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Special Events Forums => Scenario General => Topic started by: Husky01 on June 28, 2007, 09:15:35 PM
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So whats next? Any top secret information leeked out on what the next scenario will be and when?:) Husky's been the first one we have run in like 8 months or so. Seem the old MA just doesn't give that adrenalin rush of the Scenarios, I believe dantoo called it Post Scenario Blues.:lol
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Oddly enough, expect an announcement soon.
Someone has been busy, and the next event is already in rough draft.
And, if you promise not to say a word to anyone, here's a little hint to wet your appetite.
It's gonna have....now Promise not to tell...........Airplanes!!!!
Ya, I Kid You Not!
Just, shush about it for a week or two, k? I don't want it too leak out
:D
Oh, CMs picked, Allied CO is picked, terrain is confirmed, rules are drafted and under review.
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DUDE AIRPLANES!!! I so know what it is now man! Thanks I wont tell anyone!!!!
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ha ha .....
For now yer stuck with the blues (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixFnMchj0pw)
:noid
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*Slides Roscoroo 2 squirrels and a chipmunk under the table.*
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I should be able to get up some preliminary PR info on ahevents.org about the next scenario this weekend.
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Something with planes in it? Pretty please... :)
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Originally posted by Panzzer
Something with planes in it? Pretty please... :)
Well I didn't see any GV's in the set up :D
There may be some V-2 rockets though .
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You guys are killing me here....
Announce it already! :lol :rofl :aok
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Originally posted by Fencer51
You guys are killing me here....
Announce it already! :lol :rofl :aok
I know its killing me here! I hope ts Pacific based.
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If you must know;
OPERATION REACH AROUND(Krusty's revenge)
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Originally posted by doobs
If you must know;
OPERATION REACH AROUND(Krusty's revenge)
Hmm mabey....Or it could be Operation B29s.
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Originally posted by Brooke
I should be able to get up some preliminary PR info on ahevents.org about the next scenario this weekend.
The suspense is killing me!!!!
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Someone has been busy, and the next event is already in rough draft.
And, if you promise not to say a word to anyone, here's a little hint to wet your appetite.
It's gonna have....now Promise not to tell...........Airplanes!!!!
Ya, I Kid You Not!
Just, shush about it for a week or two, k? I don't want it too leak out
Oh, CMs picked, Allied CO is picked, terrain is confirmed, rules are drafted and under review.
This doesnt seem fair already, the Allied CO is in place, with a running headstart, knows the scenario and can recruit already. But nobody else know's what is coming.
my guess it is fencer, but still not fair to the axis CO whoever it may be.
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Using that logic Doobs, it's not fair for anyone who registers a week after everyone else does. That's just not realistic, it's not like they get to take off a whole frame ahead.
When the Axis CO confirms, he will have access to the rules and will know as much as the other. Non Issue.
Edit: Also, considering the event is running in October, with a full Month of practice scheduled, again it's a Non Issue. Hold comments until the full story is known, when we publish the event please. Don't second guess assumptions.
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and I thought we were renaming Rick's place to Roo's place .
:noid
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Originally posted by ROC
Using that logic Doobs, it's not fair for anyone who registers a week after everyone else does. That's just not realistic, it's not like they get to take off a whole frame ahead.
When the Axis CO confirms, he will have access to the rules and will know as much as the other. Non Issue.
Edit: Also, considering the event is running in October, with a full Month of practice scheduled, again it's a Non Issue. Hold comments until the full story is known, when we publish the event please. Don't second guess assumptions.
Well Roc I understand your view on it as well as doobs. But even if the event isn't running till October with a whole month of practice scheduled its still giving the Allies CO more time then the Axis CO to get prepared and ready for the scenario with stuff like recruiting planing practicing time trials 8 player rooms etc. Now until you announce the next scenario how is anyone gonna sign up to be the Axis CO? This is just giving the Allied CO more of a head start. Weather its 1 week or 1 month, time is of critical to any scenario the more time you have the better. So by giving the Allied CO a advance in knowing the scenario its like your giving the allied a head start.
My 2c
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I will never make the mistake of trying to give you guys a heads up again. Don't ask, when you see a post about an event being announced, it will have the orders, the map, the COs in place. Until then, deal with not knowing a thing.
Are you Kidding me? The Allied co has no advantage, he Drafted the event and the Design Team is now going to make it Playable, which will Include the Axis and Allied CO.
Next post from me regarding this will be a formal announcement. In the meantime, if you wonder what's coming down the pipe, remember this thread, because you won't know until it's Complete and Formal in the future.
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Yeah I am the Allied CO.
Want to get really mad? I am also the designer. :p
Want a great conspiracy? I been thinking about this scenario since LAST OCTOBER. Heck that is when I started the first draft. :noid
Want to get really scared? I was CO in AirWarrior of one not to different and have 8 Frames of experience. :O
[edit] Oh yeah btw, that 8 frames of experience was 13 years ago! Lotta time to plan in there too.
There, now worry about it. Good Grief. :cry
TWO people outside the CMs have seen the design. ME and the guy I asked to be XO. I got ROC's permission to start recruiting some staff. I also got ROC's permission to show my XO the rough draft so he could see what he was getting into. :eek:
No one on the Allied side has started any planning. Heck I sure have not. I have not approached ANYONE who likes Luftwaffe planes. A couple of those people I actually would LOVE to have but I want WHOMEVER is also foolish enough to subject him or herself to the likes of scenario BS some people must always bring forth, to have a great staff. I am not stealing from the pool so to speak. I am TRYING to get people who do not play in scenarios so we can increase the pool. :furious
Goodness knows the gene pool needs increasing in scenarios. :rofl
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Perhaps if it had not even been mentioned that the next one was
in the works with the allied CO picked and the rules in review
this disscusion would not be at this point now.
Maybe in the future the powers that be will keep things under wraps
untill there is an official anouncment, and every one will be happy..
Just my 2 cents.
Middog
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Umm, the powers that be answered a question that was asked, by a player who was picked as Allied CO for an event Before the Axis Co was picked.
Figured he, more than anyone, would get how stupid that advantage sounds.
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How can a guy that designed the scenairo be able to lead one side.
Roc, fencers posts goes against just about everything you said.
If this is true, then I want axis CO
My team is always in place
we don't know what it is
but we shall take anything into play
and make it as fun as possible
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Originally posted by doobs
How can a guy that designed the scenairo be able to lead one side.
Roc, fencers posts goes against just about everything you said.
If this is true, then I want axis CO
My team is always in place
we don't know what it is
but we shall take anything into play
and make it as fun as possible
we've had scenario designers take on a CO position befor . and there was no problem with planning ... as matter of fact that scenario came down to the last plane at the last base in the last frame kind thing.
:noid
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Well knowing how hard it is to get CO
I again accept the CO of the Axis
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Yeah I don't agree with BearKats, Fencer wont have any advantage, I'm sure the Axis C.O will have plenty of time to come up with his own, it's not like the Axis C.O is gonna be like "Man I could have won that scenario if I just had that extra month Fencer did."
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You are forgetting one thing... the vast majority of people fly in scenarios for the fun of it, not for the scoring aspect.
I could care less if one side CO planned, designed, handled all the walk ons, and proof read the log. It is a damn game and unfortunately, we have (from what I can see) diminishing returns as far as the number of people putting in the effort into the scenarios.
All I ask is to be in the aircraft I signed up for, have the sides fairly balanced talent wise, and have a lack of flamefest on the forums. Everything else is gravy...
I do wish some of you would contact Raptor and check out some of the maps he has been working on... really great stuff.
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Originally posted by Delirium
I do wish some of you would contact Raptor and check out some of the maps he has been working on... really great stuff.
We know whats in Raptors bag of maps :D
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OK, folks. I have put up the promo for the next scenario. It is here:
http://ahevents.org/pacific-theatre/current-or-next-scenario-2.html
Rules, dates, etc. will follow as we get them into shape; but this promo material will give everyone a good idea of what's coming up.
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Originally posted by doobs
How can a guy that designed the scenairo be able to lead one side.
Roc, fencers posts goes against just about everything you said.
If this is true, then I want axis CO
My team is always in place
we don't know what it is
but we shall take anything into play
and make it as fun as possible
Oh for heavans sake. :noid
Doobs can't be Axis CO, he has more experience running a scenario in Aces High than I do. It won't be FAIR. He already has a team in place! I don't! He will have a lead on me! :rofl
[edit] Ya know I figured it out. Doobs want to be a CO in the next scenario. So he is stiring the crap to create the impression of unfairness and a "demand" for an instant Axis CO/Team which "is always in place".
Smooth. Way to crap all over the next event for your own needs bud. :huh
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Fencer51,
If you need anyhelp with anything, let me know
Cheers
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The writeup for the next scenario looks good. I will be looking forward to it.
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Finally, a scenario with the 109k, I can't wait!
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Something very similar is running in FSO right now. One question I asked, and I'll ask it here:
Fw190A-8 is hopelessly outclassed by all those allied fighters, ESPECIALLY at alt, so how about ditching it, moving the 190D to its slot, and putting in the Ta152 in the 190D's slot?
It's not like the 152 is a major threat to fighters, but it would actually be able to perform above 15k (unlike the 190a8)
Just a suggestion!
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Originally posted by Krusty
Something very similar is running in FSO right now. One question I asked, and I'll ask it here:
Fw190A-8 is hopelessly outclassed by all those allied fighters, ESPECIALLY at alt, so how about ditching it, moving the 190D to its slot, and putting in the Ta152 in the 190D's slot?
It's not like the 152 is a major threat to fighters, but it would actually be able to perform above 15k (unlike the 190a8)
Just a suggestion!
Completely agree. Looking at the plane set the Allies completely out class the Axis at high alt.
Well thats just IMOP
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It's not like the 152 is a major threat to fighters, but it would actually be able to perform above 15k (unlike the 190a8)
Looking at the plane set the Allies completely out class the Axis at high alt.
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Well next time we run BOB the spit 1's are gonna get upgraded to spit 16's .
the TA-152 wasnt built yet . and the Dora had just came out .
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Originally posted by Fencer51
Oh for heavans sake. :noid
Doobs can't be Axis CO, he has more experience running a scenario in Aces High than I do. It won't be FAIR. He already has a team in place! I don't! He will have a lead on me! :rofl
[edit] Ya know I figured it out. Doobs want to be a CO in the next scenario. So he is stiring the crap to create the impression of unfairness and a "demand" for an instant Axis CO/Team which "is always in place".
Smooth. Way to crap all over the next event for your own needs bud. :huh
Yeah you got it all figured out
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Rosco, you've got 109K-4s. The Ta152 was out and in service about the same time as K-4s were.
It was just a suggestion. Sheesh.
EDIT: Looked at the description again, it says October '44. That means there shouldn't be any K-4s either. Even doras were rare at this time.
Good luck getting axis to sign up with only G-6s adn G-14s and 190a8s vs the best of the allied planes :aok
EDIT: The above was probably pessimistic. I shouldn't say that. Numbers will be the same regardless, but it is something to think about. Unless something prevents it later, I do plan on signing up also.
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the K's started to see service in oct 44.
the 152 didnt see service til 45.
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I thought that was Nov/Dec of 1944, and the Ta152H was about a month later in Jan/Feb of 1945?
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Me163s where in production and saw action in the summer of 44.
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=107
Me 262 where in production and saw action in the summer of 44.
http://home.iae.nl/users/wbergmns/info/me262.htm
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How about some 262's for the Axis
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Originally posted by trax1
How about some 262's for the Axis
See post above :D
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It will probably be fine the way it is (*shrug*) and since the event designer has already put a list up, chances are that won't change.
Husky: Thing about 163s is that they're fixed to a location. All the allies have to do is fly around them and avoid them!
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True but if the Allies are assigned targets to hit, the 163s could be stationed at the target area..... Just a thought.
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I really didn't intend to request a total re-write of the scenario. A lot of planning goes into these things and to start including 262s and 163s totally changes the entire dynamic of the setup. I'm sort of sorry I brought it up now. No offense to husky or trax, I just didn't want to make that much of a fuss is all.
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Originally posted by Krusty
I really didn't intend to request a total re-write of the scenario. A lot of planning goes into these things and to start including 262s and 163s totally changes the entire dynamic of the setup. I'm sort of sorry I brought it up now. No offense to husky or trax, I just didn't want to make that much of a fuss is all.
True but with the plane set up now its not really a "even" playing field. The allies out class the axis so much at alt where the fight will most likely be taking place it will be a slaughter fest. The main thing scenarios are for is to have fun, and I don't think one side out classing the other is really all that fun imop. Now I realize lots of time goes into planning these things. But in a scenario you can not run a side with only 4 planes that are out classed.
Again just my 2c.
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Stranger things have happened, I guess.
Just had another though: Please tell me this is a 4-frame event? I prefer those over 3-frame events :D
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Originally posted by Krusty
Just had another though: Please tell me this is a 4-frame event? I prefer those over 3-frame events :D
"Pilots get two lives each frame, and there will be four frames plus one practice frame."
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Ah, thanks
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Originally posted by Husky01
See post above :D
Yeah ya beat me too it, you posted while I was posting:D
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With that plane set I think there gonna have a hard time getting people to sign up for Axis, I bet the Allies registration will fill up much faster then the Axis.
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How about some captured B-17's to use to infiltrate the buff stream ? :D
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Yeah, make 'em "vamp caps" :D
Originally posted by Husky01
Me163s where in production and saw action in the summer of 44.
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=107
Me 262 where in production and saw action in the summer of 44.
http://home.iae.nl/users/wbergmns/info/me262.htm
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HeHe ya cant you just see 130 "Vamp Cap" jets running around?:lol
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The plane sets match exactly what was available and what was assigned to the Gruppen and Groups at the time frame of the Scenario. I have references which can be checked by those with a Library.
The only stretch made is that II/JG 26 has Fw-190D9s operationally one month early and I wish we had the P-47D 28 for the 56th FG guys.
The First Frame is "November 2, 1944", Brooke is wrong in his description.
Trust me that the FW-190A8s will not be the only available ride. The Luftwaffe CO has great latitude in his assignments.
You guys are cracking me up, the basic description is posted and your already all over it complaining.
As it is I fully expect to loose huge amounts of bombers. But I am not so concerned with winning, I want to fight a realistic battle based upon what planes were available and in use. Someone suggested subbing P-47Ns in as the D9s are going to be a terror at alt, I declined as they (or the M) were not available. A realistic scenario, like Husky can be alot of fun for both sides. Heck I almost asked to be the German CO, but the allied is going to require more work, more coordination and I cannot fly against the 4th FG!
Krusty I would have expected better from you at least. :p You might want to try and Google the name of the event.
Now off to finish some 109k skins for you Luftwhiners to fly. :aok
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Originally posted by Heater
Fencer51,
If you need anyhelp with anything, let me know
Cheers
Heyas Heater! What ya want to do?
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You must find a balance between realistic and fairness in this "game". Member these planes in games don't perform exactly as they did in WWII. As you very well know from your knowledge of American planes Fencer the Allies have a advantage in the plane set, that was my point I was trying to get across. Obviously we will have to wait for the rules to come out before we can really get into things like how are the axis supposed to bring the fight to the Allies with the plane set etc etc. So until the rules come out there really isn't much to talk about. We can only dream with our minds for now :)
Edit: When those darn forums from Husky gonna be opened up! :furious
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Originally posted by Husky01
Edit: When those darn forums from Husky gonna be opened up! :furious
Yeah it's been over a week now, doesn't someone just need to click a button or something to open them up, so whats the hold up?
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Originally posted by Fencer51
You guys are cracking me up, the basic description is posted and your already all over it complaining.
:lol
Hum, Sorry.
:rofl
I just can't help it.
:aok
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Originally posted by Fencer51
The First Frame is "November 2, 1944
I have fixed the promo description.
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Originally posted by Brooke
I have fixed the promo description.
Thanks Brooke, I meant to PM ya about that but forgot to last night.
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Jeez what a bunch of whiners. Participate in the scenario or don't participate, but give the guys who take the time to put these things on a little credit for having thought this stuff out.
I've been on both sides of the lines for those things. First one I put together way back when, i couldn't believe how folks got bent out of shape when it didn't fit their idea of how it should work. I'd never been ripped like that over anything in a game before.
And the first big scenario I participated in way back when, I got too carried away and pissed and moaned to my everlasting regret as the folks who had designed it had worked their tails off.
It's a thankless job because there will always be some 'expert' who has never done the work, to tell them how it should be.
Shut up and design your own if you have all the answers. I'd sure love to see the perfect scenario that pleases all.
Funny part is the one that ticked me off the most is still the one I'd fly again in a heartbeat if I could.
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Can I fly a B-29 ! ?
(looking forward to seeing the week days this runs on as it looks to be a real nice one).
"Allies registration will fill up much faster then the Axis."
Iy always does. The exception is usually an Eastern Front scenario.
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Westy! Good to see the voice of truth and reason again!
Fencer thanks for taking the time to design what I am sure will be a great Scenario.
Count me in Allied.....Jugs...and for help in any way that I can.
Westy you best get in this one!
And for you that are whining already all I have to say is.
"I can't believe this!" Someone has taken his valuable time who has vast experience at designinng scenarios as well as placing the correct skins for the event into the game and people are complaining already? And to Boot this is a realistic occurance during the Air War in Europe.
In all honesty I am completely discouraged with some of the people and comments that have been made at this point before the Scenario even flies.
Come on Folks. Some of you need to grow up.
Fencer, again count on me for any help that you may need.
Thanks for your work. Many many of these people did not participate in AW Scenarios so they know not of what they speak.
Some should think........then keep their mouths shut.:aok
As I see it we have the 56th and 78th FGs along with the 4th am I correct?
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Originally posted by Hajo
Count me in Fencer. My Jug is getting an engine rebuild and a new paint job with Terri Hatcher nose art.
I love my jug to but I'm going Axis this tine.:)
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Originally posted by Fencer51
Heyas Heater! What ya want to do?
Fencer check your PM :)
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what about the 262s in "kommando nowotny"?
they downed 19 allied planes to 6 Me262s lost in august 1944
on november 8th 1944 Nowotny was shot down(there is a snapshot on this :) ) which means 262s were in service early november 1944. I think you should put them in.....nothing else in and axis plane set and match the P51Ds at alt
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I've done 262s vs massive bomber raids...
Usually 262s are worth more points to the enemy when killed, are easily damaged by defensive gunners, and lose half their guns, an engine, or their pilot to the first ping. Also a fast pony can break their attack run if he's smart (not kill them but prevent the attack).
IMO while a nice "neat-o!" factor, they're often a PITA for the axis that have 'em
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Husky01
I love my jug to but I'm going Axis this tine.:)
Second to best news I have heard in months. :rofl
Seriously you will not be unhappy with the Luftwaffe side.
Rumor has it the Finns are already massing and stocking the ready rooms. :aok
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Originally posted by 68slayr
what about the 262s in "kommando nowotny"?
they downed 19 allied planes to 6 Me262s lost in august 1944
on november 8th 1944 Nowotny was shot down(there is a snapshot on this :) ) which means 262s were in service early november 1944. I think you should put them in.....nothing else in and axis plane set and match the P51Ds at alt
I have very good reasons for the plane set and why certain planes were not included which I am not going to post here.
That is between the Axis CO, the CMs and myself.
Besides I can only state why it was designed the way it is. I will not be making the final call on any of this, I am not a CM (thank goodness)
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Hrm... didn't we recently get a finnish skin for the G-14?
I think I know what plane they'll be requesting!
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Originally posted by Hajo
As I see it we have the 56th and 78th FGs along with the 4th am I correct?
Nothing is final, but I can guarrantee that I will do all I can to ensure the 56th FG and the 4th FG will be in the scenario!
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Be nice to get the 78th in also. We already have a D25 under 78th markings. I think this could be a huge event. This is basically the Air War over Europe. Massive flights of Bombers and Fighters in the air.
I do hope the Community responds well and in great numbers. Scenarios of this ilk are few and far between. It is on a larger scale then the Battle of Britain or any Pac air battle that comes to mind at this moment.
Hajo
Turning LW Iron into scrap for Lo these many years.
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Originally posted by Fencer51
Nothing is final, but I can guarrantee that I will do all I can to ensure the 56th FG and the 4th FG will be in the scenario!
56th is so far the 3 Ive talked to are going Axis though not Allies.
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Originally posted by Husky01
56th is so far the 3 Ive talked to are going Axis though not Allies.
Good for them. they will enjoy it! I was talking Fighter Groups not members of MA squadrons.
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Well now thats confusing.
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Husky what Fencer was saying Historically it will Pit the 56th FG, 4th FG and maybe the 78th FG of the 8th USAAF as well as various BG's from the 8th against LW JG's that flew in that Theater, in that time period, during the War. JG/26 comes to mind, maybe JG/53 also....JG/2....I'd have to look them up. My memory is fading as I age ;)
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Ok, let me try again.
There will be a 4th FG in the scenario.
There will be a 56th FG in the scenario.
There will be II/JG11 in the scenario.
There will be III/JG27 in the scenario.
Now who fills these slots may or may not be the same people in those groups in the main arena. People need to go fly where they will have the most fun and the most immersion.
I would like the 56th to fly in the scenario under their "colors" but they need to go have fun where ever they want. I doubt many of the 4th FG will fly the scenario, but there will be XX P-51s with red noses airborne at T+whatever when this kicks off whomever is at the controls.
Cheers!
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"People need to go fly where they will have the most fun and the most immersion.
Amen to that. And variety is the spice of life. It sounds cliche' but it's oh so true.
Heya Hajo. Would love to fly alongside you and will try like all hell to make it.
I missed Doks' last one :( and Fencer certainly knows a thing or two about scenarios ;) I fully expect this one to be a nail biter for all and would hate to miss another good one.
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484th will be there. The group is pretty excited about it. Sounds like the S3's we used to fly to some extent.
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Stampf is the Axis CO. The formal announcement of the event, rules and command team will be arriving soon.
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Stamp please check your PM box.:aok
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Originally posted by ROC
Stampf is the Axis CO. The formal announcement of the event, rules and command team will be arriving soon.
I'm so anxious(sp?). :O
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I cant sleep at night! I'm to excited waiting for the rules!
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Any news about the rules yet or is it 2 weeks ;)
Mid
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The official announcement will come once all of the design/rule discussions are complete. I would guess it will be out sometime this week, but I could be wrong!
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*Sits here peacefully playing chess with Mid waiting for the rules :D *