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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Reaper90 on February 10, 2013, 07:47:53 PM
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You know we need them....
We have a huge hole in the VVS planes, we go from I-16 all the way to La-5FN and Yak 9, and skip 2.5 years of Soviet fighters.
Yes, The LaGG-3 was a dog, but some of us like a challenge. However, it helped form the backbone of the VVS early in the war, and some Russian pilots did become aces in the LaGG.
And it sure looks sexy, it's always good to look good when you're being towered mercilessly!
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/377/pics/1_15.jpg)
(http://www.acesofww2.com/soviet/LaGG02_dont_leach.jpg)
The Mig is needed..... how can we not have it?
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/mig3/fotobiancr.jpg)
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/457/pics/1_33.jpg)
If course the Yak has been asked for plenty.....
(http://www.redstarrc.com/Pictures/Yak-3/Yak-3_1.jpg)
And lastly, the La-5, before the La-5F or the La-5FN..... just because I NEED THIS SKIN!!!
(http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acimages/la5_nesvetaev.jpg)
:cheers:
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More Russian aircraft would certainly be a good thing for the game. :aok
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You left out the Yak-1 and Yak-7. The Yak-3 is really a 1944 fighter despite its seemingly low number. I don't think the MiG-3 is significant enough to be needed, though it would be nice to have. LaGG-3 and La-5 I completely agree with you on.
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No need for Yak-3. Doesnt help out a whole lot. LaGG-3 would suffice for filling the hole.
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yes ,yes and yes. mig-3 best looking ww2
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Add em all +100
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No need for Yak-3. Doesnt help out a whole lot. LaGG-3 would suffice for filling the hole.
That is like saying we don't need any American fighters from before 1944 other than the P-40E and F4F-4. Remove the F4U-1, F4U-1A, F6F-5, FM2, P-38G, P-38J, P-39D, P-39Q, P-40C, P-40F, P-40N, P-47D-11 and P-51B from the current planeset for the American equivalent of just using the LaGG-3 to cover that entire period of Soviet fighters.
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We need Mig3, yak1 and yak7b before considering the yak3.
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No need for Yak-3. Doesnt help out a whole lot. LaGG-3 would suffice for filling the hole.
I'm starting to believe that especially amongst the luft types that there is a genuine fear of this plane and its capabilities ...... I suppose this is a legitimate fear because there is a historical precedent set by this plane.
I know of no other plane that Luftwaffe pilots were ordered to avoid combat with other than the Yak 3, yet we have virtually every other plane that was ordered to avoid combat with it??? Arguably the best fighter of World War 2 absent from a world war 2 flight sim???
:salute Nishizwa
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No need for Yak-3. Doesnt help out a whole lot. LaGG-3 would suffice for filling the hole.
I'm starting to believe that especially amongst the luft types that there is a genuine fear of this plane and its capabilities ...... I suppose this is a legitimate fear because there is a historical precedent set by this plane.
I know of no other plane that Luftwaffe pilots were ordered to avoid combat with other than the Yak 3, yet we have virtually every other plane that was ordered to avoid combat with it??? Arguably the best fighter of World War 2 absent from a world war 2 flight sim???
:salute Nishizwa
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No need for Yak-3. Doesnt help out a whole lot. LaGG-3 would suffice for filling the hole.
I'm starting to believe that especially amongst the luft types that there is a genuine fear of this plane and its capabilities ...... I suppose this is a legitimate fear because there is a historical precedent set by this plane.
I know of no other plane that Luftwaffe pilots were ordered to avoid combat with other than the Yak 3, yet we have virtually every other plane that was ordered to avoid combat with it??? Arguably the best fighter of World War 2 absent from a world war 2 flight sim???
:salute Nishizwa
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No need for Yak-3. Doesnt help out a whole lot. LaGG-3 would suffice for filling the hole.
I'm starting to believe that especially amongst the luft types that there is a genuine fear of this plane and its capabilities ...... I suppose this is a legitimate fear because there is a historical precedent set by this plane.
I know of no other plane that Luftwaffe pilots were ordered to avoid combat with other than the Yak 3, yet we have virtually every other plane that was ordered to avoid combat with it??? Arguably the best fighter of World War 2 absent from a world war 2 flight sim???
:salute Nishizwa
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No need for Yak-3. Doesnt help out a whole lot. LaGG-3 would suffice for filling the hole.
I'm starting to believe that especially amongst the luft types that there is a genuine fear of this plane and its capabilities ...... I suppose this is a legitimate fear because there is a historical precedent set by this plane.
I know of no other plane that Luftwaffe pilots were ordered to avoid combat with other than the Yak 3, yet we have virtually every other plane that was ordered to avoid combat with it??? Arguably the best fighter of World War 2 absent from a world war 2 flight sim???
:salute Nishizwa
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No need for Yak-3. Doesnt help out a whole lot. LaGG-3 would suffice for filling the hole.
I'm starting to believe that especially amongst the luft types that there is a genuine fear of this plane and its capabilities ...... I suppose this is a legitimate fear because there is a historical precedent set by this plane.
I know of no other plane that Luftwaffe pilots were ordered to avoid combat with other than the Yak 3, yet we have virtually every other plane that was ordered to avoid combat with it??? Arguably the best fighter of World War 2 absent from a world war 2 flight sim???
:salute Nishizwa
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No need for Yak-3. Doesnt help out a whole lot. LaGG-3 would suffice for filling the hole.
I'm starting to believe that especially amongst the luft types that there is a genuine fear of this plane and its capabilities ...... I suppose this is a legitimate fear because there is a historical precedent set by this plane.
I know of no other plane that Luftwaffe pilots were ordered to avoid combat with other than the Yak 3, yet we have virtually every other plane that was ordered to avoid combat with it??? Arguably the best fighter of World War 2 absent from a world war 2 flight sim???
:salute Nishizwa
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I'm starting to believe that especially amongst the luft types that there is a genuine fear of this plane and its capabilities ...... I suppose this is a legitimate fear because there is a historical precedent set by this plane.
1 more time plz :rofl
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That is like saying we don't need any American fighters from before 1944 other than the P-40E and F4F-4. Remove the F4U-1, F4U-1A, F6F-5, FM2, P-38G, P-38J, P-39D, P-39Q, P-40C, P-40F, P-40N, P-47D-11 and P-51B from the current planeset for the American equivalent of just using the LaGG-3 to cover that entire period of Soviet fighters.
No. It's like saying we don't need the F4U-4. The Yak-3 is the pinnacle of the Yak line. It fills no hole, it is the top dog.
To the OP, +1 to them all plus the Yak-1
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/349/pics/1_21.jpg)
and Yak-7
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/267/pics/1_3_b2.jpg)
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Much as I hate the ammo count on russian planes, and most are complete garbage (LaGG will not win a fight against a 109 on any grounds) its still was in combat and served its duty.
I would absolutely love to see some russian birds, especially since we are missing so many.
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No. It's like saying we don't need the F4U-4. The Yak-3 is the pinnacle of the Yak line. It fills no hole, it is the top dog.
To the OP, +1 to them all plus the Yak-1
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/349/pics/1_21.jpg)
and Yak-7
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/267/pics/1_3_b2.jpg)
The comment was "LaGG-3 would suffice for filling the hole.", which eliminates not only the Yak-3 from the OP, but also the La-5 and MiG-3 from the OP as well as the Yak-1 and Yak-7 I suggested. The Yak-3 was not the focus.
I agree the Yak-3 is a lower priority, but comparing it to the F4U-4 is disingenuous as the F4U-4 came much later. The Yak-3 preceded the Yak-9U we have, as I recall. Mind you, the WWII Yak-3 was powered by the less powerful VK-105 engine as in the Yak-9T, not the better VK-107 as in the Yak-9U and post war Yak-3s.
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I'm starting to believe that especially amongst the luft types that there is a genuine fear of this plane and its capabilities ...... I suppose this is a legitimate fear because there is a historical precedent set by this plane.
I don't fear the Yak3. Bring it on :D
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The comment was "LaGG-3 would suffice for filling the hole.", which eliminates not only the Yak-3 from the OP, but also the La-5 and MiG-3 from the OP as well as the Yak-1 and Yak-7 I suggested. The Yak-3 was not the focus.
I agree the Yak-3 is a lower priority, but comparing it to the F4U-4 is disingenuous as the F4U-4 came much later. The Yak-3 preceded the Yak-9U we have, as I recall. Mind you, the WWII Yak-3 was powered by the less powerful VK-105 engine as in the Yak-9T, not the better VK-107 as in the Yak-9U and post war Yak-3s.
My mistake, I read your post wrong.
The 9U preceded the Yak-3. The VK-107 was not used in production Yak-3's because of overheating issues during trials. The existing Yak-9U was better equiped to handle the larger engine. That said, the Yak-3 is superior to the Yak-9U in all aspects except top speed (407 vs. 417 respectivly).
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I'm starting to believe that especially amongst the luft types that there is a genuine fear of this plane and its capabilities ...... I suppose this is a legitimate fear because there is a historical precedent set by this plane.
According to Marcel Albert, the top scoring French ace, he considered the Yak-3 to be far superior fighter than the Mustang and Spitfire and easily more than a match for any German fighter.
ack-ack
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I agree we need more Russian planes in the set. The Yak-3 sounds like fun.
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I would love a full set of VVS ac................. but sticking the realism hat on and thinking of best return for investment I would go for a full compliment of Yaks (even tho my historical bent is toward Lavochkin)
The Yak is yet to be updated so step one to widening the VVS GPW range would be to broaden the Yak range to equal that of the Spitfire/Bf109/ P40/P38/FW190 et al...........
Looking at the Yak we see this
Yak1 Mid 41 to Mid 43 (razor back unboosted M105)
Yak1b Late 42 to Early 44 (bubble canopy partially boosted M105)
Yak7 Late 41 to Late 42 (razor back converted Yak 1 trainer, unboosted M105)
Yak7b Mid 42 to Mid 43 (razor back, lightened Yak7 partially boosted M105)
Yak9 Early 43 to Mid/Late 44 (bubble canopy version from the Yak7D, partially boosted M105,later versions permanently boosted VK105PF) (D,DD, B variants in the same fuselage)
Yak9T Early 43 to Late 44 (bubble canopy long nosed Yak9 early versions partially boosted M105, later versions permanently boosted VK105PF, 37mm cannon)
Yak9M Early 44 to Late 44 ( 20mm cannon version of the Yak9T permanently boosted VK105PF))
Yak3 Mid 44 to Late 45 (Tsagi development of the Yak 1M {b variant} lightened with slightly shorter wings clear bubble canopy permanently boosted VK105PF)
Yak9U Late 44 to Late 45 (Alloy sheathed Yak9T with troublesome permanently boosted VK107)
Well we are not going to get them all! So which to prioritise!
Looking at the major battles of the GPW, Barbarossa, Moscow, Stalingrad, Kursk, Bagration and (I suppose) Berlin and Manchuria.
We see
Barbarossa Yak1
Moscow Yak1, Yak7
Stalingrad Yak1, Yak7b, Yak1b.
Kursk, Yak1, Yak7b, Yak1b, Yak9, Yak9T
Bagration, Yak9,Yak9T(PF), Yak9M, Yak3
Berlin Yak3, Yak9U
Manchuria Yak3, Yak9U
The Yak1, Yak1b, Yak9T, Yak9M, Yak3, Yak9U Give us a very good spread across the GPW.
The Yak9T, Yak9M, Yak9U all use an extremely similar fuselage. Indeed the Yak9T and Yak9M could be considered the same ac with differing cannon packages.Yak9T/M
The Yak1b & Yak3 use a very similar fuselage albeit the Yak3 has slightly shorter wings and a clear front canopy.
IMO if we could only have 3 Yaks it would be the Yak1b, Yak9T/M, Yak3. If we were granted a 4th the Yak9U comes cheap (we already have the flight model). If we were granted a 5th then the Yak1 would be the start of war hanger queen beside the Hurri IIa and the C202.
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I'm starting to believe that especially amongst the luft types that there is a genuine fear of this plane and its capabilities ...... I suppose this is a legitimate fear because there is a historical precedent set by this plane.
7 posts in a row. Yikes.
+1 to the wish.
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btw if we add our current ac set to my favoured 5 we see the following
Barbarossa Yak1 I16
Moscow Yak1, I16,
Stalingrad Yak1, Yak1b I16, (P39D)
Kursk, Yak1, Yak1b, Yak9T, La5FN (just a few) IL2M3(P39D)
Bagration, Yak9T/M(PF), Yak3 ,La5FN, La7(2 cannon)IL2M3 (P39Q)
Berlin Yak3, Yak9U,La5FN, La7 (2 & 3 cannon),IL2M3, (P39Q)
Manchuria Yak3, Yak9U,IL2M3
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I don't fear the Yak3. Bring it on :D
you will, it is like a Spit 9 except faster.
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7 posts in a row. Yikes.
+1 to the wish.
Apologies gents, though I am passionate about seeing the Yak 3 added to the game, that was by no means intentional. The hazards of posting by mobile phone.
:salute Nishizwa
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Apologies gents, though I am passionate about seeing the Yak 3 added to the game, that was by no means intentional. The hazards of posting by mobile phone.
:salute Nishizwa
I figured you were doing one of these three things.
1: Having a seizure.
2: Posting from your phone.
3: Clicking in a furious rage because the internet is lagging and you felt that 50 million extra clicks would work.
:lol
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They made over 3000 mig3 and it offers a very different type of experience than the others discussed.
It's also a 400mph plane in early 1941.
From mig 3 wiki............
Even with the MiG-3's limitations, Aleksandr Pokryshkin, the third-leading Soviet, and Allied, ace of the war, with 53 official air victories (plus six shared), recorded a number of those victories while flying a MiG-3 at the beginning of the war.[24] He later recalled:
“Its designers rarely succeeded in matching both the fighter's flight characteristics with its firepower… the operational advantage of the MiG-3 seemed to be obscured by its certain defects. However, these advantages could undoubtedly be exploited by a pilot able to discover them”.
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“Its designers rarely succeeded in matching both the fighter's flight characteristics with its firepower… the operational advantage of the MiG-3 seemed to be obscured by its certain defects. However, these advantages could undoubtedly be exploited by a pilot able to discover them”.
This quote from Aleksandr Pokryshkin is important concerning this plane because it was superior in some ways and woefully inadequate in others.
With experience and familiarity, this plane can be made to be deadly in the arenas and it's far more rewarding having success with such a plane as opposed to LA7, Spit 16 which simply do what you ask.
I like the challenge of planes like this and it's probably the reason I rarely fly the known uber training wheel planes.
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+1
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That is like saying we don't need any American fighters from before 1944 other than the P-40E and F4F-4. Remove the F4U-1, F4U-1A, F6F-5, FM2, P-38G, P-38J, P-39D, P-39Q, P-40C, P-40F, P-40N, P-47D-11 and P-51B from the current planeset for the American equivalent of just using the LaGG-3 to cover that entire period of Soviet fighters.
No, its like saying we don't need a 109G-10, because we have the 109K-4. One is faster on the level, the other is a bit more maneuverable.
Or we don't need the F4F-3 because we have the -4.
Performance curves for both comparisons were similar, one just traded a bit of speed for some maneuverability or climb rate.
From what I've read, the Yak-3 had a bit better handling, was slightly more maneuverable, but slower.
We could use an early Yak-9 more than the -3.
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Any Japanese, Russian or Italian plane is a vote I would get behind :cheers:
+1
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No, its like saying we don't need a 109G-10, because we have the 109K-4. One is faster on the level, the other is a bit more maneuverable.
Or we don't need the F4F-3 because we have the -4.
Performance curves for both comparisons were similar, one just traded a bit of speed for some maneuverability or climb rate.
From what I've read, the Yak-3 had a bit better handling, was slightly more maneuverable, but slower.
We could use an early Yak-9 more than the -3.
None of that has anything to do with what I said. As I have ready pointed out I was addressing the claim that all we need to fill the 1941 to 1943 gap in Soviet fighters was the LaGG-3. Hence my reference to earlier American fighters. To adequately cover the earlier VVS fighters I would like to see the I-153, LaGG-3, La-5, MiG-3, Yak-1 and Yak-7.
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Agreed, Karnak. To make the US planeset look like the current VVS one in AH, we'd need to have the Curtiss P-36 Hawk, and then no other US planes intil the late P-47's and the Mustang. Just skip everything from 1940-41 all the way to 1944.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/La5web.jpg)
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/336/pics/1_26_b1.jpg)
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/336/pics/1_62.jpg)
(http://www.mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/la5/andrew58/Picture%20001.jpg)
(http://internetmodeler.com/2006/november/aviation/vector_la5_01.jpg)
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(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/377/pics/1_15_b1.jpg)
(http://wallpaper.goodfon.com/image/240023-1920x1080.jpg)
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(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4578/lagg3rw3.jpg)
mmmmm looks like an AH scenario.....
of course, we'll need the Curtiss..... we have the B-239......
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http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lagg3/cockpits/cockpitlagg3.html (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lagg3/cockpits/cockpitlagg3.html) Lots of LaGG-3 instrument panel info
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lagg3/lagg3.html (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lagg3/lagg3.html) LaGG-3 info, structural drawings, unit info, etc
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I always had a soft heart for the LaGG-3 and D.520, for being the absolute underdogs in any given scenario - one thing about the laGG it simply is outclassed by 109s and 190s, which makes it more of a challenge to fly.
Its not fast, doesn't turn well, doesn't climb that well - but its a Russian bird, something we dont have.
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(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4578/lagg3rw3.jpg)
mmmmm looks like an AH scenario.....
of course, we'll need the Curtiss..... we have the B-239......
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lagg3/57/white57.html (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lagg3/57/white57.html)
Here's how that particular LaGG looked a bit later...
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lagg3/lg3/lg3f7.jpg)
:D
Any earlier Soviet fighters would be very welcome!
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http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lagg3/57/white57.html (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lagg3/57/white57.html)
Here's how that particular LaGG looked a bit later...
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lagg3/lg3/lg3f7.jpg)
:D
Any earlier Soviet fighters would be very welcome!
The VVS called that their "No really, we're one of you guys, please don't shoot us down again!" camo scheme!! :x
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http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lagg3/57/white57.html (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lagg3/57/white57.html)
Here's how that particular LaGG looked a bit later...
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lagg3/lg3/lg3f7.jpg)
:D
Any earlier Soviet fighters would be very welcome!
I wonder if they gave it back when they capitulated?
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I wonder if they gave it back when they capitulated?
Just to clarify, Finland signed an armistice with SU. Finland didn't unconditionally surrender. LaGGs weren't given back, they were scrapped.
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lagg3/lg3/lg-demolition.jpg)
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lagg3/lg3/lg3.html (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lagg3/lg3/lg3.html)
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I'm not sure Russia would have cared if they got them back by the time Finland signed the armistice. It was what, late 1944?