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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Zuum on December 12, 2006, 06:58:58 PM
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After all the adjusting of arenas in last weeks…is it the worth of it???
I think, it´s not.
We, the finns, have been pretty cool, foreseeing and forwardlooking in all these changes, all these months…
And…What we see?
Nothing!!!
This new, so called “side balancing” is XXXX
Why should HTC decide, which side I´m on or not? Why can´t I decide, which side I´m joining?
Why can´t I make a decision, do I like to beat or be beaten???
I think, the perk-point system itself is a good way to guide noobies/chickens/old beards to right way…
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Now I see, it , maybe wasn´t...
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BTW,
Quite honest, HTC…
Are U thinking You have a role like something like UN, or like Swedish committee, which have to balance all sides so, that no one has anything to complain???
Think it twice.
This should be a game. The best game and best feelings come from the inside.
You, the HTC, have the keys
Keep it simple and stupid!!!
Wbw,
Zuum
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Because people wont switch sides when unbalenced...... the original idea
So now HTC has to take steps to make it happen.
So who's fault is it?
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PLS Tell me, what is so wrong if people wont change it???
Let them have a nice lesson of democracy.
They will change the side...if they dont like it.
That is so simple.
:D
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Well, see the problem is that HT left it up to the community to address the matter of the number unbalance. Only a few players and/or squadrons did chance sides when one side had a numerical advantage while the rest were happy to fly along with the hord. Since the community didn't want to or was unable to address the problem themselves HiTech and Gang had to step in and fix the problem before it really got out of hand.
So as I said in another post...if you don't like the changes and want someone to blame then just look in the mirror because you're to blame.
ack-ack
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Ack Ack speaks the truth. People act like sheep they get treated like sheep. I'm not exactly thrilled with whats going on but jeez the old MA was and still would be an open sewer.
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Hmm... Only thing I see, is the total and fatal indecesion, only.
That looks no good...
HTC has now to make the decision:
Aces High is an entertaining game...
or...
Aces High is considering into reality and simulation.
That´s it.
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The decision to be made isn't HiTech's...he already made his choice with the recent changes. The ones that need to make the choice are the players but unfortunately most players are incapable of making any sort of choice on their own.
ack-ack
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from my vantage point he appears to be experimenting.
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Originally posted by JB88
from my vantage point he appears to be experimenting.
I Agree that...
From my simple minded point, HTC seems to be in chaos...
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Well, see the problem is that HT left it up to the community to address the matter of the number unbalance. Only a few players and/or squadrons did chance sides when one side had a numerical advantage while the rest were happy to fly along with the hord.
However true that is Ack Ack, Some squads love flying against the hordes! Now, I agree that this new system is a bad idea. Ive flown it once with 1/2 an hour to spare. I spent that Half an hour waiting for flight clearence for a squad sortie! 'So change sides!' they cry! Well, I joined a squad to fly WITH them, not to fly against them. I can fight any of them in the DA anyday. They're happy with that, so am I. But I wont fight them in the DA. Changing sides is great if ur a lone flyer, but I change saides, shoot down a spit 5 and find Ive blasted my CO out of the air! Im not happy with that!
Please HT, change it back! Im with the Finns on this one!
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HT has said the new side balancing is only for extreme cases. As in one side has overwhelming numbers on the others.
Why would you want to fly on a side that has overwhelming numbers?
Do you actually enjoy flying in hoards and attacking undefended fields?
3-4 to 1 odds in a fight might be fun for you, but what about the 1 guy?
BTW, you should have no problem flying as a squad. If not in one LW arena, than the other. If you are willing to have the squad fly for a diff. country, then you will have zero problems all logging into whatever arena you wish.
I feel that your are being selfish.
I say selfish, because having balanced sides (or at least somewhat balanced) is good of the game. You and yours might be having a great time rolling undefended fields, or fight's that are 10 to 4, but I promise you your opponents are not enjoying themself what so ever.
So which is more important? The Fin's flying Rooks, or the Game.
Seriously, think about how you are coming across here.
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It's organized chaos.
Zuum, kindly list for us other games involving teams where everyone shares a common objective (or set of objectives, if you will), and everything is setup exactly the same for all teams, with the exception of one team having 2 to 3 times as many players as the other.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Well, see the problem is that HT left it up to the community to address the matter of the number unbalance.
ack-ack
I must have missed this notice from HTC, anybody got a copy of this announcement and official e-mail notifying those who don't cruise this BB that they have to change and help balance sides or else changes were to come?
I keep hearing that we were warned by HTC but I still haven't found my e-mail notice nor could I find a posting from HTC telling us of the problem and the possible changes that will be made if the community didn't act.
I have a feeling, I really don't know though, that side balancing wasn't the issue HTC tried to fix so no notice was sent about side balancing. This talk of us being warned kinda rings hollow to me.
I could be wrong though, but I do check my mail on a regular basis.
No other comment on the changes from me, I don't have the hours in since the changes to form a solid opinion yet.
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Originally posted by Trikky
the old MA was and still would be an open sewer.
I'm sorry but what does this really mean? I've heard this floated around a lot, I believe even HT himself referred to the old MA as a "slum"
Huh?
What, were so many people in one arena making for poor sanitary conditions? Did anyone get sick from flying there?
Does it mean that it was dangerously lawless? Did anyone get mugged flying late night? The only thing I can think of was that people had bad attitudes. If the MA was disbanded because a few peoples feelings got hurt on channel 200 that is truly sad.
For real, though, I'm sure there is an explanation for everyone using such similar terms to describe the old MA. Can someone fill in those of us whose memories of the place resemble nothing like a sewer?
Edit- I'm not complaining or whining about bringing the old MA back, just curious about the terminology. Sorry to somewhat hijack this thread.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
The decision to be made isn't HiTech's...he already made his choice with the recent changes. The ones that need to make the choice are the players but unfortunately most players are incapable of making any sort of choice on their own.
ack-ack
sorry ackack i have to disagree...
people were playing..so they must have liked it...they could have CHOSEN to fix it but they didnt...
take off the biased glasses you and guppy wear and realize that that means......THEY LIKED IT AND IT WAS FUN!!!!
stop being so high and mighty and realize that most of these guys are smart educated highly motivated folks and not a bunch of illiterate morons...if they chose not to change something then they must be ok with it....
i guess the lessons of empty DA, AvA, and now EW dont emphasize my point enough
and if you have forgotten, go back over the last 6 years on this bbs and see how often there was side imbalance which was never dealt with in such a heavy handed manner...instead over time things worked out...BECAUSE PLAYERS ARE SMART AND WILL DO WHAT IS FUN!!!
im not sure this last change was so terrible...didnt really seem to affect us at all..which was my hope...as usual a change doesnt come close to solving a problem...it just causes unecessary controversy....
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
It's organized chaos.
Zuum, kindly list for us other games involving teams where everyone shares a common objective (or set of objectives, if you will), and everything is setup exactly the same for all teams, with the exception of one team having 2 to 3 times as many players as the other.
there arent hubs because the other online games with "teams" use AI to balance the sides...they seem to recognize that people like to have fun with people they have formed relationships with and recognize that that can cause inequalities..so they deal with it in a manner that allows both.
noone wants to go to a different bar everynight alone and make new friends...they want to go....
"where everybody knows your name!!!...and their always glad you came!!!....." - Mayday Malone
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Well, see the problem is that HT left it up to the community to address the matter of the number unbalance. Only a few players and/or squadrons did chance sides when one side had a numerical advantage while the rest were happy to fly along with the hord. Since the community didn't want to or was unable to address the problem themselves HiTech and Gang had to step in and fix the problem before it really got out of hand.
So as I said in another post...if you don't like the changes and want someone to blame then just look in the mirror because you're to blame.
ack-ack
For one I'm fed up of "us, the community, the players", being blamed for everything.
1) The old MA very rarely got as unbalanced as the 'new' arenas, usually only close to a reset, or on the Sundays when Rooks had their RJO's.
2) HT changed the arenas, they went from occassionally unbalanced, to totally unbalanced the majority of the time.
We didn't change the arenas, so lets lay the blame were it belongs huh.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
For one I'm fed up of "us, the community, the players", being blamed for everything.
1) The old MA very rarely got as unbalanced as the 'new' arenas, usually only close to a reset, or on the Sundays when Rooks had their RJO's.
2) HT changed the arenas, they went from occassionally unbalanced, to totally unbalanced the majority of the time.
We didn't change the arenas, so lets lay the blame were it belongs huh.
here here
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There aren't any games with the odds tolerated here for so long, are there? Do you think it's because it sucks to play games with a huge advantage built in for only 1 team?
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for two days now i have not had to wait or change sides, i think people getting upset over nothing. I'm going to wait to see what happens, at least the evil blue lines are gone.
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Its hard to be humble when your perfect!:D
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Originally posted by Flatbar
I must have missed this notice from HTC, anybody got a copy of this announcement and official e-mail notifying those who don't cruise this BB that they have to change and help balance sides or else changes were to come?
I keep hearing that we were warned by HTC but I still haven't found my e-mail notice nor could I find a posting from HTC telling us of the problem and the possible changes that will be made if the community didn't act.
I have a feeling, I really don't know though, that side balancing wasn't the issue HTC tried to fix so no notice was sent about side balancing. This talk of us being warned kinda rings hollow to me.
I could be wrong though, but I do check my mail on a regular basis.
No other comment on the changes from me, I don't have the hours in since the changes to form a solid opinion yet.
Excellent point!
I'm guessing that maybe only 10% of the "community" (whatever that is)
visits this forum. If there wasn't a clipboard message or some other
announcement what chance was there to address this supposed 'problem'?
I'm not buying it. Either marbles have been spilled or something else
is afoot. :huh
Personally, I'm waiting until after the holidays to make any decisions
on whether this remains the right game for me. I'll have plenty of time
to play over the holidays and I'll have a better idea of how I feel about
all this after the New Year. Lets all just keep a cool head and give HTC
and the game some time for some adjustment. The player numbers will
speak to the success of these changes. If people aren't playing, the
changes will likely be reconsidered: they'll have to be.
After all, if people don't play the game, they don't pay.
David
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Originally posted by Kev367th
For one I'm fed up of "us, the community, the players", being blamed for everything.
1) The old MA very rarely got as unbalanced as the 'new' arenas, usually only close to a reset, or on the Sundays when Rooks had their RJO's.
2) HT changed the arenas, they went from occassionally unbalanced, to totally unbalanced the majority of the time.
We didn't change the arenas, so lets lay the blame were it belongs huh.
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thats right it was when one side is winning alot of people would switch sides.
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I think the new split arena system hasn't been thought over properly. The 'leftover' arena is way too small for good MMOG experience.
The way it would probably work in reality is if there'd be a seemingly one arena which would automatically be split in 50% sections once a certain limit is passed. That way both arenas would be left with playable numbers and the split could be done in a way that people who are in the same squad would have the preference to remain on the same half of the arena.
After the 50% split both arenas would be fully free for access untill the next playerlimit would be reached for another split etc.
This would limit the numbers automatically but in best case scenario wouldn't harm the squad operations at all since the split would show only as dramatic change of total playernumbers. Even after the split, new squad members could join the split their squad resides, even automatically.
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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I do agree that the MA sometimes was totally out of whack. But I also know that sometimes it was one side, and other times it was the other side. I flew Bish no matter what. Some nights you couldn't get off a forward base.
I remember a few years ago, the MAWS would come on their squad night, Saturday or Sunday as I recall, and steamroll the place. Probably built points higher than the Empire State Bldg. Guess what, some other night is was some other squad. But it was always fun to try and hold them off, piss them off, whatever. Now you can't find anyone you know to fly with, or recognize the name of someone who shot you down, or you shot down.
The rivalries are fast disappearing.
It is more fun to watch the Yanks vs the Red Sox, or the Cards vs Cubs, or the Steelers vs Colts, than the Blue Jays vs Rangers.
Rivalry is what makes for good sport, and rivalry is created by repeated conflict against the same people.
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See Rules #5, #4
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See Rule #4.
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who said that they do?
and what gives you the feeling that it is okay to start calling people idiots regardless of context or meaning?
my experience with the zuum and the fins in general has been one in which they have earned a modicum of respect that you appearantly lack the talent to muster.
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88 if you disagree with the "Bulletin Board Horde" they gotta call ya names or attempt to denigrate you in some manner. Just say what you came here to say and do what I did, start an email list of likeminded individuals... communicate that way.
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
88 if you disagree with the "Bulletin Board Horde" they gotta call ya names or attempt to denigrate you in some manner. Just say what you came here to say and do what I did, start an email list of likeminded individuals... communicate that way.
you make a good point. and i do do that...
though i have to say that i am pretty much one of the bullitin hoarders lately... o'club mostly. it's much much worse in there. they have to have 8 MP's (or is it 9) armed with full censorship powers patrolling the area lest it degrade into something that more closely resembles the ramblings of a drunken sailor in an army bar.
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I like flying for the rooks I don't see what wrong with that. The rooks are where my friends are , where I learned how to play/fly the game. Its where people I have met in the last 3 years are mostly and I enjoy the game that way. I don't really play for the thrill of the chase/kill I enjoy the game more for the people I meet/talk to while playing. And on a side note we had a hard time getting the sqd together before now it almost frickin impossible. I think the squads are a big part of what makes the game fun. The mid and early I think were a good idea and I enjoy the mid arena a lot but I feel the MA thing is broke as it is now.
thats my 2 cents
:D
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Ok well last night.....
Bish had 50 knights 40 rook 20.
arena cap is reached no-one else can get in.
ENY for bish is at 5 or less. people waiting on bish about 7 but for some reason side balancing was disabled?????
End result Bish take HQ base after a couple of hours of skilless people died trying for them to swarm the place like a bunch of cockroaches 30 + etc.
Then whilst cutting a lone figure trying to kill them their flying around in 163's and i even saw a 262 at one point.
Whilst my kills were good and many I fail to see how the "new changes" are helping in "balancing" the teams....
At the end of the evening after logging i saw the MW arena had 150 people in and no-one bothered to tell me lol dam.
Bruv
~S~
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
sorry ackack i have to disagree...
people were playing..so they must have liked it...they could have CHOSEN to fix it but they didnt...
take off the biased glasses you and guppy wear and realize that that means......THEY LIKED IT AND IT WAS FUN!!!!
stop being so high and mighty and realize that most of these guys are smart educated highly motivated folks and not a bunch of illiterate morons...if they chose not to change something then they must be ok with it....
i guess the lessons of empty DA, AvA, and now EW dont emphasize my point enough
and if you have forgotten, go back over the last 6 years on this bbs and see how often there was side imbalance which was never dealt with in such a heavy handed manner...instead over time things worked out...BECAUSE PLAYERS ARE SMART AND WILL DO WHAT IS FUN!!!
im not sure this last change was so terrible...didnt really seem to affect us at all..which was my hope...as usual a change doesnt come close to solving a problem...it just causes unecessary controversy....
You suggesting that AKAK and I are behind the change? We've somehow convinced Hitech to change his game design?
Wow! No idea I had such power.
Guess that guy in one of the arenas who accused me of ruining the game was right :)
Must be an AH P38 Pilot's Associaton conspiracy at work:noid
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If you can't find fun, friendships, comradery, simulated cartoon airplane combat, or some sort of positive experience out of this game, the problem is you, not the changes.
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Originally posted by trotter
I'm sorry but what does this really mean? I've heard this floated around a lot, I believe even HT himself referred to the old MA as a "slum"
Huh?
What, were so many people in one arena making for poor sanitary conditions? Did anyone get sick from flying there?
Does it mean that it was dangerously lawless? Did anyone get mugged flying late night? The only thing I can think of was that people had bad attitudes. If the MA was disbanded because a few peoples feelings got hurt on channel 200 that is truly sad.
For real, though, I'm sure there is an explanation for everyone using such similar terms to describe the old MA. Can someone fill in those of us whose memories of the place resemble nothing like a sewer?
Edit- I'm not complaining or whining about bringing the old MA back, just curious about the terminology. Sorry to somewhat hijack this thread.
It was worse than any of the things you've mentioned, endless processions of high alt 1 pass and run late war monsters who's only intention would be to catch you afk or wait for their 40 friends to turn up. Its not healthy.
It has created the kind of player we have now, and this is unfortunately real, who will bail if they see a red dar bar in the sector. One player in the MWA does this regularly when he's dive bombing HQ in his Lancasters. He does nothing he couldnt do offline, as he never actually fights, apart from being able to blah about it on 200.
He will bail if you get into icon range, and if you manage to catch him, tell everyone on 200 how your entire squad cheats while pm'ing you with idiotic ravings which would get him muted.
The old MA and this behaviour is directly linked in my opinion. In my experience playing this game, people have always run, and I'm not advocating every Dora turn fights a Spit, but I've never seen people bail rather than fight till recently, and this guy isn't the only one.
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S! Zuum.........
K.I.S.S. :aok
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I think you guys are right. I think everyone who's helped successfully run this game for 5 or 6 years now is just absolutely ****ing stupid, and they probably made this change just because of a post they read on here, and I'll bet they didn't look at subscriber info, or talk to anyone on the phone, or folks who took the time to visit their office, or spend time in game, or anything. In fact, I bet they haven't put a single bit of thought into anything they've ever done. I mean, come on, they just built this game out of nothing, it can't be that hard.
You idiots.
Heh in a perfect world no company ever makes any mistakes or goes bankrupt. I'm sure hubsonfire would last about 10 minutes in business. :aok
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See Rule #4/#5 (did fine until that last little pointless shot)