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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: hgtonyvi on January 19, 2015, 12:45:20 PM
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Lately things haven't been the same way on Aces High. I remember couple years Ago where players had respect for each other and also played the game in a very professional way. There was really not much trash talking and channel 200 was not so whining. These days its almost impossible to get a 1v1 fight in the MA. Also its really really rare that we get a good base to base furball going. Or Even When we do get a furball going the fun polices Comes in and hit the Hangars or Hit HQ. Some players just run away when u get on their 6's. No one wants to fight anymore. If players were to actually commit to a 1v1 dogfight I think they would have 100x more fun than just make a pass and run away. Reason Why I play this game is to 1v1 Dogfight/Stall fight, where i can actually get a good look at the enemy airplane flying beside me and actually flying so close I can even see inside the Enemy Cockpit and perform back to back maneuvers which makes both players brains starts to generate and act quicker and the adrenaline rush that You feel is so much fun. Also before Game plans were much more organized and folks actually "listened" to the mission leader. All I'm saying is that i feel like things are starting to Disintegrate. I Always Fly Knights but I believe this is going on in the entire game where players from Rooks Or Bishops might say the same. :salute
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The new generation of AH2 has finally arrived. All people want anymore is to try and make their score look as good as possible which means avoiding any fight that you do not hold every single advantage in and have at least 2 friends nearby to bail you out of trouble. The main focus on the MA players now is to win the war as quickly as possible by any means which seems to be swarming undefended bases and moving on to another part of the map when even 1 person ups to defend.
That's just how I've seen it anyways.
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The new generation of AH2 has finally arrived. All people want anymore is to try and make their score look as good as possible which means avoiding any fight that you do not hold every single advantage in and have at least 2 friends nearby to bail you out of trouble. The main focus on the MA players now is to win the war as quickly as possible by any means which seems to be swarming undefended bases and moving on to another part of the map when even 1 person ups to defend.
That's just how I've seen it anyways.
I don't think it's the win the war crowd honestly, it's the furballers that have changed. The win the war crowd remains pretty much has stayed the same, more people who are known as "furballers" are just BnZ now.
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have to agree there Latrobe. been hung out to dry more then a few times even for a new player. it gets old going to a fight and finding 5 or 6 v 1 then check your 6 and have no help. it pretty much makes you look for groups. this is why i find it hard to fly new planes and have to stay with the spit8 or 16 where i at least have a chance to dodge a few before i fall to pieces. ya know stay with "bread and butter". as a new player to this game it makes it even more frustrating also that EVERYBODY is better then you are. as much time you spend in the TA learning nothing compares to actual fights.
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Meh, if you want to get better ask someone to go to the DA and practice for hours. .
Gunnery and SA will only improve with practice,
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I don't think it's the win the war crowd honestly, it's the furballers that have changed. The win the war crowd remains pretty much has stayed the same, more people who are known as "furballers" are just BnZ now.
The win the war has become the ONLY crowd.
More and more fighter guys have left and the few people that stay are those that play for score or win the war.
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Getting shot down, under any circumstance, is ultimately your fault as the pilot.
The truth is that, from an ACM perspective, turning is and always will be inferior to energy fighting tactics (of which BnZ is a subset of). When everyone makes the same poor choice and turnfights, all is fun and well because everyone is doing the same thing (flying poorly and bleeding energy, from an ACM perspective), so no one can claim an advantage. However, all it takes is one smart pilot to realize that turning is tactically dumb, and then all he has to do is use energy tactics to decimate the furballers.
Furballers don't like this, because it means they have to use actual ACM instead of the pseudo-gamey turn and stall and loop routine that appears to have been the standard for so long. It seems to be slowly dwindling away (thank God) and there may yet be hope for this game.
No turnfighter is good enough to engage 2+ competent opponents using turn tactics. Sure, you can engage inferior opponents using turn tactics and probably win, but all it takes is one competent energy fighter and you're done. The myth of "being able to take on 3-5+ guys in a turnfight on the deck" is just that: a myth. If you're routinely beating multiple guys in one vs many turnfights, you're either flying a much better plane than they are, or your opposition is terrible. Sure, an occasional win is possible, but statistically you won't survive.
To make matters worse, the above myth is repeated ad naseum until enthusiastic, yet inexperienced guys (like MAGIC58/mikev above) hear it and accept that myth as truth. They then think something is wrong with them and their flying because they can't survive 3+ opponents in their Spitfire I. They then go to the forums, asking for help from the "AH gods," who then reiterate to them that turning better on the deck is the key to winning and having fun! At the same time, these same "AH gods" are getting killed by energy fighters, and so they come to the forum and decry using BnZ, HO shots, roping, etc., all because they can't be effectively countered by turnfighting. This is called a "clue"... and it's a joke.
If your flying prevented you from dying while allowing you to shoot someone else down, that's a good thing. If the other guy died, that's his fault. Who cares if you avoided several enemies and targeted a single pilot in a slower aircraft? He died, you lived. Who cares if you didn't get into a turnfight on the deck? Your opponent is in the tower, not you. So what if you exited a fight when someone else started to gain the advantage? Do you think pilots in WWII thought "Oh well, this A6M Zero in on my six, what honorable flying! Now I'll let him kill me because diving away would be dishonorable." No, the pilot fought with every resource he had until his opponent was down or until he was able to escape with his life.
There's nothing dishonorable about not getting shot down. It's tactically (and logically) ridiculous to enter and a furball and go into a turnfight, all for the sake of some non-existent honor. The honor in a dogfight goes to those who survived it. If you want a 1v1, go to the DA.
The MA is an all-out war. If you die in there, it's your fault. To the newer players like MAGIC: Don't let anyone's preference for a certain style of flight decide what you'll fly or how you'll fly it. Fly what you want and fly it to its strengths.
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Beating one's framed membrane in public to announce their pixilated phantom testosterone surplus does not solve this problem. And back to the problem at hand.
1. - Very few players will spend time in the DA ever.
2. - Very few players have the risk tolerance to stand and fight alone.
3. - Most players are lazy, have little time to invest, and want the most fun their way for their $14.95.
4. - What few of those we have, currently keep us at 300 players on good nights, and we need the numbers to pay the light bill.
The common denominator is we are all equal due to being able to pay our $14.95 access fee. After which, everyone has the right play this game as they please. Or are you geniuses advocating HiTech hold a gun to their heads and force them all to allow you to abuse them in the DA to enhance your pixilated sense of self worth?
Seems the muppets spent a few years in here complaining about exactly the same thing with the same answers. The DA population filled up at Furball Lake for a while, which was a more realistic representation of the average player who pays the light bill.
Unfortunatly, playing Aces High like an Xbox FPS game exposes that this game was never designed to be that, and makes it a weakness that drives away combat simulator fans.
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The win the war has become the ONLY crowd.
More and more fighter guys have left and the few people that stay are those that play for score or win the war.
Your right
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Spoken like a true energy fighter. If we were to play like you suggest there will be 8 or 10 people like you to zoom each other while you look for a new game to play much like the game you came from.
Turning and burning is the trill and excitement of the game. ANY BODY can energy fight if they have the patience and enjoy long boring Uneventful flights.
AH is a big sand box. There are many ways to play. Unfortunately the game play has morphed into play that makes furballing type fights fewer and further apart.
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If we were to play like you suggest there will be 8 or 10 people like you to zoom each other
That sounds like heaven!
Turning and burning is the trill and excitement of the game. ANY BODY can energy fight if they have the patience and enjoy long boring Uneventful flights.
Until someone comes in and kills the guys who are turning with extreme ease, and than the said turnfighters come in here and cry (which is why this thread was created). Yet, they somehow fail to recognize that if their style was as good as they say it is, they wouldn't have died so easily. Irony.
Further, turnfighting exists for a specific purpose in ACM. Over-using it is just as bad as over-using your flaps or any other air combat mechanic, and it has real consequences (such as being easy prey for energy fighters).
AH is a big sand box. There are many ways to play. Unfortunately the game play has morphed into play that makes furballing type fights fewer and further apart.
Yet again, what is the problem with this? You keep trying to assert your position that the majority likes to play a certain way without addressing the fact that if they like to play that way, they should find ways to make their playstyle work (instead of complaining how other people play). If your style of playing is so fragile that it can't stand up to someone else's well-executed playstyle, then your playstyle should be revised, not theirs.
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Getting shot down, under any circumstance, is ultimately your fault as the pilot.
The truth is that, from an ACM perspective, turning is and always will be inferior to energy fighting tactics (of which BnZ is a subset of). When everyone makes the same poor choice and turnfights, all is fun and well because everyone is doing the same thing (flying poorly and bleeding energy, from an ACM perspective), so no one can claim an advantage. However, all it takes is one smart pilot to realize that turning is tactically dumb, and then all he has to do is use energy tactics decimate the furballers.
Furballers don't like this, because it means they have to use actual ACM instead of the pseudo-gamey turn and stall and loop routine that appears to have been the standard for so long. It seems to be slowly dwindling away (thank God) and there may yet be hope for this game.
No turnfighter is good enough to engage 2+ competent opponents using turn tactics. Sure, you can engage inferior opponents using turn tactics and probably win, but all it takes is one competent energy fighter and you're done. The myth of "being able to take on 3-5+ guys in a turnfight on the deck" is just that: a myth. If you're routinely beating multiple guys in one vs many turnfights, you're either flying a much better plane than they are, or your opposition is terrible. Sure, an occasional win is possible, but statistically you won't survive.
To make matters worse, the above myth is repeated ad naseum until enthusiastic, yet inexperienced guys (like MAGIC58/mikev above) guys hear it and accept that myth as truth. They then think something is wrong with them and their flying because they can't survive 3+ opponents in their Spitfire I. They then go to the forums, asking for help from the "AH gods," who then reiterate to them that turning better on the deck is the key to winning and having fun! At the same time, these same "AH gods" are getting killed by energy fighters, and so they come to the forum and decry the use BnZ, HO shots, roping, etc., all because they can't be effectively countered by turnfighting. This is called a "clue"... and it's a joke.
If your flying prevented you from dying while allowing you to shoot someone else down, that's a good thing. If the other guy died, that's his fault. Who cares if you avoided several enemies and targeted a single pilot in a slower aircraft? He died, you lived. Who cares if you didn't get into a turnfight on the deck? Your opponent is in the tower, not you.
There's nothing dishonorable about not getting shot down. It's tactically (and logically) ridiculous to enter and a furball and go into a turnfight, all for the sake of some non-existent honor. The honor in a dogfight goes to those who survived it. If you want a 1v1, go to the DA.
The MA is an all-out war. If you die in there, it's your fault. To the newer players like MAGIC: Don't let anyone's preference for a certain style of flight decide what you'll fly or how you'll fly it. Fly what you want and fly it to its strengths.
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you right skyyr <S> i started out thinking your suppose to try to get on a players 6 before you shoot. that was the word i kept hearing for the first 5 months. now my first goal is to get out of the other guys gunsight anyway i can and get them into mine anyway i can .take each situation as if it was a real fight not a game. players call the spit a noob plane but im getting pretty good at its abilities ever since i changed my tactics. i may not always win but i am making it harder for the other guy now
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Of course he's right, I just wish he'd be quiet about it. The number of Spit 14s that try to turnfight my Spit 9 right now is....hilarious. Long may it continue.
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Bustr....every time one of these threads pops up there is always the 'quit whinning and act as if nothing happened' response. This time it is yours.
AH is going through a typical market shift and they either learn from what is going on or they die. If they die where do we go? That crap arcade game known as World of Planes or whatever?
The model is flawed and AH needs to act quickly, and decisively. They seem to be all in on eye candy. Will great graphics change having 200 sticks on a map the size of the Pacific ocean and no fights to be had? The culture is failed and needs to change.
Bottom line, shutting up and back to the grind is the death knell of AH. A few big changes are in order and openly discussing them is a great idea.
Much respect but...
boo
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The draw of any game is how it challenges you. Too easy and you will soon get bored and leave.
This particular game can be very difficult to master at first. In the early days of AH many were on the same learning curve as we learned together. There were also the influx of new players regularly and they were helped and encouraged to get up to speed. The pilots skills you would encounter varied greatly. Kills were available for all. Remember the 10 kill streaks that were routine in the MA.
Now as the community has shrunk and has shed it's weaker players a noob will be overwhelmed and too frustrated to continue the game. Try putting a little leaguer at bat against the Major League pitchers. We need a farm league to train our future furballers, base takers, Squadies, whatever.
Free to play EWA with a limited plane set. What is your solution to draw more players? What the 12hr rule crowd didn't get is if numbers were up you would not care or have to switch sides. More players would negate many of the whines we have recorded.
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Of course he's right, I just wish he'd be quiet about it. The number of Spit 14s that try to turnfight my Spit 9 right now is....hilarious. Long may it continue.
I beat one in a turn fight with a D-25 a couple of weeks ago, it was hilarious.
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Lately things haven't been the same way on Aces High. I remember couple years Ago where players had respect for each other and also played the game in a very professional way. There was really not much trash talking and channel 200 was not so whining. These days its almost impossible to get a 1v1 fight in the MA. Also its really really rare that we get a good base to base furball going. Or Even When we do get a furball going the fun polices Comes in and hit the Hangars or Hit HQ. Some players just run away when u get on their 6's. No one wants to fight anymore. If players were to actually commit to a 1v1 dogfight I think they would have 100x more fun than just make a pass and run away. Reason Why I play this game is to 1v1 Dogfight/Stall fight, where i can actually get a good look at the enemy airplane flying beside me and actually flying so close I can even see inside the Enemy Cockpit and perform back to back maneuvers which makes both players brains starts to generate and act quicker and the adrenaline rush that You feel is so much fun. Also before Game plans were much more organized and folks actually "listened" to the mission leader. All I'm saying is that i feel like things are starting to Disintegrate. I Always Fly Knights but I believe this is going on in the entire game where players from Rooks Or Bishops might say the same. :salute
The only change is in your memory. The game was exactly the same way a couple of years ago and was the same way a couple of years before that. It is a natural human tendency to preserve happy memories and let unhappy ones fade; that's the reason for nostalgia and for grumpy old farts complaining about how nothing is like it used to be. Nothing, including this game, has ever been "like it used to be". 200 has always been a sewer, Runstangs have always boomed and run, pickers have always picked, horders have always horded, Luftwhiners have always whined. It was like that in Air Warrior in 1996 when I started playing MMO flight combat sims and it's still like that here in 2015.
Search these forums and you'll find identical, not similar but identical, complaints ten years ago. If the game lasts until 2020, I guarantee you will see forum posts lamenting how much it's changed since the glory days of 2015 when everyone in the MA was polite and respectful and lived for the thrill of the FIGHT. The good old days are right now.
And if the game doesn't last until 2020, it won't be because new players have come in and ruined it, it will be because new players haven't come in at all. The "X-Bawx Generation" aren't here, they're playing X-Box games or World of _____. The average age of players here is higher than its ever been and still climbing.
Yes, there are problems with game play and attitude here. Always have been, always will be. Coming here and whining about it is not being part of the solution. What is the solution?
(1) Find a bunch of guys you like to fly with and enjoy flying with them.
(2) Stop caring what other people do, say, or think.
(3) Lead by example.
Pretty much the same as in any other area of life.
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That sounds like heaven!
Until someone comes in and kills the guys who are turning with extreme ease, and than the said turnfighters come in here and cry (which is why this thread was created). Yet, they somehow fail to recognize that if their style was as good as they say it is, they wouldn't have died so easily. Irony.
Further, turnfighting exists for a specific purpose in ACM. Over-using it is just as bad as over-using your flaps or any other air combat mechanic, and it has real consequences (such as being easy prey for energy fighters).
Yet again, what is the problem with this? You keep trying to assert your position that the majority likes to play a certain way without addressing the fact that if they like to play that way, they should find ways to make their playstyle work (instead of complaining how other people play). If your style of playing is so fragile that it can't stand up to someone else's well-executed playstyle, then your playstyle should be revised, not theirs.
So...the entire point of your post is to saying is that you do the EASIEST things to win; and that is fun? That is a sad excuse for wanting to play a combat simulator. The whole point of the game is that it is VIRTUAL. YOU don't die, and you get ENDLESS lives. Where is the CHALLENGE? It makes no sense to me. In a game that you can take ANY plane, and do EXACTLY what it's NOT supposed to do, or to take your favorite plane and get that white knuckles, adrenalin pumping fight with a "hated" foe, to just go for the easiest is totally counter intuitive.
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The only change is in your memory. The game was exactly the same way a couple of years ago and was the same way a couple of years before that. It is a natural human tendency to preserve happy memories and let unhappy ones fade; that's the reason for nostalgia and for grumpy old farts complaining about how nothing is like it used to be. Nothing, including this game, has ever been "like it used to be". 200 has always been a sewer, Runstangs have always boomed and run, pickers have always picked, horders have always horded, Luftwhiners have always whined. It was like that in Air Warrior in 1996 when I started playing MMO flight combat sims and it's still like that here in 2015.
Search these forums and you'll find identical, not similar but identical, complaints ten years ago. If the game lasts until 2020, I guarantee you will see forum posts lamenting how much it's changed since the glory days of 2015 when everyone in the MA was polite and respectful and lived for the thrill of the FIGHT. The good old days are right now.
And if the game doesn't last until 2020, it won't be because new players have come in and ruined it, it will be because new players haven't come in at all. The "X-Bawx Generation" aren't here, they're playing X-Box games or World of _____. The average age of players here is higher than its ever been and still climbing.
Yes, there are problems with game play and attitude here. Always have been, always will be. Coming here and whining about it is not being part of the solution. What is the solution?
(1) Find a bunch of guys you like to fly with and enjoy flying with them.
(2) Stop caring what other people do, say, or think.
(3) Lead by example.
Pretty much the same as in any other area of life.
The cloudy skies part, the sun breaks through and you hear angels softly signing what this man just said. . I'm tearing up. ..:salute
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So...the entire point of your post is to saying is that you do the EASIEST things to win; and that is fun? That is a sad excuse for wanting to play a combat simulator. The whole point of the game is that it is VIRTUAL. YOU don't die, and you get ENDLESS lives. Where is the CHALLENGE? It makes no sense to me. In a game that you can take ANY plane, and do EXACTLY what it's NOT supposed to do, or to take your favorite plane and get that white knuckles, adrenalin pumping fight with a "hated" foe, to just go for the easiest is totally counter intuitive.
I CHALLENGE you to the DA, so you CHALLENGE yourself trying to kill me, it's not my job(or anyone's ) to make you feel CHALLENGED. If it's easy for me to kill you, that's your fault.
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So...the entire point of your post is to saying is that you do the EASIEST things to win; and that is fun? That is a sad excuse for wanting to play a combat simulator. The whole point of the game is that it is VIRTUAL. YOU don't die, and you get ENDLESS lives. Where is the CHALLENGE? It makes no sense to me. In a game that you can take ANY plane, and do EXACTLY what it's NOT supposed to do, or to take your favorite plane and get that white knuckles, adrenalin pumping fight with a "hated" foe, to just go for the easiest is totally counter intuitive.
"Hate"? That's a strong word, but whatever. If I am fighting someone because I "hate them" (to quote you and your words, in your example), why would I bother doing anything else than killing them as quickly as possible? If I hate them, I want them shot down. They aren't worth spending any additional time on. It's not that hard of a concept; it's completely intuitive.
What's not intuitive is your concept of trying to make a challenge where there's not one. If my opponent does not offer me a challenge, that's not my fault, nor am I going to try to make the fight challenging. I'm there to beat him, not have fun with him. If he's not a challenge, it only means he's a poor opponent. My goal is to beat him as quickly as possible according to the rules that are in place at the time of the fight.
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I prolly shouldn't say this but its exactly the way it was back in 2000 when I started. Its also the same way Air Warrior was before that. Same complaints for the most part as well. As far as trash talking I recall being "shocked" at what was being said on the cross country channel when I first arrived. I think peoples perspectives change after they have played for awhile. As humans we kinda look at the past as being this great time for some reason. Im sure someone will come in here and start talking of the grand days of Camelot......... :old:
Im still having a blast playing this game! :aok
Tally Ho!
Pipz.....The Canadian. :cheers:
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I'm there to beat him, not have fun with him.
So what you are saying is that you are a narcissistic masochist, got it! Anything else you would like to add?
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I didn't say that at all. I said, simply, that in a game where points are awarded for beating another player, my goal is simply to beat him.
Anything else you'd like to add that I didn't say?
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What about fur-takers like the Pigs? :D
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Having some dedicated E fighters rack up kills on the furballer/flaps-out guys is nothing new. It was happening the first week I played this game years ago and every week since. How people fly isn't a big deal to me.
I see AH like playing poker with the guys on Friday night. Yes, I am trying to win but thats not really the important part. I play because its fun and a good chance to unwind and enjoy a couple cold beers. If Joe brings his neighbor and the guy is an ass, everyone loses. AH would be better if folk's tried to avoid being Joe's neighbor at the table.
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That sounds like heaven!
Until someone comes in and kills the guys who are turning with extreme ease, and than the said turnfighters come in here and cry (which is why this thread was created). Yet, they somehow fail to recognize that if their style was as good as they say it is, they wouldn't have died so easily. Irony.
Further, turnfighting exists for a specific purpose in ACM. Over-using it is just as bad as over-using your flaps or any other air combat mechanic, and it has real consequences (such as being easy prey for energy fighters).
Yet again, what is the problem with this? You keep trying to assert your position that the majority likes to play a certain way without addressing the fact that if they like to play that way, they should find ways to make their playstyle work (instead of complaining how other people play). If your style of playing is so fragile that it can't stand up to someone else's well-executed playstyle, then your playstyle should be revised, not theirs.
If it sounds like heaven then why aren't you still playing at Warbirds or FA where there are only a few guys BnZin each left?
Again, your point of view is the only one that matters. Latrobe who has been here for years couldn't possibly know what he is talking about, nor could Junky. Who are these clowns? So obviously the OP couldn't know what he's talking about as you can't find him on the score page.
I believe you have completely missed the point of the posts. What was posted, that in this big old sand box it no longer lends it self to turning and burn/knife fights like we had years ago, and that were for the most part the norm. We, well I'm not complaining, just stating a fact.
A few years ago it was hordes. Those have been easing up but I think that is more due to the general numbers being lower. The "new thing" is these guys who think being at the top of the score board is cool. What ever, this too shall pass. The point is that while everyone says "the game hasn't changed!" explain why we can't hit 300 players on a good night any more instead of the 1000 players we were poking at a few years ago? Something has changed.
Good old knock down drag out fights are pretty much history in this game where it use to be an all night affair. We use to log back in the next day only to find half the guys we were flying with the night before were still at it .... and only a little bit more drunk. Not any more. You log off for some dinner and when you come back it's whole new crew. There is a lot less combat in this game which is sad as it is suppose to be a combat game.
Sitting up on your perch, diving down and picking guy after guy isn't fighting, it's picking. It takes little skill and a half decent aim. Taking bases with 30-40 players isn't fighting, it takes very little skill and just a wiliness to die a lot. I'm not telling anyone how to play the game, and never have, I'm just pointing out how much of the game they are missing. It's like playing poker where all the cards are dealt face-up on the board. No skill, no challenge.
The OP has some points, whether you agree with them or not doesn't really matter. He felt he needed to get it off his chest. He remembers the game a bit differently, as many do....or so it seems. The point is the game has to change. Many see it it on the edge of extinction, not only here, but you hear it in the game as well. Numbers continue to drop. New players are chased away by loudmouths on 200 or on their own country channel and yes even directly on private channels. Something has got to be done, if not what we have WILL continue in the slide it IS in. If everything was "OK" the numbers wouldn't be dropping, they would at least stay stable.
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Hot air
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If I am fighting someone because I hate them, why would I bother doing anything else than killing them as quickly as possible? If I hate them, I want them shot down. They aren't worth spending any additional time on. It's not that hard of a concept; it's completely intuitive.
What's not intuitive is your concept of trying to make a challenge where there's not one. If my opponent does not offer me a challenge, that's not my fault, nor am I going to try to make the fight challenging. I'm there to beat him, not have fun with him. If he's not a challenge, it only means he's a poor opponent. My goal is to beat him as quickly as possible according to the rules that are in place at the time of the fight.
The term is figurative, not literal. I'm surprised that you didn't get that.....
So, everyone else being lesser than you...what do you have to prove? What is your purpose in playing?
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So what you are saying is that you are a narcissistic sadist, got it! Anything else you would like to add?
Had to correct it, he doesn't like hurting himself. The rest is dead on...
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This same argument happened in the FA forums. Involving the same antagonist.....he is totally unchanged after all these years. His opinion won't change, and most people will get bored flying his style. If they don't, they'll eventually leave, because the rest of us are "too easy".
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If it sounds like heaven then why aren't you still playing at Warbirds or FA where there are only a few guys BnZin each left?
Again, your point of view is the only one that matters. Latrobe who has been here for years couldn't possibly know what he is talking about, nor could Junky. Who are these clowns? So obviously the OP couldn't know what he's talking about as you can't find him on the score page.
I believe you have completely missed the point of the posts. What was posted, that in this big old sand box it no longer lends it self to turning and burn/knife fights like we had years ago, and that were for the most part the norm. We, well I'm not complaining, just stating a fact.
A few years ago it was hordes. Those have been easing up but I think that is more due to the general numbers being lower. The "new thing" is these guys who think being at the top of the score board is cool. What ever, this too shall pass. The point is that while everyone says "the game hasn't changed!" explain why we can't hit 300 players on a good night any more instead of the 1000 players we were poking at a few years ago? Something has changed.
Good old knock down drag out fights are pretty much history in this game where it use to be an all night affair. We use to log back in the next day only to find half the guys we were flying with the night before were still at it .... and only a little bit more drunk. Not any more. You log off for some dinner and when you come back it's whole new crew. There is a lot less combat in this game which is sad as it is suppose to be a combat game.
Sitting up on your perch, diving down and picking guy after guy isn't fighting, it's picking. It takes little skill and a half decent aim. Taking bases with 30-40 players isn't fighting, it takes very little skill and just a wiliness to die a lot. I'm not telling anyone how to play the game, and never have, I'm just pointing out how much of the game they are missing. It's like playing poker where all the cards are dealt face-up on the board. No skill, no challenge.
The OP has some points, whether you agree with them or not doesn't really matter. He felt he needed to get it off his chest. He remembers the game a bit differently, as many do....or so it seems. The point is the game has to change. Many see it it on the edge of extinction, not only here, but you hear it in the game as well. Numbers continue to drop. New players are chased away by loudmouths on 200 or on their own country channel and yes even directly on private channels. Something has got to be done, if not what we have WILL continue in the slide it IS in. If everything was "OK" the numbers wouldn't be dropping, they would at least stay stable.
You seem to correlate a energy fighting flight style with a lack of skill. I need not remind you our last several encounters where you attacked me from a disadvantage, one time even 1v3 on the deck. How did that end again? ;)
The point here is that energy fighting is not a lack of skill, rather it readily makes apparent the deficiencies in other pilots' lack of skills. You, on the other hand, seem to make some sort of Freudian connection with gameplay tactics vs. overall player satisfaction in a world-wide sense.
My opinion isn't the only one that matters, but I can also count on one hand the number of players I've encountered in the 12 months I've been here that actually understand air combat tactics outside of Aces High (I'm sure there's more that are here, but the low number I've seen is indicative of a general lack of awareness overall). When the average player here is too busy whining and posting about a front-quarter shot, that speaks volumes to the experience said player has in the genre of WWII air combat games. Go to any other sim and see what tactics are in use. You'll find, to a "T", the majority of experienced players will use the tactics I outlined above. That is where my opinion comes from, and it is readily validated by ACM and the genre as a whole.
"Sitting up on your perch and picking someone," to quote you, is killing them. You decry gaming tactics, yet you fail to realize your entire classification of the term "pick" is purely a gaming aspect. In air combat, it doesn't matter where you were shot or what tactic your opponent used - you were simply shot down. The same applies here - being shot down is being shot down. Any other attempt to call it anything else is this: an excuse to validate your playstyle.
"Good old knock down, drag out fights" - this is a term for two pilots who are screwing up, each trying to screw up less than the other. You highlight this as if it's the epitome of air combat, when in reality it's the very thing that ACM was invented to prevent. The goal of offensive ACM is to shoot down your opponent as quickly as possible. If you cannot shoot down your opponent as quickly as possible, then you're doing something wrong when it comes to ACM. And that's fine, you might enjoy that; however, to decry others who don't do things wrong is, yet again, an excuse.
I'd be more than happy to take you to the DA and show you first hand that it wouldn't matter if I had alt on you or not - the fights would proceed the same way. This is because energy fighting doesn't require altitude, and it can handle turnfighting 1v1 just fine. If you were interested in learning the truth, you'd accept; however, I doubt you will (and I doubt most would) because it's easier to believe in a romantic notion of what works than in your actual performance. Just ask Lazer.
I've played several flight sims, and all of them go the same way. This one is no different.
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This same argument happened in the FA forums. Involving the same antagonist.....he is totally unchanged after all these years.
And what was my dueling record in FA? 382 - 6. Somewhere along the way, you'd think people would realize that there's some truth to what's being said. Either way, I'm content to simply continue with shooting you down (great fights the other night ;)).
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Do any of you guys remember this old AH trailer? Think it was on the History Channel or something.....its from "Back in the day" :aok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emF-m9qnF5o
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Do any of you guys remember this old AH trailer? Think it was on the History Channel or something.....its from "Back in the day" :aok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emF-m9qnF5o
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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If I am fighting someone because I hate them, why would I bother doing anything else than killing them as quickly as possible? If I hate them, I want them shot down. They aren't worth spending any additional time on. It's not that hard of a concept; it's completely intuitive.
This says a lot, Skyyr.
I actually *like* people by default, and *hope* they enjoy fighting me.
I don't want to try to psychoanalyze you, but military thinking shouldn't translate to real life, unless you're in an actual war.
Simon
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This says a lot, Skyyr.
I actually *like* people by default, and *hope* they enjoy fighting me.
I don't want to try to psychoanalyze you, but military thinking shouldn't translate to real life, unless you're in an actual war.
Simon
I didn't say I hated them, Copprhed did. He used the example that he "hated" someone. I simply pointed out that, if he indeed hated someone, why would you do anything other than kill them as quickly as possible?
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If I am fighting someone because I hate them (to quote you and your words, in your example), why would I bother doing anything else than killing them as quickly as possible? If I hate them, I want them shot down. They aren't worth spending any additional time on. It's not that hard of a concept; it's completely intuitive.
What's not intuitive is your concept of trying to make a challenge where there's not one. If my opponent does not offer me a challenge, that's not my fault, nor am I going to try to make the fight challenging. I'm there to beat him, not have fun with him. If he's not a challenge, it only means he's a poor opponent. My goal is to beat him as quickly as possible according to the rules that are in place at the time of the fight.
Dude, What is wrong with you? You should ask your doctor for zoloft or prozac
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Dude, What is wrong with you? You should ask your doctor for zoloft or prozac
I wasn't the one that said it - you may want to re-read. Perhaps you should prescribe that to Copprhed.
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Yes, and by your own definition you fly in a hateful way.
For most in this game, and much like life, it's not where you end up, but how you got there.
Your attitude is great for the military, or perhaps professional sports, but not in a video game IMO.
Simon
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Yes, and by your own definition you fly in a hateful way.
Not true. Shooting someone down efficiently is not mutually exclusive to hating them. I might shoot someone down as quickly as possible because there's another enemy 6k out heading my way. Just because I shot them down using the same methodology doesn't mean I "hate" them at all.
Your attitude is great for the military
Yeah, it served me well there.
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Not true. Shooting someone down efficiently is not mutually exclusive to hating them. I might shoot someone down as quickly as possible because there's another enemy 6k out heading my way. Just because I shot them down using the same methodology doesn't mean I "hate" them at all.
Yeah, it served me well there.
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Skyyr, I think you're missing my point.
You conduct yourself in the exact same way as if you despise everyone that's "red". Whether you actually do or not isn't relevant, because it affects others the same way.
Try not to forget that one day you're going to need to adjust to becoming a civi again... lol.
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Try not to forget that one day you're going to need to adjust to becoming a civi again... lol.
lol - well played.
I think you highlighted a good point, however.
You conduct yourself in the exact same way as if you despise everyone that's "red". Whether you actually do or not isn't relevant, because it affects others the same way.
This is entirely true with what I've observed... and the foundation for most of the hypocrisy we've encountered. People are somehow inevitably "insulted" when we e-fight them, rope them, shoot them in front-quarter, etc., just as you pointed out. For us, we're simply killing them in the way that's most efficient, because that's what fun to us. People then get offended and write tirades and criticisms about how we fly... and then accuse us of needing some sort of psychological help (see the last 10 replies to this thread as evidence). We then point out, objectively, that they're dead and we are not. And thus starts the whining that is present in this very thread. Who then, is the actual aggressor? Certainly not us, nor energy fighters in general.
We don't require that people adapt to our flight style, nor are we offended when we get shot down. Sure, we might tease or poke fun, but we readily accept we got ourselves shot down.
Yet again, this is the hypocrisy that's so prevalent in this game.... as seen from post #1. Everyone wants people to fly their way, with no accountability to the fact they're responsible for their own outcomes.
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This is entirely true with what I've observed... and the foundation for most of the hypocrisy we've encountered. People are somehow inevitably "insulted" when we e-fight them, rope them, shoot them in front-quarter, etc., just as you pointed out. For us, we're simply killing them in the way that's most efficient, because that's what fun to us. People then get offended and write tirades and criticisms about how we fly... and then accuse us of needing some sort of psychological help (see the last 10 replies to this thread as evidence). We then point out, objectively, that they're dead and we are not. And thus starts the whining that is present in this very thread. Who then, is the actual aggressor? Certainly not us, nor energy fighters in general.
We don't require that people adapt to our flight style, nor are we offended when we get shot down. Sure, we might tease or poke fun, but we readily accept we got ourselves shot down.
Yet again, this is the hypocrisy that's so prevalent in this game.... as seen from post #1. Everyone wants people to fly their way, with no accountability to the fact they're responsible for their own outcomes.
Nope, it's just because you're a dick.
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lol - well played.
I think you highlighted a good point, however.
This is entirely true with what I've observed... and the foundation for most of the hypocrisy we've encountered. People are somehow inevitably "insulted" when we e-fight them, rope them, shoot them in front-quarter, etc., just as you pointed out. For us, we're simply killing them in the way that's most efficient, because that's what fun to us. People then get offended and write tirades and criticisms about how we fly... and then accuse us of needing some sort of psychological help (see the last 10 replies to this thread as evidence). We then point out, objectively, that they're dead and we are not. And thus starts the whining that is present in this very thread. Who then, is the actual aggressor? Certainly not us, nor energy fighters in general.
We don't require that people adapt to our flight style, nor are we offended when we get shot down. Sure, we might tease or poke fun, but we readily accept we got ourselves shot down.
Yet again, this is the hypocrisy that's so prevalent in this game.... as seen from post #1. Everyone wants people to fly their way, with no accountability to the fact they're responsible for their own outcomes.
You've just boiled it down to the fact that you like to play your way, not matter how if affects others.
When you fly for "outcome", you are in direct conflict with the people that fly for everything leading up to the outcome. Since your play affects them, but not vice-versa, the implication is that it is you who should change. To refuse to adapt seems unreasonable to me, whether you think your system is better, or objective more valid, or not.
I fully respect your $14.95 and entitlement to play this game however you'd like. However I hope you understand that when you impact other people's enjoyment in order to reach your personal objectives, you are doing a disservice to the game and should expect criticism.
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I think Skyyr thinks people don't like him because of his flying style, which truth be told, his flying style is no different than many other players. He's getting flak mostly because his game play is pretty pathetic. Using a 2nd account to log into another side just to track certain players using the .wingman command than then to monitor what is being said about him. That's just sad.
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You've just boiled it down to the fact that you like to play your way, not matter how if affects others.
When you fly for "outcome", you are in direct conflict with the people that fly for everything leading up to the outcome. Since your play affects them, but not vice-versa, the implication is that it is you who should change. To refuse to adapt seems unreasonable to me, whether you think your system is better, or objective more valid, or not.
How'bout just try a no-HO thing for a week? See how that goes? Then up a P40 to see if you can have fun.
I fully respect your $14.95 and entitlement to play this game however you'd like. However I hope you understand that when you impact other people's enjoyment in order to reach your personal objectives, you are doing a disservice to the game and should expect criticism.
We don't ask people to play our way, therefore they shouldn't expect us to play their way.
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I think Skyyr thinks people don't like him because of his flying style, which truth be told, his flying style is no different than many other players. He's getting flak mostly because his game play is pretty pathetic. Using a 2nd account to log into another side just to track certain players using the .wingman command than then to monitor what is being said about him. That's just sad.
Sort of person who brags about shooting down 12 members of a widely publicised "Guns Cold" memorial flight.
Then claims that the main attraction of AH is ACM godliness, when it's actually a brilliant place to make friends with a common interest and wildly divergent backgrounds.
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We don't ask people to play our way, therefore they shouldn't expect us to play their way.
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Again, your way has a negative impact on others.
It does not work the other way around, unless you get bored because it's too easy lol.
The obligation is therefore yours to adjust, IMO.
Anyway, good talk. We'll do this again sometime soon! <S>
Simon
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You seem to correlate a energy fighting flight style with a lack of skill. I need not remind you our last several encounters where you attacked me from a disadvantage, one time even 1v3 on the deck. How did that end again? ;)
Ahh yes you are the god of gods when it comes to "killing" Please bring up the time you picked me while I fought others, and the times that I have Picked you out of the crowd, and of course the times where I throw away all me "E" just to get in there and mix it up. AGAIN you miss the point.
The point here is that energy fighting is not a lack of skill, rather it readily makes apparent the deficiencies in other pilots' lack of skills. You, on the other hand, seem to make some sort of Freudian connection with gameplay tactics vs. overall player satisfaction in a world-wide sense.
wrong AGAIN. the POINT is that there are a number of styles of play and thos that you are decrying enjoy another style which is no longer prevalent in game play.
My opinion isn't the only one that matters, but I can also count on one hand the number of players I've encountered in the 12 months I've been here that actually understand air combat tactics outside of Aces High (I'm sure there's more that are here, but the low number I've seen is indicative of a general lack of awareness overall). When the average player here is too busy whining and posting about a front-quarter shot, that speaks volumes to the experience said player has in the genre of WWII air combat games. Go to any other sim and see what tactics are in use. You'll find, to a "T", the majority of experienced players will use the tactics I outlined above. That is where my opinion comes from, and it is readily validated by ACM and the genre as a whole.
"Sitting up on your perch and picking someone," to quote you, is killing them. You decry gaming tactics, yet you fail to realize your entire classification of the term "pick" is purely a gaming aspect. In air combat, it doesn't matter where you were shot or what tactic your opponent used - you were simply shot down. The same applies here - being shot down is being shot down. Any other attempt to call it anything else is this: an excuse to validate your playstyle.
"Good old knock down, drag out fights" - this is a term for two pilots who are screwing up, each trying to screw up less than the other. You highlight this as if it's the epitome of air combat, when in reality it's the very thing that ACM was invented to prevent. The goal of offensive ACM is to shoot down your opponent as quickly as possible. If you cannot shoot down your opponent as quickly as possible, then you're doing something wrong when it comes to ACM. And that's fine, you might enjoy that; however, to decry others who don't do things wrong is, yet again, an excuse.
Wrong again, while "real life" tactics work in this GAME most people couldn't care less about them. If we died for real then you can bet your backside that I would fly much more in the "style" you believe is the only way to fly. However as nobody really dies whats the point. Myself and many other are far more interested in pushing the "make believe" airplanes PAST there limits and out maneuver/out fly/out fight our opponents. How many time we get shot down doesn't matter, and the the kill is only a flag to say who won the fight. If you pick me/us and shoot me/us down ( oh and the odds are pretty good you'll have to pick at me/us a few times before you shoot me/us down) you didn't out maneuver/out fly/out fight me/us you just picked us.
I'd be more than happy to take you to the DA and show you first hand that it wouldn't matter if I had alt on you or not - the fights would proceed the same way. This is because energy fighting doesn't require altitude, and it can handle turnfighting 1v1 just fine. If you were interested in learning the truth, you'd accept; however, I doubt you will (and I doubt most would) because it's easier to believe in a romantic notion of what works than in your actual performance. Just ask Lazer.
Lazer, the guy who flies with a mouse? :rofl
I've played several flight sims, and all of them go the same way. This one is no different.
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Well maybe your the problem then. Lets see HTC WAS doing better a year ago :devil
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See Rule #2
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It's like playing poker where all the cards are dealt face-up on the board.
Uh-oh. :O Looks like I'm going to have to run out and buy a poker board before the guys show up. :bhead
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See Rule #2
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See Rule #2
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Years ago we had Zazen in his 190 same tactics similar strum on the guitar we poked at him and his camp without a death but we never let him affect us or our style of having fun gameplay. Rather than asking him to fly a p40 for a tour why don't you guys work on ignoring him for a tour.
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IGNORE him
Here's the best part: Skyyr says that he wins by shooting you down, but the fact is it's actually very EASY to beat him. All you have to do is ignore him, and he loses.
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Lighten up and have fun will you guys that's the best advertisement HTC can get on the dollar, that's what new guys want to see, and throw in some ww2 plane history,
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Years ago we had Zazen in his 190 same tactics similar strum on the guitar we poked at him and his camp without a death but we never let him affect us or our style of having fun gameplay. Rather than asking him to fly a p40 for a tour why don't you guys work on ignoring him for a tour.
I think you're thinking of Yenny...Zazen buzzed around in a Typh/Tempest usually and never really pretended to be a great fighter.
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I think you're thinking of Yenny...Zazen buzzed around in a Typh/Tempest usually and never really pretended to be a great fighter.
Back in the AW FR days, Zazen I think did well here but not the 190 menace from AW, if I remember right he didn't care for the AH 190, tried a 51 then ended up as you say Typh/Tempest
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Ah could be, I don't remember him from AW FR. But then by the time I transferred from Mac to PC, AW was pretty well split up between AOL, Gamestorm, and a bunch of different arenas.
Your real point stands though. This is nothing someone hasn't done before. Cryyr is just the flavor of the week entertainment.
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Lighten up and have fun will you guys that's the best advertisement HTC can get on the dollar, that's what new guys want to see, and throw in some ww2 plane history,
This guy gets it. This game is so currently devoid of actual competition and objectivity... and yet no one understands why gamers don't want to come to it.
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Winner
Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
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I’ll try and keep my time on the soapbox brief.
I think we’ve become a niche market within a niche market (Aces High, that is) We’re the stickshift character sports car in a world of bland SUV’s. The decrease in numbers has exaggerated the runners, pickers and ack huggers. They are all fixated on score so they will stay because they benefit from decreased numbers. If score was eliminated or annualised or made cumulative, that would reward long term effort. I think score is meaningless, but some dig it.
The learning curve is also very steep and time is precious. That’s why model planes went out of favour and jigsaw puzzles faded. It’s rare to find the time to perfect a craft. Same deal.
Skyyr
• Crew like Skyrock and Changeup say the most insulting things. But they do it with wit and lack of malice. Therefore it’s funny. You have as much wit as a full colostomy bag. They contribute. You decrease the game’s dynamics.
• I think the reason you don’t like turn fighting is because you’ll never be good at it. Your style isn’t creative enough. Your ego isn’t flexible enough to allow defeat. You’re too formulaic to be effective. A “one trick pony” who doesn’t fly a Pony.
• Don’t keep inviting people (especially me) to the DA. I can’t speak for others but to me the DA is like a round of golf against someone you’ve never met. You play and at the end share a drink and a laugh and you’ve made a friend. You post to YouTube and quote statistics. I don’t think you get it. I’ll never DA you for that reason alone.
• Anyone and everyone chucks a <S> to übersticks like Bruv and Snailman. They have a talent mixed with just the right level of modesty. They contribute. You decrease the game’s dynamics.
Doesn’t it say something that no-one except your minions ever support you? I have yet to encounter anyone with any regard for you apart from ability. Even your minions (when they’re on shade duty with us) apologise for you. You’re very strange to me.
I think you’ll self-destruct given time which is a pity. I know that if I know you’re around I have to keep one eye back and up. Adds to the game. Co-alt, co-e you’re a non event, you either run or die quickly. Anyway congratulations on your BnZ ability – very impressive. The rest of the skillset needs work.
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This guy gets it. This game is so currently devoid of actual competition and objectivity... and yet no one understands why gamers don't want to come to it.
If you really believed that you wouldn't make it all sound like work, yuck, in every post, I like to win as much as the next guy I compete roughly 10 hours a day. But if I sat down at the bar next to a guy like you, I'd move
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:lol
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I’ll try and keep my time on the soapbox brief.
I think we’ve become a niche market within a niche market (Aces High, that is) We’re the stickshift character sports car in a world of bland SUV’s. The decrease in numbers has exaggerated the runners, pickers and ack huggers. They are all fixated on score so they will stay because they benefit from decreased numbers. If score was eliminated or annualised or made cumulative, that would reward long term effort. I think score is meaningless, but some dig it.
The learning curve is also very steep and time is precious. That’s why model planes went out of favour and jigsaw puzzles faded. It’s rare to find the time to perfect a craft. Same deal.
Skyyr
• Crew like Skyrock and Changeup say the most insulting things. But they do it with wit and lack of malice. Therefore it’s funny. You have as much wit as a full colostomy bag. They contribute. You decrease the game’s dynamics.
• I think the reason you don’t like turn fighting is because you’ll never be good at it. Your style isn’t creative enough. Your ego isn’t flexible enough to allow defeat. You’re too formulaic to be effective. A “one trick pony” who doesn’t fly a Pony.
• Don’t keep inviting people (especially me) to the DA. I can’t speak for others but to me the DA is like a round of golf against someone you’ve never met. You play and at the end share a drink and a laugh and you’ve made a friend. You post to YouTube and quote statistics. I don’t think you get it. I’ll never DA you for that reason alone.
• Anyone and everyone chucks a <S> to übersticks like Bruv and Snailman. They have a talent mixed with just the right level of modesty. They contribute. You decrease the game’s dynamics.
Doesn’t it say something that no-one except your minions ever support you? I have yet to encounter anyone with any regard for you apart from ability. Even your minions (when they’re on shade duty with us) apologise for you. You’re very strange to me.
I think you’ll self-destruct given time which is a pity. I know that if I know you’re around I have to keep one eye back and up. Adds to the game. Co-alt, co-e you’re a non event, you either run or die quickly. Anyway congratulations on your BnZ ability – very impressive. The rest of the skillset needs work.
Wow, your entire post echoes exactly what I was thinking.
A huge +1
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I’ll try and keep my time on the soapbox brief.
I think we’ve become a niche market within a niche market (Aces High, that is) We’re the stickshift character sports car in a world of bland SUV’s. The decrease in numbers has exaggerated the runners, pickers and ack huggers. They are all fixated on score so they will stay because they benefit from decreased numbers. If score was eliminated or annualised or made cumulative, that would reward long term effort. I think score is meaningless, but some dig it.
The learning curve is also very steep and time is precious. That’s why model planes went out of favour and jigsaw puzzles faded. It’s rare to find the time to perfect a craft. Same deal.
Skyyr
• Crew like Skyrock and Changeup say the most insulting things. But they do it with wit and lack of malice. Therefore it’s funny. You have as much wit as a full colostomy bag. They contribute. You decrease the game’s dynamics.
• I think the reason you don’t like turn fighting is because you’ll never be good at it. Your style isn’t creative enough. Your ego isn’t flexible enough to allow defeat. You’re too formulaic to be effective. A “one trick pony” who doesn’t fly a Pony.
• Don’t keep inviting people (especially me) to the DA. I can’t speak for others but to me the DA is like a round of golf against someone you’ve never met. You play and at the end share a drink and a laugh and you’ve made a friend. You post to YouTube and quote statistics. I don’t think you get it. I’ll never DA you for that reason alone.
• Anyone and everyone chucks a <S> to übersticks like Bruv and Snailman. They have a talent mixed with just the right level of modesty. They contribute. You decrease the game’s dynamics.
Doesn’t it say something that no-one except your minions ever support you? I have yet to encounter anyone with any regard for you apart from ability. Even your minions (when they’re on shade duty with us) apologise for you. You’re very strange to me.
I think you’ll self-destruct given time which is a pity. I know that if I know you’re around I have to keep one eye back and up. Adds to the game. Co-alt, co-e you’re a non event, you either run or die quickly. Anyway congratulations on your BnZ ability – very impressive. The rest of the skillset needs work.
This.
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I’ll try and keep my time on the soapbox brief.
I think we’ve become a niche market within a niche market (Aces High, that is) We’re the stickshift character sports car in a world of bland SUV’s. The decrease in numbers has exaggerated the runners, pickers and ack huggers. They are all fixated on score so they will stay because they benefit from decreased numbers. If score was eliminated or annualised or made cumulative, that would reward long term effort. I think score is meaningless, but some dig it.
The learning curve is also very steep and time is precious. That’s why model planes went out of favour and jigsaw puzzles faded. It’s rare to find the time to perfect a craft. Same deal.
Skyyr
• Crew like Skyrock and Changeup say the most insulting things. But they do it with wit and lack of malice. Therefore it’s funny. You have as much wit as a full colostomy bag. They contribute. You decrease the game’s dynamics.
• I think the reason you don’t like turn fighting is because you’ll never be good at it. Your style isn’t creative enough. Your ego isn’t flexible enough to allow defeat. You’re too formulaic to be effective. A “one trick pony” who doesn’t fly a Pony.
• Don’t keep inviting people (especially me) to the DA. I can’t speak for others but to me the DA is like a round of golf against someone you’ve never met. You play and at the end share a drink and a laugh and you’ve made a friend. You post to YouTube and quote statistics. I don’t think you get it. I’ll never DA you for that reason alone.
• Anyone and everyone chucks a <S> to übersticks like Bruv and Snailman. They have a talent mixed with just the right level of modesty. They contribute. You decrease the game’s dynamics.
Doesn’t it say something that no-one except your minions ever support you? I have yet to encounter anyone with any regard for you apart from ability. Even your minions (when they’re on shade duty with us) apologise for you. You’re very strange to me.
I think you’ll self-destruct given time which is a pity. I know that if I know you’re around I have to keep one eye back and up. Adds to the game. Co-alt, co-e you’re a non event, you either run or die quickly. Anyway congratulations on your BnZ ability – very impressive. The rest of the skillset needs work.
:lol :aok
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If you really believed that you wouldn't make it all sound like work, yuck, in every post, I like to win as much as the next guy I compete roughly 10 hours a day. But if I sat down at the bar next to a guy like you, I'd move
:rofl
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If you really believed that you wouldn't make it all sound like work, yuck, in every post, I like to win as much as the next guy I compete roughly 10 hours a day. But if I sat down at the bar next to a guy like you, I'd move
Lies...you'd rock that left ear hole with an overhand right. You can bet I damn sure would.
(Needed to prove ThreeUp right, lol)
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Threeup does have a way with words :)
Firstly, its funny this topic has come up because as of last night I have decided I will NEVER fly alone in the MA again. I will ONLY fly on squad nights. Earlier posts are correct, most will not fight 1 v 1 anymore, they will run to ack or bash you in a pack. I spent a good 45 mins last night flying a sector and a half, to the only fight on the map. Once there its 3 or 4 vs me and yep .. first guy goes the HO and even though I try to evade I am hit, lost an engine or pilot wound. Three times in a row .. I fly for fun and this is getting old. So essentially wasted 45 mins because there was no fun to be had, no salutes after a good fight.
Second point .. I recently decided to fly Mid War so I am not harassed by 500mph ponies or LA7's, D9's etc trying to shoot me in the face. Hope to see more in there :)
There are still a few of the good guys around who will give you a good fight on equal terms and a salute at the end whether they live or die. But sadly this breed has dwindled to numbers you could count on one hand.
Peace
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Wow, your entire post echoes exactly what I was thinking.
A huge +1
Another chicken dinner. :aok
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This guy gets it. This game is so currently devoid of actual competition and objectivity... and yet no one understands why gamers don't want to come to it.
I've only heard really three reasons for people leaving the game, R/L got in the way is one, tired of gameplay(Pickers, HOers, Gangers), and graphics being a bit outdated/their computer can't handle the graphics.
Never heard anyone say, "the game was too easy, I had no competition there, those guys don't know how to fly"
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I didn't say that at all. I said, simply, that in a game where points are awarded for beating another player, my goal is simply to beat him.
Anything else you'd like to add that I didn't say?
Sounds like you have a case of severe small joystick to me. :aok
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I’ll try and keep my time on the soapbox brief.
I think we’ve become a niche market within a niche market (Aces High, that is) We’re the stickshift character sports car in a world of bland SUV’s. The decrease in numbers has exaggerated the runners, pickers and ack huggers. They are all fixated on score so they will stay because they benefit from decreased numbers. If score was eliminated or annualised or made cumulative, that would reward long term effort. I think score is meaningless, but some dig it.
The learning curve is also very steep and time is precious. That’s why model planes went out of favour and jigsaw puzzles faded. It’s rare to find the time to perfect a craft. Same deal.
Skyyr
• Crew like Skyrock and Changeup say the most insulting things. But they do it with wit and lack of malice. Therefore it’s funny. You have as much wit as a full colostomy bag. They contribute. You decrease the game’s dynamics.
• I think the reason you don’t like turn fighting is because you’ll never be good at it. Your style isn’t creative enough. Your ego isn’t flexible enough to allow defeat. You’re too formulaic to be effective. A “one trick pony” who doesn’t fly a Pony.
• Don’t keep inviting people (especially me) to the DA. I can’t speak for others but to me the DA is like a round of golf against someone you’ve never met. You play and at the end share a drink and a laugh and you’ve made a friend. You post to YouTube and quote statistics. I don’t think you get it. I’ll never DA you for that reason alone.
• Anyone and everyone chucks a <S> to übersticks like Bruv and Snailman. They have a talent mixed with just the right level of modesty. They contribute. You decrease the game’s dynamics.
Doesn’t it say something that no-one except your minions ever support you? I have yet to encounter anyone with any regard for you apart from ability. Even your minions (when they’re on shade duty with us) apologise for you. You’re very strange to me.
I think you’ll self-destruct given time which is a pity. I know that if I know you’re around I have to keep one eye back and up. Adds to the game. Co-alt, co-e you’re a non event, you either run or die quickly. Anyway congratulations on your BnZ ability – very impressive. The rest of the skillset needs work.
Slow clap.
A one trick pony that doesn't fly a pony - it's a shame that can't be stickied someplace.
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I didn't say that at all. I said, simply, that in a game where points are awarded for beating another player, my goal is simply to beat him.
Anything else you'd like to add that I didn't say?
Always you. always
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I've only heard really three reasons for people leaving the game, R/L got in the way is one, tired of gameplay(Pickers, HOers, Gangers), and graphics being a bit outdated/their computer can't handle the graphics.
Never heard anyone say, "the game was too easy, I had no competition there, those guys don't know how to fly"
You are confusing players leaving with what Skyyr was talking about (new players).
Hitech said it himself. Keeping old players is not a priority in this design. It is about a constant flow of new players, which we have very few of right now. And it's not just for one reason, but many of them, some more important than others. Look at any modern game that is successful today. Go on their forums and say you are better then all of them. They won't shame you for not being 'honorable' and making everyone hold hands, instead they will fight back or say "prove it". This game is unique in that for the most part the community doesn't care about skill level, but rather the attitude of the player. Which is all fine and dandy, but competition is the way of the future. Times have changed over the past 20 years. That is why I personally think that the downfall of this game will be more because of the 'old timers' forcing their mindset on new players, then gameplay reasons such as graphics or the 12 hr rule.
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I beat one in a turn fight with a D-25 a couple of weeks ago, it was hilarious.
Nah, wasn't all that funny on my end. :D
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The only change is in your memory. The game was exactly the same way a couple of years ago and was the same way a couple of years before that. It is a natural human tendency to preserve happy memories and let unhappy ones fade; that's the reason for nostalgia and for grumpy old farts complaining about how nothing is like it used to be. Nothing, including this game, has ever been "like it used to be". 200 has always been a sewer, Runstangs have always boomed and run, pickers have always picked, horders have always horded, Luftwhiners have always whined. It was like that in Air Warrior in 1996 when I started playing MMO flight combat sims and it's still like that here in 2015.
Search these forums and you'll find identical, not similar but identical, complaints ten years ago. If the game lasts until 2020, I guarantee you will see forum posts lamenting how much it's changed since the glory days of 2015 when everyone in the MA was polite and respectful and lived for the thrill of the FIGHT. The good old days are right now.
And if the game doesn't last until 2020, it won't be because new players have come in and ruined it, it will be because new players haven't come in at all. The "X-Bawx Generation" aren't here, they're playing X-Box games or World of _____. The average age of players here is higher than its ever been and still climbing.
Yes, there are problems with game play and attitude here. Always have been, always will be. Coming here and whining about it is not being part of the solution. What is the solution?
(1) Find a bunch of guys you like to fly with and enjoy flying with them.
(2) Stop caring what other people do, say, or think.
(3) Lead by example.
Pretty much the same as in any other area of life.
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Das kewl
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I think Skyyr thinks people don't like him because of his flying style, which truth be told, his flying style is no different than many other players. He's getting flak mostly because his game play is pretty pathetic. Using a 2nd account to log into another side just to track certain players using the .wingman command than then to monitor what is being said about him. That's just sad.
Seen this many times from Jon :neener: (Skyyr) If he believed all the BS he spewed he would have no need to do this. He adds nothing to the AH community what so ever. I am really getting temped to post the film of him on Vox saying how he and his buddy get off on running people out of all kinds of games. Even told me that that they almost drove two gamers to the brinks of suicide. cant wait to hear him deny it :D
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Seen this many times from Jon :neener: (Skyyr) If he believed all the BS he spewed he would have no need to do this. He adds nothing to the AH community what so ever. I am really getting temped to post the film of him on Vox saying how he and his buddy get off on running people out of all kinds of games. Even told me that that they almost drove two gamers to the brinks of suicide. cant wait to hear him deny it :D
That happened in Star Wars Galaxies. A guild declared war on our guild, and said they would stop at nothing until we lost. So... we took over their city that they spent 3 years building and, literally, dismantled it. They posted on the forums and threatened the devs with legal lawsuits, attacks, even suicide, if the devs didn't give them back their city. I still have screenshots from the whole ordeal. They never got it back.
We then auctioned off the rights to the city for the ingame equivalent of about $2000, then sold the ingame items online. I still have the Western Union papers from it. ;)
The moral of the story is, if you're going to claim it's an all out war, don't cry when it becomes an all-out war. It's a game, but we're here to play competitively and we take people at face value.
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Seen this many times from Jon :neener: (Skyyr) If he believed all the BS he spewed he would have no need to do this. He adds nothing to the AH community what so ever. I am really getting temped to post the film of him on Vox saying how he and his buddy get off on running people out of all kinds of games. Even told me that that they almost drove two gamers to the brinks of suicide. cant wait to hear him deny it :D
That happened in Star Wars Galaxies. A guild declared war on our guild, and said they would stop at nothing until we lost. So... we took over their city that they spent 3 years building and, literally, dismantled it. They posted on the forums and threatened the devs with legal lawsuits, attacks, even suicide, if the devs didn't give them back their city. I still have screenshots from the whole ordeal. They never got it back.
We then auctioned off the rights to the city for the ingame equivalent of about $2000, then sold the ingame items online. I still have the Western Union papers from it. ;)
The moral of the story is, if you're going to claim it's an all out war, don't cry when it becomes an all-out war. It's a game, treat it as nothing more.
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Words out of your mouth was you and your guys whole purpose is to get people so pissed in a game that they want to quit it. The two guys you said that wanted to commit suicide was just and example of how you thought your tactics of getting people to quit a game was working. Hum maybe we should all listen to it. :O I think you are a little out of your league this time in messing with this community, think you better start flying right as they say. :old:
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So does that mean Skyrr doesn't hate me? :headscratch:
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You are confusing players leaving with what Skyyr was talking about (new players).
Hitech said it himself. Keeping old players is not a priority in this design. It is about a constant flow of new players, which we have very few of right now. And it's not just for one reason, but many of them, some more important than others. Look at any modern game that is successful today. Go on their forums and say you are better then all of them. They won't shame you for not being 'honorable' and making everyone hold hands, instead they will fight back or say "prove it". This game is unique in that for the most part the community doesn't care about skill level, but rather the attitude of the player. Which is all fine and dandy, but competition is the way of the future. Times have changed over the past 20 years. That is why I personally think that the downfall of this game will be more because of the 'old timers' forcing their mindset on new players, then gameplay reasons such as graphics or the 12 hr rule.
There is a difference between being competitive....and being an arrogant little salamander :aok
By the way....the reason we don't have more people coming into the game is because there isn't much advertisement going on (hopefully it picks up with new Graphics), saying that people are looking at the BBS and not joining because of that is just stupid.
Same person who looks at just the BBS is the same guy who says "man I've been on climbout for 5 minutes where's all the bad guys at" This game takes patience unlike other games like COD or StarCraft.
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I think you are a little out of your league this time in messing with this community
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So does that mean Skyrr doesn't hate me? :headscratch:
No. I love crab.
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Lately things haven't been the same way on Aces High. I remember couple years Ago where players had respect for each other and also played the game in a very professional way. There was really not much trash talking and channel 200 was not so whining. These days its almost impossible to get a 1v1 fight in the MA. Also its really really rare that we get a good base to base furball going. Or Even When we do get a furball going the fun polices Comes in and hit the Hangars or Hit HQ. Some players just run away when u get on their 6's. No one wants to fight anymore. If players were to actually commit to a 1v1 dogfight I think they would have 100x more fun than just make a pass and run away. Reason Why I play this game is to 1v1 Dogfight/Stall fight, where i can actually get a good look at the enemy airplane flying beside me and actually flying so close I can even see inside the Enemy Cockpit and perform back to back maneuvers which makes both players brains starts to generate and act quicker and the adrenaline rush that You feel is so much fun. Also before Game plans were much more organized and folks actually "listened" to the mission leader. All I'm saying is that i feel like things are starting to Disintegrate. I Always Fly Knights but I believe this is going on in the entire game where players from Rooks Or Bishops might say the same. :salute
WE NEED MORE 2 WEEKERS ! They made the game fun ! Easy kills for you easy kills for me easy kills for all.
I DEMAND 2 WEEKERS ! I DEMAND THEM NOW !
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Do any of you guys remember this old AH trailer? Think it was on the History Channel or something.....its from "Back in the day"
"The only fear is the pain of love."
Yup. That's us.
- oldman
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I'm thinking there's a difference between FA, Star Wars Galaxy and Aces High that Skyrr just ain't gettin'. Yet. :D
(Think the relationship between the owner/developer and the community. The whole community.)
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The draw of any game is how it challenges you. Too easy and you will soon get bored and leave.
This particular game can be very difficult to master at first. In the early days of AH many were on the same learning curve as we learned together. There were also the influx of new players regularly and they were helped and encouraged to get up to speed. The pilots skills you would encounter varied greatly. Kills were available for all. Remember the 10 kill streaks that were routine in the MA.
Now as the community has shrunk and has shed it's weaker players a noob will be overwhelmed and too frustrated to continue the game. Try putting a little leaguer at bat against the Major League pitchers. We need a farm league to train our future furballers, base takers, Squadies, whatever.
Free to play EWA with a limited plane set. What is your solution to draw more players? What the 12hr rule crowd didn't get is if numbers were up you would not care or have to switch sides. More players would negate many of the whines we have recorded.
Air Warrior used to have a New player arena. once you got a certain number of kills, you could no longer fly there. It would be a great haven for new players to get there feet wet.
Helm ...out
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Stop bashing Skyyr, he enjoys it.
There are quite a few ego maniacs in this game. Most turn out to be nice guys when not talking to them right after they shot/got shot down. I hope for Skyyr's sake that he is one of them because frankly, it looks bad right now.
A one trick pony that doesn't fly a pony - it's a shame that can't be stickied someplace.
That is not so bad. Most ponies I run into don't even have the one trick.
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Most turn out to be nice guys when not talking to them right after they shot/got shot down.
This. ..getting warmer. .not quite, but getting warmer. ..
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I love it!
Figured you would ;)
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do we know who screwbal is? he has some serious mossie moves!
Had some good fights against him last time I played.
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Read it again batfink..no, not seriously...slowly..get it?
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There is a difference between being competitive....and being an arrogant little salamander :aok
By the way....the reason we don't have more people coming into the game is because there isn't much advertisement going on (hopefully it picks up with new Graphics), saying that people are looking at the BBS and not joining because of that is just stupid.
Same person who looks at just the BBS is the same guy who says "man I've been on climbout for 5 minutes where's all the bad guys at" This game takes patience unlike other games like COD or StarCraft.
I never said it was because of people looking at the bbs. You can find it in any chat of AH. You guys keep up with the elitism and soon enough you'll be the only ones left :aok with no one to shoot at or train to be a target
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This has pretty much jumped the rails.