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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: muckmaw on June 25, 2004, 06:31:05 PM
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So let me see if I understand this.
John Kerry, who is still paid to be a Senator, yet missed 85% of the votes this year..that's right 85%.....made time in his busy "I'm not Dubya" tour to vote against a bill that would have protected gun manufacturers from frivolous lawsuits?
Did I hear that right?
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I've been searching for Congressional voting records... not having much luck.
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I'll be honest, I picked it up on talk radio today and that's why I'm questioning it.
Hear anything about this bill at all? Did it come up in the senate recently?
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I would not be surprised to see that Kerry has voted for gun control 100% of the time. I was searching to find if he did indeed miss 85% of the voting opportunities.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I was searching to find if he did indeed miss 85% of the voting opportunities.
The only way that would be a telling stat is if you compare it to other members of congress/senate who ran for president. Dole, for example. Find his record along with Kerry's, compare, and then you might have something.
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I could see him or any other Senator missing a lot of votes while campaigning. Heck Dubya left Texas unattended for months while campaigning.
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Dole resigned from the senate to run for president.
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oops true. someone else then.
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Bingo once again Nash!
Yes, Dole did resign. He had nothing to lose. If he won he would have resigned anyway and if he lost he planned to retire. You have to compare ALL Senators that ran to get an accurate stat.
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IIRC, Bush spent more time on vacation during his first year of office than any other president in history.
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Originally posted by Sandman
IIRC, Bush spent more time on vacation during his first year of office than any other president in history.
BS.
Just because a President is not in the Oval Office doesn't mean he's off duty. The football follows any president around 24/7. He is in constant communications with White House, political, and military staff.
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IIRC he took damn near a MONTH off. I could be totally wrong but I think I remember that. After only being prez for like 5-6 months.
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Hehe Holden, we're sure in the 21st century now.
The leader of the free world telecommutes. :D
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Vacation Time:
President Jimmy Carter (D) Georgia:
79 Days (over 1 term - 4 years)
President Ronald Reagan (R) California:
335 days (over 2 terms - 8 years)
President George H. W. Bush (R) Texas:
543 days (over 1 term - 4 years)
President William J. Clinton (D) Arkansas:
152 days (over 2 terms - 8 years)
President George W. Bush (R) Texas:
250 days (as of Aug. '03, less than one term!)
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So you are saying thaty Bush #1 spent nearly half his presidency on "vacation?"
That makes no sense, where did you get this info?
Are you merely classifying days spent outside of DC as vacation?
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Clinton didn't take enough time off from office.
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everyone deserves a vacation and a long one at that.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
That makes no sense, where did you get this info?
Just a guess but I don't think it comes from w-ww.LEFTWING-LIBERAL-PRESS-PWNZ-CHOO.com
.... or whatever it is the kids are reading.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So you are saying thaty Bush #1 spent nearly half his presidency on "vacation?"
That makes no sense, where did you get this info?
1. Bush Sr. spent his vacation time in Camp David and Kennebunkport.
2. Do your own search. :p
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
everyone deserves a vacation and a long one at that.
I have enough time on the books to miss almost a month and a half of work. :D
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
BS.
Just because a President is not in the Oval Office doesn't mean he's off duty. The football follows any president around 24/7. He is in constant communications with White House, political, and military staff.
And just because he is in the oval office doesn't mean he's on duty, if you get my drift.
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Originally posted by AKIron
And just because he is in the oval office doesn't mean he's on duty, if you get my drift.
LOL!
Touche!
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considering the current occupant and the last few years, AKIron, I get yer "drift" like a sunami.
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Back on topic. Not the official voting record but probably accurate:
"Healey backed up her portrayal of Kerry as an absentee senator by pointing out that in a chamber almost evenly divided among Republicans and Democrats, Kerry missed 64 percent of Senate roll call votes last year and an additional 87 percent this year. In short, Healey said Kerry is not representing his state well."
http://www.townonline.com/norwell/news/opinion/nor_colhistatehouseroundup06242004.htm
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Here's the offical record. I counted about half before I got too tired to continue. I counted 35 voting sessions. Of those Kerry voted in 3.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_108_2.htm
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Kerry, John Edwards, D-N.C.; Bob Graham, D-Fla.; and Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn, Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn.; Joseph Biden, D-Del.; Tom Harkin, D-Iowa; Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.; Richard Lugar, R-Ind.; John McCain, R-Ariz.; and Arlen Specter, R-Pa.
I think those are the 12 who campaigned in this one or the last one. Check those voting records if you're that bored.
My take?
Thomas Paine: "That government is best which governs least."
I think the more they go on vacation the better we'd be. All of 'em, President, House and Senate. Let 'em take 364 days a year off. Things would probably improve significantly.
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You might be on to something there Toad. How can we get 'em all into a continuous campaign cycle? Elections every six months maybe? ;)
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Originally posted by Sandman
Vacation Time:
President Jimmy Carter (D) Georgia:
79 Days (over 1 term - 4 years)
President Ronald Reagan (R) California:
335 days (over 2 terms - 8 years)
President George H. W. Bush (R) Texas:
543 days (over 1 term - 4 years)
President William J. Clinton (D) Arkansas:
152 days (over 2 terms - 8 years)
President George W. Bush (R) Texas:
250 days (as of Aug. '03, less than one term!)
Of course! When you consider being president a vacation.. why take days off?
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so if bush takes a "working vacation"(and is still on the job) it is a bad thing , but if kerry misses 85% of the senate votes it's a good thing?
does that mean kerry was AWOL?
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Originally posted by rpm371
I could see him or any other Senator missing a lot of votes while campaigning. Heck Dubya left Texas unattended for months while campaigning.
Cool! This gives me a good idea for a congressional law. Members of Congress must reimburse the government for every day they are absent from a vote.
"In 2000, then-Texas Gov. George Bush reimbursed his state a day's salary for every day that he was campaigning out of state and then-Lt. Gov. Rick Perry had to step in as acting governor."
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/23111.htm
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Sorry, cant help myself :D
(http://www.buckfush.com/images/bush_Rome_Vacation.jpg)
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George is in Ireland today, does this count as vacation?
The president does telecommute; he can fulfill his obligations from anywhere on earth. Senators and Representatives must be present in the respective chambers in order to vote and fulfill their obligations.
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a side note that I picked up off the TV last night. when important (to him at least) votes come up that Kerry wishes to vote on. he schedules in a trip to Washington to make the vote.
lately republican senators have been pushing to delay votes to make his trips a waste of time, or require him to cancel planned campaign appearances in the hope that he will be allowed to vote on the issue the next day. but with no guarantee that they won't push the vote back again and waste another day.
this tactic might have a fairly heavy impact on his ability to be there for the votes.
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What I would like to see is a requirement for Senators and Representatives to be in their respective states or districts in order to cast a vote.
The Senator from Vermont must vote on a secure link to Washington from his office in Burligton.
Then hop in the car and go see my congressman face to face, and the citizenry would have a greater impact. The special intrest lobbies would have a far tougher job, having to travel all over the place for face time with several congressman.
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interesting idea, I like it.