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Title: 190D-13 restoration completed
Post by: Guppy35 on May 25, 2004, 01:05:38 PM: Saw this on the Flypast forum.

Jerry Crandell, who is Mr 190, researched the markings and did the paint work.

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=26089

Dan/Slack
Title: 190D-13 restoration completed
Post by: moot on May 25, 2004, 01:12:54 PM: is that the Champlin Museum's??
Title: 190D-13 restoration completed
Post by: Guppy35 on May 25, 2004, 02:04:15 PM: Quote
Originally posted by moot
is that the Champlin Museum's??

That be the one.

Dan/Slack
Title: 190D-13 restoration completed
Post by: moot on May 25, 2004, 03:02:32 PM: thanks
Title: 190D-13 restoration completed
Post by: mauser on May 25, 2004, 04:18:01 PM: Thanks for the heads up! Maybe we'll get to hear engine sounds soon... especially from inside the cockpit ;)

mauser
Title: 190D-13 restoration completed
Post by: Pongo on May 27, 2004, 10:44:46 AM: I think the chances thats what it looked like operationaly are pretty slim. I know he nows all about 190s but jesus thats the most ugly scheme I have ever see. What a tragedy.
Title: 190D-13 restoration completed
Post by: GRUNHERZ on May 27, 2004, 10:50:34 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Pongo
I think the chances thats what it looked like operationaly are pretty slim. I know he nows all about 190s but jesus thats the most ugly scheme I have ever see. What a tragedy.

The scheme is accurate but the colors are too contrasty.

Plus why is its landing gear so short?
Title: 190D-13 restoration completed
Post by: WHATTHEHELL on May 27, 2004, 11:11:36 AM: Quote
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The scheme is accurate but the colors are too contrasty.

Plus why is its landing gear so short?

Everything is right about the colors, contrasty? The landing gear on the 13 are accurate as well. Not sure what the fuss is here she be correct in all.
Title: 190D-13 restoration completed
Post by: Guppy35 on May 27, 2004, 11:52:07 AM: LOL only on the AH board.

Go type "Jerry Crandall, FW190" into Google and see how many hits you get.

Crandall has researched that bird since first seeing it up close before Champlain got it in 1965. He's written a book on it. Painted well known art of it, done profiles of it and built models of it.

He's got almost 40 years history researching and dealing with that exact aircraft and you guys are going to tell him he did it wrong? If he didn't get it right, no one is going to get it right :)

Dan/Slack
Title: 190D-13 restoration completed
Post by: Pongo on May 27, 2004, 03:53:18 PM: I think your mistaken about "only in AH" I think lots of people will wonder at the camoflage value of that paint sheme. And the wisdom of meticulously recreating something that was done hap hazzardly. It just looks wrong. Maybe if the picture was taken in april on a cloudy day in Germany the colours would look more right. But as it is they are way to bright.
Title: 190D-13 restoration completed
Post by: WHATTHEHELL on May 27, 2004, 06:31:42 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Pongo
I think your mistaken about "only in AH" I think lots of people will wonder at the camoflage value of that paint sheme. And the wisdom of meticulously recreating something that was done hap hazzardly. It just looks wrong. Maybe if the picture was taken in april on a cloudy day in Germany the colours would look more right. But as it is they are way to bright.

Maybe if it was in black and white they would say wow looks incredible!!!! I have several of his books, and have spoken with him numerous times. He know his ****, and a lot of the former luftwaffe pilots loved this manfor what he did. Not many of us can say they sat and had lunch and dinner with Galland or other top aces. Before opening the piehole do some research and you won't look like such an bellybutton then. Oh pongo this wasn't directed at you ;)
Title: 190D-13 restoration completed
Post by: GRUNHERZ on May 27, 2004, 08:56:34 PM: The scheme is accurate but colors are overdone, and I beleive thats directly from Jerry. He was the advisor but the owners did not let him control who painted the plane and exactly how the paint was applied.
Title: 190D-13 restoration completed
Post by: Kweassa on May 28, 2004, 12:05:17 AM: Is the colors that strange? I personally don't feel anything wrong with it - I'm pretty much familiar with it, since I did the skin for Josef Priller's last Fw190D-9.

Our D-9(unfinished version, but a clear color profile)
(http://org.fighters.co.kr:9000/caribbean/old_gallery/upload/21171107112710620040215091610.jpg)

The real D-13
(http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=24982&stc=1)

Profile drawing of the D-13
(http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=25157&stc=1)

The RLM colors on the D-13 is a little bit brighter than the version I've used in Priller's D-9, but my choice of colors are from people who build plastic models. If such colors are ever exposed to real sunlight, I think iit's very possible that it may look like that in the real D-13.
Title: 190D-13 restoration completed
Post by: XtrmeJ on May 28, 2004, 02:37:58 AM: 190D-11 is my fav of all the 190's :P
Title: 190D-13 restoration completed
Post by: Guppy35 on May 28, 2004, 11:02:33 AM: Jerry Crandell working on the 190D13-images posted on the Hyperscale website.

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/fw190d13jc_1.htm

And some more images of the completed work from the Hyperscale website.

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/yellow10fw_1.htm

Clearly Jerry was hands on in at least some of the paint work.

Dan/Slack