available I’d be able to drop all the hangers on a large field including the VH. Or a more likely scenario, be able to drop hangers twice on a small or medium field. Now I have to take up hanger bangers (2K bombs) to reliably nail the hangers. No way to do it with the 1K unless I drop two salvos. The end result of this has been to make the B-24 less effective in AH2 than the B-17 was in AH1.
Makes you wonder what they’ll do if we ever get the B-29? A bomber with a payload of 20K. Reduce the effectiveness of the bombs again?"
Originally posted by Flayed1
I see your point chopsaw but I dumped a salvo of 4 1000 pounders from each plane on 2 hangers with the usuall perfect calibration and no damage or at least no visible effect:huh I mean come on that much ord and nothing? maybe it was just a glitch in the game but it was well annoying.
That's why I carry hanger bangers (2,000 lb. bombs) when I want to kill hangers. Four salvos, four hangers. It can be done with 1,000 lb bombs or even 500 lb. bombs, but it's far from reliable. In AH1 I used the B-17 with 1,000 lb bombs. Six salvos, six hangers. The hanger bangers are reliable, but what an over kill. Six thousand pounds to kill a hanger rated at 3,000? It's not right.
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Originally posted by Pooface
over the past 8 or 9 months i have noticed the general skill level fall terribly in the MA. and a lot of this terrible skill is linked to the fact it is no longer needed. i really wish that the auto bombsight calibration would be turned off in all arenas. it takes 2 minutes, and in my mind, it could bring back more coordinated attacks, better bombing runs, more teamwork, and more exciting gameplay. right now it is very gamey, and although yes, this is a game, just holding y for a few seconds is a little stupid.
i really think this could help the community and the arena, just by disabling the auto calibration. so please HT, is it possible??
what does everyone else think?
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "EZBomb mode". I played the 2 week trial before AH2, and another trial when HT offered it again as a promotion. Think it was when AH2 was released.
I don't remember bombing being any different. I thought you had to calibrate the site by holding it on a point for 2 sec. at least , but longer was more accurate. I miss targets now unless I hold it for 5 sec., and keep alt, & speed steady.
I'm handicapped, and can't handle fighters enough to get more than 3 perks per day. If that. I've been flying this game for a while now. My skills will get no better as I don't have the dexterity to use my CH Flight Pro, and CH Throttle as it is. Pretty soon, I'll be unable to move the stick against the spring resistance without it flopping out my hand. Not to mention that rudder pedals (a neccessaty), are useless to me as my lower leggs have no muscle use any more. Can't move my ankles to work pedals. I enjoy bombing as it is now. I can at least do something useful for the team. If it's supposed to be harder, I won't be able to do it, and will have to quit as I don't like paying $15.00 a month to sit in a chat room.
Skin-E
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Sry for late post, love it Pooface, I miss the old days where people actually took time to aim the bombs. Like its more realistic and it adds challenge, plus there won't be as many newb bombers out there, YAY!!!!!! That will make me so happy
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I didnt catch this thread whne it first started. I remember the uber easy bombsight in AH1. I was in a lanc up at 25K dropping a single 500lb bomb onto enemy bases to pork troops
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You'll be OK skin-e. You remeber when you had to click on your target for the aim altitude then hold the point steady for awhile. Now all you need to do is hold the button down for about 10 sec.
:D
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This was found on a site about the norden
is this what you relally want in the bomb site.
"The basic principle of any bombing mission was to deliver the bombs accurately on the target. To navigate through clouds or to evade and counter the enemy’s defenses was an achievement in itself, yet everything depended upon the bombardier’s ability to hit his target. The bombardier’s main tool was the Norden bombsight, a top secret piece of equipment the Allies guarded throughout the war. On a mission, the bombardier’s real job began at the IP. This was the point at which the bombing run on the target began; from this point on, the bombardier would fly the airplane through the bombsight linked to the autopilot. The plane would have to be flown straight and level to the release point through flak and fighter attacks. Few, if any, bombers equalled the B-17 in visibility afforded to the bombardier. Sitting behind the bombsight in the plexiglas nose gave him an unrestricted view for his mission.
The Norden simplified the bombardier’s job considerably by taking into account factors of altitude, airspeed, ground speed and drift to automatically calculate the bomb release point.
The optical sighting mechanism of the bombsight was a small telescope. The bombardier would first locate the target by looking over the instrument and through the plexiglas nose. Once the target was located he would try to line it up in the telescope, often requiring several head up glances to find the target again. There were two cross hairs on the telescope, one to show drift left or right of the target, the other to show rate of closure. When the two indicators met the bomb would automatically release."
This was found at "arizonawingcaf.com"
Regards................DHawk:confused:
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Originally posted by zorstorer
You'll be OK skin-e. You remeber when you had to click on your target for the aim altitude then hold the point steady for awhile. Now all you need to do is hold the button down for about 10 sec.
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That's how I do it now... Like the old days. I have gotten pretty good doing it the old way. Never knew they made it easier.
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Originally posted by Pooface
i dont see why my spitfire cant have a sidewinder if your bombers have smart bombs do you?
You drive a Spit but want bombsight calibration to be more difficult.
Just sayin.
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Even driving TIE-fighter require far more skill than holding 1 button pressed for 10 sec.
I miss old calibration routine.
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Originally posted by Oleg
Even driving TIE-fighter require far more skill than holding 1 button pressed for 10 sec.
I miss old calibration routine.
Perhaps my approach to the game is bizzare. I view the planes, (and ships, GVs, etc.) no differently than a deck of cards. We are all playing from the same deck. What you make of your hand is up to you. If you truly feel that bombing is too easy, dedicate yourself to taking them out. Might make for a new and interesting challenge. Sir.
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Originally posted by Simaril
Poo --
I think its important to realize that while some buffers are exoerienced players who like to bomb, many are not yet competitive in fighters. Being able to buff easily makes them more likely to stay in the game.
I disagree. I'm experienced NOW, but when I started, I was a newbie (go figure) and when I was a newbie, it was the old calibration method... It was explained to me once and I understood and became quite good at it.
It adds about 5 seconds to the learning curve, nothing more. I think it should be brought back.
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prior to the calibrated bombsite, we had one that required less calibration than the current model.
i'm for anything that will induce bombers to fly 15K+
hap
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Aztec you just said that, if I had a Ace I would beat you all, thats like having a IL-2 beat a Spit in a turn fight. Now if the settings go back, people will need actual escorts and time to set up the bombing runs not just up and bomb in the right spot everytime.
How you play your hand? If you had Aces then you win cause of have the "best". Its like saying the Spit is the best if you have it you always win. Well you better think again.
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Originally posted by Viper9th
Aztec you just said that, if I had a Ace I would beat you all, thats like having a IL-2 beat a Spit in a turn fight. Now if the settings go back, people will need actual escorts and time to set up the bombing runs not just up and bomb in the right spot everytime.
How you play your hand? If you had Aces then you win cause of have the "best". Its like saying the Spit is the best if you have it you always win. Well you better think again.
precisely!!!!!!!
bombers never just upped and carpet bombed a town at 500 ft, they had to climb to alt, have escorts, and set up their run many miles from the target. now we arewnt asking for bombers to be completely neutered, just for them to be more real, and for them not to have an autocalculating laser guided bombsight :)
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Originally posted by Viper9th
Aztec you just said that, if I had a Ace I would beat you all, thats like having a IL-2 beat a Spit in a turn fight. Now if the settings go back, people will need actual escorts and time to set up the bombing runs not just up and bomb in the right spot everytime.
I must be the oddball from most bombers. I still do it the old way, and I usally bomb without escorts from 15k to 20k. I find it easy as it is.
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Originally posted by Viper9th
Aztec you just said that, if I had a Ace I would beat you all, thats like having a IL-2 beat a Spit in a turn fight. Now if the settings go back, people will need actual escorts and time to set up the bombing runs not just up and bomb in the right spot everytime.
How you play your hand? If you had Aces then you win cause of have the "best". Its like saying the Spit is the best if you have it you always win. Well you better think again.
Excuse me for my thoughts sir..fact is, I still have too much fun to piss and moan about much of anything in the game. No matter how you cut it, it's still the best chat room with airplanes there is.
Let he who is without something disgusting growing in his refridgerator cast the first stone.
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I cant bomb worth a darn in the heavy bombers regardless of which bomb site calibration method is used. :rofl
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When the 'difficult' method of bombing was the norm...it progressed to where it was more efficient to kill hangars with tiffy's and 110's than with bombers...and the few that DID fly buffs went on the deck and simply dove them in
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how returning to "hard" calibration mode for buffs will bring up skill
level in MA i cant see.
the "hard"calibration mode was only slightly more difficult than it is now
(had to keep crosshairs fixed while holding down y)
dont matter to me..... back to "hard" add wind too ...makes no nevermind i'll
still bomb with the same result.
this will not stop your "dive bombing lancs" though so what is the point?
live and let live whats the fuss????????????
i pop a woody everytime i see low buffs...............
dinner is served.
o wait i know............
the buffs took down FHs............
o no there are only 86 bases left to up out of........
this whole thing is getting pretty stale
if someone wants to up buffs and kill FHs that is his
perogative..........
if u dont like it shoot him down
(and dont tell me buffs are too tough)
follow SkatrSR around for a day and you'll be bagging buffs by the
truckload.
enjoy the game ... dont sweat the small stuff
after all it IS a game.
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Originally posted by bj229r
When the 'difficult' method of bombing was the norm...it progressed to where it was more efficient to kill hangars with tiffy's and 110's than with bombers...and the few that DID fly buffs went on the deck and simply dove them in
i absolutely disagree complete rubbish.
no offence.
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Originally posted by soupcan
i absolutely disagree complete rubbish.
no offence.
BJ's absolutely right, though. Go dig some old threads up about bombers back then and you'll see. Barely anyone could bomb well, practally zero from hi alt, so it was either low alt diving buffs (which still plague the MA) or horde tiff and 110 missions taking down the hangars that they could no longer bomb accurately.
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Originally posted by Stang
BJ's absolutely right, though. Go dig some old threads up about bombers back then and you'll see. Barely anyone could bomb well, practally zero from hi alt, so it was either low alt diving buffs (which still plague the MA) or horde tiff and 110 missions taking down the hangars that they could no longer bomb accurately.
well that must have been before my time.....
been playing for almost 2 years and have never
had a problem hitting targets by level bombing.
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Originally posted by Stang
... or horde tiff and 110 missions taking down the hangars that they could no longer bomb accurately.
Always loved to have the ride of the valkuries playing in the background :)