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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Tr1gg22 on April 23, 2008, 10:16:12 AM
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Just wonderin who is the best couple of aces u fought against either recently or at any time? IMO Skyrock Skatsr And Creton. Had 1 on 1s with all of them but its been awhile..Those are the 3 that stik out in my mind :aok
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Not this thread again... :furious
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My top ten.
1. TheCBass
2. TheCBass
3. TheCBass
4. TheCBass
5. TheCBass
6. TheCBass
7. TheCBass
8. There is no number 8
9. TheCBass
10. That numbers guy
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1. 598789
2. 895630
3. 101034
4. 478989
5. 282828
6. 137578
7. 952000
8. 698515
9. 126458
10. 999000
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1. 598789
2. 895630
3. 101034
4. 478989
5. 282828
6. 137578
7. 952000
8. 698515
9. 126458
10. 999000
you made #10 up, there is no such person ;)
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1. 598789
2. 895630
3. 101034
4. 478989
5. 282828
6. 137578
7. 952000
8. 698515
9. 126458
10. 999000
Number 10 has no imagination... just 2 numbers :P
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Zoozoo. Zachary7.
SQUUUUEEEEEEEEEEKKKK!!!
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Ugh. Like some of these folks need their cartoon egos stroked some more. :rolleyes:
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Ugh. Like some of these folks need their cartoon egos stroked some more. :rolleyes:
Its not my ego that wants strokin :D
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Its not my ego that wants strokin :D
:rofl Your barking up the wrong tree here c(Sea)Bass! :rofl
<Salute>
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my 10 aces in no special order
1. leviathn
2. stang
3. yucca
4. kermit
5. corkyjr
6. yoda
7. blukitty
8. shawk
9. skyrock
10. fx
lots more but u only asked for 10 ;)
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lazor and pawz
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Two that I'm sure to do die to every time are Mtnman and Saber.
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I think i used to enjoy fighting shane the most, fun fight and then his humour cracked me up. Stang is awesome but it breaks my heart when i have to shoot him down because i love him so. :cry
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Barbossa is definitely one of the best.
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No such thing as top 10...just the top 18.
LTARmoil ,LTARadio, LTARaptr, LTARazor, LTARcase, LTARcnuk, LTARdude, LTARglok, LTARgrif, LTARhntr, LTARifle, LTARmac, LTARogue, LTARsoup
LTARsqrl, LTARstud, LTARumbl and LTARwasp
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TwinTail also a great pilot
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No such thing as top 10...just the top 18.
LTARmoil ,LTARadio, LTARaptr, LTARazor, LTARcase, LTARcnuk, LTARdude, LTARglok, LTARgrif, LTARhntr, LTARifle, LTARmac, LTARogue, LTARsoup
LTARsqrl, LTARstud, LTARumbl and LTARwasp
:rofl :rofl
I love a good joke.
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No such thing as top 10...just the top 18.
LTARmoil ,LTARadio, LTARaptr, LTARazor, LTARcase, LTARcnuk, LTARdude, LTARglok, LTARgrif, LTARhntr, LTARifle, LTARmac, LTARogue, LTARsoup
LTARsqrl, LTARstud, LTARumbl and LTARwasp
mmmmmmmmmmm....who r these guys??? noobs???? :D
i luv ma LTAR boyz! *huggies*
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I only dogfight myself :cool:
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WOOOHOOOO three of the 80th get mention...
corkyjr
laser
pawz
:)
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We love you to, Betty. ;)
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TOP 10 WOULD BE:
1.ME
2.NOT U
3.NOT U
4. GUESS WHO!
5.NOT U
6.SOME SQUEEKER
7.?
8.?
9.?
10.ALL OF U!
THEDUDEE OWNZ ALL :D :D :D :aok
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1) Drex
2) Leviathn
3) Everyone else vies for 3rd....
My regards,
Widewing
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I don't know the top ten, but I know the 80th is holding down the bottom 16 slots :)
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my 10 aces in no special order
1. leviathn
2. stang
3. yucca
4. kermit
5. corkyjr
6. yoda
7. blukitty
8. shawk
9. skyrock
10. fx
lots more but u only asked for 10 ;)
Kermit, corky and shawk suck.
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Well, this is something that has been posted before but there are new stiks out there getting good and the old ones dont play anymore, so it would be hard to say.
I heard theres a group of them out there somewhere.......... that stay in touch......
:noid
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I only dogfight myself :cool:
You'll go blind.
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:rofl :rofl
I love a good joke.
So you laugh at yourself, is this what you are trying to convey to us? How are those 10 fighter sorties doing?
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1) Drex
2) Leviathn
3) Everyone else vies for 3rd....
My regards,
Widewing
I gotta go with this as well. Drex is the best I've ever seen. Damn good guy.
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Kermit, corky and shawk suck.
No need to bag on my CO, dan, and kermit is a nice guy also.
donkey
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SHawk is also a great guy and a darn good stick.
So you laugh at yourself, is this what you are trying to convey to us? How are those 10 fighter sorties doing?
^^^^i love this guy (in a straight way)
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nathbdp, lev, wetrat, stang, wmaker, apar, most BK's.
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The next ten pilots I merge with.
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i say me and umm me again and me some more
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Kermit, corky and shawk suck.
I can't speak for the other two, but darn right I suck. Darn proud of it too!
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i say me and umm me again and me some more
Bip....dont break your arm patting your self on your back.
Strip
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is this an offer to DA?
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I'am the Beast i can ho the rest.
:rock
:devil
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1) Drex
2) Leviathn
3) Everyone else vies for 3rd....
My regards,
Widewing
Couldn't have said it better WW.
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Just look at the score's page....
Isn't it obvious? :rofl
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1) Drex
2) Leviathn
3) Everyone else vies for 3rd....
My regards,
Widewing
+1
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I can vouch for barbie being one hell'va stick as WW said. My one goal in AH right now is to get good enough to beat him two times in a row, becuase once would just be a fluke. ;) Sadly, we all know that is never going to happen. :aok
donkey
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1) Drex
2) Leviathn
3) Everyone else vies for 3rd....
My regards,
Widewing
Couldn't have said it better also up there from way back...hoolgn, SiloFT was a damn good stick as well.
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1. Jerkins
2. JunkyII
3. Vanscrew (hey he pretty good)
4. Airfool
5. 5pointoh (when I was knit as Plus44)
6. Dr7
7. Saantana
8. Widewing (yes, I have fought you before)
9. CRZYHORS
10. Spacy
:aok
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nathbdp, lev, wetrat, stang, wmaker, apar, most BK's.
wmaker? Fin lover! BK's are old school dorks BTW! :aok
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drex
lev
nath
barb
creede
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So you laugh at yourself, is this what you are trying to convey to us? How are those 10 fighter sorties doing?
LOL! I was gonna give the poor kid a broadside but I think you did a bang up job!
ack-ack
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You love me! You really love me!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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You love me! You really love me!
-- Todd/Leviathn
Will you sign my yearbook? :pray
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Kermit, corky and shawk suck.
You sound a little bitter there wetvermin. Bummed those guys were mentioned and you weren't?
ack-ack
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You sound a little bitter there wetvermin. Bummed those guys were mentioned and you weren't?
ack-ack
errmm welll
nathbdp, lev, wetrat, stang, wmaker, apar, most BK's.
:noid
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the best Ace is my Wingman :aok
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the best Ace is my Wingman :aok
Im just waiting until you get drunk so i can shoot you down again :D
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1. Jerkins
2. JunkyII
3. Vanscrew (hey he pretty good)
4. Airfool
5. 5pointoh (when I was knit as Plus44)
6. Dr7
7. Saantana
8. Widewing (yes, I have fought you before)
9. CRZYHORS
10. Spacy
:aok
All bish names, and everyone knows bish have never been good at anything. :D
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<= Is an ace at dying :p
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My stat page sais top ten is:
Wirble
Panzer
Ship gunner
La7
Niki
IL2
B24
Ostwind
Spixteen
Pee51
No idea who drives them
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:lol
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1. Jerkins
2. JunkyII
3. Vanscrew (hey he pretty good)
4. Airfool
5. 5pointoh (when I was knit as Plus44)
6. Dr7
7. Saantana
8. Widewing (yes, I have fought you before)
9. CRZYHORS
10. Spacy
:aok
Except VC and Widewing you must be joking right ?
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Based on only the people I have fought, in no particular order...
Barbossa
Dedalos
Stang
SkyRock
Murdr
Lazer
I have never fought Drex or Levi, but apparently they are very good.
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1-mus51
2-twintail
3-airmess
4-bipolar
5-lynx
6-atti11a
7-laver
8-pawz
9- adonai
10-zoozoo
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All bish names, and everyone knows bish have never been good at anything. :D
Can't speak to the other names Sunfan, but JunkyII is a PIG and we only fly Knight.
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I have to split up my choices,because you have the furball type pilot,and then the E fighters..I won't use pickers,as that leads to arguements.Anyway heres a few I think are excellent,and in no certain order.
Drex
Leviathen
Greebo
Skyrock
Shane
Fester
Zazen
TwinBoom
KillnU
Lazer
Many others deserve to be on list,but these excellent pilots come to mind for me.
IronDog
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1-mus51
2-twintail
3-airmess
4-bipolar
5-lynx
6-atti11a
7-laver
8-pawz
9- adonai
10-zoozoo
cmon zoo I pwn you :)
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everyone pwns me :cry :cry
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wmaker? Fin lover! BK's are old school dorks BTW! :aok
He's the best 109 pilot I've fought that's currently playing besides me and a couple others.
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nvm
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I could probably name the 100 best but not the 10 best.
Truth is there are quite a few guys who are really, really good at this game. We got some Rooks who are 1 man slaughter houses. Ive seen them clear out a sector of enemy planes almost on their own.
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in no order
Lev
shane
skyrock
dutchie
stang
fester
drex
barb
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Thx for the mention, but in all honesty, I'd have more considered myself an E-fighter unafraid to turn, than a furballer type.
I generally avoided the furballs and preferred to hunt alone or with another more on the edges and usually toward the base they were usng to stage.
I only did sokay in massive furballs, preferring to blow thru and drag a few away for a mugging when possible.
6v1 is *not* a furball!!
:noid
I have to split up my choices,because you have the furball type pilot,and then the E fighters..I won't use pickers,as that leads to arguements.Anyway heres a few I think are excellent,and in no certain order.
Drex
Leviathen
Greebo
Skyrock
Shane
Fester
Zazen
TwinBoom
KillnU
Lazer
Many others deserve to be on list,but these excellent pilots come to mind for me.
IronDog
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Thx for the mention, but in all honesty, I'd have more considered myself an E-fighter unafraid to turn, than a furballer type.
I generally avoided the furballs and preferred to hunt alone or with another more on the edges and usually toward the base they were usng to stage.
I only did sokay in massive furballs, preferring to blow thru and drag a few away for a mugging when possible.
6v1 is *not* a furball!!
:noid
I agree with your statement,and I got the gaggles that you fought mixed up as furballs!
IronDog
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wmaker? Fin lover! BK's are old school dorks BTW! :aok
What´s wrong with Finn lovers? I love Finns :aok
BTW Wmaker is really good.
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In no particular order.....
DadsGuns
nikOmon
Wingnutt
Bonz1
FALCON23
DAGO
DCCBOSS
minke
gblade30
BMWgs
(The best pilots in the game are not the flat out, drop-dead killers...... But rather the pilots who rub off skill and knowledge onto others!)
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very easy to defeat almost everyone mentioned in this thread and alot of them are whiners when they lose and braggers when they win. If you want to proove me wrong find me in the DA. If i can beat you even once you are not the best though i would pedict i could beat alot of these guys 9/10 times.
2Bighorn comes close, i think he is the best dueler i know.
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As everyone who plays reg knows im not a great fighter guy,wanna be just cant seem to get it down therefore id say
ANYONE NOT NAMED TATERTOT,AND OR ZIPECODE AREA 999000 :aok
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very easy to defeat almost everyone mentioned in this thread and alot of them are whiners when they lose and braggers when they win. If you want to proove me wrong find me in the DA. If i can beat you even once you are not the best though i would pedict i could beat alot of these guys 9/10 times.
2Bighorn comes close, i think he is the best dueler i know.
Bring it you crumpet!
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In no particular order.....
DadsGuns
nikOmon
Wingnutt
Bonz1
FALCON23
DAGO
DCCBOSS
minke
gblade30
BMWgs
(The best pilots in the game are not the flat out, drop-dead killers...... But rather the pilots who rub off skill and knowledge onto others!)
Skuzzy should PNG you for even saying those names
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I have to split up my choices,because you have the furball type pilot,and then the E fighters..I won't use pickers,as that leads to arguements.Anyway heres a few I think are excellent,and in no certain order.
Drex
Leviathen
Greebo
Skyrock
Shane
Fester
Zazen
TwinBoom
KillnU
Lazer
Many others deserve to be on list,but these excellent pilots come to mind for me.
IronDog
I would agree more with this than any other lists I see here..too lazy to read any further. I would make a couple of changes though. The first 5 would definately be in my top 10 though. If I had the drive to get any better I would certainly ask these guys for help.
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What´s wrong with Finn lovers? I love Finns :aok
BTW Wmaker is really good.
Yup, he is good, but at the recent AH Spring Meet 2008 there were some 10 or more Finns who finished ahead of him in the 109G-2 dueling ladder ;)
Wmaker, no excuses.. don't even participate in this discussion ;)
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He's the best 109 pilot I've fought that's currently playing besides me and a couple others.
You must not be fighting the right people :aok
I do think wmaker is a good stik though, even though he flies like a chump! :D
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very easy to defeat almost everyone mentioned in this thread and alot of them are whiners when they lose and braggers when they win. If you want to proove me wrong find me in the DA. If i can beat you even once you are not the best though i would pedict i could beat alot of these guys 9/10 times.
2Bighorn comes close, i think he is the best dueler i know.
:confused:
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I love the lobying threads :D
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Top Ten:
between 1 and 2 its Lute and Dogg
3. most of the muppets :D
4.Greebo
5. SkatSR
6. VC.... :noid
7. Jerkins and dealdos
8. JensK....one of the best jug pilots i've seen
9. who knows
10. posibly me :noid
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In no specal order.
1. Fester
2. SkyRock
3. Lusche
4. Lynx
5. Fringe
6. Lute
7. ADgogg
8. Bearkats
9. Greebo
10. Falcon23 :noid :rofl
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In no specal order.
3. Lusche
:huh
:rofl
You MUST be kidding...
I guess there are at least 50 guys currently in game that could beat the crap out of me in a classical 1v1 co-alt co-E duel.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
some of these names
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
topic should be best vulchers, or best pickers.
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Again, for emphasis.
1) Drex
2) Leviathn
3) Everyone else vies for 3rd....
My regards,
Widewing
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In no specal order.
1. Fester
2. SkyRock
3. Lusche
4. Lynx
5. Fringe
6. Lute
7. ADgogg
8. Bearkats
9. Greebo
10. Falcon23 :noid :rofl
Who is ADgoog? Never heard of him and Widewing's post is still the one to beat.
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Just wonderin who is the best couple of aces u fought against either recently or at any time? IMO Skyrock Skatsr And Creton. Had 1 on 1s with all of them but its been awhile..Those are the 3 that stik out in my mind :aok
geophro, wmm, oldman22, stickpig, are the ones that stick out in my mind in general 1-1 or 1-2 fights......geophro and wmm inparticular.......were awsome 1-1 fights.
<<S>>
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Why am I not on anyone's list. I helped these guys get their standing by being the prey. I must GET some credit. :aok
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I heard theres a group of them out there somewhere.......... that stay in touch......
:noid
:noid
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Bipolar2
Vanscrew
4XTCH
LippyCH
gotta have the two fellow C-hawks that absolutely kick BOOTAY
- BigBOBCH
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Some of these post are funny. :)
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Some of these post are funny. :)
i know...mostly the ones with my name in them...hahaha
you think im joking but im not
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There's too many Aces (people that kill me with little effort) too name. I can list some I would like to learn from easier.
The numbers are just for counting, not in order.
1. Leviathn
2. AKDogg
3. Nomak
4. WMlute
5. Creton- even though I've spent countless hours in DA with him I still learn from him
6. Skyrock
7. Kamilyun
8. Batfink
9. Lynx
10. Fester
11. ElevenK
12. there are others, just can't think off the top of my head.
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Again, for emphasis.
I respect WW's opinion but I think it's fair to point out these guys don't play anymore. Unless their here under another name.
Drex last tour Feb 04
Leviathn........Dec 06
Now that Furballs back I thinks he'll go straight in a top 10.
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I respect WW's opinion but I think it's fair to point out these guys don't play anymore. Unless their here under another name.
Drex last tour Feb 04
Leviathn........Dec 06
Now that Furballs back I thinks he'll go straight in a top 10.
i fought lev a good 3 weeks ago....
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i fought lev a good 3 weeks ago....
I that case take it my hat has been eaten. In my defence I can only assume he's back after a long absence.
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I that case take it my hat has been eaten. In my defence I can only assume he's back after a long absence.
you are correct ;)
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not me :rock
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1.Zip53
2.CofnCrnr
3.Vanscrew
4.Adonai
5.Shawk
6.UberSet
7.Bosco123
8.MadNiki
9. Dadsguns
10. Raddude :rofl
dont mind the numbers, they just describe which one i though of first haha
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geophro, wmm, oldman22, stickpig, are the ones that stick out in my mind in general 1-1 or 1-2 fights......geophro and wmm inparticular.......were awsome 1-1 fights.
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Who are those guys ???
None quoted SASKID, and seeing how he kicks bellybutton in koth he deserves to be on someones list, so here I go, in no particular order.
SASKID
m00t
Furball
Wmaker
Puujiko
Fariz
SkyRock
WMLute
TC
Jensk
And many more....<S>
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Who is ADgoog? Never heard of him and Widewing's post is still the one to beat.
AKDogg sorry.
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Who are those guys ???
they're guys that i've run into in the MW arena, and they actually fight......they don't..or at least didn't.....pick, or vulch, or gang-bang. they got down n dirty in some seriously fun knife fights.
<<S>>
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Were to start?
1.SHawk
2.Ati11a
3.VansCrew
4.TwinTail
5.AKSketch
6.Joker2
7.
8.
9.
10.
Was hard enough finding those 6.....
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After seeing all these list of great flyers,it occured to me how many got left off of my list,Kappa,Fringe,AKdog,Delirium,and I could go on for a long time.At the same time I saw a few that I actually managed to beat one vs one,and I'm just a dweeb.It goes to show you how everyone has a different view on pilots abilities.I think we all would like to be as good as the pilots on the different list.
IronDog
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After seeing all these list of great flyers,it occured to me how many got left off of my list,Kappa,Fringe,AKdog,Delirium,and I could go on for a long time.At the same time I saw a few that I actually managed to beat one vs one,and I'm just a dweeb.It goes to show you how everyone has a different view on pilots abilities.I think we all would like to be as good as the pilots on the different list.
IronDog
It is funny how it comes down to who you know, for sure.
I would trust Widewing's assesment and the gents who have been here to see it all. For me,...the guys I have seen just totally owning the arena...lots, but Fester, and Dolfo(Killnu), and N7 certainly stand out.
Also, Barbossa (2Bighorn), and Widewing can do things in a virt. plane far and above the greater % of this crowd.
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It is funny how it comes down to who you know, for sure.
I would trust Widewing's assesment and the gents who have been here to see it all. For me,...the guys I have seen just totally owning the arena...lots, but Fester, and Dolfo(Killnu), and N7 certainly stand out.
Also, Barbossa (2Bighorn), and Widewing can do things in a virt. plane far and above the greater % of this crowd.
Bah, barbossa is a hoing cherry picking lag dweeb that destroyed (with some help) the old DA. He should be removed from your lists and dishonorably discharged (PNGed) from AH.
Please make this a voting thread now.
YES
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Bah, barbossa is a hoing cherry picking lag dweeb that destroyed (with some help) the old DA. He should be removed from your lists and dishonorably discharged (PNGed) from AH.
Please make this a voting thread now.
YES
Well then, you just admitted to yourself doing all of that, since barbie is after all your shade, yes?
donkey
:noid
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my 10 aces in no special order
1. leviathn
2. stang
3. yucca
4. kermit
5. corkyjr
6. yoda
7. blukitty
8. shawk
9. skyrock
10. fx
lots more but u only asked for 10 ;)
:(
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There are just to many Pigs on the Wing to list. :D
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Bipolar2
Vanscrew
4XTCH
LippyCH
gotta have the two fellow C-hawks that absolutely kick BOOTAY
- BigBOBCH
Now my feelings are hurt. BTW Bigbob, you're fired! :furious
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It seems like alot of the old aces don't play anymore, at least I don't see them since I came back a couple months ago after a 2 year break. Rarely see Fester, never see Shane, Levi(I used to fear spit V's), Drex and recently got to fly with Furball again, great to fly with an old squaddie again :).
So many new names to me have become fantastic sticks since I was away, I'm still learning from them :). I am suprised Lazer(mouse dweeb), m00t, Stang and Murdr don't get more mentions in these lists people have some up with. Either way, there are alot of great sticks out there and I don't think it's possible to come up with a top 10. Perhaps just a top 10 of those pilots you run into alot. S! all!
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The good sticks know who each other are, and that's all that really matters. I just try to survive long enough to get at least one kill before I'm shot down myself.
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After seeing all these list of great flyers,it occured to me how many got left off of my list,Kappa,Fringe,AKdog,Delirium,and I could go on for a long time.At the same time I saw a few that I actually managed to beat one vs one,and I'm just a dweeb.It goes to show you how everyone has a different view on pilots abilities.I think we all would like to be as good as the pilots on the different list.
IronDog
Thats why WW's post is spot on. There are probably 30-40 guys who fall in line behind Drex, Levi, etc who are all really, really good sticks and capable of smacking 95% of the MA population on any given night 1v1 or even 1v2. Del is a good choice, I dont think anyone mentioned Soulyss yet. Kappa, m00t, hell even SkyRock aint half bad.
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alright instead of laughing at some of these names i will try to participate
no particular order
Lazer
Panonno(Platanno)
AKdogg
storch
skyrock
Dedalos
Falcnwng
well i have not fought some of the other bigger names like
widewing
furball
fester
so cant say but i also know there are many very good sticks in AH
i don't consider vulchers, pickers, good fighters
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Anybody can be a ace 1 day and then be crap the next. Iron, most people don't like me because they think I cheat, pick, ho, vulch and can't fight a fair fight. I do all them except cheat, but only on few occations. I ho when ho'd upon. Sometimes I end up ho'in some that don't ho only because the person just before did to me so I start. I vulch when we are trying to take the field (Field suppression). Pick, this I do quite often, mainly when a squady is introuble. But isn't that what wingman are for? I usually don't post in these type of topics because like I said before. There is always someone better then u.
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dogg dweebs his way to ace status.
he doesn't like his tatics used against him either. :D
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lol, I don't run to ack like u. U confuse me with others.
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Only after you guys did it to me!
See above about not liking your tatics used against you :D
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like I said, I don't use that tactic. U still confusing me with others. When I logged on that night, U did most of the running.
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still upset i was in a temp and your 4hog couldn't keep up? :cry
i was just out to rile you up for picking me in some fights, guess it worked
:rofl
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heck to be an ace you need 5 killz
i got 400 this month :D
in fighter mode, considering thats all i fly in
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lol, I was laughing the whole time that night on vox to my squady's. When I logged on they told me what u BS'in about. So I hoped in my -4 and ran u down. Just couldn't catch u in time as u got to your ack first. Got within 800 of ya at 17k when u dove down. Remember? If I remember correctly to, U only killed me when I wa alrdy engaged with someone else.
As far as upset, far from it. I was having fun that night with all the whines. :rofl :lol :devil
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oh man, good thing! our vox was having a good laugh about you guys too!
You picked me, I came back to pick you. Guess all's fair huh?
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yep, I very rarely take anything seriously. Things I take seriously are accusation against my son or his actions in the game. Anyone attacking my squad members abuseivly or anything like that. Other then that, not at all. :salute
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Dunce caps and corners for all!
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still upset i was in a temp and your 4hog couldn't keep up? :cry
i was just out to rile you up for picking me in some fights, guess it worked
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Try getting AKDogg in a Ki-61 1vs1. Perk rides are for kids. He dove in on me, not realizing my E management. He went back up when he realized it, but not before I got him.
I have NEVER, I mean NEVER seen AKDogg run from a fight. At least from my experiences. If there were 6 guys in the vicinity of you 420ace, I could MAYBE see it. But a 1 vs 1? No way in Hell.
<<S>> Dogg
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Bah, barbossa is a hoing cherry picking lag dweeb that destroyed (with some help) the old DA. He should be removed from your lists and dishonorably discharged (PNGed) from AH.
Please make this a voting thread now.
YES
I've never had any problems with 2Bighorn and have always come out of our fights a better pilot regardless if I have won or lost. Always manage to learn something new after reviewing our fights. YMMV.
ack-ack
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I've never had any problems with 2Bighorn and have always come out of our fights a better pilot regardless if I have won or lost. Always manage to learn something new after reviewing our fights. YMMV.
ack-ack
dedalos is jealous of his shades mad skills, and concerning 420ace i have never seen akdogg run from a far fight either....
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dogg dweebs his way to ace status.
he doesn't like his tatics used against him either. :D
No offense, but AKDogg would kick your arse so fast in a 1v1 fight that' it's best you just stop the meager chest thumping. Unless you like the taste of crow that is.
ack-ack
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Thx for the mention, but in all honesty, I'd have more considered myself an E-fighter unafraid to turn, than a furballer type.
I generally avoided the furballs and preferred to hunt alone or with another more on the edges and usually toward the base they were usng to stage.
I only did sokay in massive furballs, preferring to blow thru and drag a few away for a mugging when possible.
6v1 is *not* a furball!!
:noid
and if you evere see him in a f4u1a and he has his flaps out and wheels down, then the next thing you are going to see is the tower, he he he he
SALUTE ------------YOU OLE' KILLER YOU
ab8aac/dmdchief/that damned ole trucker in his 18 wheeler
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There are too many to list and I cant pull out 10 that truely stand above the rest. the ones that come to mind as being exceptional are in no particular order.
1) Delierium (1 of the top 3 P38 drivers out there)
2) Raptor (1 of the top 3 P38 drivers out there)
3) M00t
4) LippyCH (Best Ki-84 stick bar none)
5) Saantana
6) Jensk (Best Jug driver out there)
7) Shawk (over all good in anything)
8 ) AKDogg (P51 pro)
9) Fester
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4) LippyCH (Best Ki-84 stick bar none)
:rofl :lol My god son, you need to fight more people.
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I'm biased but who aren't
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Yeah, were that good.
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8) AKDogg (P51 pro)
I no p51 pro. U may have me mixed up with AKDG. F4U-1 is my baby.
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Maybe so, but you have blasted me in a pony before I am sure.
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when im in my hurri i very rarely lose 1vs 1 in MA,
, AKdogg took me twice in a row in his -1, although the first round i did hit him first, just not enough to kill him!!
he is a great stick, and from what ive learned recently a great guy!!
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was flying one night (or day ) phone rang(was my boss, who is also my very good friend.) i put my plane in auto climb. btw there was a f4u-1 on my tail.on 200 there was a few auto climb complaints by a certain player.I typed back i'm on the phone . I was shot down when i reversed. no big deal after he and i had a conversation all was understood an :aok. I reupped an f4u1-d and went looking for that person. soon to find a p51 and an f4u. aftre engaging the p51 the f4u stayed away I shot down the p51 in a great fight! it was AKDG. The f4u Pilot said ok are you ready and i said ok lets go! He shot me down. But he did not cherry pick me <S>AKDogg
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No such thing as top 10...just the top 18.
LTARmoil ,LTARadio, LTARaptr, LTARazor, LTARcase, LTARcnuk, LTARdude, LTARglok, LTARgrif, LTARhntr, LTARifle, LTARmac, LTARogue, LTARsoup
LTARsqrl, LTARstud, LTARumbl and LTARwasp
hmmmmmm you must still be new to the LTAR's.
One LTARcase has never played the game. he is just the Squads nerd sort of.
LTARdude is retired
LTARwasp can hardly log on due to over work load at home.
the rest are ok sticks. well at lest the ones i know.
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as far as my top 10.
Lambo and i always have fun when we get the chance to fight each other.
joey04 and i always have fun when we fight each other.
my squadies in the DA thats always a blast.
UPTOWN in his pony, only had a couple of fights with him but was a blast and a long arse fight.
thats all i can think about right now.
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as far as my top 10.
Lambo and i always have fun when we get the chance to fight each other.
joey04 and i always have fun when we fight each other.
my squadies in the DA thats always a blast.
UPTOWN in his pony, only had a couple of fights with him but was a blast and a long arse fight.
thats all i can think about right now.
and 2 of those pilots you said i trained
hahahahaha
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I've never claimed to pwn dogg. He and I were remembering when I got verbal on 200 about him picking and we smack talked each other. i picked him in a temp after having to run from a fight were he had better E, I ran away, climbed out and came back the way he'd be rtb. think he had 2 guys he was going vertical on and i nailed him at the top.
he is a very good stick! <S>!
he was having to save other AK's from me and I thought he'd be the type to let a 1v1 play out, but i was wrong that night.
He picked me, I picked him. no chest thumping, mostly just ruffled feathers.
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There's too many Aces (people that kill me with little effort) too name. I can list some I would like to learn from easier.
The numbers are just for counting, not in order.
1. Leviathn
2. AKDogg
3. Nomak
4. WMlute
5. Creton- even though I've spent countless hours in DA with him I still learn from him
6. Skyrock
7. Kamilyun
8. Batfink
9. Lynx
10. Fester
11. ElevenK
12. there are others, just can't think off the top of my head.
while i dont know kamilyun or nomak and have never flown against levi...this is the only list i have seen in here that even comes close to accuracy...kappa would have to be there as well imho...and too leave out blukitty seems silly as well...
some of the other lists are so far off the mark its embarrassing...i dont mean to be rude but if you are not a very strong stick yourself then you really dont know who is or isnt a good stick and should refrain from posting ;)
let me say it a different way and give a tip at the same time...."If you don't cut throttle every fight and drop flaps most of the time...then you dont know who is or isnt a good stick" :aok
i should add one thing...since i only fly bish i have no idea who the strong bish sticks are so my apologies that i haven't named any of my teammates or countrymen...i have nothing to go by to make an accurate judgement :salute
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There are too many good sticks to justify only 10 slots. Each day of the week that list will change depending on so many factors. Many of the really good stick have a tendency to take extended breaks, and when they return, they're rusty as hell. It doesn't take much time for them to start owning again however.
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There are too many good sticks to justify only 10 slots. Each day of the week that list will change depending on so many factors. Many of the really good stick have a tendency to take extended breaks, and when they return, they're rusty as hell. It doesn't take much time for them to start owning again however.
What he said.
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I'm biased but who aren't
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Yeah, were that good.
This guy wins :aok :O :rock
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while i dont know kamilyun or nomak and have never flown against levi...this is the only list i have seen in here that even comes close to accuracy...kappa would have to be there as well imho...and too leave out blukitty seems silly as well...
some of the other lists are so far off the mark its embarrassing...i dont mean to be rude but if you are not a very strong stick yourself then you really dont know who is or isnt a good stick and should refrain from posting ;)
let me say it a different way and give a tip at the same time...."If you don't cut throttle every fight and drop flaps most of the time...then you dont know who is or isnt a good stick" :aok
i should add one thing...since i only fly bish i have no idea who the strong bish sticks are so my apologies that i haven't named any of my teammates or countrymen...i have nothing to go by to make an accurate judgement :salute
Well said.
There are a bunch more that should make the list, including yourself. You pwned me pretty good the other night.Then those you added and there's also
1. Kilz
2. Karaya
3. Jaxxo
4. Birdo(haven't seen in long long time)
5. Agent360
6. Coronado
7. ChainGun
8. Kermit
9. Angry
10. Bear76
and the list goes on.
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while i dont know kamilyun or nomak and have never flown against levi...this is the only list i have seen in here that even comes close to accuracy...kappa would have to be there as well imho...and too leave out blukitty seems silly as well...
some of the other lists are so far off the mark its embarrassing...i dont mean to be rude but if you are not a very strong stick yourself then you really dont know who is or isnt a good stick and should refrain from posting ;)
let me say it a different way and give a tip at the same time...."If you don't cut throttle every fight and drop flaps most of the time...then you dont know who is or isnt a good stick" :aok
i should add one thing...since i only fly bish i have no idea who the strong bish sticks are so my apologies that i haven't named any of my teammates or countrymen...i have nothing to go by to make an accurate judgement :salute
fine Falc im officially taking you off my list :P
naw just kidding i do think you are one of the better sticks out there!!
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I can't speak for the other two, but darn right I suck. Darn proud of it too!
Your right there Cork! A real ace pilot can land in one piece!! :rofl
<S>
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while i dont know kamilyun or nomak and have never flown against levi...this is the only list i have seen in here that even comes close to accuracy...kappa would have to be there as well imho...and too leave out blukitty seems silly as well...
some of the other lists are so far off the mark its embarrassing...i dont mean to be rude but if you are not a very strong stick yourself then you really dont know who is or isnt a good stick and should refrain from posting ;)
let me say it a different way and give a tip at the same time...."If you don't cut throttle every fight and drop flaps most of the time...then you dont know who is or isnt a good stick" :aok
i should add one thing...since i only fly bish i have no idea who the strong bish sticks are so my apologies that i haven't named any of my teammates or countrymen...i have nothing to go by to make an accurate judgement :salute
Don' forget manetmp. :noid
*snicker*
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Anybody can be a ace 1 day and then be crap the next. Iron, most people don't like me because they think I cheat, pick, ho, vulch and can't fight a fair fight. I do all them except cheat, but only on few occations. I ho when ho'd upon. Sometimes I end up ho'in some that don't ho only because the person just before did to me so I start. I vulch when we are trying to take the field (Field suppression). Pick, this I do quite often, mainly when a squady is introuble. But isn't that what wingman are for? I usually don't post in these type of topics because like I said before. There is always someone better then u.
I am usually that squady that he is saving, thus the only way I get to land kills. :D But as of late I have lost a lot of kills because of connection issues. Think this tour alone I lost about 150+ kills to disco-fever... :frown: Oh well, about 10 more days and I wil be back in Wisconsin with a stable connection after 6+ years of crap connection.
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Just like to add one name....JensK. Amazing pilot in the Jug!
(I wish he had time to give me some pointers.)
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Thanks for all the input everyone :salute
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What Widewing said.
One small thing, though. Some players don't push as hard as they could. They're more after having fun than outright victory every single time... Food for thought.
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1. SHawk
2. SkyRock
3. Fester
4. m00t
5. BiPoLaR2
6. Lusche
7. Adonai
8. Barbossa
9. VIOLATER
10. Widewing
I haven't been around but for a year so I'm sure there are lots of others. But these are the only ones ive ever faught/DAed/or Flown with.
#S#
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and too leave out blukitty seems silly as well...
DA doesn't define aces, but first person shooter and skills level : WW2 and MA kind of engagement were/are not 1 vs 1, same plane , CoE and co Alt .
I agree with that, imop ManeTMP/BlueKitty is overall the best fighter i've seen in this game in MA and KOH, (maybe not the best in DA,) but the combination of skills,aggressiveness and amazing awareness and judgement analyzing and engaging multiple tgts involved in a fight. I've seen him and XJ killing 20-30 vulchers or missions in few minutes, and landing 30+ combined.
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One small thing, though. Some players don't push as hard as they could. They're more after having fun than outright victory every single time... Food for thought.
wow. someone who gets it!
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Urchin and I once had a conversation about Moot behind his back. We both agreed he was the absolute best out and out furballer in the game.
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That's funny :)
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The funny thing about lists like this, is they really don't mean a thing beyond name recognition. Some of the names are of guys who haven't flown in a long time. Some are of guys who are very visible in the arenas. Some are of guys who end up on the front of the scores list. Some are on there because of squad affiliation. Who cares really? We all know who we see as good sticks from our own experiences :)
In the end the lists don't really matter as long as folks are having a good time. :aok
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No Guppy. Any of the top boxing athletes are having a lot of fun. Not all of them will score the champion's belt.
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No Guppy. Any of the top boxing athletes are having a lot of fun. Not all of them will score the champion's belt.
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Then Kappa must be the best pilot in Aces High since he won KoTH :)
Not all of us have the time, energy or desire to be the bestest cartoon pilot. I did that once back in airwarrior and I found it the most miserable time of my online flight sim 'career'.
I figure now I can give most anyone a decent fight, but I'm not worried about it. It's more fun for me that way.
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No Guppy. KOTH doesn't systematicaly show who is best at dogfighting. It shows who is best at free-for-all furball dynamics, which favors 'dishonorable' things like cherrypicking.
I don't think being the best cartoon pilot is miserable. It hinges on the same tactical sense as you need to have and follow to successfuly come out on top of a street fistfight. It only strays from real dogfighting in situations like KOTH where cherrypicking, rather than the best effective 1:1 effort, is rewarded.
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3 names i didnt say...and i cant kill them to save my damn life
m00t
NOVA
kappa
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No Guppy. KOTH doesn't systematicaly show who is best at dogfighting. It shows who is best at free-for-all furball dynamics, which favors 'dishonorable' things like cherrypicking.
I don't think being the best cartoon pilot is miserable. It hinges on the same tactical sense as you need to have and follow to successfuly come out on top of a street fistfight. It only strays from real dogfighting in situations like KOTH where cherrypicking, rather than the best effective 1:1 effort, is rewarded.
LOL I should have put my sarcasm tag in there. As near as I can tell that's the only bit where someone comes out on top as designated king of the hill.
I know Kappa is a good stick, I know lots of guys that are good sticks. Anyone of them can win in a given situation and anyone of them can lose.
To try and designate who the best is, just seems pointless. I would consider myself fair at best. That there have been occasions where I've beaten guys who I would consider far better sticks says what? That they're worse or I'm better? Maybe I got lucky that day. Maybe they were having an off day. I don't know. It doesn't matter as most times the response is <S> nice fight.
Is there a core group of AH sticks that in terms of 1 v 1 would rise about the rest? Absolutely. But then you'd better list your top 100. Maybe define it by plane type? How about fighting style? In the end there are too many variables to consider in deciding who is the 'bestest cartoon pilot' in my opinion, and it's just that, an opinion :)
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i was flying an la7 trying to BnZ these P38s one time and then suddenly a 38G comes up my rope a bit further than i expected and shoots me down. SYSTEM: CorkyJr shot you down. he never going to let me live that one down!
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that is what we play for, not that i am better than guppy or that guppy is better than me. we play for the fight and everyone is different.
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It's too easy to cop-out and say it's just your opinion Guppy. I think there is a top 10 or top 20 of the best sticks. Determining it specificaly wouldn't have too many variables to narrow it down, it could be done. But it'd be tedious.
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It's too easy to cop-out and say it's just your opinion Guppy. I think there is a top 10 or top 20 of the best sticks. Determining it specificaly wouldn't have too many variables to narrow it down, it could be done. But it'd be tedious.
:)
We'll agree to disagree :)
Maybe the better question is, which pilots do you know when they meet you 1 v 1 are going to stay around and fight til the end win or lose and will leave you with a sore arm from bending the stick so long. :)
That would be an easier list for me to come up with.
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We'll agree to disagree :)
Maybe the better question is, which pilots do you know when they meet you 1 v 1 are going to stay around and fight til the end win or lose and will leave you with a sore arm from bending the stick so long. :)
That would be an easier list for me to come up with.
Corky you are the most disagreeing pilot in AH!! ;)
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Guppy with all due respect, you're bending the criteria to the subjectivity of each pilot's tendency to get "a sore arm from bending the stick so long". Shane made me sweat, other top pilots that I'd rank (a little) above him didn't.
There's an absolute quantification of killing, dogfighting ability that would grade pilots on a scale, and even if it's a tedious hair splitting matter, like I said, it's still a reality. How good each "pilot" (:P) is, isn't about how easy it is to quantify them as such. If it were though, it would make for a very crowd-pleasing conclusion.
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K, so who wants to go to the DA tonight? :D
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I was the best once, then I got bored of beating up on all you poor saps and stopped caring. I do miss hearing skycrock cry after repeated beat downs though.
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my last fight with you was fun...the one where you at dirt :O
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Well said.
There are a bunch more that should make the list, including yourself. You pwned me pretty good the other night.Then those you added and there's also
1. Kilz
2. Karaya
3. Jaxxo
4. Birdo(haven't seen in long long time)
5. Agent360
6. Coronado
7. ChainGun
8. Kermit
9. Angry
10. Bear76
and the list goes on.
theres a very long list of very skilled sticks. waste of time to even try to post the list. thats why i only posted the ones that i have fun fighting. <S> bro
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Thx for the mention, but in all honesty, I'd have more considered myself an E-fighter unafraid to turn, than a furballer type.
I generally avoided the furballs and preferred to hunt alone or with another more on the edges and usually toward the base they were usng to stage.
I only did sokay in massive furballs, preferring to blow thru and drag a few away for a mugging when possible.
6v1 is *not* a furball!!
:noid
LOL only pilot in my ah since beta, That has ever had 6 guys on him co alt. And when i asked if he nedded help. Answered no i'm fine, But thx for asking. so i stayed up at 10k filmed entire fight. His p51 against spit,la7 and 4 p51s. and shane beat all 6 in 5 mins time. I laugh and posted film on bbs. but 1 of they 6 guys whined about film and it got locked. Never heard anyone else with 3 or more on them say no i'm fine. Have helped others who are on some of these lists and go in kill all 3 guys on their 6 just to get swore at for not doing it inorder they wanted lol. Lastely I'd say fester best over all pilot, Only man ever to shoot all 3 of my bombers at 35k without dying { before 163's). And Kev367th and I would dare others to come up/ we would kill 7 -10 planes fly home. Also seen fest in a a20 fight 3 nikis that had alt they all lost.
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Fester is one of those who likes to take long breaks.
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Thanks for posting my name but,
i am average at my best. My smack talk is why everyone knows me. Not my skillz
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1) Drex
2) Leviathn
3) Everyone else vies for 3rd....
So true.
Not only that, I don't ever recall Drex whining when you shot him down. Nor insisting you fly a certain way. Or getting muted on 200. Or insulting people. He is a class act.
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i know...mostly the ones with my name in them...hahaha
you think im joking but im not
y wouldent u be in the list Bipolar? u r seriously one of the best pilots i know in the game
-BigBOBCH
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I'm very surprised, pleasantly that my name came up. <S> 2fly but I do think I am match for most on these lists, having only six months experience.
I would like to share my mental list with the forum also.
1-Skopr0
2-Adonai
3-AKDogg
4-1olo
5-Greebo
6-Wingzero
7-Flcnwng
8-SHawk
9-LYNX
10-Vanscrew
I itched when i put no 10 in, but well I had to..
Skopr0 and 1olo are squadies with me. They are exceptional and have taught me most of what I know.
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So true.
Not only that, I don't ever recall Drex whining when you shot him down. Nor insisting you fly a certain way. Or getting muted on 200. Or insulting people. He is a class act.
They both were. Years ago, I used to go to the DA with Levi a lot. He was always a class act as well. Perfectly willing to critique, providing the student was willing to listen. Before I went on my 2 year AH vacation, and by the end of his little classroom sessions, the two of us used to split results almost 50/50, which either means that he A.) got tired of me asking to go to the DA and wanted to me to think that I was good enough to spread my own virtual wings or B.) He's a damned good teacher. Probably a little of both with some emphasis on A. ;)
I remember way back, though... who was it he used to fly with as a wingman constantly? Honcho or Honch, maybe? I know it began with an H. The two of them were unstoppable in a furball. Could have been 10v2 on the deck with no E and they'd still wax 8 of bad guys before the inevitable 51 or 190 showed up at just the right angle, speed and position to get hits.
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...he was having to save other AK's from me...
Yeah, okay.... :rolleyes:
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I'm pretty sure his answer to me asking why he picked me was saving squaddies. So, yes it is correct. :salute
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I'm pretty sure his answer to me asking why he picked me was saving squaddies. So, yes it is correct. :salute
Never asked for his help.... He helps without asking, thus being a team player. And if it was helping us, it was probably a numbers issue, kind of like the horde we attract. Oh well, as you were... <S>
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Sketch is correct. U had #'s on your side when I first logged in. I jumped in when I saw 4 on 1, 1 being my squady.
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Not quite how I remember it but you can believe what you want. I wouldn't complain of a pick in a furball, I think he interupted a 1v1 I was winning.
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No Guppy. KOTH doesn't systematicaly show who is best at dogfighting. It shows who is best at free-for-all furball dynamics, which favors 'dishonorable' things like cherrypicking.
I don't think being the best cartoon pilot is miserable. It hinges on the same tactical sense as you need to have and follow to successfuly come out on top of a street fistfight. It only strays from real dogfighting in situations like KOTH where cherrypicking, rather than the best effective 1:1 effort, is rewarded.
A: I don't believe the thread title specified the best "dueler" of Aces High.
B: Being great 1v1 isn't all that impressive if they don't know how manage SA in a multiple threat environment in the context of "Aces High"
C: Dan mentioned the reigning KoTH ToC champ. Which by the way, only takes place once a year, and you have to earn an invitation to participate in it. So to follow up with your comments, I'd like to know which of the ToC (flyboy, myself, blukitty, kappa) winners do not belong on a 'list'?
D: Here's a KoTH film (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/kothclip.ahf) that I posted last year, please point out the 'dishonorable' fighting of the round winner :)
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A: I don't believe the thread title specified the best "dueler" of Aces High.
B: Being great 1v1 isn't all that impressive if they don't know how manage SA in a multiple threat environment in the context of "Aces High"
C: Dan mentioned the reigning KoTH ToC champ. Which by the way, only takes place once a year, and you have to earn an invitation to participate in it. So to follow up with your comments, I'd like to know which of the ToC (flyboy, myself, blukitty, kappa) winners do not belong on a 'list'?
D: Here's a KoTH film (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/kothclip.ahf) that I posted last year, please point out the 'dishonorable' fighting of the round winner :)
Please dont take this the wrong way murdr, but honestly to say winning a Koth amounts to skill is complete fiction. There are many ways to skirt fights, cherry pick, ho etc your way to the end of a round. Im not making a comment on your film as you did act with tact in those fights, but when someone flies in to a 1 on 1 with an excess advantage only to ho one of the other pilots, I dont care how much sa you have you cant always avoid someone when they want to be the 1337 Koth winner.
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Not quite how I remember it but you can believe what you want. I wouldn't complain of a pick in a furball, I think he interupted a 1v1 I was winning.
SA
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I was the best once, then I got bored of beating up on all you poor saps and stopped caring. I do miss hearing skycrock cry after repeated beat downs though.
:rolleyes: You may have had your day with me or so, but no need in posting the reality, huh?
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A: I don't believe the thread title specified the best "dueler" of Aces High.
B: Being great 1v1 isn't all that impressive if they don't know how manage SA in a multiple threat environment in the context of "Aces High"
C: Dan mentioned the reigning KoTH ToC champ. Which by the way, only takes place once a year, and you have to earn an invitation to participate in it. So to follow up with your comments, I'd like to know which of the ToC (flyboy, myself, blukitty, kappa) winners do not belong on a 'list'?
D: Here's a KoTH film (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/kothclip.ahf) that I posted last year, please point out the 'dishonorable' fighting of the round winner :)
I believe the KOTH winner has to have skills, but I've seen winners that were marginal at best.
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Please dont take this the wrong way murdr, but honestly to say winning a Koth amounts to skill is complete fiction. There are many ways to skirt fights, cherry pick, ho etc your way to the end of a round. Im not making a comment on your film as you did act with tact in those fights, but when someone flies in to a 1 on 1 with an excess advantage only to ho one of the other pilots, I dont care how much sa you have you cant always avoid someone when they want to be the 1337 Koth winner.
Well I am going to take that the wrong way. As a KOTH CM and player, U have to have skillz to win the event. When engaged with a 1 vs 1 and u see another coming in (SA) plan your evasive when he arrives. If u don't see him, then I guess U need better SA. When u the Wabbit in the event, U become a big target and usually have 3 on 1. Some can win that, others can't. There are the occasions where someone will less skill wins the event and reason for that is the others concentrate on the bigest threat and forget about the less threat. That person ends up in a 1 vs 1 fights and probably wins it. I have seen it happen, but not often.
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Please dont take this the wrong way murdr, but honestly to say winning a Koth amounts to skill is complete fiction. There are many ways to skirt fights, cherry pick, ho etc your way to the end of a round. Im not making a comment on your film as you did act with tact in those fights, but when someone flies in to a 1 on 1 with an excess advantage only to ho one of the other pilots, I dont care how much sa you have you cant always avoid someone when they want to be the 1337 Koth winner.
I could be mistaken, but I dont recall seeing you at any of the 4 ToCs?
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1.HTC
2.Trainers
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I could be mistaken, but I dont recall seeing you at any of the 4 ToCs?
Im not making a commentary on the TOCs as more about koth in general which i have attended numerous times.
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I tend to stay out of these threads...
From its most simplistic point WW is right on....I think those two have set an almost impossibily high standard over a long eriod of time.
However,
Going beyond that the only real barometer over time is KOTH...
While turnout varies month in and month out you have consistant baseline of "Talent". Winning a single round is a considerable acomplishment a person can be proud of. To go beyond that and become a "rabbit" basically puts a target on your back and "amps up" the pressure. To actually win a KOTH event is no small feat and by itself signifies a pilot who can win repeatedly vs quality opponents on a level playing field. To be a multiple KOTH event winner speaks to a level of consistancy few achieve and to win the TOC speaks volumes...
IMO if you really want an answer of who's "best" look for both a KOTH TOC and 1 or more event wins over all 4 years.
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Again, in plain English (I hope). Dan gave the example of the reigning 2007 KoTH Champ. That example was discounted out of hand because someone was at a few KoTHs, and witnessed someone winning who by skill level probably should not have won (a round? the event?). Therefore from what I gather, the Invitation only championship event that happens once a year is equally as lame? I asked for someone to back that up? All I see is, more "oh well the cherry picker won the run of the mill monthly event this one time".
Which part of this conversation am I not being clear on?
You want to bash a special event, I expect you to back your BS up.
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A: I don't believe the thread title specified the best "dueler" of Aces High.
B: Being great 1v1 isn't all that impressive if they don't know how manage SA in a multiple threat environment in the context of "Aces High"
C: Dan mentioned the reigning KoTH ToC champ. Which by the way, only takes place once a year, and you have to earn an invitation to participate in it. So to follow up with your comments, I'd like to know which of the ToC (flyboy, myself, blukitty, kappa) winners do not belong on a 'list'?
D: Here's a KoTH film (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/kothclip.ahf) that I posted last year, please point out the 'dishonorable' fighting of the round winner :)
A - no
B - neither, but obviously not what I mean
C - KOTH doesn't happen often enough and isn't anymore an absolute measure of "skill" than 1:1 dueling. I wouldn't put any winner of KOTH on a top sticks short list just because he won KOTH.
D - Murdr that KOTH had how many players? It's as good as a 1:1 tournament. The only difference is attrition by damage. It doesn't prove anything anyway about 1:1 vs. furballing as measures of skill.
Well I am going to take that the wrong way. As a KOTH CM and player, U have to have skillz to win the event.
You don't have to be the best 'skillz' to win KOTH. You do have to have the best skillz to win a 1:1. Aggregate 1:1 tournament would be a better measure of skills. KOTH has its novelties, but it has flaws I doubt you guys could fix..
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Again, in plain English (I hope). Dan gave the example of the reigning 2007 KoTH Champ. That example was discounted out of hand because someone was at a few KoTHs, and witnessed someone winning who by skill level probably should not have won (a round? the event?). Therefore from what I gather, the Invitation only championship event that happens once a year is equally as lame? I asked for someone to back that up? All I see is, more "oh well the cherry picker won the run of the mill monthly event this one time".
Which part of this conversation am I not being clear on?
Wrong premise and wrong conclusion. I'm surprised you could be this wrong, Murdr. I didn't "dismiss it out of hand", I said it was such as I said for reasons I explained.
In italics: your interpretation, also wrong.. Don't be ask me to explain things I didn't say.
You want to bash a special event, I expect you to back your BS up.
Aww, 'woe is me, someone's contradicting what I hold true to heart!" :rolleyes:
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Again, in plain English (I hope). Dan gave the example of the reigning 2007 KoTH Champ. That example was discounted out of hand because someone was at a few KoTHs, and witnessed someone winning who by skill level probably should not have won (a round? the event?). Therefore from what I gather, the Invitation only championship event that happens once a year is equally as lame? I asked for someone to back that up? All I see is, more "oh well the cherry picker won the run of the mill monthly event this one time".
Which part of this conversation am I not being clear on?
You want to bash a special event, I expect you to back your BS up.
I think your getting awfully defensive and i say no reason why, im not bashing an event, neither is anyone here, just clearly stateing in english :rolleyes: that your winner from a koth isnt automatically ZOMG THE BEST EVER. I dont believe i used the term lame either. But whatever you want after all your the only one whos opinion counts, right?
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Again, in plain English (I hope). Dan gave the example of the reigning 2007 KoTH Champ. That example was discounted out of hand because someone was at a few KoTHs, and witnessed someone winning who by skill level probably should not have won (a round? the event?). Therefore from what I gather, the Invitation only championship event that happens once a year is equally as lame? I asked for someone to back that up? All I see is, more "oh well the cherry picker won the run of the mill monthly event this one time".
Which part of this conversation am I not being clear on?
You want to bash a special event, I expect you to back your BS up.
I think ToC is a good barometer of talent, but people do get invitations that are marginal skill. On average, though, it is usually the better pilots in there. Winning KOTH or ToC has muchto do with talent and also having things "go your way" that day doesn't hurt either. There are those who do very well in KOTH regularly, and that says alot. I would say that the 4 ToC winners are some of the best sticks in the game. :aok
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Again, in English....
Who has recieved a plaque from HTC for KoTH that has mediocre skills?
Im waiting?
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Again, in English....
Who has recieved a plaque from HTC for KoTH that has mediocre skills?
Im waiting?
You have one right? :devil
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No Guppy. Any of the top boxing athletes are having a lot of fun. Not all of them will score the champion's belt.
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Then Kappa must be the best pilot in Aces High since he won KoTH :)
Not all of us have the time, energy or desire to be the bestest cartoon pilot. I did that once back in airwarrior and I found it the most miserable time of my online flight sim 'career'.
I figure now I can give most anyone a decent fight, but I'm not worried about it. It's more fun for me that way.
No Guppy. KOTH doesn't systematicaly show who is best at dogfighting. It shows who is best at free-for-all furball dynamics, which favors 'dishonorable' things like cherrypicking.
I don't think being the best cartoon pilot is miserable. It hinges on the same tactical sense as you need to have and follow to successfuly come out on top of a street fistfight. It only strays from real dogfighting in situations like KOTH where cherrypicking, rather than the best effective 1:1 effort, is rewarded.
Here it is again m00t, rather than telling me Im wrong, why don't you qualify what you had to say?
If your statement was not as I interpreted it, then say so. Otherwise answer my question.
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OMG quick look over there you guys it's charlie sheen humping a polar bear!! :eek:
*smack* *smack* *sm-smack*sma-ksma-ksmaack**boot to the head*
now all of u stfu
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Batfink! <S>
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something no one has mentioned,
to be a great stick, takes more than being able to judge E, more than great SA, more than knowing your planes ability at all alts, you can have all this but if you are missing one crucial element, you wont be great, GUNNERY, this is the most important of all, cuz if you cant kill the nme when needed you are history!!
my GUNNERY sux :cry :cry :cry :furious :furious
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Same here Ink.
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Again, in English....
Who has recieved a plaque from HTC for KoTH that has mediocre skills?
Im waiting?
This has what to do with what?
To answer your other question a second time, no you didn't interpret it right. As for "bashing" KOTH, that's interpreted wrong too.
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This has what to do with what?
The big event in KoTH is the TOC. That being the case if KoTH has no bearing on skill, I'd like to know an example of a winner of that TOC event who is not skilled. If your argument is correct, there should be an example of it.
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Oh, too much ego to say "that's not what I ment"....It's "your wrong fool"
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Shane was horrible...
Loudmouth la7 dweeb that gets slapped around by the twin engined bus... :aok
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You don't have to be the best 'skillz' to win KOTH. You do have to have the best skillz to win a 1:1. Aggregate 1:1 tournament would be a better measure of skills. KOTH has its novelties, but it has flaws I doubt you guys could fix..
Actually, I don't believe you do have have the best skillz to win a 1:1, a lucky HO, an unlucky collusion or warp, or even a positional FE lag were the shot looks impossible on one players FE, can determine the outcome of the fight regardless of "skill". It happens all the time in AH. But then again, I didn't see where this was limited to the top 10 1 vs 1 list. I bet players are more impressed with the guy who downed them and their two buddies, than with an adversary that commonly beats them 1v1.
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I think your getting awfully defensive and i say no reason why, im not bashing an event, neither is anyone here, just clearly stateing in english :rolleyes: that your winner from a koth isnt automatically ZOMG THE BEST EVER. I dont believe i used the term lame either. But whatever you want after all your the only one whos opinion counts, right?
No, I'm following this line of thinking to it's logical conclusion. KoTH has no bearing on skill. Therefore it stands to reason, that the same applies to the KoTH Championship event also has no bearing on skill. After all, you can't play in that event without winning a regular KoTH (which the winning of has no bearing on skill). The TOC is the same as all the other KoTHs, with the exception of the participants being invited. Therefore, the outcome of that also should have no bearing on skill. Therefore the results should back that up.
See, you can make this about me being petty all you want, I don't care. But I see a hole in this argument, and I won't be shy about pointing it out. Considering the fact that this subject came up with the statement that "Then Kappa must be the best pilot in Aces High since he won KoTH", and he has not won a KoTH since the TOC, then my comments regarding TOC are entirely relevent.
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No, I'm following this line of thinking to it's logical conclusion. KoTH has no bearing on skill. Therefore it stands to reason, that the same applies to the KoTH Championship event also has no bearing on skill. After all, you can't play in that event without winning a regular KoTH (which the winning of has no bearing on skill). The TOC is the same as all the other KoTHs, with the exception of the participants being invited. Therefore, the outcome of that also should have no bearing on skill. Therefore the results should back that up.
See, you can make this about me being petty all you want, I don't care. But I see a hole in this argument, and I won't be shy about pointing it out. Considering the fact that this subject came up with the statement that "Then Kappa must be the best pilot in Aces High since he won KoTH", and he has not won a KoTH since the TOC, then my comments regarding TOC are entirely relevent.
I guess your used to people not arguing with you, but you line of thinking is a broken one. The participant base of Koth is hugley different from the toc, and there are people who will win monthly koths and get toc invites who definatly arent at or near the actuall skill level of most of the toc particepents, which is a huge difference, one or two get by every time and end up in toc. Just because you win a koth does NOT make you better than those who participated, are you willing to argue that?
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I guess your used to people not arguing with you, but you line of thinking is a broken one. The participant base of Koth is hugley different from the toc, and there are people who will win monthly koths and get toc invites who definatly arent at or near the actuall skill level of most of the toc particepents, which is a huge difference, one or two get by every time and end up in toc. Just because you win a koth does NOT make you better than those who participated, are you willing to argue that?
Well if there is a difference in the average skill level make-up of TOC particepents, and a regular KoTH, does that not suggest there is in fact an indicator of skill somewhere? After all, if skill was not a factor, the TOC skill level would be the same as any KoTH?
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ok, i'm a wee bit biased here but....
The four King of the Hill Tourney O' Championships, of which all four I had the pleasure of being a part of, were without a doubt filled with some of the best flying you will ever find in this game. There were incredible fights in each and every round of every TOC. The Kappa Murdr P38 fight was one for the ages and the film of it should be stickied somewhere.
I will admit that there are people that earned an invite to the four TOC's that probably didn't have a that great of a shot at winning three rounds...
BUT I will also add that the list of players who had a very good shot at winning it all was a far longer list. (myself being on the former of course)
Just take a glance at the 2007 TOC invite list.
AKDogg, Allison, Alucard, A8coflys, BearKats, Biggles, BluKitty, Bruv119, Fester, Fianna, Fringe, FX1, Hornet, Jim Beam, Kappa, Lazer, lucine, m00t, Muppy, Murdr, Platano, Scotch, SkyRock, Slash27, Squealer, Stang, TC, TW9, Vlkyrie1, Vudak, WaRLoCkL, WMLute
Out of the thirty two players invited I can name two dozen plus that had a very strong shot at winning it all and could hold their own or flat out beat 99.99% of the players in the game in a 1 on 1.
(somewhat ticked I wasn't on more peoples lists..........)
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ok, i'm a wee bit biased here but....
The four King of the Hill Tourney O' Championships, of which all four I had the pleasure of being a part of, were without a doubt filled with some of the best flying you will ever find in this game. There were incredible fights in each and every round of every TOC. The Kappa Murdr P38 fight was one for the ages and the film of it should be stickied somewhere.
I will admit that there are people that earned an invite to the four TOC's that probably didn't have a that great of a shot at winning three rounds...
BUT I will also add that the list of players who had a very good shot at winning it all was a far longer list. (myself being on the former of course)
Just take a glance at the 2007 TOC invite list.
AKDogg, Allison, Alucard, A8coflys, BearKats, Biggles, BluKitty, Bruv119, Fester, Fianna, Fringe, FX1, Hornet, Jim Beam, Kappa, Lazer, lucine, m00t, Muppy, Murdr, Platano, Scotch, SkyRock, Slash27, Squealer, Stang, TC, TW9, Vlkyrie1, Vudak, WaRLoCkL, WMLute
Out of the thirty two players invited I can name two dozen plus that had a very strong shot at winning it all and could hold their own or flat out beat 99.99% of the players in the game in a 1 on 1.
I agree with this statement. As I have said before, ToC is full of badarses! :aok
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I agree with this statement. As I have said before, ToC is full of badarses! :aok
I see two badarses listed twice in there under different names :)
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Sheesh.. Look at who's gotten his ego tickled here.. First chicken to cluck is the one that laid the egg.
You can win a KOTH at the expense of better sticks, yep. So it follows that KOTH isn't a perfect measure of "skill". How much simpler does it have to get?
I don't know what's gotten your glasses all fogged up, but you're getting ahead of yourself Murdr.
" After all, if skill was not a factor," >> I never said that.
I think it's possible you can't stand that someone as irreverent as myself, that's never bothered to pimp his skills all over a popular event like KOTH, and that you probably haven't seen any "skill" from, might be contradicting you; so that you wouldn't bother to read what I'm saying at face value..
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If you really wanted to make koth more about skill rather than mostly oppertunistic awareness then here with respect are my suggestions.
1. Completely disable icons for all participants. with neon signs a huge % of what real dogfighting is becomes useless.
2. Add wind in undulating layers. the last layer before the cloud base alt cap to be strong force to discourage BnZ and energy hording.(when someone says push to the limits of the evelope they do no mean push to 5,999.9 in a 6k alt cap.) This is a major point. i won a whole koth once and never went above 4500ft even before the starting whistle...then i was lucky and mostly the guys that night know how to handle themself without the speed. i have seen many others winning koths in style without pushing for max allowed altitude whenever not shooting people. the best kill i remember from any koth round i have been in was when i came in to attack Lute in 109Es. he was lower and pulled this rediculous snapshot on his reversal and sawed off my tail. it sticks in my mind because won from total disadvantage. many kills people get on me dont even register 2 minutes later.
3. mute all participating members from the start to when they get shot down or win.
4. if 5 wabbits are up then the game is drawn to sudden death with a 'wabbits only' final battle.
S!
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So it follows that KOTH isn't a perfect measure of "skill".
Face value - It's not perfect...but I'll add it's also not irrelevent. That work?
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Yep, that's already better. I'd mute everyone right off the bat for the round's duration.
You'd need the CM to have icon control. No icons might make the nojoy too unreliable. If icons were forced off by the CM after nojoy was done, that'd work for the best.
And now that I think about it, if this was implemented, KOTH would be near enough to a perfect measure of skill that I'd put it above an aggregated 1:1 league/tournament.
Face value - It's not perfect...but I'll add it's also not irrelevent. That work?
Where did I say it was irrelevent?
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this is inane for a point of discusion. In my Head this is the points what you both keep reapeting over and over..
M00t
"why dont we all make a film of ourselves landing P47s on a carrier? that takes skill just like koth does. they are both single elements of what makes a good player in this game skill wise. you cannot grade everything on koth TOC"
Murdr
"hey look i was in TOC too guys, dont forget about me just cause im a trainer"
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this is inane for a point of discusion. In my Head this is the points what you both keep reapeting over and over..
M00t
"why dont we all make a film of ourselves landing P47s on a carrier? that takes skill just like koth does. they are both single elements of what makes a good player in this game skill wise. you cannot grade everything on koth TOC"
Murdr
"hey look i was in TOC too guys, dont forget about me just cause im a trainer"
How right you are..
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You've certianly downplayed any relevence it may have on skill from the get go, tacking on words like 'dishonorable'.
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Byte me B@tfink. If I wanted attention I'd be pleanty more vocal.
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Bat - What? :lol
Alright I'll try and be as concise as I can: This thread is talking about "Top 10 aces of aces" of Aces High. Aces High is an air combat game.. We know it as dogfighting/furballing, and there's a few different ways to fight, which KOTH sort of brings together, but not quite, and that a 1:1 tournament complements and this with less discrepency (no guys organizing hunts on players nor dweeby noobs picking off the "better" players (remember this thread is about "top 10 aces of aces))...
There's also some intangibles like how "classy" someone is, etc.
So it's pretty obvious KOTH isn't the single be-all end-all measure of "skill". Not only because it doesn't cover everything, but because it has a few flaws.
Much ado about nothing :lol
And yes Murdr, there's some pretty dishonorable things you can do in KOTH, not the least hide as much as the rules allow and/or pick off guys without really earning victory and/or toning down the fight like I did to Lute.
Or sending guys out after players.. Especialy questionable when you're a "CM":
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3183/2448269386_dde9ac582d_o.png)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2080/2447451459_f6491ed432_o.png)
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hehe murdr just trying to lighten the mood, i know you dont have a thin skin.
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I've been wanting to use HT's "Byte me" for awhile, thx for the opportunity :)
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Bat - What? :lol
Alright I'll try and be as concise as I can: This thread is talking about "Top 10 aces of aces" of Aces High. Aces High is an air combat game.. We know it as dogfighting/furballing, and there's a few different ways to fight, which KOTH sort of brings together, but not quite, and that a 1:1 tournament complements and this with less discrepency (no guys organizing hunts on players nor dweeby noobs picking off the "better" players (remember this thread is about "top 10 aces of aces))...
There's also some intangibles like how "classy" someone is, etc.
So it's pretty obvious KOTH isn't the single be-all end-all measure of "skill". Not only because it doesn't cover everything, but because it has a few flaws.
Much ado about nothing :lol
And yes Murdr, there's some pretty dishonorable things you can do in KOTH, not the least hide as much as the rules allow and/or pick off guys without really earning victory and/or toning down the fight like I did to Lute.
Or sending guys out after players.. Especialy questionable when you're a "CM":
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3183/2448269386_dde9ac582d_o.png)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2080/2447451459_f6491ed432_o.png)
ouch lute...whats up with that dude?
that is so not cool in a lot of ways
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There are a few intangables 1v1 tourneys don't cover. One is what I mentioned earlier, the guy that mops up 3 or 4 vs 1...Not all 1v1 types are adept at that.
Another is the whole dynamic of....See if I can explain this properly. Player A commonly whips Player B. Player B has something in his techique that outflies Player C. Player C beats Player A the majority of the time. Who wins? Depends on how the bracket shakes out, and who is having a good or bad night.
Another is, you put the guy that thrives in the MA environment but doesn't duel vs The guy that duels religiously, but doesn't do the furball thing much. Obviously the dueler has the advantage in that format, but is he a better "ace"? Depends on who you ask.
Regarding widewings list... They both figured out and refined some pretty cool techniques (not to mention talent), and were just so far ahead of everyone else at the time. A couple have come close for short periods since then, but nobody has really stuck out so promenently above the crowd. All the best sticks (and they know who they are), are so close to each other that one little thing can make the difference on a given day.
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Barbossa is very good.
too good :noid
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Right.. The only thing wrong with what you said, is that the guy who thrives in the MA but can't fly 1:1 much at all, doesn't get a spot in "Top 10 aces of aces". And vice versa.
Specializing in only one category, you'd have to be litteraly miles and miles above the competition to earn mention in such a top 10.
Barbossa is very good.
too good :noid
Yep, bleeding blue ichor doesn't count. No top 10 for Barbie.
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First off I p.m.'d that TO BluKitty. You gonna tell me you got "issues" with me telling a player their own location? IIRC kitty was all alone out there and I didn't want him to think nobody noticed.
As far as the second screen shot m00t provided is concerned, it is quite out of context and really without the full text of the convo it isn't even worthy of further discussion.
Bringing in my status as a CM into the picture, well, that again is just silly, and also not really worthy of further discussion. I have flown KOTH's for the betterment of the KOTH as opposed to the betterment of my ego for years now. I quit caring about my 'winning' a looooooong time ago.
Much thanks to m00t for the screen shot showing that your squad does indeed "communicate" with each other on squad channel during King of the Hill. A very clear violation of the rules btw.
Thanks again m00t.
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Um, did Lute just accuse my squad of cheating when we've only got 1 guy who flies KOTH, to defend himself for doing something that admittedly looks blatantly stupid and/or outside the scope of the rules?
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wow this thread has went to hell fast
went from top 10 aces to rules in koth to calling out squads =/
and this is the very reason i talk smack to you morons...good lord
you are so damn easy to get pissed
or start throwing bs around...w00t
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:noid
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:noid
you can say that again :noid :lol :lol :lol
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Um, did Lute just accuse my squad of cheating when we've only got 1 guy who flies KOTH, to defend himself for doing something that admittedly looks blatantly stupid and/or outside the scope of the rules?
FYI if you REALLY think I broke KOTH rules then you can bring it to the attention of fuzeman, AKDogg, or ROC. I actually remember both those occurance and would be more than happy to provide my take on what was happening at the time.
(edit: sorry hub, I put a B/K where an AOM should have been I guess... edited the post just now. y'all look the same to me anyway.... :lol )
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FYI if you REALLY think I broke KOTH rules then you can bring it to the attention of fuzeman, AKDogg, or ROC. I actually remember both those occurance and would be more than happy to provide my take on what was happening at the time.
I done the same thing when i got busted by the cops. Told them my side of the story. I didnt care if it was true or not..i was only trying to get my arse out of trouble
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FYI if you REALLY think I broke KOTH rules then you can bring it to the attention of fuzeman, AKDogg, or ROC. I actually remember both those occurance and would be more than happy to provide my take on what was happening at the time.
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one muppet not the squad as a whole
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FYI if you REALLY think I broke KOTH rules then you can bring it to the attention of fuzeman, AKDogg, or ROC.
From now on, there will be shadow of doubt over every KOTH event. What were you thinking? Ever heard "lead by example"?
would be more than happy to provide my take on what was happening at the time.
Don't. You'll just make it worse.
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one muppet not the squad as a whole
two actually.
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two actually.
well 2 out of 32 ... still not the the squad as a whole bud
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Has anyone said me yet?
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Has anyone said me yet?
Don't think so, but I can if you want.
Me
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From now on, there will be shadow of doubt over every KOTH event. What were you thinking? Ever heard "lead by example"?
Don't. You'll just make it worse.
Ok, now you are just being silly. There is no "worse" as there was never a "wrong" as far as my actions were concerned. I have no desire, nor feel the need, to "justify" my actions in this situation. Again, I would be more than happy to "fill in the blanks" to the appropriate people IF they feel the need for it. (Which is more than doubtfull)
(I have GOT to quit feeding the trolls around here......)
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Ok, now you are just being silly. There is no "worse" as there was never a "wrong" as far as my actions were concerned.
Somebody posts screenshots of you 'fixing' the fights, yet you walk over and instead accuse others of cheating. Now is me who's silly? :rofl
I have no desire, nor feel the need, to "justify" my actions in this situation. Again, I would be more than happy to "fill in the blanks" to the appropriate people IF they feel the need for it. (Which is more than doubtfull)
Now you sound like corrupt politician...
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corrupt politician?
Wtf Barb...arent they all like that
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this is getting fun
cheating in an on-line internet game - who would have thought ;)
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Bat - What? :lol
Alright I'll try and be as concise as I can: This thread is talking about "Top 10 aces of aces" of Aces High. Aces High is an air combat game.. We know it as dogfighting/furballing, and there's a few different ways to fight, which KOTH sort of brings together, but not quite, and that a 1:1 tournament complements and this with less discrepency (no guys organizing hunts on players nor dweeby noobs picking off the "better" players (remember this thread is about "top 10 aces of aces))...
There's also some intangibles like how "classy" someone is, etc.
So it's pretty obvious KOTH isn't the single be-all end-all measure of "skill". Not only because it doesn't cover everything, but because it has a few flaws.
Much ado about nothing :lol
And yes Murdr, there's some pretty dishonorable things you can do in KOTH, not the least hide as much as the rules allow and/or pick off guys without really earning victory and/or toning down the fight like I did to Lute.
Or sending guys out after players.. Especialy questionable when you're a "CM":
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This is certainly a post that deserves some cogitation.
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Right.. The only thing wrong with what you said, is that the guy who thrives in the MA but can't fly 1:1 much at all, doesn't get a spot in "Top 10 aces of aces". And vice versa.
Specializing in only one category, you'd have to be litteraly miles and miles above the competition to earn mention in such a top 10.
That's not exactly what I was saying. I didn't say the guy cant fly 1v1. I said one duels a lot and one doesn't. If you want to base everything on a dueling tourney, then it obviously favors the one who practices all the time under those specific rules.
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Holy Moly!
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That's not exactly what I was saying. I didn't say the guy cant fly 1v1. I said one duels a lot and one doesn't. If you want to base everything on a dueling tourney, then it obviously favors the one who practices all the time under those specific rules.
Well, we could have a ganbang, cherry picking, and have the advantage tourney also, but don't you think that the guy that wins the 1 vs 1 tourney will most likely win those too? What is the skill he is missing?
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1) Drex
2) Leviathn
3) Everyone else vies for 3rd....
My regards,
Widewing
Funny Karma WW ... Drex asked Levi for an invite back into the squad the day after you posted this.
Keep your eyes open people.
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I forgot to what extent wittle boys get their panties in a bunch. You all really ought to look at it from afar as I have.
You guys are WAY too silly.
I'm comin back cuz I like miss my hair being on fire..
..I don't wear panties so I'm safe from all the rest.
Cya's up.
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That's not exactly what I was saying. I didn't say the guy cant fly 1v1. I said one duels a lot and one doesn't. If you want to base everything on a dueling tourney, then it obviously favors the one who practices all the time under those specific rules.
You aren't reading my posts. I said word for word that KOTH and 1:1 ladders/tournies complement each other to give a more complete and thorough measure of "skill". I said one of them had certain flaws in that respect, and that another had less of those flaws despite it being a more narrow evalutation..
If the goal is a top 10 list, it's doubtful anyone could make it that was any less than very proficient at each and every type of combat, like I said.
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This is certainly a post that deserves some cogitation.
Find some way to get CMs the power to remove icons (or limit them to range+planetype) after the no-joy, and mute all players anywhere but on one open channel (no PMs, no squad text), and strictly limit them to range when in the tower, and KOTH would be a lot more fun and challenging.
A slow radar dot update would still stop the wabbits from avoiding fights, but without the gameid icon, players would actualy have to make an effort to get a shot at the wabbit.
This is a pretty much official event for AH, so it really ought to have HTC's attention. It'd be an improvement very worthy of the effort, I think.
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Well, we could have a ganbang, cherry picking, and have the advantage tourney also, but don't you think that the guy that wins the 1 vs 1 tourney will most likely win those too? What is the skill he is missing?
I wouldn't add those categories but I think additional points would be...
Dissimilar AC dueling
1 vs Many (KOTH does provide this environment but it can be avoided)
Many vs Many (2v2, 3v3)
Admittedly the latter is difficult to judge an individual pilots skill as it takes skill as part of a team rather then as an individual.
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Maybe we should just drop the Top 10 thingy? Everyone has some pilots that he respects for skill, or that he respects for attitude & manners (I place that WAY above any "skillz" in cartoon planes) and enjoys flying with or against them
Such Top 10 lists suffer from lack of common criterias, favoritism, underestimation of low-profile players in off-peak timezone, "aces were much better in AH1" nostalgica and so on. They are as valid & useful as other crappy lists like "500 Greates Albums of All Time"
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Well said.
There are a bunch more that should make the list, including yourself. You pwned me pretty good the other night.Then those you added and there's also
1. Kilz
2. Karaya
3. Jaxxo
4. Birdo(haven't seen in long long time)
5. Agent360
6. Coronado
7. ChainGun
8. Kermit
9. Angry
10. Bear76
and the list goes on.
Any list that includes Karaya is not worth salt in my opinion!!!! :lol
<S>
Karaya
Spazzy
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Any list that contains Jaxxo and Birdback, but not me, is obviously worthless.
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any list that contains my name is worthless =/
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< owns BiP!
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I know that KoTh has its flaws...but for those guys making top ten lists I think it is a great wakeup call to fly a few rounds and get pwned by guys you have never heard of or seen before
And for any imperfections KoTh is great..i wish i could make some more :saluteof them but they always seem to be out of synch with my schedule...
For my money they are too long...I have never flown more then a few rounds at a time and I want action too much to be "smart". But it is a blast and more should give it a shot!
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Maybe it should be required that all participants of KOTH film their flight and send it in before anyone is called a winner. If you don't send your film in, you can't participate in the next one. Just an idea.
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< owns BiP!
and yes you have a couple of times...but i have you a couple...you are one of the best fights i can get
i love my scotchy poo
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I said word for word that KOTH and 1:1 ladders/tournies complement each other to give a more complete and thorough measure of "skill".
So you did. I agree.
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What is the skill he is missing?
The en vouge trick duel move of the month club newsletter. I've seen a lot of things in duels that you don't come across in the arenas...Or if you do, you laugh, because you're under no obligation to immediately 5G reverse back and nibble on the bait. I remember haning out in the DA years ago with a pretty good pilot who does not normally duel. He was perplexed with a merge another guy was using. I tried to explain to him the geometry of what was going on, and IIRC he adapted to it then. So was that pilot like not skilled because he wasn't up to date on the latest trick dueling move?
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Maybe we should just drop the Top 10 thingy? Everyone has some pilots that he respects for skill, or that he respects for attitude & manners (I place that WAY above any "skillz" in cartoon planes) and enjoys flying with or against them
Such Top 10 lists suffer from lack of common criterias, favoritism, underestimation of low-profile players in off-peak timezone, "aces were much better in AH1" nostalgica and so on. They are as valid & useful as other crappy lists like "500 Greates Albums of All Time"
No way! It's good entertainment. If nothing else I get a good laugh out of some names being brought up.
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Find some way to get CMs the power to remove icons (or limit them to range+planetype) after the no-joy, and mute all players anywhere but on one open channel (no PMs, no squad text), and strictly limit them to range when in the tower, and KOTH would be a lot more fun and challenging.
A slow radar dot update would still stop the wabbits from avoiding fights, but without the gameid icon, players would actualy have to make an effort to get a shot at the wabbit.
This is a pretty much official event for AH, so it really ought to have HTC's attention. It'd be an improvement very worthy of the effort, I think.
1 Arena Icon settings for CMs is on the CM wishlist. Until then we were hoping people would stand tall and obey the rules in the events they prticipate in. IMO thats not too much to ask for but I guess I've been proven completely wrong on that account.
2 In order for people to fly to the closest fight they need timely radar updates.
3 IMO, HTC has bigger fish to fry dealing with Combat Tour, updating things that need updating and fixing things that need fixing.
and again, If the people in KOTH actually obeyed the rules, 90% of these problems would not crop up. Again, I was incorrect in thinking people would actually obey the rules that we go over and are in print.
Maybe it should be required that all participants of KOTH film their flight and send it in before anyone is called a winner. If you don't send your film in, you can't participate in the next one. Just an idea.
A]That would definately add to the KOTH CMs workload and we usually try to get results out soon as we can. But even this is not a perfect fix. The [edit>]mentally challenged, clueless dolt, person stuck with an ID10T error[<edit] who break the rules will usually slither around and try to break them again as soon as you fix them.
Truely a shame you have to dumb down as much as possible for the lowest idiot common denominator as opposed to treating people with some respect and expecting some respect back. A total arena mute wouldn't fix anything either.
I always relied on peoples honor when participating in KOTH, and it seems there isn't much. How silly of me to expect people to be honorable when flying in KOTH.
Maybe this event is unrunable the way it should be run with the present players and tools the CM can use.
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Fuze you are a rep of HTC as a CM
i dont think you calling ppl idiots and dumb looks to good
try to word it a bit different bud
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"IDIOTs who break the rules"...Well they are... hmm...replacement words, how about "morons"? "dolts"? "buttheads"? <shrug>
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"IDIOTs who break the rules"...Well they are... hmm...replacement words, how about "morons"? "dolts"? "buttheads"? <shrug>
wow dude you have a smartazz answer for everything dont ya?
im not about to get in to a typing fight with ya
what i was saying as Reps of HTC i dont think you should be calling ppl out like that and throwing names around
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BP, he's right.
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right?
never said he was wrong
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Alot of the names on the following posted list I have seen in game and have shot them down many times. Many players in the game have their niche in the way they fly. Many perfer the turn and burn, many perfer the Boom and Zoom, and many many perfer the HO above all. but for my money I can only think of 1 flier that I respect above all others in a fighter and that is Stang. In bombers 999000 and tatertot are very deadly if your attack on them isnt perfect. I have no problem attacking any bombers and bombers are first on my hit list anything else is a snack. Many of the names on peoples list I have never heard of let alone even seen in game. You cant base a fliers skill on the score one piles up because there are ways to bend the scoring system in ones favor with out ever seeing another player. there are ways to bend the system while flying ACM to gain an advantage over another plane which I dont think the programers intended to have used while in combat. I for one dont take short cuts I play the game the way it was intended to be played IMO. Case in point the use of trim tabs while in combat. Trim wasnt ment for combat it was intended to trim out a plane for even keel flying hands off, to keep the plane trim as fuel tanks, ammo and ordnance were expended. One can see in an instant if the other flier is using trim to gain tighter turns while in ACM manuvers. If one is in a pure turn and burn plane using trim that plane will be that much better in a fight. if you take the 2 same planes with same loadout and one flier uses trim and the other doesnt I can tell you which plane will come out the winner good stick or great stick it doesnt matter the trim plane will win. My top 5 picks and their planes are as follows Stang P-51, Blukitty Spitfire, Livi Spitfire, Fester 109, Shane La7
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Just an FYI to anyone...
The only time trim would help your turn rate is if your stick is already full back, and you still need more elevator. This would only be the case at higher speeds in some planes where you can not exert enof stick force.
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Hold the phone I totally forgot about this other flier Murdr p38 that makes 6 on my list
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Alot of the names on the following posted list I have seen in game and have shot them down many times. Many players in the game have their niche in the way they fly. Many perfer the turn and burn, many perfer the Boom and Zoom, and many many perfer the HO above all. but for my money I can only think of 1 flier that I respect above all others in a fighter and that is Stang. In bombers 999000 and tatertot are very deadly if your attack on them isnt perfect. I have no problem attacking any bombers and bombers are first on my hit list anything else is a snack. Many of the names on peoples list I have never heard of let alone even seen in game. You cant base a fliers skill on the score one piles up because there are ways to bend the scoring system in ones favor with out ever seeing another player. there are ways to bend the system while flying ACM to gain an advantage over another plane which I dont think the programers intended to have used while in combat. I for one dont take short cuts I play the game the way it was intended to be played IMO. Case in point the use of trim tabs while in combat. Trim wasnt ment for combat it was intended to trim out a plane for even keel flying hands off, to keep the plane trim as fuel tanks, ammo and ordnance were expended. One can see in an instant if the other flier is using trim to gain tighter turns while in ACM manuvers. If one is in a pure turn and burn plane using trim that plane will be that much better in a fight. if you take the 2 same planes with same loadout and one flier uses trim and the other doesnt I can tell you which plane will come out the winner good stick or great stick it doesnt matter the trim plane will win. My top 5 picks and their planes are as follows Stang P-51, Blukitty Spitfire, Livi Spitfire, Fester 109, Shane La7
Shane? No way in hell is the the best in the La7. Sorry. He's good, but not THAT good.
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m00t, do me a favor? Please send me the entire film those screenshots were taken from.
fuzeman at hitechcreations dot com
Thank-you.
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I didn't mean for you guys to review every film, just save them in case there are any questions in the future. Just like some sports take blood samples, but don't process them unless questions arise.
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I didn't mean for you guys to review every film, just save them in case there are any questions in the future. Just like some sports take blood samples, but don't process them unless questions arise.
We tried that once, I forget exactly which KOTH it was, but the one I hosted and requested films, I only got 1.
Maybe at a minimum, I'd have to receive a film to validate the round win, then if any questions arise I'd watch them. I just might go that route.
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Maybe at a minimum, I'd have to receive a film to validate the round win, then if any questions arise I'd watch them. I just might go that route.
That would probably be the most effective route.
P.S. Having to make decisions with limited information is difficult, to say the least.
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We tried that once, I forget exactly which KOTH it was, but the one I hosted and requested films, I only got 1.
Maybe at a minimum, I'd have to receive a film to validate the round win, then if any questions arise I'd watch them. I just might go that route.
Is there anything you can do with Text? like PMs
cause ill say it right here
Lute has a thing for Muppets (for lack of more vulgar words)
He .wingmans us and singles us out them PMs the info.
Tell me if im lying Lute. Please tell me im lying
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Sorry, hit quote instead of modify by mistake.
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Sure..
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Is there anything you can do with Text? like PMs
cause ill say it right here
Lute has a thing for Muppets (for lack of more vulgar words)
He .wingmans us and singles us out them PMs the info.
Tell me if im lying Lute. Please tell me im lying
Love to.
Y'er lying.
I don't have a "thing" for the Muppets. Far from it. I like, and thought I was on a friendly basis, with some in that squad.
The premise that I single out any single squad is rediculous.
Don't just "say it" bipolar, POST it. Just don't just post a single out of context line. Let's see filims of the convo's or at the very least screen shots of the WHOLE conversation. Granted, film is the only "concrete" proof you could provide, and that would be the preferred medium.
Best to take this to the King of the Hill forum as we have hijacked this thread long enough. I will go start a thread now in the KOTH forum so you can post screen shots of those complete conversations you imply you have for us all.
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The en vouge trick duel move of the month club newsletter. I've seen a lot of things in duels that you don't come across in the arenas...Or if you do, you laugh, because you're under no obligation to immediately 5G reverse back and nibble on the bait. I remember haning out in the DA years ago with a pretty good pilot who does not normally duel. He was perplexed with a merge another guy was using. I tried to explain to him the geometry of what was going on, and IIRC he adapted to it then. So was that pilot like not skilled because he wasn't up to date on the latest trick dueling move?
Well, yes. Isn't that what is all about? You have a bag of tricks and you try to pull the right one out to kill the bad guy. After you pass a level of skill in a plane, I think what your handling and knowledge of the plane should be equal. So, whats is left to make the difference? Out smarting or out flying your opponent. He will be a less skilled pilot if his bag of skills is smaller or if he cannot pick the right trick out the bag.
Guess what, I look behind me after the merge. If the guy is not pulling a 5G turn I don't either. That would be pulling the wrong trick.
What is your definition of a skill anyway? Maybe we are just talking about different things.
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Again, in English....
Who has recieved a plaque from HTC for KoTH that has mediocre skills?
Im waiting?
Murdr, you're not bad, but there are quite a few guys that are better sticks than you. Stop puffing your chest and posturing.
Winning a KOTH is not the be-all end-all of skill in this game. It depends HOW you win it, but oftentimes the winner is whoever is best at avoiding hard fights until almost everyone is dead, or whoever is best at making sure they're the third or fourth man in to a fight at the start of the round. You've participated in enough koths by now that you should know that as well as I do. Hell, a few of the KOTHs I've won were largely due to people picking the planes I'm best in.
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That won't be much of a issue soon wetrat. We got a new map about to be released for koth that has 20 thru 80 mile circles. Gonna be more 1vs 1 competition then before. Be plenty of room for everyone. Right now the largest circle we have I believe is 40 miles.
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When thinking about the best, after reading some of these lists, I can add 5 more every time i consider it for 5 mins.
There are really too many to list and too many lists to just pick top ten. There are the most...disciplined...like SHawk etc..the best wingmen, the most agressive, and then you have the most raw talent, and don't forget the specialists who have mastered their particular plane or planes after flying them for so many years. Don't forget those that learn at an amazing rate and those that are too lazy to try to improve. (I'm in this list these days :() and the best DAers, best KOTHers, etc, etc... There are more lists I'm sure. I find myself thinking most of the ole AW crew and the early AH crew mainly because I'm old fashioned and pine for "the good ole days" But there are some fairly new guys that do very well, but I'll never tell em :D I find myself slipping backwards down any list I ever made as I just want to find the red dar bar and see how many I can get first!
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Murdr, you're not bad, but there are quite a few guys that are better sticks than you. Stop puffing your chest and posturing.
Winning a KOTH is not the be-all end-all of skill in this game. It depends HOW you win it, but oftentimes the winner is whoever is best at avoiding hard fights until almost everyone is dead, or whoever is best at making sure they're the third or fourth man in to a fight at the start of the round. You've participated in enough koths by now that you should know that as well as I do. Hell, a few of the KOTHs I've won were largely due to people picking the planes I'm best in.
my money is on wetrat
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Murdr, you're not bad, but there are quite a few guys that are better sticks than you. Stop puffing your chest and posturing.
Winning a KOTH is not the be-all end-all of skill in this game. It depends HOW you win it, but oftentimes the winner is whoever is best at avoiding hard fights until almost everyone is dead, or whoever is best at making sure they're the third or fourth man in to a fight at the start of the round. You've participated in enough koths by now that you should know that as well as I do. Hell, a few of the KOTHs I've won were largely due to people picking the planes I'm best in.
Beaver, do you do stand-up too? I believe...I could be wrong, that if the list was of top chest thumpers in the game, my name would rarely, if ever come up. I'm fairly confident some of your known associates would make frequent appearences though. So if that is a pet peeve of yours, you might want to look elsewhere first.
I neither said KoTH was the be all end all of skill, nor did I claim to be the best a anything in the game. What I read when I browsed this thread was nothing but negative discounting of KoTH (whether that was the intention or not). One neat thing about KoTH is that there is absolutely nothing in the design that tells you how to fight. Only that you must be in or heading to a fight at all times. All aspects of air combat are an option, and those who have a diverse bag of tricks do well. If a lessor pilot wins a KoTH, it's typically the collective fault of the participants for allowing that to happen, not the event format.
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thats all very well and good murdr.
i want to know WTF is going on when a decent guy like Bosco is banned for an entire month....not only that but disgraced on the forum by all the koth CMs and alot of the players....and what for?
typing private messages to his friend, nothing more than 'damn, these guys are really good, im dying alot'. Bosco even had the courage to come forward and own up, and take his retarded punishment.
To what? to set an EXAMPLE to the the players of koth
never did bosco type 'blukitty is so and so lets kill so and so'.
AND you cheeky f**kers had the nerve to ban Bosco as an EXAMPLE.
The WMLute and the ENTIRE koth management team owe Bosco a public appology, that is the only way you are going to stop 90% of the koth player base from considering koth now a complete joke.
no bullchit replies to this, just a public appology to Bosco and we all move on swiftly.
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P.O.T.H "pickfest on the hill"
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thats all very well and good murdr.
i want to know WTF is going on when a decent guy like Bosco is banned for an entire month....not only that but disgraced on the forum by all the koth CMs and alot of the players....and what for?
typing private messages to his friend, nothing more than 'damn, these guys are really good, im dying alot'. Bosco even had the courage to come forward and own up, and take his retarded punishment.
To what? to set an EXAMPLE to the the players of koth
never did bosco type 'blukitty is so and so lets kill so and so'.
AND you cheeky f**kers had the nerve to ban Bosco as an EXAMPLE.
The WMLute and the ENTIRE koth management team owe Bosco a public appology, that is the only way you are going to stop 90% of the koth player base from considering koth now a complete joke.
no bullchit replies to this, just a public appology to Bosco and we all move on swiftly.
Before u go any further, I suggest u be patient and stop right there. Fuzeman and I are dealing with the situation as we speak! Don't restart something that alrdy got stopped elsewhere in the forums as there will be reprocutions from HTC.
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Before u go any further, I suggest u be patient and stop right there. Fuzeman and I are dealing with the situation as we speak! Don't restart something that alrdy got stopped elsewhere in the forums as there will be reprocutions from HTC.
Quite bluntly, stick that up your backside, AKdogg. If HTC ban me for freespeach then i shall take that punishment hopefully in as noble a manner as Bosco did.
The only exception i can think of that makes it ok is if Bosco is one of your CM's shade accounts, and that wont be very impressive..
If there is not a public apology To Bosco and his squad from WMlute and the Koth team I for one will most likely not fly your event again.
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As far as the KOTH team is concerned, we do apologize for this but that still doesn't fix it. WMLute will have to do his own apologize for his actions if what he truely did do what those SS's showed. Like I said early in another posts, SS's prove nothing to me as they can be photoshopped (not saying that AOM has), I only believe films. That is what fuzeman and I are talking about. Now I not gonna go into details with u on this so U just gonna have to stay tuned.
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my money is on wetrat
poor bet *shrug*
ack-ack
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Quite bluntly...
Easy there Bat. No point to get banned, that'd be silly. AKDogg said they'll check films firstly, which is prudent thing to do.
As far as apology to Bosco, he did break the rule. I think if and when apology is in order, then it is to all KOTH participants.
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i appreciate that you explain such things to me dogg although they effect my thinking little on this matter, for whatever my thoughts are worth. I have no problem with the muppets or with WMlute, infact i have high opinions of both sides of the feud there. No idea why so many people are ganging on lute right now im staying out of that.
My issue is obvious to you from my rants above and the priciples at stake have no bearing from any further investigation of those screen shots. it can only Hurt koth and Lute and the muppets.
What seemed like a blatant publicity stunt by the koth team, albeit for a good cause, turned very nasty when the example made of a certain player was jumped all over by many people pointing fingers. Despite the obvious hypocracy of that discipline thread the message of honour and rules in koth just about got through intact.
No matter what those screens turn out to mean... the message that was delivered by sacrificing an honest player to help better the koth environment has been totaly destroyed.
those responsible for posting the screenshots are just as responsible for breaking that message as the PM from lute. never the less it is lute and the koth team who owed one certain player a big appology.
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Let's please do as Dogg suggested.
TRUST me the "powers that be" are all over this.
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poor bet *shrug*
ack-ack
I had a good laugh at this comment...
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why isent me DPQ5 in any of those listed, you guys makin mistakes
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Let's please do as Dogg suggested.
TRUST me the "powers that be" are all over this.
sorry, but remind how that sentance of yours there is good for koth.
getting the boss envolved because the evidence was so strong is never a good way to fight your case.
Dogg has expressed his concern for the issue i raised and accepted that maybe everyone is a little to blame here. Why can you not let hitech have some time away from us kids eh? bosco (wabbit last koth) knows the score here, how bout you appologise to him lute and see if people respect that. But well only if you mean it, if you truly feel no blame here then i will take your word on it, no need to cause more fuss.
other than that I dont even know why im in this thread now other than maybe to give the hordes of lute-ites some sleep i dont know...
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Which was it Bat, did Bosco only chatter about random things in that KOTH, or was the squad text what allowed him to win?
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<<<<<will own all lol :aok
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he was banned for a month back in febuary round abouts. missed one koth then was allowed back this month and made wabbit i believe. his offence was openly admiting without prompt that he had type a few 'ouch i got shot to bits' type PMs to his friend and that he did not realise it was wrong. he wouldnt do it again. his confesion and resolution were not enough and he was made an example of for having fun and being honest.
now it looks like strings are going to be pulled to avoid any unpleasantness resulting this current poop slide. how fortunate for the offender this time.
i am out now, i like my account here.
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Fuze, I emailed you but it looks like the email got burped or something, I can't even see it in my outbox. Pls PM me or post here if you got it.
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I don't believe "PMing" per se was the issue, but PMing from the tower to someone still flying.
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he was banned for a month back in febuary round abouts. missed one koth then was allowed back this month and made wabbit i believe. his offence was openly admiting without prompt that he had type a few 'ouch i got shot to bits' type PMs to his friend and that he did not realise it was wrong. he wouldnt do it again. his confesion and resolution were not enough and he was made an example of for having fun and being honest.
now it looks like strings are going to be pulled to avoid any unpleasantness resulting this current poop slide. how fortunate for the offender this time.
i am out now, i like my account here.
He go banned for THAT?! Hell, I was always talking smack to squaddies in KOTH when I played this game...
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Fuze, I emailed you but it looks like the email got burped or something, I can't even see it in my outbox. Pls PM me or post here if you got it.
PM sent m00t.
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My stance on things:
From my understanding, it did seem that Bosco was "made an example of." Nobody called him out on using text during a KOTH event. Instead, he said that he did do it, without prompt. He then stated that he didn't know that it was against the rules to pm stuff along the lines of "dang these guys are good, they just flat out killed me, etc," once everyone started 'calling him out on it.' He then issued an apology an said that he would take whatever punishment the CM's or whoever deemed right.
That seems like a pretty honest and noble thing to do (man up to it and accept whatever the consequences are). Granted, I believe the rules do state that no communication between players are allowed, but perhaps he interpreted that as any communication of tactical advantage? I don't know what he thought.
Then, apparently (as I guess they could be photo shopped ?) Lute was pm'ing info during a KOTH event. It will be interesting to see how this plays out after the 'example' of Bosco, and what evidence has/will show up showing that a CM 'broke the rules.'
donkey
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he was banned for a month back in febuary round abouts. missed one koth then was allowed back this month and made wabbit i believe. his offence was openly admiting without prompt that he had type a few 'ouch i got shot to bits' type PMs to his friend and that he did not realise it was wrong. he wouldnt do it again. his confesion and resolution were not enough and he was made an example of for having fun and being honest.
now it looks like strings are going to be pulled to avoid any unpleasantness resulting this current poop slide. how fortunate for the offender this time.
i am out now, i like my account here.
No body said they getting off scott free here. When I get the film and review it, then I will make my assesment and apply penalty where Fuzeman and I see fit and how much. For now, lets drop the subject till further review and stop hijacking this thread.
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He go banned for THAT?! Hell, I was always talking smack to squaddies in KOTH when I played this game...
Like the time I was in on your stalled aircraft when you were fighting someone and you typed, "go for him" on sqd text and I hesitated shooting your srry bellybutton only to be blasted several seconds later by your previously stated, sorry ass? Then to see in squad text, "you're to easy, hahahahahahaa"? Is that what you are talking about? You send your squaddie a text that will ethically debilitate him from obliterating your ass, so that you may attain a gun solution on said squaddie? Knowing that said squaddie was going to take the time to type, "we cant do that" on said squad text and that would give you enough time to kill said squaddie who was typing, "we can't do that", on text? Is that how you are admitting that you cheated in KOTH? :D
and people think Muppets cheat to gain advantage on others.......LMAO........hell, I'm more worried about my squaddies killing me than any other players involved in KOTH!
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Let me add My stance on things.
Any actions against a player are not going to be discussed by the CM team. It's not anyones concern except that person who was involved. That person may well feel he/she needs to come in here and chime in, don't expect the CMs to engage in the discussion.
With that, I've been informed that things are going sideways in here. I have full confidence that AKDogg will handle it appropriately. He has my full support to do what he thinks needs to be done. What that is, again, is not going to be the subject of a discussion in here.
There are rules in this event. They are to be followed. If they are not followed there will be problems.
Notice, I excluded no one. That should suffice. Please keep this thread somewhat related to the original topic.
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Levi, Nath, and Drex are the best pilots I ever flew with and against in this game. Can't judge who is better, but I shot down Levi and Nath, but never could shot down Drex.
Those guys flying skill was terrific.
There are about 20-30 more great pilots.
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KOTH is a joke..
Last event I flew, I was told to attack a 1 vs 1, because it was d800 closer than the single con trying to pick that same 1 vs 1. How stupid is that?? You want to promote a 1 vs 1, dont make the map bigger, open your eyes. I could find a couple of junior high students to better supervise an event. To be honest, there is probably 3 sticks max in that event that could put up a good fight. You want a good fight?... Make a 4k alt cap over some water, no room for some jackarse to float around doing yoyos.. There should be no room for one guy to dive on another, if someone wants to go vert, they better merge at 500ft.
Not Worth the Time...
Anyone that wants to argue, I will subscribe again for two hours to whoop your arse in the DA. ( Unless your name is drex, leviathn, both of which ive never fought, just rumors make you scary :D )
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KOTH is cool but for someone like me, i dont stand a chance, no one picks the hurri2c :cry
i am limited in my plane set and it seems like i can only hit when in the huuri(for the most part)
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wow, the fact that i named in a crowd like that is astonishing, i did not even know i had gotten a invite to any such event. Unfortunetly right around the time this forum got started i belive i was doing something army wise that made it impossible for me to be playing or read the forum.
I am able to get on some right now while i am deployed but the hours are always crewey and random.
BTW my name is WaRLoCkZ now also.
its a honor sir to be named with this group of people i look forward to being in some more KOTH with these guys soon as possible
ok, i'm a wee bit biased here but....
The four King of the Hill Tourney O' Championships, of which all four I had the pleasure of being a part of, were without a doubt filled with some of the best flying you will ever find in this game. There were incredible fights in each and every round of every TOC. The Kappa Murdr P38 fight was one for the ages and the film of it should be stickied somewhere.
I will admit that there are people that earned an invite to the four TOC's that probably didn't have a that great of a shot at winning three rounds...
BUT I will also add that the list of players who had a very good shot at winning it all was a far longer list. (myself being on the former of course)
Just take a glance at the 2007 TOC invite list.
AKDogg, Allison, Alucard, A8coflys, BearKats, Biggles, BluKitty, Bruv119, Fester, Fianna, Fringe, FX1, Hornet, Jim Beam, Kappa, Lazer, lucine, m00t, Muppy, Murdr, Platano, Scotch, SkyRock, Slash27, Squealer, Stang, TC, TW9, Vlkyrie1, Vudak, WaRLoCkL, WMLute
Out of the thirty two players invited I can name two dozen plus that had a very strong shot at winning it all and could hold their own or flat out beat 99.99% of the players in the game in a 1 on 1.
(somewhat ticked I wasn't on more peoples lists..........)
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that list was soooo last year.
and so is this thread :lol
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Standard.
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forced to fly dem watermelon planes in KOTH. ;)
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LOL, some things apparently never change.
:lol
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(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm134/waystin2/NecroBumpBatman.jpg)
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LOL, some things apparently never change.
:lol
Makes me wonder with all the self-back slapping Warlock does, is his arm double jointed?
ack-ack
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Makes me wonder with all the self-back slapping Warlock does, is his arm double jointed?
ack-ack
has to be painful....dislocated shoulder?
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Makes me wonder with all the self-back slapping Warlock does, is his arm double jointed?
ack-ack
I think you're just jealous cause you're not on anyones list. And for good reason.
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LOL, some things apparently never change.
:lol
jepjep..... GO GO BENGALS !!! :devil
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Makes me wonder with all the self-back slapping Warlock does, is his arm double jointed?
ack-ack
wow this things almost a year old lol :noid
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I can lick my elbow.
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Well since someone bumped this 10 month old post...might aswell add my 2 cents
Pretty hard to say who the best sticks are here. I read through the names and had a good chuckle at some of the people mentioned. IMO the best are (not in any particular order)
AKDogg
TC
Tec
Greebo
Delirium
Kazaa
Bruv119
SHawk
Vudak
AKRaven
Darth2
Bosco
batfinkV
m00t
N72
(yes I know it's more than 10) but I just listed some people that came to mind whom I've had some good fights with/fought along side with.
There's alot of people who talk alot and think they're good...but I have yet to ever see any of these people back it up. The guys that I mentioned Are good and are always willing to have a fn 1v1.
Just my opinion <S>
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I suck at this game. Always have, always will.
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AKDogg
TC
Tec
Greebo
Delirium
Kazaa
Bruv119
SHawk
Vudak
AKRaven
Darth2
Bosco
batfinkV
m00t
N72
hey...I'm not listed??? And I've beaten some of these guys and even you!!! :furious
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Well if you have then you must be pretty good! Just never heard of you :huh
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Wow. I have not seen this thread in a while. I can kick myself in the face...dose that make me an ace? or just retarded?
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Skyrock, Scotch, Sunsfan, TonyJoey, Dedalos, Shane to add a few more.
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Wow. I have not seen this thread in a while. I can kick myself in the face...dose that make me an ace? or just retarded?
I'll take number 2 for 500. :)
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Bite me spikes
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Oh Grizz! you should be on the list aswell
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I'll send everyone in here to the tower, you foolish children! :devil (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/sSc_escape.gif)
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Sorry guys your all wrong, DRDEATHX is the best, he told me so himself.
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Sorry guys your all wrong, DRDEATHX is the best, he told me so himself.
I have no doubt he said it. He's a few fries short of a Happy Meal.
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I have no doubt he said it. He's a few fries short of a Happy Meal.
Your right, drdeath is crazy. Billy Mays is #1.
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I think you're just jealous cause you're not on anyones list. And for good reason.
Ahhh...did someone steal your Jonas Brothers CD?
ack-ack
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He can borrow my nieces Hansen cd if he needs to.
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n/t
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I r Teh topz 10 ARRRR kekekeke
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my invisible friends and the voices in my head pwns all! :P
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I have no doubt he said it. He's a few fries short of a Happy Meal.
Thats a good way to put it.
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(http://lc.fdots.com/cc/lc/f0/f01e5cbd2fb3cfe9cf49df0b3b72889f.gif)
I pwn all!
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LOL Betty that's a good one.
I have to admit, that both Shane and TonyJoey are better than me. I still cain't beat Tony, after about 20 tries, he knows somthing better than me. Shane I guess has been always good, and I've only beaten him maybe once every 10 times. Dedalos, is a good friend and a good stick, always hard to beat, just he dosn't play anymore (I wish he would)
And Grizz is always a fun fight. :D
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well i have to say this....there are many great sticks in the game...but no one can wear a pair of heels like silat!!!
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but no one can wear a pair of heels like silat!!!
Or a mini-skirt.
ack-ack
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barb/texture
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10. Spacy
:aok
Spacy sucks all he does is pick in the DA with a Spit16 and rearms 10 times for 15 kills. He also has all the TA Areofighters at his disposal to stop people from vultching him on the rearm pad.
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barb/texture
Definatley one of the greats. Him and dedalot taught me everything I know, the hard way :)
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You want a copy of that Hansen cd too?
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Whenever I'm trying to help a new person out, I always point them towards Bighorn (if I know what name he's currently flying under... Barbossa, accessor, Texture, etc). I can teach them a little, but as far as my experience is concerned, Bighorn is the best.
Pretty sure I posted this same thing in this same thread a year ago, but if I didn't, I have now. :lol
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right with you Fianna. Bighorn was always one step ahead of the curve.
Thread should be top 100 at least, top 10 doesnt even come close to covering things.
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birdo
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Kazaa & Bruv :noid
grizz
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1.) Lan764
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1.) Lan764
Be sure and hit every topic possible for a good post count.
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You'll go blind.
Old wives tale as my eyes would have melted by now .
Delirium needs to be mentioned too .
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Lazer was always fun to try and learn from in the p38 as well.
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10. Raddude
dont mind the numbers, they just describe which one i though of first haha
Does he still play?
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Does he still play?
Seeing as that post was almost a year ago, don't you think it would be easier to just punch his name into the scoreboard to find out?
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StokesAK has been bumping old threads all over this board..i see a PNG stick coming his way