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Title: trojans and firwall
Post by: zack1234 on May 24, 2012, 09:51:12 AM
I had a security breach on my PC it disabled Microsoft essentials and firwall and started running a bogus security program on my desktop :old:

I was using IE at the time nothing dodgy and it started running :old:
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: RTHolmes on May 24, 2012, 09:54:23 AM
I was using IE at the time nothing dodgy

the bolded bits are the contradiction ;)
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: zack1234 on May 24, 2012, 10:15:13 AM
IE is poo? :old:
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: The Fugitive on May 24, 2012, 10:26:18 AM
IE is poo? :old:

Yes, even after you turn down all the options, and turn up the security which make browsing horrible, it is still horrible.
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on May 24, 2012, 10:36:41 AM
IE is poo? :old:

Use either firefox or chrome WITH noscript addon. Then enable site scripts one by one only if something doesn't work and you must get it to work (i.e. flash game, login script or something). Better yet if you can skip flash alltogether you're better off. But then you'd need to search for html5 pr0n sites.

Without noscript you get all kinds of nasty popups and adverts which are often loaded with malware. With noscript - wonderful browsing peace. Added bonus is that pages actually load much faster without all the junk.
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: zack1234 on May 24, 2012, 10:59:02 AM
i will use google chrome with addon :old:

Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: RTHolmes on May 24, 2012, 11:11:39 AM
use firefox!

google doesnt really need any more support, mozilla does :aok
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: VonMessa on May 24, 2012, 11:52:36 AM
I had a security breach on my PC it disabled Microsoft essentials and firwall and started running a bogus security program on my desktop :old:

I was using IE at the time nothing dodgy and it started running :old:

They are after your pies!  :noid
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: zack1234 on May 24, 2012, 12:01:51 PM
 :rofl

 :cry
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: gyrene81 on May 24, 2012, 12:07:02 PM
lol, i love all b.s. about i.e. i've been using i.e. for years without a single infection. no web browser is 100% safe.

firefox is a memory leak looking for a place to pollute. without no-script firefox is weaker than i.e.

chrome is ok if you don't mind google tracking...and, you're going to want to install notscripts if you want to be protected from those nasty scripts.

there is a chrome knock off called comodo dragon that is supposed to be more secure than any of them but...ya never know, i haven't really pushed it to find out.


Zack, you might want to find a better anti-virus/malware solution than microsoft security essentials.
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: zack1234 on May 24, 2012, 12:49:03 PM
windows firewall is broke now :old:

I have not had a virus for years, it started after downloading new sound pack :old:
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: Reschke on May 24, 2012, 03:09:00 PM
I am about tired of all the crashing with Firefox lately. I hate to say it but Chrome is probably going to supplant Firefox for me in about 10 minutes.
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: zack1234 on May 24, 2012, 03:59:38 PM
I was losing passwords other day may be is the reason :uhoh
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: guncrasher on May 24, 2012, 05:27:42 PM
most likely you already had a virus and it removed your passwords so you would enter them again.  easier to keylog that way.  You will have to reinstall your os to get rid of everything.  save what you need to a cd and start all over.


semp
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: Sundowner on May 24, 2012, 06:01:52 PM
Sandboxie.   

'Nuff said.

Regards,
Sun


http://www.sandboxie.com/
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: morfiend on May 24, 2012, 07:27:20 PM
  Sun looks interesting,is it as easy to use as they say?




   :salute
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: guncrasher on May 24, 2012, 08:05:12 PM
yes it's as easy as it says.  one word of advise if you use the 64bit then you cannot update your windows as it replaces some files and it messes up your system.



semp
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: morfiend on May 24, 2012, 08:22:41 PM
yes it's as easy as it says.  one word of advise if you use the 64bit then you cannot update your windows as it replaces some files and it messes up your system.



semp

  TY.

   :salute
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: Chalenge on May 24, 2012, 09:23:50 PM
Yeah... chrome has built-in sandboxing but really noe of them are safe anyway. The best thing to do is use safe browsing habits and a DNS service that you can trust which is not the default one your internet service provides.
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: zack1234 on May 25, 2012, 02:35:39 AM
I have no idea where trojan came from  :old:

Error message for Firewall is on microsoft help site code and all, it tells you what to change back in register etc and then at the end it says it may cause startup problems and except no responsibilitie for changes to registry :old:

Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: Vulcan on May 25, 2012, 02:43:10 AM
The best thing to do is use safe browsing habits

That makes no difference.

Nothing beats good AV, something that runs behavioral based protection. Personal firewalls like Windows firewall are a waste of CPU overhead.
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: zack1234 on May 25, 2012, 03:12:09 AM
downloaded AVG for free for a month is this anygood?
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on May 25, 2012, 06:29:25 AM
downloaded AVG for free for a month is this anygood?

No AV is any good. They catch some of the most obvious infections but all AVs do in the end is encourage people to do unsafe things (i.e. browse unprotected, allow attachments, install add-ons from unknown sources, use p2p). This will inevitably lead to infection - statistically speaking 90% of infected computers have been running an up to date antivirus at the time of infection :)
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: zack1234 on May 25, 2012, 06:37:11 AM
Is photo bucket P2P? :old:

I have been using that recently to post pics on forums :old:

Safe browsing? I look at some shoes online the other day :)

I have not had a Trojan in years because I am old and dull :)
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: morfiend on May 25, 2012, 06:51:55 AM
 Zack,

  I've been using Avast and spybot together for years! I found out the hard way that Norton makes great bikes but crappy AV software.

  You'll find as many opinions about which is best  but none is fool proof!  I like spybot because it wont allow any registry changes without your OK.

  If you're having trouble finding the virus,try hijack this! a free program

  Personally I wou;d use any big name AV program as those are most likely the first targets of the idiots who make these pitas! I once found a virus in the quarantined folder of norton,it was marked quarrantined so norton ignored it!

  Threatfire is another ok free program,so is malwarebytes,just be careful if you go the two program approach as sometime 2 wont work together.



   :salute
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: zack1234 on May 25, 2012, 07:00:19 AM
I have downloaded spybot and malwabytes :old:

Everytime i log on to IE it shows up in AVG tracking cookie and when i goto to Microsoft site to see how add  Tracking block list it flippen has IPHONE adverts on the info :rofl

I tried to add a tracking block list and its says i need IE9 which I have  :old:
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: morfiend on May 25, 2012, 07:26:25 AM
 Zack do a scan with spybot see what it comes up with.  Then try running malwarebytes,I'm not too familar with malware so I cant tell you much about that 1 but many folks us it and swear by it.

  Oh and P2P is file sharing like a torrent site.  I;m no expert and will bow to some of these guys who know their stuff,but over the years I surfed a couple of "shoe sites" myself and the only time I ever had a problem was when I relied on a name brand AV program.

  Sure there may be some good ones out there,nod32 comes to mind if you want to pay for a program. However I've used avast and spybot for years,tried avast for awhile but it changed and started to use to many resources so I went back to avast. I think the 2 pronged approach works fairly well.  As has been said there is no prefect AV program,otherwise everyone would use it.


  Zack,worst case,you can always throw a pie at it and be done with it! :devil


    :salute
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: zack1234 on May 25, 2012, 07:52:43 AM
Yes but I have ate all my pies :cry
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: The Fugitive on May 25, 2012, 08:36:41 AM
I use Avira AV. it's free and updates automatically. Only problem is once a day it open a window asking you to buy the full version. I have used the free version for years and it has caught a number of things while my wife browses  :rolleyes:

I use Photo Bucket for all my cartoons and have never had an issue with that site.

As Morf said, no AV is perfect, but big name ones like Nortons, and AVG and such are viruses by themselves.
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on May 25, 2012, 08:38:50 AM
Is photo bucket P2P? :old:

I have been using that recently to post pics on forums :old:

Safe browsing? I look at some shoes online the other day :)

I have not had a Trojan in years because I am old and dull :)

It's enough if you have a browser with noscript off. Any site - I repeat - Any site can give you an infection. This is because when the sites run google ads, the attackers sneak in attack code to the flash adverts and you get an infection just by visiting a harmless website that happens to have ads running.

The only truly safe site you can visit is one that you create on your own and make sure you don't have any advertisement services running :)
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: zack1234 on May 25, 2012, 08:43:13 AM
I have enabled "scriptno"
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: morfiend on May 25, 2012, 10:52:34 AM
I have enabled "scriptno"

 Ya but just because you ate all the pies doesnt mean you still cant throw them at it!  Cow pies come to mind!! :devil



   :salute
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on May 25, 2012, 10:54:14 AM
Ya but just because you ate all the pies doesnt mean you still cant throw them at it!  Cow pies come to mind!! :devil



   :salute

Rest in pies
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: morfiend on May 25, 2012, 11:23:25 AM
Rest in pies

 Anyone seen the movie"the help"????   yum chocolate pie! :O



    :salute
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: Chalenge on May 25, 2012, 03:54:21 PM
That makes no difference.

Nothing beats good AV, something that runs behavioral based protection. Personal firewalls like Windows firewall are a waste of CPU overhead.

That goes without saying. I didnt realize we were writing an all-inclusive safety guide. Anyone on the net without AV doesnt belong on the net.
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: MaSonZ on May 25, 2012, 05:03:03 PM
this thread reminded me... im over due for my malwarebytes and MSE scan.....  :lol
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: zack1234 on May 26, 2012, 03:46:51 AM
I think "Scripno" is a good bit of advice :old:

MSE did not stop Trojan  :old:
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: Bizman on May 26, 2012, 12:48:25 PM
Scriptno and similar products are good advice, indeed.

As for antivirus programs not finding trojans may be due to the long wake-up time of modern nasties. Some of them have been known to sleep half a day... Like my kids...

Several antivirus programs check things only once and then mark them as checked and if there's a sleeping piece of innocent looking code in the temp folder, saying something like "at shutdown download code from this link (http://eicar.org/download/eicar.com) and run before antivirus starts". The downloaded file may contain instructions similar to "at startup, disable <Brand> antivirus and run this (http://www.telemail.fi/petrin.atk-apu/safeapp.exe) instead".

So, the antivirus may well be good and working, but it can be tricked. Removing temp files after surfing - or, as I do, automate the removal - associated with a script blocker prevents such delayed behaviour quite efficiently without crippling easy surfing too much.
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on May 26, 2012, 03:18:58 PM
That goes without saying. I didnt realize we were writing an all-inclusive safety guide. Anyone on the net without AV doesnt belong on the net.

Crikey, I haven't belonged to the net for 5-6 years then! I wonder what I'm doing wrong by not catching a single infection in that time! :D
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: guncrasher on May 26, 2012, 04:04:09 PM
Crikey, I haven't belonged to the net for 5-6 years then! I wonder what I'm doing wrong by not catching a single infection in that time! :D

you dont watch enough pron.


semp
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on May 26, 2012, 05:48:28 PM
you dont watch enough pron.


semp

Quite the contrary. I browsed stumbleupon links today for example. When you browse the right way you don't need AV nor need to worry. I.e. don't use windows and block scripts.
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: guncrasher on May 26, 2012, 06:26:30 PM
Quite the contrary. I browsed stumbleupon links today for example. When you browse the right way you don't need AV nor need to worry. I.e. don't use windows and block scripts.

i know seen your posts before.  it was just a joke  :salute.  however you are very knowledgeable in puters but your posts tends to make some people think they have the knowledge to not get a virus.  almost everybody needs an av  there's only a few who dont.  I can probably do without an ava, not because i am knowledgeable, but because I am not stupid enough to fall for most tricks, however i learned by getting tricked to begin with  :D.


semp
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on May 27, 2012, 02:25:22 AM
i know seen your posts before.  it was just a joke  :salute.  however you are very knowledgeable in puters but your posts tends to make some people think they have the knowledge to not get a virus.  almost everybody needs an av  there's only a few who dont.  I can probably do without an ava, not because i am knowledgeable, but because I am not stupid enough to fall for most tricks, however i learned by getting tricked to begin with  :D.


semp

One example: My mother has a desktop computer (one of my ex). Regularly about twice per year she calls me she has a virus or malware and I need to come to fix it. She always had an up to date AV running too. The last time the bug was a nasty one, after removal all file associations etc. were gone. I got tired and installed Ubuntu on her computer despite her protests.

Granted it took some time to teach her where to find stuff and which programs to use instead of the old windows ones (+ get the printer/scanner working) but after that the calls about viruses just stoped. I was in peace for about 2 years. Untill she bought a new windows 7 laptop  :t
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: nrshida on May 27, 2012, 02:37:56 AM
Get a Mac  :banana:
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: zack1234 on May 27, 2012, 07:52:22 AM
I like big macs :old:

Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: guncrasher on May 27, 2012, 10:48:22 PM
sure as soon as I see somebody with a mac, I'll probably get one.  the last time i saw a mac in a place other than a store was back in highschool and they were called apple2c's.


semp
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on May 27, 2012, 11:48:59 PM
sure as soon as I see somebody with a mac, I'll probably get one.  the last time i saw a mac in a place other than a store was back in highschool and they were called apple2c's.


semp

Come to our office, we have about 18 of them at use :)
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: guncrasher on May 28, 2012, 02:54:27 AM
Come to our office, we have about 18 of them at use :)

come to our office we have none :).


semp
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on May 28, 2012, 05:24:28 AM
come to our office we have none :).


semp

So what youre saying because YOU don't use them you think nobody else does? :D
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: zack1234 on May 28, 2012, 08:43:00 AM
"Scriptno" is very good :old:

What are the graphics like on a mac?
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on May 28, 2012, 09:37:49 AM
"Scriptno" is very good :old:

What are the graphics like on a mac?

Depends on the use. For gaming macs are not very good, limited choice still and gaming hardware extremely pricey. Then again for office or home recreational use it's excellent. Apps are super easy to use and generally very high quality especially when looking at value. Excellent presentation software, hobby etc. apps for next to nothing and some even bundled in. The iLife package with music sequencer, photo editor, web page maker and video editor software is amazing value for money. Then there's the ease of use - you can plug a Mac to your bluetooth amplifier with a couple clicks for example where with windows you need to replace the whole bluetooth stack with a paid version.

So far the amount of malware and viruses is also next to nothing. But that may change in the future.
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: guncrasher on May 28, 2012, 10:56:40 AM
So what youre saying because YOU don't use them you think nobody else does? :D

no I am saying because i havent seen anybody use one since I was in high school back in 83, they must be rare.  I have seen elvis more times than a mac.


semp
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on May 28, 2012, 11:48:39 AM
no I am saying because i havent seen anybody use one since I was in high school back in 83, they must be rare.  I have seen elvis more times than a mac.


semp

Macs used to be rare. Times are changing. There was a period that Apple almost went bankrupt untill Jobs pulled it from the gutter.

I see macs everywhere nowadays, not just in our office. Many of my relatives use them, clients use them, my kids use them... A mac is a good conversation piece when you sit in the same table with clients. Usually the first comment is 'why don't they give us so nice computers too'. Especially the ladies seem to appreciate them. Then the next question usually is 'Is it just you or is it the company policy'.
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: guncrasher on May 28, 2012, 03:04:07 PM
Macs used to be rare. Times are changing. There was a period that Apple almost went bankrupt untill Jobs pulled it from the gutter.

I see macs everywhere nowadays, not just in our office. Many of my relatives use them, clients use them, my kids use them... A mac is a good conversation piece when you sit in the same table with clients. Usually the first comment is 'why don't they give us so nice computers too'. Especially the ladies seem to appreciate them. Then the next question usually is 'Is it just you or is it the company policy'.

I dont doubt it, however like i said other than at the store the last time i saw one was back in 1983.  and I remember having the money to go buy one but I ended up buying a car instead as it was cheaper :).


semp
Title: Re: trojans and firwall
Post by: nrshida on May 28, 2012, 03:06:01 PM
I dont doubt it, however like i said other than at the store the last time i saw one was back in 1983.

You should get out more  :old: