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Title: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Blinky on September 16, 2020, 10:28:36 AM
I've been actively watching the DA and TA in hopes of finding some help, really just looking for a constant duel buddy to help me work on some things and possibly wing up in game. I'm a 109 pilot, and not the greatest but I get lucky a lot.
Comms would be cool but not required, I am in CST and usually on from 5pm - 1am or so daily.
Im 23 years old.

I've met many awesome pilots and could still name a few 109 pilots.

If you love 109's as much as me, let me know! I would LOVE to see some different techniques and tricks.

Current in-game name is "Fog"
If you see me on hit me up, or message me here!

 :salute

109G-14   :devil
109K-4  :evil:
109F-4  :rock
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: SIK1 on September 16, 2020, 11:08:55 AM
Blinky, I would be glad to work with you.
We could meet up in the TA today at 6pm your time. If that works for you let me know, if not we can work something else out.

 :salute
Sik
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: LCADolby on September 16, 2020, 11:15:49 AM
Hey look at that, a 109 guy  :aok
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Blinky on September 16, 2020, 11:36:56 AM
Blinky, I would be glad to work with you.
We could meet up in the TA today at 6pm your time. If that works for you let me know, if not we can work something else out.

 :salute
Sik

That would be great!
Would it be possible to take it to the DA?
All my years but its still hard for me to focus and learn unless im dying. And losing the advantage in a merge is something im working on, much easier from DA

(or if there are similar options in TA)

Thanks!
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Blinky on September 16, 2020, 11:37:50 AM
Hey look at that, a 109 guy  :aok

Since the beginning!  :old:
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: SIK1 on September 16, 2020, 01:07:26 PM
Let's start off in the TA then we can move it to the DA if needed.

 :salute
Sik
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Blinky on September 16, 2020, 01:23:24 PM
10-4!

See you then.
 :salute
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 17, 2020, 09:38:16 AM
I can only play weekends, but if I see you on, i'll go to the DA with you for some duels and 109 techniques.
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: atlau on September 17, 2020, 10:25:38 AM
Not a 109 expert. But been flying the k4 recently and more that willing to fly in the da if youd like.
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: fuzeman on September 17, 2020, 12:00:19 PM
Last weekends KOTH had 3 Bf 109 rounds, F-4, G-14 and G-2. Even if not flying a 109 it's a great event for getting your improving your SA and dog-fighting skills.
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Lazerr on September 17, 2020, 03:02:59 PM
If ya see me on Ill do a few with ya, i had fun the last time.  Im no 109 expert but i like flying them.  If i say no, its due to time co straints, via my 6 month old.
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Blinky on September 17, 2020, 03:06:34 PM
Last weekends KOTH had 3 Bf 109 rounds, F-4, G-14 and G-2. Even if not flying a 109 it's a great event for getting your improving your SA and dog-fighting skills.

Sucks I had to miss it! When is the next one?
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Blinky on September 17, 2020, 03:07:13 PM
I can only play weekends, but if I see you on, i'll go to the DA with you for some duels and 109 techniques.

I'll be looking for ya for sure on the weekends!  :cheers:
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Blinky on September 17, 2020, 03:08:39 PM
Not a 109 expert. But been flying the k4 recently and more that willing to fly in the da if youd like.

10-4 I like the K4. I'm not the best with it but she's fun! I'll look for ya!  :rock
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: fuzeman on September 17, 2020, 03:59:23 PM
Sucks I had to miss it! When is the next one?

Generally speaking they are the second Saturday of the month in SEA II.
September had 3 109 rounds, August and July had 1, June, May, April and March had 2 each, so they are chosen fairly regularly.
Winner gets to pick the plane for next round so if you do persevere and win you can pick it every round.
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 17, 2020, 04:04:50 PM
10-4 I like the K4. I'm not the best with it but she's fun! I'll look for ya!  :rock

I might add that you will have much better luck in the MA flying the G2 with goodies than the 109F. The gondies make a world of difference in taking down planes faster which avoids you getting picked easier. The G2 still turns about as well or better than a spit 8 and is faster than a 109f.

If you are having trouble aiming the K4, do your best to learn how to set up crossing or snap shots. Thats the best way to aim the K4. Dead 6 shooting is the most toughest way to hit a plane. Also, pull the trigger a split second earlier than you normally do when you calculate the shot. I have my 30mm at 400-500 convergence to avoid a sharp drop off when using a lead shot.
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Shuffler on September 17, 2020, 04:27:03 PM
Come shoot me down. I hardly fly these days but I enjoy a good fight. I'm an easy kill too. It'll make you feel like you have mastered your plane when you shoot down my big ol' 38.     :D

If you are free on Monday evenings...... watch for MNM (Monday Night Madness) We fly in the AVA and it is all fighting between two bases. Low fighting with a little fog and tall buildings. Take off and fight right away. It is a blast and will hone your skills.
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Blinky on September 17, 2020, 05:41:22 PM
I look forward to the next one! I remember coming 2nd one time to the P-51D. Fun times!  :cheers:
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Oldman731 on September 17, 2020, 06:21:21 PM
I'm an easy kill too.


You know, there are a variety of penalties for fraud.  You should be more careful.

- oldman
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: haggerty on September 17, 2020, 06:37:49 PM
The G2 still turns about as well or better than a spit 8 and is faster than a 109f.

I don't doubt your knowledge, but im just wondering what trickery you have to do to manage outturning a spit?  Im always forced to outscissor them, and dont even bother trying to turn with gondies.
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 17, 2020, 09:10:40 PM
I don't doubt your knowledge, but im just wondering what trickery you have to do to manage outturning a spit?  Im always forced to outscissor them, and dont even bother trying to turn with gondies.

I guess I used the word "turn" in too broad of a sense. A seafire, spit5 and 16, maybe even an 8, can generally turn in a circle better than a 109g2, atleast im pretty sure. I never like to circle turn with a Spit. However, the G2 is better in the vert and getting angles using flaps and rolls and rudder. The G2 also gets flaps out more quickly than a spit which can lead to faster rolls early on as you burn E to get inside the spit. The G2 has much better stability with rolls and has a nasty right snap roll using vert. It is a more difficult plane than the spit however because of views and vertical ACM is something that is learned. Many players in the MA dont know vertical ACM, so learning it with a 109 will give you the advantage over most spits in the MA.

I always bring gondolas. All it takes is one pass to hurt them well. With 1 20mm you have more of a chance of not hurting the player enough in a quick pass. This means you can get picked easier chasing a plane and not putting enough bullets in them. It also means your opponent can take the advantage if you dont finish them off fast enough.  The only time you should not bring gondies is in a 1v1 dueling fight. You are so much better off in the MA killing them quickly with 450 cannons than you are with 165 20mm trying to pin point all of your bullets to make them count. Not shooting down a plane fast enough means you have to burn more E to shoot them down which puts you in a weak disadvantage to other enemies in the MA. Learn to turn well with them. Use your flaps and throttle quickly, and set up your shots for crossing shots using angles in the vert. Once you get this down, then you can use the 30mm better and have better aim with a single cannon. Using gondies helps you shoot planes from the dead 6 easier which is helpful for players who don't have good aim.

The 109 is a very good defensive plane that counter punches better than almost any plane. Learn defense maneuvers and shoot them with the crossing shot. You will get a lot of kills this way.
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: 800nate800 on September 17, 2020, 09:16:11 PM
well i flew with you all day and yesterday and we should wing up soon  :cheers:
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Blinky on September 18, 2020, 10:10:33 AM
I guess I used the word "turn" in too broad of a sense. A seafire, spit5 and 16, maybe even an 8, can generally turn in a circle better than a 109g2, atleast im pretty sure. I never like to circle turn with a Spit. However, the G2 is better in the vert and getting angles using flaps and rolls and rudder. The G2 also gets flaps out more quickly than a spit which can lead to faster rolls early on as you burn E to get inside the spit. The G2 has much better stability with rolls and has a nasty right snap roll using vert. It is a more difficult plane than the spit however because of views and vertical ACM is something that is learned. Many players in the MA dont know vertical ACM, so learning it with a 109 will give you the advantage over most spits in the MA.

I always bring gondolas. All it takes is one pass to hurt them well. With 1 20mm you have more of a chance of not hurting the player enough in a quick pass. This means you can get picked easier chasing a plane and not putting enough bullets in them. It also means your opponent can take the advantage if you dont finish them off fast enough.  The only time you should not bring gondies is in a 1v1 dueling fight. You are so much better off in the MA killing them quickly with 450 cannons than you are with 165 20mm trying to pin point all of your bullets to make them count. Not shooting down a plane fast enough means you have to burn more E to shoot them down which puts you in a weak disadvantage to other enemies in the MA. Learn to turn well with them. Use your flaps and throttle quickly, and set up your shots for crossing shots using angles in the vert. Once you get this down, then you can use the 30mm better and have better aim with a single cannon. Using gondies helps you shoot planes from the dead 6 easier which is helpful for players who don't have good aim.

The 109 is a very good defensive plane that counter punches better than almost any plane. Learn defense maneuvers and shoot them with the crossing shot. You will get a lot of kills this way.

Violator you've been one to always voice helpful info on posts like these. I go back and reference lot's you've linked to me and shown. Yet I don't think I've had the chance to fly with you, minus a few mess arounds back in the day when you hung out with Top Gun, The Damned, and 242nd Sloppy Terminators .I was just starting out then. Just Wendesday after a session with Sik1 I realized there was a basic fundamental I had been missing called "Lift Vector" LOL apparently it's a key fundamental as I picked it up pretty quick and it instantly changed my playability. Feel like a new pilot. I knew you mentioned weekends so I'll deff be looking out for you this weekend. I am a little curious about "vertical acms" and if that's something I already know and don't know I know. I like to think 9/10 my fight is in the vert (109's) and I'm pretty familiar with hammerheads, stalls, fake stalls, the occasional tailslide, and even hitting that "E" button when rolling right. The problem i was having was getting sucked into a knife fight then getting bnz'd but with this new found "lift vector" That changed a lot for me LOL.

I seem to remember JOACH1M and Anarchy teaching me the most about vertical fighting, as I seem to remember him doing it very well but it was so long ago.
Fortunately I'm still young and rather new to flying (maybe having 2 years total flying time) I've been around for years but never was serious about flying till about 2018.

Where I'd like to be is not having to use so much energy in fights but still setup good snapshots. I hate to speak of the devil around here but Skyyr was the best at this it seemed, as far as loading a roll and getting 2-3 kills out of the setup. I know you're very good at it too but I flew with him a lot more.
It'd be nice knowing exactly when I'm about to be able to setup a shot and not have to burn stupid amounts of E to get flaps out and get picked. *cough* 30mms. 

In short thanks for always voicing out and helping with tips / articles. I still reference a lot you've taught me, it's very helpful to have helpful people around. And to all who have shown me / flown with me. Thanks!  :cheers:
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Blinky on September 18, 2020, 10:11:50 AM
well i flew with you all day and yesterday and we should wing up soon  :cheers:

Definitely was fun! I'm down anytime. But I'm new to winging!
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Blinky on September 18, 2020, 10:12:39 AM
Come shoot me down. I hardly fly these days but I enjoy a good fight. I'm an easy kill too. It'll make you feel like you have mastered your plane when you shoot down my big ol' 38.     :D

If you are free on Monday evenings...... watch for MNM (Monday Night Madness) We fly in the AVA and it is all fighting between two bases. Low fighting with a little fog and tall buildings. Take off and fight right away. It is a blast and will hone your skills.

Never even heard of this, but it sounds fun as heck! I'll be looking for the next one!
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: LCADolby on September 18, 2020, 10:56:22 AM
Bravo330  :D
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Blinky on September 18, 2020, 11:22:44 AM
Bravo330  :D
Yessir thats me! Then it was Blinky due to warpyness
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Blinky on September 18, 2020, 11:36:05 AM
Bravo330  :D

Was it you that i always used to sortie with especially in high ponies with BeeLowK/ Skyyr?
Ive thought it was you this whole time but i coildve sworn last time i mentioned it you said no. Either Dolby or Dobby  :joystick:
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Shuffler on September 18, 2020, 12:13:24 PM

You know, there are a variety of penalties for fraud.  You should be more careful.

- oldman
Why I'd never......  :D
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Blinky on September 18, 2020, 12:31:41 PM
Why I'd never......  :D

P-38L is one of the few I fear in my playstyle... Hope to see ya around ;) Beautiful bird!
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Shuffler on September 18, 2020, 12:38:23 PM
P-38L is one of the few I fear in my playstyle... Hope to see ya around ;) Beautiful bird!

I fly the J. It is usually missing a few parts. As long as I can mix frozen margaritas in it, I keep flying.   :aok
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Blinky on September 18, 2020, 12:51:18 PM
I fly the J. It is usually missing a few parts. As long as I can mix frozen margaritas in it, I keep flying.   :aok

Understandable! I can't fit a blender in my 109.... but maybe a margarita! I like mine with extra Kraut
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: LCADolby on September 18, 2020, 12:54:11 PM
Was it you that i always used to sortie with especially in high ponies with BeeLowK/ Skyyr?
Ive thought it was you this whole time but i coildve sworn last time i mentioned it you said no. Either Dolby or Dobby  :joystick:

Nope, not with those two. I flew around with the TopGun guy for a while though.
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Bixby on September 18, 2020, 01:00:24 PM
Blink...going to DA now if you care to meet me there.
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Blinky on September 18, 2020, 01:18:55 PM
Blink...going to DA now if you care to meet me there.

Sadly I'm stuck at work till around 5pm CST
But I'll be looking!
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Blinky on September 18, 2020, 01:19:43 PM
Nope, not with those two. I flew around with the TopGun guy for a while though.

I know you from somwhere darnnit. Through someone!
It very well could've been "Dobbs" but I'll swear it was Dolby.
No matter, if you ever wanna wing or duel lemme know!
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Eagler on September 18, 2020, 01:23:03 PM
If the dar bar you are heading towards is larger than the green one, take a k4

If the red bar is smaller than the green one, take a f4 or g2 with gonds

Listen to Violator

<S>

Eagler
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Blinky on September 18, 2020, 01:34:12 PM
If the dar bar you are heading towards is larger than the green one, take a k4

If the red bar is smaller than the green one, take a f4 or g2 with gonds

Listen to Violator

<S>

Eagler

There's a 109 - er. I've seen a lot of you through the years, used to make a point to find you for some good 109 fights. Good to see you still around shooting me down all the time <S>
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 18, 2020, 02:16:38 PM
Violator you've been one to always voice helpful info on posts like these. I go back and reference lot's you've linked to me and shown. Yet I don't think I've had the chance to fly with you, minus a few mess arounds back in the day when you hung out with Top Gun, The Damned, and 242nd Sloppy Terminators .I was just starting out then. Just Wendesday after a session with Sik1 I realized there was a basic fundamental I had been missing called "Lift Vector" LOL apparently it's a key fundamental as I picked it up pretty quick and it instantly changed my playability. Feel like a new pilot. I knew you mentioned weekends so I'll deff be looking out for you this weekend. I am a little curious about "vertical acms" and if that's something I already know and don't know I know. I like to think 9/10 my fight is in the vert (109's) and I'm pretty familiar with hammerheads, stalls, fake stalls, the occasional tailslide, and even hitting that "E" button when rolling right. The problem i was having was getting sucked into a knife fight then getting bnz'd but with this new found "lift vector" That changed a lot for me LOL.

I seem to remember JOACH1M and Anarchy teaching me the most about vertical fighting, as I seem to remember him doing it very well but it was so long ago.
Fortunately I'm still young and rather new to flying (maybe having 2 years total flying time) I've been around for years but never was serious about flying till about 2018.

Where I'd like to be is not having to use so much energy in fights but still setup good snapshots. I hate to speak of the devil around here but Skyyr was the best at this it seemed, as far as loading a roll and getting 2-3 kills out of the setup. I know you're very good at it too but I flew with him a lot more.
It'd be nice knowing exactly when I'm about to be able to setup a shot and not have to burn stupid amounts of E to get flaps out and get picked. *cough* 30mms. 

In short thanks for always voicing out and helping with tips / articles. I still reference a lot you've taught me, it's very helpful to have helpful people around. And to all who have shown me / flown with me. Thanks!  :cheers:

Thanks Blinky! I am not too good at actual flight terminology. You will have to bear with me. The way I write about air combat is the way I perceive it when thinking about flying. I always like to share Aces High knowledge about planes to help players become better at the game so they can have more fun and learn how to fight better.

If you want to learn how to E fight better while also being in a plane that can generally maneuver well. Id definitely recommend the P38. Its great for E retention and learning how to be a better E fighter. It can also duel quite better than you might think against most planes. It cannot out maneuver a really good 109 stick, but they nearly almost manuever identically as good and have similar characteristics. The 109 has a slight advantage with equally skilled pilots in a 1v1. The p38 is great for learning E because it prevents you from making quick rolls and decisions that burn E quickly, where you'd do it in a 109. The P38 holds E much better than a 109 and if the p38 has alt on the 109, it's generally game over unless the 109 pilot is very skilled in defense. After flying a p38 for a month, your E skills will greatly improve, plus it will make you feel like you can maneuver much easier when you go back to the 109.

The only thing I'd recommend with a p38 is that you don't use it for base defense unless you come from a back base. Id generally get about 12-15K in the MA to be the most successful. 

Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Shuffler on September 18, 2020, 04:23:11 PM


The only thing I'd recommend with a p38 is that you don't use it for base defense unless you come from a back base. Id generally get about 12-15K in the MA to be the most successful.

Unless you have been flying them for awhile...............   :aok

If you can get off the ground, they work great for base defense. Folks see that big ol' 38 down there and think "Easy Target"..... then find themselves drinking coffee in the tower.
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Blinky on September 18, 2020, 05:39:33 PM
Thanks Blinky! I am not too good at actual flight terminology. You will have to bear with me. The way I write about air combat is the way I perceive it when thinking about flying. I always like to share Aces High knowledge about planes to help players become better at the game so they can have more fun and learn how to fight better.

If you want to learn how to E fight better while also being in a plane that can generally maneuver well. Id definitely recommend the P38. Its great for E retention and learning how to be a better E fighter. It can also duel quite better than you might think against most planes. It cannot out maneuver a really good 109 stick, but they nearly almost manuever identically as good and have similar characteristics. The 109 has a slight advantage with equally skilled pilots in a 1v1. The p38 is great for learning E because it prevents you from making quick rolls and decisions that burn E quickly, where you'd do it in a 109. The P38 holds E much better than a 109 and if the p38 has alt on the 109, it's generally game over unless the 109 pilot is very skilled in defense. After flying a p38 for a month, your E skills will greatly improve, plus it will make you feel like you can maneuver much easier when you go back to the 109.

The only thing I'd recommend with a p38 is that you don't use it for base defense unless you come from a back base. Id generally get about 12-15K in the MA to be the most successful.

Ok I will definitely try it! I never even thought about it like that, but I have come accross several great 38 sticks that could keep up with my 109 in turns and what not, but usually come out on top unless i mess up early and misjudge their e / climb which happens a lot lol.

Thanks!
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: atlau on September 18, 2020, 09:41:43 PM
One of the best parts of this game is learning the different strengths and weaknesses of the planes. When you fet comfortable with one of them, it's time to move on to another!
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Shuffler on September 19, 2020, 08:38:52 AM
One of the best parts of this game is learning the different strengths and weaknesses of the planes. When you fet comfortable with one of them, it's time to move on to another!

I have flow most of them some. The 38 is what I came here for and what I have always flown. I don't need a new plane every week.
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: fuzeman on September 19, 2020, 08:55:23 AM
One of the best parts of this game is learning the different strengths and weaknesses of the planes. When you fet comfortable with one of them, it's time to move on to another!

Which another good reason to attend KOTH. We use most of the fighter and attack planes and you get to know their strengths and weaknesses, also gives you a chance to set up those views in them to prevent that being an issue.
Yea I know, there goes fuzeman again with KOTH, I'll shut up now.  :D
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: atlau on September 19, 2020, 06:26:54 PM
Which another good reason to attend KOTH. We use most of the fighter and attack planes and you get to know their strengths and weaknesses, also gives you a chance to set up those views in them to prevent that being an issue.
Yea I know, there goes fuzeman again with KOTH, I'll shut up now.  :D

I often like to fly the plane that gives me the most trouble to fight against. And like you said even if you still don't like the plane it gives you a better understanding on how to defeat them.

Shuffler, I enjoy the p38J. Except its hard to catch people with it! Especially if starting the fight from below!
Title: Re: ISO Duel Partner / Wingman
Post by: Shuffler on September 19, 2020, 10:14:34 PM
I often like to fly the plane that gives me the most trouble to fight against. And like you said even if you still don't like the plane it gives you a better understanding on how to defeat them.

Shuffler, I enjoy the p38J. Except its hard to catch people with it! Especially if starting the fight from below!

When they have alt on you, it gives them a false sense of security. Most waste that advantage fairly quickly.