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Title: Accusations Overload
Post by: JimmyD3 on June 09, 2023, 08:21:30 AM
Really getting tired of all the "cheat" accusations in the MA. To many immediately use that accusation anytime they get shot down or killed, just because they are too ignorant or egotistical to understand why. Any given engagement will have thousands of different plausible explanations for the outcome, besides "cheating".

If you suspect someone is in fact cheating, film it, send it to Hitech. Otherwise SHUT UP. We are running new players off with this childish behavior. I think Hitech and the Mods need to start muting/squelching on the term.  :mad:
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Animl-AW on June 09, 2023, 08:29:03 AM
Its also very harmful to the game and retaining players, especially new ones. Chasing people away with knee-jerk accusations.

Hard to complain about numbers while chasing them away.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: mERv on June 09, 2023, 09:39:39 AM
Yeah it gets pretty rough at times. If it wasn't for my pure love and addiction to this game it would have ran me off. Instead it made me tougher :cheers:

After awhile I have come to see how pathetic those who make such accusations truly are. Sad too as I respected all of them at one point. I take great pride in sending them back to tower when I do.  :aok
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Lazerr on June 09, 2023, 10:08:05 AM
Always got a kick out of being called a hack while sitting at my desk flying with a mouse and keyboard.  But yes, it's a bad look on the game for sure.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Dadtallica on June 09, 2023, 11:27:48 AM
There are some people who claim every death they receive was some how nefarious. No joke folks, it’s every time.

My favorites are the people who clam in they got “one shot” in a tank even though they have been taking hits from tanks and planes the whole time. Damage modeling anyone?
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: fuzeman on June 09, 2023, 11:36:23 AM
I'd have no problem with a 10 minute mute for mentioning cheaters in Melee.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Lazerr on June 09, 2023, 12:56:59 PM
I'd have no problem with a 10 minute mute for mentioning cheaters in Melee.

I'd agree if reviewed in context by a moderator, but not an automated mute like profanity.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: 100Coogn on June 09, 2023, 01:01:32 PM
Really getting tired of all the "cheat" accusations in the MA. To many immediately use that accusation anytime they get shot down or killed, just because they are too ignorant or egotistical to understand why. Any given engagement will have thousands of different plausible explanations for the outcome, besides "cheating".

If you suspect someone is in fact cheating, film it, send it to Hitech. Otherwise SHUT UP. We are running new players off with this childish behavior. I think Hitech and the Mods need to start muting/squelching on the term.  :mad:

Are you that fantastic that you get called "cheat".
Get over yourself.

Coogan
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Banshee7 on June 09, 2023, 01:03:47 PM
I wondered with the state of online gaming (and the world) if hacking/cheating had made its way into AH.  Other games are full of them. I only remember one or two players to ever hack AH “back in the day.”  I haven’t seen one hackusation yet.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Animl-AW on June 09, 2023, 01:34:14 PM
I wondered with the state of online gaming (and the world) if hacking/cheating had made its way into AH.  Other games are full of them. I only remember one or two players to ever hack AH “back in the day.”  I haven’t seen one hackusation yet.

Prolly should not carry on the subject too far.
The point is these are baseless unproven and reckless accusation due to hurt ego. Its toxic talk here or there. The knee-jerk false accusations is annoying, harm to the game is a byproduct.

Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: BigR on June 09, 2023, 01:50:49 PM
Honestly its the same handful of guys screaming cheat all the time. I really love owning some chump who is clearly lacking in skill and then they start screaming on 200 that I just pulled some impossible move when it was a trivial kill on my end. I don't pretend to be close to the best, but these guys need to realize there are people who play this game that are so much better than they are, it may appear to be cheating to them because they are ignorant of the full potential for how the game can be played. There are specialists that have had so much practice, they can pull off some amazing stuff.

Situational awareness and pure experience is the true cheat code.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: JimmyD3 on June 09, 2023, 02:07:11 PM
Are you that fantastic that you get called "cheat".
Get over yourself.

Coogan
Please Coogan go troll some where else. While I do get accused on occasion, it's nothing like many of the other much better players than me. The worst part is watching long time players berate a new player, when they get a kill.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: 100Coogn on June 09, 2023, 02:20:12 PM
Please Coogan go troll some where else. While I do get accused on occasion, it's nothing like many of the other much better players than me. The worst part is watching long time players berate a new player, when they get a kill.

What a knob.. 
You do you Red-Baron...  lol

Coogan
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: RichardDarkwood on June 09, 2023, 02:27:47 PM
I wondered with the state of online gaming (and the world) if hacking/cheating had made its way into AH.  Other games are full of them. I only remember one or two players to ever hack AH “back in the day.”  I haven’t seen one hackusation yet.

You mean like a Ki-84 flying a full sector on fire? that wasn't that long ago
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Shuffler on June 09, 2023, 02:30:59 PM
You mean like a Ki-84 flying a full sector on fire? that wasn't that long ago

These servers are controlled. It is easy to film anything suspicious, send it in. The AH film has a lot more info in it than just what you see.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Vulcan on June 09, 2023, 02:47:48 PM
Always got a kick out of being called a hack while sitting at my desk flying with a mouse and keyboard.  But yes, it's a bad look on the game for sure.

Yes your dexterity is legendary at the truck stop!
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: mERv on June 09, 2023, 03:07:25 PM
Are you that fantastic that you get called "cheat".
Get over yourself.

Coogan
I actually am that fantastic that I regularly get accused of hacking  :x

Let's just put this out there... the vast majority of accusations thrown are coming from the bishop country. The very country where shade cheaters still exist. Both the accusations and the shades are a part of the culture there. Is what it is :bolt:
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: 100Coogn on June 09, 2023, 03:16:52 PM
I actually am that fantastic that I regularly get accused of hacking  :x

Let's just put this out there... the vast majority of accusations thrown are coming from the bishop country. The very country where shade cheaters still exist. Both the accusations and the shades are a part of the culture there. Is what it is :bolt:

I don't belive you are anything.  You're lucky to get those pigs of the ground.

Coogan
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: mERv on June 09, 2023, 03:27:53 PM
I don't belive you are anything.  You're lucky to get those pigs of the ground.

Coogan
I don't need you to believe anything. Your on a very tiny island oldman  :old: :neener:

You contribute very little in the MA and your stature in this community dwindles like the game itself. Hell, your even trolling your own squady in this thread. 🤣

You put more time into the forum than you do this game if you even play anymore. Your voice is like dust inthe wind.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Banshee7 on June 09, 2023, 03:34:57 PM
You mean like a Ki-84 flying a full sector on fire? that wasn't that long ago

That’s news to me 😂😂 I’ve been gone awhile.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: mERv on June 09, 2023, 03:36:06 PM
That’s news to me 😂😂 I’ve been gone awhile.
Don't believe everything you read on the internet :x :aok
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Dadtallica on June 09, 2023, 03:45:38 PM
I actually am that fantastic that I regularly get accused of hacking  :x

Let's just put this out there... the vast majority of accusations thrown are coming from the bishop country. The very country where shade cheaters still exist. Both the accusations and the shades are a part of the culture there. Is what it is :bolt:

I only fly Rook and I don’t do 200 yet I hear it all the time so it’s not specific to anyone group.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: uptown on June 09, 2023, 07:46:24 PM
You don't need to hack anything to cheat. Just ask the guys running more than one account. I actually made an honest attempt to come back into the game until at about day 2 at 2 in the morning I'm flying at the edge of the map low enough where my drones were above me, and low and behold here comes 2 enemy planes right to me. Next night same thing same squad.
Years ago it wasn't real noticeable, but now with 5, 10 or 15 to a side it becomes real obvious, real fast. New players won't put up with it. The game is hard enough without having to deal with that. There's too many other games out there.

Also, new players need training. I found the training arena to be empty and broken as well as any reading material about the game, such as Soda's Aircraft evaluation page sorely out of date. And the maps...after 6 or 8 years since I played...still the same maps and same tired old players milking them at 30 thousand feet. In the week I did play last month, everyone I talked to had no less than 12 years playing. The majority were closer to 20 years in game. It's no wonder to me that 100 players online at once is considered a good night around here. If these things aren't fixed, new players won't stick around long enough to see any "hacking".
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: 100Coogn on June 09, 2023, 07:52:53 PM
I don't need you to believe anything. Your on a very tiny island oldman  :old: :neener:

You contribute very little in the MA and your stature in this community dwindles like the game itself. Hell, your even trolling your own squady in this thread. 🤣

You put more time into the forum than you do this game if you even play anymore. Your voice is like dust inthe wind.

Why don't you hush up and stick to shooting down your in-game shade accounts. 

Coogan
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Molsman on June 10, 2023, 12:46:22 AM
Maybe time for hitech to code in the anti-cheat program that other games I play use. It will settle all of the issues of your a hacker or you cheat

Just my 2 cents
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: mERv on June 10, 2023, 01:21:58 AM
Why don't you hush up and stick to shooting down your in-game shade accounts. 

Coogan
is that the best you can do?  :neener:

It does not get anymore lame than that Coogan :rofl

If you were actually in the game you would see how silly you look when you say that :cheers:
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Animl-AW on June 10, 2023, 02:27:20 AM
Can of worms opened.

I smell the aroma of a padlock in the air
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: The Fugitive on June 10, 2023, 08:01:11 AM
You don't need to hack anything to cheat. Just ask the guys running more than one account. I actually made an honest attempt to come back into the game until at about day 2 at 2 in the morning I'm flying at the edge of the map low enough where my drones were above me, and low and behold here comes 2 enemy planes right to me. Next night same thing same squad.
Years ago it wasn't real noticeable, but now with 5, 10 or 15 to a side it becomes real obvious, real fast. New players won't put up with it. The game is hard enough without having to deal with that. There's too many other games out there.

Also, new players need training. I found the training arena to be empty and broken as well as any reading material about the game, such as Soda's Aircraft evaluation page sorely out of date. And the maps...after 6 or 8 years since I played...still the same maps and same tired old players milking them at 30 thousand feet. In the week I did play last month, everyone I talked to had no less than 12 years playing. The majority were closer to 20 years in game. It's no wonder to me that 100 players online at once is considered a good night around here. If these things aren't fixed, new players won't stick around long enough to see any "hacking".

Uptown! Im sorry I missed your come back.

As for why they found you, its the new dar.... well not that new to us old timers. Hitech changed the "dot" dar to the airplane icons and made it so when an enemy flys near (not sure of the distance, 10k or so) the icon pops up, no matter the alt. So what those guys did was saw a dar bar in the sector you were in and flew across the sector until one of them lite you up and then they could fly strait to you.

It was setup this way to make it easier for newbs....and anyone else to "find" the bad guys so the game wasnt so boring/hard to play. Down side is it makes NOE very difficult, especially for goons, which is why most capturs are now done with an M3.

The game has changed and most of the old timers still here just adapted. Those changes sometimes makes it harder for those coming back.


Maybe time for hitech to code in the anti-cheat program that other games I play use. It will settle all of the issues of your a hacker or you cheat

Just my 2 cents

Im sure Hitech is running many monitor programs to watch for any type of crap some people feel they need to employ. The only cheating going on in this game is what people who have easily wounded pride make up in their own minds. They scream HACK!!! but all it is, is the player was either better at that moment, or the one screaming hack isnt as good as they think they are, and are just too stupid to realise it.

There are very few players in this game that have earned the reputation of being Aces, but there are alot more who THINK they are and just cant handle the truth.

I believe this game is far more secure than most games out there. On top of that, if you leave your ego at the login page and just play the game its a lot of fun!
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 10, 2023, 09:31:14 AM
Uptown! Im sorry I missed your come back.

As for why they found you, its the new dar.... well not that new to us old timers. Hitech changed the "dot" dar to the airplane icons and made it so when an enemy flys near (not sure of the distance, 10k or so) the icon pops up, no matter the alt. So what those guys did was saw a dar bar in the sector you were in and flew across the sector until one of them lite you up and then they could fly strait to you.

It was setup this way to make it easier for newbs....and anyone else to "find" the bad guys so the game wasnt so boring/hard to play. Down side is it makes NOE very difficult, especially for goons, which is why most capturs are now done with an M3.

The game has changed and most of the old timers still here just adapted. Those changes sometimes makes it harder for those coming back.


Im sure Hitech is running many monitor programs to watch for any type of crap some people feel they need to employ. The only cheating going on in this game is what people who have easily wounded pride make up in their own minds. They scream HACK!!! but all it is, is the player was either better at that moment, or the one screaming hack isnt as good as they think they are, and are just too stupid to realise it.

There are very few players in this game that have earned the reputation of being Aces, but there are alot more who THINK they are and just cant handle the truth.

I believe this game is far more secure than most games out there. On top of that, if you leave your ego at the login page and just play the game its a lot of fun!

No one is good enough to be Hacking. I think it would be highly noticeable with hit % and E retention aka weightloss, bit no one is good enough there. People who have cheated were banned pretty quickly because it is clearly obvious to someone who has played at a top level for a while.

I can see people getting angry in tanks, when they insta blow up out of no where. I don't play tanks for that reason. It takes too much time to drive to a base and get popped instantly for me. Not my thing. However people who are more advanced in tanks can explain it if they know what both players are in.

I dislike the new dar TBH. I don't understand why Hitech never tried just increasing the amount of damage it takes on radar, as it was always the first thing people easily gunned down, causing th3 issue. He only tried th3 new way and gave us a choice on that, which of course everyone chose at the time without really understanding how it would effect gameplay. I'd have liked to see what would happen if it took 3k pounds to take out a radar, but we never got to try that, for some reason...
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Dadtallica on June 10, 2023, 11:54:03 AM
If not make harder then maybe make it more risky by adding a few more 37mm around it.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: 1stpar3 on June 11, 2023, 05:01:20 AM
No one is good enough to be Hacking. I think it would be highly noticeable with hit % and E retention aka weightloss, bit no one is good enough there. People who have cheated were banned pretty quickly because it is clearly obvious to someone who has played at a top level for a while.

I can see people getting angry in tanks, when they insta blow up out of no where. I don't play tanks for that reason. It takes too much time to drive to a base and get popped instantly for me. Not my thing. However people who are more advanced in tanks can explain it if they know what both players are in.

I dislike the new dar TBH. I don't understand why Hitech never tried just increasing the amount of damage it takes on radar, as it was always the first thing people easily gunned down, causing th3 issue. He only tried th3 new way and gave us a choice on that, which of course everyone chose at the time without really understanding how it would effect gameplay. I'd have liked to see what would happen if it took 3k pounds to take out a radar, but we never got to try that, for some reason...
"I dislike the new dar TBH", as in the Bomber and Fighter icons..instead of just a Dot..or however it was in AH2?  Yes, radar seems to be a main target. Sure, is funny to see how many auger, trying to kill it LOL  Radar down, has ZERO effect for me...could care less.  Are you talking about the "Proximity Radar" we have now?  Cant remember if that is an AH3 thing or a carry over from AH2?  I do dislike that landed C-47 shows up on "Proximity Radar", makes it harder to take bases, that dont have GV spawns very close, or at all?  Eh, its a 2 edged sword....more GVs I get to bomb and frustrating base takes  :devil
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: haggerty on June 12, 2023, 03:01:34 AM
sorry about the dar, I claim credit for that wishlist.  I wanted targets in icon range of friendlies to show on radar to simulate the pilot calling in locations to HQ.  I hate using vox so its a way to communicate enemies locations without having to talk.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: mERv on June 12, 2023, 10:53:09 AM
sorry about the dar, I claim credit for that wishlist.  I wanted targets in icon range of friendlies to show on radar to simulate the pilot calling in locations to HQ.  I hate using vox so its a way to communicate enemies locations without having to talk.
A more accurate version would be to manually type a code into the dot command that reports a tab highlighted aircraft to HQ thus activating a timer and revealing an icon on the map for a certain amount of time before returning as a dot on the map. Same would go for a gv that would give off a gv dar on the map.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 12, 2023, 12:31:42 PM
"I dislike the new dar TBH", as in the Bomber and Fighter icons..instead of just a Dot..or however it was in AH2?  Yes, radar seems to be a main target. Sure, is funny to see how many auger, trying to kill it LOL  Radar down, has ZERO effect for me...could care less.  Are you talking about the "Proximity Radar" we have now?  Cant remember if that is an AH3 thing or a carry over from AH2?  I do dislike that landed C-47 shows up on "Proximity Radar", makes it harder to take bases, that dont have GV spawns very close, or at all?  Eh, its a 2 edged sword....more GVs I get to bomb and frustrating base takes  :devil

Yeah, the proximity dar even outside of radar range, just because it makes it easy for planes to be-line it right to you and help gang, making it harder for you to escape the fight. I do actually like that it shows the plane and bomber icon. Even though I'm sure bombers hate it. But it can make a difference for me if I want to roll or not. I didn't particularly like the old dar because it was too easy to take down in base range, and therfore made it seem like nothing was happening in the area, and new players didn't understand dar very well. I had just wished that the dar was harder to take down. The dar now does take away from the stealthy aspect of coming out of no where, which turned players off, though it doesn't effect me that much personally.

I do understand what Haggery was thinking, however how far does radio range travel 6k-7k, so it shouldn't be able to radio to the home field if it's more than 7k from the base, IMO.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Logan on June 12, 2023, 05:23:14 PM
You mean like a Ki-84 flying a full sector on fire? that wasn't that long ago
Yeah lol that was Ahiru ,he had a  reputation I heard about when I first joined the game in 2019 his KI 84 caught my Dora when I was doing over 500 mph  out of a dive and when he was in level flight
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: haggerty on June 13, 2023, 03:01:49 AM
I do understand what Haggery was thinking, however how far does radio range travel 6k-7k, so it shouldn't be able to radio to the home field if it's more than 7k from the base, IMO.

50km for German fighters, not sure about US/UK, etc.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: RichardDarkwood on June 13, 2023, 07:17:10 AM
These servers are controlled. It is easy to film anything suspicious, send it in. The AH film has a lot more info in it than just what you see.

Someone did send it in, and the person was banned
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Dichotomy on June 13, 2023, 08:03:24 AM
I sucked way too much to ever get accused of cheating.  And I'll suck just as much in a couple of weeks.  But I'm still going to have fun
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Shuffler on June 13, 2023, 11:33:45 AM
The only things I ever thought were cheating is those darn trees.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 13, 2023, 12:56:41 PM
The only things I ever thought were cheating is those darn trees.

So true! They grow 10 feet longer as you fly over just to reach out and snatch it. I seen it I tell you what!
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Animl-AW on June 13, 2023, 03:51:17 PM
The only things I ever thought were cheating is those darn trees.

HA!
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: steely07 on June 13, 2023, 06:15:05 PM
I've been watching a lot of Vudu15's old video's of AH2 and early AH3, and, the majority of kills he gets are greeted with a "nice shot Sir <S>" or something similar, and looking at the chat during those video's, I don't think a single mention of cheating is ever made, most of the chat is friendly, some bad jokes fly around, and of course, there are some hurt feelings (the HO has never been popular)

It'd be nice if we could aim towards that kind of thing again, I mean hell, most of us have "known" each other for years, and we're members of a fairly exclusive club here, we should try to be civil in chat and save the accusations for shouting out while not on the mic.

<S>

Steely
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Dadtallica on June 13, 2023, 06:22:39 PM
I remember when you could chat pilots in other counties and we did that a lot. Was mutual respect for everyone.

The world has lost that a bit in recent years.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: mERv on June 13, 2023, 10:57:49 PM
I remember when you could chat pilots in other counties and we did that a lot. Was mutual respect for everyone.

The world has lost that a bit in recent years.
a lot of hate was also shared... and spying too. I do miss the hate messages tho :rofl
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Animl-AW on June 14, 2023, 08:47:49 AM
I logged on last night for 5 minutes. Unfortunately the only fights at the time were between Bish and Rooks.

The very first text I saw on the buffer in the first 5 seconds contained the word “cheating”.

This has become an epidemic that needs to be dealt with.  Not just talking about it, but actions of punishment. This is very harmful to the game and retaining new players. These players who claim to love the game are chewing their own foot off.

 It defeats those trying to draw new or former players.

I know some people are much more tolerant then myself. I know I have zero tolerance for nonsense . But as soon as the word is mentioned every player should hit squelch. Do not give these types a platform to stand on. Responding to them only elongates the false banter. Just squelch them. Your defense is ignored anyway.

The first comment on my first movie tells it all. Its not about older graphics, its about attitudes.

If We/I were to draw 5 players in, this stuff could chase 3-4 away. Best to loose one player for a day then 3-4 forever.

With all very due respect, locking threads helps, but isn’t solving the arena nonsense.

Just hit squelch conspiracy theorist and continue have fun.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: nopoop on June 14, 2023, 10:34:18 AM
I imagine the average age in this game is around fifty. With that said it is amazing how many twelve year olds there are on 200.

What they don't realize is what us adults think of them. If they did, there wouldn't be a problem. But if they havent learned by the time they are a grey beard, they never will.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Animl-AW on June 14, 2023, 10:53:59 AM
I imagine the average age in this game is around fifty. With that said it is amazing how many twelve year olds there are on 200.

What they don't realize is what us adults think of them. If they did, there wouldn't be a problem. But if they havent learned by the time they are a grey beard, they never will.

True enough, if the power of suggestion doesn't work, nothing will. Stop suggesting.
That said, I think we should stop giving them a platform by continuing the convo on 200 (or hear). If ignoring people on the boards with negative agenda lets them fade away, it will work in 200 too. People trolling the cheat thing and politics is toxic, both rarely contain facts, both are immersion killers.
 
I also understand with the common age some are playing pretty lit. Talking them from jumping off the roof is exhausting. Some times we have to take their car keys until they sober up.

I don't know if there is a single blanket answer, I just see that elongating it with a defense on 200 or the boards is not helping. Tell them to send HT the evidence and then squelch if they continue.

I also know that this very post is because we're all just sick of the baseless conspiracy theories that harm the game. It's posted with good intent, but it's being spoken of, and sometimes it gives others ideas, most of which do not exist.

<shrug>
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: RELIC on June 14, 2023, 04:55:33 PM
Really getting tired of all the "cheat" accusations in the MA. To many immediately use that accusation anytime they get shot down or killed, just because they are too ignorant or egotistical to understand why. Any given engagement will have thousands of different plausible explanations for the outcome, besides "cheating".

If you suspect someone is in fact cheating, film it, send it to Hitech. Otherwise SHUT UP. We are running new players off with this childish behavior. I think Hitech and the Mods need to start muting/squelching on the term.  :mad:
Agreed.  Time for the mods to step in.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Shamus on June 15, 2023, 06:51:22 AM
Yup, the Mods used to jump on cheating and politics right off the bat.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: RichardDarkwood on June 15, 2023, 07:38:27 AM
Its always the same people starting the politics up. Just mute them.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Animl-AW on June 15, 2023, 08:31:22 AM
Its always the same people starting the politics up. Just mute them.

Its def a small repeat crowd. Cheating, Sex, Politics, same people. Moderation is needed.

The majority of the masses are good well mannered and welcoming  ppl. Its a small group that has normalized the most harm. The floor needs to be mopped,…IMO.

Updates and 200 is what I’ve read from former players on other boards, but always followed by the “funnest game” and “I miss that game”, Its a distinct pattern. Also means its worth fixing.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Shuffler on June 15, 2023, 03:06:44 PM
Yeah.... well sex.... oh ok no sex either.    :rofl
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: GasTeddy on June 17, 2023, 05:01:36 AM
I imagine the average age in this game is around fifty. With that said it is amazing how many twelve year olds there are on 200.

What they don't realize is what us adults think of them. If they did, there wouldn't be a problem. But if they havent learned by the time they are a grey beard, they never will.

That's why I do not use 200. Too many crybabies.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: GasTeddy on June 17, 2023, 05:15:53 AM
Maybe time for hitech to code in the anti-cheat program that other games I play use. It will settle all of the issues of your a hacker or you cheat

Just my 2 cents

101% agreed. On the other hand, every code written by a human being can be broken by another one.

Let me tell a true story how a good attempt may backfire: There was a combat sim infested with all kind of cheats and hacks together with lots of verbal abuse. I had long email conversations with the owner and he asked my help to clean the sim. Just to make screenshots and videos and send them to him was his request.

I did what was asked, sent him lots of videos made with sims own recording system and also Xbox ones, together with screenshots. After a while, numerous immortal and invinsible super pilots vanished and few remaining ones became just normal mortals. And I became the most hated person among those flying on the other side. Nowadays, when I up a fighter in there, most of them either ditch or pull the plug, some spit out an insult and log.

Reason for edit: msspllled wrods
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: LCADolby on June 17, 2023, 09:17:33 AM
101% agreed. On the other hand, every code written by a human being can be broken by another one.

Let me tell a true story how a good attempt may backfire: There was a combat sim infested with all kind of cheats and hacks together with lots of verbal abuse. I had long email conversations with the owner and he asked my help to clean the sim. Just to make screenshots and videos and send them to him was his request.

I did what was asked, sent him lots of videos made with sims own recording system and also Xbox ones, together with screenshots. After a while, numerous immortal and invinsible super pilots vanished and few remaining ones became just normal mortals. And I became the most hated person among those flying on the other side. Nowadays, when I up a fighter in there, most of them either ditch or pull the plug, some spit out an insult and log.

Reason for edit: msspllled wrods
The hero the entire gaming industry needs
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Dadtallica on June 17, 2023, 11:13:37 AM
101% agreed. On the other hand, every code written by a human being can be broken by another one.

Let me tell a true story how a good attempt may backfire: There was a combat sim infested with all kind of cheats and hacks together with lots of verbal abuse. I had long email conversations with the owner and he asked my help to clean the sim. Just to make screenshots and videos and send them to him was his request.

I did what was asked, sent him lots of videos made with sims own recording system and also Xbox ones, together with screenshots. After a while, numerous immortal and invinsible super pilots vanished and few remaining ones became just normal mortals. And I became the most hated person among those flying on the other side. Nowadays, when I up a fighter in there, most of them either ditch or pull the plug, some spit out an insult and log.

Reason for edit: msspllled wrods

The game?
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Animl-AW on June 17, 2023, 11:23:50 AM
Pretty sure HT has a grip on how to not stop it. It takes one to know how to stop one. Everything else is imagination and reckless assumptions.

"Enter HT and Pyro, a couple of very popular AW aces who also had some programming and art skills.

HiTech was a hacker-type, who made a gun camera for AW and a few other utilities. Eventually he, along with Killer, Gunjam and a few others decided to make their own sim. Thus began ICI and Warbirds. This was like 1995-1998. "

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/articles/simhistory/#scenarios
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: The Fugitive on June 17, 2023, 11:29:16 AM
Pretty sure HT has a grip on how to not stop it. It takes one to know how to stop one. Everything else is imagination and reckless assumptions.

"Enter HT and Pyro, a couple of very popular AW aces who also had some programming and art skills.

HiTech was a hacker-type, who made a gun camera for AW and a few other utilities. Eventually he, along with Killer, Gunjam and a few others decided to make their own sim. Thus began ICI and Warbirds. This was like 1995-1998. "

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/articles/simhistory/#scenarios

Hitech posted here

https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,288301.msg3661143.html#msg3661143
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Dadtallica on June 17, 2023, 12:41:02 PM
Pretty sure HT has a grip on how to not stop it. It takes one to know how to stop one. Everything else is imagination and reckless assumptions.

"Enter HT and Pyro, a couple of very popular AW aces who also had some programming and art skills.

HiTech was a hacker-type, who made a gun camera for AW and a few other utilities. Eventually he, along with Killer, Gunjam and a few others decided to make their own sim. Thus began ICI and Warbirds. This was like 1995-1998. "

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/articles/simhistory/#scenarios

Warbirds and Air Warrior are both on myabandonware.com. I think I played warbirds for a bit but not AW.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Animl-AW on June 17, 2023, 04:09:22 PM
Warbirds and Air Warrior are both on myabandonware.com. I think I played warbirds for a bit but not AW.

That's pretty cool. Lot of old games there I remember. And they complain about these graphics. HA! :)
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Animl-AW on June 17, 2023, 06:48:26 PM
Hitech posted here

https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,288301.msg3661143.html#msg3661143

Multiplayer combat sim history. Part of the trunk of the tree.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: Prayer on June 17, 2023, 08:44:26 PM
Was good going back and reading that thread from 2010. I played in top squadrons of both FA and AH during that time period. Good to see those names and a nice walk down memory lane. 2010 was good but 03 was better. Heck of a game. Sad to see the numbers going down, even worse to see names that have passed on or no longer play that were a big part of this community.

 If you contact HiTech is he able to pull up older handles that you have forgotten?
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: GasTeddy on June 18, 2023, 05:18:14 AM
The game?

WB
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: oboe on June 18, 2023, 07:41:26 AM
Not to hijack the thread, but needing help refreshing my memory.  In the early 2000s, the WWII multiplayer flightsim landscape consisted of the following:

Air Warrior (Kesmai, later Electronic Arts, who bought it and then shut it down)
WarBirds (iEN)
Aces High (HitechCreations)
Fighter Ace, Combat Flight Simulator 3 (Microsoft)
IL-2 Sturmovik (UbiSoft)
WWII Online (Playnet  Cornered Rat Software)

Today, we have:

Aces High III (HiitechCreations)
IL-2 Great Battles series (1C Game Studios)
DCS: WWII (Eagle Dynamics)
War Thunder (Gaijin)
World of Warplanes (Wargaing.net)

Is that about right?

Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: GasTeddy on June 18, 2023, 08:31:19 AM
^  WarBirds still exists. Become GDA, Green Ditching Arena.
Title: Re: Accusations Overload
Post by: CAV on June 19, 2023, 02:59:12 PM


WWII Online is still alive and mostly doing ok. Current WWIIOL 1.0 assets are being ported over to UE5 engine to form the basis of WWIIOL 2.0.

Sometime in the next two weeks.     :bolt:

CAVALRY