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Special Events Forums => Scenario General => Topic started by: Brooke on June 25, 2018, 09:46:14 PM
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Please rate Fjord Fury.
If you played in it, please rate this scenario by giving it a number in the range of -5 (absolutely hated it), to 0 (could take it or leave it), to +5 (absolutely loved it).
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+5
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i was negative about the last scenario because not everyone saw battles in kuban, although i really liked in that one the special op squadron i was part of and i kinda missed that here.
in this one everyone saw battles and they where really great. Also i do think everyone had fun. so that alone is worth a +3.
So a +3 from me!
See you in next one and thanks for organising! <S>
DutchVII
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I took part in frame 2 and 4 and I had a blast! +5
ULTactus
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It was awesome. Plus 5
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+4... enjoyed my self missed one frame . Thanks to all that took the time to put this on :salute
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+4.5 Would be +5 except for the winter terrain making targets very difficult to see. :old:
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+5 for me,
Frame 4 for me was a 4 hour window to escape this unimaginable reality that has hit my family with a ruthless blow on Father's Day(Sunday following frame 3)
I really needed and enjoyed that short escape.....wasn't sure if I would even be able to fly the final frame
All 4 frames were +5 each
I just can't believe I actually tried to dogfight a 152 or might been a 109K4....with 75% fuel and 2 DT's....not realizing I was carrying them only after it came to mind while I gunned for Brooke in frame 4 1st mission......I'll hopefully remember to drop them before I engage next time....ROFL
Awesome Fun and appreciate all the hard work both sides put in to get people to participate
~Salute~
TC / Johnny
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+5. Good fun every frame.
Wiley.
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+3
I had a blast flying the Ta 152 and would give +5, but I think the event turned out to be a bit unbalanced. Some of it was probably down to tactics as frame 3 score presents. I don`t know how many got vulched or jumped after taking off from a field too close and how that affects the score. If I remember correctly then cease fire was called early on couple frames because almost no axis was in flight.
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+4.5
all was fun, especially because a bomber based scenario... but these new-to-me things were refreshingly different from other scenarios :
1> Norway map
2> Winter (makes bombing more challenging)
3> pretty puffy CLOUDS (thwarted some of our bombers randomly but typically cleared up at the exact two crucial seconds)
4> 256,000 pound targets (ships) requiring two squadrons of bomber groups
Felt like real scrappy ww2 action
thanks
I enjoyed it a lot
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+5 Thanks to all who participated and the ones who put the scenario together.
One-eye
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I'd give it a really solid +2.
One side winning all four frames indicates to me there is probably some kind of design, balance, or scoring deficiency. I prefer historically accurate settings, so this plane set was too much of a stretch for me. Also I like more variety - this one was just four frames of the same mission - escorted high altitude heavy bomber strike.
The terrain and cloud settings were superb. Fighting in and around the clouds was fantastic.
<S>
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+4.5...
Would have given it a +5 but it wasn't skewed in my favor as
I only got 1-2 kills and a few assists over the entire scenario :D
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+3
The event was a little one sided until the Axis applied some true defensive tactics. Then it was a hoot! Takes both side to make the event fun and exciting.
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+4.....it was fun.....thanks to all who put it together and provided the leadership..... :old:
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I'd give it a really solid +2.
One side winning all four frames indicates to me there is probably some kind of design, balance, or scoring deficiency. I prefer historically accurate settings, so this plane set was too much of a stretch for me. Also I like more variety - this one was just four frames of the same mission - escorted high altitude heavy bomber strike.
The terrain and cloud settings were superb. Fighting in and around the clouds was fantastic.
<S>
Oboe said it well. +2 Obviously the history nut in me didn't like the plane set being so not historical. I had fun flying with the Mustang IIIs in oboe's well done 315 skin. I would agree that if it were to run again that some tweaks would need to be done to even it out a bit more.
Obviously the lack of numbers really detracts from what scenarios can be as well
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Historically accurate would be either Lancasters against nothing or Lancs,Mossies and Mustangs against the G-6, 110, 410 and A-8.
I believe that the axis suffered from low numbers and a bit lack of discipline. At least in frame 2 they lost almost an entire squad during the first boming run due to people reupped and got killed a 2nd time so when the 2nd bomb run launched there wherent enough axis pilots left to put up a fight. But this was by far the best setup for the axis, normally they have to do this with G-6 and A-8 only so having K-4:s and Ta:s was a huge improvement.
As for the scoring its always a bit complicated how to count the damage done by bombers and there are unfortunately no general rule to follow. An idea might be to determine the winner by looking at the scenario objectives. For ex if the allies sink Tirpitz they win, if they fail the axis wins.
But overall this was a 3, not so accurate historically as mentioned but it gave people a chance to fly all the LW monsters against each other and thats a rare opportunity in scenarios.
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+4
I really enjoyed it! I especially like the opportunity to fly with other players I don't normally fly with. Always prefer a historically accurate plane set, but this being said, understand the need to maintain enough balance to keep it interesting for all players, and appreciate the effort by all who helped with planning and leadership. Thanks to all who participated! :cheers:
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+4.5, It was a great escape for me from all the BS I'm going through right now. Diving into so many lancs in my A8 was a rush for sure, only drawback for me was the fact my FR dropped so bad when I got close to all the formations!!!! It got down to less than a 4 FR !!!!! Kudos to the allies for sure, they did a good job protecting the bombers!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :salute :salute :salute
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I'd like to see some non sugar coated assessments on this thing. What happened to the Axis? If everyone keeps saying "this was wonderful I had such a good time cant wait for the next one" they will not improve and this same crap will continue on and on and on.
I know not everyone thought this thing was a wonderful feel good time. I'd like some GLs to jump in as well with some improvements what did you see what did you hear? PM me if you don't want to put it out here as I will defiantly drag it up. If it's my lot in life to be the bad guy about these things so be it. I want these events to be better and currently no one is providing REAL feedback to help make them better. These events will continue to degrade so long as no one complains and just is happy with what we have.
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Yes, Vudu, I agree that these threads provide very little value in actually assessing if a scenario was designed and balanced properly.
Glad the grunts had fun though.
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I'd like to see some non sugar coated assessments on this thing. What happened to the Axis? ...
You can find Ditto`s post here (June 24): http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,393274.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,393274.0.html)
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Thanks sir yeah thats what I was looking for. The way I see it this reflects the speed at which these events develop. Limited time to look at the rules and then recruit folks. And as long as we continue to allow the pace to be forced on us by participating it will continue.
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+2. I had a good time and it was a nice introduction back into the game after around a decade, but it was essentially like loading up the same campaign mission in a single-player game eight times except with humans to talk to. I understand that it's hard to balance having a wide swath of mission type opportunities with ensuring both sides end up in the same section of sky, especially given the drastically reduced participation numbers as compared to 12 or 13 years ago, but that's still my major niggle in this case.
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If you played in it, please rate this scenario by giving it a number in the range of -5 (absolutely hated it), to 0 (could take it or leave it), to +5 (absolutely loved it).
Devil, Brooke isn't looking for input on why some didn't participate. -5 and no I didn't fly it. Your methods are biased. Anyone who flew it would have gotten something out of it so it's impossible to rate it and see you did anything wrong.
This event kept me completely out of anything related to this "scenario". Every Single Element. Think about that for a minute.
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+3.5
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5
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:aok +5 I enjoyed it IMMENSELY! I really cant think of a reason to complain. The terrain was cool(pun intended). The Axis being able to launch BEFORE allied air spawned was a neat touch. Only issue I had...NOt ENOUGH participants :uhoh I dont have those answers. I just really like the format of these scenarios. Its more structured,I guess? You are given a task and know what your mission is. Its just different enough from Main Arenas to motivate me. Something different I guess. As was mentioned earlier though, maybe mixing up targets or some changes in mission parameters would have really juiced things up a bit. I could see how some may have gotten bored with it after 1 or 2 frames, but being with my guys made it fun! Ok, now that I think about it, maybe an evolving FRONT? Like week 1: Base x and Vh's xxx are targets-Attackers get them all and next targets for next frame are X or y or z: the next week depending on damage done its bases X,Y,z and A and so on till overall victory conditions. As weeks progress it gets harder or easier depending on the side that did their jobs the best? Just to mix it up,if defenders do their jobs best, they know your targets...if the defenders fail, they have more targets to defend. Spreads them out more as more targets are threatened. It would be that way on a moving front? Just throwing it out there :salute
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+4
The Good :
Good Map
Short intervals between takeoff and fight ( as opposed to the big Germany scenario where you averaged more than an hour of fight before a good fight started.
Nice setup of planes
Good leadership on both sides.
For Improvement :
Narrow down target area: its impossible to defend a big chunk of map with small number of defenders.
Devil505 - where is my White 20 A8 skin ? :D, winter skin's would have improved the very good scenario settings even more !
MANY THANKS to Brooke who organized a very nice scenario.
If work would would have allowed me, I would been in all frames for sure.
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Devil505 - where is my White 20 A8 skin ?
I've got a new 190A series template in the works, so "White 20" is on the list for the A-8. Heinz Bar's "Red 13" will be the first A-8 and then who knows.
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+2
Liked the Norwgian winter landscape. Plane set and matchup was alright. Considering four weeks in summer I imagine, We had a hard time to keep the same pilots in our group online to build routine (4 of 6 were walkons/transfers in the last frame). Targets on the coastline and Axis restricted to two lives limited our intercept/combat time - which is needed to wear down buffs. Having the objectives staying down for the entire event helped a little, but the nature of the scenario did make it seem repetitive. No trouble finding the enemy, but multiple factors together quickly put our Fw-190A8s on the defensive which was not a good place to be with our fewer numbers.
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Well, even though it was my idea for the scenario, I have to rate this at a +2.
Some of the problems have been pointed out.
Coastal targets making time over territory for the bombers very short.
Coastal airfields making damaged Luftwaffe planes easy targets for vulching allied aircraft.
Taking away the 109 G-14 group limiting the new players to the K4 that has only 60 rounds of 30MM. This made having to re-arm after a short engagement necessary allowing the bombers to flee and Luftwaffe getting vulched.
Luftwaffe numbers, cannot account for the player base to show up in a design. The allied side filled up almost immediately, Luftwaffe, not so much. I had a lot of walk-ons every frame. Some of whom had never flown scenarios before. Also, some of the capable group leaders that usually fly Luftwaffe decided to sit this one out as well as other usual scenario players.
The scoring was way jacked up.
On a positive note. The fights were fun though sometimes short.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9wHvpyEQrg&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9wHvpyEQrg&feature=youtu.be)
The plane set was good and was fun to fly later aircraft.
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That was my honest opinion. As far as the scoring or the mechanics of the scenario, yeah there were issues but I've pretty much given up on giving a damn about the spreadsheet. I genuinely had fun and that was more than I've come to expect from scenarios lately.
Wiley.
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I walked on for two frames I believe. I enjoyed flying LW this time a great deal. Met some new good people and I know a lot of people in this community having been here since day one.
Summer time had prolly a lot to do with attendance. Some of us Scenario participants who have been participating in these events for 20 years or better are spoiled though. Low participant numbers have started killing these events for quite awhile. I'm a History Junky like Dan. We always had more of that in the past. These events to be special events, should make more time for forming a team, recruiting and practicing. The more participants the closer the event can become to reality. The adjustments for balancing also make me cringe a bit.
All in all with the limited time I did participate I'd give it at most a 2. It is of course because of the low number of participants. Maybe next time announce the Scenario/Special Event way in advance. Let participants know they will have time to recruit, form Teams and practice. More then we have now. Then after a good period of time (I dunno what that will look like) look at the number of registrants, publicize the event again and take more time to recruit and gain even more participants. I think the low water mark should be at least 150 participants no less hope fully more. The design can be made in a more realistic manner. Terrain size combat will be flown on increased area, targets unknown. Squadrons launching from more then just a few bases. Areas of defensive responsibilities. All this can be real if we get the numbers up. So time to recruit and plan. Patience on starting the Scenario (having the numbers to do so) will go along way from melee arena flying and closer to a real WWII battle in the air. I think in this instance the designers job will be easier and the history junky can be satisfied. Thanks to the CMS. I wish I could do the things I've listed.
Your personal time is appreciated by me.
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+4 for me. It was a good outing for bombers.
We took some real damage in some frames. I was sorry to hear that these times when we died or limped smoking home with no real damage done to our targets cost too many Axis fighter lives. The defense against bombers was possible, but the cost was to high too sustain against our second missions apparently.
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+2
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+5 for me
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+5 from a bomber pilots viewpoint, but that is not the final score I would give the scenario. The targets were tough to see, which made some of us miss hitting or it might have been even more of a blow out. The Axis had good defense at times, but at others it was almost a cake walk for us, so more opposition would be really cool. Even though the allies "won", I too, think the scoring was off a bit. Scenarios that end up with one side winning all four are probably in need of a tweak or two. Our fighter escort was superb, better than I have seen in a long time, but what was the real reason? Allied air superiority, pilot involvement, or something else. Yes, we bomber pilots had sweat pouring off of us for a short periods of time, but would have liked a bit more interdiction from the defense, and I do not mean that as a slam to the axis fighter pilots. When they hit us, it was pretty good, and I salute the axis pilots for what they did accomplish, being under manned and without some of the better planes. I would like to see more ability for each side to have the chance to score. Having given the +5 from my perspective as a B-24 pilot, I think the best overall score I would give this one would be a +2.5. Maybe the next scenario might use German bombers only so we could mix up the folks side choice a bit. I would certainly chose bomber pilot for either side given that bombers were only available to the Axis side, and there are others who always choose the bomber mission. I am sure there must have been axis bombing in places other than jolly old England. Just my opinion. It was a fun time, and I thank Brooke for letting me in last minute. Thank you to all who participated, hope we can get the participation rate up higher, though.