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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: lyric1 on September 08, 2010, 10:58:25 AM
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The Japanese planes have very few skins available, and that is why we were more forgiving abd allowed similar skins into the game. If someone did a really different skin, it would find its way into the game instantly as I have no qualms about dropping a skins which is identical save for the serial number on the plane.
Based off Skuzzys comment from another thread I thought I would throw a few profiles on the skins forum I have. If any one sees something they like I can get a better scan of the plane in question. I will put up eventually KI-61 & KI-84 as I get around to it.
First off A6M2 Zero.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/A6M2PROFILEA-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/A6M2PROFILE1-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/A6M2PROFILE2-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/A6M2PROFILE3-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/A6M2PROFILE4-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/A6M2PROFILE5-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/A6M2PROFILE6-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/A6M2PROFILE7-1.png)
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I'd really like to see these two Ki-61 skins.
(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/aircraft/kawasaki_ki61/Ki61_Tei_244Sentai_1.png)
(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/aircraft/kawasaki_ki61/Ki61_Hei_18Sentai_1.png)
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KI-61 Profiles.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI61PROFILEA-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI61PROFILE1-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI61PROFILE2-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI61PROFILE3-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI61PROFILE4-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI61PROFILE5-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI61PROFILE6-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI61PROFILE7-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI61PROFILE8-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI67PROFILE9-1.png)
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Lyric, you need to teach yourself how to skin. :)
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Dang lyric that's a lot of profiles. :lol
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Lyric, you need to teach yourself how to skin. :)
That didn't work out to well. :aok
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KI-84.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI84PROFILE1-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI84PROFILE2-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI84PROFILE3-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI84PROFILE4-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI84PROFILE5-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI84PROFILE6-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI84PROFILE7-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI84PROFILE8-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI84PROFILE9-1.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI84PROFILE10-1.png)
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Japanese unit insignia.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/japinsig.jpg)
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Great Stuff Lyric.
Is it me or does the ki-84 look long and sleep compared to the ki-84 in game... In game it seems to be stubby lookin? :confused:
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Great Stuff Lyric.
Is it me or does the ki-84 look long and sleep compared to the ki-84 in game... In game it seems to be stubby lookin? :confused:
Not sure my self?
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ki-84-1.jpg
http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/joe_brennan/order_of_battle.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ki-43s_and_Ki-84s.jpg
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=975
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I have like 40 J2M profiles that I can upload,
oh wait, we dont have the J2M, yet..............
:noid
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Some Mitsubishi G4M Betty profiles & panel lines.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/betty13.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/betty14-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/betty15.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/betty.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/betty1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/betty2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/betty3.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/betty4.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/betty5.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/betty6.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/betty7.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/betty8.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/betty9.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/betty10.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/betty11.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/betty12.jpg)
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In light of the home page.
BUMP.
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Only 350 A6M3 model 32s were made, give or take. There are only so many options for that plane in light of the new addition.
I also think HTC should not allow orange skins on any of the remodeled A6Ms. Those were training school skins, and not combat units. The orange was a denotation for friendly units not to fire on it if the pilot looked like he had no clue what he was doing. So to speak. Later they camouflaged the top so they were harder to spot, but ground crews looking up with itchy trigger fingers and lethal ack guns would see the orange bellies and hold fire.
It doesn't fit the spirit of the skins criteria so far in place.
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The Orange A6M2 is a must!
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IIRC The orange skins are allowed, at least on the N1K, because those training squadrons did come under combat somewhere by American fighters.
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Well some A6M3 stuff I found on line.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4665576/Aircraft-Profile-190-Mitsubishi-A6M3-ZeroSen-Hamp
http://asisbiz.com/il2/Zero/A6M3-22-251Kokutai-UI-105-Nishizawa.html
http://www.cybermodeler.com/aircraft/a6m/a6m3_walk.shtml
http://home.earthlink.net/~dougzeug/id1.html
As far as the orange zero's are concerned. :headscratch: You will have to fight that out amongst your selves I have no clue on that issue.
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IIRC The orange skins are allowed, at least on the N1K, because those training squadrons did come under combat somewhere by American fighters.
It's also possible that with newer standards that HTC will be a bit more selective in their skins now that these planes have been remodeled after... well for the first time ever.
Considering that only late in the war would training units be in danger of running into US aircraft, I don't think that applies to these zeroes at all. The A6M5b even first flew in early 1943 and was in service by autumn 1943. There were still almost 2 years of the war left.
At least now we can lose those dreadful A6M3 skins off the A6M5b model (which really really don't belong!) since they have their own plane in-game.
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It's also possible that with newer standards that HTC will be a bit more selective in their skins now that these planes have been remodeled after... well for the first time ever.
Considering that only late in the war would training units be in danger of running into US aircraft, I don't think that applies to these zeroes at all. The A6M5b even first flew in early 1943 and was in service by autumn 1943. There were still almost 2 years of the war left.
Let the debate commence :D
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/a6m-21.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/a6m-2-1.jpg)
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A Black KI-84....oh man I want it :aok
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(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/a6m-2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/zeros.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/zeros1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/zeros2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/zeros3.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/zeros4.jpg)
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Lyric, suicide or kamikaze plane skins would not count either. Also, those are based in Japan itself. No allies were fighting land-based zekes over Japan in 1943.
Ink: really? Seriously?
(http://www.nakatomitower.com/skins/images/screenshots/ki84_57shimbutai_2.jpg)
And it's not black. One of those bad intrepretations from poor quality scale decals and/or profiles. It's dark brown, similar to some other planes (Ki-61 has some similar paint schemes).
I did my research on that one when I made the skin. The "black" claims are wrong.
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Lyric, suicide or kamikaze plane skins would not count either. Also, those are based in Japan itself. No allies were fighting land-based zekes over Japan in 1943.
Ink: really? Seriously?
(http://www.nakatomitower.com/skins/images/screenshots/ki84_57shimbutai_2.jpg)
And it's not black. One of those bad intrepretations from poor quality scale decals and/or profiles. It's dark brown, similar to some other planes (Ki-61 has some similar paint schemes).
I did my research on that one when I made the skin. The "black" claims are wrong.
Yes I do like that skin...but I was referring to this one
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/KI84PROFILE9-1-1.png)
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Lyric, suicide or kamikaze plane skins would not count either. Also, those are based in Japan itself. No allies were fighting land-based zekes over Japan in 1943.
Personally I don't care either way. How ever the text in the last photo says that surviving 21's were made in to Kamikaze aircraft in 1945. If no Kamikaze's are allowed fair enough :aok Just to play devils advocate though if any of them ran in to US naval aircraft then what?
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Well, it doesn't say they left it orange, does it? :t
(just playing devil's advocate!)
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Well, it doesn't say they left it orange, does it? :t
(just playing devil's advocate!)
BUGGER. :lol
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Hello, this is busa01.
A6M2 (A6M2b Model 21) painted by orange do not exist.
The prototype and trainer orange (color code C1 orange yellow) are not used for A6 series.
It was enacted that IJNAF painted orange to a prototype at the beginning of 1943.
Therefore, the prototype of A6M1-M5 was gray green.
Incidentally the prototype of J2M1 was gray green, and the prototype of J2M2 was orange.
And Ka-101 were gray green.
A6M2-K painted by orange is not used for the combat.
A6M2-K painted in an orange/green was used for the kamikaze attack.
Since I am a Japanese, I do not want to use the skin of a kamikaze attack in a game, although it is a personal opinion.
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A bunch of very cools stuff from this link I found in a round about manner from info that Megalodon had mentioned on the captured P40.
http://japaneseaircraft.multiply.com/photos?&=&album=&page_start=0
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A bunch of very cools stuff from this link I found in a round about manner from info that Megalodon had mentioned on the captured P40.
http://japaneseaircraft.multiply.com/photos?&=&album=&page_start=0
This site has some very cool stuff who wants these aircraft to skin?
Bare metal.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/MonogramA6M5-02.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/MonogramA6M5-03.jpg)
Greebo I think this one has your name on it. :aok
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/81-181-01.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Sweet1a.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Sweet1b.jpg)
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This site has some very cool stuff who wants these aircraft to skin?
Greebo I think this one has your name on it. :aok
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/81-181-01.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Sweet1a.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Sweet1b.jpg)
This one is a must do. :headscratch:
Well the one in the back ground anyway. :aok
MITSUBISHI A6M2b ZERO FIGHTER TYPE 21w/60Kg BOMBS
Markings : I.J.N. 381st N.F.G. 311th F.S. Code: 81-163 Philippines April 1944
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/09626.jpg)
Another photo of the same plane with the yellow nose & red spinner.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/81-181-02.jpg)
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Thanks Lyric1, some nice looking schemes. I'll skin the 381st NFG's 81-181 for sure.
The bare metal A6M5 is interesting, presumably that was done locally to gain a few mph. Anyone got any history on it?
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The BMF photo has TAIC on the tail. That's the testing authority. They came up with the tested performance values that went into manuals and such. Not a combat paint scheme.
I would be doubtful of the orange tails until you could show some better photo evidence. AND prove they were combat schemes. I don't see it too well in the photo you showed.
It's one thing to hunt down the brightest most colorful schemes, but IMO they're misleading because 99.9999% of the time they never flew combat or were specialized training schemes or what-have-you. The reason you don't fly bright planes into combat is they get picked on first and get shot down first. Camouflage was to blend in, not to stand out.
EDIT:
http://books.google.com/books?id=NFjEKC2RNbUC&pg=PA40&lpg=PA40&dq=TAIC+A6M&source=bl&ots=R9K4pryFOV&sig=JlCF4K2iZTa1O9ntJQEpbmnsC5Q&hl=en&ei=ptguTrugPOfhiAL7-b0r&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=TAIC%20A6M&f=false
One of many paint schemes (rather, lack of a paint scheme) used during its US captivity tests, according to this Osprey book.
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A bunch of very cools stuff from this link I found in a round about manner from info that Megalodon had mentioned on the captured P40.
http://japaneseaircraft.multiply.com/photos?&=&album=&page_start=0
Great find excelent pics :aok
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I would be doubtful of the orange tails until you could show some better photo evidence. AND prove they were combat schemes. I don't see it too well in the photo you showed.
It's one thing to hunt down the brightest most colorful schemes, but IMO they're misleading because 99.9999% of the time they never flew combat or were specialized training schemes or what-have-you. The reason you don't fly bright planes into combat is they get picked on first and get shot down first. Camouflage was to blend in, not to stand out.
Close up of the second partial photo that I had previously posted of that unit's tail markings.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/81-181-02.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/81-181-02-1-1.jpg)
Clear demarcation line on two aircraft where vertical stabilizer starts. A single horizontal stripe with numbers above it. As far as colours are concerned in most cases when no colour photos exist profiles & documented known squadron markings are typically the bench mark.
I don't know a lot about this unit so far except what the plastic model has about it. Phillippines in 1944 :headscratch: A little far from home to be a trainer unit I think?
As far as the camo is for hiding type comment :headscratch: Yeah I would tend to agree with that except there are always exceptions,squadron leader markings,lead aircraft formation leaders. The Japanese where not afraid to use some colour when needed. As for example lets look at this D3A at Pearl Harbour.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/EI-238-photo.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/94668_0.jpg)
Safe bet this guy stood out like a soar thumb on the first day of WWII against the USA.
Try a new approach.
Lets look at the Naval air group 381ST.
http://niehorster.orbat.com/014_japan/navy-co/air-groups.html
Leader of this group from above link.
381 Naval Air Group
activated 10.43
disbanded 9.45
• Capt Kondo Katsuji (46) 10.43 – 10.44
Capt Katsuji some info on him.
http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/K/o/Kondo_Katsuji.htm
http://homepage2.nifty.com/nishidah/e/px46.htm#r015
A very distinguished career to say the least & CO of a fighter group. :salute
381ST had carrier fighters & night fighters so I would say no trainer unit here.
http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/oob/jap.php?unit=381_Air_Group#381_Air_Group
I will dig around some more on this.
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Good spot on the TAIC logo Krusty. Also the Japanese did move a lot of their training south as fuel was easier to come by there.
Osprey's "Imperial Japanese Navy Aces 1937-45" has a brief mention of the 381st in it: "Established 10/43. Fought over Biak, Borneo, Celebes and French Indochina. Disbanded at the end of the war." It does not mention any action over the Philippines, but that does not necessarily mean the squadron was not on active service there. At least one of the 381st's squadrons was also the first to receive the J2M Raiden in late 1943.
I don't believe an aircraft actually has to have seen combat for it to be allowed as a skin, it just needs to have seen front line service. The combat issue is for whether a plane gets included in the game in the first place.
I'll hold on this one for now and see if anything else turns up on it.
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Combat is implied. Used in harm's way. No training skins. No unarmed recon. etc...
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You can skin unarmed recon planes (Mossie 16s), what you can't do is skin an unarmed recon scheme onto an armed aircraft. Besides unarmed recon aircraft were frequently put in harm's way so its irrelevant to the topic here anyway. These Zeroes have open gun ports which would probably have been taped over if the guns were removed, so I would say it is likely they were armed.
The issue here is not whether the 381st's A6Ms saw combat in this scheme. It is whether they were considered by the IJNAF to be an operational squadron at the time. In other words, if the USN had turned up in the Phillippines in April 44 when the 381st were there, would they have been sent up to intercept?
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You can skin unarmed recon planes (Mossie 16s), what you can't do is skin an unarmed recon scheme onto an armed aircraft. Besides unarmed recon aircraft were frequently put in harm's way so its irrelevant to the topic here anyway. These Zeroes have open gun ports which would probably have been taped over if the guns were removed, so I would say it is likely they were armed.
The issue here is not whether the 381st's A6Ms saw combat in this scheme. It is whether they were considered by the IJNAF to be an operational squadron at the time. In other words, if the USN had turned up in the Phillippines in April 44 when the 381st were there, would they have been sent up to intercept?
I disagree, on many levels.
The Mossie16 is an exception to the rule because it is a very recent addition to the fold. But to the rest I think that's not an accurate representation of the aircraft that fought. Just because a unit is active doesn't mean it engaged in combat. There were many "active" units that never saw combat. Training units and such. Unarmed recon squadrons were active. The Luftwaffe had many active squadrons that were there for myriad training and evaluation purposes. The way these craft are used in-game is only as fighters, bombers, armed front line weapons of death and destruction. If the skin you fly is a non-combat set of markings it really is a disservice to the game and the people that know better. It's one thing to strive for the colorful or unique marking (I myself tilt that way) but to add them simply for color is a little too arcade/quake/Ubisoft for Aces High. This game is a level above bright markings just "because" or anything like that.
The spirit of the rules is that the skins fought. Just to be stationed somewhere for unknown reasons with questionable combat deployment? IMO that's not good enough. Either you can show they engaged in combat or you can't.
That academic discussion aside.....
To the markings in question: I don't know myself, not having delved into the unit history. What I do say is that looking at the photos there I don't see what looks like orange tails. I say that knowing IJN/IJA patterns of camo no other planes had orange upper sides (or under sides) that were front line combat units. Orange was a training color. I say that the photos don't show it, the traditional and well-established norm contradicts it, so I say the orange tail is a fabrication or false intrepretation, and not historical. I say if any craft had some orange tail like this (which so far I am unconvinced) it was not a combat airframe any more than the Blue Angels or the Red Arrows.
That's all I'm saying in this specific set of markings.
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IMHO its armed up and on a flight line with others also bombed up. Its in a fighter group, not a training group. I say do it.
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To the markings in question: I don't know myself, not having delved into the unit history. What I do say is that looking at the photos there I don't see what looks like orange tails. I say that knowing IJN/IJA patterns of camo no other planes had orange upper sides (or under sides) that were front line combat units. Orange was a training color. I say that the photos don't show it, the traditional and well-established norm contradicts it, so I say the orange tail is a fabrication or false intrepretation, and not historical. I say if any craft had some orange tail like this (which so far I am unconvinced) it was not a combat airframe any more than the Blue Angels or the Red Arrows.
That's all I'm saying in this specific set of markings.
So the bright orange D3a is not pertinent because the orange training colour is on the fuselage & not on the upper or lower surfaces?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/94668_0.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/EI-238-photo.jpg)
That paint scheme was put in to combat on day one of the war for the Japanese & we know there is instances that the orange scheme was still being used at war's end. So can you at least concede that there,might be,maybe,could have,possibly,been used at some point during the war as well?
Plus that D3a aircraft is very very well documented in regards to it's appearance.
Plus I find it a tad hypocritical here on this post when you are talking in absolutes in terms of colours when in the P40 thread about the yellow nose P40 you said this.
Sadly, no you cannot make such a comparison with black and white shades. It doesn't hold up. Different films show different colors a certain way, and while he may have a yellow flight suit, a suit of tan, or of beige, or of "sand" may all appear the same on B&W. You can get some generalization from the photos, such as color differences, but you cannot equate colors when there isn't any color present.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,316356.75.html
Sorry Krusty but I have to take you to task on this one. You skipped over the point I had made prior in this thread about exceptions & this unit just may be one of those. I am still digging & I have found more information at this point it still is not enough though. I have a few books on the way that may shed more light on this unit.
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Some new info another squadron photo of this unit not a very clear one as it is out of a Japanese magazine. The second plane from the right shows a demarcation line on the vertical tail.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/A6M2_zer0-sen_hv-tail_Philippines_1944-W-nankai46.jpg)
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After digging about for some KI-84 information. I stumbled across some good books online & have found some photos that match profiles that I long suspected as fictional.
Thought I would stick them in this thread if any one wants to do them for future reference.
520th Temporary Interception Regiment.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/34-2d605a0b60%20a_zpsvtrxdoma.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/34-2d605a0b60%20a_zpsvtrxdoma.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki%2016_zpsf9cxeyjh.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki%2016_zpsf9cxeyjh.jpg.html)
http://modelingmadness.com/scott/decals/es/es32067.htm
182nd Shimbu-tai.
This is a Kamikaze aircraft :headscratch: Is it though if the pilot & aircraft survive the war?
I would say it could be skinned. :aok
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/m_zpsnrejdkzy.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/m_zpsnrejdkzy.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20a_zpslnlv9jeo.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20a_zpslnlv9jeo.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20b_zpsqh13z1q3.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20b_zpsqh13z1q3.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled_zpsih9xxifi.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled_zpsih9xxifi.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20c_zpsssl6alyq.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20c_zpsssl6alyq.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/600x_ki-84_182shimbutai_zpsqk3jzsvn.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/600x_ki-84_182shimbutai_zpsqk3jzsvn.jpg.html)
Another Kamikaze squadron I think we already have one in game from this squadron.
57th Shinbu-Tai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20d_zpsongabumc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20d_zpsongabumc.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20c_zpswiyvkcjh.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20c_zpswiyvkcjh.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/avi32003_t_zpswmy8non1.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/avi32003_t_zpswmy8non1.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/avi32003_2_zps5dqb8ro9.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/avi32003_2_zps5dqb8ro9.jpg.html)
http://www.internetmodeler.com/2005/may/new-releases/decal_aviprint.php
Army transportation unit 2nd Hikotai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/tiger%20on%20tail_zpst5rouliu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/tiger%20on%20tail_zpst5rouliu.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/02_zpsmzoaw5rx.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/02_zpsmzoaw5rx.jpg.html)
More to come later.
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Lyric, from my research and understanding back when I did the 57 Shimbu-Tai skin, these aircraft were the top cover and escorts for the actual kamikazes. So... technically they were part of a kamikaze unit, but were not the planes used for the deed, if you see what I mean.
As for the last images... Very interesting, but "transportation unit" altered the markings and these were what you might consider post-war captured airframes and the paint schemes modified by the captors. On the one hand it mentions orders to paint the airframes, then says this wasn't painted in a solid color -- I'm not clear on the wording. Were the blotches already there? Or were they added by the captors taking possession of it?
The mystery of the Ki-84 model in "fantasy markings" may be inspired by tales of this paint scheme, though. I wonder if this is what inspired that particular idea.
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As for the last images... Very interesting, but "transportation unit" altered the markings and these were what you might consider post-war captured airframes and the paint schemes modified by the captors. On the one hand it mentions orders to paint the airframes, then says this wasn't painted in a solid color -- I'm not clear on the wording. Were the blotches already there? Or were they added by the captors taking possession of it?
Actually this is legit. Read the first profile on the decal sheet it has the history.
Did it see combat like this though?
" This aircraft was flown by 1st Lt. Shuho Yamana, Army Air ferry Command, 2nd Hikotai in 1944. He picked it up in Nakajima's Ota factory and flew it to Saigon."
http://www.j-aircraft.org/smf/index.php?topic=15446.0
http://www.aviationofjapan.com/2015_03_01_archive.html
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10TH Rensai Hikotai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20e_zpsnx38qenf.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20e_zpsnx38qenf.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20a_zpst4mwjsq0.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20a_zpst4mwjsq0.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20d_zpsedks5zai.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20d_zpsedks5zai.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20b_zpsyunmcjl6.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20b_zpsyunmcjl6.jpg.html)
72ND Sentai 3RD Chutai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20f_zpsysojgrm9.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20f_zpsysojgrm9.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20g_zpskpjlarsg.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20g_zpskpjlarsg.jpg.html)
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Actually this is legit. Read the first profile on the decal sheet it has the history.
Did it see combat like this though?
" This aircraft was flown by 1st Lt. Shuho Yamana, Army Air ferry Command, 2nd Hikotai in 1944. He picked it up in Nakajima's Ota factory and flew it to Saigon."
http://www.j-aircraft.org/smf/index.php?topic=15446.0
http://www.aviationofjapan.com/2015_03_01_archive.html
D'oh, I totally misread that blotchy scan to say "Ohio AB" ROFL :rofl I thought it was a US captured airframe! Though, yes. I agree that transport markings are often not the final actual-unit markings that an airframe flies into combat with.
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25th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/nakajima-ki-84-dekker_zps4xjhv9on.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/nakajima-ki-84-dekker_zps4xjhv9on.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20x_zpsarn6evog.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20x_zpsarn6evog.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%2025th_zpsrchhtehm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%2025th_zpsrchhtehm.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Ki-84_hayate_25-Sentai_surrender_Japan_1945-W-1.jpgoriginal_zpsvusoxldk.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Ki-84_hayate_25-Sentai_surrender_Japan_1945-W-1.jpgoriginal_zpsvusoxldk.jpg.html)
72nd Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitle%20a_zpsmztmcjry.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitle%20a_zpsmztmcjry.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/103-d309fccc1a%20b_zpscsi2uz3m.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/103-d309fccc1a%20b_zpscsi2uz3m.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20z_zps5euvw0y5.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20z_zps5euvw0y5.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitle%20n_zpsj3ndlopa.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitle%20n_zpsj3ndlopa.jpg.html)
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That crackle type pattern is interesting to see, but now we get into a problem area with those photos. Where was it? When was it? What was this airframe doing?
For example, find any photo of a 4x20mm armed Ki-84, and dollars to donuts they're sitting in disarray on a storage lot at the end of the war and were never used in combat.
Looking at the picture you can see that it's a field full of tall grass -- doesn't look like one that has much people (or planes, or trucks, or wagons) moving around these planes. It's sitting next to twin engined planes and in the background are maybe A6Ms of some kind?
The Ki-84 is in such weathered disarray that the anti-glare is flaked off on the cowling nose, and even the meatballs -- which were often lovingly touched up and cared for -- are fading and flaking.
To me, that's not a combat airframe. At least not without a heck of a lot of more information. It looks to be in storage. Many airframes at the end of the war sat without parts, without fuel, without pilots. Some were stored for a potential invasion from the West, but never used. To me that photo screams "not in use" in most of the details it presents.
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Good stuff, Lyric. Thanks for posting. I'll definitely be making that 25th Sentai bird.
Has anyone seen any actual photos of a non-bare metal 29th Sentai Ki 84? I've seen profiles of them with either blue or red swooshing arrows, but no actual pictures.
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That crackle type pattern is interesting to see, but now we get into a problem area with those photos. Where was it? When was it? What was this airframe doing?
For example, find any photo of a 4x20mm armed Ki-84, and dollars to donuts they're sitting in disarray on a storage lot at the end of the war and were never used in combat.
Looking at the picture you can see that it's a field full of tall grass -- doesn't look like one that has much people (or planes, or trucks, or wagons) moving around these planes. It's sitting next to twin engined planes and in the background are maybe A6Ms of some kind?
The Ki-84 is in such weathered disarray that the anti-glare is flaked off on the cowling nose, and even the meatballs -- which were often lovingly touched up and cared for -- are fading and flaking.
To me, that's not a combat airframe. At least not without a heck of a lot of more information. It looks to be in storage. Many airframes at the end of the war sat without parts, without fuel, without pilots. Some were stored for a potential invasion from the West, but never used. To me that photo screams "not in use" in most of the details it presents.
:rofl :rofl
sorry Krusty but the 4 20's saw combat....and that has been proven I dont know how many times on these boards.
every Japanese plane towards the end of the war looked like it was painted 20 friggen years ago...they used crap paint and it flaked off very easily....
just like you said my Ki was a fantasy plane :rofl....you do not know everything and when you read something that you don't like you say it is wrong....
I was actually happy to see you back....but I see you have not changed at all...and it still Krusty knows everything and everyone else is wrong.
one think you are correct on...The Ki84 was escorts for the Kamikaze and not used for it.
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That crackle type pattern is interesting to see, but now we get into a problem area with those photos. Where was it? When was it? What was this airframe doing?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20nn_zpsqlocdxgb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20nn_zpsqlocdxgb.jpg.html)
https://books.google.com/books?id=DkTyUnIKs-cC&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84&dq=25th+sentai+china&source=bl&ots=gxb1Lg-eb6&sig=2IIqWwGNQuxD6MMxHdo1K2bhfUA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEQQ6AEwCmoVChMI24iBzu_dxwIVhR0eCh1xRQs4#v=onepage&q=25th%20sentai%20china&f=false
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Has anyone seen any actual photos of a non-bare metal 29th Sentai Ki 84? I've seen profiles of them with either blue or red swooshing arrows, but no actual pictures.
Yet to find a photo of any of these aircraft that I can see these markings.
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Good stuff, Lyric. Thanks for posting. I'll definitely be making that 25th Sentai bird.
Has anyone seen any actual photos of a non-bare metal 29th Sentai Ki 84? I've seen profiles of them with either blue or red swooshing arrows, but no actual pictures.
just a quick search and I found this....not the 29th..but still a bare metal Ki...its from 73rd Sentai Tokorozawa
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/Ki-84_Hayate_73-Sentai_PI_1944-W-1y_zpsbdrigafa.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/fieldsofink/media/Ki-84_Hayate_73-Sentai_PI_1944-W-1y_zpsbdrigafa.jpg.html)
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durp I thought you were looking for bare metal birds...now I see you said NON bare metal.... :o
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I specified the non-bare metal in reference to the 29th Sentai, because we already have one. We also have the one in the pic you posted. But there might be one out there that hasn't been done for AH yet that I would want to do.
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sorry Krusty but the 4 20's saw combat....and that has been proven I dont know how many times on these boards.
Except... It hasn't. It's never been proven 4x20mm Ki-84s ever saw combat. Precious few were built at the very end of the production run when everything was falling apart, and it seems that almost all of those were moved for a possible invasion from Manchurian front...
But there's little evidence that they were ever used before the war ended. In fact, last time I did quite a bit of research on it, there was NO evidence they were ever used in combat. You can quite easily look at a photo of a Ki-84 and identify if it's got the 20mm cowling cannons based on the larger exhaust port cut into the side of the fuselage nose.
The only defense that's popped up to "prove" they saw service was a half-hearted "well... they MADE them, so they saw service!" which is observably and logically false. There are only a couple of decent photos showing the obviously different exhaust port configuration that the 20mm cowl guns used. They are inconclusive. The Ki-84-Ibs only started production at the end of the war. Production quality was so low that the people at the plants BUILDING the planes would feel sad seeing the work they just made crash into the trees on takeoff for the ferry flights. Something like 2/3 wouldn't make it out from the factory. Those that did had such low production quality that the engines wouldn't let them climb to altitude, and wouldn't even produce full throttle most times. A Ki-84-Ia from the beginning of the production run was actually the best performing and most reliable version around. They were the ones built with some semblence of quality control. Later, things were too desperate and the war was all but lost and landing on their shores.
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Except... It hasn't. It's never been proven 4x20mm Ki-84s ever saw combat. Precious few were built at the very end of the production run when everything was falling apart, and it seems that almost all of those were moved for a possible invasion from Manchurian front...
But there's little evidence that they were ever used before the war ended. In fact, last time I did quite a bit of research on it, there was NO evidence they were ever used in combat. You can quite easily look at a photo of a Ki-84 and identify if it's got the 20mm cowling cannons based on the larger exhaust port cut into the side of the fuselage nose.
The only defense that's popped up to "prove" they saw service was a half-hearted "well... they MADE them, so they saw service!" which is observably and logically false. There are only a couple of decent photos showing the obviously different exhaust port configuration that the 20mm cowl guns used. They are inconclusive. The Ki-84-Ibs only started production at the end of the war. Production quality was so low that the people at the plants BUILDING the planes would feel sad seeing the work they just made crash into the trees on takeoff for the ferry flights. Something like 2/3 wouldn't make it out from the factory. Those that did had such low production quality that the engines wouldn't let them climb to altitude, and wouldn't even produce full throttle most times. A Ki-84-Ia from the beginning of the production run was actually the best performing and most reliable version around. They were the ones built with some semblence of quality control. Later, things were too desperate and the war was all but lost and landing on their shores.
:rofl :rofl
you should re-read what I said.....
have a nice day :aok
I specified the non-bare metal in reference to the 29th Sentai, because we already have one. We also have the one in the pic you posted. But there might be one out there that hasn't been done for AH yet that I would want to do.
ya I just read it too fast and thought you were looking for bare metal Ki84's :salute
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just a quick search and I found this....not the 29th..but still a bare metal Ki...its from 73rd Sentai Tokorozawa
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/Ki-84_Hayate_73-Sentai_PI_1944-W-1y_zpsbdrigafa.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/fieldsofink/media/Ki-84_Hayate_73-Sentai_PI_1944-W-1y_zpsbdrigafa.jpg.html)
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durp I thought you were looking for bare metal birds...now I see you said NON bare metal.... :o
Few to choose from with bare metal.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/36-807660a428_zpskwayq6fb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/36-807660a428_zpskwayq6fb.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20dd_zps8q26jwrx.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20dd_zps8q26jwrx.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20tt_zpsm5a19tkk.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20tt_zpsm5a19tkk.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20rt_zpsyt2g6y5x.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20rt_zpsyt2g6y5x.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20ggh_zpsapbxwasq.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20ggh_zpsapbxwasq.jpg.html)
Red wing tips as well.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20kk_zpsdkljvmmj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20kk_zpsdkljvmmj.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20ee_zps3mpbk1oj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20ee_zps3mpbk1oj.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled_zpsahktsh0o.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled_zpsahktsh0o.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20xv_zpsq0t1pqsy.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20xv_zpsq0t1pqsy.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20ff_zpsel1cf4jv.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20ff_zpsel1cf4jv.jpg.html)
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Few to choose from with bare metal.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/36-807660a428_zpskwayq6fb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/36-807660a428_zpskwayq6fb.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20dd_zps8q26jwrx.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20dd_zps8q26jwrx.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20tt_zpsm5a19tkk.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20tt_zpsm5a19tkk.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20rt_zpsyt2g6y5x.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20rt_zpsyt2g6y5x.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20ggh_zpsapbxwasq.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20ggh_zpsapbxwasq.jpg.html)
Red wing tips as well.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20kk_zpsdkljvmmj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20kk_zpsdkljvmmj.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20ee_zps3mpbk1oj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20ee_zps3mpbk1oj.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled_zpsahktsh0o.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled_zpsahktsh0o.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20xv_zpsq0t1pqsy.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20xv_zpsq0t1pqsy.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20ff_zpsel1cf4jv.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20ff_zpsel1cf4jv.jpg.html)
nice!! :rock
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Doubt this is a combat aircraft it was too good a picture not to post though.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20bb_zpsbdsisz2m.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20bb_zpsbdsisz2m.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ZED%20Hobbies%20Dec%20Rising%20Decals%20RD72-068%20B_zps579ylhqq.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ZED%20Hobbies%20Dec%20Rising%20Decals%20RD72-068%20B_zps579ylhqq.jpg.html)
I think this is #86 there seems to be something possibly blocking the rest of the #8 in the photo?
185th Shinbutai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ka72m061Xc_zpszelaobwk.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ka72m061Xc_zpszelaobwk.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ka72m061Xb_zpsemqfcach.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ka72m061Xb_zpsemqfcach.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Captain%20Okita_zpsigqqtph1.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Captain%20Okita_zpsigqqtph1.jpg.html)
22nd Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Hasegawa72_zpsa8pbqe9o.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Hasegawa72_zpsa8pbqe9o.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Nakajima-Ki-84-Hiko-Dai-22-Sentai-1-Chutai-W60-Kimpo-Korea-late-1945-01_zpsi8klohjh.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Nakajima-Ki-84-Hiko-Dai-22-Sentai-1-Chutai-W60-Kimpo-Korea-late-1945-01_zpsi8klohjh.jpg.html)
9th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Nakajima-Ki-84-9-Sentai-1-Chutai-W46-Nanking-China-1945-01_zpszny9kqig.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Nakajima-Ki-84-9-Sentai-1-Chutai-W46-Nanking-China-1945-01_zpszny9kqig.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/IL2-2S-Ki-84-9-Sentai-1-Chutai-W49-Nanking-China-1945-V0A_zpsiahkdmts.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/IL2-2S-Ki-84-9-Sentai-1-Chutai-W49-Nanking-China-1945-V0A_zpsiahkdmts.jpg.html)
85th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Nakajima-Ki-84-Ko-85th-Sentai-3rd-Chutai-01_zpsq4srrdus.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Nakajima-Ki-84-Ko-85th-Sentai-3rd-Chutai-01_zpsq4srrdus.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Artwork-Nakajima-Ki-84-Hiko-Dai-85-Sentai-3-Chutai-0A_zpscuahvppb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Artwork-Nakajima-Ki-84-Hiko-Dai-85-Sentai-3-Chutai-0A_zpscuahvppb.jpg.html)
47th Sentai 1st Chutai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Nakajima-Ki-84-Hiko-Dai-47-Sentai-1-Chutai-B46-Kofu-Japan-1945-01_zpsywtyuy5x.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Nakajima-Ki-84-Hiko-Dai-47-Sentai-1-Chutai-B46-Kofu-Japan-1945-01_zpsywtyuy5x.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Artwork-Nakajima-Ki-84-Hiko-Dai-47-Sentai-1-Chutai-B46-Kofu-Japan-1945-0A_zpsw1e5gx6b.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Artwork-Nakajima-Ki-84-Hiko-Dai-47-Sentai-1-Chutai-B46-Kofu-Japan-1945-0A_zpsw1e5gx6b.jpg.html)
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What about the Manchurian Ki-43s? Are these not allowed or already in?
As a kid I remember seeing some Japanese planes with dark blue national insignia on a color plate. Must have been a misprint but always stuck with me.
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Number three on this sheet seems to be very different to most I have ever seen.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ColourfulHayates_2_zpsrbuetavp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ColourfulHayates_2_zpsrbuetavp.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/493_zpskmvlqf5l.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/493_zpskmvlqf5l.jpg.html)
"
1st Rensai-Hikotai at Nakatsu Air Base, Japan in 1945. The machine is finished in a heavily weathered very unusual finish comprising three distinct segments. The fuselage centre section is in a patchy light olive green, the forward fuselage and cowling is in a darker green mottling over natural metal whilst the rear fuselage is in a darker green with natural metal showing through. The wing sports white home defence bands. Spinner is in mid blue. Unit markings comprise white edged red bands around the rear fuselage and across the fin and rudder.
71st Hiko-Sentai in the Philippines early 1945. Finished in dark green upper surfaces over light grey undersides wit a mid blue spinner. Unit markings appear to be some form of a stylised marking in yellow with yellow numerals 3 or 6 and a 7. The reference picture of the aircraft shows it to be just a rear fuselage and horizontal stabilisers less their fabric covering, hence the uncertainty of its markings.
52nd Hiko-Sentai at Chofu Air Base, Japan in 1945. Finished in an unusual scheme of light grey over a green-grey underside. It sports a mid blue spinner as well as a yellow and red unit marking on the fin and rudder.
9th Hiko-Sentai at Suchow China in 1945. The machine is in weathered dark green over grey green camouflage with a white tipped mid blue spinner. White unit marking on the fin and rudder.
51st Hiko-Sentai and found at Atsugi Air Base in Japan in 1945. The aircraft is finished in medium green upper surfaces over grey green undersides (although the illustration on the placement guide shows the upper surfaces to be a light tan colour). The spinner is in mid blue with a yellow (or white) tip. Unit marking on the fin and rudder is in yellow."
http://www.hyperscale.com/2011/reviews/decals/ecd4811decalrevierk_1.htm
#37.
I would like to identify this squadron. Most English books list it as an unknown squadron I can't read Japanese I am hoping the writing lists the unit. 200th Sentai seems to the most likely choice as best I can tell with the Japanese text & what I can find online?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%2037_zpsg2ag1bxp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%2037_zpsg2ag1bxp.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/50-dab41008f0_zps7ss4xoja.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/50-dab41008f0_zps7ss4xoja.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20ddd_zpsphbikhun.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20ddd_zpsphbikhun.jpg.html)
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I think this is #86 there seems to be something possibly blocking the rest of the #8 in the photo?
185th Shinbutai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Captain%20Okita_zpsigqqtph1.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Captain%20Okita_zpsigqqtph1.jpg.html)
It is the same plane & it is the elevator that is blocking the number did not notice until I seen these models of the plane.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/GHayate2_zpsd2gtrain.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/GHayate2_zpsd2gtrain.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/GHayate3_zpskuckoicj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/GHayate3_zpskuckoicj.jpg.html)
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Japanese translation.
Otsu hikō dai 104 sentai honbu
B flight # 104 Squadron squadron headquarters
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20as_zpsa4ewxtsj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20as_zpsa4ewxtsj.jpg.html)
Kō hikō dai 112 sentai dai 1 chūtai Masaki Yasurō taii jōki
112th squadron Captain Masaki Yasuo machine.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84asd_zpssypgnznp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84asd_zpssypgnznp.jpg.html)
Kō hikō dai 104 sentai dai 2 chūtai
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84asde_zps71oby4xl.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84asde_zps71oby4xl.jpg.html)
Kō hikō dai 102 sentai dai 3 chūtai
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84asdef_zpsvugdfyoe.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84asdef_zpsvugdfyoe.jpg.html)
One I have already listed before.
Kō hikō dai 47 sentai `sakura'-tai (kyū dai 3 chūtai) Hatano taii jōki
47 squadron "Sakura" Corps (Old Third Squadron) Captain Hatano machine.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84asdd_zpshtiuz55n.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84asdd_zpshtiuz55n.jpg.html)
Another I have listed before.
Kō dai 10 rensei hikō-tai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20g_zpsy4ofr4sc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20g_zpsy4ofr4sc.jpg.html)
Another I have listed before.
Kō hikō dai 9 sentai dai 1 chūtai
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20sss_zpssgnlt0zl.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20sss_zpssgnlt0zl.jpg.html)
Kō hikō dai 101 sentai dai 2 chūtai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Ki-84%20101%20Sentai_zpsrjwr0ta1.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate
/Ki-84%20101%20Sentai_zpsrjwr0ta1.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki-84%20hdhd_zpswuumpx09.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki-84%20hdhd_zpswuumpx09.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84rrrr_zps1vwufula.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84rrrr_zps1vwufula.jpg.html)
already listed.
Kō hikō dai 25 sentai sentai honbu
Jia flight 25 squadron squadron headquarters
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20listed_zpshptozfyk.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20listed_zpshptozfyk.jpg.html)
another listed before.
Jia Army Air transport section the second squadron Yamana Lieutenant machine
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20tiger_zpsrezhkn2w.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20tiger_zpsrezhkn2w.jpg.html)
as well as this.
Jia Army special attack Corps 57th Fubu-tai Yamashita Takayuki corporal power machine
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20as%20well_zpscgi9mulf.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20as%20well_zpscgi9mulf.jpg.html)
this too.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki%2084%20ssssss_zpsnapiqs8k.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki%2084%20ssssss_zpsnapiqs8k.jpg.html)
Instep Hitachi instructor flight division Captain Masaki Yasuo machine.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20fffff_zpstrkjwhub.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20fffff_zpstrkjwhub.jpg.html)
Listed before.
Hei Army special attack Corps flight # 182 Fubu-tai (Retsuhikari-tai) captain Imoto lieutenant machine Tatebayashi
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20ffffjj_zps8gvpqdju.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20ffffjj_zps8gvpqdju.jpg.html)
Jia Army special attack Corps 57th Fubu-tai Karasawa Tetsujiro machine.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84lllll_zpsgdaukw5m.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84lllll_zpsgdaukw5m.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20ddddda_zpsohr4t8ph.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20ddddda_zpsohr4t8ph.jpg.html)
Instep Hitachi instructor flight division Captain Tsuruta Shigeru machine.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20dsds_zpszlntj7ry.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20dsds_zpszlntj7ry.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20later_zpsmyhiykn7.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20later_zpsmyhiykn7.jpg.html)
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Great stuff, Lyric. Thanks.
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22nd Sentai 1st Chutai.
#932
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20923_zpskthucjoi.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20923_zpskthucjoi.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki-84%20wwww_zpsjgipgpvz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki-84%20wwww_zpsjgipgpvz.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20ssss_zpsx4xhgbu7.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20ssss_zpsx4xhgbu7.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/923%20ki84_zps8uvpusjt.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/923%20ki84_zps8uvpusjt.jpg.html)
Took a while to find an image of this aircraft & so far this is the only one & it is a partial.
57th shinbu-tai.
#00.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki-84%2057th%2000_zpsoslnpmpq.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki-84%2057th%2000_zpsoslnpmpq.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/kanjiz_zpsoek66kvb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/kanjiz_zpsoek66kvb.jpg.html)
Top left.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/kanjiz%20a_zpscjcchnba.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/kanjiz%20a_zpscjcchnba.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/kanjiz%20a%20b_zpsfphgydf5.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/kanjiz%20a%20b_zpsfphgydf5.jpg.html)
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Thanks to lyric, there's enough info here to fill all the slots! :lol
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Thanks to lyric, there's enough info here to fill all the slots! :lol
I'm up for that challenge. :devil
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(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki-84%20www_zpsvppzj1gc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki-84%20www_zpsvppzj1gc.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/0303f11_zpsnbippcmi.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/0303f11_zpsnbippcmi.jpg.html)
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(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled_zpsio0bpikl.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled_zpsio0bpikl.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%2023_zpsqh4renkb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%2023_zpsqh4renkb.jpg.html)
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This one not 100% sure about however I think it is a match.
246 Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20246_zpsxmzuustk.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20246_zpsxmzuustk.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Artwork-Nakajima-Ki-84-246-Sentai-2-Chutai-0A_zpsbdjt9cp5.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Artwork-Nakajima-Ki-84-246-Sentai-2-Chutai-0A_zpsbdjt9cp5.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/dibujo11copia_zps7ypfnbjw.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/dibujo11copia_zps7ypfnbjw.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/d4b58e08a54c8577bb5372ca8f549ba6_zpsssuao0bj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/d4b58e08a54c8577bb5372ca8f549ba6_zpsssuao0bj.jpg.html)
After you enlarge the photo there looks to be a horizontal stripe in the right location & proportions? I can't find any other squadron with this type of tail markings on a KI-84.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/d4b58e08a54c8577bb5372ca8f549ba6%20a_zpsridplu9u.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/d4b58e08a54c8577bb5372ca8f549ba6%20a_zpsridplu9u.jpg.html)
Also based off of the photo not so sure it is a bare metal aircraft but another light grey scheme.
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The stripe looks too high and too thin. Also it might be NMF, look at the reflection of the puddle on the underside of the wings.
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The stripe looks too high and too thin. Also it might be NMF, look at the reflection of the puddle on the underside of the wings.
Compared to the profiles I would say your right on second thoughts with regards to the stripe. Profiles may simply be wrong? Don't know for sure the photo had no information as to where or when or who. Still think this maybe a 246th aircraft though would have liked a photo of the entire tail. :(
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Some of these are already in game & at some point when they update the KI-84 those skins will be gone & up for grabs again.
Few of them are also ones I have already listed.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img121_zpsiyfqc3af.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img121_zpsiyfqc3af.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img122_zpsm2gpmhof.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img122_zpsm2gpmhof.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img125_zpsemaaj2jk.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img125_zpsemaaj2jk.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img119_zpsesbj9pyh.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img119_zpsesbj9pyh.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img120_zpsrulmx0qb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img120_zpsrulmx0qb.jpg.html)
This aircraft #62 can be seen in the photo 3rd down.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img123_zpskd21we42.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img123_zpskd21we42.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img124_zpsx2ows5cu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img124_zpsx2ows5cu.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84asd_zpssypgnznp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84asd_zpssypgnznp.jpg.html)
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#37.
I would like to identify this squadron. Most English books list it as an unknown squadron I can't read Japanese I am hoping the writing lists the unit. 200th Sentai seems to the most likely choice as best I can tell with the Japanese text & what I can find online?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%2037_zpsg2ag1bxp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%2037_zpsg2ag1bxp.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/50-dab41008f0_zps7ss4xoja.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/50-dab41008f0_zps7ss4xoja.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20ddd_zpsphbikhun.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled%20ddd_zpsphbikhun.jpg.html)
Looks like #37 was most likely part of the 200th Sentai. These aircraft were all part of the Akeno flying school before they became a combat squadron.
http://arawasi-wildeagles.blogspot.com/2014/04/nakajima-ki-84-hayate-akeno-200-sentai.html
You can see some of them in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6L__BG1LwU
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/200%20sentai_zpsnznthjzs.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/200%20sentai_zpsnznthjzs.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/akeno_zps8ruceyqi.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/akeno_zps8ruceyqi.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/32%20akeno_zpsmswrvzbr.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/32%20akeno_zpsmswrvzbr.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/32%20akeeno_zpsxayqps8d.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/32%20akeeno_zpsxayqps8d.jpg.html)
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(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki%2071_zps3vh0ilhu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki%2071_zps3vh0ilhu.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki%2084%2072_zpsmfg2qrjf.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki%2084%2072_zpsmfg2qrjf.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki%20715_zpsu9cp5l7p.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki%20715_zpsu9cp5l7p.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20715_zpsknnsas7i.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20715_zpsknnsas7i.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki%2084%203%201_zpspnf7ldpd.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki%2084%203%201_zpspnf7ldpd.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%203_zpsajqrsdyp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%203_zpsajqrsdyp.jpg.html)
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(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/32%20akeno_zpsmswrvzbr.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/32%20akeno_zpsmswrvzbr.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/32%20akeeno_zpsxayqps8d.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/32%20akeeno_zpsxayqps8d.jpg.html)
Looks like there maybe a yellow band on this aircraft #32.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/12-14926aa7b1_zpsblaakxum.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/12-14926aa7b1_zpsblaakxum.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled_zps3k71visu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled_zps3k71visu.jpg.html)
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Photos & profiles not so great at least the text confirms the rudder also the photo seems to confirm some kind of splotchy camo scheme. The white stripe on the profile from another aircraft maybe? Or the artist mistook the tape for measuring the aircraft as a white stripe when the profile was done?
1st Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/27-a39e8748ff_zpszxmpwh58.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/27-a39e8748ff_zpszxmpwh58.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/18-d29053cdf3_zpshwema0mu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/18-d29053cdf3_zpshwema0mu.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/19-adac910fec_zpsut4azns4.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/19-adac910fec_zpsut4azns4.jpg.html)
111th Sentai.
Also not such a great profile but it is a match for the photos though.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/33-f106103fbc_zpsrjh2wcsc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/33-f106103fbc_zpsrjh2wcsc.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/72-2b737eacfc_zpsxdopaxu8.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/72-2b737eacfc_zpsxdopaxu8.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/62-b7f4d34a7d_zpsbvgwky2i.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/62-b7f4d34a7d_zpsbvgwky2i.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/25-477874299e_zpsms1lms3c.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/25-477874299e_zpsms1lms3c.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/111th_zpsksldr1m8.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/111th_zpsksldr1m8.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/111th%20z_zpsiyddc0k3.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/111th%20z_zpsiyddc0k3.jpg.html)
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(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/130-2c2ad4b2bd%20a_zpsaqhzb7fi.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/130-2c2ad4b2bd%20a_zpsaqhzb7fi.jpg.html)
Have no idea what it says so until someone tells me otherwise I will call this a 111th Sentai 1st Daitai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/28-2756c9e8db_zpstm0r5xqc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/28-2756c9e8db_zpstm0r5xqc.jpg.html)
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Would have liked a photo of the entire tail.
I do now these are Naval KI-84's don't know much more than that for now.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/d4b58e08a54c8577bb5372ca8f549ba6_zpsssuao0bj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/d4b58e08a54c8577bb5372ca8f549ba6_zpsssuao0bj.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/13th%20sentai%20ki84_zpsiiklwkqz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/13th%20sentai%20ki84_zpsiiklwkqz.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20bare_zpsmyn6q8si.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20bare_zpsmyn6q8si.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/i320%20a_zpss3rb29nh.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/i320%20a_zpss3rb29nh.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/B7APEdbCcAI9Tdz_zps8zfgncyp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/B7APEdbCcAI9Tdz_zps8zfgncyp.jpg.html)
Same aircraft just off the tarmac.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/F148_L_zps8zuj3qpc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/F148_L_zps8zuj3qpc.jpg.html)
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Took a bit to find this one. :old:
Kō dai 8 rensei hikō-tai.
Saigon.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/8th%20a_zps7wbh1hwu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/8th%20a_zps7wbh1hwu.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/8th_zpsiy9oq49l.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/8th_zpsiy9oq49l.jpg.html)
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I do now these are Naval KI-84's don't know much more than that for now.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/d4b58e08a54c8577bb5372ca8f549ba6_zpsssuao0bj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/d4b58e08a54c8577bb5372ca8f549ba6_zpsssuao0bj.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/13th%20sentai%20ki84_zpsiiklwkqz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/13th%20sentai%20ki84_zpsiiklwkqz.jpg.html)
Did the IJN use Ki-84's in combat? If so, that would be a very interesting subject to skin.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20bare_zpsmyn6q8si.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20bare_zpsmyn6q8si.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/i320%20a_zpss3rb29nh.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/i320%20a_zpss3rb29nh.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/B7APEdbCcAI9Tdz_zps8zfgncyp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/B7APEdbCcAI9Tdz_zps8zfgncyp.jpg.html)
Same aircraft just off the tarmac.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/F148_L_zps8zuj3qpc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/F148_L_zps8zuj3qpc.jpg.html)
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Did the IJN use Ki-84's in combat? If so, that would be a very interesting subject to skin.
Posted these in JAircraft forums seems to be a surprise so far to the administrators of that site that the IJN even had them. Oppama Naval base was South of Tokyo on the coast they had the propellers taken off as part of the concern that a pilot may go active again after the surrender. We may never know if they did or did not see combat? If someone knows JAircraft is the place the answer will be found.
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Posted these in JAircraft forums seems to be a surprise so far to the administrators of that site that the IJN even had them. Oppama Naval base was South of Tokyo on the coast they had the propellers taken off as part of the concern that a pilot may go active again after the surrender. We may never know if they did or did not see combat? If someone knows JAircraft is the place the answer will be found.
Interesting. Perhaps the aircraft were forced to divert to that airfield for some reason, but are actually IJA aircraft.
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Interesting. Perhaps the aircraft were forced to divert to that airfield for some reason, but are actually IJA aircraft.
The Japanese sites where I found some of the photos say theses were aircraft assigned to the navy for evaluation purposes.
Jim Lansdale at Jaircraft translated the tail.
"I think this this is [コ- ハへ-1 ] [KO-HA YA- 1]. KO is the prefix for test aircraft, followed by the kana for the first two syllables in HAYATE."
At wars end the Japanese through everything into the fight it is possible even though evaluation aircraft they still may have seen combat.
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85th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Nakajima-Ki-84-Ko-85th-Sentai-3rd-Chutai-01_zpsq4srrdus.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Nakajima-Ki-84-Ko-85th-Sentai-3rd-Chutai-01_zpsq4srrdus.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Artwork-Nakajima-Ki-84-Hiko-Dai-85-Sentai-3-Chutai-0A_zpscuahvppb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Artwork-Nakajima-Ki-84-Hiko-Dai-85-Sentai-3-Chutai-0A_zpscuahvppb.jpg.html)
You have to look through the Chinese markings & focus on the original Japanese insignia for this to work for Aces High. :aok
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Nakajima-Ki-84-Kuomintang-Air-Force-markings-1945-01_zpsxptd0a64.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Nakajima-Ki-84-Kuomintang-Air-Force-markings-1945-01_zpsxptd0a64.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/10_2_zpskhkdqpsz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/10_2_zpskhkdqpsz.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled_zps2x1nusz3.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Untitled_zps2x1nusz3.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/10_3_zpscwv2bmx8.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/10_3_zpscwv2bmx8.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/72078Ki-84-1_zps5yoxgdx1.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/72078Ki-84-1_zps5yoxgdx1.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/85TH_zps8uf1hezu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/85TH_zps8uf1hezu.jpg.html)
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Based off of the photo the tail numbers I think are yellow unlike the profiles.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/KI84%2071_zpsv68csrlb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/KI84%2071_zpsv68csrlb.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84_zpsptwpnuhs.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84_zpsptwpnuhs.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/KIIIII_zps98ndlkok.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/KIIIII_zps98ndlkok.jpg.html)
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1st Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/27-a39e8748ff_zpszxmpwh58.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/27-a39e8748ff_zpszxmpwh58.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/18-d29053cdf3_zpshwema0mu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/18-d29053cdf3_zpshwema0mu.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/19-adac910fec_zpsut4azns4.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/19-adac910fec_zpsut4azns4.jpg.html)
Found a better photo looks like they had a fire while measuring this plane.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/KI84%20ON%20FIRE_zpsm3rrnelp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/KI84%20ON%20FIRE_zpsm3rrnelp.jpg.html)
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101st Sentai 2nd Chutai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/20140722201610667_zpssuydmjea.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/20140722201610667_zpssuydmjea.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/KGrHqVqEFEFYnjRPHBRL7hRfdu60_57%20a_zps08ytrdby.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/KGrHqVqEFEFYnjRPHBRL7hRfdu60_57%20a_zps08ytrdby.jpg.html)
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58th Shinbu-tai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/58th_zpsrb06gg7b.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/58th_zpsrb06gg7b.jpg.html)
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(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/327%20a_zpscfsy2t9v.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/327%20a_zpscfsy2t9v.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Nakajima-Ki-84-Hiko-Dai-22-Sentai-1-Chutai-W60-Kimpo-Korea-late-1945-01_zpsi8klohjh.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Nakajima-Ki-84-Hiko-Dai-22-Sentai-1-Chutai-W60-Kimpo-Korea-late-1945-01_zpsi8klohjh.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/10th_zpse0ptqnh5.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/10th_zpse0ptqnh5.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/10th%20a_zpspg3kk10y.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/10th%20a_zpspg3kk10y.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/327_zpspplnozsa.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/327_zpspplnozsa.jpg.html)
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# 68 (top of above post) is on my to-do list.
Great stuff as usual, Lyric. Thanks.
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Great stuff as usual, Lyric. Thanks.
Thank you.
I have been trying to find photos of 29th Sentai Ki-84's & I have only found one that is a known 29th aircraft that crash landed.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Ki-84_hayate_29-Sentai_wreck_Lingayen_Luzon_PI_1945-W-1.jpgoriginal_zpsyk3nreyx.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Ki-84_hayate_29-Sentai_wreck_Lingayen_Luzon_PI_1945-W-1.jpgoriginal_zpsyk3nreyx.jpg.html)
No elaborate tail markings on this one. It is possibly this airplane in the profiles but I cant tell for sure.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/29TH_zpsg1buzrje.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/29TH_zpsg1buzrje.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/29TH%20A_zpst0qujmyn.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/29TH%20A_zpst0qujmyn.jpg.html)
From what I had read this unit was decimated & this explained why next to no photos were about when this unit was fighting in the Philippines.
I did find a photo of a KI-44 though & the text mentions that at some point it was beleived the tail markings of the 29th were fictitious.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/53-9ef401977a_zpszfczfaso.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/53-9ef401977a_zpszfczfaso.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/60-f5699c1249_zpsdvlsjibc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/60-f5699c1249_zpsdvlsjibc.jpg.html)
Interestingly the arrow on the KI-44 is over the horizontal surfaces instead of under on the KI-84 profiles & the arrow ends a long way short of the meatball like on the Ki-84 profiles.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki-84%2029th%20sentai_zps321hdgol.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki-84%2029th%20sentai_zps321hdgol.jpg.html)
Maybe a design change for the different model air frame or possibly different styles depending on who was painting them :headscratch: This seems unlikely to me though as the Japanese if nothing else were very particular about how they hand painted most of the aircraft.
While I was looking though my books this photo caught my eye in the top left corner. Not a great photo in terms of resolution & the aircraft in question is partially obscured.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img136_zpsqka2bcfd.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img136_zpsqka2bcfd.jpg.html)
Yet there is that same white curved shape on the tail of the center aircraft as in the profile above. Fairly certain it is what I have been looking for. The only thing I cant tell for certain is how exactly is it painted because it is not at all like any of the 29th Setai profiles I have seen before.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img132_zpsshmgre0r.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img132_zpsshmgre0r.jpg.html)
I think the photo is like the KI-44 profile over the tail. If so possibly all the profiles I have seen of these KI-84's a wrong.
Thoughts.
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Momotarō (Peach Boy).
197th Shinbu-tai.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momotar%C5%8D
http://www.geocities.ws/msheftall/ki84.html
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84-6_zpssepiee9z.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84-6_zpssepiee9z.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84-1_zpsfou1izoi.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84-1_zpsfou1izoi.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img137_zpsrfwostyh.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img137_zpsrfwostyh.jpg.html)
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58th Shinbu-tai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/58th_zpsrb06gg7b.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/58th_zpsrb06gg7b.jpg.html)
Better photo.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Og1nm_zpsfynluklg.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Og1nm_zpsfynluklg.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/9PjsB_zpssqghuerm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/9PjsB_zpssqghuerm.jpg.html)
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Found a better photo looks like they had a fire while measuring this plane.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/KI84%20ON%20FIRE_zpsm3rrnelp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/KI84%20ON%20FIRE_zpsm3rrnelp.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/KI-84%201ST_zpsgvy9nxcs.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/KI-84%201ST_zpsgvy9nxcs.jpg.html)
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The Japanese sites where I found some of the photos say theses were aircraft assigned to the navy for evaluation purposes.
Jim Lansdale at Jaircraft translated the tail.
"I think this this is [コ- ハへ-1 ] [KO-HA YA- 1]. KO is the prefix for test aircraft, followed by the kana for the first two syllables in HAYATE."
At wars end the Japanese through everything into the fight it is possible even though evaluation aircraft they still may have seen combat.
From a Japanese magazine.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki-84_ko-84-1_tail_art_zps15sijo6p.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki-84_ko-84-1_tail_art_zps15sijo6p.jpg.html)
Also found another photo of the same aircraft.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/1225236975_1_FT63_100_1898_zpsie3ewbx3.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/1225236975_1_FT63_100_1898_zpsie3ewbx3.jpg.html)
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520th Temporary Interception Regiment.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/34-2d605a0b60%20a_zpsvtrxdoma.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/34-2d605a0b60%20a_zpsvtrxdoma.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki%2016_zpsf9cxeyjh.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki%2016_zpsf9cxeyjh.jpg.html)
Another aircraft from this unit. There is no complete photo of this aircraft & it had a few changes over time.
This link below tells its story & it so happens I have both books that mentions the images.
http://www.aviationofjapan.com/2013/12/yet-more-hayate-thoughts-non-standard.html
Too big an image for my scanner.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/th_img138_zpsddurguxl.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img138_zpsddurguxl.jpg.html)(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/th_img139_zpsss7yih35.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img139_zpsss7yih35.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/LifelikeKi-84_zpsw28rumiu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/LifelikeKi-84_zpsw28rumiu.jpg.html)
I think the second aircraft over is the plane in question with no kill markings yet based off of the two profiles.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img127_zpsr4dniew3.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img127_zpsr4dniew3.jpg.html)
The pilot Lt. Kurai and his arm patch with kill markings.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img130_zpswslj3pcu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img130_zpswslj3pcu.jpg.html)
Partial view of the three striped profile.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img126_zps4mlaeptt.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img126_zps4mlaeptt.jpg.html)
Then there is the money shot.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img140_zpsnmytngwl.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img140_zpsnmytngwl.jpg.html)
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Great stuff, Lyric. I've had my eye on that scheme, now it shall be done.
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11th Sentai 3rd Chutai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/67-5fd233f288_zpspmmku4dg.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/67-5fd233f288_zpspmmku4dg.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img143_zps2gjxxblf.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img143_zps2gjxxblf.jpg.html)
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I do now these are Naval KI-84's don't know much more than that for now.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/B7APEdbCcAI9Tdz_zps8zfgncyp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/B7APEdbCcAI9Tdz_zps8zfgncyp.jpg.html)
Larger view you can see the spinner in this shot looks to be similar in colour to the text & stripe on the tail?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img146_zpshoelcmwt.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img146_zpshoelcmwt.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki-84_ko-84-1_tail_art_zps15sijo6p.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki-84_ko-84-1_tail_art_zps15sijo6p.jpg.html)
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22nd Sentai 1st Chutai.
#932
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20923_zpskthucjoi.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20923_zpskthucjoi.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki-84%20wwww_zpsjgipgpvz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki-84%20wwww_zpsjgipgpvz.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20ssss_zpsx4xhgbu7.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20ssss_zpsx4xhgbu7.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/923%20ki84_zps8uvpusjt.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/923%20ki84_zps8uvpusjt.jpg.html)
Another aircraft from the 22nd Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img144_zps19sziehj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img144_zps19sziehj.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img148_zpso4bsfokw.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img148_zpso4bsfokw.jpg.html)
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Looks like #37 was most likely part of the 200th Sentai. These aircraft were all part of the Akeno flying school before they became a combat squadron.
http://arawasi-wildeagles.blogspot.com/2014/04/nakajima-ki-84-hayate-akeno-200-sentai.html
You can see some of them in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6L__BG1LwU
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/200%20sentai_zpsnznthjzs.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/200%20sentai_zpsnznthjzs.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/akeno_zps8ruceyqi.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/akeno_zps8ruceyqi.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/32%20akeno_zpsmswrvzbr.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/32%20akeno_zpsmswrvzbr.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/32%20akeeno_zpsxayqps8d.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/32%20akeeno_zpsxayqps8d.jpg.html)
A profile I found to match in the above video link.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Hayate8_zpsgyzg6hvv.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Hayate8_zpsgyzg6hvv.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img150_zps62ualab1.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img150_zps62ualab1.jpg.html)
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#508 a bare metal aircraft I have been trying to figure out the only information I have found is in Japanese. :headscratch: I think it may have been an early test aircraft I am not sure though.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img147_zpsnvuvtdkq.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img147_zpsnvuvtdkq.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki43%20508_zpssv0p2ilm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki43%20508_zpssv0p2ilm.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki-84%20number%20508_zps5rsiftr1.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki-84%20number%20508_zps5rsiftr1.jpg.html)
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I have been trying to find photos of 29th Sentai Ki-84's & I have only found one that is a known 29th aircraft that crash landed.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Ki-84_hayate_29-Sentai_wreck_Lingayen_Luzon_PI_1945-W-1.jpgoriginal_zpsyk3nreyx.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Ki-84_hayate_29-Sentai_wreck_Lingayen_Luzon_PI_1945-W-1.jpgoriginal_zpsyk3nreyx.jpg.html)
No elaborate tail markings on this one. It is possibly this airplane in the profiles but I cant tell for sure.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/29TH_zpsg1buzrje.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/29TH_zpsg1buzrje.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/29TH%20A_zpst0qujmyn.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/29TH%20A_zpst0qujmyn.jpg.html)
Only the second confirmed 29th Sentai KI-84 picture I have found. No bare metal aircraft & still no elaborate tail markings to bee seen.
I believe the tail markings are the pilots initials.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img145_zpspzbjodsx.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img145_zpspzbjodsx.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img149_zpszhdi4qtb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img149_zpszhdi4qtb.jpg.html)
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#508 a bare metal aircraft I have been trying to figure out the only information I have found is in Japanese. :headscratch: I think it may have been an early test aircraft I am not sure though.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img147_zpsnvuvtdkq.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img147_zpsnvuvtdkq.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki43%20508_zpssv0p2ilm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki43%20508_zpssv0p2ilm.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki-84%20number%20508_zps5rsiftr1.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki-84%20number%20508_zps5rsiftr1.jpg.html)
Have you tried asking Blade and/or Busa for help on this one?
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Have you tried asking Blade and/or Busa for help on this one?
No.
I was hoping they or someone else would happen along on this & some of the other aircraft I listed. :aok
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Tad off subject but there is a few good photos that may help with panel lines & so forth.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/j2zhiekbo3n1fv4/224603032-Ki-84-Ia-Technical-Manual.pdf
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This one not 100% sure about however I think it is a match.
246 Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20246_zpsxmzuustk.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/ki84%20246_zpsxmzuustk.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Artwork-Nakajima-Ki-84-246-Sentai-2-Chutai-0A_zpsbdjt9cp5.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Artwork-Nakajima-Ki-84-246-Sentai-2-Chutai-0A_zpsbdjt9cp5.jpg.html)
Not a great photo the aircraft in the background at least confirms the stripe on the tail.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img131_zpseoncutrr.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img131_zpseoncutrr.jpg.html)
This KI-44 photo also confirms tail markings.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/246th_zpsagzvihip.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/246th_zpsagzvihip.jpg.html)
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Decent colourised photo.
52nd Sentai 3rd Chutai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/52ND_zpsq0muwfc4.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/52ND_zpsq0muwfc4.jpg.html)
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Army Flight Test Centre.
:headscratch: Really don't know how you would list this aircraft if it was to be skinned. I had this pilot Isamu Sasaki listed in the achievements for six B-29 kills in a KI-84. At the time I posted it I only could find a profile. The colourised photo seems to be different on a few points. A red fuselage band a standard brown spinner & it looks like the rudder is a repair job & has not been repainted yet.
http://www.ww2incolor.com/colorizations/sffsdfd.html
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fja.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F%25E4%25BD%2590%25E3%2580%2585%25E6%259C%25A8%25E5%258B%2587&edit-text=
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Isamu_Sasaki_zpsn09kuyi2.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Isamu_Sasaki_zpsn09kuyi2.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/26_zpskpuepxxv.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/26_zpskpuepxxv.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/26_zpsmwcya1ek.png) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/26_zpsmwcya1ek.png.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/26%20a_zpshwnp03x5.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/26%20a_zpshwnp03x5.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/sffsdfd_zpskwfbno0i.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/sffsdfd_zpskwfbno0i.jpg.html)
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That bottom pic is of a Ki-44, not an -84.
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That bottom pic is of a Ki-44, not an -84.
Your right only read the text in the link didn't look hard enough at the aircraft.
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Another aircraft from this unit. There is no complete photo of this aircraft & it had a few changes over time.
This link below tells its story & it so happens I have both books that mentions the images.
http://www.aviationofjapan.com/2013/12/yet-more-hayate-thoughts-non-standard.html
Too big an image for my scanner.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/th_img138_zpsddurguxl.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img138_zpsddurguxl.jpg.html)(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/th_img139_zpsss7yih35.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img139_zpsss7yih35.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/LifelikeKi-84_zpsw28rumiu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/LifelikeKi-84_zpsw28rumiu.jpg.html)
I think the second aircraft over is the plane in question with no kill markings yet based off of the two profiles.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img127_zpsr4dniew3.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img127_zpsr4dniew3.jpg.html)
The pilot Lt. Kurai and his arm patch with kill markings.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img130_zpswslj3pcu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img130_zpswslj3pcu.jpg.html)
Partial view of the three striped profile.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img126_zps4mlaeptt.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img126_zps4mlaeptt.jpg.html)
Then there is the money shot.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img140_zpsnmytngwl.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img140_zpsnmytngwl.jpg.html)
Few more form this group.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img174_zpsfnjhr0rm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img174_zpsfnjhr0rm.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img173_zpswqnfco6j.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img173_zpswqnfco6j.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img173a_zps8a3kgwm4.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img173a_zps8a3kgwm4.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img176_zpsqjec9cp4.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img176_zpsqjec9cp4.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img179_zps6fmkwpc8.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img179_zps6fmkwpc8.jpg.html)
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Another aircraft from the 22nd Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img144_zps19sziehj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img144_zps19sziehj.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img148_zpso4bsfokw.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img148_zpso4bsfokw.jpg.html)
Never seen this photo before of another 22nd Sentai KI-84.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img178_zpssjds0ixp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img178_zpssjds0ixp.jpg.html)
No profile to go with it though it is from a recently published Japanese magazine.
Guessing white spinner first stripe yellow second is white looks like the bottom corner of the rudder is another colour possibly yellow? No number yet has been painted on it. Bare metal under the horizontal portion of the tail.
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(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/327_zpspplnozsa.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/327_zpspplnozsa.jpg.html)
Another 73rd Sentai aircraft.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img175_zpsmqdsgaep.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img175_zpsmqdsgaep.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img177_zpsq1ufyxug.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/img177_zpsq1ufyxug.jpg.html)
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Have you tried asking Blade and/or Busa for help on this one?
I asked Blade to translate the #508 aircraft.
Thank you for that. :aok
The plane was used by No.185 - No.194 Shinbu-Tai, Shimodate-Airfield, Ibaraki-Prefecture.
That picture was taken June 1945 and was not painted & only a rough No. "508" written.
200 litre Unification tanks with each wing, & filled with water for dummy weight.
Trained Kamikaze-attack ... Dive-bombing ,take off and landing.
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:aok :salute
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Thank you.
I have been trying to find photos of 29th Sentai Ki-84's & I have only found one that is a known 29th aircraft that crash landed.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Ki-84_hayate_29-Sentai_wreck_Lingayen_Luzon_PI_1945-W-1.jpgoriginal_zpsyk3nreyx.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/Ki-84_hayate_29-Sentai_wreck_Lingayen_Luzon_PI_1945-W-1.jpgoriginal_zpsyk3nreyx.jpg.html)
No elaborate tail markings on this one. It is possibly this airplane in the profiles but I cant tell for sure.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/29TH_zpsg1buzrje.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/29TH_zpsg1buzrje.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/29TH%20A_zpst0qujmyn.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/29TH%20A_zpst0qujmyn.jpg.html)
Found a photo of the tail in the profiles.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/13-05d7756a99_zpsg3arjpls.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/13-05d7756a99_zpsg3arjpls.jpg.html)
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Ok Lyric, let's see you work your magic with some Ki-61 reference. :airplane:
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Ok Lyric, let's see you work your magic with some Ki-61 reference. :airplane:
Had to see what you were talking about. Good its updated. :aok
Have plenty to choose from have to go to work will add them over the weekend.
Here is my 1st.
244TH Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/trunk2w_zpsqzs2akeo.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/trunk2w_zpsqzs2akeo.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/a0f4d40320f77d60_zpsmmowhpbp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/a0f4d40320f77d60_zpsmmowhpbp.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/LL32005_zpskmo6nmwh.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/LL32005_zpskmo6nmwh.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/MA4K2m6_zpsyudz5btm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/MA4K2m6_zpsyudz5btm.jpg.html)
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I've seen depictions of 244 Sentai planes with blue tails. How accurate are these?
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/31/36/82/3136821d4a33a4f76149caf8841033f4.jpg)
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68TH Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/68th%20sentai_zpssfxbd3zc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/68th%20sentai_zpssfxbd3zc.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/D5Bmx63SGwM_zpsnrlnfmgk.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/D5Bmx63SGwM_zpsnrlnfmgk.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Hien68Sentai1_zps1jtxibkp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Hien68Sentai1_zps1jtxibkp.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Hien68Sentai2c_zpstvuwoota.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Hien68Sentai2c_zpstvuwoota.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Hien68Sentai4_zpspzmksre6.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Hien68Sentai4_zpspzmksre6.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Hien68Sentai5_zpskzzvbygq.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Hien68Sentai5_zpskzzvbygq.jpg.html)
http://arawasi-wildeagles.blogspot.com/2015/02/68th-sentai-kawasaki-ki-61-hien-tony.html
19th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/19th%20sentai_zpst7q0qnzq.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/19th%20sentai_zpst7q0qnzq.jpg.html)
(http://http:
//i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/71_zpsdo7rezyy.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/71_zpsdo7rezyy.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61_of_the_19th_Sentai_Philippines_1945_zpspxmbswod.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61_of_the_19th_Sentai_Philippines_1945_zpspxmbswod.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/68_zpsj1mkpuiu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/68_zpsj1mkpuiu.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/68b_zpsiupab8xs.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/68b_zpsiupab8xs.jpg.html)
56th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/56th%20sentai_zpspxtyojtj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/56th%20sentai_zpspxtyojtj.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/56Sentai4_zpsuetwmzpr.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/56Sentai4_zpsuetwmzpr.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/78-4afe4a9523%20qa_zpsjqxpmspv.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/78-4afe4a9523%20qa_zpsjqxpmspv.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Aces114_p27_zpstvsl15bd.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Aces114_p27_zpstvsl15bd.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/56th%20sentai%20b_zps1u78bkdr.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/56th%20sentai%20b_zps1u78bkdr.jpg.html)
78th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/78th%20sentai_zps7op6wvuu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/78th%20sentai_zps7op6wvuu.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/ki-61_hien_wreck_78th-Sentai_new-gu.jpgoriginal_zpsf5ramprq.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/ki-61_hien_wreck_78th-Sentai_new-gu.jpgoriginal_zpsf5ramprq.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/78th%20sentai%20a_zpsbijihtif.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/78th%20sentai%20a_zpsbijihtif.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/37-2_zpstli60fzr.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/37-2_zpstli60fzr.jpg.html)
55th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/55th%20sentai_zpsm0qqx3bf.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/55th%20sentai_zpsm0qqx3bf.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/55th%20sentai%20a_zpsjvx9ql1p.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/55th%20sentai%20a_zpsjvx9ql1p.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/03_zpsor2dhipk.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/03_zpsor2dhipk.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/26-2dfefb1135_zps2w1eyz6f.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/26-2dfefb1135_zps2w1eyz6f.jpg.html)
18th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/18th_zpsmjsultcf.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/18th_zpsmjsultcf.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/19-fc1af9d7de_zpsyc9qnxft.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/19-fc1af9d7de_zpsyc9qnxft.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/78-4afe4a9523%20qa_zpsttmtelot.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/78-4afe4a9523%20qa_zpsttmtelot.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/69-4990310912_zpstkqcnbxm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/69-4990310912_zpstkqcnbxm.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/169-4275e3c28c%20a_zpsxfv2km0h.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/169-4275e3c28c%20a_zpsxfv2km0h.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/83-bb6c92ab0e%20a_zpsw00gnzvo.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/83-bb6c92ab0e%20a_zpsw00gnzvo.jpg.html)
At some point the 18th tail markings had changed.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/18th%20sentai_zpsjkxleagf.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/18th%20sentai_zpsjkxleagf.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/35-b216b0939c_zps3tobyysc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/35-b216b0939c_zps3tobyysc.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/76-bffb99d171%2018th_zpsknhpmglp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/76-bffb99d171%2018th_zpsknhpmglp.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/37-6ba0821c33%20a_zpsq2ubwt1p.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/37-6ba0821c33%20a_zpsq2ubwt1p.jpg.html)
17th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/76-bffb99d171%20a_zpsa5ztlfxq.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/76-bffb99d171%20a_zpsa5ztlfxq.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/76-bffb99d171%20a_zps1j8jir29.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/76-bffb99d171%20a_zps1j8jir29.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/41-ea032f5bef%20a_zpsnb0o1wfg.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/41-ea032f5bef%20a_zpsnb0o1wfg.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/6-6a8e3c6992%20a_zpsyxsuomqd.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/6-6a8e3c6992%20a_zpsyxsuomqd.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/ki61_zps0laeh5q4.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/ki61_zps0laeh5q4.jpg.html)
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Army Flight Test Center.
Guess this would qualify as a combat mission.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img303_zpsywopzvqz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img303_zpsywopzvqz.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/aoa_114_ki-61_ki-100_aces_33_zpsoumn4wl5.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/aoa_114_ki-61_ki-100_aces_33_zpsoumn4wl5.jpg.html)
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37th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/128-a7f4c50210%20a_zpsx5jp5z9c.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/128-a7f4c50210%20a_zpsx5jp5z9c.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/58-b59c2bbfe4_zpskdlioiun.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/58-b59c2bbfe4_zpskdlioiun.jpg.html)
23rd Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/23rd%20ki_zps3rewpdws.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/23rd%20ki_zps3rewpdws.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/23rd%20a_zpskizxtost.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/23rd%20a_zpskizxtost.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/23rd_zpsq46vqugo.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/23rd_zpsq46vqugo.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/168-9fd0ce0626%20a_zpskgg28xka.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/168-9fd0ce0626%20a_zpskgg28xka.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/30ki611mz_zpscnwdytb0.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/30ki611mz_zpscnwdytb0.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61_colour_1a_zps7btdhhb3.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61_colour_1a_zps7btdhhb3.jpg.html)
149th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/149th%20sentai_zpskzcpckgf.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/149th%20sentai_zpskzcpckgf.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/ki_zps35cbigcv.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/ki_zps35cbigcv.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/128-a7f4c50210_zpsvsjwflwx.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/128-a7f4c50210_zpsvsjwflwx.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/149th%20sentai%20a_zpshfgpxugb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/149th%20sentai%20a_zpshfgpxugb.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/58-b59c2bbfe4%20a%20c_zpsm2vft8ve.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/58-b59c2bbfe4%20a%20c_zpsm2vft8ve.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/8-49e31598ad_zpszcgcxdi1.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/8-49e31598ad_zpszcgcxdi1.jpg.html)
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68TH Sentai
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/68TH%20KI-61_zps2jqsxya8.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/68TH%20KI-61_zps2jqsxya8.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/68TH%20KI_zpsx5wvni6q.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/68TH%20KI_zpsx5wvni6q.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61_Hien_68-sentai_Vunakanau_1943.jpgoriginal_zpsy1x2ue2j.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61_Hien_68-sentai_Vunakanau_1943.jpgoriginal_zpsy1x2ue2j.jpg.html)
56th Shinmu squadron
Same pilot same plane.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/833998751c76a5e9f7406013b4400c17_zpseoexxqpe.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/833998751c76a5e9f7406013b4400c17_zpseoexxqpe.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/2a05acb5bc1c738063ef3741d1aad046_zps6uwcrlmj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/2a05acb5bc1c738063ef3741d1aad046_zps6uwcrlmj.jpg.html)
5th drilling squadron.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/43-bd8cfb44ff%20a_zps4f9wwqgw.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/43-bd8cfb44ff%20a_zps4f9wwqgw.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/tumblr_o5rv5zzGgF1sli2zio1_1280_zpsyzwmyzpd.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/tumblr_o5rv5zzGgF1sli2zio1_1280_zpsyzwmyzpd.jpg.html)
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68TH Sentai
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/68TH%20KI-61_zps2jqsxya8.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/68TH%20KI-61_zps2jqsxya8.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61_hien_68-sentai_strike_Dagua_New-guinea_1944-W-1.jpgoriginal_zps8v6d5xte.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61_hien_68-sentai_strike_Dagua_New-guinea_1944-W-1.jpgoriginal_zps8v6d5xte.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61_hien_68-sentai_strike_Dagua_New-guinea_1944-W-2.jpgoriginal_zps45hrfvrz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61_hien_68-sentai_strike_Dagua_New-guinea_1944-W-2.jpgoriginal_zps45hrfvrz.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/68Hien-ttm4b_zpsjfotbz9m.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/68Hien-ttm4b_zpsjfotbz9m.jpg.html)
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78th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61_hien_68-sentai_fin_strike_Dagua_New-guinea_1944-W-2.jpgoriginal_zpsjnyugfql.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61_hien_68-sentai_fin_strike_Dagua_New-guinea_1944-W-2.jpgoriginal_zpsjnyugfql.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/78ttmaster4_zpsqh4liusr.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/78ttmaster4_zpsqh4liusr.jpg.html)
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I've seen depictions of 244 Sentai planes with blue tails. How accurate are these?
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/31/36/82/3136821d4a33a4f76149caf8841033f4.jpg)
Thought there was a thread about this before.
I am guessing no blue tails.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?topic=371642.0
http://www.j-aircraft.com/faq/ki61_pt2.htm#Speaking%20of%20244th%20Tails
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68th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/7585512300_e9d3034f81_b_zps6hqjhjfy.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/7585512300_e9d3034f81_b_zps6hqjhjfy.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/68th_zpsu3fdoybi.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/68th_zpsu3fdoybi.jpg.html)
53rd Sentai.
This aircraft was later transferred to the 19th Sentai.
The original 53rd squadron tail art is still visible under the 19th.
You can get a two for 1 out of this aircraft if you wanted to.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/53rd_zpsgfydxnci.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/53rd_zpsgfydxnci.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/2918665285_a2e17077c8_zpsfo44nlsl.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/2918665285_a2e17077c8_zpsfo44nlsl.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/21-e364293dd3_zps5sbvu9co.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/21-e364293dd3_zps5sbvu9co.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/53rd%20a_zpsccuigoqg.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/53rd%20a_zpsccuigoqg.jpg.html)
78th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/78th_zps2kaiurdt.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/78th_zps2kaiurdt.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/65_92_zpssl1zls5v.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/65_92_zpssl1zls5v.jpg.html)
244th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/18714939955_d18d69bc7a_b_zpsfjufc8nd.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/18714939955_d18d69bc7a_b_zpsfjufc8nd.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/244th_zpsfq2e35zc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/244th_zpsfq2e35zc.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/33_zpslu2on9ka.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/33_zpslu2on9ka.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/244th%20sentai_zpsf9apewub.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/244th%20sentai_zpsf9apewub.jpg.html)
19th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/19th_zps8pxdsns7.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/19th_zps8pxdsns7.jpg.html)
Same aircraft I have posted before another profile & better picture.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/18527394410_28ff6563c7_b_zpsscxnbcnm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/18527394410_28ff6563c7_b_zpsscxnbcnm.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/28-455dc5efa6%20a_zpscyxspfyf.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/28-455dc5efa6%20a_zpscyxspfyf.jpg.html)
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Most excellent, Lyric. :aok
Thought there was a thread about this before.
I am guessing no blue tails.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?topic=371642.0
http://www.j-aircraft.com/faq/ki61_pt2.htm#Speaking%20of%20244th%20Tails
Yeah, I figured the blue tails were false. Shame though.
Also, Seems to me that all Ki-61's had unpainted undersides. Is this correct?
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Also, Seems to me that all Ki-61's had unpainted undersides. Is this correct?
Greebo would be the one to ask on that.
I think it is as you described though.
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For much of the war most IJAAF fighters came in bare metal finish from the factory, with just the anti-glare panel and national markings painted on. Any camouflage paint on the upper surfaces was done at a depot or unit level. Around mid-1944 the IJAAF instructed factories to start painting the aircraft in an olive brown and grey scheme. This was because the homeland was coming under threat of aerial attack and there was a risk of new aircraft being attacked on the ground or as they were being delivered.
For instance Ki-43 I and IIs were built in bare metal, but the IIIs which began to arrive in 1944 were all factory painted. I suspect something similar happened with the Ki-61. Photos of Ki-61-I variants I have seen all seem to all have been bare metal while the Ki-61-II and Ki-100s appear to have factory painted schemes. I've not found a written source to confirm this though and its possible some late Ki-61-Is were factory painted as well.
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78th Sentai.
I think this is a more accurate depiction of this photo I posted before with a profile. You can see the white stripe on the horizontal stabilizer in both aircraft photos.
This link has some details about these and other aircraft of this unit.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=172282&start=75
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/ki-61_78f_ppng_zpszogplcsj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/ki-61_78f_ppng_zpszogplcsj.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61-I_OTSU_RSS_zpsdoaumkom.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61-I_OTSU_RSS_zpsdoaumkom.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61-I_OTSU_UFL_zpsnzovcaul.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61-I_OTSU_UFL_zpsnzovcaul.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61-I_OTSU_UBR_zps8rfdh1en.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61-I_OTSU_UBR_zps8rfdh1en.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/192882f4-7ac9-4ab4-a9d9-539ca9dbf2e0_zpsrdnmaczn.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/192882f4-7ac9-4ab4-a9d9-539ca9dbf2e0_zpsrdnmaczn.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/78th_zps2kaiurdt.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/78th_zps2kaiurdt.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/df9371e0-624c-41f2-a83f-c29da4088522_zpswucwgt1d.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/df9371e0-624c-41f2-a83f-c29da4088522_zpswucwgt1d.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/2135122b-1fa9-46ae-a4b3-9902b61f0ee9_zps7obt5ipd.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/2135122b-1fa9-46ae-a4b3-9902b61f0ee9_zps7obt5ipd.jpg.html)
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149th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/149th%20sentai%20a_zpshfgpxugb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/149th%20sentai%20a_zpshfgpxugb.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/58-b59c2bbfe4%20a%20c_zpsm2vft8ve.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/58-b59c2bbfe4%20a%20c_zpsm2vft8ve.jpg.html)
Another photo of this aircraft & a profile in its better day.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Untitled_zpsoemabwir.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Untitled_zpsoemabwir.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61-33_zpsulumor7n.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61-33_zpsulumor7n.jpg.html)
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Some 244th Sentai.
First two are the same aircraft.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/18710248472_19c8193475_b%2070.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/18710248472_19c8193475_b%2070.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Kawasaki_Ki-61_Hien_in_cockpit_zpstui7siye.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Kawasaki_Ki-61_Hien_in_cockpit_zpstui7siye.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/16%20ki_zpsepsxqryb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/16%20ki_zpsepsxqryb.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/18715096765_e964f0d639_b%20a_zps4klee9ip.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/18715096765_e964f0d639_b%20a_zps4klee9ip.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/376efd21a068d767de80e50e5d884fbf.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/376efd21a068d767de80e50e5d884fbf.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/b2_zpsaofdyggc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/b2_zpsaofdyggc.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61-3_zps7fuh6fec.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61-3_zps7fuh6fec.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki61-2_zpszfvq1pye.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki61-2_zpszfvq1pye.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61-4.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61-4.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61-96_zpsx8iapfxa.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61-96_zpsx8iapfxa.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61-13_zpssgqmqw0w.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61-13_zpssgqmqw0w.jpg.html)
Next 6 are the same aircraft.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/hien-88_2006-2_zpssvcglsj2.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/hien-88_2006-2_zpssvcglsj2.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/hien-88_2006-5_zpsdwrywd03.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/hien-88_2006-5_zpsdwrywd03.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/hien-88_2006-3_zps4fyuutxo.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/hien-88_2006-3_zps4fyuutxo.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/hien-88_2006-4_zpsoa64k2vz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/hien-88_2006-4_zpsoa64k2vz.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/hien-88_2006-1_zpsuypftvtw.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/hien-88_2006-1_zpsuypftvtw.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/hien-88_2009_zpsi33iixqc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/hien-88_2009_zpsi33iixqc.jpg.html)
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Could never make out the three digits on the bottom of the tail on this aircraft.
Found this profile that is most likely a match.
56th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61-70%20a_zpshejijthz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61-70%20a_zpshejijthz.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Kawasaki-Ki-61-Hien-56th-Sentai-allied-code-name-Tony-02%20a_zpsf1ipgjli.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Kawasaki-Ki-61-Hien-56th-Sentai-allied-code-name-Tony-02%20a_zpsf1ipgjli.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/am48116a%20a.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/am48116a%20a.jpg.html)
Another 19th Sentai aircraft looks like it had a rudder repair.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Kawasaki_Ki-61_Hien_with_drop_tank_zps1qztoxqk.jpeg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Kawasaki_Ki-61_Hien_with_drop_tank_zps1qztoxqk.jpeg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61_from_19_Sentai_with_drop_tanks_at_Clark_Field_1945_zpsxwkclpqz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61_from_19_Sentai_with_drop_tanks_at_Clark_Field_1945_zpsxwkclpqz.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/70b.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/70b.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/19-Sentai-sm2_zpsa9fjodqw.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/19-Sentai-sm2_zpsa9fjodqw.jpg.html)
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53rd Sentai.
This aircraft was later transferred to the 19th Sentai.
The original 53rd squadron tail art is still visible under the 19th.
You can get a two for 1 out of this aircraft if you wanted to.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/53rd_zpsgfydxnci.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/53rd_zpsgfydxnci.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/2918665285_a2e17077c8_zpsfo44nlsl.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/2918665285_a2e17077c8_zpsfo44nlsl.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/21-e364293dd3_zps5sbvu9co.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/21-e364293dd3_zps5sbvu9co.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/53rd%20a_zpsccuigoqg.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/53rd%20a_zpsccuigoqg.jpg.html)
Some more photos of this aircraft.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/ki61_hien_captd_okinawa_1945-P71100.jpgoriginal_zpssz8flrsp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/ki61_hien_captd_okinawa_1945-P71100.jpgoriginal_zpssz8flrsp.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki61-19Sentai-Okinawa-1945-107_zpsdmvdzxxe.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki61-19Sentai-Okinawa-1945-107_zpsdmvdzxxe.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61_19th_Sentai_Okinawa_1945_zpsgjowwxov.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61_19th_Sentai_Okinawa_1945_zpsgjowwxov.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Captured_Ki-61_19th_Sentai_Okinawa_1945_zpsi5dr4y5j.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Captured_Ki-61_19th_Sentai_Okinawa_1945_zpsi5dr4y5j.jpg.html)
I think on this profile the artist got his colours reversed on the tail should be red on the complete & yellow on the partial tail image. I do agree though on the different coulours on the fuselage stripes though. :aok
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/KI_zpsjn5kujij.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/KI_zpsjn5kujij.jpg.html)
Good colour reference image.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61-I%20Hien%20Tony%2010_zpsqy79cvej.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61-I%20Hien%20Tony%2010_zpsqy79cvej.jpg.html)
59th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/0a40c26e-0c30-43f1-a67d-bc33b0cf642b_zps86opjpwl.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/0a40c26e-0c30-43f1-a67d-bc33b0cf642b_zps86opjpwl.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/KI%20MOD%20A_zps6baymokm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/KI%20MOD%20A_zps6baymokm.jpg.html)
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Not a great photo it is supposed to be the tail of a ki-61?
78th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/80-65a471aaa9_zpsxf5j9mev.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/80-65a471aaa9_zpsxf5j9mev.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/157-4dfcc5c078_zpszixfbvqj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/157-4dfcc5c078_zpszixfbvqj.jpg.html)
Also not such a great photo aircraft on the left #37.
55th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/77-2673318255_zpsapfxmhsk.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/77-2673318255_zpsapfxmhsk.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/5-3dd85589de_zpst6nylgt5.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/5-3dd85589de_zpst6nylgt5.jpg.html)
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17th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/76-bffb99d171%20a_zpsa5ztlfxq.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/76-bffb99d171%20a_zpsa5ztlfxq.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/76-bffb99d171%20a_zps1j8jir29.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/76-bffb99d171%20a_zps1j8jir29.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/41-ea032f5bef%20a_zpsnb0o1wfg.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/41-ea032f5bef%20a_zpsnb0o1wfg.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/6-6a8e3c6992%20a_zpsyxsuomqd.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/6-6a8e3c6992%20a_zpsyxsuomqd.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/ki61_zps0laeh5q4.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/ki61_zps0laeh5q4.jpg.html)
Another view of this aircraft now I know where the white looking square on the rudder came from on the profiles.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img313_zpsgh3y5bnk.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img313_zpsgh3y5bnk.jpg.html)
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18th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/18th_zpsmjsultcf.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/18th_zpsmjsultcf.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/19-fc1af9d7de_zpsyc9qnxft.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/19-fc1af9d7de_zpsyc9qnxft.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/78-4afe4a9523%20qa_zpsttmtelot.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/78-4afe4a9523%20qa_zpsttmtelot.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/69-4990310912_zpstkqcnbxm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/69-4990310912_zpstkqcnbxm.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/169-4275e3c28c%20a_zpsxfv2km0h.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/169-4275e3c28c%20a_zpsxfv2km0h.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/83-bb6c92ab0e%20a_zpsw00gnzvo.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/83-bb6c92ab0e%20a_zpsw00gnzvo.jpg.html)
At some point the 18th tail markings had changed.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/18th%20sentai_zpsjkxleagf.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/18th%20sentai_zpsjkxleagf.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/35-b216b0939c_zps3tobyysc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/35-b216b0939c_zps3tobyysc.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/76-bffb99d171%2018th_zpsknhpmglp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/76-bffb99d171%2018th_zpsknhpmglp.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/37-6ba0821c33%20a_zpsq2ubwt1p.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/37-6ba0821c33%20a_zpsq2ubwt1p.jpg.html)
Another photo of some 18th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img314_zps1xgcsfuz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img314_zps1xgcsfuz.jpg.html)
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Some 244th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/16%20ki_zpsepsxqryb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/16%20ki_zpsepsxqryb.jpg.html)
Profile of the above plane.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img316_zpswqinb8vz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img316_zpswqinb8vz.jpg.html)
Another 244th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img311_zpsamiv3roe.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img311_zpsamiv3roe.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/150-49c006f62a_zpslcm6aj58.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/150-49c006f62a_zpslcm6aj58.jpg.html)
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19th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/19th%20sentai_zpst7q0qnzq.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/19th%20sentai_zpst7q0qnzq.jpg.html)
(http://http:
//i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/71_zpsdo7rezyy.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/71_zpsdo7rezyy.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61_of_the_19th_Sentai_Philippines_1945_zpspxmbswod.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61_of_the_19th_Sentai_Philippines_1945_zpspxmbswod.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/68_zpsj1mkpuiu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/68_zpsj1mkpuiu.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/68b_zpsiupab8xs.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/68b_zpsiupab8xs.jpg.html)
Another profile of this same aircraft.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/p1_zpsydiekck6.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/p1_zpsydiekck6.jpg.html)
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Another 55th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img310_zpsrrzmley0.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img310_zpsrrzmley0.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img315_zpsmtu9t8yt.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img315_zpsmtu9t8yt.jpg.html)
19th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/19%201_zpsklnpyk2n.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/19%201_zpsklnpyk2n.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img312_zpssmmnxggn.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img312_zpssmmnxggn.jpg.html)
68th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img308_zpsa8yvghxb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img308_zpsa8yvghxb.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img307_zpsaqmjvnpk.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img307_zpsaqmjvnpk.jpg.html)
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78th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61_hien_68-sentai_fin_strike_Dagua_New-guinea_1944-W-2.jpgoriginal_zpsjnyugfql.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61_hien_68-sentai_fin_strike_Dagua_New-guinea_1944-W-2.jpgoriginal_zpsjnyugfql.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/78ttmaster4_zpsqh4liusr.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/78ttmaster4_zpsqh4liusr.jpg.html)
Profile of the above aircraft.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img309_zpsilfo2bay.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img309_zpsilfo2bay.jpg.html)
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Also not such a great photo aircraft on the left #37.
55th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/77-2673318255_zpsapfxmhsk.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/77-2673318255_zpsapfxmhsk.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/5-3dd85589de_zpst6nylgt5.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/5-3dd85589de_zpst6nylgt5.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Untitled_zpsezs0dmi2.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Untitled_zpsezs0dmi2.jpg.html)
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Another 244th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img311_zpsamiv3roe.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img311_zpsamiv3roe.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/150-49c006f62a_zpslcm6aj58.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/150-49c006f62a_zpslcm6aj58.jpg.html)
More images of the same aircraft.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img323_zpsoar9rawk.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img323_zpsoar9rawk.jpg.html)
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(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/16%20ki_zpsepsxqryb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/16%20ki_zpsepsxqryb.jpg.html)
Couple more images of 244th #16.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img324_zpsaqu1qxvs.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img324_zpsaqu1qxvs.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img325_zpsgyivj68j.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img325_zpsgyivj68j.jpg.html)
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244th Sentai.
#15.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/8ee68eb0-2f03-48af-a178-63af5457f47c_zpsazfbhmtu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/8ee68eb0-2f03-48af-a178-63af5457f47c_zpsazfbhmtu.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img319_zpsrrpcrnba.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img319_zpsrrpcrnba.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img317_zpsn2knltrm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img317_zpsn2knltrm.jpg.html)
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Not a great photo it is supposed to be the tail of a ki-61?
78th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/80-65a471aaa9_zpsxf5j9mev.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/80-65a471aaa9_zpsxf5j9mev.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/157-4dfcc5c078_zpszixfbvqj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/157-4dfcc5c078_zpszixfbvqj.jpg.html)
Colour profile.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/8e562c5d-ace8-4a9a-9427-0608a592c93e_zpsht6odsol.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/8e562c5d-ace8-4a9a-9427-0608a592c93e_zpsht6odsol.jpg.html)
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78th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img329_zpsolfyhcnj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img329_zpsolfyhcnj.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img330_zpshd29jltb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img330_zpshd29jltb.jpg.html)
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Unknown Hien.
Great tail art of a Vulture grabbing the tail of another aircraft.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/43-bd8cfb44ff_zpsnmsb5wuh.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/43-bd8cfb44ff_zpsnmsb5wuh.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/799b2341-074d-4483-ad83-a2d8693d1468_zpszixftrem.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/799b2341-074d-4483-ad83-a2d8693d1468_zpszixftrem.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/0c6b28d7-b797-46eb-a66e-c287917376f4_zpsjxykwyvf.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/0c6b28d7-b797-46eb-a66e-c287917376f4_zpsjxykwyvf.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/e14ffb12-38b4-4def-a17c-e18f4c83cc7e_zpskalat9o2.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/e14ffb12-38b4-4def-a17c-e18f4c83cc7e_zpskalat9o2.jpg.html)
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There was a colour video on Youtube of this aircraft but the link is broken now.
There was a couple of screenshots I found online of it.
55th Sentai.
The red squadron tail icon has bee applied over the former unit this aircraft belonged to & that was the 56th Sentai. The first profile shows the 56th logo in yellow the photo seems to show it in white.
The second profile I think is of another aircraft or it is simply wrong.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/OkiKi-61_1_zps3lfrwjsm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/OkiKi-61_1_zps3lfrwjsm.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/OkiKi-61_2_zpszs64ea0v.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/OkiKi-61_2_zpszs64ea0v.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Untitled_zps5kjfryjm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Untitled_zps5kjfryjm.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/55th%20s_zpsx025kexm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/55th%20s_zpsx025kexm.jpg.html)
http://www.aviationofjapan.com/2009/09/jaaf-aircraft-on-okinawa-in-colour.html
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In those color photos the green has a blue value opposed to the illustrations. Did the Japanese green paint pigment composition after some time in the sun react to the UV moving into the blue value? I've seen with some of your other posts and sites I've read at that the (poor?) composition of Japanese paint was reactive to UV after a short time in the field.
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Color photography was in its infancy during WW2. Keep that in mind. Photography is a balance of exposures and stopping that exposure at a certain time limit. Not just once, but several times. You must expose the film to light, then stop before it is over or under exposed (which can change the tint and color and saturation of color film even on modern film stock). You then had to develop the film so that the areas which were hit by photons of light reacted. This involved hitting it with a chemical that made the pigments change, and at the appropriate time to stop it by rinsing that chemical away.
Improper stop baths and rinses could leave the active chemicals on the film and it could continue developing over long periods of time. This can explain some improperly-processed photos and film stock from the WW2 area where pixels "bleed" out of their original areas.
Then take those same subjective properties and time-based temperments and apply them to projecting light through the negative and onto the paper stock -- which is also light sensitive. The amount of light exposure through the film and onto the paper can change the tint, color, saturation, and contrast. Then again you must develop the paper (like film) and stop the development at the proper time -- or else it will continue to develop. Most times you see bleed-out on photograph details it's this stage (the printing) that wasn't stopped properly.
Back in WW2 they were still experimenting with chemicals to get the best most reliable development process. It was a wonderful breakthrough, but it was still in its infancy and it was not perfect. Photos could look a lot like the "real world source" or they could look nothing like it at all. Look at what simple post-processing can do to photos now -- can make them dull or bland and can make them look amazing and vibrant (even if the "real world source" was in fact dull and bland).
It is a very subjective art. There is a lot of interpretation that goes into even color photos. Like you said, what exact color is happening here? Is it like USAAF olive drab, which could weather darker or lighter depending on the environment? Or was it poor photo quality and limited reference materials available for comparison?
Even with ample photographic proof it took quite a bit of sleuthing to confirm some of the colors on my Bf109F 10/JG 2 skin.
So basically what I'm saying is you can get a general idea of things from a color ww2-era photo, but don't try to nit-pick every detail. Take it as a ballpark. If it looks blue? Well... maybe it is. Maybe it's just the 60+ years and poorly cared for and aging photos which aren't very representative. Take it all with a grain of salt and use other references (i.e. texts, spelling out paint chips, etc) to back up your decisions whenever possible.
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244th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img332_zpsph0dfq0m.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img332_zpsph0dfq0m.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img333_zpsyvwyd4ot.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img333_zpsyvwyd4ot.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/3b7221fb-a9eb-48e1-b500-de8e5315b8ae_zpsqfwrwtiv.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/3b7221fb-a9eb-48e1-b500-de8e5315b8ae_zpsqfwrwtiv.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/244th%20t_zpsviksdnyb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/244th%20t_zpsviksdnyb.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/c2681143-c39f-4090-ad16-4ce494827edf_zpsvz2at4dz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/c2681143-c39f-4090-ad16-4ce494827edf_zpsvz2at4dz.jpg.html)
For those of you who like their Hien dirty.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img335_zpsv7g3cnso.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img335_zpsv7g3cnso.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img334_zpsetjlaqbd.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img334_zpsetjlaqbd.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img336_zpsudhfazvs.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img336_zpsudhfazvs.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img337_zpsjnub1qaj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img337_zpsjnub1qaj.jpg.html)
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In those color photos the green has a blue value opposed to the illustrations. Did the Japanese green paint pigment composition after some time in the sun react to the UV moving into the blue value? I've seen with some of your other posts and sites I've read at that the (poor?) composition of Japanese paint was reactive to UV after a short time in the field.
There was also a green blue paint that was used a rudder of a Ki-84 still survives with this paint on it.
http://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?showtopic=50057&page=2
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Interesting color shift Mr. Herne did at your link, along with the explanation about different film types and the problems in determining color from using them in the wrong setting. Determining war time paint colors for Japanese aircraft seems more of an art then anything else.
So with our skins, do you go for the just paint dried color and work at weathering it 6-18 months of harsh exposure. Or do you go with the weathered color and work at making it look like the used car the photos depict?
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Get a wide sampling. Start with the technical color samples of the "pure" color. Then weather based on what you see in your samples and/or references. Tweak. Take a week off. Go back and look at it with fresh eyes. Review, tweak, repeat.
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So with our skins, do you go for the just paint dried color and work at weathering it 6-18 months of harsh exposure. Or do you go with the weathered color and work at making it look like the used car the photos depict?
The answer for me is a bit of both. Since my base paint weathering is faded patterns of black and white, I select a color that is a reasonable representation of what was likely used on the real plane as it appeared in the field. This color is selected form many online sources from both the sim and plastic modelling communities. From there I fine tune the shade to fit the look that I want the skin to have. Then comes the weathering, first the fading and texturing, then the stains and dirt and grime.
Here is a general observation on the colors seen on many of the lesser skins in this game: the colors are oversaturated. Even if their color exactly matches a sample, it will look fake in the game because it does not factor in weathering or what modellers call "scale effect". While scale effect is used on plastic models to gray-shift colors to give the illusion of the model being full scale at a distance, a gray-shift on skins helps bring the entire color palette of a skin into harmony. Many of my early skins suffer from this issue, especially with the markings.
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68TH Sentai decals that came with a book I have.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img338_zpslwcverk1.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img338_zpslwcverk1.jpg.html)
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There was a colour video on Youtube of this aircraft but the link is broken now.
There was a couple of screenshots I found online of it.
55th Sentai.
The red squadron tail icon has bee applied over the former unit this aircraft belonged to & that was the 56th Sentai. The first profile shows the 56th logo in yellow the photo seems to show it in white.
The second profile I think is of another aircraft or it is simply wrong.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/OkiKi-61_1_zps3lfrwjsm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/OkiKi-61_1_zps3lfrwjsm.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/OkiKi-61_2_zpszs64ea0v.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/OkiKi-61_2_zpszs64ea0v.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Untitled_zps5kjfryjm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Untitled_zps5kjfryjm.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/55th%20s_zpsx025kexm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/55th%20s_zpsx025kexm.jpg.html)
http://www.aviationofjapan.com/2009/09/jaaf-aircraft-on-okinawa-in-colour.html
Found the film on Youtube Japan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95ZkXPB1tg4
Also colour film of another Hien I have posted in here as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGlXFahoTrg
Tad off topic colour film KI-43.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uRyV3OrPWI
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Another 5th drilling squadron.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/ki%20q_zpsf5dtzvyz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/ki%20q_zpsf5dtzvyz.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/5th_zpsb6ojhqce.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/5th_zpsb6ojhqce.jpg.html)
Pretty close to running out of most published photos of Ki-61's with matching profiles there is actually very few photos to be had even in the Japanese magazines.
Lots of 244th Sentai left though. :aok
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Thanks for all your efforts in this thread Lyric1, great research as always.
I know Devil and FTJR are working on templates for the Ki-61. Do you guys, or anyone else working on the Ki-61 have any particular aircraft from this thread that you are intending to skin? I'm busy working on something else at the moment. However I might be able to work on a Ki-61 skin in a few weeks but don't want to duplicate anything you intend to skin.
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244th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img332_zpsph0dfq0m.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img332_zpsph0dfq0m.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img333_zpsyvwyd4ot.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img333_zpsyvwyd4ot.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/3b7221fb-a9eb-48e1-b500-de8e5315b8ae_zpsqfwrwtiv.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/3b7221fb-a9eb-48e1-b500-de8e5315b8ae_zpsqfwrwtiv.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/244th%20t_zpsviksdnyb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/244th%20t_zpsviksdnyb.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/c2681143-c39f-4090-ad16-4ce494827edf_zpsvz2at4dz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/c2681143-c39f-4090-ad16-4ce494827edf_zpsvz2at4dz.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/993995_523702247695108_360295830_n_zps0metvqfl.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/993995_523702247695108_360295830_n_zps0metvqfl.jpg.html)
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Thanks for all your efforts in this thread Lyric1, great research as always.
:aok
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68th Sentai.
This partial photo shows the aircraft on the deck of a carrier being transported there is debate as to where & when.
It is also the only known photo of this aircraft & it has a spiral pattern on the the spinner unusual for Japanese aircraft. The only other Hien I have seen with one is a 244th Sentai plane.
No profiles I have found only some modeling pictures.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61-Hien_68-Sentai_CVE-Taiyo_spiral-spinner_1943-W-1_zps90d63913.jpgoriginal_zpsklpiytuo.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61-Hien_68-Sentai_CVE-Taiyo_spiral-spinner_1943-W-1_zps90d63913.jpgoriginal_zpsklpiytuo.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/LuigiScarano25_zpstc7od6av.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/LuigiScarano25_zpstc7od6av.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/LuigiScarano21_zpsryrva71v.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/LuigiScarano21_zpsryrva71v.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/LuigiScarano23_zpsolousivm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/LuigiScarano23_zpsolousivm.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/LuigiScarano22_zpssfkkxhuc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/LuigiScarano22_zpssfkkxhuc.jpg.html)
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244th Sentai.
#15.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/8ee68eb0-2f03-48af-a178-63af5457f47c_zpsazfbhmtu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/8ee68eb0-2f03-48af-a178-63af5457f47c_zpsazfbhmtu.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img319_zpsrrpcrnba.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img319_zpsrrpcrnba.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img317_zpsn2knltrm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img317_zpsn2knltrm.jpg.html)
Another photo with the pilot.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/13166075_608233269329188_5873328579864511942_n_zpsticgsmni.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/13166075_608233269329188_5873328579864511942_n_zpsticgsmni.jpg.html)
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Couple more actual colour photos for reference purposes.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61_wreck_78-FR_Hollandia_New-Gui.jpgoriginal_zpsikwyi0tt.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61_wreck_78-FR_Hollandia_New-Gui.jpgoriginal_zpsikwyi0tt.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/13329464_10154035555411273_5910897687356281853_o_zpsryac4ahl.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/13329464_10154035555411273_5910897687356281853_o_zpsryac4ahl.jpg.html)
Bunch of good colourised images.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/10636558_1670881439843843_4293276739279326355_o_zpskfnbyhtj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/10636558_1670881439843843_4293276739279326355_o_zpskfnbyhtj.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/11811490_860771173959436_610884722053688690_n_zpsol6h0ze8.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/11811490_860771173959436_610884722053688690_n_zpsol6h0ze8.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/12669725_1206549299373269_3051331004343690522_n_zpsohipdyjc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/12669725_1206549299373269_3051331004343690522_n_zpsohipdyjc.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/tumblr_o5rv5oLym81sli2zio1_1280_zps0gq4lelz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/tumblr_o5rv5oLym81sli2zio1_1280_zps0gq4lelz.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/be1b26f3b743424193834fdfa6d7f99d_zpss8dk6xbo.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/be1b26f3b743424193834fdfa6d7f99d_zpss8dk6xbo.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/www.pinterest.com_zpsskxnxutc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/www.pinterest.com_zpsskxnxutc.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/a794a0470675405855ecd8bf6d902fb1_zpssq7f5aee.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/a794a0470675405855ecd8bf6d902fb1_zpssq7f5aee.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/632235_zpsnt0ot7do.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/632235_zpsnt0ot7do.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Kawasaki-Ki-61-Hien-airplane-2_zps6lowjt6z.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Kawasaki-Ki-61-Hien-airplane-2_zps6lowjt6z.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/13177453_1767432096867815_8588307234629732621_n_zpsqxfvlkua.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/13177453_1767432096867815_8588307234629732621_n_zpsqxfvlkua.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/11222913_10153767768669184_2004243574238918035_n_zpsxorjsbv8.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/11222913_10153767768669184_2004243574238918035_n_zpsxorjsbv8.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/tumblr_o5rv57LhbO1sli2zio1_1280_zpskgog03tc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/tumblr_o5rv57LhbO1sli2zio1_1280_zpskgog03tc.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/7c455c2a19b004990205af13b75d8ded_zpsp8knzkgk.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/7c455c2a19b004990205af13b75d8ded_zpsp8knzkgk.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/13428534_10209604717131999_8732068136182622139_n_zpstszyds6g.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/13428534_10209604717131999_8732068136182622139_n_zpstszyds6g.jpg.html)
Not much to do with skinning thought it was interesting that this Japanese fellow built an entire KI-61 instrument panel. Used former original parts & made new ones he did not have.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/IP160509TAN000092000_zpso1wmdjp5.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/IP160509TAN000092000_zpso1wmdjp5.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/13123372_1007985535988104_7652926415410359976_o_zpsgmb7f4q8.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/13123372_1007985535988104_7652926415410359976_o_zpsgmb7f4q8.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/13173329_1007984322654892_8361908458515139637_o_zpsdldf7rs3.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/13173329_1007984322654892_8361908458515139637_o_zpsdldf7rs3.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/13254742_1014050132048311_325844514924207780_o_zpsuwvveq8k.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/13254742_1014050132048311_325844514924207780_o_zpsuwvveq8k.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/13139336_1007984575988200_6860633035855714468_n_zpschcdvt21.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/13139336_1007984575988200_6860633035855714468_n_zpschcdvt21.jpg.html)
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A continuing gold mine of information, thanks Lyric :aok
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A continuing gold mine of information, thanks Lyric :aok
Thank you.
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Another photo with the pilot.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/13166075_608233269329188_5873328579864511942_n_zpsticgsmni.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/13166075_608233269329188_5873328579864511942_n_zpsticgsmni.jpg.html)
More of #15.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/album8094_zpsxy4ym6is.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/album8094_zpsxy4ym6is.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/album8093_zpsnnx8radt.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/album8093_zpsnnx8radt.jpg.html)
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Never seen the photo before.
11th training flying corps.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/11TH_zpsaly9hskj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/11TH_zpsaly9hskj.jpg.html)
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Bunch of good colourised images.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/tumblr_o5rv5oLym81sli2zio1_1280_zps0gq4lelz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/tumblr_o5rv5oLym81sli2zio1_1280_zps0gq4lelz.jpg.html)
Found another image of this aircraft.
Translation.
Tokumisao Phase 1 Yasuhiko Hiranuma Ensign 21 Unit, which is presumed (B29 2 aircraft destroyed) of the power machine. body
Rear band is present 3 (navy blue, red, navy blue?) Are wound.
This unit survive until the end of the war,
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/21%20KI_zpsguwvs1yh.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/21%20KI_zpsguwvs1yh.jpg.html)
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Never seen the photo before.
11th training flying corps.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/11TH_zpsaly9hskj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/11TH_zpsaly9hskj.jpg.html)
There is a profile for this one.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img340_zpsiuxvlvbv.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img340_zpsiuxvlvbv.jpg.html)
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Few more 244th profiles.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/5262_2004_nishikawa_zps3krk9opc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/5262_2004_nishikawa_zps3krk9opc.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/88_nishikawa_zps72xu2sio.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/88_nishikawa_zps72xu2sio.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/4424_2003_nishikawa_zpsfq8gd0fp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/4424_2003_nishikawa_zpsfq8gd0fp.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/4424_2005_nishikawa_zpszalvnnfn.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/4424_2005_nishikawa_zpszalvnnfn.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/16_shono_nishikawa_zpskh5susv0.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/16_shono_nishikawa_zpskh5susv0.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/16_nishikawa_zpsmkxoh56v.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/16_nishikawa_zpsmkxoh56v.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/4424_1912_nishikawa_zpsrieahnse.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/4424_1912_nishikawa_zpsrieahnse.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/71_nishikawa_zps1suxahvh.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/71_nishikawa_zps1suxahvh.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/29_nishikawa_zps30vwdil5.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/29_nishikawa_zps30vwdil5.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/5262_2003_nishikawa_zpsbhhuxm3m.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/5262_2003_nishikawa_zpsbhhuxm3m.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/3295_nishikawa%201_zpsdkmwjn26.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/3295_nishikawa%201_zpsdkmwjn26.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/4424_2002_nishikawa_zpsyn1x08c2.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/4424_2002_nishikawa_zpsyn1x08c2.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/14_nishikawa_zps4d9bvscd.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/14_nishikawa_zps4d9bvscd.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/5262_2002_nishikawa_zps61edt3gi.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/5262_2002_nishikawa_zps61edt3gi.jpg.html)
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244th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/18714939955_d18d69bc7a_b_zpsfjufc8nd.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/18714939955_d18d69bc7a_b_zpsfjufc8nd.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/244th_zpsfq2e35zc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/244th_zpsfq2e35zc.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/33_zpslu2on9ka.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/33_zpslu2on9ka.jpg.html)
Couple more photos of this one.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/nakano_003_zpssshlx9oe.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/nakano_003_zpssshlx9oe.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/nakano_002_zpsayzw84sn.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/nakano_002_zpsayzw84sn.jpg.html)
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Akeno flying school.
The yellow rudder is wrong its the only profile I could find on this aircraft.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/12471742_10153879115384184_3369755645454574651_o_zpsq1xxblms.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/12471742_10153879115384184_3369755645454574651_o_zpsq1xxblms.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20d_zpso4ujylu1.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20d_zpso4ujylu1.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img341_zpsehuueeex.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img341_zpsehuueeex.jpg.html)
This profile I believe is based off of the partial tail in this photo below.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20j_zpsctph1wjk.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20j_zpsctph1wjk.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/3edbf19a-fba8-46e1-8596-4f80fa8f7cec_zpsiesiwnic.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/3edbf19a-fba8-46e1-8596-4f80fa8f7cec_zpsiesiwnic.jpg.html)
Not a great photo in this image but all the books say its this aircraft in the profile.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20o_zpsb0zgiuzx.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20o_zpsb0zgiuzx.jpg.html)
More profiles of this squadron could not find matching photos.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20w_zpskadszwok.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20w_zpskadszwok.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57_zpsymzh6uf7.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57_zpsymzh6uf7.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20v_zpspumqumvo.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20v_zpspumqumvo.jpg.html)
Only photo I could find of the 105th it matches no profiles I have though.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/248093ce-16bf-42b8-a9ac-6118a7ea9da4_zps4ueqrght.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/248093ce-16bf-42b8-a9ac-6118a7ea9da4_zps4ueqrght.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20l_zpselkcykzr.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20l_zpselkcykzr.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20p_zpsyla8qj0d.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20p_zpsyla8qj0d.jpg.html)
All the rest are profiles I cant find photos for.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20q_zpsbpg0msvf.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20q_zpsbpg0msvf.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20g_zpspwacqw1j.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20g_zpspwacqw1j.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20s_zpsvqey35do.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20s_zpsvqey35do.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20b_zpsnumwek7t.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20b_zpsnumwek7t.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20t_zpsha1hekq0.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20t_zpsha1hekq0.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20m_zpsndid2jhd.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20m_zpsndid2jhd.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Untitled_zpswphqzexe.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Untitled_zpswphqzexe.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20a_zpsdtxqr7gu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20a_zpsdtxqr7gu.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20f_zps2jxiyjtf.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20f_zps2jxiyjtf.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20k_zpsay7i4tpm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20k_zpsay7i4tpm.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20c_zps3hdmskgd.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20c_zps3hdmskgd.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20e_zps2xclktxb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20e_zps2xclktxb.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20u_zpsqivmo5gp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20u_zpsqivmo5gp.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20h_zpslpnsfvjr.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20h_zpslpnsfvjr.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20i_zpss9r2txc0.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20i_zpss9r2txc0.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20n_zpscms3e8cr.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20n_zpscms3e8cr.jpg.html)
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110th.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/kama%2061_zpsmcgwfdaf.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/kama%2061_zpsmcgwfdaf.jpg.html)
165th.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/20121107000527d72_zpsgqbl9qki.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/20121107000527d72_zpsgqbl9qki.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/165sinbutai_convert_20160128231401_zpsqtpyvkdz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/165sinbutai_convert_20160128231401_zpsqtpyvkdz.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/55kuroki_zpscospuj2r.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/55kuroki_zpscospuj2r.jpg.html)
Some generic photos that don't have enough info to skin with.
56th.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/56sinbutaisuzuki_convert_20160129234726_zpskomk3sx6.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/56sinbutaisuzuki_convert_20160129234726_zpskomk3sx6.jpg.html)
Unknown.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/ki_zpsfk1mzg4j.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/ki_zpsfk1mzg4j.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/kaneko_zpswddzuf6a.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/kaneko_zpswddzuf6a.jpg.html)
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(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/55kuroki_zpscospuj2r.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/55kuroki_zpscospuj2r.jpg.html)
Interesting to note that the lower photo is too degraded to pull much detail from it, but this one has an interesting color-related detail. It could be nothing, but I'm seeing a slight difference in the shades on the canopy and the "chipping" paint around the canopy and its slide-track area, as compared to the areas between color spotches. I surmise/guess it might not be splotches painted over bare metal, but over a light grey type of paint. Just a bit of food for thought.
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Nice catch Krusty, there is definitely a tonal variation there.
However, it could also be caused by a scuffing by the canopy's lower edge on bare metal. This would cause shallow lateral scratches catching sunlight from above, and giving a lighter appearance from the point of view of the camera.
Also, it looks like the marks are two parallel lines of equal width. They seem too uniform to be from random wear. I wonder if there are a pair of rollers under the canopy that contacts the fuselage sides.
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Some other profiles I can't find images for.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img347_zpsbxf9mx6q.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img347_zpsbxf9mx6q.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img346_zps8dazy2hk.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img346_zps8dazy2hk.jpg.html)
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Nice catch Krusty, there is definitely a tonal variation there.
However, it could also be caused by a scuffing by the canopy's lower edge on bare metal. This would cause shallow lateral scratches catching sunlight from above, and giving a lighter appearance from the point of view of the camera.
Also, it looks like the marks are two parallel lines of equal width. They seem too uniform to be from random wear. I wonder if there are a pair of rollers under the canopy that contacts the fuselage sides.
True, and it could also be a color shift on the photo itself -- the top half overexposed or the bottom half left sticking out of a pile for a year so that it was exposed to UV light and faded a bit. There are other reasons, but still even if in reality it's a uniform tone and the photo is just wrong I find it interesting to note that the shade of "whatever" between the splotches is still darker than the rivet heads themselves. Usually you might see the rivet heads sans paint, and if they're bare metal, what is the area immediately around them? It's hard to tell if that's just weather-beaten metal, or some kind of clear-coat, or even a shade of gray.
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23rd Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/30ki611mz_zpscnwdytb0.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/30ki611mz_zpscnwdytb0.jpg.html)
Always thought this plane was tinkered with in regards to its meat ball on the fuselage not painted red.
Based off of the profile it never was. Nice quirk if any of you like the skins like that.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/93-23b73ea41a%20A_zps3gtrfaml.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/93-23b73ea41a%20A_zps3gtrfaml.jpg.html)
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Something in so bad a state of repair, so poorly treated, so poorly cannibalized for parts, at the end of the war? I think the burden of proof is on whether it was ever actually used for combat or not. It may have been the equivalent of a squadron hack or a training plane, or something along those lines. Or, even if it was an active combat airframe, it may have looked radically different when it was in service as compared to when it was on the ground for bored ground-crews to relieve stress by adding some camo to it so that they could strip its parts with more safety.
IMO photos like this need a LOT more context before you could assume that they were actually used in the state they appear in the photo.
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Some excellent panel line & rivet shots in this link.
http://www.asisbiz.com/PNG/Kawasaki-Ki-61-Hien.html
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56th Shinmu squadron
Same pilot same plane.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/833998751c76a5e9f7406013b4400c17_zpseoexxqpe.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/833998751c76a5e9f7406013b4400c17_zpseoexxqpe.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/2a05acb5bc1c738063ef3741d1aad046_zps6uwcrlmj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/2a05acb5bc1c738063ef3741d1aad046_zps6uwcrlmj.jpg.html)
Found a drawing of this pilot & plane on a Japanese sight.
I think the 3rd digit is a zero?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/7a1e17166d224f4a3c1ebb9e0cf790529a22d19a_zpsa3rdoco4.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/7a1e17166d224f4a3c1ebb9e0cf790529a22d19a_zpsa3rdoco4.jpg.html)
Few more profiles.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/7411_zps6hinteyf.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/7411_zps6hinteyf.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/ki_61_I_tei_home_defense_zpscqukwj7z.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/ki_61_I_tei_home_defense_zpscqukwj7z.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/7410_zpsucs0ta0c.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/7410_zpsucs0ta0c.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/ki_61_I_tei_zpshqmnlvbg.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/ki_61_I_tei_zpshqmnlvbg.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/7413_zpsn3cdxdfw.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/7413_zpsn3cdxdfw.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/AZ7408_zpsnkcy5tgv.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/AZ7408_zpsnkcy5tgv.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/7413%201_zpsdbinzs88.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/7413%201_zpsdbinzs88.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/7412_zpssqo2sq3k.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/7412_zpssqo2sq3k.jpg.html)
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I made a mistake in my first posting of this squadron all the aircraft with these tail markings are 18th drilling squadron not 18th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/78-4afe4a9523%20qa_zpsttmtelot.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/78-4afe4a9523%20qa_zpsttmtelot.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/69-4990310912_zpstkqcnbxm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/69-4990310912_zpstkqcnbxm.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/169-4275e3c28c%20a_zpsxfv2km0h.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/169-4275e3c28c%20a_zpsxfv2km0h.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/83-bb6c92ab0e%20a_zpsw00gnzvo.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/83-bb6c92ab0e%20a_zpsw00gnzvo.jpg.html)
Sorry about the mistake.
That aside this Hien pilot below probably had the most amazing career after the war he became Prime Minister of South Korea.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Sadao_Kagawa_Ki-61_zpsk3a0xivb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Sadao_Kagawa_Ki-61_zpsk3a0xivb.jpg.html)
https://translate.google.co.jp/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25E9%2587%2591%25E8%25B2%259E%25E7%2583%2588&prev=search
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ko&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.daum.net%2Fjink062%2F15670778&edit-text=
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55th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/03_zpsor2dhipk.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/03_zpsor2dhipk.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/26-2dfefb1135_zps2w1eyz6f.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/26-2dfefb1135_zps2w1eyz6f.jpg.html)
Found this drawing that shows this aircraft off the best.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/ki613_zpsthl2zp7w.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/ki613_zpsthl2zp7w.jpg.html)
Also made a mistake on this one it is not a 23rd Sentai it is a 19th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/00991_zpsjiokzooc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/00991_zpsjiokzooc.jpg.html)
Colour photos of a blown off 78th Sentai tail in the background.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/01055_zpssguqmo2j.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/01055_zpssguqmo2j.jpg.html)
Same tail on the left.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/01054_zpsru4jbc6a.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/01054_zpsru4jbc6a.jpg.html)
Another 78th wreck in colour.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-49_Army-T-100_donryu_wreck_holla_zpsbfkgh5cu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-49_Army-T-100_donryu_wreck_holla_zpsbfkgh5cu.jpg.html)
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I was looking at this link & has a few new profiles that I can match up with photos & a few I can't.
http://angelof.web.fc2.com/index.html
The artist believes there is two blue stripes in the photo?
55TH Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img348_zpscow854gx.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img348_zpscow854gx.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/hien55yataiiki_zpsky33w2kt.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/hien55yataiiki_zpsky33w2kt.jpg.html)
5th drilling squadron was it's second unit based off of the rudder. It was a 59th Sentai prior to that due to the stripe on the vertical stabilizer.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/hien5905kengun1_zpslgu8zpv4.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/hien5905kengun1_zpslgu8zpv4.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/43-bd8cfb44ff%20a_zps4f9wwqgw.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/43-bd8cfb44ff%20a_zps4f9wwqgw.jpg.html)
55th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/hien55ki61ananameierou1_zpstkmt7zrj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/hien55ki61ananameierou1_zpstkmt7zrj.jpg.html)
68th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/hien68sentaitakeutihien1_zpskhn6jozc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/hien68sentaitakeutihien1_zpskhn6jozc.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/hieny1215_zpshbajxx4c.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/hieny1215_zpshbajxx4c.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61_hien_68-sentai_strike_Dagua_New-guinea_1944-W-2.jpgoriginal_zps45hrfvrz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61_hien_68-sentai_strike_Dagua_New-guinea_1944-W-2.jpgoriginal_zps45hrfvrz.jpg.html)
244th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/hien24421a1_zpsgcjjatsj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/hien24421a1_zpsgcjjatsj.jpg.html)
After looking at the above profile I looked at a photo I have of this aircraft & there is B-29 kill markings on it.
Also looks like the artist didn't have the two rear views to match his profile that I do.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img349_zpscyqbuxcr.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img349_zpscyqbuxcr.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/d471bc59-d5b2-40a3-93e9-15cc127e5ad0_zpsiyebnuzx.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/d471bc59-d5b2-40a3-93e9-15cc127e5ad0_zpsiyebnuzx.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/21%20KI_zpsguwvs1yh.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/21%20KI_zpsguwvs1yh.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img350_zpsukblhkul.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img350_zpsukblhkul.jpg.html)
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I was looking at this link & has a few new profiles that I can match up with photos & a few I can't.
http://angelof.web.fc2.com/index.html
The artist believes there is two blue stripes in the photo?
55TH Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img348_zpscow854gx.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img348_zpscow854gx.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/hien55yataiiki_zpsky33w2kt.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/hien55yataiiki_zpsky33w2kt.jpg.html)
I'm not seeing any stripes, Also, the spinner seems to be the same color as the rest of the plane.
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I'm not seeing any stripes, Also, the spinner seems to be the same color as the rest of the plane.
The photo in the book has an inkling of what the artists describes. After scanning it it's not quite so obvious.
Here is the translated text from the link.
This is also a famous picture from before, and the letter of "arrow" surrounded with zero in a tail assembly is drawn.
There is a fuselage of a flight 55th squadron with blue areas for a body.
This letter of "arrow" is an initial of a flying corps chief Yano Takehumi captain of the said corps, and if it's Yano machine, the said machine is being talked about.
But another fuselage which drew the letter of "arrow" which (isn't surrounded by a tail assembly with zero) as expected comes out in left of the said machine....
Did this choose more than one machines with the good condition for now until a leader machine was fixed?..
Moreover though it's indistinct, a body of this machine seems to have two thick blue areas. A mysterious thing.
August 20, 2015
Information, supervision, explanation and Mr. MARU
Taking pictures and ta.gucci
He is talking about the other aircraft below in the photo as well as the two striped one.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/55th%20sentai_zpsm0qqx3bf.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/55th%20sentai_zpsm0qqx3bf.jpg.html)
Personally I think its just the way the light is reflecting off the aircraft giving the impression of two stripes.
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Another 23rd Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/8c6331c4-c2c1-4c8b-ae98-710bd0e28c0f_zpsfo70pqqt.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/8c6331c4-c2c1-4c8b-ae98-710bd0e28c0f_zpsfo70pqqt.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/10358753n_zpsrowh4kqt.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/10358753n_zpsrowh4kqt.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Untitled%20ki%20decal_zpse4v8wewl.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Untitled%20ki%20decal_zpse4v8wewl.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Untitled%20ki%20decal%20a_zpssrgoyx20.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Untitled%20ki%20decal%20a_zpssrgoyx20.jpg.html)
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55th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/hien55ki61ananameierou1_zpstkmt7zrj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/hien55ki61ananameierou1_zpstkmt7zrj.jpg.html)
I do have a photo of this one.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img351_zpsnjssdkf2.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img351_zpsnjssdkf2.jpg.html)
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55th Sentai.
The second profile I think is of another aircraft or it is simply wrong.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/55th%20s_zpsx025kexm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/55th%20s_zpsx025kexm.jpg.html)
It is another aircraft.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/leak8_zps6g1qliv3.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/leak8_zps6g1qliv3.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/leak7_zpsa0xocttz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/leak7_zpsa0xocttz.jpg.html)
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Couple of new photos I found.
Already have other pictures of this one.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/rowan38_zpsqb01zkfy.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/rowan38_zpsqb01zkfy.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/juntitled175_zpssn8sgnt1.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/juntitled175_zpssn8sgnt1.jpg.html)
Two more of the same squadron different aircraft I think from my previous posts.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/KawasakiKi-61Tonypicturedatanunidentifiedairfield1945_zps9a5d4e30_jpgoriginal_zpsxqbn3ujo.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/KawasakiKi-61Tonypicturedatanunidentifiedairfield1945_zps9a5d4e30_jpgoriginal_zpsxqbn3ujo.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/s-l1600okinawa_zpszcroyry1.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/s-l1600okinawa_zpszcroyry1.jpg.html)
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After looking at this aircraft some more I have come to the conclusion it is one & the same in all these photos. As well as the video.
The former squadron logo on the right side of the tail is white as seen in the video. The left side former squadron logo however looks a little dark for white so the profile showing yellow seems to be correct. :aok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95ZkXPB1tg4
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/leak8_zps6g1qliv3.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/leak8_zps6g1qliv3.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/KF_1974_03_058_zpskjztgzpm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/KF_1974_03_058_zpskjztgzpm.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/OkiKi-61_2_zpszs64ea0v.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/OkiKi-61_2_zpszs64ea0v.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/OkiKi-61_1_zps3lfrwjsm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/OkiKi-61_1_zps3lfrwjsm.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/leak7_zpsa0xocttz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/leak7_zpsa0xocttz.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/168-9fd0ce0626%20a_zpskgg28xka.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/168-9fd0ce0626%20a_zpskgg28xka.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/259ce4be-65b3-482f-a798-f77a8b3bded3_zpstlkd1rli.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/259ce4be-65b3-482f-a798-f77a8b3bded3_zpstlkd1rli.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Untitled_zps5kjfryjm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Untitled_zps5kjfryjm.jpg.html)
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Found a profile & a wrecked 68th Sentai image that seems to be in the ball park.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img356_zpstphjcpoc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img356_zpstphjcpoc.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-46_dinah_Ki-61_hien_Vunakanau_19_zpsyknsm44p.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-46_dinah_Ki-61_hien_Vunakanau_19_zpsyknsm44p.jpg.html)
Also this image is just slightly larger than the previous version I have posted. It shows a little more of the tail showing clearly a 68th Sentai tail marking.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61_Hien_68-sentai_Vunakanau_1943_zpsxoeluzox.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61_Hien_68-sentai_Vunakanau_1943_zpsxoeluzox.jpg.html)
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Cant find any photos that confirm these two profiles of KI-61-II's. The image below is the only one I have that does show a number under the tail not very clear though.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61-II20a_zpsa3ipgnkt.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61-II20a_zpsa3ipgnkt.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61-II20Kai__zpsjsonpxid.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61-II20Kai__zpsjsonpxid.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/1-Ki-61-II-Kai-56-Sentai-prototype-Itami-Osaka-Japan-May-1945-01_zpsx9359txb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/1-Ki-61-II-Kai-56-Sentai-prototype-Itami-Osaka-Japan-May-1945-01_zpsx9359txb.jpg.html)
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I just bet you have a hard drive full of Ki100 photos chafing at the bit to get on these pages...... :lol
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I just bet you have a hard drive full of Ki100 photos chafing at the bit to get on these pages...... :lol
Not really very few were made.
Enough to fill AHIII skin roster though if I was to take a guess. :D
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Makes me wonder how many Ki-67's you have for when she gets redone. :)
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Makes me wonder how many Ki-67's you have for when she gets redone. :)
Even less but I have a very special few that will be different to the norm.
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A slightly larger view of the aircraft tail than a previous cropped view of the same photo.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Bez20naacutezvu-1_zps9at563by.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Bez20naacutezvu-1_zps9at563by.jpg.html)
Another 244th Sentai photo I have not seen before.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/KF_1993_06_057_zpsvbewfgvu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/KF_1993_06_057_zpsvbewfgvu.jpg.html)
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A slightly larger view of the aircraft tail than a previous cropped view of the same photo.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Bez20naacutezvu-1_zps9at563by.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Bez20naacutezvu-1_zps9at563by.jpg.html)
Another 244th Sentai photo I have not seen before.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/KF_1993_06_057_zpsvbewfgvu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/KF_1993_06_057_zpsvbewfgvu.jpg.html)
Some profiles of two of the above aircraft as well as a few others.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img357_zpsz8iwhoc0.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img357_zpsz8iwhoc0.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img358_zpsdsgaoc2q.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img358_zpsdsgaoc2q.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/_57_zpsvrwywxme.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/_57_zpsvrwywxme.jpg.html)
Kill marking image off a KI-61.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/13173805_608216159330899_1736508457890510288_n_zpsqjivrdjw.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/13173805_608216159330899_1736508457890510288_n_zpsqjivrdjw.jpg.html)
Larger colour image I have posted before.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/13123056_789974127806549_5716929101572832127_o_zpsnv4l01xw.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/13123056_789974127806549_5716929101572832127_o_zpsnv4l01xw.jpg.html)
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Another image of white #15 244th.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/13173053_1032883963415308_5472104036951675609_o_zpsygbupmfo.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/13173053_1032883963415308_5472104036951675609_o_zpsygbupmfo.jpg.html)
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Left this one till last for it is the most controversial.
It's hard to argue the merits of someone who was there & hand drew the sketch as well as taking the photograph below.
However a number of sites have taken issue with it & they make some good points. Interesting side note even though a US serviceman explained in detail the aircraft's appearance not one profile I can find has it drawn per the description. If the links below are correct & it was used only as a ramming aircraft for B-29's then based off the rules on skins it is out.
http://arawasi-wildeagles.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2015-09-15T20:01:00%2B09:00&max-results=10&start=77&by-date=false
I am going with this link an eagle is on the side.
http://www.j-aircraft.org/smf/index.php?topic=16362.msg115221#msg115221
Since we do have two aircraft from this squadron with fuselage artwork I believe we can rule out US servicemen with paint cans with no time on their hands repainting Japanese aircraft for fun. Never bought into that theory. I am sure some officer would have taken issue with an American soldier drawing Japanese aircraft attacking US war ships.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-100-69_zpshneqt9as.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-100-69_zpshneqt9as.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/a0f4d40320f77d60_zpsmmowhpbp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/a0f4d40320f77d60_zpsmmowhpbp.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/ki-61.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/ki-61.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/ki-611.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/ki-611.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/clover%20ki_zpsdfxplqae.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/clover%20ki_zpsdfxplqae.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/7216703_zpsexkyxxo9.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/7216703_zpsexkyxxo9.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/ki%2061_zpsx9tdlwtt.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/ki%2061_zpsx9tdlwtt.jpg.html)
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Lyric, you've got a lot of reference material, but I think you need to be a little more picky with what you put up. A lot of it is wrecked aircraft out of context, non-combat cannibalized airframes, and situations where you really can't make any reasonable (reasonable, mind you - not saying it has to be absolutely clear) assumption that it was a combat aircraft.
Case in point...
The clover has been pretty well debunked at this point. It didn't exist in the Japanese Culture, so they wouldn't have painted it on their aircraft.
One of the better write-ups I've found on this (many many MANY years back -- we've even discussed it on these forums a few times) sums it up as such:
(original link long gone, using archived copy/paste)
Posted By: Don Marsh <marsh44@fuse.net>
Date: Thursday, 12 October 2000, at 11:47 a.m.
There is only one photo of this very curiously marked Ki 61 (read below). I will send you a scan. Also, here is a copy of a posting I made here on the j-aircraft
army board back in June of 1999 regarding the markings of this bird...
Many of you are familiar with the existence of one particular Ki 61 aircraft found at Chofu AB; described as a "chocolate bar" brown Tony with white combat stripe & insignia of the 244th Sentai and displaying a large "kelly-green shamrock" on both sides of the fuselage. At issue is the shamrock.
It is my contention that this graphic is not a shamrock [genus trifolium], but is in fact katabami (wood sorrel) [genus oxalis]. Although this plant produces a small five-petaled flower, emblems using this plant as a motif are almost always based on the three-petaled leaf. To western sensibilities this design could easily be mistaken for a three-leaf clover. Wood sorrel was used to make medicinal salves and also to polish bronze mirrors, hence it was also known as kagamigusa (mirror plant). Wood sorrel is almost always portrayed with sword blade devices as part of the design, either appearing tiny and integrated into the central base of the leaf or in larger format between each leaf or both. When appearing with swords separating the leaves, it is called ken katabami (Wood sorrel with swords).
Known as a military crest, Katabami was a common & popular crest with the warrior class, especially in the form of ken-katabami. It is commonly found on weapons, armor etc. of samurai dating back to the Kamakura period (1185-1333).
To my knowledge there is only one photo of this a/c (see: Broken Wings of the Samurai, pg 79 or FAoW #17, pg 82). If this is the only photographic representation of the alleged "shamrock," the angle of the a/c is so oblique that there isn't enough information to do an accurate or authentic representation of this tri-leafed subject. Even Mr. Nohara's excellent art is rough conjecture. One may only say that the a/c had something that looked like a shamrock to westerners (or katabami to a WWII era Nihon-jin?) painted on the fuselage and refer to the photo for approximate scale and location.
There is no explicable rationale for a shamrock to have been displayed on the side of a Japanese aircraft and historians have found this curious since noted in 1945. It is even less likely that this rather un-Japanese symbol would have been employed at such a time of extreme nationalism. Using this same rationale, the historic & culturally popular military image of katabami becomes obvious, especially in regard to a 20th century samurai pilot employing an 800 year old Japanese tradition.
This is an important issue, not just for the purpose of proper historic identification, but to better understand the culture of the time and spirit of the people. It also serves to restore the pilot of this a/c to his heritage, tradition and military lineage rather than project the likely erroneous scenario that he was "borrowing" a european device.
EDIT: Examples of a ken katabami:
(http://rlv.zcache.co.nz/maru_ni_katabami_round_sticker-r80e27bc34cf5485f852207302312175b_v9waf_8byvr_512.jpg)
(https://www.tozandoshop.com/v/vspfiles/kamon/katabami8.gif)
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Lyric,
This post is just to get us Ki61 dingy isn't it...... :O
(https://s20.postimg.org/c2jdhbo25/Ki6102.jpg)
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Lyric, you've got a lot of reference material, but I think you need to be a little more picky with what you put up. A lot of it is wrecked aircraft out of context, non-combat cannibalized airframes, and situations where you really can't make any reasonable (reasonable, mind you - not saying it has to be absolutely clear) assumption that it was a combat aircraft.
Case in point...
The clover has been pretty well debunked at this point. It didn't exist in the Japanese Culture, so they wouldn't have painted it on their aircraft.
One of the better write-ups I've found on this (many many MANY years back -- we've even discussed it on these forums a few times) sums it up as such:
(original link long gone, using archived copy/paste)
EDIT: Examples of a ken katabami:
(http://rlv.zcache.co.nz/maru_ni_katabami_round_sticker-r80e27bc34cf5485f852207302312175b_v9waf_8byvr_512.jpg)
(https://www.tozandoshop.com/v/vspfiles/kamon/katabami8.gif)
We have had this conversation on the clover leaf before on the forums as you have pointed out. I don't dispute the findings on the Japanese plant versus clover. One of the links I posted has the same findings. I guess I didn't explain my self enough in my other post. What I am saying now there is no plant leaf on the plane but a Raptor carrying a bomb. I have changed my mind from my previous postings in other threads about this aircraft.
Some how at some point something is askew with the photo & the drawing & the description of what the author did or didn't do is at question. Because he took the photo he drew the sketch & he wrote the description in his book that he published. He is long dead so we will never know. It was a ramming aircraft so it should not be done as a skin per the rules. I only posted it because at some point some one will want it done. Buyer beware is all I can say on the choice of this one as a skin.
Now as far as what aircraft did or didn't see combat.
Really?
Yes there is a number of wrecked & scavenged air frames but how did they get that way. Oh yeah allied pilots bombed and strafed the hell out of Japanese airfields. Did all of them take off & get into combat???
Doubt it.
Did they sit on the ground and get attacked???
Yes.
So they kind of were in a form of combat in my book. Were the Japanese running out of resources & out of desperation picked over the leftovers to piece a viable fighter together again sure.
The vast majority of every profile I have in this thread has no substantiating facts to prove they ever flew combat. Even kill markings that where placed on Japanese fighters towards wars end were done to just help with morale within the squadrons in some cases. So they are not entirely a reliable method either to confirm combat missions.
All I am doing is throwing viable options on the table for the skinners to choose from. Most documented information by the Japanese simply is not there to be found & language is a barrier that I can sort of work around on the internet. Published books not so easy to translate. Found one link in Japan where the Kamikaze pilots if they wanted could take the wife along for the ride!! Some of them did. :O Hows that for devotion. If they want to skin Kamikaze aircraft that's their choice there is plenty of them in this thread.
Since a few of them are also in game I kind of wonder if that rule is even enforced.
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I think a distinction needs to be made between aircraft ramming aircraft and aircraft ramming ships. The 244th had a ramming squadron but it was not a Kamikaze outfit. The pilots were given parachutes and used them on occasion. The 244th's group commander undertook and survived at least one successful ramming attack on a B-29, he reckoned you had to "land" your aircraft on the other one rather than plough right through it. Also the German and Soviet air forces employed similar tactics when things got desperate and I don't see any ban on ramming FW 190s. You could make a case that ramming Ki-61s had their guns and armour stripped out to save weight and so were technically not the same type of aircraft being skinned but I don't think there is any moral issue here.
As far as true Kamikaze aircraft go I wasn't aware there was an actual HTC rule about it, like with swastikas. In the past Japanese players have expressed reservations about having such skins in the game so most skinners have just refrained from doing them.
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Here is my issue with the Clover scheme as far as our game goes:
Fact#1: the aircraft did not appear as depicted in illustrations.
Fact#2: the fictional scheme in the illustrations is striking.
I think that as far as Greebo, Krusty and I am are concerned, the schemes a no-go because of Fact #1.
But will that stop another skinner in the future from doing it, and will HTC catch it during submission and reject it?
If the Clover makes it into the game it will likely be the most used skin for the Tony regardless of quality of the skin work itself.
to me, in general, a bad skin of an accurate scheme is equally bad as an inaccurate scheme done well. So I see a potential double-whammy should somebody attempt to skin it and slip it past HTC.
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If you guys have to submit a photo along with your color profiles as sources to Skuzzy, wouldn't he reject any out of hand that he could not verify from to what you skinned?
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Bustr, There are photos of the nose of the clover scheme, but nothing that clearly shows what the marking ahead of the meatball. very rarely is there a single photo of a plane that shows all the distinguishing features of a particular plane. The skin submission only allows for 2 reference photos - which are not mandatory for submission. Also, submitted reference can be an artist's profiles. So there is no hard and fast rule regarding reference and the current system would allow for the Clover scheme to slip though. Even I have submitted skins with only artist profiles for reference,
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Also, Seems to me that all Ki-61's had unpainted undersides. Is this correct?
Interesting to note that the lower photo is too degraded to pull much detail from it, but this one has an interesting color-related detail. It could be nothing, but I'm seeing a slight difference in the shades on the canopy and the "chipping" paint around the canopy and its slide-track area, as compared to the areas between color spotches. I surmise/guess it might not be splotches painted over bare metal, but over a light grey type of paint. Just a bit of food for thought.
Genuine Kawasaki painted KI-61-1 parts not the the -II looks like they did paint the under sides.
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.yahoo.co.jp%2Fd0440me%2F33659884.html&edit-text=&act=url
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Thanks for posting the link Lyric1, its very interesting. To me those parts look to be corroded bare metal with dark green paint on the outside and green/brown shade on the inside surfaces. You can see the rivets showing on the unpainted external surfaces. The text translation is discussing whether the dark green paint was factory or field-applied.
This link is very useful I've just started revising my default Ki-61 skin. Now I can view it in-game I can see some things I want to change on it. One thing is the shade of green I used for the camouflage was too light and the new colour I have found is a lot closer to the one on those arts. Also I am changing the cockpit, gear bay colour to match the shade Waffle used on the cockpit art and this is also closer to the interior colour used on these parts.
I think its possible some Ki-61s may have had a base light grey colour applied in the field, either just on top or all over, prior to the dark green camo being applied but that bare metal was the factory finish.
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Thanks for posting the link Lyric1, its very interesting. To me those parts look to be corroded bare metal with dark green paint on the outside and green/brown shade on the inside surfaces. You can see the rivets showing on the unpainted external surfaces. The text translation is discussing whether the dark green paint was factory or field-applied.
This link is very useful I've just started revising my default Ki-61 skin. Now I can view it in-game I can see some things I want to change on it. One thing is the shade of green I used for the camouflage was too light and the new colour I have found is a lot closer to the one on those arts. Also I am changing the cockpit, gear bay colour to match the shade Waffle used on the cockpit art and this is also closer to the interior colour used on these parts.
I think its possible some Ki-61s may have had a base light grey colour applied in the field, either just on top or all over, prior to the dark green camo being applied but that bare metal was the factory finish.
Corrosion on aluminium does not look like that. If it were corroded aluminium, is would have rough splotches of a pale gray color lighter than the uncorroded aluminium.
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Corrosion on aluminium does not look like that. If it were corroded aluminium, is would have rough splotches of a pale gray color lighter than the uncorroded aluminium.
If we assume the underneath of the cowl is light grey paint rather than bare metal the dark scratches and blotches on this area could be more dark green paint showing through an over-painted light grey coat. It is unusual to paint a light colour over the top of a dark one though and the scratches/blotches look too dark to be primer. Also the dark green areas of the cowl are heavily scratched showing the bare metal but there doesn't seem to be any similarly scratched bare metal areas on the light grey paint. It also seems odd the rivets are all uniformly darker on the light grey area. Perhaps one of our Japanese players could find out more regarding these Ki-61 parts?
I have never been able to find any conclusive original source on how Ki-61s were painted during the war. Ki-43s were bare metal from the factory until the Ki-43-III which was olive/grey and I assumed the same applied to other single-engine IJAAF fighters; i.e Ki-61-I bare metal and Ki-61-II and Ki-100 olive/grey. Most other secondary sources like modelling forums seem to hold this opinion as well but I have yet to see anyone quote an original source like an IJAAF paint order or a USAAF technical report.
There is a Kagero book on the Ki-61 that's out of print but I can get hold of for a price. I might order it to see what it has to say on the matter.
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There is a Kagero book on the Ki-61 that's out of print but I can get hold of for a price. I might order it to see what it has to say on the matter.
I have it.
Will read up on it again.
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If we assume the underneath of the cowl is light grey paint rather than bare metal the dark scratches and blotches on this area could be more dark green paint showing through an over-painted light grey coat. It is unusual to paint a light colour over the top of a dark one though and the scratches/blotches look too dark to be primer. Also the dark green areas of the cowl are heavily scratched showing the bare metal but there doesn't seem to be any similarly scratched bare metal areas on the light grey paint. It also seems odd the rivets are all uniformly darker on the light grey area. Perhaps one of our Japanese players could find out more regarding these Ki-61 parts?
My take on the engine cowl is this.
We have two colours on the external areas of the engine cowl in my opinion.
Looking at the external areas of the cowl I don't see any deep scratches that have penetrated to the bare metal at all. On the internal portions of the cowl we now have a third colour painted. When you look at the inside portions of the cowl there is a number of areas where the paint is missing. None of those bare metal areas on the back of the cowl look anything like the front portion of the cowling. They seem to match the bare metal areas of the spinner though. The spinner is of course dark green & you can see the brown looking primer in places.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Untitled%20%20%20vvvvvvvv_zpsoqsco2xn.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Untitled%20%20%20vvvvvvvv_zpsoqsco2xn.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Untitled%20vvvvv_zpslbthfnpw.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Untitled%20vvvvv_zpslbthfnpw.jpg.html)
I agree with you Greebo it would be strange to paint a light colour over a dark one.
I think that is what we have though.
When I zoom the rivets up large I see a light grey colour on all of them that matches the light grey areas surrounding them. Where the scratches have penetrated the light grey we have the same dark green again. The scratches on the sides on the green painted areas don't look to be deep enough to get to bare metal & look also to be light grey under the green. Also the green areas look to have some brush strokes where the demarcation line is on the light grey that are better seen on the second image down.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Untitled%20vvvv_zps6ak3riqd.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Untitled%20vvvv_zps6ak3riqd.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Untitled%20vv_zpslsorogvw.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Untitled%20vv_zpslsorogvw.jpg.html)
My best guess is we have one base coat of a green paint on all of the exterior of the cowl. Then a 2nd coat of light grey on all of the exterior of the cowling. Then a portion of hand painted third coat along the demarcation line on the sides of the cowling because they did not use tape.
Edit:
Here is a good shot of bare metal on the front portion of the cowl.
A line of rivets missing paint altogether except the one in the middle.
The middle one shows the light gray around its edges and its top has the green. :aok
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Untitled%20vvvvvvv_zps34aaluew.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Untitled%20vvvvvvv_zps34aaluew.jpg.html)
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I have the book "Fighters of the Imperial Japanese Army" which lists unit markings (tail codes etc) for the individual Sentais and Chutais of the IJAAF and how they changed throughout the war. It generally avoids talking about how specific types of aircraft were painted in the factory but there is one reference to the 68th Sentai's Ki-61s in which it states:-
"The majority of the Hien were camouflaged in grey, or were a metallic colour with green mottling. Mottling was the camouflage system painted by the ground staff over grey or directly onto the metal itself, with which the mother country machines were treated."
So if this is correct then the Ki-61s from the mother country could have either a light grey base or a bare metal one. In which case I guess we will just have to interpret the photos we have and make a judgement call.
If the museum parts were painted green with an over-paint of light grey on the lower surfaces the question is were a large number of dark green Ki-61s painted that way in the factory. It looks a bit too crudely done to be a factory finish to me. If this is a field-applied scheme then other dark green Ki-61s could be green over either light grey or bare metal undersides.
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I have it.
Will read up on it again.
This is all of it in the book.
Text is not a match to the photo of the cowl or the spinner.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img375_zpsxa4vkvgc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img375_zpsxa4vkvgc.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img376_zpsjcrgjjom.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img376_zpsjcrgjjom.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img377_zpskp1lce2o.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img377_zpskp1lce2o.jpg.html)
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"The majority of the Hien were camouflaged in grey, or were a metallic colour with green mottling. Mottling was the camouflage system painted by the ground staff over grey or directly onto the metal itself, with which the mother country machines were treated."
We can certainly prove the metallic version with the colour photos within this thread.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/13329464_10154035555411273_5910897687356281853_o_zpsryac4ahl.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/13329464_10154035555411273_5910897687356281853_o_zpsryac4ahl.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/00991_zpsjiokzooc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/00991_zpsjiokzooc.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61_wreck_78-FR_Hollandia_New-Gui.jpgoriginal_zpsikwyi0tt.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61_wreck_78-FR_Hollandia_New-Gui.jpgoriginal_zpsikwyi0tt.jpg.html)
Now the best colour image I have of a solid colour is this one below.
In the image the remaining metal frame of the rudder is clearly bare metal.
So what is the underside of the fuselage?
Its clearly not the same as the bare metal frame of the rudder.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61-I%20Hien%20Tony%2010_zpsqy79cvej.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61-I%20Hien%20Tony%2010_zpsqy79cvej.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61-I%20Hien%20Tony%2010_zpsqy79cvej.jpgoriginal_zpsn81b3vkk.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61-I%20Hien%20Tony%2010_zpsqy79cvej.jpgoriginal_zpsn81b3vkk.jpg.html)
Looks like a light grey to me?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/56930f59-6f2d-415e-bec9-3bd68f78329c_zpszzgw2drs.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/56930f59-6f2d-415e-bec9-3bd68f78329c_zpszzgw2drs.jpg.html)
You have seen this image before Greebo but for the rest of you here is a wrecked colour image of a KI-43.
It looks to have a light grey base as well then over sprayed with the green as described in the post by Greebo.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/45e95253b39c603b81e588581293261c_zpsyukxqa8r.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/45e95253b39c603b81e588581293261c_zpsyukxqa8r.jpg.html)
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Found a drawing of this pilot & plane on a Japanese sight.
I think the 3rd digit is a zero?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/7a1e17166d224f4a3c1ebb9e0cf790529a22d19a_zpsa3rdoco4.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/7a1e17166d224f4a3c1ebb9e0cf790529a22d19a_zpsa3rdoco4.jpg.html)
Model of the same aircraft showing the full number.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/2863557-image2_zpsfth6vzhl.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/2863557-image2_zpsfth6vzhl.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/2863557-image0_zpsqwe76bsm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/2863557-image0_zpsqwe76bsm.jpg.html)
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Here's a link (https://www.asisbiz.com/PNG/Kawasaki-Ki-61-Hien.html) to some photos and description of the remains of a 78th Sentai Ki-61-I Otsu recovered from New Guinea. Apparently this was a late 1943 production aircraft in a bare metal finish.
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Ki-61 production line. Looks like bare metal with the Hinomaru markings applied.
(http://www.j-hangarspace.jp/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/hienprodlinepic-kakamigaharadisplay.jpg)
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Ki-61 production line. Looks like bare metal with the Hinomaru markings applied.
(http://www.j-hangarspace.jp/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/hienprodlinepic-kakamigaharadisplay.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/aae0b79a-47a4-4fbf-a607-6203c1dffe8d_zpsknsnpmrp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/aae0b79a-47a4-4fbf-a607-6203c1dffe8d_zpsknsnpmrp.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/174191f8-3c96-4442-880b-e3896debb849_zpsa4omxjw0.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/174191f8-3c96-4442-880b-e3896debb849_zpsa4omxjw0.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img379_zpsuee9jgeu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img379_zpsuee9jgeu.jpg.html)
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Now the best colour image I have of a solid colour is this one below.
In the image the remaining metal frame of the rudder is clearly bare metal.
So what is the underside of the fuselage?
Its clearly not the same as the bare metal frame of the rudder.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61-I%20Hien%20Tony%2010_zpsqy79cvej.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61-I%20Hien%20Tony%2010_zpsqy79cvej.jpg.html)
Looks like a light grey to me?
It could be light grey although another interpretation is that the darker colour is mud on the bottom of the fuselage. It looks like there is some mud covering the bottom of the white stripe too. The angle is right for some reflection from the earth patch on the ground too.
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Found some more photos of these parts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjuU1DZ9m7I
http://dansa.minim.ne.jp/a4413-34-KakamigaharaMuseumHien.htm
http://ameblo.jp/satsukimasu-minamif/theme-10087040348.html
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/a4413-34-KakamigaharaMuseum-Hien%204_zps8xogiiaj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/a4413-34-KakamigaharaMuseum-Hien%204_zps8xogiiaj.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/a4413-34-KakamigaharaMuseum-Hien%203_zpsphqbdgmu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/a4413-34-KakamigaharaMuseum-Hien%203_zpsphqbdgmu.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/a4413-34-KakamigaharaMuseum-Hien%205_zps9df02jx3.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/a4413-34-KakamigaharaMuseum-Hien%205_zps9df02jx3.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/a4413-34-KakamigaharaMuseum-Hien%206_zpszoijvs0b.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/a4413-34-KakamigaharaMuseum-Hien%206_zpszoijvs0b.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/a4413-34-KakamigaharaMuseum-Hien%202_zps6dwgod27.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/a4413-34-KakamigaharaMuseum-Hien%202_zps6dwgod27.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/a4413-34-KakamigaharaMuseum-Hien%201_zpsvqllliff.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/a4413-34-KakamigaharaMuseum-Hien%201_zpsvqllliff.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/hqdefault_zps1lv6dix9.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/hqdefault_zps1lv6dix9.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/o0600039813120403557_zpsw6wz6ls1.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/o0600039813120403557_zpsw6wz6ls1.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/o0600039813120403558_zpsytyervzy.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/o0600039813120403558_zpsytyervzy.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/a4413-34-Kakamigahara70-201508-Tanaka%202_zpsokiqimja.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/a4413-34-Kakamigahara70-201508-Tanaka%202_zpsokiqimja.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/a4413-34-Kakamigahara70-201508-Tanaka%201_zpsrqsqhz4y.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/a4413-34-Kakamigahara70-201508-Tanaka%201_zpsrqsqhz4y.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/a4413-34-Kakamigahara70-201508-Tanaka%203_zps10dd9y0f.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/a4413-34-Kakamigahara70-201508-Tanaka%203_zps10dd9y0f.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/o0600039813120403559_zpsjnmxg3go.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/o0600039813120403559_zpsjnmxg3go.jpg.html)
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Couple of new photos I found.
Already have other pictures of this one.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/rowan38_zpsqb01zkfy.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/rowan38_zpsqb01zkfy.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/juntitled175_zpssn8sgnt1.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/juntitled175_zpssn8sgnt1.jpg.html)
Couple more photos I found.
The Spinner looks to be divided in half with another colour.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/13737605_10154119628426273_3580459739104283769_o_zpsx09fjpto.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/13737605_10154119628426273_3580459739104283769_o_zpsx09fjpto.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/13725059_10154119628431273_1139155319544447026_o_zpshpxr7d9k.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/13725059_10154119628431273_1139155319544447026_o_zpshpxr7d9k.jpg.html)
Interesting 244th Sentai bird. Looks to have a light grey base on the entire fuselage & some camo blotches under the nose.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/13615101_1070285259675178_1688773387425636397_n_zpst5sxvecr.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/13615101_1070285259675178_1688773387425636397_n_zpst5sxvecr.jpg.html)
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Thanks Lyric1, these new photos are handy as the 19th Sentai aircraft is going to be the subject of my next skin. It's unusual to have such a wide selection of fairly good quality photos for an aircraft, let alone a Japanese one.
Looking through them I have spotted something about this aircraft which is unusual. The top two photos below are unique in that they show the RH fuselage (the bottom one is reversed and actually shows the LH fuselage like all the other photos). What I have noticed is the RH group tail marking appears to be lighter than the Hinomaru while the LH tail marking is the same shade. I am wondering if this was the group commander's aircraft and he had a yellow squadron marking on his RH tail and a red marking on the LH side. If the spinner was also two tone (red/yellow?) this would reinforce that. The number "0" on the tail and the twin fuselage bands also seems to point to a group commander's aircraft.
The other question I have been mulling over is grey or NMF underneath? The second of the photos in the above post shows the LH lower wing and one of the panels below the national marking is noticeably lighter than those surrounding it so I reckon its NMF. The lower rear fuselage is quite dark, but I reckon that is mud again.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/21-e364293dd3_zps5sbvu9co.jpg)
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Thanks Lyric1, these new photos are handy as the 19th Sentai aircraft is going to be the subject of my next skin. It's unusual to have such a wide selection of fairly good quality photos for an aircraft, let alone a Japanese one.
Looking through them I have spotted something about this aircraft which is unusual. The top two photos below are unique in that they show the RH fuselage (the bottom one is reversed and actually shows the LH fuselage like all the other photos). What I have noticed is the RH group tail marking appears to be lighter than the Hinomaru while the LH tail marking is the same shade. I am wondering if this was the group commander's aircraft and he had a yellow squadron marking on his RH tail and a red marking on the LH side. If the spinner was also two tone (red/yellow?) this would reinforce that. The number "0" on the tail and the twin fuselage bands also seems to point to a group commander's aircraft.
The other question I have been mulling over is grey or NMF underneath? The second of the photos in the above post shows the LH lower wing and one of the panels below the national marking is noticeably lighter than those surrounding it so I reckon its NMF. The lower rear fuselage is quite dark, but I reckon that is mud again.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/21-e364293dd3_zps5sbvu9co.jpg)
Good catch on the reversed photo missed that. I had noticed the different shades with the tail squadron markings but just put it down to black & white photo anomaly. The spinner seems to tie it all & I think your correct with the two different squadron colours on the tail. :aok
On the spinner its possible we have a third colour as well there is a thin band at the widest part of the cone.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/10323c65-c348-4cf7-b964-e43152309beb_zpsazxw4vpp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/10323c65-c348-4cf7-b964-e43152309beb_zpsazxw4vpp.jpg.html)
So hard to tell what is bare metal & what is light grey :headscratch:
I think we can say with certainty that this flipped KI-61 its underside is bare metal on the wings. Not so certain about the fuselage though. It seems to be duller in appearance. Also looks to be overcast & even without the sun shining directly on the aircraft its clearly bare metal on the wings.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/hien-88_2009_zpsi33iixqc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/hien-88_2009_zpsi33iixqc.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/9fb9be39-50ab-4c75-91a4-3732a70d1cb6_zpsl6eaull9.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/9fb9be39-50ab-4c75-91a4-3732a70d1cb6_zpsl6eaull9.jpg.html)
Now looking at the new photo I found last night the sun is catching a portion of the bomb rack & wheel cover its brighter than the rest of the underside of the aircraft. Yet even with the sun directly on those areas it still has not got the shiny reflective appearance of the flipped undersides of the wings of the KI-61 in the shade.
There is also another image of the underside of this aircraft in this thread.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/juntitled175_zpssn8sgnt1.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/juntitled175_zpssn8sgnt1.jpg.html)
It doesn't look shiny enough for bare metal.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/c4c493b1-499c-4b7b-bb90-ecfddca48cc5_zpsoxc6tqwa.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/c4c493b1-499c-4b7b-bb90-ecfddca48cc5_zpsoxc6tqwa.jpg.html)
Only thing I think we have is that the fuselage seems to be treated differently to the wings when it comes to a finish. Also looks that there is more going on with Japanese when it comes to painting aircraft that we know of at present.
Interestingly the most recent restoration of a KI-61 in a museum in Japan has gone with an all light grey base.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Untitled%20cccc_zpse9gqa1wd.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Untitled%20cccc_zpse9gqa1wd.jpg.html)
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The 19th Fighter Group had red, yellow and blue Squadron tail markings. So if we go with the idea of this being the Group CO's aircraft the spinner might be red, blue and yellow.
The only way you would see shiny highlights on the lower wings in these photos is if there was a light source on the ground further away than the aircraft. If this was a colour photo you might see a green/brown reflection from the ground but highlights need the angles to be right in order to show up. Also if the lower wing is painted, why is there a lighter panel running through the centre of the hinomaru?
BTW I think the overturned 88 aircraft is the same bare metal aircraft Devil is intending to skin, just with camouflage applied at a later date.
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78th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/78th_zps2kaiurdt.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/78th_zps2kaiurdt.jpg.html)
What can we figure about the rudder on this plane? Probably taken from another plane which was painted completely, I think.
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BTW I think the overturned 88 aircraft is the same bare metal aircraft Devil is intending to skin, just with camouflage applied at a later date.
Very possible. I never even occurred to me that they could have been the same plane. :aok
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What can we figure about the rudder on this plane? Probably taken from another plane which was painted completely, I think.
Consensus seems to be the same.
http://www.j-aircraft.org/smf/index.php?topic=10699.0
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Also if the lower wing is painted, why is there a lighter panel running through the centre of the hinomaru?
Good question especially when you look at the other underside view of this panel in the second image its not lighter at all.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/def301c6-79b3-43bb-b1b6-069771539785_zps05x5ks0p.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/def301c6-79b3-43bb-b1b6-069771539785_zps05x5ks0p.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/a1221cd5-bf98-4a39-9f29-04b9bb96a1b4_zpsps4aszjv.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/a1221cd5-bf98-4a39-9f29-04b9bb96a1b4_zpsps4aszjv.jpg.html)
Tried an experiment with the colour photo of the bare metal wing of a KI-61 in this thread.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/2f2c1070-2fda-4aaa-b386-ca5be4514140_zpszrtvjgkr.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/2f2c1070-2fda-4aaa-b386-ca5be4514140_zpszrtvjgkr.jpg.html)
Turned the saturation way up on the same image turning it essentially into a black and white photo.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/3d315010-21ef-4534-9e2c-fb5d98cf5743_zpszzjyydyy.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/3d315010-21ef-4534-9e2c-fb5d98cf5743_zpszzjyydyy.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/def301c6-79b3-43bb-b1b6-069771539785_zps05x5ks0p.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/def301c6-79b3-43bb-b1b6-069771539785_zps05x5ks0p.jpg.html)
I replicated exactly what we have in plane #0.
So I think we can say the wings on the under side are bare metal. :aok
The underside of the fuselage on plane #0 though?
I did have another image of the flipped #88 and after looking at that close it looks to be all bare metal on the underside as well. The tail wheel area looks to be dirty with stains & so forth giving the impression in the other image that it was painted.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/8ba63ec6b9d5a1324c79f22670af5889_zpstisfambb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/8ba63ec6b9d5a1324c79f22670af5889_zpstisfambb.jpg.html)
Looking at the still shot from the Youtube video of the Ki-61 with the blue stripe behind the cockpit. It looks to be slightly different to aircraft #0 though.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Untitled%20ccc_zpsve4divbp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Untitled%20ccc_zpsve4divbp.jpg.html)
The bomb rack looks to be bare metal even the wheel covers have a metal appearance. The underside leading edge left of the yellow recognition edge is not metal though clearly a colour of some sort. When you compare the bare metal leading edge from the colour photo below the underside demarcation line from above is not close to being the same in appearance.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/2f2c1070-2fda-4aaa-b386-ca5be4514140_zpszrtvjgkr.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/2f2c1070-2fda-4aaa-b386-ca5be4514140_zpszrtvjgkr.jpg.html)
When you look at the other colour photo we have of a solid painted KI-61 in particular the underside of the fuselage. I have to agree with Greebo it is dirty and stained but it seems to be a dirty version of the underside leading edge of the Youtube video KI-61.
Then when you look at the same area of the colour photo that is bare metal its obvious that its painted & not bare metal.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Untitled%20ccc_zpsve4divbp.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Untitled%20ccc_zpsve4divbp.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/d6002969-371d-44a4-a290-3dbb6dced0b4_zpsdtqozb0d.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/d6002969-371d-44a4-a290-3dbb6dced0b4_zpsdtqozb0d.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/5c5b1a2d-bebd-4cbb-918a-d6ea9cb472e1_zps9prvcc6s.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/5c5b1a2d-bebd-4cbb-918a-d6ea9cb472e1_zps9prvcc6s.jpg.html)
Turn the saturation all the way up again on the same three images.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/3245f7d1-fc81-4de3-8ad3-2f59add2fbfc_zpsdtx2zcek.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/3245f7d1-fc81-4de3-8ad3-2f59add2fbfc_zpsdtx2zcek.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/c70937ca-c31a-4e00-b3f7-11efd28349c8_zps7a87lmcs.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/c70937ca-c31a-4e00-b3f7-11efd28349c8_zps7a87lmcs.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/4f6e8fab-893f-41be-90b9-1b10c1492673_zpsharg9zra.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/4f6e8fab-893f-41be-90b9-1b10c1492673_zpsharg9zra.jpg.html)
Its actually hard to tell them apart. :headscratch:
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Guppy, look at the other photos of spinners and they closely match the color of the prop blades -- that darker green shade. Looking at the photo you pointed out, I do not think it is intentional or a 2-tone scheme. I think they over-painted the darker spinner with a lighter shade. I think this is that paint flaking or eroding off. There is damage on the airframe and it's possible that this would have been corrected before signing off on it to resume combat duties. However, I'd say it matches the shade under the nose exactly, and I'd say that's not BMF. There are a number of pictures and they apparently span different times after the airframe was captured. In one picture the wingtip nav light is intact and the gear door in place, and in another the light is smashed and the gear door is missing. Perhaps accidents moving the frame around, or perhaps happy soldiers venting war-time frustrations.
Overall it has none of the sheen that BMF has. It is almost certainly light grey.
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Nice colour film for reference purposes of a KI-84.
http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675052875_wrecked-Japanese-planes_wrecked-bomber_wrecked-hangar_destroyed-airfield
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The demarcation on the spinner looks too regular to be paint flaking to me and the straight part looks to be exactly on the centreline of the gap between the blades. I think the reason it shows up better on this photo than the lower one is due to the angle of the sun which is lighting the front and near side of the plane. On the lower photo the sun is directly above. Also the prop has been rotated on the lower photo and its possible the yellow area is facing away from the camera.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/13725059_10154119628431273_1139155319544447026_o_zpshpxr7d9k.jpg)
I said you wouldn't much in the way of reflections on the underside of this aircraft due to sun being overhead. However there are two brighter patches reflected from the sunlit ground on the underside of the tailplane to either side of the soldier walking behind it. There are darker areas corresponding to the soldier's legs and the rudder. The elevators were painted grey so wouldn't reflect to the same degree. So I reckon it is definitely NMF.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/juntitled175_zpssn8sgnt1.jpg)
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There are a number of pictures and they apparently span different times after the airframe was captured. In one picture the wingtip nav light is intact and the gear door in place, and in another the light is smashed and the gear door is missing. Perhaps accidents moving the frame around, or perhaps happy soldiers venting war-time frustrations.
This aircraft was dealt with by the Technical Air Intelligence Unit they tore it apart measured it & did the things they do when looking at features on enemy aircraft.
VMF-322 was the squadron at that field & they put the KI-61 back together & used it for a squadron hack. This one I don't think it was tore up much the Marines seemed to take very good care of it.
Here is what it looked like when they finished fixing it up.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Untitled%20cccccc_zpsfxrfyaru.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Untitled%20cccccc_zpsfxrfyaru.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61_hien_captrd_Okinawa-1945-C-W-3.jpgoriginal_zpssbibwn1e.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61_hien_captrd_Okinawa-1945-C-W-3.jpgoriginal_zpssbibwn1e.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/ispitano_v_usa_ki-61-09_zpsg8paqbl0.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/ispitano_v_usa_ki-61-09_zpsg8paqbl0.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/CapturedKi-61TonyUSMCOkinawa-02_zpscie207xg.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/CapturedKi-61TonyUSMCOkinawa-02_zpscie207xg.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/CapturedKi-61TonyUSMCOkinawa-01_zpstjrsr5c7.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/CapturedKi-61TonyUSMCOkinawa-01_zpstjrsr5c7.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/ispitano_v_usa_ki-61-01_zpsebwtpya5.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/ispitano_v_usa_ki-61-01_zpsebwtpya5.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/CapturedKi-61TonyUSMCOkinawa-03_zpszfkroga4.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/CapturedKi-61TonyUSMCOkinawa-03_zpszfkroga4.jpg.html)
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Thought this might be helpful for those about to skin the solid colour KI-61's. In particular the two paragraphs I pointed out with the red arrows.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Aces114_p18_research_zpsk8claopl.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Aces114_p18_research_zpsk8claopl.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Untitled%20bnbn_zpssiwrrnaw.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Untitled%20bnbn_zpssiwrrnaw.jpg.html)
Fact.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img_1_zpsw1hdudta.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img_1_zpsw1hdudta.jpg.html)
Fact.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/bdefe8aa-4ea8-488e-ac82-b7b4a22dd31d_zpskl2acf7a.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/bdefe8aa-4ea8-488e-ac82-b7b4a22dd31d_zpskl2acf7a.jpg.html)
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The latest beta has a revised Ki-61 default skin. Some items like the cockpit, gear and flap bays have had colours changed so anyone like Devil or FTJR who is skinning a Ki-61 and who is also not recreating those parts themselves might want to download it again.
Note though there seems to be a bug with both the beta skin viewer and game at the moment. When you download the default skin files using either it saves the ki61.bmp file in 32 bit format. You will need to drop it to 256 colours for the skin to display correctly in the viewer. If you are using Bright to do this I find you need to load and save it first in your graphics program and then run Bright.
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Thanks Greebo.
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Looking for stencils? Good info in the link.
http://www.j-aircraft.org/smf/index.php?topic=12887.0
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/IMG_0462_zpszwl6enol.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/IMG_0462_zpszwl6enol.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/IMG_0463%20a_zpspjmgs3cq.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/IMG_0463%20a_zpspjmgs3cq.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/IMG_0464_zpsa5xz1s7a.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/IMG_0464_zpsa5xz1s7a.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/IMG_0465_zpskr8qnj5x.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/IMG_0465_zpskr8qnj5x.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/IMG_0489_zpspmsld31q.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/IMG_0489_zpspmsld31q.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/IMG_0488_zps4nzeepej.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/IMG_0488_zps4nzeepej.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/IMG_0467_zpsxewxdu8l.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/IMG_0467_zpsxewxdu8l.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/IMG_0466_zpsriub3htt.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/IMG_0466_zpsriub3htt.jpg.html)
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Thanks Greebo. :salute
And those pics are great, Lyric. The two with the pylon are great examples of what corroded aluminium looks like.
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Wish I could find some more photos of this aircraft.
Seems to be something going on under the wing possibly paint peeling off showing a dark primer?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/13445713_1056488887721482_3349616688431294368_n_zpseu0y02mc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/13445713_1056488887721482_3349616688431294368_n_zpseu0y02mc.jpg.html)
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Too much of a leap. Note the big hole in the cowling as well. Could just be they are fixing the gun and oil/liquid spilled out or seeped through the panel. The missing intake on the cowling and the stain could/would be remedied before releasing the plane back into combat. Could be shadows playing on an old film stock. Could have been censored back then when rudimentary censorship methods were employed.
You can't use it as the basis for any real assumption with that photo alone. Nor could it really influence any skinning work. Too much of an abberation to take seriously other than to note it and move on.
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All the rest are profiles I cant find photos for.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20g_zpspwacqw1j.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20g_zpspwacqw1j.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/57%20s_zpsvqey35do.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/57%20s_zpsvqey35do.jpg.html)
Not proof positive of these two profiles at least aircraft very similar in appearance.
Tail and nose obscured of the Ki-61 in the background the KI-100 aircraft have the same tail markings as the above profile.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/39-f84ce44e92_zpskj8hmtyw.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/39-f84ce44e92_zpskj8hmtyw.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/2a0e945f-bfb5-49a1-88cb-0d2968850144_zpsgh6kkoue.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/2a0e945f-bfb5-49a1-88cb-0d2968850144_zpsgh6kkoue.jpg.html)
This image has the bare metal KI-61.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img384_zps4hco76yh.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img384_zps4hco76yh.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/6b292fc2-0671-4d08-93d2-6e3b678c803e_zpsvrdpy4nf.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/6b292fc2-0671-4d08-93d2-6e3b678c803e_zpsvrdpy4nf.jpg.html)
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Found this interesting profile with the red wing tips.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Untitled%20mmm_zpsk1tsaaqq.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Untitled%20mmm_zpsk1tsaaqq.jpg.html)
I have posted a few KI-84's with the red wing tips in this thread that served for home defense of Japan. Have a partial photo of white wing tipped KI-61 first red one though.
I also have a partial image of this aircraft sadly the wing tip is knocked off in this image.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/2e1a0eb5-9575-4708-9661-509b5af49e8b_zpskdwttqqg.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/2e1a0eb5-9575-4708-9661-509b5af49e8b_zpskdwttqqg.jpg.html)
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I would not trust that profile. The fuselage stripe is not in the right location either; should line up with the horizontal stabilizer.
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I would not trust that profile. The fuselage stripe is not in the right location either; should line up with the horizontal stabilizer.
Yes agreed stripe is in the wrong place profile is from 1971. Most profiles I have found have some basis of fact behind them some artists just create profiles out of thin air.
Would like to have seen more on these two wrecks though.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/KGrHqNrUFH4Gm0FsBR-u-0oMn60_57_zpsgp3fphab.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/KGrHqNrUFH4Gm0FsBR-u-0oMn60_57_zpsgp3fphab.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/KGrHqJrgFHpQJLvBrBR-vd6eIg60_57_zps2pebftrh.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/KGrHqJrgFHpQJLvBrBR-vd6eIg60_57_zps2pebftrh.jpg.html)
White wing tipped KI-61 & also a strange emblem on the tail that has been partially damaged or cut away. Looks like a horses head with a plane diving away from it.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/ki%20tail%20a_zpspz2mv8wg.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/ki%20tail%20a_zpspz2mv8wg.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/44d0738d-bb39-4553-ba4a-12ec1b41bf80_zpsytwak09i.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/44d0738d-bb39-4553-ba4a-12ec1b41bf80_zpsytwak09i.jpg.html)
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Another photo with the pilot.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/13166075_608233269329188_5873328579864511942_n_zpsticgsmni.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/13166075_608233269329188_5873328579864511942_n_zpsticgsmni.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/13532919_10154071038796273_7556813509053718380_n_zpsv5q8jedd.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/13532919_10154071038796273_7556813509053718380_n_zpsv5q8jedd.jpg.html)
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Yes agreed stripe is in the wrong place profile is from 1971. Most profiles I have found have some basis of fact behind them some artists just create profiles out of thin air.
Found this profile in a book from 2003 still keeping the red wing tips & continuing the red stripe along the entire aircraft.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/LT_zpsruo91mhb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/LT_zpsruo91mhb.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Untitled%20DF_zpsqrtofcdb.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Untitled%20DF_zpsqrtofcdb.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/d426fe5a-5fce-42c3-9333-748be62a248a_zpsrt3rasyz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/d426fe5a-5fce-42c3-9333-748be62a248a_zpsrt3rasyz.jpg.html)
Few pages away from the profile in the very same book a partial photo of the same aircraft.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/img389_zpstd84lytv.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/img389_zpstd84lytv.jpg.html)
:headscratch:
Seems the old 70's profile at this point is far more accurate.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Untitled%20mmm_zpsk1tsaaqq.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Untitled%20mmm_zpsk1tsaaqq.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/8bc0d1e5-71e9-43db-9b57-0f7982fc45e7_zpswchrbezu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/8bc0d1e5-71e9-43db-9b57-0f7982fc45e7_zpswchrbezu.jpg.html)
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11th drilling squadron I think is what this tail squadron marking is.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/13692961_10154119628436273_5313240326308824515_o_zpsxia1qxxw.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/13692961_10154119628436273_5313240326308824515_o_zpsxia1qxxw.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/11th_zpssfwtl2bu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/11th_zpssfwtl2bu.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/6a85c5a0-4707-45cb-a1f7-b8d218138a5e_zpsakoo1mcq.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/6a85c5a0-4707-45cb-a1f7-b8d218138a5e_zpsakoo1mcq.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/e16423a9-b9aa-4467-ae6a-d30cc625da6b_zps9ealtuxk.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/e16423a9-b9aa-4467-ae6a-d30cc625da6b_zps9ealtuxk.jpg.html)
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Never seen the photo before.
11th training flying corps.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/11TH_zpsaly9hskj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/11TH_zpsaly9hskj.jpg.html)
Found another one from this unit.
Looking a little worse for wear.
No. 11 Rensei Hikotai (Operational Training Flying Unit)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61_Hien_11-Rensei-hikotai_Chofu_JAPAN_1945-s-l500_zps9jakrw4j.jpgoriginal_zps0zz7aspu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61_Hien_11-Rensei-hikotai_Chofu_JAPAN_1945-s-l500_zps9jakrw4j.jpgoriginal_zps0zz7aspu.jpg.html)
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After looking at this aircraft some more I have come to the conclusion it is one & the same in all these photos. As well as the video.
The former squadron logo on the right side of the tail is white as seen in the video. The left side former squadron logo however looks a little dark for white so the profile showing yellow seems to be correct. :aok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95ZkXPB1tg4
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/leak8_zps6g1qliv3.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/leak8_zps6g1qliv3.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/KF_1974_03_058_zpskjztgzpm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/KF_1974_03_058_zpskjztgzpm.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/OkiKi-61_2_zpszs64ea0v.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/OkiKi-61_2_zpszs64ea0v.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/OkiKi-61_1_zps3lfrwjsm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/OkiKi-61_1_zps3lfrwjsm.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/leak7_zpsa0xocttz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/leak7_zpsa0xocttz.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/168-9fd0ce0626%20a_zpskgg28xka.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/168-9fd0ce0626%20a_zpskgg28xka.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/259ce4be-65b3-482f-a798-f77a8b3bded3_zpstlkd1rli.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/259ce4be-65b3-482f-a798-f77a8b3bded3_zpstlkd1rli.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Untitled_zps5kjfryjm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Untitled_zps5kjfryjm.jpg.html)
Couple more of this one as it is getting its tail clipped.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/tekkyohienyomitan_convert_20160915144519_zps434zg3g6.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/tekkyohienyomitan_convert_20160915144519_zps434zg3g6.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/yontankitahientekkyo_convert_20160915144844_zpsp3xpcsse.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/yontankitahientekkyo_convert_20160915144844_zpsp3xpcsse.jpg.html)
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didna read all the posts here--
but any idea when KI-61 skins will be out?
no hurry just asking
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Some 244th Sentai.
First two are the same aircraft.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/18710248472_19c8193475_b%2070.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/18710248472_19c8193475_b%2070.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Kawasaki_Ki-61_Hien_in_cockpit_zpstui7siye.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Kawasaki_Ki-61_Hien_in_cockpit_zpstui7siye.jpg.html)
New image and profile for this bird.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/18768193_1536870829676581_166432771863849873_o_zpsqbnuboiq.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/18768193_1536870829676581_166432771863849873_o_zpsqbnuboiq.jpg.html)
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Army transportation unit 2nd Hikotai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/tiger%20on%20tail_zpst5rouliu.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/tiger%20on%20tail_zpst5rouliu.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/02_zpsmzoaw5rx.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Nakajima%20KI-84%20Hayate/02_zpsmzoaw5rx.jpg.html)
(https://i.imgur.com/qTzfBCI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dyLi5Mq.jpg)
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Wow Photobucket activated my account.
Anyone else?
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Seems they activated mine as well. I can see my screenshots in old threads again.
I'm still not going back, though.
Or maybe I might for $400. :devil
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Seems they activated mine as well. I can see my screenshots in old threads again.
I'm still not going back, though.
Or maybe I might for $400. :devil
I did get a email some time back asking why I would not pay for the service. Told them they screwed everyone over & why would I use a service that would do that.
Guessing they must have been a huge backlash from consumers.
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165th.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/20121107000527d72_zpsgqbl9qki.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/20121107000527d72_zpsgqbl9qki.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/165sinbutai_convert_20160128231401_zpsqtpyvkdz.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/165sinbutai_convert_20160128231401_zpsqtpyvkdz.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/55kuroki_zpscospuj2r.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/55kuroki_zpscospuj2r.jpg.html)
56th.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/kaneko_zpswddzuf6a.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/kaneko_zpswddzuf6a.jpg.html)
Looks to have a new squadron identification now on the first one?
(https://i.imgur.com/3lIoiov.jpg)
Now known 56th.
(https://i.imgur.com/neniIGM.jpg)
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Never seen the photo before.
11th training flying corps.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/11TH_zpsaly9hskj.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/11TH_zpsaly9hskj.jpg.html)
(https://i.imgur.com/Q8vCphq.jpg)
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I seem to recall Devil and FTJR reserved a lot of Ki-61 schemes when it was updated a few years ago, but I can't find the post which says which ones. Are these still reserved or can I pick anything from this thread?
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Greebo, you can disregard any claim I have made. I'll be busy enough with German fighters and the occasional P-40.
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Greebo, you can disregard any claim I have made. I'll be busy enough with German fighters and the occasional P-40.
Likewise, I surrender all claims to the Ki61. Thanks.
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Thanks guys, I'll have a look through the thread and see what I want to do.
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68th Sentai.
This partial photo shows the aircraft on the deck of a carrier being transported there is debate as to where & when.
It is also the only known photo of this aircraft & it has a spiral pattern on the the spinner unusual for Japanese aircraft. The only other Hien I have seen with one is a 244th Sentai plane.
No profiles I have found only some modeling pictures.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/Ki-61-Hien_68-Sentai_CVE-Taiyo_spiral-spinner_1943-W-1_zps90d63913.jpgoriginal_zpsklpiytuo.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/Ki-61-Hien_68-Sentai_CVE-Taiyo_spiral-spinner_1943-W-1_zps90d63913.jpgoriginal_zpsklpiytuo.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/LuigiScarano25_zpstc7od6av.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/LuigiScarano25_zpstc7od6av.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/LuigiScarano21_zpsryrva71v.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/LuigiScarano21_zpsryrva71v.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/LuigiScarano23_zpsolousivm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/LuigiScarano23_zpsolousivm.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/LuigiScarano22_zpssfkkxhuc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/LuigiScarano22_zpssfkkxhuc.jpg.html)
Profile now.
(https://i.imgur.com/5xdND4w.jpg)
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78th Sentai.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/78th_zps2kaiurdt.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/78th_zps2kaiurdt.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ki-61/65_92_zpssl1zls5v.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ki-61/65_92_zpssl1zls5v.jpg.html)
3 bands on the spinner.
(https://i.imgur.com/NMDfogu.jpg)