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Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Krusty on October 10, 2006, 02:22:25 PM
Bring suggestions/images to this thread. I figured I'd make one for BOB'06 because Stalin's and Downfall's threads are in here.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: skernsk on October 15, 2006, 10:06:38 AM
I would assume that the images are already handed in and done but if not here is one I whipped up.

(http://www.332nd.org/dogs/skernsk/bob4%20copy.jpg)
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Dace on October 15, 2006, 10:19:24 AM
Very nice skernsk.:aok
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Krusty on October 15, 2006, 10:32:15 AM
Damn! VERY nice! Similar to an idea I had long ago, but could never really pull off. Now the trick is to get it down to 7 colors (not counting the color of the canvas itself).

EDIT: Only, I'd put "2006" in place of "1940", and put an arch of text on the bottom saying "An Aces High(TM) Scenario"
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: 1895 on October 15, 2006, 11:17:46 AM
I like skens idea. Others were too biased to the axis win. You may have won but we put up one hell of a fight with what we have. please keep them normal and not biased.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: 2Slow on October 15, 2006, 01:07:16 PM
Copied from another thread (bold is text added in this thread);
quote:
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Originally posted by trotter
<-------this one?

the patch needs to have both sides represented though. maybe the cross inside the RAF circle, but it's really hard to tell if that would look alright.
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Yep, that is the one. Perhaps the cross could overlay the RAF roundel. Not much would show through of it.  Some more lettering would be needed on the cross. Perhaps:

English German

Victory Sieg

Victorious Siegreich

German victory Deutscher Sieg

I would use the German translation of Victorious.

Hell, I would buy the official patch and the one I have suggested. This has been history in the making. The Axis has never won a BOB before.

Yes this is biased. I was just having fun with it. I would still buy the official one and an Axis Victory one as well. Heck, I would get several of both
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Krusty on October 15, 2006, 01:51:33 PM
To me a patch doesn't HAVE to show both sides. Rangoon had an AMAZINGLY elegant design, all it was was a P40E diving and firing its guns. It doesn't *have* to show the other side, just bring to mind the main images that "Rangoon" conjures up.

So make a patch that represents the images conjured up when you think of "Battle of Britain" -- I personally don't care if it only shows RAF or only LW, as long as it's a good patch!
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: BlauK on October 16, 2006, 01:13:26 PM
Here are some more quick ideas.

Any comments or suggestions on how to develop them further? ... if they have potential.


(http://koti.welho.com/skukkone/kuvia/bob06_3merkkia.jpg)
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: 1895 on October 16, 2006, 04:09:23 PM
Even with RAF roundel Axis flag over the roundel with 88s? No no :P Make two guys, axis win and historacle british one :D
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Krusty on October 16, 2006, 04:10:15 PM
blauk: I don' tknow if I like the blending of iron cross with roundel. I don't know if that "does it" for me. The bombers are cool. Any chance you can find some Ju88s? :D
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: BlauK on October 16, 2006, 04:19:47 PM
U sure u want Ju88:s instead of He111:s?
Should we could use the chess pieces as well instead of RAF and LW insignias ;)

... but just keep the impressions and ideas coming. They will help me or someone else to put out something more interesting :)
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: skernsk on October 16, 2006, 04:49:32 PM
Nice work Blauk.

I like the idea of the UK in the background.  I feel that a 'Battle of Britain' patch should have that in there.  

I would take that and overlay the he11's flying above it.  The background can be whatever color you want, I used a cold blue for the channel.

Put the black cross on the lower right (where France is) and the Roundel on the left.  

I would like to see how that looks.  I think I will bow out and leave this fine patchwork to you now Blauk:D
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: 2Slow on October 17, 2006, 12:35:59 AM
Interesting designs.  I have saved them.  I intend to print and frame them.

With the first one, perhaps one could put the UK island outline in the middle, stretching from one end of the white portion to the other.  I would also take the AH Scenario text and align it centered like you did with the BoB text on top.

The ones with the Cross overlaying the roundel are cool too.  I doubt any of the RAF would order one though.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: BlauK on October 17, 2006, 01:32:52 AM
Here are some more ideas with the Britain map outline:

(http://koti.welho.com/skukkone/kuvia/bob06_3more.jpg)




Thanks for ideas and comments. Keep them coming... :)

I picture the layout as LW theatening RAF, being the agressor. It is simply trying to give an impression of teh overall situation. It should not imply to any result, since there are no planes going down in flames or cities burning etc.


2Slow,
E.g in rangoon patch there was no hint of the japanese side, but I dunno if the japanese side players didnt order them...
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: BlauK on October 17, 2006, 01:36:36 AM
I think at least the text color should be some other... something more visible.. white or yellow or silver maybe
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Major Biggles on October 17, 2006, 08:49:15 AM
i like that newest one on the left :)
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: 2Slow on October 17, 2006, 08:57:16 AM
The one on the left is good.  It depicts both countries symbols.  The center one does convey the idea of the massive attack.  I like them both.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Have on October 17, 2006, 09:35:07 AM
I think the left is best. The silhouette in it is instantly recognizable, which i believe would not be the case with the small planes of the middle one when the patch is sewn.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Krusty on October 17, 2006, 10:59:03 AM
I think the one on the left is a good balance between "what looks good" and "what can be put on a patch". I like the large raid on the second one, but I don't think it would show up so well when it's put into stitches on canvas.

EDIT: The crosses are out of position on the He111's wings, however. :aok
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: BlauK on October 17, 2006, 12:54:57 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Krusty
The crosses are out of position on the He111's wings, however. :aok



Yup, that was an easter egg left for someone to take notice of :cool:
(Noticed it as soon as I had posted, but had no energy left in me to do something about it at that point...)


I am not so sure about the smaller planes being impossible though. After all they can make the letters recognizable.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Krusty on October 17, 2006, 02:17:46 PM
I had a thought...

What about making the outer ring of blue a darker shade. Some shade different from the RAF roundel? Then remove the roundel, and use the outline of Britain as a mask, and have it "filled in" with the roundel underneath it? Sort of have the center of the roundel between ireland and england, and you can see the colors over both of them?

Just a wacky thought. Yours is good too :)
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: SKJohn on October 17, 2006, 05:32:40 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Krusty
To me a patch doesn't HAVE to show both sides. Rangoon had an AMAZINGLY elegant design, all it was was a P40E diving and firing its guns. It doesn't *have* to show the other side, just bring to mind the main images that "Rangoon" conjures up.



I thought the Rangoon patch showed both sides by having the P40E diving, but the background was the "hinomaru". (Japanese flag for the nihongally challenged among us).  Maybe it wasn't designed that way, but that's how I interpreted it.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: skernsk on October 17, 2006, 08:32:46 PM
:aok

Looking good Blauk!

I like the one on the left as well, but I agree the text needs some jazzing up.  Come on, search your fonts for something with a "European" flavor.


Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Dichotomy on October 17, 2006, 08:53:23 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Krusty
I had a thought...



that didn't die of loneliness? ;)
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: macleod01 on October 24, 2006, 08:42:23 AM
Ok, Gonna seem really stupid here, but whats the point in the patches? What do we do with them? And DO the participants get one?
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Krusty on October 24, 2006, 11:46:40 AM
Just a way to commemorate the event, to remember it. You get one if you pay for it :) They're running at $2.50 average lately. A couple of people set it up with the company, order a large amount (bulk) and then you pay them to recoup the costs of buying and mailing them out to everybody.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: SKBG Seadog on October 25, 2006, 10:26:34 AM
I have them sewn on to my Flight Jacket. Or you can make a collection of them for a wall hanging.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: macleod01 on October 25, 2006, 10:38:04 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Krusty
Just a way to commemorate the event, to remember it. You get one if you pay for it :) They're running at $2.50 average lately. A couple of people set it up with the company, order a large amount (bulk) and then you pay them to recoup the costs of buying and mailing them out to everybody.


This is no offence to you Krusty, but I have learnt NEVER to trust AH if they ask you for money. So are you joking? Caus, it would be quite kool to have a patch like that. could somebody verify if I need to pay for them?
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: BlauK on October 25, 2006, 10:53:55 AM
It is not AH asking for money. It is those individuals participating in playing and creating events, who then further devote their time and make the patches happen... if there is enough demand.

Roscoroo and Brooke have taken care of getting the patches done and mailing them to people. Certainly you are not expecting them to do the funding on top of their voluntary work...

I tell you, you can trust your $2,50 to them with no doubts. They have delivered superbly for such tiny amount of money!
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: macleod01 on October 25, 2006, 11:03:33 AM
ok, next question. How do I pay?
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: BlauK on October 25, 2006, 11:03:34 AM
About the design prosal, there is another version coming based on given comments.. asap.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Krusty on October 25, 2006, 11:11:41 AM
Keep up the good work, Blauk!
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: macleod01 on October 29, 2006, 05:12:54 PM
so just wondering, noones answered my previous post. How do you pay for the patches?
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: SKBG Seadog on October 30, 2006, 07:25:32 AM
I use PayPal. You will get instuctions on how and who when the patches are done.:)
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: macleod01 on October 30, 2006, 09:24:57 AM
ok, thanks guys
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Dichotomy on November 01, 2006, 08:24:14 PM
I want mine... buying a flight jacket just for AH events I participate in :D
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: skernsk on November 01, 2006, 09:49:55 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Dichotomy
I want mine... buying a flight jacket just for AH events I participate in :D


Nerd ... :p
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Krusty on November 03, 2006, 11:59:30 AM
.... said one virtual pilot to another virtual pilot :p
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Dichotomy on November 03, 2006, 06:01:14 PM
Quote
Originally posted by skernsk
Nerd ... :p


and? :p
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on November 04, 2006, 04:23:58 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Dichotomy
I want mine... buying a flight jacket just for AH events I participate in :D


Heh!  Doing the same thing here!

If you are interested in the A2 flight jacket info I dug up, it is here:

http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/flight_jackets/flight_jackets.html
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: 2Slow on November 04, 2006, 09:30:46 AM
Thanks for the flight jacket info.  I have been hunting for an MA1 jacket for awhile.  I loaned my original to my brother many years ago with the rule that he must give it back to me someday.  Well, you know how that goes.

Now if I could find an MA1 without the pocket flap.  Mine did not have them.  Oh well, the authentic Alpha's look just as good.
Title: Flight Jacket
Post by: Nutzoid on November 10, 2006, 03:02:09 PM
Go to http://WWW.Alphaindustries.com or if that doesn't work, try http://WWW.Flightjackets.com
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: fuzeman on November 11, 2006, 08:26:35 AM
Count me in for a BoB '06 patch when they are finished and released please.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: BlauK on November 11, 2006, 11:03:39 AM
I tried placing the RAF roundel inside the British area, but it got very confusing, especially when the plane(s) covers parts of it. Look below.....

(http://koti.welho.com/skukkone/kuvia/bob06_not.jpg)



So I continused with previous ideas. A single large plane covers the island and makes it unrecognizable, therefore I tried with more and smaller planes. Here are the results. I prefer B or C myself.

(http://koti.welho.com/skukkone/kuvia/bob06_abc.jpg)



If one of these is deemed acceptable (small changes can still easily be done), then it is up to Roscoroo and Brooke... if they still want to keep on making them happen, and up to the scenario players to put in enough orders.
It has been pretty quiet here, so I have no idea....
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: 2Slow on November 11, 2006, 11:31:03 AM
Ditto on B.  I like it.  The multiple bombers gives a good rendention of the scope of the attack.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: K-KEN on November 14, 2006, 05:50:38 PM
I have loved the work Brooke and Roscoroo have done and applaud their efforts.  I will continue to support them in whatever way I can. I like B as well. But then, I like them all! Great effort. Fun time too!

K-KEN  
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Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: ROC on November 14, 2006, 07:09:09 PM
I like B the best, but the end result might make A better.

I'm concerned about the lettering stitched over the bombers, it will throw off the text and look garbled.

A will end up cleaner.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on November 14, 2006, 10:35:53 PM
They are all great!  I'd pick C because of the bigger aircraft.  I wouldn't pick B, as I think the number of smaller aircraft would cause more trouble rendered in stitching.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Nutzoid on November 16, 2006, 08:08:03 AM
Yeah I was thinkin' the same thing, go with C.:)
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Krusty on November 17, 2006, 01:01:28 AM
I would make one suggestion. Put a single stitch's width of a white outline around the RAF roundel. I'd like to see it stand out rather than blend in. Just a thought. I think I like C the best.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: BlauK on November 17, 2006, 03:31:25 AM
Edited for Krusty:


(http://koti.welho.com/skukkone/kuvia/bob06_2bc.jpg)
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Panzzer on November 17, 2006, 04:12:35 AM
Good job, BlauK. I'd go with the C - with the white outline, if that's possible to do (how precise are those stitching machines?)
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Krusty on November 17, 2006, 12:26:28 PM
They can do a lot with the stitching. Check out some of the other patches from other scenarios.


P.S. That looks smashing! My vote definitely goes to "C" with outline.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: fuzeman on November 17, 2006, 05:26:13 PM
I'd vote C from the above pair.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on December 10, 2006, 03:27:54 PM
Folks, I have put in place the way we'll handle covering costs for patches.  It is described here:

http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/patches/patches.html

Right now, I'm trying to get some donations to cover the cost of the Operation Downfall patch run, but it's not looking so good -- interest seems very low.  I might just call that patch run a Christmas present to the AH community and move on to gathering donations for the Battle of Britain patch.

What do you guys think?
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Mato on December 10, 2006, 05:48:16 PM
I'll make my usual $20 drop in the bucket for the BoB 06 patches

Mato
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: 2Slow on December 10, 2006, 09:38:32 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Mato
I'll make my usual $20 drop in the bucket for the BoB 06 patches

Mato


Ditto.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: 68wolf on December 10, 2006, 09:48:57 PM
i like them all because of all of the last patches i saw they were all german planes. JB's love german planes lol <> i like patch C most.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Dichotomy on December 11, 2006, 10:21:59 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Brooke
Folks, I have put in place the way we'll handle covering costs for patches.  It is described here:

http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/patches/patches.html

Right now, I'm trying to get some donations to cover the cost of the Operation Downfall patch run, but it's not looking so good -- interest seems very low.  I might just call that patch run a Christmas present to the AH community and move on to gathering donations for the Battle of Britain patch.

What do you guys think?


I'll be dropping some $$ in there in a couple of weeks Brooke.. gotta see what the xmas bonus is
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: 68wolf on December 12, 2006, 07:32:10 AM
how much $$ do you need brooke? to get these patches.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on December 12, 2006, 10:31:49 PM
Quote
Originally posted by 68wolf
how much $$ do you need brooke? to get these patches.


Each individual should donate whatever he wants to chip in.  I'd like to raise about $250-$275 total before starting the Battle of Britain patch run.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: 2Slow on December 26, 2006, 12:39:39 PM
Donation for BOB patch sent.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: macleod01 on January 31, 2007, 11:42:01 AM
Anyword on the BoB patches? Whats the link again to send donations to?
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on February 03, 2007, 02:40:19 PM
Quote
Originally posted by macleod01
Anyword on the BoB patches? Whats the link again to send donations to?


We're pretty far from enough to do a patch run.  The account is at $45.10, and about $250 is needed to do a patch run.  I'm thinking that there might not be enough interest to do a BoB run and that the next patch run will be whatever the next scenario is (such as Pearl Harbor).

Here's the patch page:

http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/patches/patches.html
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: macleod01 on February 03, 2007, 02:49:08 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Brooke
We're pretty far from enough to do a patch run.  The account is at $45.10, and about $250 is needed to do a patch run.  I'm thinking that there might not be enough interest to do a BoB run and that the next patch run will be whatever the next scenario is (such as Pearl Harbor).

Here's the patch page:

http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/patches/patches.html


Whens the finishing date? I can put in quite a few big donations over the next month or so
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on February 04, 2007, 01:50:21 PM
I haven't put the patches in to the patch-production company yet.  I was waiting to get closer to the cost of the run.

I'll send out an e-mail to the BoB 2006 participants to see if more are interested in chipping in for patches.

Macleod, let's see how that pans out before you shoulder more than your share of it.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on February 04, 2007, 02:30:40 PM
I sent out the following to all registrants of Battle of Britain 2006:

Hello, pilots of Battle of Britain 2006.
 
Although this scenario ran a while back (September, 2006), there are people interested in getting the following turned into a patch, like how we got patches produced for Operation Downfall, Stalin's Fourth, Fire Over Malta, Coral Sea, and Rangoon, '42.
 
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/battle_britain_2006/pics/bob06PatchGraphic300.jpg)
 
To do this, though, we need to raise about $250 to do a patch run and to mail the patches out.
 
If you are interested in a patch and if you are interested in donating to get this done, you can use Paypal.com to send a donation to brookep2 at electraforge.com -- I'm the one handling the money side of it and handling getting the patches produced if there is enough interest.
 
For more details on how this donation system works, please see http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/patches/patches.html  That page also shows what the previous patches looked like once they were done.
 
Best regards,
 
-- Brooke
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on March 13, 2007, 11:36:52 PM
Thanks to a large donation from Nurminen, the patch-production process has begun!

I will post the patch proof here once I get it back.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: macleod01 on March 14, 2007, 09:32:06 AM
And there was me about to give a huge donation! Darn You Nurminien! You beat me to it!
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: HB555 on March 14, 2007, 10:46:39 AM
Brooke,
Next time you get a donation frtom me, I expect you to put it in the patch fund, not make a car payment! If I did not wish to contribute, I would not, and besides, it messes up my book keeping.
:rofl
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Nurminen on March 14, 2007, 01:45:04 PM
Quote
Originally posted by macleod01
And there was me about to give a huge donation! Darn You Nurminien! You beat me to it!



:o  sry sir!






:cool:
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: macleod01 on March 14, 2007, 06:37:13 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Nurminen
:o  sry sir!

 


SO you should be! :furious :furious :D
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: stickpig on March 17, 2007, 04:35:53 PM
Still think skernsk's is best for a patch.... The others would make great decals
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: macleod01 on March 17, 2007, 04:42:14 PM
So who do I need to tell to say I want a patch?
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on March 17, 2007, 06:37:14 PM
Once the patches are done, I'll announce it here, show people what it looks like, remind them where to send e-mail to get one, and e-mail the same info out to the participant e-mail list from BoB 2006.

This will all be in about 2-3 weeks from now (depends on how speedy the patch-production company is and how much wrangling it takes to get the patch to look right).
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on March 28, 2007, 09:16:35 PM
I just got a scan of a sewout.  Here it is:

(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/misc/aces_high/bob06_sewout.jpg)

A scan tends to look lighter than the patch looks to the eye, so I think that, although this scan looks to have lighter shades than the artwork, the actual patch will be close.  However, it's hard to tell.  Given this, are people happy with it, or do they want me to do a redesign with darker colors?

The rest of it -- the shapes -- look great.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: ROC on March 28, 2007, 10:18:57 PM
Nice :aok

Brooke, what's the budget look like overall, for the past few patches?  PM me with an amount to bring you whole.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: macleod01 on March 29, 2007, 08:25:35 AM
Bril! Who do we let know to say that I want one?
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: SKBG Seadog on March 29, 2007, 08:52:47 AM
Looks good to me.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on March 29, 2007, 01:58:07 PM
Quote
Originally posted by macleod01
Bril! Who do we let know to say that I want one?


I'll announce here when the patches are in and available and how to get one.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: macleod01 on March 29, 2007, 05:03:46 PM
Thanks Brooke!
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Krusty on March 29, 2007, 05:34:59 PM
If you think it looks better with the human eye, I'll take your word for it. The scan, IMO, is a bit light (orange more than red), but even then it's still sweet!
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Gunslngr on March 30, 2007, 12:02:45 AM
I would hit that!!!!!!!
:)
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on March 30, 2007, 03:10:52 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Krusty
If you think it looks better with the human eye, I'll take your word for it. The scan, IMO, is a bit light (orange more than red), but even then it's still sweet!


I won't know how it looks by eye until I get the produced patches.  Until then, I have to go by patch scans.  I'm just going by past patches and scans -- the past patches by eye look darker than the scan did.  But this "darker in real life" aspect is not enough to turn light blue into medium blue or orange into red.  The design artwork was lighter blue and orange, though, not medium blue and red -- and  I picked the thread colors off their color chart to try to best match the artwork.

We'll see what BlauK thinks.  I sent him an e-mail and hope that he comes to this topic to comment.

Other than possible different opinions on shade of color, though, I think they did an excellent job on the shapes of everything.  I will make sure to compliment their transfer graphics person.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Panzzer on March 30, 2007, 03:30:44 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Brooke
We'll see what BlauK thinks.  I sent him an e-mail and hope that he comes to this topic to comment.
I'll tell him to drop by in here, we're having our Spring Meeting this weekend so I'll be seeing him shortly.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: SKBG Seadog on March 30, 2007, 07:57:20 AM
Maybe the Island would look better in emeriald green. But it looks good to me. Thanks for the hard work.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: BlauK on March 31, 2007, 02:48:09 AM
Good job Brooke!

It looks pretty fine to me. I trust you with how the colors appear. However, they are supposed to be blue and red, pretty much like in they are in the RAF roundel... so not orange. Medium blue and medium red sound good... as long as they are not dark. The black planes have to stand out from the blue.

The word "September" is quite close to the edge, the bottom of "p" even touches the black edge. If it is possible, that text could be moved inwards, like the other texts already are.

The bomber on the left has some blue thread on its left engine, which makes it look like the engine is breaking apart.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on April 01, 2007, 12:38:44 PM
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Originally posted by BlauK
Good job Brooke!

It looks pretty fine to me. I trust you with how the colors appear. However, they are supposed to be blue and red, pretty much like in they are in the RAF roundel... so not orange. Medium blue and medium red sound good... as long as they are not dark. The black planes have to stand out from the blue.

The word "September" is quite close to the edge, the bottom of "p" even touches the black edge. If it is possible, that text could be moved inwards, like the other texts already are.

The bomber on the left has some blue thread on its left engine, which makes it look like the engine is breaking apart.


I can change the colors and will do so.

It's very strange -- in the graphic posted here, the colors look medium-light blue and orange to me, not blue and red.

How do the colors in BlauK's graphic look to others here on their setups?

I can't really change the placement of items, though, without extra charges.  I wouldn't worry about the p and the bomber engine, though -- such things are just within variation of patches.  We'll see what the next sewout looks like when I change the colors.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: HB555 on April 01, 2007, 12:57:56 PM
Brooke,
Looks very Orange and light blue to me as well, including the RAF area.
I would not be the least bit worrired about one blue thread in that engine or the placement of the date, so long as it is readable, as it appearts to be.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: macleod01 on April 02, 2007, 07:44:52 AM
rgr, Light blue and Orange to me as well.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: BlauK on April 02, 2007, 02:06:16 PM
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Originally posted by Brooke
I can change the colors and will do so.
It's very strange -- in the graphic posted here, the colors look medium-light blue and orange to me, not blue and red.


Color is a very subjective thinggy :)
Someone's medium blue is other one's medium-light blue.

The blue color in the design is actually 100%cyan, which is pretty much on the halfway of white and black, slightly on the darker side. However, it does not have any magenta in it (like a common "dark blue" might have).

The red in the design was supposed to be 100%magenta 100%yellow, but I admit it came out from CorelDraw slightly on the orange side. I will also partly blame my lcd screen for that. In PhotoShop C 0%, M 100%, Y100% actually looks quite different.
In any case.. it IS a RAF roundel, and as such, should have red... not orange ;)


Color definitions in real work are often extremely difficult because of various ways to define them.. and also depending on whether they are printed (subtractive, e.g. CMYK) or made with light like on monitors (additive, e.g. RGB)

I hope you can work it out without too much trouble.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on April 03, 2007, 12:23:34 AM
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Originally posted by BlauK
In any case.. it IS a RAF roundel, and as such, should have red... not orange ;)

I hope you can work it out without too much trouble.


I'll be back in town on Thursday and will coordinate with the production company on new colors.  I'll go for medium blue and red.  (I did wonder why the light blue and orange -- but I figured it was an artistic modification, something a little different than the most-common roundel colors.  As it looked nice, I didn't ask. :)
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on April 24, 2007, 10:00:09 PM
Here it is with redone colors.  Folks, let me know if you have any objections to the colors in the next few days, and then (if there aren't a lot of objections) I'll pull the trigger on production.

(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/misc/aces_high/bob2006Pic2c.jpg)
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Krusty on April 24, 2007, 10:12:08 PM
OMG SWEET!!

Colors are PERFECT! Looks like an RAF roundel, only with the center red dot being shaped like England!

EDIT: Only concern is the white seems off-center. It looks closer to the lower left side than it is to the upper right side, if you know what I mean?

P.S. This could be something that varies slightly from patch to patch. I admit it's a minor point.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: ROC on April 24, 2007, 10:46:39 PM
The whole thing is offset, but looking at the graphics I can see why.  If it's centered, the wing markings at the right will bleed into the border.

If it's centered then that get's clipped, along with the tail section.  I'm not sure that's a bad thing overall, but I'll defer the decision to someone else, as I like it just fine.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: HB555 on April 25, 2007, 01:56:22 AM
Two Beagle paws UP!
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: BlauK on April 25, 2007, 03:16:00 AM
Brooke,
I trust you with the colors, but the design should go back to the original centered layout.
Now it looks a bit like a billiard ball with its extra width in N/NE/E directions.
Is it just a mistake in cutting? ...before the black edge has been sown.

(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/misc/aces_high/bob2006Pic2c.jpg)(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/battle_britain_2006/pics/bob06PatchGraphic300.jpg)
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on April 25, 2007, 08:31:13 PM
I think it's just a mistake in cutting on this one sewout.  It shouldn't be a patch-design issue, as I didn't change the design at all (only colors).
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Krusty on April 25, 2007, 08:33:58 PM
I think you're right. In the NE edge you can see a line, like the merrow was restitched or something. Probably just a mistake on the 1-off.

Even if not, it's a minor issue, and I only brought it up because I'm a freaking nut. A detail oriented nut, but a nut, nonetheless.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: BlauK on April 26, 2007, 05:26:22 AM
Cc Brooke.
It is still interesting how they have drawn more (all the way to the tip) to the right elevator of the right plane :)

I suspect, that they are actually redrawing the pixel picture as a vector picture.... which would be pretty funny, since the original design was drawn as vectors (CorelDraw) and then a screenshot was taken :rolleyes:
I assume that they could actually use the vector file and save quite a bit of time and work in their own process.
Would you mind checking this just in case for the future?
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Odee on May 13, 2007, 02:27:11 PM
Those are absolutely JAWESOMELY FANDAMNEDTASTIC!   Where can I order some of them for my flight jacket?
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on May 13, 2007, 03:54:21 PM
Odee, the Battle of Britain patches aren't in yet, although I expect them early this week.

Once I have them, I'll make an announcement here that they are available.

To get one, you then send e-mail to Roscoroo "at" hotmail.com.

Here are patches that are available and information about how we fund the patch production.

http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/patches/patches.html

By the way, I like the idea of sewing them on your flight jacket.  I am doing the same! :)
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Roscoroo on May 13, 2007, 04:06:43 PM
yep fill up my email box again guys ...

please put "BOB patches "  in the title  . you can still get Stalin's,Malta's,and Downfall patches too ... put patch type and amount into the email with your Address . Thanks

Roscoroo@hotmail.com
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Odee on May 13, 2007, 04:30:30 PM
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
yep fill up my email box again guys ...

please put "BOB patches "  in the title  . you can still get Stalin's,Malta's,and Downfall patches too ... put patch type and amount into the email with your Address . Thanks

Roscoroo@hotmail.com
Thanks guys...  Op Rangoon, and BoB for sure, I'm going to order soon as payday comes aorund.

Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Odee on May 13, 2007, 04:37:09 PM
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Originally posted by Krusty
I think the one on the left is a good balance between "what looks good" and "what can be put on a patch". I like the large raid on the second one, but I don't think it would show up so well when it's put into stitches on canvas.

EDIT: The crosses are out of position on the He111's wings, however. :aok
I dunno Krusty... I kind of like the middle and right ones..  Mid for the bomber horde.  Right one for the iron cross semblance.

But more the middle one evoking a sense of dread at the waves of bombers Britain had to endure and over come.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on May 13, 2007, 06:28:12 PM
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Originally posted by Odee
Thanks guys...  Op Rangoon, and BoB for sure, I'm going to order soon as payday comes aorund.



The ones that are no longer available are Rangoon and Coral Sea.  The available ones are on the web page -- and of course we'll have Battle of Britain 2006 once the come in this week.

http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/patches/patches.html
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: SKBG Seadog on May 14, 2007, 08:46:11 AM
I'll take 1 BOB patch. I flew in BOB. THX for the good work on it.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Krusty on May 14, 2007, 10:09:31 AM
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Originally posted by Brooke
By the way, I like the idea of sewing them on your flight jacket.  I am doing the same! :)


Don't they have a wax backing on the patch? Can't you just iron it on to melt the wax and bond it with the jacket?

I haven't done this, but I assumed that's what it was there for.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Odee on May 14, 2007, 10:37:03 AM
I think it's more a combination hotglue of some kind, Krusty.  Wax would just melt the first hot day in your car, or on the street, then the patches would ooze off unless tacked down.  

*shivers at the thought of his patches hitting the pavement as he struts through town unawares....* ohhh  the udder embarassment of it all.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on May 14, 2007, 01:59:17 PM
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Originally posted by Krusty
Don't they have a wax backing on the patch? Can't you just iron it on to melt the wax and bond it with the jacket?

I haven't done this, but I assumed that's what it was there for.


It's a thin, flexible plastic backing to add a little stiffness.  Also, since it covers the stitching on the back side, it adds durability to the patch (much less chance of snags, unraveling, etc.).
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Krusty on May 14, 2007, 02:21:04 PM
So, you can't just steam it onto something? You must sew it on?
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on May 15, 2007, 01:51:01 AM
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Originally posted by Krusty
So, you can't just steam it onto something? You must sew it on?


I don't order them with iron-on backs.  Iron-on backing is a low-quality method of attachment that gives crappy results.

However, if you want to use an iron-on adhesive or glue (neither of which I'd recommend for mounting on any garment, although glue could be OK for mounting on a background for framing or something like that), nothing is precluding you from getting that stuff at a fabric store or on the Internet and using that instead of sewing it on.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on May 15, 2007, 02:34:42 AM
Also, if you used iron-on, eventually it would fall off onto the sidewalk.   Then, I would scuttle over, peer at it, and say, "Mine?"
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Krusty on May 15, 2007, 08:36:18 AM
:rofl
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: HB555 on May 15, 2007, 07:08:45 PM
Krusty,
Guess you are going to have to get married to someone who knows how to sew, have your girlfriend do it, or do it your own self. (Although some cleaners, uniform shops and tailors will be glad to do it for you, for a donation to their cash register)
I could never find a woman who was willing to take the time to sew "stupid patches on that dam jacket, though. Always have done it my self, and the results are predictable, but I have never lost one. :D
(To cheap to pay a professional, cause after all, it's just "a dam jacket")
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on May 17, 2007, 12:07:24 AM
The Battle of Britain 2006 patches have arrived.  Here is a scan of one.

(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/battle_britain_2006/pics/bob06PatchScan200.jpg)

Roscoroo has again graciously volunteered to mail them out, so if you want one, please send e-mail to him here:  roscoroo "at" hotmail.com

Make sure to tell him your mailing address and which patch you want, as there are still other scenario patches available in Roo inventory, as shown here:

http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/patches/patches.html

If you donated money to the effort, please feel free to ask for more than one patch or to ask for a BoB 2006 patch and any others you might want.

Rosco, I'll drop them and mailing money by late this week or early next.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: ROC on May 17, 2007, 12:19:14 AM
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I could never find a woman who was willing to take the time to sew "stupid patches on that dam jacket


It pays to have a daughter in Girl Scouts bucking for that sewing patch :D :D :D
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on May 17, 2007, 12:51:24 AM
BlauK, the patch run looks very nice.  Thanks for that nice design!

And many thanks to all the folks who donated to make this patch run happen!
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: BlauK on May 17, 2007, 11:20:17 AM
Great work again, Brooke!
Thank YOU for your effort :aok
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: HB555 on May 17, 2007, 06:51:01 PM
ROC,

"It pays to have a daughter in Girl Scouts bucking for that sewing patch "

Been there, done that. Didn't have patchs to sew back then. Now that I can afford the stuff to aquire patchs, I see no reason what ever to go get another daughter. Seems like a viscious cycle, to me.  :D

(Grand Kids don't have time for scouting. Too many "important" things to do ... Ipod loading and listening, text messaging, http://WWW. sites to keep up with, snacks to eat, couchs to keep warm etc.)
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Panzzer on May 17, 2007, 07:37:12 PM
Thank you, Brooke and BlauKreuz, I'll show and bow my respect to you. (I would also pay tribute to you guys, but the rap flow ain't no go with me ;)).
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Brooke on May 17, 2007, 08:57:37 PM
Hey, Roo, do you send some patches to HTC each time we do a patch run?  I think I remember you saying that you did, which is a great idea on your part.
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Roscoroo on May 17, 2007, 11:45:09 PM
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Originally posted by Brooke
Hey, Roo, do you send some patches to HTC each time we do a patch run?  I think I remember you saying that you did, which is a great idea on your part.


yes, i do at the end of the patch requests ... I want to be shure the players get 1st dibs .
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Roscoroo on May 18, 2007, 08:11:25 PM
wow 25 +  orders so far ... Keep em coming guys ...

(Now I just gotta get Brooke to bring me the goods ) :D
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: HB555 on May 18, 2007, 11:30:25 PM
Brook,
Get your axis tail over to Mr. Roo's with "the good's" before we turn loose the squirrels.:D
(That ought to do it, Mr. Roo.) :aok
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Roscoroo on May 22, 2007, 10:35:40 PM
(insert Steve martin voice)

The new Patches are here !!! the new patches are here !!! I'm somebody .


OK gang, I'll Get to posting them by the end of this week for the 1st order .

If you havent emailed me nows the time if you want in on the 1st mailing .

Roscoroo@hotmail.com
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: BlauK on June 06, 2007, 01:29:25 AM
Got it :) Thanks for the great delivery service :aok

Good luck to all in trying to figure which way is "up" in this patch :) It seems to lack a clear North direction when held in hand. (hint: word "of" is the original intention)
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: macleod01 on June 06, 2007, 06:59:20 AM
Awsome, thanks Roc! Much appreciated and the hard work gone into it is amazing. Thanks again
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Krusty on June 06, 2007, 09:15:53 AM
I got mine a couple of days ago. Very snazzy!
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: HB555 on June 07, 2007, 12:50:32 AM
Love note and nylons received, Mr. Roo.
Would have preferred Snoopy Snacks, but the nylons are really nice, and I will enjoy wearing them.
Thank you,
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Roscoroo on June 07, 2007, 01:31:15 AM
Rgr dgr ... makes note Bribe Snoopy .  :D


Gathering up for this weeks order now ,,,gonna stamp n lic em friday ... so if you havent emailed me with order ya better hurry ... getting down to the last 20 patches now . :aok
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Flossy on June 07, 2007, 12:09:54 PM
Thanks Rosco for my patches which I received a couple of days ago!  :D
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: 2Slow on June 08, 2007, 08:14:21 AM
Got mine.  Absolutely fabulous!
Title: Battle of Britain Patches
Post by: Hajo on June 10, 2007, 12:43:21 PM
Got the patch.  Thank you.