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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MANDOBLE on December 16, 2002, 09:16:26 PM
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Trap DirectX, arithmetic or memory exceptions (perhaps with try and catchs or some hooks) and log them in a file or some messagebox, or even use an AtExit() function to keep track of the last routine executed before a crash.
I'm still having CTDs, with AH closing without any warning or error message, just suddenly back to desktop.
BTW, sound acceleration to 3/4 and squad icon folder emptied twice.
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manoble....
check the intake manifold...if that doesnt work, check hte catalytic converter :D
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...could also be the 7th Fetzer valve... not like the old days, y'know...it's all ball bearings these days.
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Mandoble,
Were you having these problems PRIOR to the update?
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Originally posted by guttboy
Mandoble,
Were you having these problems PRIOR to the update?
Yes, noticed that problem since the previous set of patches.
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The other thing you might check is under the Tech area Skuzzy put out some tips on disabling some stuff running in background...you might want to try that as well.
One other note...a guy in our squadron had similar problems and it turned out that it was his sound card causing the problems. He replaced it and the problems stopped.
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I had several CTDs after applying the new version. I powered my system down and back up and that fixed it. A couple of squaddies and an individual I was helping in the TA had similar experiences. If you're hooked to cable or dsl and leave your machine up all the time, you might want to take it all the way down and back up.
Hammer
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Sounds like a framus pivot malfunction
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Mand,
I put in a new mobo with AC97 onboard sound and started getting random CTD right away. Had clicks and pops in the sound and every once in a while the engine would roll back and then pick right up again.
Put my old SB Live 5.1 back in and disabled onboard sound and not a problem since.
I know you don't have onboard sound but after my experience I'm thinking these CTDs are sound-related. Do you have another different card you could try?
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im having the same problem,,returning to desktop for no apparent reason.rebooted, repowered,it still dont work
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Originally posted by Toad
I know you don't have onboard sound but after my experience I'm thinking these CTDs are sound-related. Do you have another different card you could try?
I had a Sb Audigy plus the onboard sound (CMI8738 - C-Media 6ch) disabled. Past week I unplug the Audigy and enabled the C-Media. Well, prior to that, I had the CTDs with no error but, sometimes, AH simply gets hung. Without the Audigy, no more "freezes" but still CTDs.
Prior to the previous patch to 1.11 I had the Audigy with full accel and never had a CTD nor freeze.
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mandoble delete the ah squad folder.
it could have a corrupt bmp in it causing the chaos.
i did and i have not had 1 ctd in flight since.
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Trap DirectX, arithmetic or memory exceptions (perhaps with try and catchs or some hooks) and log them in a file or some messagebox, or even use an AtExit() function to keep track of the last routine executed before a crash.
I'm still having CTDs, with AH closing without any warning or error message, just suddenly back to desktop.
BTW, sound acceleration to 3/4 and squad icon folder emptied twice.
My unix period is over but if I remember right atexit() (not AtExit btw ;)) is not called when there is an exception ...
I don't want AH to fill my HD with core dump :p
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As far as I remember atexit registers a function that is going to be called before program exits by any circumstance, that function may print a single global variable updated with a number representative of the last routine called, or a variable with the last error found or whatever, that and the hooks and try-catchs, whatever to have an idea of where the problem is.
Cit, I deleted that folder twice last month, and no better results, BTW, thanks for the advice.
In any case, the behaviour is interesting, I start the computer and AH, sooner or later a CTD. If I continue launching AH, sooner or later CTD again most of the times, but with a soft reset after the first CTD, the result is no more CTDs in a long period. It seems to me like some unitialized pointer or variable being used by AH, any driver or even DX8.1. If you are lucky, that variable may starts with 0, else with any random content, perhaps a very high value, who knows ...
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I don't atexit can work ,when there is an exception the OS error handler take control over the application so how can it call a function ?
btw your trouble can be hardware/software related
Let try kill that CTD ;)
What configuration do you have with wich driver version ?
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Originally posted by straffo
IWhat configuration do you have with wich driver version ?
Soyo Dragon Ultra Back Motherboard (Via 4-in-1 v443) with:
C-Media audio system (C-Media driver 5.12.01)
And
Realtek RTL8139 10/100Mb (Realtek driver 5.503.326.2002)
256Mb 333 DDR
AMD 2100XP
GForce3 Ti500 (Tried a lot of drivers, last ones are 4072).
ENI 3060 SpeedStream ADSL PCI card (driver version 1.3.0)
Saitek X36 USB por
F16 FLCS + TQS + CH Pro pedals (joy port)
350W power unit
S.O.: W98 SE with explorer 6.0.26 (Active desktop disabled).
Tasks normally running:
EN60CTB (ADSL controller)
Systray
Saicnfig (Saitek X36)
Explorer
Running at 1280x1024x32bpp.
DX sound acceleration set to 3/4.
Note:past week C-Media audio was disabled and I was using an Audigy sound card.
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Mand, have you tried running it with no sound card installed at all, onboard sound disabled and the squad folder totally deleted/empty?
I'm thinking you want to "narrow the field" by eliminating any possibility of sound or squad folder being the cause.
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Current 4N1 (now named Hyperion) are v445 http://ftp://downloads.viaarena.com/drivers/4in1/VIAHyperion4in1445v.exe
Do you have CTD also when offline ?
Try to replay CTD film just to test.
I've the same Realtek RTL8139 with XP drivers and a geforce3 like you I don't think they cause CTD.
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Mandoble......get rid of the 40.72 drivers and go back to the 30.82s'. The 40.72 drivers have many issues and cause a lot of problems. The 40.72 drivers were released to soon because of the release of WinXP and the Radeon9700. I have GF4Ti4600 and the 40.72 caused lots of problems including CTDs'
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Mandoble, I had a cmedia card (generic) 6 channel with the same chip and never had a problem with it (in fact I still have it). Have you hit http://www.driverguide.com for an ancient driver or two? I would try a really old one and see if that works. When I tried a newer driver with that chipset, I would get CTDs and soft resets whenever certain sounds would come up (flak was a real killer).
The login at driver guide is username: drivers password: all
I would try an old one. See if it works.
I bet you have two sound problems, those ac97s tend to suck, and the cmedia has a personallity too (great sounding card though). Got an old turtle beach laying around?
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Originally posted by Hajo
Mandoble......get rid of the 40.72 drivers and go back to the 30.82s'. The 40.72 drivers have many issues and cause a lot of problems. The 40.72 drivers were released to soon because of the release of WinXP and the Radeon9700. I have GF4Ti4600 and the 40.72 caused lots of problems including CTDs'
Yeah, missed that one!
I have a GeF2GTS and NONE of the 40 series drivers I tried worked. All sorts of crashes.
I went back to 30.82's and it works smoothly with great color.
I'd look into that one too.
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Thanks for the replies mates.
Hajo, I used normaly 30.82, CTDs were present as frequent as with 4072.
straffo, CTDs offline also
Toad, I tried that, but AH gives me an error message and refuses to start without a sound device.
ergRTC, I'll try, but I doubt the problem is on the audio drivers, similar problem was present with C-Media disabled and SB Audiby plugged.
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1.11 640x480 crash to desktop bug
We've found a problem with 1.11 that is causing people running in 640x480 to crash to desktop upon entering an arena. If you are experiencing this problem, you can alleviate it by going into the video options on the main menu and selecting a different resolution such as 800x600. We apologize for the inconvenience.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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Turbot, it is running 1280x1024x32bpp, and the problem was present prior to 1.11 version.
BTW, today I was talking with Wespe about AH stability, for my surprise he suffers exactly the same behaviour. Several crashes followed by several resets and the AH becomes stable. At the same time someone asked by general CH about a problem causing his AH to exit to desktop without warning/error, just the same effect again.
You are not going to believe me, but to work around the problem I do the next:
Switch on computer
starts AH (offline mode) and wait about 5 minutes until CTD.
Then I do a soft reset and start AH again, most of the times, AH keeps stable for hours this way.
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That's more than fishy :(
I'm using the 30.82 too ...
Can you send me a ctd film just to test it on my computer ?
Is Wespe spanish ?
it would weird to have a spanish bug but with microsoft all can happen ...
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Neg, Wespe is not spanish, but speaks spanish very well ;)
I'll try to post a CTD film here, thanks.
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I've had some quirky stability issues using the Saitek USB action pad (which I use for FPS) and other game controllers (particularly USB). Nothing terminal (once fully patched), but some initial funkiness that eventually seems to settle out. I don't know about the X36, but...
The VIA chipset also seems to have a history of USB issues, and there are a variety of patches (lateste 4in1 drivers and some additional via drivers) to help address these issues. Again, the Saitek action pad seems overly sensitive to these issues. You might want to try the CH setup exclusively a few times, or if it's a Via chipset (which I think it is), go to VIA and run all the avail. patches beyond the 4in1). Have you given the system a full enema lately? Try flushing down to FDISK or Format C and rebuild.
Charon
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I didn't read this whole thread, but.. you using custom sounds Mandoble?
If so, try playing with the default sounds that come from HTC.
-SW
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I'm using Mitsu soundpack.
Here is the film:
Film offline, 2 mins and then CTD (http://www.terra.es/personal2/matias.s/film8.ahf)
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What are your temperatures like? Graphics chip temp / CPU temp / System temp?
Gatso
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Normaly, CPU 55C, mboard 40C, no way to measure GF3 temp, but it is not overclocked.
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im C-media sound chip, Detonators 40.72 GF2mx40, mitsu sound pack and no CTD
so farr
mby u need to update bios? or matherboard drivers?
ramzey
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ramzey, are you using W98SE?
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sry dude, i dont remember why last time i saw w98
i buy ME before i start play AH, now XP
ME not give me any CTD troubles, until i switch to XP
now have no troubles
ramzey