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Special Events Forums => Special Events General => Topic started by: DrSoya on August 27, 2000, 04:27:00 PM
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Just why the heck do you disable killshooter in the scenarios?
I just got shot down by a friendly in the "Memphis Belle" scenario. I was flying B17s. (I'm sending a complaint to HTC and the CMs by e-mail.)
Having Killshooter to off is just an invitation for troublemakers to crash the party. You really think you can count on all the players respecting the rules?
Needless to say, I'm not eager to participate in scenarios if that means any player on the same country as I can shoot me down just for the fun of it or because of a grudge.
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DrSoya
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
Part of the Northolt Wing (http://www.raf303.org/northolt) (First Polish Fighter Wing)
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Maybe if you took the pole out of your bellybutton people wouldn't want to shoot you.
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Geschwaderkommodore JG 54
"Grünherz"
(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/haha.jpg)
Aces High Scenario Corps
[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 08-27-2000).]
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I talked to the pilot who shot down DrSoya and he explained that he was shooting at a 109 and he accidently hit DrSoya. He said he was sorry and that it was definitely not intentional.
(http://www.raf303.org/308/screens/000827memphis.gif)
As you can see from this screenshot we were in very close formation and it was quite easy for such an accident to happen.
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[B17Pilot] (handle ommitted), it would have saved a lot of trouble if you had wrote that it was not intentional. I asked for explanations in private, but you never answered.
OK, you were probably busy, and my requests, while polite were probably distinctly agressive (you can understand my frustration, no? but I took care never to be insulting), but I came back in the arena 10-15 minutes later, but you still didn't answer.
Well, let's forget this then. I apologize for jumping the gun quickly.
But the more reason for my question: why the heck does killshooter setting has to be off?
This is the second time I get shot down in a scenario. (I got shot down by a friendly last month in a WB scenario, another mishap.)
Killshooter ON can't but make people more cautious of where they fire.
I'm really not eager in participating in other scenarios where I could get shot down by friendly fire.
At least certainly not as a buff since we try to fly in close formation.
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DrSoya
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
Part of the Northolt Wing (http://www.raf303.org/northolt) (First Polish Fighter Wing)
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I guess the decision will just have to be made about whether to eneable or disable killshooter for each scenario. The fact is that interrupters were installed on the guns so that excited crewmen wouldn't shoot through their own airplane parts as they tracked a target across their tail, etc.
In real life people would however track an enemy plane right across a member of the formation and there were friendly-fire damage, kills, and even lost aircraft similar to this event.
It is realistic. Just depends on how realistic we want to be. Unfortunately in real life people were more careful and probably even more skilled. It was life and death and anyone who intentionally shot another friendly aircraft would no doubt face a firing squad or be shot on the spot.
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Nath: what are you talking about exactly? Have you ever been witness to wrongful actions on my part? Please tell, I'm all ears.
What exactly do you refer by "pole out of my ass"?
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DrSoya
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
Part of the Northolt Wing (http://www.raf303.org/northolt) (First Polish Fighter Wing)
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Dunno, DrSoya, you could answer that yourself.
Anyway, heres a film from my 109(1.3mb)
http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/film3.ahf (http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/film3.ahf)
[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 08-27-2000).]
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Thanks for the film of the "Memphis Belle" scenario.
I see my gunner got someone. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (Tek was gunning in my B17.) I don't think you were anywhere near us though.
You still haven't explained the "pole out of my ass" remark, Nath. What did you mean exactly by that?
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DrSoya
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
Part of the Northolt Wing (http://www.raf303.org/northolt) (First Polish Fighter Wing)
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Play nice kiddies. No need for this kind of toejam.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 08-27-2000).]
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Nath tends to this kind of stuff occasionally DrSoya. I lump him in with RAM and a few others. If you check his posts in other threads, it's the same kind of stuff. It's too bad, too.
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Totally uncalled for, Nath, especially from a CM. I think DrSoya has a legitimate complaint, and should be taken seriously. I don't neccessarily agree with him, but there's no reason to respond the way you did.
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It's called something 'personal' that has nothing to do with what this thread is about.
bah nevermind, people here always comment on things here that they have no clue what its about.
[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 08-28-2000).]
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Originally posted by Renfield:
Nath tends to this kind of stuff occasionally DrSoya. I lump him in with RAM and a few others. If you check his posts in other threads, it's the same kind of stuff. It's too bad, too.
LOL 10 days have passed by and he still is crying (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Keep on the HO...er...the crying, renfield (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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DrSoya, the Scenario Corp (CM Group) will take your comments into account when designing future events.
We are sorry if you had a bad experience with this setting, and we hope it doesn't keep you from participating in future events.
But I do have to point out that there are many valid reasons for this setting in historical settings.
For the rest of you and your petty arguing, take it elsewhere. Special Events and the Events forum are not the place for it.
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Vermillion
Senior CM, Aces High Scenario Corp.
[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 08-28-2000).]
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Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
It's called something 'personal' that has nothing to do with what this thread is about.
bah nevermind, people here always comment on things here that they have no clue what its about.
[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 08-28-2000).]
Then keep it personal, and out of an unrelated public thread.
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Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
It's called something 'personal' that has nothing to do with what this thread is about.
Why aren't you writing me by e-mail then? My address is in my profile. I can't e-mail you, because the e-mail address in your profile is bogus.
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DrSoya
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
Part of the Northolt Wing (http://www.raf303.org/northolt) (First Polish Fighter Wing)
[This message has been edited by DrSoya (edited 08-28-2000).]
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Sorry about that comment DrSoya, it was out of line.
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DrSoya,
Just why the heck do you disable killshooter in the scenarios
Because it was disabled in real life (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
One of the funniest things I have ever seen was when a squadmate of mine in Warbirds dove on two cons in a scenerio. We were flying P-51s and spotted two dots below us. My squad mate dove in while the rest of us stayed high to cover. Needless to say he executed a wonderful bounce and killed em both. Unfortunatly they were both Spitfires (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Laugh but that kind of thing really happened.
In the great LW vs Allied duel awhile back I became an ace. Yep 4 109Ks and a P-51! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) We were both tracking the same con and over RW I hear "Get him Sharky your clear" Just as I pull the trigger the internet decides that the mustang beside me is really infront of me. Bang 6 .50 cals at convergence right in his wing root.
It was a real class act of the guy not to go nuts. S### happens, sometimes to you sometimes to the other guy.
Sharky
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I also prefer killshooter to be off in scenarios. I don't know what your experience has been, but the only friendly fire incidents that I have seen were from accidents, not anyone trying to cause trouble. I think it adds to the immersion if you have to watch out where you fire when in a formation...heck, if ground collisions could be turned off, I'd like to see freindly collisions on in a scenario or two!
SOB
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I vote to keep killshooter off, nuff said (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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ezdoc
48th Fighter Group "Checkertails"
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Keep killshooter off, and while we're at it keep friendly collisions on as well!
I definitely find it more of a challenge trying to keep formation without banging into my wingmate, while fending off fighters without shooting my wingmate. Makes the whole experience more realistic.
In the last bomber event I flew in I did briefly hit a b17 that swung underneath me while i was in the ball turret. I managed to stop before any damage was done though. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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A RELEVANT STATISTIC: In another air combat sim, a five-week scenario had only one friendly kill out of hundreds made. It will happen, but not often. I think it's well worth the added realism.
MY MAIN POINT: I'd like to fly in an ultra-realistic scenario with friendly collisions, 10mph winds, killshooter off, and perhaps no icons.
This plane set would work with no icons: Allied: B-17s escorted by P-38s. Axis: Bf-109s and a few FW-190s. To make it tougher, P-51s could be used. Because their coloring is very different from dark Luftwaffe aircraft, pilots would be able to distinguish them from other single engine a/c.
Anyone interested in such a scenario?
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"Anyone interested in such a scenario?"
YES![/b}
-Westy
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Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
Maybe if you took the pole out of your bellybutton people wouldn't want to shoot you.
WOW! And this from a CM for HTC, HiTech,you really want a CM that responds to users like this?
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Damned right Ripsnort. Posts like that make the guy sound like a kid - responsible (adult, maybe) people should be representitives of the game, IMO. Sure DrSoya was a bit OTT, but it didn't warrant such a stupid reply.
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? I apologized if you could read the whole thread.
I had a problem with DrSoya in game, so I responded here with that comment.
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Rip, I'm suprised that you jumped to that conclusion so fast, I've seen you in a couple of my events... I would expect more from you. Try to read the WHOLE thread next time. kthx.
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Jeez Rip, that is the worst troll/thread stealing comment for starting a pissin match. What does that have to do with DrSoya blowing a gasket over a misunderstanding?
Really...