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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Zoney on October 18, 2010, 11:10:05 AM
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Thanks HTC ! Looks good. This game just keeps getting better.
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Holy Moly! I was just talking to a squaddie about this bird! Wtg HTC! :aok
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allright a new targ... I mean plane.
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Very cool HTC! :banana:
waiting for Betty to comment....
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:x
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:O :rock
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Wow... :aok
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wow, look like dale finarry added something useful to event situations. no more b25c or ju88 replacements
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wo0o0o0o0ot! :aok
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Now we us P-38 drivers can play "Shoot down Yamamoto".
ack-ack
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Long overdue. :old:
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YES!!! :x
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FINALLY :banana: :x
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So I bet it's already planned and ready to go: The Hunt For Yamamoto.................. :airplane:
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Awesome! :aok
Not my first pick for the next gap filler but a great great cap filler none the less!!
Simply great!! :)
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Well, it is not the B-29 i was hoping for. But about time that IJ get something new added on!
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Wooo! Yeah! :x
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This is the most excited I have been about a new plane in a long time. Add a Ki-43 and I will resub early!
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I think I'm going to cry...
This is the most excited I have been about a new plane in a long time. Add a Ki-43 and I will resub early!
They add that I may fall over dead from shock.
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Plane looks great. HTC seems to definately be paying attention to the wishlist threads... I bet she'll look good in flames, too.
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:aok :aok :aok :aok :aok
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4 years ago, I wished for it...... And now it is coming!!!! Go HTC, Go!!!
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Nice! an AvA man's dream come true.
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Betty will be so happy. :neener:
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So now we can run a scenario, and have a thread entitled "Why did all the Betties die?".
:devil
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Beautiful work.
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Hopefully the He-111 is right behind it and we can have great early scenarios both theatres. Can't wait to see it in game :)
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am I missing something? :headscratch:
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am I missing something? :headscratch:
If you have to ask then I am going to hazard a guess and say "yes".
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If you have to ask then I am going to hazard a guess and say "yes".
Touche.
I didn't see anything on the homepage, no news listed in the forums, nada.
I just wanna feel like I'm in the loop too. Boo.
;-)
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now how about the next variant? :devil
(http://hsfeatures.com/features04/images/g4m2e72cw_26.jpg)
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Jeez, we havent even gotten it yet and you want MOAR!!!
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MOAR!
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Touche.
I didn't see anything on the homepage, no news listed in the forums, nada.
I just wanna feel like I'm in the loop too. Boo.
;-)
Sounds like the web browser is using an old cached file for the homepage, hit the refresh button. :)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/news/images/gm4m1/g4m1c.jpg)
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If you B29 fans are not careful you will get it. Wishes and the Universe and all that......
B29A, 20,000lb general purpose bomb load out. But, it will be perked as high or higher(500) than the Me262 and only be availble from the same base that Me163's are without a formation option. And it will only be on the super sized maps. And no refunds for disco's.
I can see the little voice on the phone to Grapevine:
Waaaa, but, but, Mr. HiTech Sir it took me six months to earn 500 bomber points. It, it took me 40 minutes to get to 35,000 feet and I was lined up perfictly to take down the rook HQ in another 20 minutes. I, I, I just can't help it if your servers keep discoing me! Did you read the readme file for the release came back the very irritated voice? Wellll, yeah.....but, but thats just a readme! RRright????
The irritated voice reads from the readme over the phone: In the case of DISCOs from the game server NO REFUNDS OF PERK POINTS WILL BE GIVEN FOR THE B29. Fly it at your own risk!
The little voice whispers: Your a big meany...... :cry
The irritated voice answers: I hear that alot lately.
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Man I'm going to have lose about a hundred pounds before I'll fit in there. However, I can't wait to obliterate some poor "dead 6ers" with that wonderful 20mm in tail. :)
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Looks great! Can't wait to dogfight in it in a few months...
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Yes! All I need now is the Ohka as an ordnance option. :x
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Yes! All I need now is the Ohka as an ordnance option. :x
(http://www.schoonzie.com/files/Word2007Icon.jpg)
with perk points attached to it
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Very cool. This is going to be a great special events addition. Was a fan of having it added. It looks great.
:aok
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This is going to really help and add a lot of flavor to all those Pacific scenarios and events, thank you very much HTC! :cheers: :airplane:
(now bring on the He-111!)
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Granted it's still a work in progress but it looks like the "Betty" on the front page has 3 blades where as the model has 4. Is that the correct number of blades for our model or did Superfly have another TBM moment? :D
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Granted it's still a work in progress but it looks like the "Betty" on the front page has 3 blades where as the model has 4. Is that the correct number of blades for our model or did Superfly have another TBM moment? :D
G4M1s were 3-bladed
G4M2s were 4-bladed + exhaust stacks
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What, no co-pilot with a look on his face that he's about to slit your throat?
:aok
HTC
Looking forward to it!!
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I was trying to think of something to say about the betty in here, but when I saw it, the first thing that came to my mind was SHAZAM!
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G4M1s were 3-bladed
G4M2s were 4-bladed + exhaust stacks
Ah didn't know that, thank you.
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Looks great.
I'd have preferred the G4M2 as it isn't quite as defenseless, but this will make a good addition to the game.
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Very nice more axis bombers. :aok
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WOOT :lol
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Looks great.
I'd have preferred the G4M2 as it isn't quite as defenseless, but this will make a good addition to the game.
Got to think of it like the Mosquito, now that we have a base model in the game, variants can be more easily added in later. Personaly I'd like to see some other axis aircraft added to the game (IE: He-111, some axis paratroop transports, etc.) before we see the G4M variants filled in, but noneless this is a great adition.
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we need 1 more G4M variant specifically for arcade rooms
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I had a lot of pistachio's flying around my room when I saw the main page....crap. There goes 3 dollars.... :x
Truthfully, though I was wishing for the He-111 H-11, I was hoping it would be the G4M, more specifically, the G4M2 24. :lol I am darn happy to see the G4M1 11 being the next bomber though. :rock Out of all the bombers that were wanted/needed, I feel it is the best choice to be brought to the table. I am not going to lie, I still wish for the He-111 H-11, but I think either a Russian Bomber or an EW British Bomber should be next. Possibly Italian...
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:salute HTC
This is a welcome addition to the game for sure!~ :aok
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Betty will be so happy. :neener:
those who care about betty will be happy, the plane i mean
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but I think either a Russian Bomber or an EW British Bomber should be next.
Short Stirling :noid
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Short Stirling :noid
The clear leader for the next British bomber, which should come after a goodly number of other aircraft, would be some version of the Wellington. I'd suggest the Mk III.
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only looked at wikipedia for info, but the g4m1 will only carry 1 torp or 4x250kg?
definitely useful for special events, but otherwise???
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Otherwise we have NO japanese bomber/torp plane for ANY event or scenario or arena other than a 1945 Ki-67.
It's a pretty damn big hole in the planeset, and this plane fills it from 1940 to well past 1943.
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Domo arigato, Hitech-sama. <bows>
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Otherwise we have NO japanese bomber/torp plane for ANY event or scenario or arena other than a 1945 Ki-67.
It's a pretty damn big hole in the planeset, and this plane fills it from 1940 to well past 1943.
Well, the Ki-67 entered service in 1944 and the G4M2 started entering service in 1942, as I recall.
And we can safely assume the B5N2 is a valid torpedo bomber for the early war, though not so much the late war. :p
Nonetheless, the G4M1 is a great addition for scenarios. People complaining it won't see much MA use are simply going to have to get used to that as there aren't many aircraft left to add that will see massive MA use.
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G4M2 later 1943 really. Saw much more limited use. The G4M1-11 was by far the most numerous model made and the most representative. These continued to serve until halfway through 1943. G4M2 first production model wasn't even made until July 1943, training and distribution naturally takes a little while after this. I don't know when the first combat was.
The Ki-67's combat debut was in October 1944... It wasn't a massive flood. It took a while to become a common sight and even then many of those were considered as conversions for kamikaze later in 1945. It really is a 1945 plane. I rounded up for the couple of months it started trickling into combat.
The B5N really doesn't count in that it's a 1937 carrier bomber. I was talking about a larger land-based bomber akin to the Ju-88 and the B-25 and such.
EDIT: They continued to develop the G4M1-11 until 1945 with various modifications, though I don't know in what capacity. When Yamamoto was shot down, it was in a G4M1-11, as well! That brings up an idea for a scenario!
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Don't get me wrong im estatic for the new Betty, HE111 coming soon I hope ;)
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What, no co-pilot with a look on his face that he's about to slit your throat?
:aok
HTC
Looking forward to it!!
You miss this guy?
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2116/bettycopilotxr2.jpg)
wrongway
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And now for a 2nd variant, how about some perked, special G4M and its perked cherry bomb for the arcade arena?
Here's how I think the gameplay mechanics of it should work...
For this to work, u need:
- a betty pilot with enough perk pts to fly to intended target
- invite 1 player to man the cherry bomb, that player needs to have bomber perk pts to man the cherry bomb
Here's how the scenario is gonna look like...
- Player with enough perk points pilots the special G4M
- Invited person with enough perk points is inside the cherry rocket bomb
- Both the Bomber pilot and the invited player have the control to release the cherry bomb, but first they have to mutually agree on a target first (a CV or 8 inch gun for example)
- Special G4M with cherry bomb attached is 15-20 miles away from the target, G4M pilot release the cherry rocket bomb with invited player strapped in.
- Invited player goes one-way, G4M pilot returns to base
- For both the special G4M and cherrybomb pilot not lose the perk points, the cherry pilot must hit target successfully and the special G4M bomber must return to base successfully. BANZAI! Mission Accomplished :aok
(http://hsfeatures.com/features04/images/g4m2e72cw_26.jpg)
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And now for a 2nd variant, how about some perked, special G4M and its perked cherry bomb for the arcade arena?
Here's how I think the gameplay mechanics of it should work...
For this to work, u need:
- a betty pilot with enough perk pts to fly to intended target
- invite 1 player to man the cherry bomb, that player needs to have bomber perk pts to man the cherry bomb
Here's how the scenario is gonna look like...
- Player with enough perk points pilots the special G4M
- Invited person with enough perk points is inside the cherry rocket bomb
- Both the Bomber pilot and the invited player have the control to release the cherry bomb, but first they have to mutually agree on a target first (a CV or 8 inch gun for example)
- Special G4M with cherry bomb attached is 15-20 miles away from the target, G4M pilot release the cherry rocket bomb with invited player strapped in.
- Invited player goes one-way, G4M pilot returns to base
- For both the special G4M and cherrybomb pilot not lose the perk points, the cherry pilot must hit target successfully and the special G4M bomber must return to base successfully. BANZAI! Mission Accomplished :aok
(http://hsfeatures.com/features04/images/g4m2e72cw_26.jpg)
They arent going to add any kamikaze or suicide type weapons.
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WTFH IS it with people who want to be able to fly their planes into things to destroy them? Aren't the bomb-and-bail Lancstukas bad enough as it is?! There is NO situation whatsoever where allowing working kamikazes like the Ohka is going to be BENEFICIAL for gameplay in here.
Get in your plane. Take off. Bomb your target. GO HOME AND LAND.
Hitech should put a 100% Perk price on every "We need kamikazes!!!" post. Anyone who asks for kamikazes automatically and instantly forfeits every single one of their perks the moment they hit the "Submit" button. Fighter, Bomber, Vehicle, EVERYTHING.
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why can't axis get a perk bomber ride
could it be allied conspiracy? :noid
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WTFH IS it with people who want to be able to fly their planes into things to destroy them? Aren't the bomb-and-bail Lancstukas bad enough as it is?! There is NO situation whatsoever where allowing working kamikazes like the Ohka is going to be BENEFICIAL for gameplay in here.
I agree. There should be no kamkaze mode by driving your fighter/bomber to the ground
BUT
This special G4M + cherrybomb is different. The invited player is driving a standoff missile with H.E. bomb, not a fighter/bomber to a target in dignified gameplay manner.
the lankstuka and 'the first long range standoff rocket cruise missile with a bomb in the history of the world' analogy just doesn't compare. It's dweebier to attempt lankstuka than to what I describe above which is more dignified :aok
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You miss this guy?
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2116/bettycopilotxr2.jpg)
wrongway
It's been awhile.. but I thought he looked more sinister.
That guys has a 'WTF.. you bombed a Cow?' look on his face..
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It's been awhile.. but I thought he looked more sinister.
That guys has a 'WTF.. you bombed a Cow?' look on his face..
You, sir just made me spit sleepytime tea all over my computer screen.
I hope your happy.
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The Ki-67's combat debut was in October 1944... It wasn't a massive flood. It took a while to become a common sight and even then many of those were considered as conversions for kamikaze later in 1945. It really is a 1945 plane. I rounded up for the couple of months it started trickling into combat
You've said that before and you're still wrong. The Ki-67 entered service with the IJA in April, 1944 and entered service with the IJN in October of 1944. That is how I understand it. It is as much a 1944 design as the P-51D is.
why can't axis get a perk bomber ride
could it be allied conspiracy? :noid
Ar234.....
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why can't axis get a perk bomber ride
could it be allied conspiracy? :noid
ar234, the section in your brain that thinks before it posts probably looks like this > :banana:
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I know someday we're gonna get an allied b29 with n00ks, to maintain parity the axis should also get a special G4M with cherrybomb :aok
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The main difference on the G4M2 was the more powerful Kasei Model 21 engines with water methanol injection, these developed 1850hp each on takeoff instead of 1540hp. Even with these the G4M2 Betty struggled to carry the Ohka suicide bomb, which weighed over 4,700lb. Of this weight the warhead was only 2,646lb. It takes 8K or ord to take out a carrier in AH, but that's less than 8K of explosive content (bomb casings etc.) Even so, in AH terms you would probably need three Ohkas to take out a carrier. You'd do better with any late war US jabo or buffs in terms of time/damage.
I think the Betty will make a reasonable substitute in scenarios for other early war bombers like the SM 79 or the Il-4. Although it has that 20mm tail gun, that's offset by its flammability. If a special event organiser wants to use it that way, I can produce an appropriate skin for it.
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They continued to develop the G4M1-11 until 1945 with various modifications, though I don't know in what capacity. When Yamamoto was shot down, it was in a G4M1-11, as well! That brings up an idea for a scenario!
According to Francillon, The Betty Yamamoto was shot down in was a Model 12.
The Model 12 which was usually designated just "G4M1" and was an upgrade to the intial production model ie. the G4M1-11 HTC is implementing.
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cherrybomb
Cherry Bomb:
(http://www.fireworkmuseum.co.uk/cherry_bombs/cherry_bomb.bmp)
MXY7 Ohka, Cherry Blossom:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Japanese_Ohka_rocket_plane.jpg/300px-Japanese_Ohka_rocket_plane.jpg)
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You miss this guy?
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2116/bettycopilotxr2.jpg)
wrongway
LOL I remember him, I believe there was an observer as well if you looked behind the pilot.
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I agree. There should be no kamkaze mode by driving your fighter/bomber to the ground
BUT
This special G4M + cherrybomb is different. The invited player is driving a standoff missile with H.E. bomb, not a fighter/bomber to a target in dignified gameplay manner.
the lankstuka and 'the first long range standoff rocket cruise missile with a bomb in the history of the world' analogy just doesn't compare. It's dweebier to attempt lankstuka than to what I describe above which is more dignified :aok
No, it would be NO different, and no more dignified. Suicide dweebery is suicide dweebery, whether it's a purpose-built craft or not.
Think of how annoying it is to stop Lancstuka's, who don't care if they go home so long as they can pickle off their bombs before they bail. Now imagine trying to stop Lancstukas that are TRAVELING AS FAST AS AN ME-163 and can damage the target just by ramming it.
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Looks great! Can't wait to dogfight in it in a few months...
Heh. :)
The wingloading of the G4M1-11 is indeed interesting for a bomber class aircraft. It is crazily low. At 121.6kg/m2 it is lower than any fighter's wingloading in the sim. And that's with loaded weight which seems to include the normal bombload and pretty hefty load of fuel. At 25% of fuel and no bombs, the wing loading will probably approach the biplane fighters of the WWII... :eek: The roll rate will of course be bomber class and its' structural streght won't like high-G maneuvers but Im' sure that with a good gunner it's low speed handling will suprise at least few fighter pilots. ;)
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It's been awhile.. but I thought he looked more sinister.
That guys has a 'WTF.. you bombed a Cow?' look on his face..
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Holy crap, I almost passed out, I was laughing so hard...
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Oh man I think it looks great...only thing I can see is its about 9 years too late!
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:aok Thought i was going to look like this :old: by the time we got something we needed for fso and scenarios. Good job
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Not my pick for sure but it had a huge footprint in the war and its pretty :aok that we are getting it.
A good pick. :salute
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why can't axis get a perk bomber ride
could it be allied conspiracy? :noid
Probabley one of the oldest axis bombers in this game is a perked bomber... you sure you play this game? :D
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:x :x :banana: :banana:
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Whoo hoo! the Betty!...flaming lawn darts here I come!!! :D
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According to Francillon, The Betty Yamamoto was shot down in was a Model 12.
The Model 12 which was usually designated just "G4M1" and was an upgrade to the intial production model ie. the G4M1-11 HTC is implementing.
Well... :t
If you're gonna nitpick.... :devil
This one Francillon got wrong. He's made a couple of mistakes (misidentifying a photo as the wrong squadron is another I read about today). Overall seems a good source though.
There was no "model 12"... There was no new designation on the model that had rubber panels underneath the wings (to protect the fuel from ground fire -- but not from above!), and the "larger" superchargers (I assume that means more powerful, not that they took up more mass?). These models were in the end slightly slower and had slightly less range (hardly worth mention) than the other "Model 11" versions. They had no designation except in a few technical orders for parts and maintenance. They were still simply the 11. On those rare occasions when paperwork had to differentiate them, they were "model 13" and the only time "model 12" was used was very briefly for the G4M2 prototypes, but these were very quickly renamed the "model 22" instead.
So, no Yamamoto was shot down in a Model 11, just a slightly differently configured Model 11, hehehe...
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You've said that before and you're still wrong. The Ki-67 entered service with the IJA in April, 1944 and entered service with the IJN in October of 1944. That is how I understand it. It is as much a 1944 design as the P-51D is.
No, I think you're in error on this one Karnak...
They were "ready" with preproduction models for more than a year, and the "first flight" of a preproduction type was in April 1943, but the plane showed so much promise that the Army schemed, planned, and delayed the actual production of the model by trying to tack on so many new features that it did not get out (even for the Army) until October of 1944.
See here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=MuGsf0psjvcC&pg=PA392&lpg=PA392&dq=ki-67+combat&source=bl&ots=K4_DzbSJdD&sig=N6mPkGQRGUOamcKO6aEd43A8KzU&hl=en&ei=Gcy9TLiyOYbGlQetq8nmBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=ki-67%20combat&f=false
October 1944
See here:
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/japan/aircraft/bomber/mitsubishi-ki-67-hirya-peggy.asp
first use by Army in October 1944 by "7th Sentai and 98th Sentai" (sources cited at bottom)
See here:
http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/photo_albums/timeline/ww2/Mitsubishi%20Ki%2067%20Peggy.htm
"The three prototypes were not completed until December 1942, February 1943, and March 1943, respectively" [...] "The Army, in fact, was so pleased with the new bomber, that additional equipment was being continually planned for it, and actual adoption of the Ki-67 for service was delayed because no one apparently could agree on a standardized configuration for it." [...] "The foolish delay in finalizing the design meant that the first combat use of the Peggy didn’t occur until the series of air-sea battles off the Formosan coast in October 1944."
P.S. I never said "a 1945 design" -- I said a 1945 plane (and yes I was rounding up, as mentioned previously). The design means jack, diddley, and squat, when it comes to putting planes in scenarios and setups. It's actual entry point into the war is what matters. Or would you call the Spit22 a "1939 design"?
[EDIT: typo fix]
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Well... :t
If you're gonna nitpick.... :devil
This one Francillon got wrong. He's made a couple of mistakes (misidentifying a photo as the wrong squadron is another I read about today). Overall seems a good source though.
There was no "model 12"... There was no new designation on the model that had rubber panels underneath the wings (to protect the fuel from ground fire -- but not from above!), and the "larger" superchargers (I assume that means more powerful, not that they took up more mass?). These models were in the end slightly slower and had slightly less range (hardly worth mention) than the other "Model 11" versions. They had no designation except in a few technical orders for parts and maintenance. They were still simply the 11. On those rare occasions when paperwork had to differentiate them, they were "model 13" and the only time "model 12" was used was very briefly for the G4M2 prototypes, but these were very quickly renamed the "model 22" instead.
So, no Yamamoto was shot down in a Model 11, just a slightly differently configured Model 11, hehehe...
Source? I gave you one.
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Betty Betty Betty. That's all I ever hear in this game.
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Probabley one of the oldest axis bombers in this game is a perked bomber... you sure you play this game? :D
How could he miss the rockets. Hello....Geez. What else is there to spend bomber perks on, I think I recall someone asking. lol
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EDIT: In response to WMaker:
First, try a search anywhere for a "model 12" -- it doesn't exist. Then by searching more the best explanation presents itself and the other sources support it.
In short, I scoured the web all day with the curiousity of "what is a model 12" -- only to find there wasn't one. That is, I scoured it at work between doing stuff. Checked about 20 different links and resources online and even read some comments about Yamamoto's G4M1.
Here's the one that supports pretty much what I figured out when doing my searches:
http://www.j-aircraft.com/faq/G4M.htm#G4M1 Type 1 Tail Gun Question (http://www.j-aircraft.com/faq/G4M.htm#G4M1 Type 1 Tail Gun Question)
You'll note Jim Long is the one answering the question. He seems to be somewhat known (I hadn't heard about him before I started looking into the Ki-61 and Ki-100 some more in the past month, but then I don't normally research the Japanese craft, which are more of his specialty). He translates primary japanese documents, has an archive of US intelligence reports from WW2, is a modeler and IPMS member. He's been published on at least a handful of things including some books and some IPMS articles.
He's a bit of an expert when it comes to the finer details of Ki-61 performance and history, as well. Likes to discuss a lot of his work and findings online at j-aircraft.
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US pilots nicknamed the Betty the "Flying Lighter". :cool:
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Heh. :)
The wingloading of the G4M1-11 is indeed interesting for a bomber class aircraft. It is crazily low. At 121.6kg/m2 it is lower than any fighter's wingloading in the sim. And that's with loaded weight which seems to include the normal bombload and pretty hefty load of fuel. At 25% of fuel and no bombs, the wing loading will probably approach the biplane fighters of the WWII... :eek: The roll rate will of course be bomber class and its' structural streght won't like high-G maneuvers but Im' sure that with a good gunner it's low speed handling will suprise at least few fighter pilots. ;)
By the time I get back, it won't matter what I fly....my wings will ripping off anyway.
Glad to see you're still around WMaker.
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Sweeeeeeet! Looking forward to getting my wings lit up soon.. Nice addition though.. Thanks HTC :salute
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if i can use it like the B-26 and make it a flying gun platform with 20mm instead of .50's i would be happy
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now we need a cherryblosomm for it no blossem for you :noid
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Thank you HTC!
Good show!
<S>
...now, we only need the He-111...
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Does this mean the He-111 is next or perhaps the Beaufighter ? :D
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Does this mean the He-111 is next or perhaps the Beaufighter ? :D
The list is
He-111
Short Stirling
P-63
:noid