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Title: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: Flavel on December 17, 2019, 07:50:03 AM
We got the ground attack version of the FW 190 in to positive territory on the Aces High Plane Statistics for Melee Tour 239!  277 kills versus 272 losses.  Kill/Death ratio of 1.01   :banana:

Of course, this is merely a picture in time, but usually the F-8 runs a 1 for 2 ratio so this is awesome.  I mean, currently the 109K-4 has a 1.06 Kill/Death ratio and this is considered an ubber ride. 

The F-8 is a sleeper with a lot of potential.




Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: Lusche on December 17, 2019, 08:00:42 AM
Now remove the GV kills and compare the stats of those two again  :devil
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: Flavel on December 17, 2019, 12:32:50 PM
Only if I get to remove all F-8 losses due to GVs.   :D

F-8 ground victories were 63 and losses due to ground fire were 124. 
If we remove the ship gunner nonsense its still 63 kills to 73 losses.


Pure air-to-air looks like 215 kills to 150 losses for a K/d of 1.42    :airplane:
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: bozon on December 17, 2019, 01:36:46 PM
Lol, get Save back into MA play and he will single handedly move it into the positive. He took it as a challenge one tour a few years back and ended the tour with 11:1 K/D (no gv kills).

... of course he had to fly like a wuss and had a Mossie VI to clear his tail, but still very impressive.  :P  :aok
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: Vinkman on December 18, 2019, 07:49:03 AM
Only if I get to remove all F-8 losses due to GVs.   :D

F-8 ground victories were 63 and losses due to ground fire were 124. 
If we remove the ship gunner nonsense its still 63 kills to 73 losses.


Pure air-to-air looks like 215 kills to 150 losses for a K/d of 1.42    :airplane:

yes but hte 63 victories are all against he radar.  :neener:
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: icepac on December 18, 2019, 12:11:22 PM
Many people consider 190f8 missions as one way affairs so it's quite the accomplishment.
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: Flavel on December 18, 2019, 12:30:59 PM
Many people consider 190f8 missions as one way affairs so it's quite the accomplishment.

F-8 is tough and fast. 

Better odds then flying a D3A1, TBM, B5N2, SBD-5, any sort of Stuka, IL-2, B-25H. 

The F-8 suffers from planes that can lift more and, in general, can do more (P-51D, P-47N, P-38L, Hellcat, Mossie, Typhoon, Tempest, ugh!).

But we fly it not because it's an easy ride.  We fly it because it's an overweight teutonic death trap with more style then steering.   :rock

Fly THUD airlines.
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: atlau on December 18, 2019, 04:18:16 PM
If I could figure out the rockets for killing tanks I'd fly it more rather than as a deacker. Otherwise the stuka is the most fun plane for gv killing.
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 18, 2019, 05:24:05 PM
We got the ground attack version of the FW 190 in to positive territory on the Aces High Plane Statistics for Melee Tour 239!  277 kills versus 272 losses.  Kill/Death ratio of 1.01   :banana:

Of course, this is merely a picture in time, but usually the F-8 runs a 1 for 2 ratio so this is awesome.  I mean, currently the 109K-4 has a 1.06 Kill/Death ratio and this is considered an ubber ride. 

The F-8 is a sleeper with a lot of potential.


Aaaaannnnnnnndddddd it's still the worst plane in the game  ;)

Nice job tho  :joystick: :cheers: :airplane:
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: atlau on December 18, 2019, 06:09:52 PM
If you want a fun and very underrated plane, the A5 is one heck of a competitive ride against the LW monsters.
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: Flavel on December 18, 2019, 06:43:22 PM
I prefer rides that are challenging. 

Any newb can fly a Spitfire and get kills. 

But, hands down, the F-8 beats the Spit in it's assortment of crazy cool camouflage skins!

So there!   :cool:



Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: puller on December 18, 2019, 09:11:38 PM
I do a lot of rocket deacking and rocket vulching
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: guncrasher on December 18, 2019, 09:20:42 PM
I do a lot of rocket deacking and rocket vulching

Dweeb,  call me when you want to learn rocket hoing.


semp
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: Vraciu on December 18, 2019, 10:19:00 PM
Dweeb,  call me when you want to learn rocket hoing.


semp

Last time you tried that with me you blew yourself up.    :rofl
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: Shuffler on December 19, 2019, 01:41:51 PM
Dweeb,  call me when you want to learn rocket hoing.


semp

 :rofl
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: Chris79 on December 19, 2019, 04:26:05 PM
The F8’s made their presence felt back in October. It’s the premier de-acker in the game.
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: icepac on December 19, 2019, 07:17:01 PM
F-8 is tough and fast. 

Better odds then flying a D3A1, TBM, B5N2, SBD-5, any sort of Stuka, IL-2, B-25H. 

The F-8 suffers from planes that can lift more and, in general, can do more (P-51D, P-47N, P-38L, Hellcat, Mossie, Typhoon, Tempest, ugh!).

But we fly it not because it's an easy ride.  We fly it because it's an overweight teutonic death trap with more style then steering.   :rock

Fly THUD airlines.

The plane is fine.      It's just too good at it's mission so it attracts the guys who fly it "one way" with zero intent to RTB.

It takes a lot of RTB missions to balance out the one way guys.
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: Vraciu on December 19, 2019, 07:19:10 PM
The F8’s made their presence felt back in October. It’s the premier de-acker in the game.

Meh. I can de-ack a small field solo in my Mustang.    :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: Chris79 on December 19, 2019, 08:16:35 PM
Can you de-ack a medium plus a town, 2 spits and fly away with a stang?
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: Vraciu on December 19, 2019, 10:13:47 PM
Can you de-ack a medium plus a town, 2 spits and fly away with a stang?

Yes.

(How many re-arms do I get?)   :D
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: save on December 20, 2019, 03:31:04 AM
What a F8 can do is de-ack outside of auto ack range 11-7k AGL.
It's basically an A8 with 2 guns removed, and have replaced that weight with armor.
Rockets slows the plane down so pretty much all planes in MA can dispatch you easy.
You have to get really close to kill a GV, and the Wirby battalion at each field kill you easy.

I keep my bomb for Wirby's. There is always someone who try to kill you outside of their range.

Not that it helps with 2-4 at each field, but it feels good and keep the grudge between planes and vehicles up :D
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: Flavel on December 20, 2019, 12:01:40 PM
The only problem I have with the F-8 is the need to be very careful maneuvering with ordnance.   I'll be trying to jockey my ride around to rocket some good will at a tank and the next thing I know I'm showing off my upside down pancake technique. 

I actually prefer using the F-8 against bombers as it's wings seem resistant to .50 cal return fire.

The A-8 will kill a bomber faster but the F-8 will survive the encounter more often.

In pure air-to-air engagements the most important skill to have is knowing when to run. 
Not exactly glorious, but engaging N1K2s or Yak-3s with an F-8 puts you on a very short leash.   :uhoh

Using rockets force the F-8 into return-fire-range from ground forces and the armor a F-8 has doesn't
help worth a hill of beans against 20mm, and 40mm fire.  Also, there are too many tankers that know
how to "main gun" quite well.

 
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: save on December 21, 2019, 02:42:58 PM
The extra armor protects the lower part of the engine and all the way back to the pilot. you can sustain more hits from autoacks than the A8.
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: Max on December 21, 2019, 05:09:45 PM
What a F8 can do is de-ack outside of auto ack range 11-7k AGL.
It's basically an A8 with 2 guns removed, and have replaced that weight with armor.
Rockets slows the plane down so pretty much all planes in MA can dispatch you easy.
You have to get really close to kill a GV, and the Wirby battalion at each field kill you easy.

I keep my bomb for Wirby's. There is always someone who try to kill you outside of their range.

Not that it helps with 2-4 at each field, but it feels good and keep the grudge between planes and vehicles up :D

Can you share some tips as per using the F8's rockets at long range? And a good gun sight for that purpose?
Thanks !
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: atlau on December 22, 2019, 12:03:38 PM
Can you share some tips as per using the F8's rockets at long range? And a good gun sight for that purpose?
Thanks !

Use ofine mode and enable the bombsights. You'll see roughly where they go. Faster, steeper, closer help. I aim about 2-3 Mark's above the target using the default.gunsight.

For deacking you only need to be close.to kill the guns. Can usually fire off 3 rockets and then switch to cannon to kill.off a few more guns close range in 1 pass.
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: save on December 22, 2019, 05:27:09 PM
I use Revi 16  gunsight and like Atlau say, you need to practice,  I normally start at 11k and point nose slightly down, I aim and shoot 3 or 4 rockets, and pull up at 7k AGL to avoid pesky acks.
Everyone have to learn what is best for them, I like to stay as fast as I possible can.


Can you share some tips as per using the F8's rockets at long range? And a good gun sight for that purpose?
Thanks !
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: Flavel on December 23, 2019, 11:20:01 PM
422 kills to 416 losses. kd of 1.01  It's going to be close!
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: Shuffler on December 24, 2019, 04:06:10 AM
Did you say hunt the 190f8?
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: SmokinLoon on December 25, 2019, 02:02:32 AM
The 190F-8 is an awesome tank/gv killer. Remember the rockets fire in pairs off the wing AND they they fly straight away from the launch point on the wing. So... for the 190F-8, always fire two and only two rockets per attack run on a gv, and aim to the left/right of the vehicle slightly for the rockets to hit their mark. If your rockets are firing from the right wing then aim to the left of target slightly. Film it, or at the least be sure and look at your impact points.

The best I've score is 5 enemy tanks, yes tanks, in a single sorte without a rearm/refuel. I dropped the 250 kg bomb and then used the PB1 rockets, in pairs of course, to get the other 4. Tank town is a target rich environment. :) 
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: Flavel on December 30, 2019, 10:15:00 PM
12/30/2019 @8:14PM PST 590 kills to 589 deaths. 
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: atlau on December 30, 2019, 10:49:36 PM
The 190F-8 is an awesome tank/gv killer. Remember the rockets fire in pairs off the wing AND they they fly straight away from the launch point on the wing. So... for the 190F-8, always fire two and only two rockets per attack run on a gv, and aim to the left/right of the vehicle slightly for the rockets to hit their mark. If your rockets are firing from the right wing then aim to the left of target slightly. Film it, or at the least be sure and look at your impact points.

The best I've score is 5 enemy tanks, yes tanks, in a single sorte without a rearm/refuel. I dropped the 250 kg bomb and then used the PB1 rockets, in pairs of course, to get the other 4. Tank town is a target rich environment. :)

Do you use the default sight?
Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: Flavel on January 02, 2020, 12:27:05 PM
We achieved a positive K/D for December's frame. 

The FW190 F-8 scored 648 kills 639 loses for a ratio of 1.01


Title: Re: Keeping the FW 190F-8 stats positive
Post by: atlau on January 02, 2020, 05:51:44 PM
We achieved a positive K/D for December's frame. 

The FW190 F-8 scored 648 kills 639 loses for a ratio of 1.01

Still a 1 trick pony though:)