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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wagger on April 12, 2013, 12:05:13 AM
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Well it is not fast. But my first kill was a Spit XVI who went into the fish manuver and met a tree he could not resist. My second was a Brewster. It is unusual to see a Brewster panic and realize it can not out manuver his opponent. Has its good points and it bad points. But is fun to fly.
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I am a fan. That is all.
~S~
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Got lucky on my first ki43 mission and got two He111.
I took it up to 38,000 feet and found no exploitable bugs at super high altitudes.
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I just love it. :salute
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Such a god-send.
The thing is so fun with flaps, does some epic manouvres.
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The Ki43 is great fun.
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flew it last night in the AVA almost exclusively. it was a very fun plane. while I'm not the best pilot, i found it easy to fly, and very forgiving. I'm glad to see it in the stable of japanese planes, it will be a fun new addition! i even got kills with it, so that alone is a bonus!
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I can't wait Ki-43 skins. :)
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Ki-43.
The plane that taught me the skill of shooting true and deadly in WarBirds.
One of my all-time favourites, right after my trusty Dora.
Oh yes, oh yes....
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I have waited a long time for this plane.
Thank you very much HTC :salute
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I can't wait Ki-43 skins. :)
I've done one extra Ki-43 skin, a 50th Sentai aircraft with the lightning bolt running down the rear fuselage. I'll post some screenshots of it in the skins forum in the next day or two.
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Upped in it with a couple of squadies last night....was a hoot!! :aok
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Mixed it up with the Ki-43 about 15 times last night. Very dificult to hit, They turn like kites in a tornado. I do not think I shot a single one down. One the flip side I think every single one of them ended up on my six at distances between 200 and 400 yards. I do not believe any shot me down. A kill may have been recorded after I extended and got killed by a plane with effective guns. Worst damage I took was a radiator leak. The firepower is very weak. I just went full throttle and walked away from them swaying very gently. After a minute they drappoed far behind and turned off. I don't see them being the threat Brewesters are. :salute
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Mixed it up with the Ki-43 about 15 times last night. Very dificult to hit, They turn like kites in a tornado. I do not think I shot a single one down. One the flip side I think every single one of them ended up on my six at distances between 200 and 400 yards. I do not believe any shot me down. A kill may have been recorded after I extended and got killed by a plane with effective guns. Worst damage I took was a radiator leak. The firepower is very weak. I just went full throttle and walked away from them swaying very gently. After a minute they drappoed far behind and turned off. I don't see them being the threat Brewesters are. :salute
True. I took a wing off a Jug , after i used all my ammo. To all the other planes i had in sight, nothing or as you said, minimal damage. Thou, it's a fun plane to fly.
IENA
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Dunno.
Years ago I had a P-47N try to walk away from my D3A and his tail came off before he got away. The Ki-43 has about three times the firepower of the D3A and better acceleration. I've also shot a fair number of planes down with the same two 12.7mm guns on the Ki-84 and they aren't that bad.
Certainly it has weak firepower, but I wouldn't pretend it can be ignored.
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Dunno.
Years ago I had a P-47N try to walk away from my D3A and his tail came off before he got away. The Ki-43 has about three times the firepower of the D3A and better acceleration. I've also shot a fair number of planes down with the same two 12.7mm guns on the Ki-84 and they aren't that bad.
Certainly it has weak firepower, but I wouldn't pretend it can be ignored.
Exactly... they will be very dangerous in the right hands... I don't see them going the way of the 410 in a couple weeks.
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I don't see them going the way of the 410 in a couple weeks.
:headscratch:
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:headscratch:
The 410's usage was high when it first came out, now it's borderline hangar queen.
My opinion is that the Ki-43 will continue to be seen in base-defense and deck furballs quite often, even after the new car smell has worn off.
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The 410's usage was high when it first came out, now it's borderline hangar queen.
All plane's have an initially high usage that quickly frops of. That's the nature of things and will happen to the Ki-43 too.
That being said, the Me 410 is as much borderline hangar queen as the Ta-152, the Me 262, The F4U-C or the Il-2, which all do have about the same level of kills&deaths at the moment. Right now, the Me 410 is #38 in useage (=k+d) out of 93 planes.
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All plane's have an initially high usage that quickly frops of. That's the nature of things and will happen to the Ki-43 too.
That being said, the Me 410 is as much borderline hangar queen as the Ta-152, the Me 262, The F4U-C or the Il-2, which all do have about the same level of kills&deaths at the moment. Right now, the Me 410 is #38 in useage (=k+d) out of 93 planes.
Prime time MA, I see far less 410s than 110s... and the planes you are comparing to are quite a bit more specialized and/or perked than what should be the best Zerstorer the Luftwaffe produced.
I think you will see more Ki-43s than Me-410s as time goes on... but again, we'll see.
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Prime time MA, I see far less 410s than 110s... and the planes you are comparing to are quite a bit more specialized and/or perked than what should be the best Zerstorer the Luftwaffe produced.
But not a borderline hangar queen, and that's my point ;)
The Me 410 is not all that rare, despite it's very limited application in the AH combat environment (which differs a lot from the 'real world', which is why we see a lot of planes used in a different way or with very different success from there)
I think you will see more Ki-43s than Me-410s as time goes on... but again, we'll see.
I won't argue against this. :old:
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The Ki-43's ability to out turn anything else in the game gives it a niche role that should prevent it being a hangar queen. It will be a real annoyance to anyone who flies a Brewster, Hurricane or A6M.
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The Ki-43's ability to out turn anything else in the game gives it a niche role that should prevent it being a hangar queen. It will be a real annoyance to anyone who flies a Brewster, Hurricane or A6M.
It will be a great defender in CV attacks on land bases :old:
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fun plane, very stable, me being a TnB dweeb it was quite a blast, but the firepower is lacking which will make it difficult to get quick kills, which in turn will stop people from using it in the MA...I had fun but found myself missing the 20's on the 84....
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fun plane, very stable, me being a TnB dweeb it was quite a blast, but the firepower is lacking which will make it difficult to get quick kills, which in turn will stop people from using it in the MA...I had fun but found myself missing the 20's on the 84....
Yeah but think of it as a trainer for your gunnery in the Ki-84... :lol
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I've done one extra Ki-43 skin, a 50th Sentai aircraft with the lightning bolt running down the rear fuselage. I'll post some screenshots of it in the skins forum in the next day or two.
Yay! :rock
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If they had ever gotten it out of the prototype stage, the 2x20mm version of this plane would have been a lot of fun in the game.
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Yeah but think of it as a trainer for your gunnery in the Ki-84... :lol
I am glad it was put in, got me back in game and flying, then I realized how much I love flying and fighting, and miss the crap out of it, :rofl
If they had ever gotten it out of the prototype stage, the 2x20mm version of this plane would have been a lot of fun in the game.
most definitely :aok
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I like it so far. Last night the greatest danger I faced was from other Ki-43s. Obviously you don't have much to work with as far as guns, but I did take down a Spit 8 with a short burst to the wing root at convergence. Mostly, though, I got assists.
I can't wait to mix it up with a P-40! :aok
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If they had ever gotten it out of the prototype stage, the 2x20mm version of this plane would have been a lot of fun in the game.
Yep, although for the III-Otsu prototype, they had replaced the butterfly flaps with split flaps. I guess they figured that they had a smaller tun radius than the US fighters anyway...
But Pyro, the regular -III would be a lot of fun still... ;)
...not saying that -II isn't though. :)
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I like it so far. Last night the greatest danger I faced was from other Ki-43s. Obviously you don't have much to work with as far as guns, but I did take down a Spit 8 with a short burst to the wing root at convergence. Mostly, though, I got assists.
I can't wait to mix it up with a P-40! :aok
P40 stands NO chance against one(in the hands of a fighter)
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If they had ever gotten it out of the prototype stage, the 2x20mm version of this plane would have been a lot of fun in the game.
Everyone thinks so... :)
But I could get 5-7 kills in a sortie (of course I resupplied ammo), 2 Ho-103 loadout ain't so bad against enemy fighters.
The Ki-43 is good bird in TnB and Furball. :)
Pyro, really thank you for releasing this bird, it's really fun! :salute
BTW, The Ki-43 carries 250 rounds Ho-103 ammo per gun in the game, but it could carry 270 rounds in the fact.
Can you confirm it and increase ammo in next patch?
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P40 stands NO chance against one(in the hands of a fighter)
I think he means from the historical "Flying Tigers" POV.
I flew it a bit last night, but didn't really wring it out. I did latch on to a Brew which was quite satisfying, but alas the time you have to spend in the saddle got me kilt before I could poke enough tiny holes in him. :frown:
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Yep, although for the III-Otsu prototype, they had replaced the butterfly flaps with split flaps. I guess they figured that they had a smaller tun radius than the US fighters anyway...
But Pyro, the regular -III would be a lot of fun still... ;)
...not saying that -II isn't though. :)
+1 ;)
-III is good addition for LMA. It's faster, and still outstanding turn fighter. ;)
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I think he means from the historical "Flying Tigers" POV.
I flew it a bit last night, but didn't really wring it out. I did latch on to a Brew which was quite satisfying, but alas the time you have to spend in the saddle got me kilt before I could poke enough tiny holes in him. :frown:
ahhh........ durrrr :rofl
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BTW, The Ki-43 carries 250 rounds Ho-103 ammo per gun in the game, but it could carry 270 rounds in the fact.
Can you confirm it and increase ammo in next patch?
I can if you provide me a source.
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If they had ever gotten it out of the prototype stage, the 2x20mm version of this plane would have been a lot of fun in the game.
Who says HTC can't fiddle with history? :devil
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I was about 5 to 1 K/D with it last night many folks will wish for me to return to the Brewster so they can escape my slow moving wrath. :devil
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Everyone thinks so... :)
But I could get 5-7 kills in a sortie (of course I resupplied ammo), 2 Ho-103 loadout ain't so bad against enemy fighters.
The Ki-43 is good bird in TnB and Furball. :)
Pyro, really thank you for releasing this bird, it's really fun! :salute
BTW, The Ki-43 carries 250 rounds Ho-103 ammo per gun in the game, but it could carry 270 rounds in the fact.
Can you confirm it and increase ammo in next patch?
My two sources say 250rpg, but I don't have anything I would put money on.
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ki43 + small map, it must have been one hell of a night :)
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Had one of the best fights in my short AH time last night flying the ki43. 109F, typh, p51 and a p38 all against me in a low alt fight. The ki performed admirably in the constant avoidance of B and Z attacks, the turn rate and roll rate made reversals so much faster i managed to get rounds into all four enemys, shooting down the typh (well i smoked his rad then he augered), 109 and sending the p38 home with a very smoky engine. P51 kept me honest enough to get an assist when i was eventually felled by a c202 .
Its a very capable little aircraft, although when you pull the ailerons off in a turn at speed anything i tried wouldnt straighten it out lol :joystick:
:salute EatG
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Every book I have shows 250rpg on the Ki-43, I have nothing that shows otherwise (higher or lower), most of my books are in Japanese or filipino.
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Did not fight anything with it last night. Just took it up for a test flight. The ailerons came off in a steep dive @ about 400 mph. But one cool thing, I put it in a 60 degree climb with no wep and a full tank of gas and it never stalled. Just kept chugging along at about 110 mph.
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I can if you provide me a source.
Let me check my books at home - my Weapons of War series might source it.
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Like with the Brewster, if you don't get stupid and turn with it, the Ki-43 isn't a threat at all. Also, it doesn't take much ammo to bring one down. Both encounters I had with Ki-43s last night, each only needed a single burst of .50s to bring them down.
ack-ack
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Did HTC model the 400 rpm synched firing rate for the larger caliber gun?
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Did HTC model the 400 rpm synched firing rate for the larger caliber gun?
No. HTC has never modeled that and if they did now they'd be singling out the Ki-43. I recall that all synchronized guns in AH lose 10% of their RoF.
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Like the HE111 it will be popular in the LW MA for two weeks. Then most will go back to their usual uber rides as soon as the novelty wears off.
Thankful for the 205 model though, been long over due to update one of the coolest plane in the set. (second to Yaks). :-) :aok
Hopefully Yaks will be next....
<S>...-Gixer
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I can if you provide me a source.
Thank you, I had a sourse but I lost all books of WWII planes. :(
I tell P-kun it, and I hope he will scan its source... :)
BTW I have another question.
Is "new type ma-103" high-explosive ammo of Ho-103 simulated in the game?
It helped Ki-43's weak armament since late 1943.
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It helped Ki-43's weak armament since late 1943.
Assuming it has the same damage as the Ki-84's against structures I expect it is. The Ho-103 is the third best heavy machine gun in the game, being better than the German and Italian guns and worse than the Russian and American guns.
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From the Ki-43 gunnery Manual.
Download Link ===>> http://www64.zippyshare.com/v/89969087/file.html
Copy both files to your sights directory. JPType100.bmp - JPType100.mil
Type 100 Gunsight Reticle
(http://imageshack.us/a/img560/4571/jptype100.gif)
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From the Ki-43 gunnery Manual.
Download Link ===>> http://www64.zippyshare.com/v/89969087/file.html
Copy both files to your sights directory. JPType100.bmp - JPType100.mil
Type 100 Gunsight Reticle
(http://imageshack.us/a/img560/4571/jptype100.gif)
Domo arigato.
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Like with the Brewster, if you don't get stupid and turn with it, the Ki-43 isn't a threat at all. Also, it doesn't take much ammo to bring one down. Both encounters I had with Ki-43s last night, each only needed a single burst of .50s to bring them down.
ack-ack
Once you hit it. Only took you five passes. ;)
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Once you hit it. Only took you five passes. ;)
It's a nimble plane and you did a good job in denying me an angle for a few passes until I got you slow enough that you couldn't avoid it.
ack-ack
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Ok take back what I said about Ki43, spent more time with it, and it's a lot of fun provided some of most entertaining fights I've had of late. MG and ammo load are fine under 250.
Thanks HT, one of most fun rides released in a while imho.
<S>...-Gixer
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Thanks HT, one of most fun rides released in a while imho.
Agreed. WHAT A GREAT PLANE! For those who are used to the massive firepower of the 202 or the Hurri I, the armament is not so bad. No sense firing at more than 200 yards range, but who does that anyway?
The plane does not turn around, instead it simply reverses itself. Visibility is excellent once you adjust the cockpit views. It even has a little bit of WEP. Range is to Japanese standards.
Two drawbacks: (a) it loses parts if it goes too fast. Was in some Most Excellent Fights with Roofies and lost rudder in a dive. I don't think I've ever lost parts in a dive in any other plane. (Works pretty good without the rudder, though.) (b) very poor low speed stall, which works its way ALMOST into the Spit I inverted spin. Beware.
The plane begs to be opposed by the early- and mid-war plane sets. Can't wait, this is going to be a lot of fun.
- oldman
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I can if you provide me a source.
I provide you, but can you understand Japanese?
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43007.jpg
If you have interesting other Ki43, plz check this.
I add some English.
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43008.jpg
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No. HTC has never modeled that and if they did now they'd be singling out the Ki-43. I recall that all synchronized guns in AH lose 10% of their RoF.
They have to start somewhere. They only did the 10% out of ignorance. There are tons of references on the subject, including Tony Williams himself.
All they would have to do is copy the weapon files for the Ho103, rename it Ho103S (synched) or whatever they do, and lower the RoF. It really isn't that hard. The existing code is in place. The ballistics are all there. Just needs a lower RoF.
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I provide you, but can you understand Japanese?
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43007.jpg
If you have interesting other Ki43, plz check this.
I add some English.
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43008.jpg
Thank you, Pkun! :salute
The second source is very interesting too.
The Ki-43-II has pretty good climb performance, and the -III has more engine power and it's still very light weight. :)
It's why IJAAF ace pilot loved -III. ;) "I never lose in it", it's true. :salute
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Assuming it has the same damage as the Ki-84's against structures I expect it is. The Ho-103 is the third best heavy machine gun in the game, being better than the German and Italian guns and worse than the Russian and American guns.
Against buffs and well-armed fighters, only 2 Machine-guns are very poor as you know.
I hit Fw190 cockpit with burst shot, he was still flying normally. :(
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How about a slightly perked -III version?
Like 5-10 perks?
And a -I for scenarios?
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How about a slightly perked -III version?
Like 5-10 perks?
And a -I for scenarios?
A perk is not needed.
1502 -III version has been produced, only 2 MG had.
It's ENY 25-30 fighter.
-I is very nice for early war arena, and scenarios.
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the 2 machine guns didn't stop hitech from shooting my pony 400 out with a single burst :furious
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the 2 machine guns didn't stop hitech from shooting my pony 400 out with a single burst :furious
Someone that was flying a Corsair was complaining the guns on the Ki-43 were over modeled because an Oscar shot him down. According to the Corsair pilot, the Ki-43s bullets should have bounced off his Corsair. :rofl
ack-ack
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Sincere thanks to AH and staff for the great job you have done on the ki-43. :aok
I think you modeled it really well.
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Someone that was flying a Corsair was complaining the guns on the Ki-43 were over modeled because an Oscar shot him down. According to the Corsair pilot, the Ki-43s bullets should have bounced off his Corsair. :rofl
ack-ack
When I shot down spit16 in D3A, he said the same thing. :lol
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Very slow with poor guns, poor diving speed it seems.
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Someone that was flying a Corsair was complaining the guns on the Ki-43 were over modeled because an Oscar shot him down. According to the Corsair pilot, the Ki-43s bullets should have bounced off his Corsair. :rofl
ack-ack
The first night somebody typed, "Is it me or do the ki43's guns hit like 20mm?". I also remember somebody else saying, "oh man the brewster tards are going to be whining about ki43s now". To which I replied, nah, the players who whine about the brewsters are the ones who will be whining about the oscar.
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Zeke, Brewster, Oscar..... scavenger birds... "Hey there is a red guy dodging three cons low and slow on the deck.... a kill for me!"
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Zeke, Brewster, Oscar..... scavenger birds... "Hey there is a red guy dodging three cons low and slow on the deck.... a kill for me!"
Just derogatory stuff from a guy who fights in a different kite.
I see way more P-51s picking off people who are engaged in a dogfight than I do anything else.
I have also had way to many me vs others in your "scavenger birds" in which I have gotten many kills to credit accuracy to your claim.
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Just derogatory stuff from a guy who fights in a different kite.
I see way more P-51s picking off people who are engaged in a dogfight than I do anything else.
I have also had way to many me vs others in your "scavenger birds" in which I have gotten many kills to credit accuracy to your claim.
Just an observation there karnak..... tis why I didn't call them picker birds... they are how they are flown, which in the MA is scavenger birds... since I've been back, I've been killed once by one of those planes 1 vs 1, that was an oscar the other night... all other deaths by those planes have occured when I'm already fighting others and they creep in.... just like a scavenger! Since the oscar is new, I see more folks flying them in a picking role, or looking for a 1 vs 1, but it will in time join the ranks of the zeke and brew as nothing more than a skilless hero, 4th plane in! :aok
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Just an observation there karnak..... tis why I didn't call them picker birds... they are how they are flown, which in the MA is scavenger birds... since I've been back, I've been killed once by one of those planes 1 vs 1, that was an oscar the other night... all other deaths by those planes have occured when I'm already fighting others and they creep in.... just like a scavenger! Since the oscar is new, I see more folks flying them in a picking role, or looking for a 1 vs 1, but it will in time join the ranks of the zeke and brew as nothing more than a skilless hero, 4th plane in! :aok
As I said, your opinion is colored by what and how you fly. Having flown a mix in the game I don't agree with your assessment. Just because that is how they usually get you does not extend to mean that is how they usually get others.
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isnt any aircraft that jumps into a fight an opportunist regardless of what type of aircraft it is ?
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If slow turny birds are scavengers, what are the 51Ds, F4Us, 190s and P38s that hover on a perch and take swipes at people actually fighting?
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Basic page layout set up for filling in with info and images http://www.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/Ki-43-II
Log in is same as your forum ID
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I did manage to shoot down a single Lancaster in a Ki-43 but I used all but 20 rounds to do it and later I got out ran by a A-20 I was after. I do like it it is very maneuverable and it took hits better than I thought it would.
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To expound on my earlier comment about Skyrock's experience being based on what and how he flies I'd like to give some examples.
The Brewster, which has generated a lot of complaints, has never been a threat to me when flying something like the P-51 or Mosquito simply because I don't get slow enough to be its prey. Now, if I get forced slow and one is on me that would be Skyrock's example of it being a scavenger, but that is entirely based on me flying a fighter that needs to be kept fast or with escape routes. When I am in a Ki-84 or A6M the fact that I am knife fighting makes the Brewster, or Ki-43, much more of a threat, but in being a threat they do not have to be scavengers as I am already engaged in the kind of fight they thrive in.
Scavengers are more the players than the planes and it is very situational. I recall plinking away at a Mosquito while flying a C.202. He was making enough mistakes to not be able to use his speed to escape, but being squirley enough that I, with my poor gunnery, was taking time in killing him, but the end result was inevitable if the two of us were left to it, but it was not to be. A Typhoon came screaming in and blew the slow Mosquito to bits with his four 20mm cannon, getting the kill. I have had many experiences like that in planes that Skyrock labels as only being scavenger birds.
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No worries Karnak, he's just a pony hero....600mph picktard...there just in time for the kill, but not long enough for a fight.
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Karnak, I made my statement because when I do find myself fighting multiples, I occasionally see a plane bypass the gangbang, just fly on by.... but if it is a zeke or a brester, it never bypasses the gangbang... ever... ever... no matter how many I'm already fighting, the zeke or the brew always... always.... keeps coming to join in... tis why I called them scavenger planes.... out of all the sorties, and run-ins with brews and zekes, this is what I see ingame.... and the only time I die to them is when I am being ganged and they creep on in for the scavenge! It is only my opinion from my experiences... but I bet I'm not the only one that sees them in this way... :aok
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My Zero/Brewster/Hurricane has bypassed many a gangbang. I don't participate in the aggressor side of those unless it forms after I have engaged. I am sure I am not the only one who flies them that way.
I will merrily dive into a gangbang in one if it is a friendly getting banged.
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Just beause yours bypasses doesnt mean the other do. Similiar logic that you are using against SR.
I agree with SR on this one. It is very rare to be killed by a brewster/a6m in a 1 vs 1. It most frequently happens when I am engaged with 1 or more faster planes (51s, la7, 109s, etc) and then the brew/a6m comes creeping in after the other have slowed me down...but before one of them could finish me off.
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Just beause yours bypasses doesnt mean the other do. Similiar logic that you are using against SR.
That is true, to a point. I am not arguing that none of them are scavengers though, merely that they aren't all such. If I were to go purely by my experience the P-51D and Fw190D-9 would be the biggest scavengers.
I agree with SR on this one. It is very rare to be killed by a brewster/a6m in a 1 vs 1. It most frequently happens when I am engaged with 1 or more faster planes (51s, la7, 109s, etc) and then the brew/a6m comes creeping in after the other have slowed me down...but before one of them could finish me off.
That is fine, but it is higher conditional to what you fly and how you fly it. If you stick to fast rides and don't fly dumb, that will be your overwhelming experience with them. On the other hand if you fly things that mix it up you will have a lot more non-scavenger type encounters with them.
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I couldn't hit the slippery rascal.
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I thought that the Ki-43 wouldn't be that good in the MA because of weak armament -- but Ki-43's are quite good. True, you won't be doing any snapshot kills in one, but the armament seems more lethal than that of a Hurri I, Spit I, or C.202. And they are so very, very nimble. I did several sorties in one yesterday for the first time, and two of them were landing 3 kills. In the mix included an F4U, P-38, and F4F, so the Ki-43 can kill sturdy planes, too. Also, although it sheds parts at very high speeds, it stays maneuverable up to that point, unlike Zeros, which get extremely sluggish at high speed.
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brews and zekes, this is what I see ingame.... and the only time I die to them is when I am being ganged and they creep on in for the scavenge! It is only my opinion from my experiences...
I use to think the same way towards other planes, but it's not the plane in particular it's those behind the stick, not what you fly it's how you fly it. Doesn't matter what you are in and how many you are already vs.. But there is always some tard in a Brew,Spit,Dweebfire or Pony that feels he needs to make it a 4 or 5 on 1.
Flying the Ki43 lately and all kills so far have been vs 1 or 2 great ride, lot of fun. I certainly can't be bothered trying to fight the hordes in it though. More fun off peak.
<S>...-Gixer
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If y'all flew only a Brewster or KI or Zeke for a whole month Id think your tunes would change, You have the advantage on your first move into that fight, after that youre in it till your dead or they are. Your only advantage is the turn and the only thing keep you alive is how good your SA is and if your controls are just as good....that's it.
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I couldn't (i'm sure I'm not alone) hit a crap with this plane in MA. If I do it's akin to shooting pellets that dent instead of penetrating the target.
The above is the only (if not glaring...) downside. The rest of its attributes is close to being resembling a TIE fighter :t
ENY for Ki-43-II should be increased to let's say..... around 60.
Also, I'd like to see Ki-43-III in this game. It's the _definitive_ Hayabusa fighter that is 20 mph faster. With increased speed Ki-43-III's ENY is reduced to 40.
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You must be smooth.
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Also, I'd like to see Ki-43-III in this game. It's the _definitive_ Hayabusa fighter that is 20 mph faster. With increased speed Ki-43-III's ENY is reduced to 40.
I have nothing against you I'm just using your post as an example.
I don't understand why it always has to be faster better and more powerful....you have an airframe that fought through the war with good results, It doesn't burst into flame it can be maintained right at 50 mph true airspeed and has guns that can zap anything flying in this game. IF you'll take the time to quit your whining about how this plane is int fast enough the guns aren't big enough it cant do this or it cant do that. Lord have mercy guys.
I shot down two 111s and a 51 and had 50 mgs left when I landed I was the only a/c to attack them. Get out there and take the time to learn a plane that doesn't do the work for you that you cant just look at someone and they fall
apart, that you cant just run away from folks in...OR stay out of it and fly your 51s and 47s and 38s and complain when one finally, finally catches you down low and slow where they are and sends you to the tower in a sheet of
flames. I get so tired of hearing you guys whine about getting caught by planes like the Brew, now KI43 and other turners on the deck where I end up after EVERY SINGLE flight. Do you hear me gripe? not really because that's where I choose to fight. I have to dodge every late war fighter there is on the way to a fight, get shot at taking off get shot while heading to the fight and most of my fights end on the deck with 4-6 a/c after me I have ~3mins of fuel and no ammo. Fair? not really, so yes let me catch you on the deck where I fight at with little airspeed in your late war monsters of choice and Ill put every round of ammo into your planes and if that doesn't kill you which it'll have to be the luckiest of days for you I'll probably ram you because that's just how much I don't like being shot while I'm fighting several people at once. What goes around comes around guys and if you cant take it get out. We all choose our planes and you just happen to get caught with your pants down well guess what its just your turn gents. and that's it, this is my one and only rant as the guy flying the plane no one else likes. I love the 43, do I wish it could dive like a Brewster be armed with a pair of 20mms and have an engine fast enough for me to catch 51 when they run? Sure am I going to get that? No. So Ill putter a round and wait for one of you goons to think you have the skill to turn with my 43 then Your going to head back to the tower under your own power or I'm going to send you there just a tad faster.- Vudu15
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I have nothing against you I'm just using your post as an example.
I don't understand why it always has to be faster better and more powerful....you have an airframe that fought through the war with good results, It doesn't burst into flame it can be maintained right at 50 mph true airspeed and has guns that can zap anything flying in this game. IF you'll take the time to quit your whining about how this plane is int fast enough the guns aren't big enough it cant do this or it cant do that. Lord have mercy guys.
I shot down two 111s and a 51 and had 50 mgs left when I landed I was the only a/c to attack them. Get out there and take the time to learn a plane that doesn't do the work for you that you cant just look at someone and they fall
apart, that you cant just run away from folks in...OR stay out of it and fly your 51s and 47s and 38s and complain when one finally, finally catches you down low and slow where they are and sends you to the tower in a sheet of
flames. I get so tired of hearing you guys whine about getting caught by planes like the Brew, now KI43 and other turners on the deck where I end up after EVERY SINGLE flight. Do you hear me gripe? not really because that's where I choose to fight. I have to dodge every late war fighter there is on the way to a fight, get shot at taking off get shot while heading to the fight and most of my fights end on the deck with 4-6 a/c after me I have ~3mins of fuel and no ammo. Fair? not really, so yes let me catch you on the deck where I fight at with little airspeed in your late war monsters of choice and Ill put every round of ammo into your planes and if that doesn't kill you which it'll have to be the luckiest of days for you I'll probably ram you because that's just how much I don't like being shot while I'm fighting several people at once. What goes around comes around guys and if you cant take it get out. We all choose our planes and you just happen to get caught with your pants down well guess what its just your turn gents. and that's it, this is my one and only rant as the guy flying the plane no one else likes. I love the 43, do I wish it could dive like a Brewster be armed with a pair of 20mms and have an engine fast enough for me to catch 51 when they run? Sure am I going to get that? No. So Ill putter a round and wait for one of you goons to think you have the skill to turn with my 43 then Your going to head back to the tower under your own power or I'm going to send you there just a tad faster.- Vudu15
Just about my thoughts as well.
:salute Vudu15
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The Ki-43's ability to out turn anything else in the game gives it a niche role that should prevent it being a hangar queen. It will be a real annoyance to anyone who flies a Brewster, Hurricane or A6M.
I'm not sure. all you need to be in the turniest plane in the fight. The Ki-43 is only needed against a Brewster or Zeke. If you are fighting Spits, Ponies, lalas, and 109s, then a brewster or Zeke already out turns everything by mile. being turnier then those planes provides deminishing returns in the Their extra firepower makes them better choices. I think People will only up Ki-43 to go Brewster hunting. We''l see.
The 410 can't deal with fighters very well, no where as good as the 110 can, so peole will not often choose it for low level ground attack. But the 410 has a very specialized roll as a buff killer. So I think it will mantain it's useage because it excels at a roll most planes are very poor at.
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Ditto Vudu15 comments.
The Ki-43, like any plane, is very capable if flown within its favorable envelope. I have shot down everything from bombers to Spit16s in it at this point. It does have the side effect of making you better at shooting I noticed. :O
Maybe whining about a well modeled plane is like broadcasting exactly where you need to work on your ACM.
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But the 410 has a very specialized roll as a buff killer. So I think it will mantain it's useage because it excels at a roll most planes are very poor at.
Buff Killer? Problem is it climbs like a buff and is almost as slow as a buff, not much of a buff killer. Any fighter comes along and the 410 is quickly disposed of. There are far better and more survivable buff killers.
The only role, if one at all. Is to be part of a horde taking down a field where there is little or no opposition and plenty of friendlies to cover it.
<S>...-Gixer
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Buff Killer? Problem is it climbs like a buff and is almost as slow as a buff, not much of a buff killer. Any fighter comes along and the 410 is quickly disposed of. There are far better and more survivable buff killers.
Of course there are 'better' buff killers - for almost any role you will find a 'better' plane until you are left with only 5-6 different types. But still we see more planes beign used than that.
And the 410 is still a great buff hunter low to med/high altitudes. It's just a horrible "interceptor", but if you are on defensive patrols it can quickly dispatch any buffs being encountered. The MK 103 and BK 5 cannons are unrivaled in this is game for standoff buff killing. And it still sees quite an amount of usage in that role, much more than in "horde taking of fields". This is indeed the single mission type where you will mostly "the best" the arena has to offer, i.e. Lancs, N1ks, 110s.
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Also, I'd like to see Ki-43-III in this game. It's the _definitive_ Hayabusa fighter that is 20 mph faster. With increased speed Ki-43-III's ENY is reduced to 40.
I have nothing against you I'm just using your post as an example.
I don't understand why it always has to be faster better and more powerful....you have an airframe that fought through the war with good results
The Japanese (army) air force had the Navy A6M zero eqivalent..... that would be the _Ki-43_.
Just like the Navy A6M major variants that spans entire war period:
A6M2 (early war)
A6M3 (mid war)
A6M5 (late war)
... the Ki-43 should be just as covered accordingly:
Ki-43-I (early war)
- I think this variant is needed in _AvA_ scenarios because I think the mid war Mk II that will have right now will be too much against early war historical opponents (early P-39, early P-40, Hurricane, Chinese I-16's)
Ki-43-II (mid war)
- Main opponents: mid war P-40, P-38G, spitfire V
Ki-43-III (late war)
- Main opponents: late war P-38, Spitfire VIII
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As long as there are buffs flying below 30k, the 410 will have a role.
There is nothing comparable in the game to being untouchable to a buff formation, not even the jet/rocket fighters can provide that.
<3 Ki-43
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Buff Killer? Problem is it climbs like a buff and is almost as slow as a buff, not much of a buff killer. Any fighter comes along and the 410 is quickly disposed of. There are far better and more survivable buff killers.
The only role, if one at all. Is to be part of a horde taking down a field where there is little or no opposition and plenty of friendlies to cover it.
<S>...-Gixer
Lusche is correct. It's lowsy interseptor because it climbs slowly but at altidue it's ~60mph faster than B-17, Lancs, and B-24s. The best technique is to climb to altitude and then go trolling. It hold a ton of gas and can loiter at 20k for over well an hour at military power. Killed 6 buffs last night on one ammo load on first sortie. First three lanc I killed from 1500 yrds firing 10 rounds. Landed all of 'em.
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In regards to the hitting power of the Ho-103 12.7mm machine cannon, I think HTC has done a great job with it. Poorer armor penetrating capabilities, with a pretty good result on wings and fuselage.
“This combat tends to confirm intelligence reports that state that the Hayabusa's machine cannon, though having poor penetrative powers, had significant explosive effect. A Type 1 fighter that he identified as a ZEKE hit 1 st Lt. Roy Klanrud a P-40 pilot of the 35 th FS. According to Klanrud: “I knew I was badly shot up…I expected another attack which would have been fatal because my elevator and coolant was shot up by a 20mm cannon. Three bullets hit my armor plate and glanced off, clearing out the glass of the canopy on the left side.” More than one American fighter pilot hit by 12.7mm explosive rounds thought he had been hit by the larger 20mm round fired by the Japanese Navy's Zero fighter. A partial explanation for this phenomenon is suggested by findings of Britain's Ordnance Board that tested Japanese army 12.7mm ammunition. A 1944 report said: “The fuse of the H.E./I. [high explosive/incendiary] shell is probably too sensitive for optimum performance.” In tests in India the same type ammunition failed to ignite fuel in a partially filled petrol tin, it was thought because “the blast effect was such that any possibility of petrol or petrol vapour being set on fire was nullified because of this.” Another report concluded the super-sensitive fuse was likely to explode against an aircraft's wing or fuselage skin before penetrating to a fuel tank. Japanese armor piercing ammunition was found to be effective against certain types of Allied armor at least at close ranges on the order of 100 yards.”
http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/rdunn/248th/248th-2.htm
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You all Ki-43 drivers are really impotence against AKAK's P-38!
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I love to see these endless threads when new planes are introduced....reminds me of a quote from Macbeth:
"Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
:lol
I'll add yet another 'idiot's tale' to the debate: It's a fun cartoon plane to fly....but I agree it's a minor threat as long as you don't try to turn with it and keep your speed up (just like the brewster and zeke). It's rare brewsters or zekes get me except when I'm deep in a dogfight and they pull up on my six while I'm engaged with someone else...I expect the oscar will be pretty much the same.
Not a complaint, BTW....tis' the way of things in this game. I have no one to blame but myself when it happens. :joystick: :aok
Ful
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"Just don't turn with it"...
That's all well and good until you're in a furball... that's when they are dangerous.
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"Just don't turn with it"...
That's all well and good until you're in a furball... that's when they are dangerous.
Oh I agree completely....thus my comments concerning the brewster and zeke being similar from a threat vector perspective.
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Wasn't there a Ki-43-IIIb variant with 20mm's?
*edit* n/m, according to one source just 2 prototypes built @ Tachikawa in 1945 :( Of course, that source also says that the -III was just a prototype as well (10 units). Hmmm, I don't know if that is quite true.
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I've had so much fun with the Ki-43!
Thank you HTC! :)
It's why IJAAF ace pilot loved -III. ;) "I never lose in it", it's true. :salute
So far, I have to agree with him. ;)
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I've had so much fun with the Ki-43!
Thank you HTC! :)
So far, I have to agree with him. ;)
Me too...Thank you very much. ;)
I only fly Ki-43 in this tour (I flew in A6M from CV few times).
There are a lot of fun! :aok
The Ki-43-III is really welcome in next patch. :D