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Help and Support Forums => Aces High Bug Reports => Topic started by: Latrobe on February 28, 2014, 01:12:29 PM
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Someone was calling an alert on base A151. I took a quick look at it and saw a very tiny dar bar so just shrugged it off as not important. A minute or two later there's an alert on A151 for a huge P-38 raid. I again take a look at 151 and see a small dar bar, nothing indicating a large scale raid. A few seconds pass and I suddenly remember that dar bars are very broken and should never be trusted so I take a quick screen shot of before and after I go to 151.
This is before I go to A151. Tiny dar bar, no threat.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n101/Latrobe_2006/ahss20_zps8146422b.png) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Latrobe_2006/media/ahss20_zps8146422b.png.html)
This is 1 second later when I switch to A151 tower. Multiple P38s over the town well over 200 feet, several more out of shot above the base at about 2-5K.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n101/Latrobe_2006/ahss21_zpsdc8ad590.png) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Latrobe_2006/media/ahss21_zpsdc8ad590.png.html)
I believe this is a bug. Can we get it fixed?
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Popped up from NOE across the water.
Canukk is there. They'll all be dead in a minute anyway.
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Actually they weren't NOE. Town was hit heavily by them and they had been circling the base and town for a little bit already, that's why some of them were over 3K and not on the deck.
BTW, these two screenshots are quite literally 1 second apart. Unless a P38 can somehow climb from under 200ft to 3-5,000ft in under 1 second I don't believe this was an NOE raid.
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Just FYI it takes a while for every icon on the map to update. There is likely enough time to pop up and climb 3-5 k, depending on when your position was last updated.
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I have had things like this too lately and recently vs my memory of when I started the game 1.5yrsish ago.
The other nite I was heading into a base in the middle of the sector, as I planned out my attack, feeling secure from anything above as there had been no dar bar the entire flight over there, pop, there's a high pony, I'm at 10kish he's at 15Kish. This base in the middle of the sector, how'd he not create a dar bar for ~8mins to get where he was? He didn't just pop into the middle of the sector, and he didn't just hop up to 15K in a matter of the dozen or so seconds it should take the entire map to update.
I'm not sure if it could be something on my end, or in Latrobe's case, something on his end that would cause not seeing a dar bar that other ppl do???
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They are broken when you find 4x me163 around you and hear them near you at 35,000 feet before an enemy dar displays in your sector.
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I think that part of this is probably the function of radar and I could be wrong and im not EXACTLY sure how it is for the dar bar but I imagine its probably similar. I was playing around in a custom arena not to long ago looking at all the different settings and such and I noticed that there is a time cycle for the radar (assuming it may just be for the actual radar ring) and it was default to I believe every 6 seconds, so maybe its the same for dar bar as well it only updates ever 6 seconds or whatever the arena setting is, which would explain the delay in a dar bar showing up. Assuming of course that the 38's were in fact NOE before they arrived to the field. I could be way off and maybe I miss understand the settings but its just my thoughts on the matter.
:salute
8thBuff
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It would be nice to have a description in the FAQ of how the radar bars are supposed to work. IIRC it's more complicated than is generally assumed.
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it is range based being on the otherside of the map is why you didn't see it. I believe they intended it like this so that people don't bail and instantly up at the field under attack.
never trust scanty radar information.
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does not matter how far away you are. Sometimes nme ac have to be in sight to show a dar bar.
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does not matter how far away you are. Sometimes nme ac have to be in sight to show a dar bar.
I have a screenshot of that instance too! An enemy plane at about 7K that I can visually see, less than 10K away from me and there was no dar bar. I remember on Uterus map when it was up in the MA we were hitting one of the northern bases early in the morning trying to capture it. There were 3 enemy planes at 10-15K defending and none of them were creating any dar bar. Everyone at that base saw the same thing. Most of us were even dogfighting them and still no dar bar showed. Unfortunately I don't have any screenshots of that instance.
Wonder if HTC will pop in and give us a detailed explanation of how dar bars really work. I always thought they were suppose to indicate there are enemy planes in the area and to be aware when flying in that sector.
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I do know that if I bust dar when flying a noe lancaster mission to down HQ, the enemy immediately sees a dar bar.
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Someone was calling an alert on base A151. I took a quick look at it and saw a very tiny dar bar so just shrugged it off as not important. A minute or two later there's an alert on A151 for a huge P-38 raid. I again take a look at 151 and see a small dar bar, nothing indicating a large scale raid. A few seconds pass and I suddenly remember that dar bars are very broken and should never be trusted so I take a quick screen shot of before and after I go to 151.
This is before I go to A151. Tiny dar bar, no threat.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n101/Latrobe_2006/ahss20_zps8146422b.png) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Latrobe_2006/media/ahss20_zps8146422b.png.html)
This is 1 second later when I switch to A151 tower. Multiple P38s over the town well over 200 feet, several more out of shot above the base at about 2-5K.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n101/Latrobe_2006/ahss21_zpsdc8ad590.png) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Latrobe_2006/media/ahss21_zpsdc8ad590.png.html)
I believe this is a bug. Can we get it fixed?
LOL until I saw the pics, I had forgotten about the little anime cursor I made you.
:cheers:
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LOL until I saw the pics, I had forgotten about the little anime cursor I made you.
You just solved the only thing that was puzzleing me about this thread. I was already aware of the broke dar bar.
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You just solved the only thing that was puzzleing me about this thread. I was already aware of the broke dar bar.
and me as well
:rofl
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If a dar bar appears as Im approaching a enemy airfield i look to my high 6. :uhoh
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There are times when I can see a darbar in a sector and some of my squaddies can't, and vice versa.
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This happened to me the other day. I was doing a fightersweep with a fellow countrymen who kept insisting there was a growing bardar in the sector next to us, of which I could not see on my map. We went over and checked, and sure enough, his darbar was correct, and mine was still showing nill. Wasn't thinking quick enough to take a screenshot. It was like 4am.
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LOL until I saw the pics, I had forgotten about the little anime cursor I made you.
:cheers:
Is that Miku?
:confused:
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Is that Miku?
:confused:
I have no idea, latrobe knows though.
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Just in case more proof is needed. That blue dot SE of A112 is a squadmate who is currently flying over the top of 15 sets of B17s currently at 3-4K. I see very little to no dar bar at all. Everyone else in the squad is claiming to see little or no dar bar as well.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n101/Latrobe_2006/ahss41_zpsffec8866.png) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Latrobe_2006/media/ahss41_zpsffec8866.png.html)
This is how close I had to get before the dar bar finally displayed correctly.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n101/Latrobe_2006/ahss42_zps17fcd92e.png) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Latrobe_2006/media/ahss42_zps17fcd92e.png.html)
And there's the bombers at about 8K still displaying little or no dar bar for squadmates further away.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n101/Latrobe_2006/ahss43_zps5f6902fc.png) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Latrobe_2006/media/ahss43_zps5f6902fc.png.html)
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Just in case more proof is needed. That blue dot SE of A112 is a squadmate who is currently flying over the top of 15 sets of B17s currently at 3-4K. I see very little to no dar bar at all. Everyone else in the squad is claiming to see little or no dar bar as well.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n101/Latrobe_2006/ahss41_zpsffec8866.png) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Latrobe_2006/media/ahss41_zpsffec8866.png.html)
This is how close I had to get before the dar bar finally displayed correctly.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n101/Latrobe_2006/ahss42_zps17fcd92e.png) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Latrobe_2006/media/ahss42_zps17fcd92e.png.html)
And there's the bombers at about 8K still displaying little or no dar bar for squadmates further away.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n101/Latrobe_2006/ahss43_zps5f6902fc.png) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Latrobe_2006/media/ahss43_zps5f6902fc.png.html)
Could it have just been lucky timing as the strats are just of the coast and they were getting hit all night. Dar was down and rebuilding as you closed? You screen captures don't show any other "dots" or bars anywhere.
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Could it have just been lucky timing as the strats are just of the coast and they were getting hit all night. Dar was down and rebuilding as you closed? You screen captures don't show any other "dots" or bars anywhere.
I see dar bars in both pics.
I would not make excuses for this bug. Its been talked about for years now. :old:
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Could it have just been lucky timing as the strats are just of the coast and they were getting hit all night. Dar was down and rebuilding as you closed? You screen captures don't show any other "dots" or bars anywhere.
I am one of the other squaddies, it went down as told. Grizz was with the bombers the whole time and showing a full dar on his map, none of us were showing anything more than the smallest slice of dar bar possible until we got close to or within dot vis range.
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I am one of the other squaddies, it went down as told. Grizz was with the bombers the whole time and showing a full dar on his map, none of us were showing anything more than the smallest slice of dar bar possible until we got close to or within dot vis range.
That seems to be the behavior. I've had similar things happen with squaddies in the past. Guys calling out bandits, I don't see it on bardar for minutes until I get into something resembling dot range.
Wiley.
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Just in case more proof is needed. That blue dot SE of A112 is a squadmate who is currently flying over the top of 15 sets of B17s currently at 3-4K. I see very little to no dar bar at all. Everyone else in the squad is claiming to see little or no dar bar as well.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n101/Latrobe_2006/ahss41_zpsffec8866.png) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Latrobe_2006/media/ahss41_zpsffec8866.png.html)
This is how close I had to get before the dar bar finally displayed correctly.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n101/Latrobe_2006/ahss42_zps17fcd92e.png) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Latrobe_2006/media/ahss42_zps17fcd92e.png.html)
And there's the bombers at about 8K still displaying little or no dar bar for squadmates further away.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n101/Latrobe_2006/ahss43_zps5f6902fc.png) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Latrobe_2006/media/ahss43_zps5f6902fc.png.html)
Latrobe! Is your cursor Hatsune Miku?
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Latrobe! Is your cursor Hatsune Miku?
Yes :) Isn't she just awesome! :x :x
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Yes :) Isn't she just awesome! :x :x
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/4BVk4k_nEM4/maxresdefault.jpg)
NO
Ren and Lin :)
Oh and if you haven't seen SnK I'm going to rip your arm off :)
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Rin and Len! :x
I love all the Vocaloid! Yes, I've seen it. Please no arm ripping. :uhoh
(I think this thread is getting a little off topic :) )
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Rin and Len! :x
I love all the Vocaloid! Yes, I've seen it. Please no arm ripping. :uhoh
(I think this thread is getting a little off topic :) )
Good. Was afraid I'd have to end up ripping you in half, like Marco. :D
Anywho, yes I've seen multiple accounts of this recently, but I forgot to take screen-shots. :bhead
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For 2 sectors watching map in climb out and transit entire time, no darbar entire time. Get target town in sight, set salvo in F4U-D, see red icon way above me and closing, I'm at 10k, here comes VV's N1k at at least 13K, sure enough look at map now there's darbar.
What gives? Does HTC need film of this, I and many others have it if you do.
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Bug or game feature? I notice it a lot and confirm it with squaddies. Don't recall it acting like this in the past. Latrobes pics are consistent with what I see.
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Bug or game feature?
Inconsistent (very much so), undocumented, irritating.
IMHO clearly a bug.
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Definitely a bug. Last night flying to A39 from A38, A39 showed no enemy activity in their sector. When I was in the middle of A39's sector, I spotted 4 Bishops at 20k+ so I looked at 'dar and it was still showing 0 enemy in the sector. This isn't only in the LW arena, it is also present in the MW arena and I'm sure it's also happening in the EW arena.
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