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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BaronVonDeath on June 29, 2017, 09:21:44 AM
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Ok, so it looks like Steam is heading our way. I don't like it but not my decision, I only know EA killed Air warrior.
Question, will there be a new fee?
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Steam would not be required in any way, and people will still be able to download the game from anywhere and pay via the same methods they are now. Steam would just be a new payment system.
HiTech
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I only know EA killed Air warrior.
Steam is not a publisher that funds the product and expects the product to make money, it is only a distribution platform that takes % of sales for the benefits it provide.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?topic=15603.0
I would like to quote a post from this topic from 2001
W was one of the $9.95 all you can eat sims, right?
Not quite. AW was one of the oldest games around of the "$9.95 all you can eat" type. AW's problemwas that besides the AW3 graphics change, it just .....never changed. All the features promised for AW II never made it into AW III either. The final AW slide to this point has been in the making for over 4 years IMO when they failed to do anything with the program the last time they had a chance..
You can only rest on your laurels for so long before community innovation and veteran interest starts to wane. 'Maintenance Mode" = online death. Especially when competition arrives on the scene as WB's did, then Fighter Ace and now AH.
I've yet to see any threat of AH settling for "status quo" or heading for "maintenance mode."
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:aok
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I would like to propose a fee structure change for AH. Charge a nominal fee for the two week trial (say 2.00 or so) if and when AH3 goes to steam (but not before)
My kids and I have had steam for quite a while and spend at least $200.00 per year on steam products. It seems to me that a bunch of ppl jumping into the game for a free two week trial could overload the game and cost Hi Tech more money to support them. Also, many cheaters abuse the two week trial feature. I understand the need for a free two week trial if you are not in a distribution network like Steam but think a two week trial is not needed for an old and established game like AH3 once it is on Steam.
It's a psychological thing too, if you do move yourself to pay the 2.00 aren't you serious about the game and be more willing to pay the $15? It would weed out a lot of the tourist loser bigmouths kids for sure.
Steam runs a LOT of specials, let them, then the two week trial is free from time to time or like .88 cents or so depending on the special. Let Steam do the game's marketing and let Hi Tech and Skuzzy do the real work they love to do. Which is making the best WW2 sim in the known universe.
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I don't like it but not my decision, I only know EA killed Air warrior.
You really can't compare EA killing off AW to get the network code to HiTech's thinking of putting the game on Steam.
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Let Steam do the game's marketing and let Hi Tech and Skuzzy do the real work they love to do. Which is making the best WW2 sim in the known universe.
Some good words here, Steam is very good at marketing.
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I would like to propose a fee structure change for AH. Charge a nominal fee for the two week trial (say 2.00 or so) if and when AH3 goes to steam (but not before)
My kids and I have had steam for quite a while and spend at least $200.00 per year on steam products. It seems to me that a bunch of ppl jumping into the game for a free two week trial could overload the game and cost Hi Tech more money to support them. Also, many cheaters abuse the two week trial feature. I understand the need for a free two week trial if you are not in a distribution network like Steam but think a two week trial is not needed for an old and established game like AH3 once it is on Steam.
It's a psychological thing too, if you do move yourself to pay the 2.00 aren't you serious about the game and be more willing to pay the $15? It would weed out a lot of the tourist loser bigmouths kids for sure.
Steam runs a LOT of specials, let them, then the two week trial is free from time to time or like .88 cents or so depending on the special. Let Steam do the game's marketing and let Hi Tech and Skuzzy do the real work they love to do. Which is making the best WW2 sim in the known universe.
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LOL Vraciu, I was going to say in my original post that any old timer that was against this idea ran shade accounts and doesn't want to have that end, but I won't say it...
It would be rude to call ppl cheaters just because they want to keep the free two week trial, even after playing the game for many years.
After all I wouldn't have any proof...
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I would like to propose a fee structure change for AH. Charge a nominal fee for the two week trial (say 2.00 or so) if and when AH3 goes to steam (but not before)
My kids and I have had steam for quite a while and spend at least $200.00 per year on steam products. It seems to me that a bunch of ppl jumping into the game for a free two week trial could overload the game and cost Hi Tech more money to support them. Also, many cheaters abuse the two week trial feature. I understand the need for a free two week trial if you are not in a distribution network like Steam but think a two week trial is not needed for an old and established game like AH3 once it is on Steam.
It's a psychological thing too, if you do move yourself to pay the 2.00 aren't you serious about the game and be more willing to pay the $15? It would weed out a lot of the tourist loser bigmouths kids for sure.
Steam runs a LOT of specials, let them, then the two week trial is free from time to time or like .88 cents or so depending on the special. Let Steam do the game's marketing and let Hi Tech and Skuzzy do the real work they love to do. Which is making the best WW2 sim in the known universe.
I actually happen to think that's a good idea. The extra 2 dollars would bring more value to the business, and it would weed out evil little children. People who would have never known about a 2 week free trial, Might think 2.00 or 5 for a month, is a really solid deal. At least you'd make a buck even if they hated the game and never came back. Something to think about.
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Charging people for the trial period is not a good way to drum up business.
Extend the free 2 week trial period into a 30 day trial is far better of a solution and there are measures that HTC could put in place that would prevent abuse of the trial periods.
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Charging people for the trial period is not a good way to drum up business.
Extend the free 2 week trial period into a 30 day trial is far better of a solution and there are measures that HTC could put in place that would prevent abuse of the trial periods.
Agreed.
- oldman
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Charging people for the trial period is not a good way to drum up business.
Extend the free 2 week trial period into a 30 day trial is far better of a solution and there are measures that HTC could put in place that would prevent abuse of the trial periods.
I would have to agree as well! True, there will be some who try to ride out the "Free trial" repeatedly, but AH tracks the ISP. At least I think they do? Not sure how many people know how to spoof an ISP or would even try too. Percentages of those occurrences would be fairly low? I know I was hooked by week 1 and a month should definitely seal the deal :aok
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Extend the free 2 week trial period into a 30 day trial is far better of a solution and there are measures that HTC could put in place that would prevent abuse of the trial periods.
I have to say that my addiction was fully involved by about day 24 of playing this game. The monkey hasn't left my back since.
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Whatever HTC decides... he decides :aok
At this point in the thread, any arguments pro or con
are useless... I am con, those that are pro and those
on the fence will not affect his decision :cheers:
However, I still will stick to my guns, those who
use Steam as a portal to AH may invite a virus, malware, ads, etc.
:rock
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You may have a legitimate reason to be against charging for the 2 week trial but the "marketing" AH3 has had so far stinks. The free 2 week trial has not worked and will not work. If it had would we have seen steadily shrinking numbers over these last years? It's time for a change in thinking.
Steam is a marketing portal, let it market, they would run all sorts of specials using the two week fee, reducing it and bumping it back up, believe me they know what they are doing as all I ever hear from my kids is about some steam special coming up and can they buy this or that game.
Now I understand your old timer emotional attachment to the game and the desire to see no changes, after all its working for you. BUT, I tell you this game is toxic for newcomers. WE need new thinking and new ideas, and new innovations or this game that you love so much is dead and I mean DEAD. To the gaming community at large this game already is dead judging by what my 5 teenagers say about Dad's game.
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You may have a legitimate reason to be against charging for the 2 week trial but the "marketing" AH3 has had so far stinks. The free 2 week trial has not worked and will not work. If it had would we have seen steadily shrinking numbers over these last years? It's time for a change in thinking.
Steam is a marketing portal, let it market, they would run all sorts of specials using the two week fee, reducing it and bumping it back up, believe me they know what they are doing as all I ever hear from my kids is about some steam special coming up and can they buy this or that game.
Now I understand your old timer emotional attachment to the game and the desire to see no changes, after all its working for you. BUT, I tell you this game is toxic for newcomers. WE need new thinking and new ideas, and new innovations or this game that you love so much is dead and I mean DEAD. To the gaming community at large this game already is dead judging by what my 5 teenagers say about Dad's game.
Except a great deal of the stuff that I like is mutually exclusive with a lot of the stuff that your 5 teenagers would want out of it. If I wanted those types of gameplay, I'd be playing something else. As usual, why does everything absolutely have to change? They haven't added a new piece to chess in quite some time, the game still seems to work.
Wiley.
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See Rule #4
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Who said I wanted to keep the kids out? I just happen to like the base idea and gameplay here. It's the only game that offers it. Sure there's room for improvement but a lot of the ideas that get thrown around are basically to change the entire game into something it's not, which is decidedly unappealing to me. Nothing to do with competing with the kids.
Wiley.
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In reply to your question Wiley, we need change because what we have been doing is NOT working. Has the two week trial stopped the declining numbers? Has the graphic upgrade brought the numbers back up?
You may like the game as is but I tell you the game has become toxic as the numbers decline. I've seen a lot of grumpy ppl cause they can't get a good game (me included).
I suggested the two week trial fee, ONCE WE GO TO STEAM AND NOT BEFORE, to weed out the ppl who are not serious about the game and to let steam have some meat to market with. (Steam uses specials all the time in which trial fees are slashed or waved, believe me that marketing strategy works).
I see ppl threaten all time in this forum about how they are going to quit if there are changes. (not talkin about you Wiley in this part) I say let Hi Tech call all you all's threats and bluffs. That's just bullying HiTech because you all know there's been a decline. I say come up with new ideas to bring ppl in and stop worrying about your precious score!
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Fantastic news August
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I suggested the two week trial fee, ONCE WE GO TO STEAM AND NOT BEFORE, to weed out the ppl who are not serious about the game and to let steam have some meat to market with. (Steam uses specials all the time in which trial fees are slashed or waved, believe me that marketing strategy works).
The free trial system has nothing to do with declining numbers. I suggest leaving the trial system the way it is. on or off steam and if I understand this correctly, steam has nothing to do with how much we pay to play AH, or even charging us we pay HTC like we do now. the HTC 2 week FREE trial has worked for 18 years, or however long they have used it. you said to weed out people who are not serious about the game, a 2 week free trial gives the people a chance to see if it's for them, if they like it or not. and you keep saying we this we that, as far as I know you don't work for HTC, you should be saying HTC this or HTC that, or HiTech this and that. well we can come up with all the ideas and post them, if HTC likes them they will use them at one time or another. always good to have people with new ideas.
another thing when the word or phrase is used as in "2 week trial" it usally means free trial, oooooohhhh I just thought of something- a trial usually means money back if not satisfied, do you suggest giving the money back if they don't like it? :bolt:
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steam is great, keeps your games updated while you sleep. most important feature imo.
I havent even been playing much for the last few years, finally got a PC that can play the new version maxxed out, and i still dont play much.. maybe an hour in the last few months.. I have been paying the whole time tho :neener: :rolleyes:
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hey kvuo where is Jeff? tell him i mis him and look forward to hearing his voice again. :devil
:eek:
:salute
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hey kvuo where is Jeff? tell him i mis him and look forward to hearing his voice again. :devil
:eek:
:salute
he lives out of state and doesn't have a pc anymore for some reason :furious
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LOL Vraciu, I was going to say in my original post that any old timer that was against this idea ran shade accounts and doesn't want to have that end, but I won't say it...
It would be rude to call ppl cheaters just because they want to keep the free two week trial, even after playing the game for many years.
After all I wouldn't have any proof...
Being a :old:, I do not have a "shade account" and so I resent lumping all :old: in the same category
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Steam has shared newest info about player numbers
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDrl3R9XsAAMTub.jpg)
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I'm not one of those..... and I did not sign up just to vote.
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Ditto
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Getting AH on Steam would bring in new players.
My son has AH on his Steam list now and a some of his friends have shown interest in AH. and the ones that have tried it like it. they rave about how much better the FM is and how skilled the pilots are in AH. I have to agree that we have among us some of the worlds best virtual pilots. they like the challenge that AH presents to them.
With a few promo specials and the exposure that Steam has to offer it would be a plus for the AH community IMHO.
would like to see our numbers in the 500's+ at any given time again.
there is nothing on steam that offers the flight model and community of AH. Most of the foundation of this community came from AW and WB and made it home. there are no real flight sim communities offered on steam like ours and many people who play the so called flight sims on offered on steam now are looking for just what we have here in our little piece of the cyber world. let let them know that there is a place for the steam people who are like minded and love combat sims as much as we do to call home.
besides.... we have clubbed all of our sheep to death and need some new ones to beat on :devil
HT has and always will control the destiny of AH and that's how we like it.
Petey
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Petey... hurray for your first post. The sheep kind of gives you away though. :D
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yeah changed my handle <g>
could use long time lurker..... first time poster :D
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Eeeek are you guys ready for the new blood who dont care to play by your rules and will fight however they want? I hope millions of those people start playing this game...maybe ill come back then :D
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Eeeek are you guys ready for the new blood who dont care to play by your rules and will fight however they want? I hope millions of those people start playing this game...maybe ill come back then :D
I hear about 40,000 just got the ban hammer. LOL
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You may have a legitimate reason to be against charging for the 2 week trial but the "marketing" AH3 has had so far stinks. The free 2 week trial has not worked and will not work. If it had would we have seen steadily shrinking numbers over these last years? It's time for a change in thinking.
Steam is a marketing portal, let it market, they would run all sorts of specials using the two week fee, reducing it and bumping it back up, believe me they know what they are doing as all I ever hear from my kids is about some steam special coming up and can they buy this or that game.
Now I understand your old timer emotional attachment to the game and the desire to see no changes, after all its working for you. BUT, I tell you this game is toxic for newcomers. WE need new thinking and new ideas, and new innovations or this game that you love so much is dead and I mean DEAD. To the gaming community at large this game already is dead judging by what my 5 teenagers say about Dad's game.
IT HAS WORKED FOR 16 OR 17 YEARS-you say the 2 week free trial isn't working, BUT YOU THINK CHARGING FOR A 2 WEEK TRIAL WILL, that's just nuts.
you ever look a gift horse in the mouth, 2 week free trial vs paying a 2 week trial. hmmm i'll take the free one.
you and nugetx must have used the 2 WEEK FREE TRIAL to play AH3 to make all your comments and wishes. would you had paid a fee to play and do the same, are you 2 professional game suggestion makers? find a game to complain about and make suggestions about it.
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Fantastic news August
Did HTC decide it will try Steam? I hope so. I'm hoping that it will bring in more players -- we need that.
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:x cool :x
Two weeks
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