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Special Events Forums => King of the Hill => Topic started by: TequilaChaser on September 22, 2011, 03:32:43 PM
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Hello AH Koth Participants and KOTH CM's,
I would like to start a discussion on removing the Me262, me163, A-20, Boston III, ( and any other currently allowed medium bomber )
the KOTH is supposed to be about Aerial combat between Fighter planes, not about seeing who can last the longest before running out of fuel! and when someone picks the ME262 or me163 95% of the people actually end up getting sent to the tower due to running out of fuel ( maybe not that high a percentage regarding the me262, but still )
in my personal view, using the jets/rocket planes and even the A-20 & boston, were not what the Original tournament creator ( STICK of the 327th Eagles back in Air Warrior ) had in mind when he designed this event. to me it takes away from what this event is supposed to be representing!
edit: I am not asking that the Stuka, Val, TBM, SBD be removed........ all of these are very intense / enjoyable fights
start the debate Ladies & Gentlemen, and please lets keep it civil
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TC
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-1 Maybe the 163 should be removed, but that's it IMO.
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agree with micky
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-1 Maybe the 163 should be removed, but that's it IMO.
agree with micky
would either of you like to post your reasons for not wanting to get rid of any of them , or rid of the others if u do want the 163 gone???
I was hoping for discussion / debates / reasoning for why others think they should stay or why others think they should be removed, not just +1 or -1, this answer is not an opinion it is just a vote type answer, from my view.....
tell us why you do not want them to be removed, please
thanks
TC
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Well i think that the 262 is one of the most fun rides in KOTH, especially when you get a 1v1! In the last KOTH, me and Amsoil had an epic 5 minute (well nearly :D) 1v1!
http://www.mediafire.com/?ahz3s78nz7w5qqv
I think that there is too little fuel in the 163 and i'm guessing it would be impossible to stay below 6k when you get up to full whack!
As far as the A20 goes, i believe that it adds just as much diversity as the Val, Stuka etc, and is more enjoyable to fight in IMO.
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Whoa, one of my 3 round wins was in a 163 and if it wasnt a 163 i wouldnt have won. It takes a separate set of skills to win in a 163.
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yer its simple for me 163 great but easily turn into a fuel saving contest ;)
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163 is fun!
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262 like it or not is a skill plane - should be kept - and that goes for the 163 as well - noobs with no E management skills die easily
Medium bombers should also be kept - they did fight if they had to - even though their epic nose gun was for strafing - on top of that managing a medium bomber in a dogfight requires slightly MORE skill than a spitfire and that is suiting for KOTH RIGHT??
want more reasons - am more than willing to rant
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Crabby, in a duel/KOTH situation the spitfire requires the same set of skills as any other aircraft. In the MA, youre right, its completely different.
Keep the jets plz. 262s are a fun plane to scissor in. The only bad thing about it: its a "pickers rule" plane, once you turn with them, even if you win, youre dead. The 163 can do 380 for 23 minutes, more than enough for a koth round IMO.
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Hello AH Koth Participants and KOTH CM's,
I would like to start a discussion on removing the Me262, me163, A-20, Boston III, ( and any other currently allowed medium bomber )
the KOTH is supposed to be about Aerial combat between Fighter planes, not about seeing who can last the longest before running out of fuel! and when someone picks the ME262 or me163 95% of the people actually end up getting sent to the tower due to running out of fuel ( maybe not that high a percentage regarding the me262, but still )
in my personal view, using the jets/rocket planes and even the A-20 & boston, were not what the Original tournament creator ( STICK of the 327th Eagles back in Air Warrior ) had in mind when he designed this event. to me it takes away from what this event is supposed to be representing!
edit: I am not asking that the Stuka, Val, TBM, SBD be removed........ all of these are very intense / enjoyable fights
start the debate Ladies & Gentlemen, and please lets keep it civil
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TC
+1 TC
While we are at it why do we not include the WW1 planes?? Of course I am biased in this respect but in terms of stick input the WW1 rides require more skill to fly than the WW2 its a lot harder to pick in a WW1 plane your advantage is lost the moment you start to get guns on an adversary.
From the last one the compliant was there wasn't enough seperation but its all relative and that wasn't true.
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"air war died with the prop"
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I agree with TC. 163s and 262s aren't a very good planes for KOTH. I love d3a fights and stuka fights though!! them are the most intense fights in my opinion.
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I don't think Me163s are in the spirit of koth. It's just a fuel saving contest as someone else said. If you actually get into a real fight, you are forced to use lots of fuel for the required thrust to maneuver that thing at slow speeds. As result you will run out of fuel by the end of the round. So basically, getting into a fight, which is in the spirit of koth, compromises your ability to win the round.
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I don't think Me163s are in the spirit of koth. It's just a fuel saving contest as someone else said. If you actually get into a real fight, you are forced to use lots of fuel for the required thrust to maneuver that thing at slow speeds. As result you will run out of fuel by the end of the round. So basically, getting into a fight, which is in the spirit of koth, compromises your ability to win the round.
But, doesn't every fight you get in compromise your ability to win in some way or another?
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But, doesn't every fight you get in compromise your ability to win in some way or another?
Do you even fly koth?
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+1 to no ME163...... the others there is at least a fight
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Do you even fly koth?
I have a few times. Its been over a year tho.
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But, doesn't every fight you get in compromise your ability to win in some way or another?
No.
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No.
where u been hidin grizz???? u gonna fly KOTH in october? imma gonna be on friday koth so i can fly but im a candidate for the new CM for KOTH that will be taking over for AKdogg, so i dont plan to fly on saturday koth, i will be learning from dogg on what to do and taking notes but i surely will be flyin on friday koth :)
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where u been hidin grizz???? u gonna fly KOTH in october? imma gonna be on friday koth so i can fly but im a candidate for the new CM for KOTH that will be taking over for AKdogg, so i dont plan to fly on saturday koth, i will be learning from dogg on what to do and taking notes but i surely will be flyin on friday koth :)
ill be there betty :)
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I would say no to the 163
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The 163 has always been one of my favorite "closers", and the A-20/Boston fights are always fun, so I have to go with a -1.
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+1
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Why? They're ALL fun in there own way. The more ungainly, the more fun, imo, since everyone has the same ride.
Jets are fun to try and keep under 6k.
163s -heh, noone says you GOTTA be ballztothewall all the time. Eliminate the best plane in the game?
Leave em IN!!! Theres a splinter riddled bench in the lobby for you ladies to sit and pout during the non-prop rounds. :neener: :cheers:
elfy
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I would be in favor of removing the 163 from the Koth plane set
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Why? They're ALL fun in there own way.
The 163 mainly because if you engage in an actual dogfight in it you will waste too much fuel to win the round. So not fighting and simply loitering with low fuel settings is entirely in your best interest, which is NOT in the spirit of koth. All other planes including light bombers and the Me262 I'm okay with.
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I say leave them all even the 163 using throttle control can get 20min. which is almost always enough for a rd at Koth. Even in the middle of the fight if you have to throttle all the way up to get a shot, should just make you want to end the fight quickly where you can conserve again.
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5 guys in ...1 fights 2...3 fights 4...5 fixes is panties ---- who wins???????
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I say leave them all even the 163 using throttle control can get 20min. which is almost always enough for a rd at Koth. Even in the middle of the fight if you have to throttle all the way up to get a shot, should just make you want to end the fight quickly where you can conserve again.
Not many people can "end the fight quickly" with taters against arguably the plane with the smallest cross section in the game. Best strategy in Me163 is and always will be, never use throttle and just loiter, let the others fight and run out of fuel. Not in the spirit of koth.
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Not many people can "end the fight quickly" with taters against arguably the plane with the smallest cross section in the game. Best strategy in Me163 is and always will be, never use throttle and just loiter, let the others fight and run out of fuel. Not in the spirit of koth.
out with the 163! Seriously he has a Point Dep.
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Keep the 262 loose the 163 after I think about it.
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out with the 163! Seriously he has a Point Dep.
the more I think about it yes, I agree
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Well, after having cogitated the pros and cons, my first decision as KOTH Team Lead is the Me 163B will no longer be a valid KOTH plane.
And after those cogitations my brain hurts so well defer on the mediums. I think the Me 262A-1 will stay.
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Well, after having cogitated the pros and cons, my first decision as KOTH Team Lead is the Me 163B will no longer be a valid KOTH plane.
And after those cogitations my brain hurts so well defer on the mediums. I think the Me 262A-1 will stay.
I agree that the ME262 should stay. I have had many good fights with others in jets. Very fun plane to fly in KOTH and certainly within the spirit.
Glad the rocket won't decide another round in the future, and this is coming from someone who knows how to exploit its every advantage. :D