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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Urchin on May 16, 2003, 06:55:46 PM
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I'd rather have a setup like Sicily where one side has a completely dominate plane (that will embolden the pilots to FIGHT) than a setup like this where one side has the turning planes and the other side has the bore and zoom planes.
I managed to find some good fights by flying a P-47 and turnfighting it, but damned if you are going to find any Allied pilot ready to mix it up with less than 3 to 1 odds and an initial alt advantage. Boring.
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that how these set ups end up Bore N ZZZZZ the ijn has no way to catch umm.
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My kingdom for Franks.
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but 'till that day, I guess we'd have to endure.
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ended up in a betty for three sorties ...
that should tell ya something - I hate bombers
sad thing is - shot down 5 planes and a couple of assists in the three sorties and landed them all - better than I could do in a zero
what's the setup for 5/23????
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that how these set ups end up Bore N ZZZZZ the ijn has no way to catch umm.
Kinda like fighting 205's and 190's in Spits.:p
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the spit is the fastest diving plane in ah and holds e through out the pull out.
If you read what Urchins says hes implying that 109 190s and 205s stay and fight which allows the spits to have fun to. The opposite is true for p38 and jug pilots when they will come in with 5k dive in a completely un agressive fashion miss then extend away a sector or 2 to repeat it.
I'd rather have a setup like Sicily where one side has a completely dominate plane (that will embolden the pilots to FIGHT) than a setup like this where one side has the turning planes and the other side has the bore and zoom planes.
I managed to find some good fights by flying a P-47 and turnfighting it, but damned if you are going to find any Allied pilot ready to mix it up with less than 3 to 1 odds and an initial alt advantage. Boring.
Its all right there in bold in case ya missed it.
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Salute to the IJ players that aren't whining (which appears to be the vast majority).
A BIG salute to Keyapaha who fought my Corsair versus his Zeke to a draw.
The arena looks like it enjoys a fair amount of popularity on both sides.
Kudos for the setup and the welcome late pac change of pace.
Some minor wishes (no big deal but would be nice):
- The "standard" F4U paint back in late war setups.
- Since the fight pretty much stays an A30 vs A40 thang ... make A30 capturable too.
- Two fleets per side. Two carriers per fleet. Spawn points in the rear.
As far as complaints about planes designed to stay fast staying fast when they fight planes that were designed to turn ... that are turning - ROFL!
You'll find that when the Niki is taken to alt (as well as the Ki or Zeke) that it'll put a great deal of hurt on lower Allied planes (as most IJ players seem to know).
Another rather interesting tactic is to use the lap board to monitor where the enemy darbars are. The further away they start ... usually the higher they are. IJ planes climb pretty good but if you're more concerned about a co-alt/high-alt fight than you are a low-alt bounce, then keep `em on the deck. SA will save your cherry most times ... unless you're in a furball down there (oh wait ... those don't happen ;) ;) - nudge nudge).
Keeping those Japanese fleets regularly parked north and south of 40 seems like a good strat on your part. Flak puffs have been taking their toll on many planes above 2k (up to practically any alt reachable - and yes, I know ;)) and it does indeed give you refuge on the deck flying over them. It's a challenge having to deal with them.
Other than that ... crying about one side utilizing a tactic in a setup and claiming that your side never does when the plane strengths are inversed in a different terrain setup smacks of a great deal of hypocrisy and diaper rash. :D
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Has anyone ever seen Batz in the CT?:D
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Yes but you probably saw him as Wotan...even so, you don't see him in the MA as much lately (if at all) for probably the same reasons you don't see him in the TOD's and the CT anymore.
Things seem to be a bit porked (unbalanced) and it's just not fun constantly pushing a boulder up a hill. Especially when you complain that it's uphill both ways and nothing changes.
But that is just my interpretation :D
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"The "standard" F4U paint back in late war setups."
The paint job's are tied to the map and this is a late 43 paint job for a RNZAF unit based in the slot on Bouganville. In otherwords we cant realy just change it.
"Since the fight pretty much stays an A30 vs A40 thang ... make A30 capturable too."
All the bases on the map are capturable.
"Two fleets per side. Two carriers per fleet. Spawn points in the rear. "
The present map set up has one CV per country, we cant change this either it is tied to the map.
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I'm glad all the bases are capturable. Several players witnessed two full loads of drunks run into the maproom at 30, one group right after the other, without the base being captured.
As far as the other two requests are concerned, what I'm really askin for is a new terrain based on the Slot `42. I'm sure it's not an impossible task ... unless you're running XP like me and the terrain generator crashes the moment you try to open it. ;)
10Bears ... how hard is it to open a terrain in editor and make these changes? I'm willing to give it a shot but I'm just a little hesitant to carry through with the task of reformatting my damned Presario to Win 98 se - even though I threaten to every other day (program compatibility wizard my ass) . :)
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Flew a bunch of sorties with the Ki-61. Fine fighter, had no trouble downing P-47s, F4Us and P-38s. I didnt land all my sorties, but neither did they.
As for a great diving plane that holds its E? ya, its the Ki-61, dont need the Spit IX in Sicily to do that. In a shallow dive the 61 will hold enough smash to close most US a/c, and hold it long enough to get a good shot in.
As for Allied pilots doing XYZ. Every group flies different, some furball, some run, some grab, some dont. Same in MA. For me, I found plenty of fights tonight, I cant speak for others. Some posts sound more like boredom with Aces High disguised as a critique of the CT.
Bottom line, Its a fine setup, as good as any other. Surely ETO 1944 cant be the only CT setup we see?
p.s. Sehob, Buzz8 and Osage were all giving a good account of themselves in P-47s, P-38s, and F4Us, sunday night. to them.
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The problem is that not only do you have to flaten the town you have to flaten the base to take the field, their are some town buildings on the base that nead to flatend at the same time as the town does, basicaly lay wast to all the buildings on the entire field and the town and you will be able to take it.
10Bears is retiring from AH, or so I have been told, so changing this map might be a bit hard to do. Imo it is a huge improvement over the last slot map we had and other than the basees being hard to take a great map to be shure, and more so than any other map it has plane skins approparate to the theater it represent's.
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Flew a bunch of sorties with the Ki-61. Fine fighter, had no trouble downing P-47s, F4Us and P-38s. I didnt land all my sorties, but neither did they.
Current ct tour
as of 30 sec ago
Squire has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times in the Ki-61.
(http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/Info/squirect.jpg)
ok I see your point
:rolleyes:
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WOW, thats gota hurt......LOL
Or does he have another acount..........?, man I hope so.
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It would be nice if 30 and 40 were equally difficult to take then. Then again, I've never attempted to take 40 from the Allies. Is it supposed to be just as difficult? If so, it doesn't seem that way from the Allied perspective.
And I'm not putting down the terrain at all. I knew it was pressed into service for the late slot (and that's not a bad thing). My desire for the JR skin is obviously a personal preference linked to both the real life VF-17 as well as my squad, what we would like to see become the virtual counterpart someday. 10Bears terrain is one of the best. I'm sorry to hear he's retiring from making or editing them.
My desire for modifying the fleets to two double CV fleets on each side (and nothing else) is to hopefully promote a shift from using fleets primarily for shelling and setting up ack/flack barriers around enemy bases to the projection of air force on a mobile platform. But ... players dedicated to using fleets in a different manner will do so. The destroyer aaa barrier fleets are a bit of a nuisance. But it's not like I can't deal with them.
All in all, I'm not pressing hard for any of the above. I'm having a wonderful time in a late pac CT and appreciate the efforts.
Thanks to the whole team (you included). :) (Hehe .. breathe)
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Originally posted by Batz
Current ct tour
as of 30 sec ago
Squire has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times in the Ki-61.
He could be talking about MA experience, no? (edit - on second thought .. perhaps not ... with the comment about Sunday. Then again ... as suggested, he may not have flown as "squire")
Never-the-less ...
And the "current tour" makes it look like you've not flown once in the current CT setup ... so if your desire is to make Squire look foolish you may wanna leave off the whining about a setup you're not brave enough to try. ;)
See you in the CT. :D
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I can understand you wanting the F4U in US collor's, I wanted it in RNZAF collor's:), since every other map in AH has it in US collors I thought it was the least we could do to honour our allies who faught next to us their, Thats why the Boston is in RAAF collors, in fact it is the machine of an Austrailian who receaved a VC while flying one. WW2 was a World war and we have people from all over the world who fly it and honuring as many of them as we can is prety cool.
I see your point on the fleats, in the present set up I beleave eddick tryed limiting the total number of fleats to cut down on some of that, their hardness is also considerably lower now as well at 4K for a CV which means that 750 pounds will sink any other ship as aposed to the 1.564K that is normaly required.
AFIK non of the airbases have been taken so far on this set up in the CT, by either side, Some of the airfields have two towns tied to them and I beleave 30 is one of them.
Batz is Wotan of old and he flew in the CT on this same set up long ago we used to run this plane set around a year ago, he is also one of the most experanced and knoledgable people in Ah on this subject matter. And unless Squire has another account I dont think he neads any help in looking bad Arlo.
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Originally posted by brady
Batz is Wotan of old and he flew in the CT on this same set up long ago we used to run this plane set around a year ago, he is also one of the most experanced and knoledgable people in Ah on this subject matter. And unless Squire has another account I dont think he neads any help in looking bad Arlo.
I know who Batz is and how long he's been around and his relationship to the CT. I also know his opinion of this current setup in the Slot and I note he's not flown in it once.
I do see some skillful Zeke drivers flying this tour .. as well as those in the Tony and George. I have seen the odds, kills by one side vs. the other, tactics and numbers fluctuate back and forth and pretty evenly. I have noticed and appreciated the fact that my opponents are dedicated and aren't complaining (and are skilled). I've seen the same from my fellow Allied flyers.
There've even been low level furballs with numbers flexing from one side to the other. There's been numerous occasions of Hog drivers upping from 40 when multiple IJ aircraft have it capped. There's also been incidents of the inverse happening at 30. And yes, there've been pilots doing their best to exploit the strengths of their machines versus the weaknesses of their opponents.
Hearing complaints at the start of a this terrain/planeset rotation based solely on past experiences may be well and good for some but experience generally stops when one stops experiencing and reputation only glides so far past that. I've seen it elsewhere. And took it just as seriously then.
I'm sure there'll be plenty who flew this one that'll offer up opinions on their experiences. I'm willing to see how things are accepted by the group in the end.
If it ends up a consensus of Allied players enjoying it and Axis players not, then we go from there, I reckon.
But it certainly doesn't appear to be the "disaster" some predicted.
And if, by chance, HTC eventually adds to the planeset in the post - AHII world we look forward to experiencing ... so much the better.
:)
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A small percentage of players actualy post on the BBS on a regular basses and as most evrything else in life considering the source of anything is a good idea.
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Sure thing.
Consider the sources:
1: A player who's flying the current setup and will continue to through to the end and offers his opinions - pro and con - as things progress.
2: A player who flew something like it in the past (he may have even helped set it up) and is predisposed against it (or I suppose you can even say for it, for that matter).
3: A player who flew the current setup for an hour or two the first night and had some bad experiences and from that has formed and offered his negative opinion about it with no suggestions for improvement.
4: The player who doesn't post or read the forum and is (possibly) only a statistic on the CT rank page. (Well, this is obviously an immeasurable factor unless one wishes to compile the names and contact the players who were recorded as flying Niks, Hogs, Tonys and Hellcats via e-mail and hope for an honest and thoughtful response in lieu of being spammed.)
Yes, I agree ... as in all things in life .. the source must be considered. :)
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Try again Batz. :rolleyes:
Maybe you should look under the correct game id. Try Warloc.
I should know, I was there and saw most of his kills.
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I'll see you guys on Friday. I'm completely Pac'ed out, and I'm not even looking forward to the Squad Op on Friday cuz it's frame 4 of Pac.
Please can we have good old Western Europe action next week? :D
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So far been a good time been flyin all the Japanese rides except the N1K (i suck in that one) I have come to realize that if you can not either sneak up on or get the allied planes to turn the IJN flyers are in for a long and boring fight.Been flying the poor little A6M2 quite a bit and racked up only 7 kills aginst 11 losses and most of these fights have been long and drawn out,and yes the A6M2 does not match up well at all aginst the P38/47 unless someone is new to the plane(most are not).I think Ill try the Ki61 for the most part to try to learn it some more did ok in it last night but still can not land any kills in it.I still prefer the eatly Pac setups but so far this one is not to bad.
to all:)
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Excuse me all to hell for having a different opinion. Flame away. I could post my stats for the CT tour but I dont see why I should.
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Then he is 12-1 in the Ki-61.
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Originally posted by Batz
that how these set ups end up Bore N ZZZZZ the ijn has no way to catch umm.
This isn't exactly so.
In my first flight in this set-up last night I killed 2 P47's in the green Zero. All it took was a 3k alt advantage. At 400mph that Zero sure can't maneuver too well but fortunatly those P47's must have not known about it.
I'll fly IJN this set-up unless for some reason the numbers shift, but with all the uber Allied planes in this set-up I think I'll be offering wasabi enemas to the enemy for the duration.
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That's what we got here folks.. Whinners an' dweebs..
I don't know why y'all can't get a mission together. 1 part bombers to flatten the town.. 2nd part jabo's to kill the rest of it.. the horseshoe area by the gv spawn, the town buildings at the base itself.. then just bring in an m3 or a goon.. the maproom is right by the runway.
Can't get buffs?.. fine, park a fleet offshore and have somebody act as spotter for the shipgunners.. then bring onshore lvts.
Should be piece o' cake.. maybe a lil' harder than MA.. sposed to be eh.
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What we should do is post an areial photo of the targets to kill so they know what to hit.
All sweetying aside this map has some of the best looking bases in AH no matter what map and the general feal of it is unlike anyother, I think Pacific when I fly on it it has personality like no other map.
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Brady, I think "The Slot" is the best. I enjoy flying the P-47 and F4U and would like to see more of it. However, The fleet..NOT CVS..are a total pain in the ass. I know you are unable to change the settings for flak now without it affecting field ack. It would be nice to "re-design" the Slot to NOT allow the fleets to get withen five miles of land......just a thought...
Ironicly I was watching TV the other night. It was about the reporter (forgot his name) that shot the color footage from the Memphis Bell. He actually asked the pilot to get closer to the puffs of black smoke so he could get a better shot with the camera...LOL funny! I dont think he would have done that in AH!
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Ironicly I was watching TV the other night. It was about the reporter (forgot his name) that shot the color footage from the Memphis Bell. He actually asked the pilot to get closer to the puffs of black smoke so he could get a better shot with the camera...LOL funny! I dont think he would have done that in AH!
I saw that too...was thinking it was pretty funny myself.
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What about adding the FM-2 or allowing only -1's from CV's and moving F6F's to the fields?
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lol, that is prety funny:)
Eddick did ellect to limit the number of non CV fleats and to lower the hardness on the Ships Hawk, which were imo good choices, Just the rockets alone on the P38 can sink a Cruser at the present setting's, so while they can be a pain they are much easer to deal with curently, another thing is these bases have so many fuel and ammo bunkers and well dispersend and low profile hanger's that are protected by revitment's that it is almost imposable to lay waste to one of the fields with a Cruzer barage unless a bunch of guys spend 30 or more minutes at it. So at best they wind up being a nusance and can be avoided.
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Originally posted by 10Bears
That's what we got here folks.. Whinners an' dweebs..
I don't know why y'all can't get a mission together. 1 part bombers to flatten the town.. 2nd part jabo's to kill the rest of it.. the horseshoe area by the gv spawn, the town buildings at the base itself.. then just bring in an m3 or a goon.. the maproom is right by the runway.
Can't get buffs?.. fine, park a fleet offshore and have somebody act as spotter for the shipgunners.. then bring onshore lvts.
Should be piece o' cake.. maybe a lil' harder than MA.. sposed to be eh.
:rolleyes:
10bears ... I've sung your praises on this map time and again and still do. I mentioned three minor things I'd like to see eventually in a late slot type map in a post that was, for the most part, a glowing report of my experiences so far in "Slot 44-45."
One of the things I mentioned was fixing 30 to be capturable after witnessing then assisting in a mission that flattened all three towns, the port and the base and even both shore batts as fast as could be done with both air and fleet elements (with an occasional building popping up here and there but getting flattened again) followed by two groups of troops run into the maproom consecutively without the base getting captured. Slash can confirm. Based on those observations it looked uncapturable. I've been assured that it is indeed capturable and that 40 is not any easier or harder to take. Fine by me ... *ShruG*
I can understand you taking critisism of your work personally, especially since it's such a fine job and took alot of effort but since I said it was no big deal I don't know why you "zeroed" in on that one particular thing and chose to give this response.
The whine of this thread is how boring it is for the IJ player to have to deal with any other fighter than the F4F in a pacific CT setting since the fights take longer and landing lots of kills per sortie doesn't happen so much. Even then ... some hate it more than others and some don't seem to mind at all. All in all, most flying this late war slot seem to handle it fine so far.
Here .. once again ... , good job, thanks, wish you weren't retiring, you'll be missed, I appreciate ya, you're a good joe, three cheers for the Slot, thank you ... thank you ... thank you.
:D
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Originally posted by Jebo44
What about adding the FM-2 or allowing only -1's from CV's and moving F6F's to the fields?
Hi, Jeb. Great flying with yas the other night. I'll be up for more t'night. Gonna try to get some others up as well. :)
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lol Squire, touche! :)
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know who Batz is and how long he's been around and his relationship to the CT. I also know his opinion of this current setup in the Slot and I note he's not flown in it once.
I dont "fly" AH at all. I cant remember the last sortie I flew in the main or the CT.
My nic was wotan but I cancelled my account last December. I came back to help in Niemen. A scenario in which I had originally agreed to Co. Fariz took over when I quit and I told him I would help him when it started. My new nic "Batz" was just to be used for the 4 frames of Niemen. Before Niemen ended Guadalcanal was announced and in if I remember correctly I was asked if I would help and talked about it on our squad bbs. Brady showed intrest in co'ing his first event. I agreed to stay on and help him.
Now here comes the point behindg this post. When it was apparent that the nic batz would be in use I switched bbs nics so that my bbs nic matched my ingame nic. This is to avoid the confusion that arises from multiple names.
There is a guy Squire who flies AH with that name. Whudda thunk that someone else would have the same bbs nic with the same spelling.
But either way my point is still there and that was to agree with Urchin. I keep up on the ct as I was a ct cm and 2 of my squadmates are on the ct staff. I flew in the ct on hour 1, day 1 it opened. I know what it was and what its ended up as.
Its great that you all are finding it fun. Maybe things have changed. I remember Wilbuz and winging up in these setups and running kill count of 10+ in kis a6m5 and nikis. I killed 6 p51bs in a6m5 one sortie but I dont find the "killing" to be the fun part. Its the fight. I remember brady and I tearing umm up as well.
YMMV
10bears' map is awesome btw
S!
10bears
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Well ... ya oughta!
Batz ... if my arguing with ya or giving you a hard time is in any way part of the reason you're not flying then please don't let it be. If it's burnout, then you're not alone. I've seen alot of players either "taking a break" or "quitting" (which I hope ends up being "taking a break"). Even with our differences, I don't want to see anyone leave AH unless life forces them to take a "sabbatical". And even then, I hope they return as soon as they can (and that old excitement returns).
If I've given myself too much "credit" here, it doesn't change my sincere wishes for a return not only to the game but a return of enjoyment.
As I said, we may not see eye to eye ... but it's no fun fighting in an empty sky.
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Brady I havent tried to sink any with AC. I stoped that long ago, however, it is the flack thats the pain, not the bombardment. Its a flack issue for me, nothing else. I see guys complaining about it all the time, just dont see many consistant post about it.
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Well...People always do complaine about ack, ack huggers , ack hit , ack this ack that ect, other than limiting the fleats as eddick has done and making them easer to kill which he did as well, their is nothing we can realy do about it, nore imo should we, ack has a function after all and imo it is prety easy to work around, althought anoying at times, but it should be.
The upside is that now that the fleats in this set up are supper easy to kill, most have just Two Cruzer's and some DD's in them, once those Two Cruzer's are dead the fleat moves back to the point of orginen, and a single P38 can kill those two Cruzer's with ease.
The DD fleats are prety hard to get rid of thought, but I think these are the ones he has switched to rook, at least when I was dinking around in their this weekend I dident see any, but I did not look for them either.
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Fleet ack is beating the piss outa me.:mad:
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I just checked the areana setings and aparently after Skuzzy reset the areana we the staff forgot to reset the ack settings for all countries to .7 one of the countries was at 100.00 so this is most likely the culpret, I am realy sry for this :(.
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Thanks Brady
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I'm enjoying this CT more than any other we've had recently.
In the A6M2 vs. wildcat CT, Allies were only interested in HO's and ack running, but they have been willing to mix it up for the most part this time around.
Also, I haven't had as much to complain about with the fleet camping this CT. Ack hasn't been that bad and am yet to lose a plane to puffy ack.
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I'm glad the Ki-61 is involved this time :D
I think this plane is very underrated IMO
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I remain perplexed as to why some seem to take the opinion that only the Ki-84 is a decent IJ fighter, and dismiss the Ki-61. For starters, the Ki-84 only saw service in the Pacific starting in 1945 (very late 44 in the CBI) before then, the Ki-61 and the A6M5 were the two main types in the Pacific. It was clearly the best IJ fighter from 1943-44 and did all the hard fighting in NG and the Solomons, long before any N1K2s or Ki-84s saw service.
Used with determination and in enough #s, it is a very potent fighter. Heck, the version we had in Warbirds had the 4 x 12.7mm as armament only, and it was still a good fighter, when I heard the AH version had the 2 x 20mm cannon I thought "uh oh" its going to be a tough fighter, and it is!
AH needs the Ki-84, and I want to see it asap, dont get me wrong, but its not a mid war fighter, it belongs fighting the P-51Ds, P47D-30s and the F4U-1Ds.
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Originally posted by Drunky
I'm glad the Ki-61 is involved this time :D
I think this plane is very underrated IMO
Yup. The Tony v. P-38 fights have been outstanding. Probably the Nik is on the uber side, but it doesn't seem to be over-used like the Spits were in the Sicily setup last week. Would like to see all planes enabled from the GV bases to cut down on time-to-the-fight; otherwise I think this is a very nice setup.
- oldman
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Man I wish I could fly the Ki61 and N1K2 I totaly suck in these 2 IJ planes,I do fly them alot just cant get a grasp on them.The main problem is the view from the Ki61 is horribale,but a squadie told me about shifting your head pos around the canopy rails,I use only the default views didnt know you could shift your head around(silly me).Maybe this will help but doubt it to me I think the Ki61 is bad at everything cant climb,accelerate,turn,and ammo but can dive good but that does no good aginst a p38/47 or the f4u they can all catch it in a dive.
to those that can fly it sorry but I can not, but wil keep trying and dieing.:)
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For me, the Ki61 is just the sweetest Japanese ride. Its alot like the P-40E, except that it can disintegrate important pieces of the other fellow's plane with sub-200 yd snapshots. If you keep it in the middle of it fight too long though, you are in trouble.
Fighting the P-38 is an experience. Personally I have the most trouble with the '38, but I am also surprised how the jugheads are willing to mix it up with us at low level. Its surprisingly manueverable as well.
Just been a real enjoyable week in the CT for IJ flyers so far.
I like Oldman's idea of allowing spawning (fighters at least) of planes from the VHs to shorten the time to a fight.
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If all you guys want to do is fight in this map, then don't capture 30 and 40! Meet halfway and have a fun time! :) It's only about a 10-15 mile flight to the halfway point. We had some good fights in the '42 Slot between those two fields (until one side refused to go more than 5 miles from their field...)
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The CM's moved the front. I was happy with the A30 to A40 fites.
As for the plane set for IJ, I fly the N1k.
I find the Tony difficult to fly. Guns are a little easier to aim than the N1k, but the speed is just about a wash. I like the vertical capabilities of the N1k over the Tony and the better overall turning capabilities it has. I can catch almost any US plane if I have some alt, except maybe the F4u-1 if it has a full head of steam.
As for the guns, more difficult to aim, but hey, you get 900 rounds of cannon, so spray away.
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Originally posted by MrLars
This isn't exactly so.
Let me amend my statement, I've never seen more flat out running with no thoughts of engaging than in this planeset that I've ever seen in the MA. Extending to gain or regain advantage is one thing but running back to the nearest friendly base or hoard while holding their skirts up so they won't trip and < gasp > have to fight makes for a very boring time in the CT.
Looking forward to the next CT set-up, one that will hopefully be a bit more condusive to AtoA combat.
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Originally posted by MrLars
Let me amend my statement, I've never seen more flat out running with no thoughts of engaging than in this planeset that I've ever seen in the MA. Extending to gain or regain advantage is one thing but running back to the nearest friendly base or hoard while holding their skirts up so they won't trip and < gasp > have to fight makes for a very boring time in the CT.
Looking forward to the next CT set-up, one that will hopefully be a bit more condusive to AtoA combat.
Not me ... if anything I've seen the opposite. Sorry your experiences were worse than mine.
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bore and zoom planes
Ahhhhh, I stand corrected.
cheers!!
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Very fun last night(CET), numbers stayed even for a couple of hours .
Flew IJN with Yancyan and a few others, giving a few P38's a little scare when we dived on them with our A6M2's :D
Of course, it started to be less fun when Furball came in & started whoopin' my sorry old arse... ;)
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Originally posted by najdorf
The CM's moved the front.
Missed this before.
Shame on the CMs for "fixing" things once again on the slot map. Go ahead, cut it down to one allied base. :rolleyes:
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Other CT Staff suggested moving the front, but the final decision to move it or not was mine to make.
Only activity prior to the move was between A30 and A40. I decided the older hands might be right, and that the move might stimulate activity.
After watching the arena for the last couple days........they were right.
Last night was a blast. I flew IJN out of A37 and A5 along with some of the other Assassins and we gave a decent account of ourselves even in the "inferior" and "totally outclassed" Japanese planes.
To address the title of this thread: Whether or not a setup is "boring" is up to each individual pilot. It's all a matter of perspective. In each setup we have had, either side has the choice of making the setup interesting and mixing it up with the enemy, or playing it safe and making it "boring" for their opponents. It all boils down to what we, the players, do with what we are given each week. I got down on the deck yesterday afternoon in a P-47D11 and mixed it up with some A6M5b's, turn fighting and having a blast. And yes, I landed my sortie. Had I elected to stay high and fast and just annoy the heck out of those Zeroes, yep, that would have been boring, even for me.
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Breathe Eddiek :)
I was flying IJN all evening last night and had tremendous fun (didn't land much, but a lot of blue/silver planes have the mark of my boot on their bottoms :D). Yes the allies B&Z much, that's how they're supposed to do it, just taunt them on CH1, most will be fool enough to come turn with you (ok, not all of them, but... most).
I flew lower, with sometimes lower number, and I never had the time to get bored.
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Originally posted by eddiek
Other CT Staff suggested moving the front, but the final decision to move it or not was mine to make.
Only activity prior to the move was between A30 and A40. I decided the older hands might be right, and that the move might stimulate activity.
After watching the arena for the last couple days........they were right.
Last night was a blast. I flew IJN out of A37 and A5 along with some of the other Assassins and we gave a decent account of ourselves even in the "inferior" and "totally outclassed" Japanese planes.
To address the title of this thread: Whether or not a setup is "boring" is up to each individual pilot. It's all a matter of perspective. In each setup we have had, either side has the choice of making the setup interesting and mixing it up with the enemy, or playing it safe and making it "boring" for their opponents. It all boils down to what we, the players, do with what we are given each week. I got down on the deck yesterday afternoon in a P-47D11 and mixed it up with some A6M5b's, turn fighting and having a blast. And yes, I landed my sortie. Had I elected to stay high and fast and just annoy the heck out of those Zeroes, yep, that would have been boring, even for me.
Wrong answer. You're just as bad as Brady. What you did was arbitrarily decide to push the Allies into the corner to give the Axis side an artificial advantage. And yes, I'm not surprised the "old hands" talked you into it. It's just the sort of hypocritical one-sided logic I expected to surface (once again).
So now everything is fun and hunky dory for the IJ players. Well isn't that nice? That's been the excuse for every arbitrary change made to the Slot. The only time any change has been made that didn't negatively impact the Allied side has been when numerous posts were made in response to some stupid move made by the CT CMs.
If you notice, it didn't bother me all that much until I found out it wasn't a case of IJ players taking bases willy nilly (even if it may have been done in the total absense of Allied players) ... what bothers me is the CT CM staff having dumb arse kneejerk reactions at percieved problems.
Just for the record: You pushed the Allies into the corner of the map because you and a few other IJ players were "bored" and now that you've "fixed" things everything's ok because you and those whining IJ players are have tons more fun now and your kill ratio is much improved. That's what you're saying, right?
The CT CMs have had three chances to prove that they could run the slot without bias and have failed miserably everytime.
The first time the F4U was dumped (precipitating a domino effect on all sorts or aircraft) because it was being "abused (used).
The second time fleets were reset in the middle of an Allied assault because "they were impossible to sink" (in spite of players posting that they could sink them).
And now the Allies are pushed into the corner because, gosh darn it, those Hog, Lightning and T-bolt drivers are flying they way they're supposed to!
ROFL
Do you still wonder why CT numbers are low? They could easily be double what they are now. I've had no less than 10 players make the comment to me or on the country channel that they've had it and they'd rather put up with MA bs than fight in the CT where they end up having to fight the CMs as well as their opponent.
The Niki equalizes things just fine. And yes ... I know that first hand (as do three other Hog drivers who switched sides to equal things up). {Oh, Brady ... class act logging on and pooping yer diaper when you saw numbers were slewed ... yet we had things well in hand. We were sorely tempted to use the advantage to retake the bases your staff gave away to make things fun for everyone but we decided to go ahead and fly IJ for awhile. But knee-jerkin is your nature ;))
I tried .... I promoted it. You not only made my efforts futile but you shot yourselves in your collective feet as well. Target Rabaul is nearly in open beta and alot of players who would have been satisified flyinf Pacific CT setups (had they been left well enough alone) will gravitate there.
Once again ... the CT arena shouldn't be the "Pik As" personal sandbox. While you guys are busy patting each other on the back for the "selfless sacrifices" you're making for "the community", some are wondering why HT is letting you get away with squandering his resources and running off players.
Even I'm of the mind to tell ya to shove the CT up yer collective backsides and have someone call me when it's either under new management or the "old hands" learn exactly what the hell the phrase "fair and unbiased management" means. ;) :D
Once again .. have a nice fuggin' day. :)
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Do you realise that it is almost imposable to actualy take an airbase on this map? That in the whole weekend no bases were taken. That only a one bases front existed all weekend, and that the idea was to creat a two bases front which is better for everyone. The front could of been pushed up to 30 and 9 for the allies and prety much had the same effect, but by moving it south you have more bases to play for in the henderson area, and the US has the double bases at Henderson.
The main point is that the front is static since the airbases are to hard to take, so if the front cant move it doesent mater who get's pushed back as long as it makes for better fight's.
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Hey Arlo,
Lighten up man.
Only real change from moving the front was that all the action is between A5 and Henderson now instead of A30 and A40. I prefer A30 and A40 because it's a shorter flight.
But I really don't see how it gives the IJ forces any type of advantage, as a matter of fact, I think it makes it tougher for the Axis.
When it was A30 to A40, if we knocked the allies down it was easy to deack A40 whereas henderson is nearly impossible to deack so we can't sit there picking you off as you leave the runway.
I don't know anything about resetting the fleets so I won't comment on that.
In regard to removing the Corsair from the 42 slot which was supposed to feature the Wildcat vs. the A6M2, it was the right move. Speed differential on those two planes makes it impossible for that zeke to do anything.
CT is not about grabbing territory anyway. I only bother with that crap when there's no one on to dogfite. It's the restricted plane sets that make the CT tick and the change in geography does nothing to that aspect of the CT.
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A rant has been recorded. :p
Yeah, Arlo, I am a mean ole CT staffer. I purposely pushed the US forces back just to hurt their cause.
Yeah, right........me, the consumate Jug fan, wanting to screw up things just so the side I wanted to fly for would have an uphill battle.
Only reason I was flying Japanese last night was because the numbers WERE so out of whack. I'd much rather have been flying a P-47 and mixing it up, but because I wanted to try and help even the sides, I switched sides and flew for the Emperor's people.
You guys had more than enough numbers online last night to push the Japanese back. But, like myself, it seemed last night most of the folks in the CT were interested in furrballing and just having fun.
If anything, the US has a sizable edge in fighter-bomber capability. More than enough to push out of the "corner" you claim they have been put in.
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Originally posted by Squire
For starters, the Ki-84 only saw service in the Pacific starting in 1945 (very late 44 in the CBI) before then
Where do you get this tripe?
Seriously. Do you just spout stuff off the top of your head based on loose impressions of WWII history?
The Ki.84 entered service before the P-51D did and was in combat by April of 1944 (that is hardly late 1944). Ki.84s were part of the Japanese order of battle in the Philipines. The Ki.84 holds the distiction of having the highest one year production rate of any Japanese aircraft ever. That year was 1944.
If you don't know what you're talking about, don't say anything. It'll save you looking like a fool.
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Never mind it is pointless to offer an opinion in here.
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Did I say it entered service after the P-51D? no. I didnt.
Ki-84 entered service in CHINA in the summer of 1944. The next campaign it fought was in LEYTE PHILLIPINES in the PACIFIC in October 1944, after that OKINAWA, then HOME DEFENSE of JAPAN.
It never fought in New Guinea or the Solomons, or the Central Pacific.
I was only comparing it to the earlier service the Ki-61 gave, and added some comparison, for convorsational purposes. Cripes.
Why the personal attack was required, well, I dont know, but I hope you feel better.
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The 22nd Sentai flew the Ki84 in it's first combat service role in August of 1944 over China.
"If you don't know what you're talking about, don't say anything. It'll save you looking like a fool."
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Here is the info that is being eluded to:
In March of 1944, the experimental squadron that was conducting the service test trials of the Ki-84 was disbanded, and its personnel transferred to the 22nd Sentai.
This unit was re-equipped with production Hayates and transferred to China where it entered combat against the USAAF's Fourteenth Air Force in August of 1944.
The Ki-84-Ia quickly established itself as a formidable foe that compared favorably with the best Allied fighters then available. The Hayate had an excellent performance and climb rate, and had none of the shortcomings of the earlier generation of Japanese fighters, being well armed and possessing adequate armor protection for the pilot. In addition to the penetration and interception roles, the aircraft was used as a fighter-bomber and dive bomber.
The 22nd Sentai was later moved to the Philippines, where it was joined by the 1st, 11th, 21st, 51st, 52nd, 55th, 200th, and 246th Sentais.
Toodles Junior.
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Originally posted by brady
Do you realise that it is almost imposable to actualy take an airbase on this map? That in the whole weekend no bases were taken. That only a one bases front existed all weekend, and that the idea was to creat a two bases front which is better for everyone. The front could of been pushed up to 30 and 9 for the allies and prety much had the same effect, but by moving it south you have more bases to play for in the henderson area, and the US has the double bases at Henderson.
The main point is that the front is static since the airbases are to hard to take, so if the front cant move it doesent mater who get's pushed back as long as it makes for better fight's.
Oh bs. I mentioned I thought 30 was impossible to take then I was assured it wasn't and that all bases were equally hard or easy to take ... to which I responded fine by me, it wasn't that big a deal.
Don't hand me this "creating a two base front and improving the gameplay for all involved" bs. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that you pushed the Allies into the corner to give them less airspace to climb out and fewer bases to up from - which gives the Axis a huge advantage. It's not like Allied players can climb out east or south and everyone's seen the IJ forces come in with alt and have a field day. At least when the map is divided equally both sides have an equal ability to climb or not to, should they choose not to. You've convinced eddiek that shoving the Allied side into the corner and reducing their options was actually a wise and prudent action when in reality it's a biased and stupid one. Hell, you act as if the Niki can't climb worth a crap (or the A6 for that matter).
If you really think moving the fight to 30-9 would have the same effect ... do it. Neh ... you won't (or you won't tell eddie to). We both know why but I'll be the only one to admit it. :)
I was more than willing to hold off any further critical feedback until the end of this rotation but sure enough ya'll pull yet another boneheaded stunt that caters to one side and screws the other.
Good job! Keep it up. Before long the CT will weed down to basically the Axis side only and you can run:
Pacific Tide: The unopposed invasion of the West Coast.
:D
(Making a CT setup "fun" means compromise between the sides .. not catering to the side you prefer and when there's no more squeakin' smiling and congratulating yourself on a job well done. ;))
Oh ... and just so I don't unfairly lump all of the Axis players into the above category - once again ... and kudos to the 27th Sent. - through all of this they've been a class act (as are apparently most of the players who are members of dedicated IJ squads). I'm sorry the one's with the keys to the arena couldn't leave well enough alone. There was much potential for both the USN and IJN dedicated squads to have a good time in their preferred setting.
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Originally posted by eddiek
A rant has been recorded. :p
Yeah, Arlo, I am a mean ole CT staffer. I purposely pushed the US forces back just to hurt their cause.
Yeah, right........me, the consumate Jug fan, wanting to screw up things just so the side I wanted to fly for would have an uphill battle.
Only reason I was flying Japanese last night was because the numbers WERE so out of whack. I'd much rather have been flying a P-47 and mixing it up, but because I wanted to try and help even the sides, I switched sides and flew for the Emperor's people.
You guys had more than enough numbers online last night to push the Japanese back. But, like myself, it seemed last night most of the folks in the CT were interested in furrballing and just having fun.
If anything, the US has a sizable edge in fighter-bomber capability. More than enough to push out of the "corner" you claim they have been put in.
Can't have it both ways, eddie. Here we got Brady talkin `bout how damned near impossible bases are to take and you talkin as if the Allies coulda just waltzed right up through Bougainville. Bad move, padnah. You shoulda stuck with the game plan like you said you were gonna. :rolleyes:
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Arlo,
Just a couple of points. 27th Sentai was disbanded late last year, after I ran out of steam when yet another release came out sans Ki.84. Keyapaha took a few of the core pilots and started the 13th Sentai - I'm sure that's who you're thinking of. I came back in March and started to fly with them.
Last night was our squad night and at one point we were overwhelmed with P-47s who came in at 20-25K, so it is possible
to grab plenty of alt before engaging. No fights up there anyway - our planes are so useless up there we just don't go there. But I understand wanting the alt advantage, and it is still possible to achieve.
This has been a good setup, and its been the flyers who've made it. The Allies come over to our bases looking for fights and not afraid to mix it up for the most part. I'm used to seeing the front end of a Corsair bearing down on me, but its been a real pleasure to watch the 47s and 38s do their stuff.
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Originally posted by oboe
Arlo,
27th Sentai was disbanded late last year, after I ran out of steam when yet another release came out sans Ki.84. Keyapaha took a few of the core pilots and started the 13th Sentai - I'm sure that's who you're thinking of. I came back in March and started to fly with them.
Whoops ... i knew that. I remember talking one night with Slash about the 13th's origins which involved both the 27th sent. and VF-27 and that musta stuck in me head.
Apologies.
13th Sentai! (Get it right, Ensign Arlo) :D
And sure ... it's possible. But that's not the point. The point is the change was obviously designed to draw the fight down and make it more difficult for Allied pilots to climb. Alas, the same isn't true for the IJ side and yes .. there's Niks climbing to 20k ... just because it's possible for some Allied players to. It was an arbitrary change made "to make things more fun" by reducing the options of the Allied side. Bad decision ... wrong formula. There are several Allied pac types who have said "no more" because of this. Don't let people sell you their rationalization that this was a wise decision that the CT arena will profit from. Losing players on either side with the numbers as low as the CT has is bad. But if this is really your opinion and you're sticking with it, what can I say? none-the-less.
I still say the CT CM staff needs to pull their heads out when it somes to the Slot. *ShruG* :D
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No apologies necessary, Arlo. No harm, no foul.
I still don't quite get the problem you have with the new front, though. From my point of view, the fights are still 5 minutes away, generally between 12K and sea level, and either over the IJ base or the Allied base, or somewhere in between (except last night there were two fights - one where the Allies were attacking a IJ fleet, and the other in the more traditional lanes between the closest opposing bases). And as I saw, it was still possible
for the Allies who wanted to take the time and climb to nosebleed alts before heading to the fight. When they come in high, I just gotta dodge 'em and drag them down.
Of course, just because I don't see the problem doesn't mean one doesn't exist. I thought there was a little more variety possible with the latest front change, since the IJ could up from 2 bases instead of one, but I can also see how too much tinkering by the CMs during the setup could be viewed negatively. Nobody tried to sell me anything - I logged on saw the new front, and just figured someone had done some base capturing in the off hours...
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Geez, you guys *think* of all this base capture thing when you take off? No wonder you're not having fun Arlo ;)
Just shoot the red guy, you'll see... it's fun!
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Shooting the red guy is fun. :D I was told bases can't be captured on this map unless the CM helps. ;)
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Also, my apologies to the CT staffers for continually referring to them as CMs. Old dog and all that rot.
toodles
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Originally posted by Kweassa
My kingdom for Franks.
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but 'till that day, I guess we'd have to endure.
hehe Frank 1a and the Frank1c hubba hubba!!!!
Tojo is pretty damn cool too!!
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Originally posted by oboe
toodles
Toodles??? Whats that Oboe? Did you go poopoo in your pants or something bud?;)
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LOL no its something Mr. Burns said on "The Simpsons" after he laid off his entire staff. My boys are big fans and I occasionally see an episode or three myself.
There are rounds and rounds of entire departments being laid off at my company right now, so its something I imagine the execs saying as they sign the layoff orders...
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EEEKK. Wasn't that going on last Summer too? Poor folks that are on the bubble.:(
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Ah, they were just gearing up for it last summer. Its been going
on department by department for a year or so now, as they transfer functions to the new office. I can't imagine I'll last out the year, but it'll be good to finally get out of here, even though it means starting over somewhere else. I've got 18 yrs in so if they continue to offer severance I should be alright for a while.
As Tom Petty says, the waiting is the hardest part...