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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: hazmatt on June 18, 2021, 11:47:38 PM
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How do you recover the spin in these two when the tail drops out?
I don't fly them much and about half the time I do I kill myself because of this.
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I usually put the elevator trim full down and rudder turn out of it.
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If I recall correctly, both of these aircraft have oddities with their fuel tanks and the Tail stall's severity can be harder to escape depending on what fuel is where; In the Spit, always drain the Top tank first and in the 152 the aft/aux tanks.
If you can find Sukov, he's probably the best 152 guy there is and I would bet he knows all the tricks of getting out of a 152 stall, as I usually needed about 7000 or more feet :uhoh
Yarbles I remember was often found in the 14, but I've not seen him in years, so try and find Bruv :)
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In the Ta152 just drop one notch of flaps.
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I usually put the elevator trim full down and rudder turn out of it.
You’ll get faster results by pushing the stick full forward, followed by full rudder opposite the direction of the spin.
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Since 1936 the methodology has been just as Puma described.
To add to that - Nasa did some testing in the 70's and came up with the acronym P.A.R.E.
P ower Off
A ilerons Neutral
R udder Full opposite of the direction of the spin.
E levator full forward
The 4 actions should be performed as close to simultaneously as possible.
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You’ll get faster results by pushing the stick full forward, followed by full rudder opposite the direction of the spin.
Ya, this work in all the other aircraft fine. It doesn't as well in these two for some reason as the tail drops out and the problem is getting the nose back down.
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If I recall correctly, both of these aircraft have oddities with their fuel tanks and the Tail stall's severity can be harder to escape depending on what fuel is where; In the Spit, always drain the Top tank first and in the 152 the aft/aux tanks.
The top tank drains into the bottom tank in the Spit. The rear tank fills the forward tank in the 152.
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Curious as to what each aircraft’s flight manual states about fuel balance with regard to out of control flight events.
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In the Ta152 just drop one notch of flaps.
Thanks for the info.
How would you send the money for the sound pack?
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In the 152, if it gets fully into the flat/tail down spin, my best luck has been to kill the engine, drop gear, then rudder opposite and elevator down. Once the nose gets down, retract gear and start the engine.
It still takes a lot of air to get it back.
Wiley.
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Thanks for the info.
How would you send the money for the sound pack?
By sending a months dues to HTC. As to that, I am taking the family to New Zealand where we intend to resettle. I may not be back in the game, but I do intend to continue making updates to the sound pack. At some time I will explain how it's all done.
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Wait suckoff is the best TA152 stick? I mean sukov sorry my mistake lol..just kidding sukov. Sawzaw is good with that thing also...Hate to give him props but he is somewhat skilled lol...except for that tantrum part :rofl...M00t or Moot was also great with that beast.
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What is the measure of greatness in the Ta152? I mean my kill streak went as high as 300:1 (more actually, as I still haven't died).
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Wait suckoff is the best TA152 stick? I mean sukov sorry my mistake lol..just kidding sukov. Sawzaw is good with that thing also...Hate to give him props but he is somewhat skilled lol...except for that tantrum part :rofl...M00t or Moot was also great with that beast.
Moot is who i remember being good in the 152.
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Wait suckoff is the best TA152 stick? I mean sukov sorry my mistake lol..just kidding sukov. Sawzaw is good with that thing also...Hate to give him props but he is somewhat skilled lol...except for that tantrum part :rofl...M00t or Moot was also great with that beast.
I do enjoy it when you throw your ego around :banana:
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By sending a months dues to HTC. As to that, I am taking the family to New Zealand where we intend to resettle. I may not be back in the game, but I do intend to continue making updates to the sound pack. At some time I will explain how it's all done.
You know we have OK internet here in NZ. It is still possible to play hahahaha
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You know we have OK internet here in NZ. It is still possible to play hahahaha
I'm retired from sitting at a desk.
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I'm retired from sitting at a desk.
Heh.....well I was forced by my doctors into disabled and couldn't continue to work so I guess I am semi-retired from sitting at a desk since 2009....these past 5 years have been the worst because it only takes almost 30 minutes sitting playing AH when it begins to become unbearable and the pain in my neck, spine, right rotator cuff and right leg starts getting to me....
I don't really like playing all liquored up, or having to take extra pain medication just to play, so I have to manage what how and when I can play these days
Then when I am playing and the cervical spinal stenosis becomes a real witch, because my brain is telling my hands arms feet to do this or do that yet the delay can be anywhere from 2 to 10 seconds before the nerve signal reaches its destination...too funny...can only sit back and laugh at it these days....not worth getting upset over it
Best of luck on your move and wish for y'all a safe transition
TC
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More of a Fly fisherman, Red Stag hunter, and golfer than anything else, now. My wife is happy to golf with me now that my game is suffering.
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Curious as to what each aircraft’s flight manual states about fuel balance with regard to out of control flight events.
Late to the party.
From the Spit XIV pilot's notes. The XIV had the same fuel set up as the Mk VIII with the small leading edge fuel tanks to go with the upper and lower tanks right behind the engine. Because of the increased fuel burn of the Griffon Spits they always flew with at least a 30 gallon slipper tank to make up the range difference. This started with the Spit XII.
The attached image is from the Spit XIV pilot's notes. Fairly self explanatory. Spinning prohibited with a DT on, otherwise the same recovery as the other Spits
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s199/guppy35/Spinning.jpg)
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The attached image is from the Spit XIV pilot's notes.
In my limited experience, everything about the Spit14 is "erratic." Spit 14 and Spit 1 are the two Spitfires that are challenging to fly, and I admire people who can succeed in either one of them.
- oldman
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In my limited experience, everything about the Spit14 is "erratic." Spit 14 and Spit 1 are the two Spitfires that are challenging to fly, and I admire people who can succeed in either one of them.
- oldman
I've honestly never seen a player fly a spit14 regularly in my time. I believe there is a solid reason for that. Was happy when he unperked it, but not sure why the spit16 didn't replace it. Every time I fly the damn thing I rip my wings off. Forget the stall :rofl
What is the measure of greatness in the Ta152? I mean my kill streak went as high as 300:1 (more actually, as I still haven't died).
That's impressive I'll say, but damn that must be a super long flight hahaha. Commend for you for those patience. I tried a similar thing in a Temp (for a tour) but it pains me to extend from fights I might have a chance at winning with low E but know my plane could not perform better if the pilot in the other knew what he was doing.
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I once climbed to 52k just to kill another 152, but he dropped to the deck and ditched. You can orbit forever in the Ta, and catch anything. Well, anything except Snail's B29s.
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I have found the best way to get out of a tail low spi. I. A 152 is to bailout and make a cocktail.
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What is the measure of greatness in the Ta152? I mean my kill streak went as high as 300:1 (more actually, as I still haven't died).
I don't know what the measure is, but Sukov is better in a Ta 152 than you. I promise.
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Brave talk now that I'm not online anymore. Then again I never would duel noobs anyway.
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Brave talk now that I'm not online anymore
Don’t worry, Sukov isn’t either.
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Don’t worry, Sukov isn’t either.
Not worried a bit. When I was online people tried to come get me. I remember quite a few ponies, jugs, darkwings, . . . even with massive altitude they just didn't get it done. I just kept flying and didn't toot my own horn. You can check the facts. Regularly posting 100, and 200 k/d's in the pony, Ta, Tiger, Tempest, maybe even the Spit 14.
I didn't mouthy about it. The guys that do usually post k/d's under 1:1. Just saying.
Thanks for all the fun, and the fish.
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I applaud the high K/Ds and I'm glad you had success in those rides.
People who are/were renowned for their expertise in particular aircraft didn't need to talk about 'measure of greatness', everybody just knew. For the 152, the two names synonymous with it are m00t and Sukov. For the 234, NKL5 or Glasher. For a bomber gunner, 999000. m00t and Sukov could make that plane do incredible things, besides posting high K/Ds and running.
:salute
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:rofl
The measure of success is that the pilot's names come up in conversation without the need for said pilot's input.
Sadly Chalenge, you'll be having to remind people that you were "good"... And the real kicker is that nobody cares.
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I can count the number of people whose opinions I care about on one finger. Take a guess which one Doilby.
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I guess Dolby isn't one of them since he can't even spell his name correctly...
:bolt:
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Well this was a nice bathroom read.
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Oh the good old days, you can get out of the dreaded 152 tail spin with rudder input and throttle manipulation only very quickly. Just use the natural torque of the engine and think of the giant wing as a sail.
As for people who are the best in it, Moot was always the one I considered best. 300 kd flying against bombers and fellow noobs who think climbing to 25k is skillful, isn't impressive. Everyone knows the real fighting is 12k and lower.
There was a guy along time ago who was in the few who flew the spit14 a ton - He was real good in it but I cant think of anyone else. I never got good at recovering from that stall.
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There was a guy along time ago who was in the few who flew the spit14 a ton - He was real good in it but I cant think of anyone else. I never got good at recovering from that stall.
Yarbles of the few.... Dolby already mentioned him in the 2nd reply to this thread
We miss seeing you in the KOTH events, Sukov!
TC
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Oh the good old days, you can get out of the dreaded 152 tail spin with rudder input and throttle manipulation only very quickly. Just use the natural torque of the engine and think of the giant wing as a sail.
As for people who are the best in it, Moot was always the one I considered best. 300 kd flying against bombers and fellow noobs who think climbing to 25k is skillful, isn't impressive. Everyone knows the real fighting is 12k and lower.
There was a guy along time ago who was in the few who flew the spit14 a ton - He was real good in it but I cant think of anyone else. I never got good at recovering from that stall.
The spit14 player you are thinking of is Machfly. He was the best spit14 handler I’ve ever seen.
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300 kd flying against bombers and fellow noobs who think climbing to 25k is skillful, isn't impressive. Everyone knows the real fighting is 12k and lower.
Yeah, and killing noobs on the runway is impressive? Musashi, considered to be the best swordsman, wrote in "The Book of the Five Rings" that you seize the advantage and kill your enemies. Anything else is unimportant. Live by your own rules, but don't expect anyone else to do so. Everyone listed on these "the best" threads have all been killed and even appear on my kill lists. I'm not impressed.
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You guys thinking what I'm thinking?
"God, I wish I was as good as Chalenge thinks he is."
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You guys thinking what I'm thinking?
"God, I wish I was as good as Chalenge thinks he is."
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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You guys thinking what I'm thinking?
"God, I wish I was as good as Chalenge thinks he is."
I’m simply in awe that so many people can get so many kills.
- oldman
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You guys thinking what I'm thinking?
"God, I wish I was as good as Chalenge thinks he is."
Not really...we both, he and I are on each other's kill list
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Late to the party.
From the Spit XIV pilot's notes. The XIV had the same fuel set up as the Mk VIII with the small leading edge fuel tanks to go with the upper and lower tanks right behind the engine. Because of the increased fuel burn of the Griffon Spits they always flew with at least a 30 gallon slipper tank to make up the range difference. This started with the Spit XII.
The attached image is from the Spit XIV pilot's notes. Fairly self explanatory. Spinning prohibited with a DT on, otherwise the same recovery as the other Spits
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s199/guppy35/Spinning.jpg)
Can we get a British to American translator in here? "After not more than two turns", doesn't that mean before two turns?
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You guys thinking what I'm thinking?
"God, I wish I was as good as Chalenge thinks he is."
Well, you've never been a Chalenge. Never. I did enjoy your "training" videos though. Very entertaining.
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Well, you've never been a Chalenge. Never. I did enjoy your "training" videos though. Very entertaining.
Thank diddly for that!
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Can we get a British to American translator in here? "After not more than two turns", doesn't that mean before two turns?
0 > n >= 2
You can reliably get a XIV out of its 'flat spin' but it will cost you some altitude. Firstly switch your engine off and if you're inverted you must deal with that as the first of a two-step approach by Elvis Presslying your way out of it: Rock n Roll with both elevators and ailerons & dabs of engine torque if it helps instigate an oscillation at a fixed frequency. The plane will flip into a normal flat spin. Again engine off. If you experiment in the TA with smoke on you can notice you are actually flying backwards a little. Counter-intuitively to get your nose down you must pull back on the stick to scoop some air and push the empennage upwards while slowly rocking ailerons. The nose will slice past the horizon and begin to accelerate downwards. Do not turn on the engine again until you pass 50-80-m.p.h. (I can't remember now) indicated or she'll re-enter the spin. Finally rtb for clean underwear.