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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: slammer120 on January 22, 2001, 02:32:00 PM
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Widewing,
Voss flew F-16s for the CIA during the '91 Guld war. He has scored air to air kills. Ask him all about it!
Edited: Nope not going to correct my spelling. Just some friendly advice for 'Voss' Hinds - if you want to leave the past behind, keep a low profile and fly. Don't talk toejam to someone who belongs to a group of persons that you shamelessly impersonated. By the way, glad to hear you recovered from your cancer and the scorpion stinger brain infection type affliction. I'll stop posting here about this stuff when you stop posting to the board, deal?
[This message has been edited by slammer120 (edited 01-23-2001).]
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He did? Well, I did too! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Don't ya just love the internet? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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personally I don't give a toejam what you do to it because I'm never flying AH again.
-Citabria
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I don't know what got me laughing longer, the 1st post, or the 2nd Signature, LOL !
Saw
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::sniffs the bait then swims away::
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<Walks up to the bait, cuts the line, then runs away screaming.>
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Lt. Col. Aaron "txace-" Giles of the 457th BG
"Fait Accompli"
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!!!!
There's gotta be a story here.... but I ain't gonna bite. (snags beer fromm bait box)
*pffffsht* Ahhhhhhhhhhh.
Nope. Not me. (strolls back up the dock)
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<bites bait gets hooked pulls all line out then pulls the fisherman into the water and eats him>
<burp> uhmmm Beefy
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Well! This cheered me up! Thanks! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Where the hell is Guld? Was that a beta map? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Voss 13th T.A.S.
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Hey I watched the Guld War on TV, didn't see either of ya (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Voss flew F-16s for the CIA during the '91 Guld war. He has scored air to air kills.
More importantly, Voss is almost single-handedly designing and building the greatest MMOG flight sim in the history of the planet.
It's due for open beta soon, right Voss?
Voss also has a couple of bridges he would like to sell as well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Voss,
Did you ever apologize, to anyone?
Here, try it. It works like this...
Dear AH community,
I am deeply sorry that my uncontrollable laughter (caused by Paul 'Voss' Hinds telling a real life <as opposed to totally phony> combat pilot 'how things work' with flying combat aircraft) caused me to mispell 'Gulf' as 'Guld'.
Please forgive me.
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Well, no! I am working on re-building planes though?
I was going to respond with data on what I've been up to, and where I am working, and what kind of planes I hang with, but this UBB is not about me. It's about AH.
Eventually, you'll catch on. I'll help by posting pictures. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Eat your heart out when I do.
Voss 13th T.A.S.
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Slammer120 (Doom? - whoever), you are in violation of the user agreement with regards to this UBB.
Have a nice day.
Voss 13th T.A.S.
[This message has been edited by Voss (edited 01-23-2001).]
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http://www.wwiionline.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/007069.html (http://www.wwiionline.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/007069.html)
http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/gdround/016/round016.html (http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/gdround/016/round016.html)
"A Return to the Flames
The flightsim newsgroup was alight with flames and a few congratulations as Paul "Voss" Hinds announced his return to the newsgroups and game development after beating a bout of cancer. The strange mixture of responses was bizarre, if not true to the body and soul of Usenet etiquette. In quite a long post that mentioned his new goals and situation, Mr. Hinds was quite congenial, but did mention to bring on the flames if people still felt strongly about his presence. Having been the initial developer of TAS, a failed project in which testers were asked to pay for access to a game which was never delivered, Mr. Hinds suffers from what some might describe as the "Derek Smart" syndrome. Flagging 50 posts, his welcome rivaled BCK3 threads, and as Lewis "Moose" Gregory asked, "And to Voss: Derek? Is that you?""
http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw//Forum3/HTML/016321.html (http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw//Forum3/HTML/016321.html)
"At least Ron remembered..lets see..I was going to be in 145 Sq. RAF in a Hurricane as I recall <G>
For those of you who do not recall (or were not in Sims a while back) TAS was Tactical Aero Squadron..supposed to be this revolutionary real time "electronic battlefield" (using todays lingo) on the idea of what the Rat's are trying. The alleged creator was Paul "Voss" Hinds.. He posted some 3D renderings claiming they were the game shots, then after some Huge web based community development...(I do miss the web page and the handle picture contest BTW <G> ) it was discovered that he was a complete and total fraud..
The game release (Beta) was delayed because...
The computer I tried to compile the Beta on crashed..
The Backup I had had a HDD failure..
Paul was bitten by a scorpion and does not remember the game..
Paul has Cancer and needs your compassion (and money)...
Insert any rediculous statement..your prob. not too far off.
This guy claimed to have been an AF Academy Grad and an F16 Pilot is DS. Which immidiately drew ire of guys that earned that title..especially when he claimed 2 "Kills" and insinuated he bailed out over Iraqi territory. Then after some research by some vets who WERE there showed he did not graduate (or attend for that matter) the Academy, and did not fly any AF (or other branch) AC, he said he was on "Secret Missions" into Iraq and he feared retribution from the republican guard so he changed his name to prevent from being assasinated...He had to start posting under a new alias defending his alter ego...
Quite sad actually but there were HUNDREDS of people sucked into it.."
Yes, ban me from the message board. I deserve it. What you deserve can't really be discussed when women and children have access to this board. In closing, I can assure you that I will personally never be jealous of anything you ever have to do with aircraft, real or imagined.
Where exactly did you ditch that Bf 109 that you were flying when a marijuana grower shot it with a rifle, causing you to lose engine coolant, which lead to the inevitable engine failure and subsequent ditch?
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Yes, the board is about AH. And I don't see where you can possibly bring anything to AH besides $30 a month. In that thread on P-38s all your posts accomplished were to clutter the thread and distract people from responses posted by individuals who actually know what the hell they are talking about.
And I've got to congratulate you on this beauty: "Originally posted by Voss:
I snipped this badly inform exercise in wind breaking. However, let me clear up one thing that is usually ignored.
I had more time on the crapper today then Jeff Ethell had in P-38s. Jeff was killed because he was utterly unqualified to fly the P-38. His estate is being sued because he fibbed to the owner of the aircraft, telling him that he had a great deal more time in the type than he did. The P-38 is a complex twin engine aircraft, and it demands that the pilot be fully trained in single engine operational procedures, just like any other high performance multi-engine aircraft. Reading the crash investigation report will reveal that Jeff got his mind focused on a systems problem and failed to fly the aircraft. The P-38 is a forgiving aircraft if the pilot understands the procedures. Jeff did not, and it cost him."
Ah, the hard and truthful words of a 'man' who has been there, who knows all about it. First you slam a pilot who died flying, then you refer to him as 'Jeff'. What's the deal? Were you guys tight? Was he your wing on the secret mission in Iraq. Yuppers, they better ban me before the entire AH community knows what a pathological liar you are. The very thought of you, someone who claimed to be something that a significant number of men and women have given their lives while actually being - a military pilot - posting in such a blase manner about the death of someone like Mr. Ethell? I ought to charge you for the new keyboard, cause I just ruined mine with vomit. Like I said - go away, shut up, and fly. There are plenty of people who have heard enough of your lies. You aren't needed on the boards. Get lost.
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Voss are you breaking up with your Boyfriend ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
<hd&R!>
Saw
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I'm actually better than that my original name is Mc Guyver. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Ill fix it
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Ahha!
Well my real name is.......(fanfare) Spliffmaker.
Um.....oops, no that's the nick I picked up in college......er.....
My real name is......(nuther fanfare) Steve Austin (not the wrestler, the bloke with bits of titanium stuck up his arse) and I flew F22s&F117As&B2Bs&F14Ds&F16XLs&yourmuther during the Glud war.
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I was actually in the same squadron as Swoop in the Guld War, but didn't know it.
You see, due to the highly secret nature of our aircraft and missions we all had to fly blind-folded so we couldn't identify our squadmates or even our aircraft if we were ever captured.
Cobra
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Uh, oh. He's onto the secret of our success (13th T.A.S.). We all fly black helicopters NOE and doctor the waters of knights and rooks with LSD. The sheep all have hidden microphones and the ringing in his ear is us monitoring his thoughts. We have secreted microchips into his controller and everytime we intend to kill him he sees the message "Don't move your stick so rapidly..." We have spies in every country that use RW to radio his exact position to the opposition and he can never find anything less then a 10v1 fight. The voices in his head have him so confused he is quoting WideWing instead of Voss! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
DOH! Did I just respond to this thread AGAIN? I'm a dot...
Voss 13th T.A.S.
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Ok voss.... how many kills did you get in your F16 during the gulf war? Did you ever fly a real 109 of any model? Have you ever flown a real ac? simple really.
lazs
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Uh oh, here we go again.
This post should definitely be moved to off topic, there will be nothing positive to gain here if this whole thing heats up again.
I think I'll head back to safer ground over at AGW, and just watch the show from a distance.
Ram1
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Voss next time you want to post vs me remember this.
People who live in glass houses should not throw bricks!
EYE
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So you're slammer120 beurling?
I guess starting a total flame thread under an anonymous id is perfectly acceptable as long as you are completely right as you seem to believe yourself to be.
Personally, I think it was classless.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Voss:
Uh, oh. He's onto the secret of our success (13th T.A.S.). We all fly black helicopters NOE and doctor the waters of knights and rooks with LSD. The sheep all have hidden microphones and the ringing in his ear is us monitoring his thoughts.
So, them sheep have microphones in 'em?!? Uh oh, Skernsky you got some 'splanin' to do! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
SOB
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Dejavo? what are you talking about?
I have never posted under another name or persona.
I have played under the name Eye and Beurling. I continue to post under that name. I sign each post as myself. I do not hide or play multi name / account games. Not now not ever!
If you look at my posts i have some pretty bad spelling errors. Its my dyslexia rearing its ugly head.
To say this guy is me is getting a good laugh (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) You do him a diservice. His grammer and spelling are streets ahead of mine.
Oh and i read the agw thread about voss and what happened. I bet your guy is from over there.
I would say hes some one looking to start up with voss. This thing that happened with the fake?/real? game has some real bad history attached to it. Alot of hard feelings.
EYE
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what is it with akduncevu ,
the dude seems to know every thing and be flawless in every respect ( not to mention every thread ). seriously where they hell do you come get this seriously overstuffed ego?
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Did Voss take money from anyone or did he just take a bunch of hopefull people and jerk their chains to extreme lengths?
Wait...I dont want to know
What I do know is there are some terribly bored people who probably jerk off to people magazine before posting here.
Ge a life and GET OVER IT ALREADY.
Yeager (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Voss next time you want to post vs me remember this.
People who live in glass houses should not throw bricks!
EYE
Why would you say this in this thread EYE?
What has Voss said in this thread vs you?
Must have just been one hell of a coincidence.. that someone would read a post in the aircraft forum and decide to come over here and slam voss with his first two posts. Then you warn Voss about posting versus you?
Hmmmmmmm.
AKDejaVu
[This message has been edited by AKDejaVu (edited 01-23-2001).]
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Well eye.. it seems slammer120 is professing to be a brand new Aces High pilot.
I guess I owe you an apology... you didn't start a flame-thread based on misinformation... you only contributed heavily to it.
Er.. wait.. I don't owe you an apology afterall. It was equally as classless.
I was mistaken about the ID though.
AKDejaVu
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Hi check a thread on page two by Westy.
In it you will see Voss basicaly saying im not welcome in the 13 tas.
I never was interested in joining that squad.
Why was i pissed? Why would i post?
Well i had to say im not interested in joining a squad. The 13 tas is a good squad. Why would i want to insult a whole group of guys? He forced me to because of his post.
I have no interest in insulting whole groups of people.
As for thinking i was slamer no prob.
I have made the same mistake in aw3.
Trying to figure out all the cloak and dager stuff can be very fun. <S>
EYE
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Having been the initial developer of TAS, a failed project in which testers were asked to pay for access to a game which was never delivered, Mr. Hinds suffers from what some might describe as the "Derek Smart" syndrome. Flagging 50 posts, his welcome rivaled BCK3 threads, and as Lewis "Moose" Gregory asked, "And to Voss: Derek? Is that you?""
YIPPEE! I'm famous! I'm famous! I'm heading off to Games Domain right now to get my royalty check! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Moose (fpmoose)
The Flying Pigs
OINK! OINK! TO WAR!!
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Originally posted by lazs:
Ok voss.... how many kills did you get in your F16 during the gulf war? Did you ever fly a real 109 of any model? Have you ever flown a real ac? simple really.
lazs
3, lazs. A Gentle Lady, a Sparrow, and then the F-16 itself! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) We're talking R/C model which is the only F-16 I was flying around that time. The Gentle Lady got too close and lost it's wing to my turbulence (probably my fault seeing as how a G.L. is a glider, but he was in MY airspace, dammit!), the sparrow you can imagine, and the F-16 augered when the radio (an older AM job that I had warned the owner about) locked up. I had it on video, had discussed it with Doom, and somehow it became a "real life event." I think the guy smokes reefer!
No, I was down with cancer before I ever got to fly the 109. Slammer will probably get his way. I've acquired tinnitus, which I am told is a possible indication that cancer has returned. No shaking, palpatations, or delusions of black helicopters, yet. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I did do the familiarization thing. Sat in the cockpit, poured over the owners notes, etc. I noticed the damn thing is really small and would probably be very fatiguing upon its pilots. If I held the stick in my hand and lifted my elbow 90 degrees, well, I couldn't get it 90 degrees. Think about that.
Poorly phrased question? I have flown models of the 109, in case you care. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Yes, I got hours. Someday I will demonstrate how many. Someday, IF the online sim community ever grows up (not likely so don't hold your breath).
All the bull came from DOOM. The only important details are as follows.
We formed a business (actually he joined in on a business name I had been using since 1978). He sent a refurbished system that was not worth using. That same system cost me too much in lost work, burnt components, and headaches. When he started to get demanding and dictatorial I made it easy for him to bail, and he did. I was never happier to see someone go. Then I got these papers from his lawyer forbiding me to use the business name (like I said I had been using it for over ten years at that point), creating a game called "T.A.S," or working on flight sims at all (specifically BoB was named). All the mailings from testers went to Austin (Dooms house), so how was I involved with taking money from anyone? I'm not. It's another one of his lies.
All the CIA crap, money BS and majority of LIES are his creation in an attempt to get even for not getting his way. He's a brat. Now he's here. Oh, god! You think we got whiners and squeakers now, just wait!
If he was man enough to stand up to me I'd hand him his lunch. Maybe we can arrange a meeting at the next con? Might sell a few tickets, but it wouldn't go ten seconds.
My squad (that's right Doom, it's mine) will be dropping channel 1, squelching this sorry rat, and any other turds that get raggish. We came here to have fun and not to listen to stupid rants.
EYE, nothing personal, but anyone that posts in the voice of DOOM (i.e. squeak, whine, or engage in personal attacks), are banned from membership. Your weak attempt at getting under my skin is, well, weak! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I'm glad we see eye-to-eye on this issue.
I must love flying, else why would anyone put up with crap like this?
Voss 13th T.A.S.
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Yeesh, you guys all have way too much time on your hands.
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Was thinking the same thing haha. Sitting here wondering why I read this thread, feel liek I've been watching springer-cam...
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Sry Voss its very hard to ban someone who never had a interest.
If you think what i said was weak your wrong.
It was honest.
EYE
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Just see to it you don't develop an interest, mister! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I'm a dot...
Voss 13th T.A.S.
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What a bunch of roadkill.
Voss hinds is quoted in a computer game magazine interview claiming that he flew F-16s in combat in the Gulf War. The name of the magazine fails me at the moment. Maybe someone reading this message remembers which one.
Didnt you learn your lesson about lying last time Voss?
Also, if people thinking that you claimed to have been a USAF fighter pilot who attended the USAF Academy was 'all a misunderstanding' or 'a lie spread by DOOM' then why did you tell a group of real life USAF fighter pilots and USAF Academy graduates that the reason you werent in any of the Academy yearbooks was because you were absent on the day the pictures were taken? For the unknowning, photograph days for service academies, school graduation days, as in flight school, and certain other very important days for people who live in the real world tend to be MANDATORY attendance type days. This was explained to Voss Hinds by the real life USAF pilots he was lying to and impersonating. Voss Hinds, why didnt you clear up the misunderstanding way back when. I think Ill contact old Robey the real life F-4 pilot. Hes gonna love reading this. As for flying Voss Hinds, this board has nothing to do with actually flying aces high, leave the board, stop your compulsive lying, and just fly aces high, when you arent flying me109s that is. Voss Hinds, admit right here and right now what you lied about and Ill drop the subject forever. These aces high guys seem to be pretty forgiving or they dont really care. Just come clean dude, and get on with your virtual aces high life. You need to understand that until you do that, there is a group of people that arent ever going to let it rest. Think of old Slick Willie our soon to be ex CiC, if you come clean youll shock alot of people and Ill bet you are just left alone. Give it a shot?
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One more thing for haha, yeager, hblair, everyone who thinks it doesnt matter. yeager, I jack off to a magazine but it sure aint the one you mentioned honey. Everyone who thinks big deal? well to you guys it isnt a big deal and different folks care about different things thats okay with me. But Voss Hinds was being represented in magazines and other places as a fighter pilot in the US military. Alot of guys who play flight sims and work in and around aircraft in the US military really didnt like that because it IS NOT RIGHT to us, just as others do not care. Talk to any aircrew member in the US military IN PEACE TIME and theyll tell you they lose at least one good friend a year. To have some guy posing as something like Voss Hinds did can really get under your skin if you work in the field that he claimed to work in. I am not pissed that some people think its no big deal and I hope the people that think its no big deal arent pissed that some people feel that it is a VERY BIG DEAL. You could almost say some people are honor bound not to drop the subject, especially when the guy has the nerve to lie AGAIN.
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Raises hand to ask question, then reconsiders...
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Kieren
Flight Sim Enthusiast
Former T.A.S. N.D.A. Holder
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while a lot of this boils down to pure spacefilling BS, I will agree with one (and exactly one) part of it, If you are impersonating a member of the Armed Forces, especially one who has seen combat, you are beyond a doubt the lowest form of garbage I have ever beheld and you should take care to identify the people behind the screennames, so you'll know to run if ya ever meet 'em face ta face.
SP/4 Wilton "pzvg" Stewman, US Army 1979-1988
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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voss.. fair enough. I have heard all this stuff for a long time and never commented. the reason was that I never seen/heard you post it. Just what others said you said...The CIA sruff all the weird things but... I found it particularly disturbing that claims of actual air combat were attributed to you and actual experiance that you may not have had.
If you say that you never claimed to have been an F16 pilot, much less a combat one with kills, then I will take it from the horses mouth till proven otherwise. same for the 109 experiance and for the P38 stuff.
You probly don't (and shouldn't) care what I think in any case but I just wanted to hear your side as clearly as possible. doom is not doc doom tho right?
lazs
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First off I want to apologise in advance to Pyro and HT for what I am about to say. I can't let this lying piece of filth continue his/its revisionist BS.
Sorry "voss", those of us that saw your BS firsthand won't forget your lies...you can try to revise history to make yourself feel better, but it doesn't change the facts.
I really should tell Robey you've resurfaced from whatever slime pit you were hiding in. You remember Robey Price? You remember what you told him about your gulf war "exploits"? Too bad you didn't realise at the time that Robey was the real deal...not only a F-16 driver in real life, but also a graduate of the USAFA. That wasn't "Doom"...that was you telling those tall tales.
I also find it curious that now the heat is coming back on, your "illness" may have returned.
Cry me a river dude. You are a fraud, and an insult to veterans everywhere.
Bite me.
-Smut
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This community is too prone to idealizing individuals. Too prone to placing people on pedestals. Too prone to hanging on every word someone says. It is almost as if it is looking for people to do the thinking for them.
Someone starts to promote a new game. He tells lies and the game never really takes off. Its happened before... get over it.
Marriages weren't broken up. People didn't have to go on un-employement. The earth didn't stop rotating. The entire flight sim community did not stop in its tracks.
Nearest I can tell, a bunch of people were left with egg on their faces and that really pissed them off. I think about this every time someone starts to promote WW2 On-line or Warbirds 3 as if they are already better than existing games. I think about this every time someone comes to the forum and cites statistics and comes off acting as if they'd flown the aircraft themselves because they have more stats than anyone else. I don't usually think about how pathetic the individual is that is embelishing, self-promoting or simply egotistical... I think about how pathetic people are for placing them on a pedistal.
AKDejaVu
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AKDejavu, for once you'd have been better off NOT posting to a controversial subject. Honestly.
Westy
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With all due respect AK, I was there. There is a whole lot to this story you apparently were not witness to. I don't think this flame war needs to happen here or anywhere, but that does not mean the parties involved don't have valid points to make. The best thing to happen IMHO is the whole thing drops right here. If a guy just comes in and flies, regardless of his past, then all should be ok.
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<Mighty1 looks up at AKDejaVu on his pedestal and wonders why he is staring down at him with that funny look on his face>
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I jack off to a magazine but it sure aint the one you mentioned honey.
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Dont call me honey unless your ready to get on your knees!
xoxoxo
Yeager (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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What pissed people off was NOT so much that TAS was a LIE and that no such program exists (other than as a dream of "voss" and mebbe a hundred or so lines of code... and oh yeah, some faked up screen shots), but the fact that Paul "Voss" HInds claimed to be a real-life F-16 pilot who had some kills to his credit and that his exploits are so secrety, he couldn't reveal any details so they could be checked.
Paul Hinds isn't evil, he's just a wannabe who inflated his life Walter Middy-style. IMO, he should just admit that he did so, and we can all move on.
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Vila <Flying Pigs>
Oink! Oink! To War!
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I was around back then. I was playing Warbirds back then. I didn't participate in the whole scene because I'd already seen what Eidos' Confirmed Kill had done.
This thread was started based on false assumptions. Yeah.. the grand master liar was bashing a REAL pilot. Of course, the person was not a pilot and basically instigated the fight by being rather insulting simply because voss posted something he didn't agree with. Now, we get to sit here and re-hash the past yet again as if it really mattered in this situation.
Voss has lost credibility from his past behaviour. In order to be taken seriously, things he says needs to be backed up by documentation or supported by people that are still considered credible. I understand that. I don't feel that gives people a license to start threads like this.
I also refuse to accept that voss caused the riff that occured with TAS. Unless it was voss vs everyone. I don't remember that being the case. I do believe that people that stuck up for voss in any of those situations were embarrased by the whole ordeal and those things are hard to forget. The main thing was is that people ruined relationships based on arguments about a fricking game. That was not Voss's fault. That was the result of a seriously skewed sence of priorities. The blame lies equally with those that felt the need to fan the flames on both sides of the argument.
Its time more people start taking responsibility for the arguments or situations that tear this community apart. Its not one person's fault... as much as you'd like to place blame.
AKDejaVu
[edit]It does seem that everyone has forgotten the battles that raged on the newsgroups about TAS, even as Voss's credentials were being questioned. I remember some seriously long threads with many participants arguing both ways.
Lies may have been the spark.. but the community provided more than enough fuel.
Voss was in no way right with his actions, but that does not give people the license to behave in this manner.[/edit]
[This message has been edited by AKDejaVu (edited 01-24-2001).]
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<<<Swamp begins reading thread, eye's
wide from shock...leans back in chair
<<<Keeps reading thread...amazement grows,
chair tilts a little more
<<<Consider's time and effort in thread...
falls over backwards in chair
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NM not worth it
[This message has been edited by Voss (edited 01-24-2001).]
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Wow.. I learn something new every day.
Wish I could un-learn some of them.
I don't envy the current crop of 13th TAS pilots.. I know all of them that fly here; they're good sticks and good people and they sure don't deserve to be embroiled in or associated with this messy stew from the past. Please bear that in mind when you see 'em online here in AH.
Hang
1st/AG "Bishlanders"
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Thanks, Deja, but I don't want you getting pissed off and heading out of here.
Maybe, though I doubt it, we will see an influx of poor talent. I don't think it will be worth it.
"BLAH BLAH BLAH"
<blinders on and engages A.B.>
Voss 13th T.A.S.
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FWIW, I don;t think any of this reflects badly on the 13th T.A.S. per se. Some of those guys defended a squaddie and got burned.. no shame on them for that.
What IS a problem is that "voss" apparently feels no shame from the crock of s*** he tried to pass off.
IMO, a simple "yeah, I got carried away...sorry guys" would do it, but I doubt he's man enough to swallow his pride.
But I still remember the (badly) faked up picture he tried to pass off as him in his very own P-51.. sheesh!
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Vila <Flying Pigs>
Oink! Oink! To War!
[This message has been edited by Vila (edited 01-24-2001).]
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If anybody wants to see the picture that Paul "Voss" Hinds sent to members of the Flying Pigs, it is at:
http://24.178.110.249/vossdork.jpg (http://24.178.110.249/vossdork.jpg)
Note the obviously photoshopped name on the canopy. We all must have laughed for weeks about it.
He claimed to Vila and others he owned a P-51 and that he had pics, and THIS is what he comes up with.
I guess it all kinda came to be sad after seeing what a poor loser this jerk was. We all knew that TAS was a fake. There were telltale signs on the screenshots that they were photoshopped and rendering software was used. I think he took the cockpit from a rendering example for Lightwave.
Paul Hinds is scum. The fact that he calls his AH squadron "13th TAS" is only indictive of how he thinks he can revise the past.
XX
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You can't hide from these words, which you wrote earlier and now choose to edit out:
"Voss" wrote-----quote
The fact remains, you have been led astray by BS so deep you can't possibly extract any truth. Robey was an excellent tool in getting rid of Doom. I used him like a cheap potato. He suckered in real nice, and I get rid of some heavy baggage (DOOM). I thanked him for that on USENET. You forget that? SMOOCH!
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Once again you insult the honor of real life USAFA graduate and retired F-4 / F-16 fighter pilot Robey Price. The true nature of "voss" is unmasked for all to see. Let me guess, will you now try to deny you wrote that?
You haven't changed a bit. You are still a vile scumbag.
-Smut
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Originally posted by Hangtime:
Wow.. I learn something new every day.
Wish I could un-learn some of them.
I don't envy the current crop of 13th TAS pilots.. I know all of them that fly here; they're good sticks and good people and they sure don't deserve to be embroiled in or associated with this messy stew from the past. Please bear that in mind when you see 'em online here in AH.
Hang
1st/AG "Bishlanders"
As one of the founding members of 13th TAS on GEnie I appreciate that immensely.
As for all the other crapola, well, I just don't have time to get into this at the moment and if I did have time I don't think I have the energy.
Tex
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Paul Hinds is scum. The fact that he calls his AH squadron "13th TAS" is only indictive of how he thinks he can revise the past.
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just an FYI...
13th TAS as a online squadron existed far earlier than any supposed "game" that came later. There were good people in it when it started and there are some good folks in it now. Try not to forget that please.
Tex
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HEY WAIT I need some help here and it aint help buy a pair of kneepads YEAGER, slap! Who the F is DOOM. I didnt quite catch onto this the first time it was written by old Voss. I thought he was saying I was his DOOM or something and basically agreed. I saw the whole deal on usenet long ago. I know some of your guys handles from the usenet deal and I especially remember Robey. But who is DOOM. Voss Hinds, even tho Id love to throw you in back and make you puke up your liver, or somehow show you what terror really is in peacetime let along what it must be like when people are shooting at your butt, Ill save you a little bit of pain. Ive never been called DOOM in my whole long life, not even by a crewchief, ba dump bump! No use in you getting someone cranked up for no reason like dejavu almost did.
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Ok Im going to try this one time for real. How many of you guys who know the nonsense that Voss Hinds tried to pull would drop it forever if he just came clean and took a couple of sentences to admit and apologize. I received a nasty email from someone about my posting, and while I didnt agree with everything they said they told me I probably 'accelerated' a little too quickly. I didnt, but I can see where only maybe 20 people here know the whole story and actually give damn, and sometimes thats the way it is. So maybe if the 20 who cant forget agree to forget once he admits? I can do that. Once hes admitted, he cant really try any nonsense unless theres a new name used and so on. So VOSS HINDS - come clean dude, and Ill drop the subject for good.
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13th TAS as a online squadron existed far earlier than any supposed "game" that came later. There were good people in it when it started and there are some good folks in it now. Try not to forget that please.
Tex
I apologize if the 13th TAS has been around before Tactical Aero Squadron, the fake game, and if the squadron was founded by others.
I'm sure you guys are good guys, and are a honorable squadron. Our beef is with Voss, a guy so creepy and devoid of honor that he would fake cancer to cover for his trail of pathological lies.
It's an insult to claim you are a game producer and coder to my fellow Pig, Smut. After all, Smut has been a game producer for stae of the art flight sims. But somehow, I'm sure he can handle the wannabes, and none of this would have raised the Pigs' ire if that was the extent of it.
It's the whole Gulf War BS, the "I'm a Viper Driver" BS, I was on secret missions. I was a ninja. I partied with Elvis. Whatever.
Some of us have friends and family who were in Desert Storm. These lies are taken personally by people who actually served. It's disgusting to contemplate that somebody is so deranged that they honestly think they can make this stuff up, that they live such terrible shallow lives that they have to resort to making fake games, and doing fake interviews, and seeing how far they can take fake fame by hoodwinking places like dogfighter.com.
Voss probably needs help. Prozac or chocolate cake, or something to get his Seratonin levels up.
Do the 13th TAS a favor. Kick him out. The unfortunate coincidence is that his fake game is the same name as the squadron. Lose him and lose the association.
Again, apologies to any members of 13th TAS I may have offended accidently.
XX
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I say drop it anyway. This one has been done to death before. Face it, you feel the way you do regardless of what anyone can say. I do know the whole story and I can get on with life and AH with Voss in it, makes no difference to me. The truth is he (or any of us) will be judged by the community on the basis of how we act here, not by the baggage we bring in.
I am not saying you should forget the past entirely, or that you are even wrong in what you say. What I am saying is that those that are going to listen have already heard enough.
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Well said kieren.
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How confusing. What to believe? Let's see. I'll do what I usually do in these cases...
Vila: well-known, "honorable" guy, rarely if EVER goes on the attack on the boards.
Smut: well-known, "honorable" guy, generally well-respected member of "legendary" online squad.
Doom: (taxing the old memory a bit) famous Air Warrior (DOS) player. Not one of the boot-lickers, sort of like Lazs, actually (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Generally considered an "ace."
Voss: famous Air Warrior (DOS) player. Also an "ace." With HUGE cloud over his head now.
Slammer120: Hehe don't know him (suspect he's REALLY someone "familiar" but has a new name for AH) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Certainly sounds like a "Grad" to me, and I've talked to a few in my day, and this issue is certainly something that would provoke one.
Hmmm. Still not sure who to believe, but the guys on one side have earned a lot of respect, and the guys on the other side are a question mark. One thing is for sure: Someone who comes into one of these communities, cultivates a "circle of friends," earns "respect," "leads" a squadron, and then turns out to have based the whole thing on a framework of lies primarily for the purpose of jerking the chains of a "bunch of dweebs" or to make himself appear to be some kind of "big computer man" is pretty much the lowest, most pathetic form of life I can imagine.
I reckon if that applies here, we'll probably know in due course...
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