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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Sabre on May 06, 2005, 12:02:48 PM
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Let me know if there are any problems.
The Eastern Front
Terrain: Rhine Map
Radar: CT standard
Downtimes: Ack/radar/fuel/ammo/troops 30 minutes; hangers 15 min; town 45 min
Capture Requirement: 20 troops.
Fields/Plane Set:
Russian (Bishop) - V61/A68/A34/V24/A27/A25/V26/A29
La-5, Yak-9T, P-40E (lend-lease, and besides, I like it), Boston-III, A-20, IL-2, C-47, all the M-s, T-34.
Germany (Knights) - A73/V74/V35/A76/V77V59/A63/V67
109F, 109G-2, 190A-5, 190F-8, 110G-2, Ju87, Ju88, C-47, all the M-s, Pnzr-IV, Tiger (at A63 &A76 only).
Notes:
I've include PT boats where there are nearby waterways that support them. There are only eight bases on each side with a/c or vehicles available. All other bases will belong to the Rooks (neutral), and have nothing available except ground guns available to anyone. Capture them if you wish (but not the last two, as it will reset and pork the arena), but be advised that the only good it will do is for landing and refuel/re-arming. Tiger tanks are only at 2 bases, and these bases have no remote spawn points. Thus, they are only available defensively (unless you want to drive them for an hour or more to get to another target).
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I guess I'll see you guys next week, I'm not spending a week chasing ackllieds.
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If LW had G6 whole week would be JG in G6's gangin a few guys in La5---Yak T is the one with 37mm...bout 15 shots?..hence all Russians will be in La5..which isnt THAT fast, though faster level than the LW rides this week==buncha 109's comin in at 15k will offset that anyhow
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There seems to be many bases that only have the field guns enabled and nothing else...
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storch you are funny. I guess you never run from a 1 v 1.
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Originally posted by storch
I guess I'll see you guys next week, I'm not spending a week chasing ackllieds.
So no more Finn/Russ either?
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Typical storch-whining.......:rolleyes:
The G2 and 190F8 are fast enough to make it a fight with the La5 down low, and the 109 gets better the higher the fights go.
YakT is a sub-400mph plane, just has a big cannon.
P-40E is a capable plane if you can get some speed in it, but it can't climb with anything in the LWhiner planeset, except the C-47 and maybe the Stuka.
I wish my CH pedals would come in.....I'd fly this setup for either side in a heartbeat!
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Yak9T has 32 rds of 37mm, and if you actually do that thing, you know? that think that's needed to get kills, oh yes -- "aim" -- then you get plenty of kills with it. The peashooter is, quite literally, useless... Not enough ammo to down a single plane... But enough to keep fighting even if you're out of 37mm ammo. I got 4 kills in 1 sortie once (3 of them were me wasting many rounds on a formation of ju88s). If I can do it, you sure as hell can, because I simply SUCK for aiming.
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The planeset is fine.
Don't understand the need for folks to come in here and post the ackllied comments just because the planeset or setup is not what you wanted.
No comments are needed....just don't show up that week. Nothing needs to be said at all.
Just my two cents worth.....
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the planeset is hell and gone from fine. I will no longer participate in these BS set ups. If it's 1943-1944 for the ackllieds why is it 1941-1942 for the acksys? when the vulcan CT staffers figure out how to do a proper plane set I'll participate when you don't I'll stay out. fair enough?
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Whats wrong with the setup? The only thing possible to add would be the A-8 right? The 109F-4 and G-2 are more than a match for the La5 and for that matter so is the 190A-5. Heck, even the 110G-2 can beat the La5.
I dont know what the big deal is Storch since you guys dominate the arena and all...
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Originally posted by Grits
I dont know what the big deal is Storch since you guys dominate the arena and all...
he's afraid since he can't run away.
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Well lets see the 190A-5 was starting to be delivered in 1943. The 109G-2 was delivered to Finland in 1943 but it was delivered to LW geschwaders starting in early/mid 1942. The 190A-8/F-8 was delivered to LW units in late 1943/early 1944.
And thats just from casual reference material that I remember reading. But who am I to quote aircraft in service dates.
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You're a "Vulcan" CT staffer. What do you know? (besides the secret handshake)
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it's a great setup - from either side
some have terminal PMS and aren't happy unless they are complaining
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109 F vs La5 ? What the is wrong with that from an Axis perspective ? One of the fun matchups I think.
They need to up your meds
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Originally posted by Redd
They need to up your meds
Sig material right there.
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at the end of the day it's my $14.95 is it not? If I'm going to have to chase people around for a fight I'll just do it where there are more people to find. sadly that place ain't the CT is it? keep on making set ups that gratify the whims of whichever vulcan CT staffer is doing the set up and pat each other's butts while exclaiming what a great job you guys do. in the mean time another "regular" has checked out. ..I.. :D I'm happy to remain in the MA the CT sucks.
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To quote VWE:
"Just fly and shut up"
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I didn't know the MA had perfectley balanced historical setup's :confused:
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Storch, I meant that "tongue in cheek" I should have put a ghey smiley at the end. :aok
Seriously though, I dont understand why you are so upset about the planes in this set. What would you change if you could?
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I'd add the 109G6 and the 190 A8. the 109G6 for the potato tosser. If you fly the G2 with gondies you can't catch anything, the single pop guns makes it a great assist getter. The snap shot on the 4x20mm A8 is the other thing I'm looking for. what you have on the allied side is all the speed and all the firepower along with extremely durable planes. If I wanted this level of frustration I could go deep sea fishing with ultra light tackle and barbless hooks, play golf on saturdays or wednesdays or try to convince my wife to fellate me without the liberal use of champaign and thoughtful gifts. I don't do any of the afore mentioned and neither will I participate in any of these imbecillic plane sets any further.
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if you know how to fly the planes given, you can have fun with the given planeset, from either side
do you never want to die? cherrypick all the time?
i fly the 109f land kills and also die
i fly the 40e, la5, yak and land kills and die
at this point, it ain't the plane - it be the pilot
some want to make it more the plane to make up for the pilot :)
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The La5 is faster than the 109G-2 below 8k, with the biggest advantage at about 5-6k. Above 6k its speed advantage dwindles quickly and at 8k they are even. All alts above 8k the G-2 is much faster, with the biggest advantage being 25mph at 16k. The 109G-2 holds the climb advantage at all alts above about 4k by at least 500fpm with the biggest advantage of over 1000fpm near 12-13k.
The 109 only loses 10 mph with the addition of the gondies, and at its best alts (which are also coincedentally the La5's worst alts) it will still hold a 15 mph advantage and over 500 fpm climb advantage.
An La5 is meat on the table for a properly flown 109F-4, 109G-2, or 190A-5.
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I believe the problem here is that the setup is historically correct in all aspects. Along the Eastern Front weren't the majority of the air-to-air battles fought on the border of each aircrafts best aspects. From having read many books written about the air war in that front the Germans had air superiority at high alts but the Soviets could scream into a air support role and hit and run before the Germans could react.
In my view that is a historically balanced setup.
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Originally posted by Redd
109 F vs La5 ? What the is wrong with that from an Axis perspective ?
Ever notice the whiners always avoid anwering these?
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Originally posted by Slash27
Ever notice the whiners always avoid anwering these?
I was on briefly the other night and it was a swirling continual fight of 190's ,109F's LA's Yaks and P40's. there was about 10-12 players and it was great fun. There was certainly no feeling of imbalance in the plane-set. I was flying 109F , and catching people wasn't a problem , as everyone was there to fight.
Was one of those times the CT is great
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Originally posted by Slash27
Ever notice the whiners always avoid anwering these?
I don't think we should take notice to how the whiners answer, it is most certainly a given. We would be better suited taking notice to how we answer the whiners, or better yet how we don't answer them.
It is a good setup to most, attempting to justify it to the few only builds animosity.
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Originally posted by storch
If I'm going to have to chase people around for a fight I'll just do it where there are more people to find.
Welcome to our world fighting you guys, lmao
Pot, meet kettle
:D
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So far, seems to be a pretty good set up (if I do say so myself...which I do;)). I've flown Russian, and found the fights pretty balanced, i.e. died plenty of times, but managed to land some too.
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Originally posted by TheBug
It is a good setup to most, attempting to justify it to the few only builds animosity.
I find myself stunned (and very happy) to once again see that Bug is the voice of reason, and he is 100% correct.
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I don't think we should take notice to how the whiners answer, it is most certainly a given. We would be better suited taking notice to how we answer the whiners, or better yet how we don't answer them.
very well put,,,,,,,,is that really thebug???
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Originally posted by TheBug
I don't think we should take notice to how the whiners answer, it is most certainly a given. We would be better suited taking notice to how we answer the whiners, or better yet how we don't answer them.
It is a good setup to most, attempting to justify it to the few only builds animosity.
I'm going to start calling you 'Yoda':D
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haha you wouldn't be the first
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Why bother with this BS...I never seen more than 4 people in the CT in over a year, close it down no one uses the place.
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Originally posted by Schaden
Why bother with this BS...
Wouldn't you posting this be a direct contradiction to what you posted. Obviously you chose to bother.
That is unless your post had an alterior motive. In that case a more in depth explanation may be in order.
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damm bug i liked u better when u was on the DARK side ,,wtf happened,,did they up your meds?
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Originally posted by Krusty
Yak9T has 32 rds of 37mm, and if you actually do that thing, you know? that think that's needed to get kills, oh yes -- "aim" -- then you get plenty of kills with it. The peashooter is, quite literally, useless... Not enough ammo to down a single plane... But enough to keep fighting even if you're out of 37mm ammo. I got 4 kills in 1 sortie once (3 of them were me wasting many rounds on a formation of ju88s). If I can do it, you sure as hell can, because I simply SUCK for aiming.
Yep, I was stoked when I saw this setup.
The trick with the Yak-9T is to fire 3 round bursts. It helps for ammo conservation, and helps remind me to focus on aiming a bit more. Anyhow, 1 hit kills pretty much any fighter.
also consider that the NS-37 cannon has some of the best ballistics in the game. That bullet goes straight and fast. It takes a while to get used to that gun, unless you're used to Hispanos.
I was a bit surprised that the G6 wasn't in there.
-Sik
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Originally posted by TheBug
Wouldn't you posting this be a direct contradiction to what you posted. Obviously you chose to bother.
That is unless your post had an alterior motive. In that case a more in depth explanation may be in order.
Frustration probably - I like it, it seems that no one in my time zone likes it enough to log on so why bother, I've been playing quite a lot lately, bout 40 hours a month up from 20 or so and I have yet to see CT hit double digits any time in the last 6 months let alone last 6 weeks.
2 - 3 at the most it's a dead horse - when I joined AH about 3 years ago there was always people in there now it's deserted - it's just not popular and personally I don't think it bodes well for TOD.
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Originally posted by Schaden
Why bother with this BS...I never seen more than 4 people in the CT in over a year, close it down no one uses the place.
I would like to suggest a week of something along this line, for a change and maybe to get new ppl into CT to check it out:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=150103
set it up with the mid-planeset, leave icons at short, jack the wind layer up above 8k, get a small map with at least one set of bases close (preferably with alt), disable the other bases,gv's base capture, flak, boats, etc ... set it up just like it is described in the thread - then advertise the heck out of it in MA, bbs for the week prior to it running and see what happens
"historic" or not, it would be fun and a nice change
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Originally posted by Eagler
I would like to suggest a week of something along this line, for a change and maybe to get new ppl into CT to check it out:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=150103
Where could we get the map?
- oldman
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Originally posted by Eagler
I would like to suggest a week of something along this line, for a change and maybe to get new ppl into CT to check it out:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=150103
set it up with the mid-planeset, leave icons at short, jack the wind layer up above 8k, get a small map with at least one set of bases close (preferably with alt), disable the other bases,gv's base capture, flak, boats, etc ... set it up just like it is described in the thread - then advertise the heck out of it in MA, bbs for the week prior to it running and see what happens
"historic" or not, it would be fun and a nice change
been mentioned a couple of times that the CT could go in that direction without too much tweaking.
No GV's, no capture , pick some couple of broadish plane sets , lock the fights into a tight area, through the field enabling , and advertise it as the Aerial Combat Arena. Could almost be sure a truckload of Bk's would give it a whirl , as would many others as well. Might even think about fudging some matchups to make the plane sets even if that was needed. or start early war and do a little RPS , day by day
The 10K wind layer is a great idea as well.
What's to lose ? , run it for a week every no and then and see what happens
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Where could we get the map?
- oldman
any map with bases within a sector/sector and a half distance would do, alt is secondary as the cap would be 8k held in check with demonic winds above stated ceiling
heck, the map that's in there now would work - just disable all but one or two bases for each side
I think it'd be suprising fun and crowded
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do a ,Fightr only room,,it will fail worse than the ct is now ,,it may do ok till the novelty wears off of it but i thought that arena already exists its called the DA
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Originally posted by 1redrum
do a ,Fightr only room,,it will fail worse than the ct is now ,,it may do ok till the novelty wears off of it but i thought that arena already exists its called the DA
There are folks in the DA doing...gasp...DUELS.
I don't know how much you fly the DA but engaging someone there is usually only done with permission. What we are looking for is a fuball arena, minus the GVs and land grabbers. I would add in things like no ordinance of any kind, up the ack lethality and hardness 100X to discourage vulching, give both sides the same choice in planesets too so there won't be al the whining about whose plane is 10mph faster then the others (like there was in the beginning of this thread).
I agree it should be done for a week as a test, make a MOTD in the MA too. This is not as a replacement of the CT just as a test of the popularity of the urball map idea. Maybe do it and the CT setup in an every other week thing for two tours and see what happens to the numbers.
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the blue velvet mafia wants their own arena.
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Originally posted by storch
the blue velvet mafia wants their own arena.
Sorta like the leather underwear gang eh?
JKM! :D
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well, ours are more like thongs. :D
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Originally posted by storch
the blue velvet mafia wants their own arena.
We will be pleased to welcome you as warmly in ours, as you have extended to us in yours ;)
but seriously, I think there are many squads/ppl who would find this a fun change and would give it a go.
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the idea has merit, I would suggest the elimination of puffy ack and the high wind thing not so low. 10K might be good as a margin. by keeping the bases close by I don't believe anyone will climb above 5k anyway. that was the one thing I liked about okinawa in AHI. the combatative bases were basically in the same sector and all the fights were low. also keep in mind that if you enable the whole plane set and the ceiling being so low it will be the spitty,niki,lala arena. the usaaf, most raf and luftweenies need a little alt to be competetive. some of the cartoon stars might do well in the 109F4 in that environment the rest of us would just remain in the MA.
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Originally posted by Redd
We will be pleased to welcome you as warmly in ours, as you have extended to us in yours ;)
but seriously, I think there are many squads/ppl who would find this a fun change and would give it a go.
was never ours mate, we were just the most numerous, most commited players as a squad to the arena. the higher up the tree you climb the more you expose your arse to the slings and arrows of the crowd. we were pretty far up that tree.
speaking for myself you can have the current arena and any future iterations.
if squad play ever evolves for this transition I would return. the CT can offer the best non scripted fights when a good set up is presented.
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The mid war plane set looked like this
A6M5b
A6M2
Bf 109E-4
Bf 109F-4
Bf 109G-2
Bf 109G-6
C.202
C.205
F4U-1
F4U-1D
F6F-5
FM2
Fw 190A-8
Fw 190A-5
Fw 190F-8
Hurricane Mk I
Hurricane IIC
Hurricane IID
Ki-61-I-KAIc
Ki-84-Ia
La-5FN
N1K2-J
P-38G
P-38J
P-40B
P-40E
P-47D-11
P-47D-25
P-51B
Seafire IIC
Spitfire Mk IA
Spitfire V
Spitfire Mk IX
Typhoon
Yak-9T
I see no problem with leaving out the Spit V and the Niki and Seafire if that was a concern, and they were the only planes ppl were flying
Would be nice to see a mix of planes in the air, and a diff mix to the MA
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Originally posted by storch
was never ours mate, we were just the most numerous, most commited players as a squad to the arena. the higher up the tree you climb the more you expose your arse to the slings and arrows of the crowd. we were pretty far up that tree.
speaking for myself you can have the current arena and any future iterations.
if squad play ever evolves for this transition I would return. the CT can offer the best non scripted fights when a good set up is presented.
CT with 12-20 can still offer better more fun fights than the MA with 500. I am a little lucky that in my evenings the MA averages about 120-150, and it actually plays very well with those numbers , much better than 500.
If the CT averaged 30-60, with lots of good fights , it's a pretty good option isn't it..
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Originally posted by Redd
CT with 12-20 can still offer better more fun fights than the MA with 500. I am a little lucky that in my evenings the MA averages about 120-150, and it actually plays very well with those numbers , much better than 500.
If the CT averaged 30-60, with lots of good fights , it's a pretty good option isn't it..
That's why I'm always late arriving at work in the mornings. :D the MA is fine with 100-200 players. The CT with 30-60 players would be a nice arena indeed.
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Originally posted by Eagler
I would like to suggest a week of something along this line, for a change and maybe to get new ppl into CT to check it out:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=150103
set it up with the mid-planeset, leave icons at short, jack the wind layer up above 8k, get a small map with at least one set of bases close (preferably with alt), disable the other bases,gv's base capture, flak, boats, etc ... set it up just like it is described in the thread - then advertise the heck out of it in MA, bbs for the week prior to it running and see what happens
"historic" or not, it would be fun and a nice change
Sounds good to me. Let people know ahead of time as a lot of players don't read this BBS.
Count me in!
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go to the DA or H2H if u want that.
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what's it gonna hurt to give it a shot TK? Typical answer to go to DA of course and H2H only allows 7 players a room so that's a no go.
I say give it a shot and FEAR THE FURBALL!!
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Wadke... you live in little WASH PA? :eek:
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Originally posted by TrueKill
go to the DA or H2H if u want that.
want what?
numbers and fun to return to the CT? Yes
sorry cant control the settings in the DA and H2H has ppl numb limits - the CT is the only place we can currently get this up quickly
heck, we are only talking about a week here - it should be a no brainer - what do we have to lose, the half dozen CTer's that now fly in the room?
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Originally posted by Slash27
I'm going to start calling you 'Yoda':D
Funny you should mention that. From last years 880 photo album,
the master giving a pre-mission brief. :D
(http://home.alltel.net/hensons/yoda.jpg)
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Originally posted by Eagler
heck, we are only talking about a week here - it should be a no brainer - what do we have to lose, the half dozen CTer's that now fly in the room?
I'd suggest a minimum of two weeks, with a week of normal CT setup in between. We can use the downtime after the first to play it up before the second. If it fails and nobody shows up we just call it an experiment and go back to 500 dweebs in the perpetual quake-CTF...errr...MA.
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Yep stream i live in Washington, PA hehe :D
You?
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Originally posted by Eagler
want what?
numbers and fun to return to the CT? Yes
sorry cant control the settings in the DA and H2H has ppl numb limits - the CT is the only place we can currently get this up quickly
heck, we are only talking about a week here - it should be a no brainer - what do we have to lose, the half dozen CTer's that now fly in the room?
If you want a non historical setup. All that is, is the MA mixed with the DA. The CT trys to be historical and its fun for most who fly it. That kinda of setup has nothing to do with historical nor does it belong in the CT. What the CT need is more maps and mostly more positive things said about it in the game and on this board. If you run that setup and get new people in the CT they will be comeing for all the wrong reasons. Lets say the CMs do run it and more people show up. What happens the next setup? If they just come because of this setup then the next week we'll be at the same place we are now, but it would be how can we get those people back instead of how can we get people.
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the C in CT is for "Combat"
that's all the proposed setup is about
whats wrong with running it a week or two if more want to try it than do not?
the jg54 thinks its their personal room - LOL
don't worry, you all can gang in the Fighter room too LOL
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I have a couple of setups in the research and works phase that might fit the bill. BUT these setups that I plan to run will not have the full gamut of aircraft but will have very limited rides and very close airbases. Also they will not have screwy wind layers above a certain alt to mess with the game. If you want to fly your P-51 at ludicrous altitude and go ludicruos speed in a dive then so be it.
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I hate to say it but the most arcade fun I ever had was in the arcade arena of Fighter Ace with air starts and arcade physics. No base capture and landing basically meant you were dead but didn't know it yet because you needed to repair a damaged plane. It was usually best to let it drop into the ground and reup another. BUT as I said it was an arcade arena only with crap for physics.
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What kind of maps are u looking at doing Reschke? This has been a very weak point with the CT since AH2.
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Originally posted by Wadke
Yep stream i live in Washington, PA hehe :D
You?
Go Wildthings...:aok
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Originally posted by Eagler
the C in CT is for "Combat"
that's all the proposed setup is about
whats wrong with running it a week or two if more want to try it than do not?
the jg54 thinks its their personal room - LOL
don't worry, you all can gang in the Fighter room too LOL
The CT was made to be a historical setup arena not a furball arena. Thats what you and most the CMs have made it with the stupid non historical setups. Oh and if you want to start with the JG54 bashing you can take the CT and shove it for all I care.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
If you want a non historical setup. All that is, is the MA mixed with the DA. The CT trys to be historical and its fun for most who fly it. That kinda of setup has nothing to do with historical nor does it belong in the CT. What the CT need is more maps and mostly more positive things said about it in the game and on this board. If you run that setup and get new people in the CT they will be comeing for all the wrong reasons. Lets say the CMs do run it and more people show up. What happens the next setup? If they just come because of this setup then the next week we'll be at the same place we are now, but it would be how can we get those people back instead of how can we get people.
The Furball Arena is about non-stop quick action. The DA doesn’t get that, the MA and CT get it randomly for fleeting moments when a CV parks near a land base or bumps into another CV. A few CT maps also get it randomly for a few fleeting moments when a base gets captured that’s less than 10 miles from an enemy base; and only a few maps have a few bases that close.
The Furball Arena is not historical, but it does showcase action and early warbirds will have their place.
eskimo
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Originally posted by TrueKill
The CT was made to be a historical setup arena not a furball arena. Thats what you and most the CMs have made it with the stupid non historical setups. Oh and if you want to start with the JG54 bashing you can take the CT and shove it for all I care.
The best turn-out the CT has ever seen was an Allies vs. Axis set-up (before your time). This was all Allied planes vs. all Axis planes. It was at best quasi-historical, so what. The CT should be a good place for experiments; what has it got to lose?
eskimo
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Originally posted by eskimo2
The CT should be a good place for experiments; what has it got to lose?
The only "loss" I can conceive is that 10-15 vociferous folks might lose their personal playground for a week.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
The CT was made to be a historical setup arena not a furball arena. Thats what you and most the CMs have made it with the stupid non historical setups. Oh and if you want to start with the JG54 bashing you can take the CT and shove it for all I care.
Does this mean you're leaving?
And what "nonhistorical" set ups are you talking about?
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Originally posted by soda72
What kind of maps are u looking at doing Reschke? This has been a very weak point with the CT since AH2.
Shoot me an email and I will let you know. Dux is working on one and I have another idea for something else that may have to get some work done to get to it.
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Originally posted by Reschke
Shoot me an email and I will let you know. Dux is working on one and I have another idea for something else that may have to get some work done to get to it.
I'll shoot you an e-mail Saturday after I get back from a work related trip I have to take....
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I remember the set up Eskimo's talking about. It was indeed kind of a fun change, while still preserving (very loosely) the historical adversarial aspect of the CT. It would be easy to do. Take any of the maps that have a close cluster of a dozen or so bases; completely disable all other fields; disable capture by upping the no. of troops required or making town downtimes extremely short (or both); make hanger downtimes 30 seconds or so. Enable all fighters for each side based along historical lines (hell, give 'em bombers, too). Then, "Release the hounds!" and "Let slip the dogs of war!" Would be a nice change for a week, I'd say.
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Originally posted by Eagler
the C in CT is for "Combat"
that's all the proposed setup is about
whats wrong with running it a week or two if more want to try it than do not?
the jg54 thinks its their personal room - LOL
don't worry, you all can gang in the Fighter room too LOL
Blanket statements aside, how many people is enough so the arena doesn't get used for this? The CT IS Aces High for me, if the CT were gone I would no longer play. If everyone is so confident that this idea will work, use the MA, or I guess that has 'enough' people that their opinion counts. I've taken a break for a couple of weeks but before that I haven't flown on my squads side in months to balance things out so it's not that I enjoy 'gangbanging', I'm usually on the other end of it but it makes be better at flying because of the input I get. This proposed setup does sound exactly like the DA with some tweaks. I don't like the furball of every type of plane going at it, I just don't. No fun in that for me in the slightest. I like the imersion factor and flying against the same plane I'm in takes me out of the sim and puts me into the game.
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plank
you won't be willing to try it for a week?
I think anything and everything should be tried to save CT
it may bomb big or be the spark ppl need to try "the other arena"
God knows nothing "historic" has gotten the numbers in there yet..
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If there is one thing ya do in this arena (which, in all likelihood HT wont approve), is to disable these stupid squads. If some folks wanna fly together, thats fine--just dont encourage the cliques--which invaribaly turn off outsiders. Asidefrom that, mebbe a hi-alt area where folks can have 25k fights in jugs, and the few other planes which excel at the alts most WW2 fights were fought at.
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Eagler I think part of it is that people who don't read the forums don't really know what the "Combat Theater" really is. That is why I would push for a name change first and foremost. While I truly don't think the "FT" gig is the way to go I can say that if its in there then I would at least give it a shot.