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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: humble on January 16, 2010, 02:09:44 PM
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I think in the end thats the question that fascinates me most. I grew up in the era of "the code" back when "men were men" and your measure was taken based on individual skill. Squads were important and you could go years before a top squad would even consider you for membership. Yes we all took bases and did all kinds of dweebish stuff. Deacking a field and then sitting behind the runway spawn in an A-26 was common. Then you'd taxi around behind the hanger so you could puddle jump it and pop the guy and then climb up so you could vulch him if he was dumb enough to roll a 3ed time. "Boys were boy's" and played games but in the end you looked for and valued a chance to take your measure.
The clip here is a major disappointment to me in the sense that I was hoping for a good 1 on 1 and was surprised that a quality stick from what I've always considered to be a quality squad would not want the same. Yes I gave up some position looking to clear another guy. No problem that I no longer had any advantage...no issue that win or lose i'm right by there base low & slow. So yes I wanted a chance to "cross props" and sure I commented on my disappointment. To then have someone give me the BS they "set me up" and were trolling for a whine is a load of garbage. You can't "set up" an SBD and why else would a be there?
So if you don't want a "fair" fight fine. I can live with that, but don't give me your garbage on 200 or hide behind insulting me for feeling disappointed. At the end of the day I fly for fun and for a challenge and have no problems winning or losing (well not a big problem). I'd rather fly right and "lose" then be a putz and "win".
http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/losers%20on%20parade.ahf (http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/losers%20on%20parade.ahf)
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I play Aces High because I have always enjoyed WW2 aviation. In here, I get to fly all the planes I read about. Not only that, but the only reason I continue playing the game today is due to the friends I like to fly with...even if I'm just sitting in the tower talking. I have forgotten about "the fight" since you rarely ever get a good one. I guess, along with friends, the possibility of finding a good fight every now and then keeps me coming back.
#S#
Banshee7
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I like to wear a headset, cant hear anything else in the house.
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Snappy it's getting harder and harder to find those fights anymore. I feel your pain. :(
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You can't "set up" an SBD and why else would a be there?
I wasn't setting the SBD up for anything, I was testing if my hypothesis was correct. Ie, setting you up for Ch200 tirade. Thanks for not dissapointing. :)
There it was, you spontaniously combusted, just like I thought you would.
I was about to turn away from the plane I was chasing anyway as I was very very low on fuel. If there's a fight at that situation I want to be very close to my field so I still can RTB. I really don't have control over others around me nor even try to have. They fly the sim just like me and are allowed to engage a con just as much as me. MA isn't a DA.
Like I said snaphook, your tears feed me. :)
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AvA, Scenarios, FSO.
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Fun.
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why would you need to set up a sbd in a 2 vs 2 fight? looks like brew ran to help at his base to protect score
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why would you need to set up a sbd in a 2 vs 2 fight? looks like brew ran to help at his base to protect score
Crazy talk. :bolt:
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Kiss my grits, your a hypocrite and a liar. You want to go land then go, I'm not going to catch you. You want to gang me, then gang me. But don't feed me your garbage. In the end "we" make this game. Every person in my squad knows I'd rather die then to have a quality fight ruined by a well meaning squaddie. Every squaddie and regular knight knows I'll give up position and/or kills to dive in and clear them. Every squaddie knows that I'll stay and die with em instead of taking my pelts home. Everyone who's ever fought me and earned enough of my respect to warrant a <S> or comment knows that I'll work with them in the TA or MA regardless of what squad or chess piece they fly for. A lot of people mistakenly view the DFC and it's members as a bunch of egotistical furballers. That couldn't be farther from the truth. While I can't speak for all of "us" I can and will speak for me. I do my best to fly with dignity and a bit of respect for the thousands on all sides that flew. bled and died strapped in an aluminum or wooden tube. I fly for the "good fight" and camaraderie it brings on all sides and i'll gladly share what little I know with anyone who is interested in learning and wants the same thing. As for you and your tripe and BS...well I'm not "disappointing" you. Go crawl under a rock where you belong.
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Uh oh.....This may not end well :bolt:
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I love killing wmaker's brewster.
Because I know I have caught his very good SA, off guard :D
If he didn't fly in such a way his pelt would be less appealing.
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The Brewster was happy to tag along with the 51 in hopes of picking the jug once it was caught by the pony. The Brewster ran to friends when SBD joined.
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I love killing wmaker's brewster.
Because I know I have caught his very good SA, off guard :D
If he didn't fly in such a way his pelt would be less appealing.
I love killing anyone in any plane, because my poor aim, SA, ACM, etc... usually hinders my ability to make stuff go BOOM! :D
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He said putz! :O
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Friends.
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Squads were important and you could go years before a top squad would even consider you for membership.
I second this statement! :aok
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Snappy it's getting harder and harder to find those fights anymore. I feel your pain. :(
I'll give you a war like you won't believe bear! cause Im Rambo john J.
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FSO
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Why do you play the game?
When I started it was for fun. Later it was for immersion, and trying to better myself (get good at it). Now it's for Friends and Teaching others to be good at it. I finally got to the point where I don't feel I have to prove myself anymore, and I can relax a bit.
:salute
BigRat
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Friends, so you don't have to die alone. :D :rock
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Pwny!
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Hey you included me in a photo thanks Steve! ;) owned everyone in the photo 2 mins later hehe.
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Hey you included me in a photo thanks Steve! ;) owned everyone in the photo 2 mins later hehe.
:huh Must not have made many friends seeing as every other plane in the picture is a friendly. :aok
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:huh Must not have made many friends seeing as every other plane in the picture is a friendly. :aok
Hehehe no kiddin. I'm the only plane there to own
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:huh Must not have made many friends seeing as every other plane in the picture is a friendly. :aok
Dang i was a knight. I dont count those sorties! :D
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Kiss my grits, your a hypocrite and a liar.
What did I lie about? Why exactly are you calling me a hypocrite?
You want to go land then go, I'm not going to catch you. You want to gang me, then gang me. But don't feed me your garbage.
What garbage? Based on your previous Ch200-conduct I've witnessed, I knew an explosion on your part was about to happen...and like I said, you didn't dissapoint me. :) Also, like I said, your tears feed me. :) I was right about you, unfortunately.
In the end "we" make this game.
Indeed we do. Online flight simming is extremely social hobby with a lot of interaction between different kinds of people from all around the globe. Kind of like a local bar or any other public space where you interact with other humanbeings. Different people with different thoughts, ideas and goals. It definately isn't my place to start preaching to anyone how to fly the sim, nor is it yours.
Every person in my squad knows I'd rather die then to have a quality fight ruined by a well meaning squaddie. Every squaddie and regular knight knows I'll give up position and/or kills to dive in and clear them.
These two sentences together are hilariously ironic. :)
Every squaddie knows that I'll stay and die with em instead of taking my pelts home.
Just general comment; You definately have the right to fly in any possible way you want to or fly whatever plane you want to but you don't have a right to insult other people who happen to fly differently than you. It is not your place to tell others how to fly.
I do my best to fly with dignity
...but you certainly don't behave with dignity.
As for you and your tripe and BS...well I'm not "disappointing" you. Go crawl under a rock where you belong.
I don't think a comment is needed here. :) Please go on. :)
I love killing wmaker's brewster.
Because I know I have caught his very good SA, off guard :D
If he didn't fly in such a way his pelt would be less appealing.
In all fairness, considering you usually fly a plane that has tens of miles per hour speed advantage and 1000-1500fpm climb advantage and hispanos your gloating here is a tad comical. :) The situations where you've gotten me while I've been in a Brewster have usually involved your country mates I've had to fight at the same time. As you know Bruv, I've shot you down plenty of times aswell but I won't gloat about them, I leave that to you. ;) You obviously feel the need to do so. :) Anyway, to get back to the theme of my post here, you can "gang" me with your squad as many times as you like and as long as you keep off the Ch200 you won't hear a word from me.
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Lots like a pretty lame thing to do. Wmaker admits to knowing its Snap.... and like who else would it be :D in the SBD. He ran because he wasn't sure he could beat him, plain and simple. His excuse is "because he wanted to tweak snap" and I'd call BS on that. Just another lame move, more worried about getting his name in lights than having a good fight.
I've been killed many a time by Snap, most of the time because I was looking for him to try for a bit of revenge :neener: not that I get it that often. This game has fallen into the "look at me" barrel and its more important to get your name in lights, or near the top of the scoreboard than it is to have fun. Sure they all call it "fun" what they are doing.... saving gas at 35k.... NOE's with 30 of your closest friends... but when they loose the "rose colored glasses" and finally admit it to themselves the playing for score is a lot like work they will figure it out unless they get burnt out first. Ah well, to each his own I guess.
I feel for ya Snap, just another great example of poor game play.
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In all fairness, considering you usually fly a plane that has tens of miles per hour speed advantage and 1000-1500fpm climb advantage and hispanos your gloating here is a tad comical. :) The situations where you've gotten me while I've been in a Brewster have usually involved your country mates I've had to fight at the same time. As you know Bruv, I've shot you down plenty of times aswell but I won't gloat about them, I leave that to you. ;) You obviously feel the need to do so. :) Anyway, to get back to the theme of my post here, you can "gang" me with your squad as many times as you like and as long as you keep off the Ch200 you won't hear a word from me.
FWIW, I think he was complimenting you on having good SA and being difficult to kill. As an outsider to the exchange, it seemed like this and not gloating.
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im here for the chicks
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Because......
Well I have been around aircraft since I was born... My father and grandfather were pilots and I followed in their foot steps I just love flying and Aircraft in general, I can remember back when I was little sitting on my dad's lap in an G-164 Ag Cat back in the early 60's... and from that moment I knew what I wanted to do...
I can now say 50 years later... My oldest Daughter (22) Just complete her first solo, and the smile on her face is still there.
Plus Hitech is a PUTZ! :aok
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FWIW, I think he was complimenting you on having good SA and being difficult to kill. As an outsider to the exchange, it seemed like this and not gloating.
You are probably right. I just got it the wrong way most probably. I'll be first to admit that it's pretty frustrating trying to survive against two well flown Spits in a Brewster. If for nothing else, it's because of the angles one can land crippling shots with hispanos. And the fact that we are "dragging" the actual plane that the other FE sees behind us and also because of the fact that Brewster looses its horizontal stabilizer from one hispano hit. :( I'll definately admit that I've died plenty in those type of situations..and will countinue to. It doesn't matter though, I love my Brewster. :)
Because of that frustration I read too strongly into your post Bruv...
My apologies!
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I have an AH account because of FSO. If it weren't for that little sliver of "history" I'd be gone.
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If it wasn't for 200, I would have quit a long time ago. :lol :bolt:
Fred
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Film is there and all are there to draw whatever conclusion they want to.
1) You lied in that you were low on fuel and RTB, you lied that you were trolling. All you had to say is I didn't want to fight you 1 on 1 so I waited until I had help so I could get another kill. Or say nothing at all...
2) My 200 conduct is pretty good. Please elaborate for me...
3) I'm not telling anyone (even you) how to play the game. I simply registered my disappointment on 200 that I didn't get the chance to fly a 1 on 1 vs either of the 239's. I would have found that an enjoyable fight. I brought it to the BBS based on your comments on 200. I'd like to see the game swing back more to a sense of fair play vs the continual gang banging we see all the time.
4) I did not "insult you. I simply voiced my disappointment since I would have preferred to test my skill against either (or both one at a time) of the 239's. Your the one who insulted me on 200. Had you beaten me (which given your skill and the plane matchup you certainly should have) I'd have gladly complimented you and thanked the other 239 for allowing the fight.
5) you wouldnt know "dignity" if it bit you in the posterior.
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Film is there and all are there to draw whatever conclusion they want to.
1) You lied in that you were low on fuel and RTB, you lied that you were trolling. All you had to say is I didn't want to fight you 1 on 1 so I waited until I had help so I could get another kill. Or say nothing at all...
2) My 200 conduct is pretty good. Please elaborate for me...
3) I'm not telling anyone (even you) how to play the game. I simply registered my disappointment on 200 that I didn't get the chance to fly a 1 on 1 vs either of the 239's. I would have found that an enjoyable fight. I brought it to the BBS based on your comments on 200. I'd like to see the game swing back more to a sense of fair play vs the continual gang banging we see all the time.
4) I did not "insult you. I simply voiced my disappointment since I would have preferred to test my skill against either (or both one at a time) of the 239's. Your the one who insulted me on 200. Had you beaten me (which given your skill and the plane matchup you certainly should have) I'd have gladly complimented you and thanked the other 239 for allowing the fight.
5) you wouldnt know "dignity" if it bit you in the posterior.
Lol stop making more of a joke of yourself Humble. You had every chance to break the fight and head to another direction instead of following wmaker. You chose to follow and ended up in knee deep. Suck it up and go play some more.
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I have an AH account because of FSO. If it weren't for that little sliver of "history" I'd be gone.
Exactly the other way around here. Stopped flying snapshots, scenarios and other organized stuff long time ago. If there were no MA, I'd be gone.
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Lol stop making more of a joke of yourself Humble. You had every chance to break the fight and head to another direction instead of following wmaker. You chose to follow and ended up in knee deep. Suck it up and go play some more.
I was looking for you guys. I saw no reason to break off and had no particular expectation of "fair play". I simply expressed my disappointment that I didn't get a chance to fight one of you guys straight up. Given both the reputation the fins have for scrapyness and pride you take in flying your 239's I thought I might just get some consideration given the circumstances. Obviously I was mistaken in my thought that one of you might have welcomed such an encounter.
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I enjoy the game so I can be a target for everyone else to shoot at :D
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I enjoy the game so I can be a target for everyone else to shoot at :D
PULLLL!
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im here for the chicks
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I like flying or driving on the edges and getting free proxy kills when you both die. :x :cheers:
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im here for the chicks
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I enjoy the game so I can be a target for everyone else to shoot at :D
PULLL !!
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gezz triple post!! :rolleyes:
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I like flying or driving on the edges and getting free proxy kills when you both die. :x :cheers:
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quadruple post good grief.
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I was looking for you guys. I saw no reason to break off and had no particular expectation of "fair play". I simply expressed my disappointment that I didn't get a chance to fight one of you guys straight up. Given both the reputation the fins have for scrapyness and pride you take in flying your 239's I thought I might just get some consideration given the circumstances. Obviously I was mistaken in my thought that one of you might have welcomed such an encounter.
When I approached the fight by accident while climbing to 54 I asked wmaker if he wanted to finish you alone which I knew he would easily do if necessary. He gave me the permission to engage which I did. I was the one who ended your flight to a pilot kill.
Now, since we were on MA this is perfectly normal gameplay. Were you in DA it would be extremely bad form to invite others to the fight. But we were at MA and in MA you play with MA rules. Get stupid and end up furballing 3 vs 1 - you may end up dead. Like you did. Perfectly normal. If you wanted wmaker to duel you in MA you could have typed a request to him to fight 1 vs 1. Regardless of the fact if he accepted or not, someone else nearby would have come to kill you. End of story.
It has happened to all of us 1000's of times and will happen in future. Yesterday I was alone vs 6-10 higher enemies repeatedly in my brewster. I had to run only to be caught up by players in faster planes. Some fights I won some I lost but I'm not demanding them to come to me one by one. DA is for that.
The main point is to keep your SA high enough not to be dragged in a situation where you end up getting ganged. It's not the enemys fault if you drive in harms way.
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Why do you play? Youre all dweebs.
Don't know and agree.
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I'm just here waiting for Mazz's game.
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I play to fly cannon-fodder over to enemy bases and whine when i get ganged :aok
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When I approached the fight by accident while climbing to 54 I asked wmaker if he wanted to finish you alone which I knew he would easily do if necessary.
And this is the real question. He had zero chance of "finishing me easily" however he certainly had the advantage in both position and plane. In fact he chose not to even engage me until you were in position...so why not cut to the chase he either didn't have the confidence to engage me 1 on 1 or he didn't have the desire and just wanted one of you to get another pelt. Both are fine but don't give me any BS beyond that.
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I play to hear the lamentation of the women.
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1) You lied in that you were low on fuel and RTB, you lied that you were trolling.
Wrong on both counts. I was low on fuel, I thought I had around 1 min at full power for a fight so I wanted to be pretty close to the airfield for it. And yes, I wanted to see what was going to happen on Ch200 after you get shot down by several planes since over the years, I've seen you get mad in such situations and start whining at Ch200. :) What followed happened exactly like expected it to. :) As HT has said, the goal of this game is to piss the other guy off, looks like I succeeded. :D
2) My 200 conduct is pretty good. Please elaborate for me...
See above.
3) I'm not telling anyone (even you) how to play the game. I simply registered my disappointment on 200 that I didn't get the chance to fly a 1 on 1 vs either of the 239's. I would have found that an enjoyable fight. I brought it to the BBS based on your comments on 200. I'd like to see the game swing back more to a sense of fair play vs the continual gang banging we see all the time.
You think "registering your dissapointent" for not doing exactly what you wished is not telling me how to play the game? You are saying you are dissapointed because I didn't do what you wished. I think you are pretty clearly trying to tell me how I should have flown in the game.
4) I did not "insult you. I simply voiced my disappointment since I would have preferred to test my skill against either (or both one at a time) of the 239's. Your the one who insulted me on 200. Had you beaten me (which given your skill and the plane matchup you certainly should have) I'd have gladly complimented you and thanked the other 239 for allowing the fight.
As Ripley said, it MA isn't DA and vice versa. I knew that 1 vs 1 could have taken longer but as Ripley arrived I knew it wouldn't last long and therefore had the fuel to engage. Admittledy, I was a bit harsh on you on the 200 but it was because I knew already beforehand that you were going to start whining. You wouldn't have heard a thing from me had you yourself stayed silent.
5) you wouldnt know "dignity" if it bit you in the posterior.
Considering how well you know me personally; heh, whatever. :)
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wmaker if he wanted to finish you alone which I knew he would easily do if necessary.
Oh he's the catalyst for this thread?
That makes everything clear. Guess I should have read the whole thing.
A more brave virtual pile-it there never was.
/sarcasm
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your tears feed me.
Might want to consider getting some of your own material.
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When I approached the fight by accident while climbing to 54 I asked wmaker if he wanted to finish you alone which I knew he would easily do if necessary.
And this is the real question. He had zero chance of "finishing me easily" however he certainly had the advantage in both position and plane. In fact he chose not to even engage me until you were in position...so why not cut to the chase he either didn't have the confidence to engage me 1 on 1 or he didn't have the desire and just wanted one of you to get another pelt. Both are fine but don't give me any BS beyond that.
See my latest post above. Oh, I totally agree I probably wouldn't have finished you easily. Our Es were rather equal plus I would have had to turn to you rather tightly and lost some more. SBD has a very very small turn radius especially with flaps and I didn't have the fuel to getting into E-fighting position. And definately as I saw that due to the situation I could engage for a shorter fight I did it, lets say, for another pelt if it makes you happy. And at the whole time I also knew that whining on Ch200 was going to ensue. :D
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Might want to consider getting some of your own material.
You are right there, it's not very original, I know. :( It just seemed so fitting. :)
So Saurdaukar, was looking at your Avatar...is your handle Mazz in the game nowadays? :)
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Snaphook got played out and now he's snapping about it.. Funny :D
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Ah, The old winning by losing technique nice.
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No all I was hoping for was a chance to get out flown. what i'm getting here is just garbage excuses. wmaker could easily have continued to land IF he was actually low on fuel. You could easily have stayed out IF he actually wanted a fight. Wmaker could easily have said I really didnt want a 1 on 1, why should I give you an even fight? All just fine....
As for the other comments on whining.
My exact comment was (in order)
lol
so neither one of you would go 1 on 1 with an SBD
Wmakers response was
no need to cry
I made an observation that the film backs up. Neither one of them was willing to go one on one.
My response was truthful, I wasn't whining I was (and am) genuinely disappointed since I was hoping for a quality fight vs what is easily the hardest match up in the game for an SBD. My exact words were would have been a fun fight.
His words are I set you up....
nothing about low fuel, RTB or just not wanting to engage 1 on 1.
Nothing in my comments was a whine or negative to him beyond my preference to have given it a whirl. Certainly nothing that warrants any garbage here about my attitude on 200. It's funny in that I run into all kinds of guys in "their ride". Akak in his 38, skat in his pony, Ded in his la-7, moot in his 152, Griz in his 109K, Bruv in his spit, AKDogg in his Hog...the list goes on and on. I've hundreds of great fights over the years and am lucky if i've won a handful all told. I can't ever recall making a single complaint because I was in an SBD or A-20 or P-39 etc. So here I am sitting -E in an SBD right by an enemy base and I'm a whiner because I commented that I would have loved to fight a guy 1 on 1 in "his" ride...especially given its a fight I find particularly difficult for the SBD if the 239 is well handled.
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SBD=Fun...Thats all I have to add.
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It was cheap humble but it happens all the time in the MA. The excuses you get from someone avoiding a 1v1 are sometimes classic. One thing I have learned is some of the people who complain on here on about game play and say its all about "the fight" are the same ones who make excuses not to fight or do the very lame thing they complain about.
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what i'm getting here is just garbage excuses. wmaker could easily have continued to land IF he was actually low on fuel. You could easily have stayed out IF he actually wanted a fight. Wmaker could easily have said I really didnt want a 1 on 1, why should I give you an even fight? All just fine....
I already explained my desicion making to you above. If you don't believe it, not much I can do. I really don't care either way.
As for the other comments on whining.
My exact comment was (in order)
lol
so neither one of you would go 1 on 1 with an SBD
Wmakers response was
no need to cry
I made an observation that the film backs up. Neither one of them was willing to go one on one.
My response was truthful, I wasn't whining I was (and am) genuinely disappointed since I was hoping for a quality fight vs what is easily the hardest match up in the game for an SBD. My exact words were would have been a fun fight.
His words are I set you up....
nothing about low fuel, RTB or just not wanting to engage 1 on 1.
Like I said, my comments were a bit harsh, particularly because I had just had (last night) people whining to me after killing their Jugs with a Dora by E-fighting. I should have obviously just started turning in a lufberry on the deck so they could have outturned me with a P-47 flaps out. Personally I'm getting sick and tired with the whining mentality of the MAs and how it has been for years. The very short stints I flew WarBirds back in the day, I don't remember seeing anything like we have today in AH. That is something I'd like to get back. And yes, I knew it was you because I had killed you in an earlier sortie in the area. I knew you were going to comment on the way you died, I just knew it...so I jumped the gun a bit there. Again, MA isn't a DA. When 1 vs 1 happens in the MA, it's great but often it doesn't and at times one gets outnumbered and shot down because of it but that is MA. No need to say anything about it.
So here I am sitting -E in an SBD right by an enemy base and I'm a whiner because I commented that I would have loved to fight a guy 1 on 1 in "his" ride...especially given its a fight I find particularly difficult for the SBD if the 239 is well handled.
This "-E SBD" you keep saying is rather hilarious. Everybody can look at the film and see that you had more Energy than me. In fact, you could have easily forced a fight by cutting the corner a bit and by making a tight hi-yoyo as you were diving on me. I was fully expecting you to do so. In that situation I would have probably ended up on that hill due to fuel starvation during our fight. But you decided to stay higher and keep your E with a shallow climbing turn.
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It's cheaper than hookers and less destructive than crack. :lol
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No all I was hoping for was a chance to get out flown. what i'm getting here is just garbage excuses. wmaker could easily have continued to land IF he was actually low on fuel. You could easily have stayed out IF he actually wanted a fight. Wmaker could easily have said I really didnt want a 1 on 1, why should I give you an even fight? All just fine....
As for the other comments on whining.
My exact comment was (in order)
lol
so neither one of you would go 1 on 1 with an SBD
Wmakers response was
no need to cry
I made an observation that the film backs up. Neither one of them was willing to go one on one.
My response was truthful, I wasn't whining I was (and am) genuinely disappointed since I was hoping for a quality fight vs what is easily the hardest match up in the game for an SBD. My exact words were would have been a fun fight.
His words are I set you up....
nothing about low fuel, RTB or just not wanting to engage 1 on 1.
Nothing in my comments was a whine or negative to him beyond my preference to have given it a whirl. Certainly nothing that warrants any garbage here about my attitude on 200. It's funny in that I run into all kinds of guys in "their ride". Akak in his 38, skat in his pony, Ded in his la-7, moot in his 152, Griz in his 109K, Bruv in his spit, AKDogg in his Hog...the list goes on and on. I've hundreds of great fights over the years and am lucky if i've won a handful all told. I can't ever recall making a single complaint because I was in an SBD or A-20 or P-39 etc. So here I am sitting -E in an SBD right by an enemy base and I'm a whiner because I commented that I would have loved to fight a guy 1 on 1 in "his" ride...especially given its a fight I find particularly difficult for the SBD if the 239 is well handled.
Yep you did not only whine but start a whole thread of whine about it. If you wanted to match wmaker sbd vs bw you could at any time invite him to the DA with you. As long as we're in MA don't expect other players to magically read your thoughts.
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"I play Aces High because I have always enjoyed WW2 aviation. In here, I get to fly all the planes I read about. Not only that, but the only reason I continue playing the game today is due to the friends I like to fly with...even if I'm just sitting in the tower talking. I have forgotten about "the fight" since you rarely ever get a good one. I guess, along with friends, the possibility of finding a good fight every now and then keeps me coming back."
Same here, Banshee. There's only moths in my wallet right now so I've suspended my account but the laughs on the BBs keep me lively. :cheers:
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Always had a general interest in WW2, planes in particular. I'm no history buff, but had read my share of stuff way back when.
Found AW3 on Gamestorm, stuck with them until it imploded under EA then came over here.
Basically I just like to blow %$@& up, preferably someone in another plane.
I've touched on all aspects this game has to offer, but being a lone wolf luring a few (2-3 pls, 4,5,6,7,8, is... uhhh - castrati land) planes aside from the lemming trail for a quiet mugging was always my thing. This came about because my computers have generally been on the lower end and massive furballs around bases tended to wreck my FPS.
I've been mostly self-taught as well with a tip here and there giving me that "click" of insight. It's helped that i've been able to encounter and duel players better than myself. Shaw? Never read him except when others referenced him. Badboy's performance graph thingys? No clue how to understand them. The luxury of literally 1000's of hours "flying" where death just means getting a new plane has allowed me to develop into the player I became (talent-wise anyway.)
Deliberately flying and dying at a disadvantage over and over in various planes instilled a confidence that I can give a good go in anything versus anything under any circumstances (even those 4 slobberdonkeys in the conga line behind me.)
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I think in the end thats the question that fascinates me most. I grew up in the era of "the code" back when "men were men" and your measure was taken based on individual skill. Squads were important and you could go years before a top squad would even consider you for membership. Yes we all took bases and did all kinds of dweebish stuff. Deacking a field and then sitting behind the runway spawn in an A-26 was common. Then you'd taxi around behind the hanger so you could puddle jump it and pop the guy and then climb up so you could vulch him if he was dumb enough to roll a 3ed time. "Boys were boy's" and played games but in the end you looked for and valued a chance to take your measure.
The clip here is a major disappointment to me in the sense that I was hoping for a good 1 on 1 and was surprised that a quality stick from what I've always considered to be a quality squad would not want the same. Yes I gave up some position looking to clear another guy. No problem that I no longer had any advantage...no issue that win or lose i'm right by there base low & slow. So yes I wanted a chance to "cross props" and sure I commented on my disappointment. To then have someone give me the BS they "set me up" and were trolling for a whine is a load of garbage. You can't "set up" an SBD and why else would a be there?
So if you don't want a "fair" fight fine. I can live with that, but don't give me your garbage on 200 or hide behind insulting me for feeling disappointed. At the end of the day I fly for fun and for a challenge and have no problems winning or losing (well not a big problem). I'd rather fly right and "lose" then be a putz and "win".
http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/losers%20on%20parade.ahf (http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/losers%20on%20parade.ahf)
hey dude........i more than understand what you're talkin about.......but you are much much better than this. :aok
i don't mean to be derogatory........i just think you're lowering yourself.
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Can't afford a real Jugg! :airplane: :airplane: :airplane: :airplane: :airplane:
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(http://i29.tinypic.com/noybdu.jpg)
Ewwww! :uhoh
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SBD=Fun...Thats all I have to add.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=204187.0;attach=9678;image)
Love those dive flaps :rock
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Can't afford a real Jugg! :airplane: :airplane: :airplane: :airplane: :airplane:
if you've never fought snaphook in that dam sbd, you've no clue what you're missin. it's amazing fun...even as he takes your plane apart with it. :aok
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Can't afford a real Jugg! :airplane: :airplane: :airplane: :airplane: :airplane:
Or a real plane!!(ME!) :( Yup! got all shot to hell by an SBD last week. I was surprised he stayed on me much less pick pieces off at will. sad, Disgraceful, humbling. I used to have a very poor opinion of the SBD. Now I understand I just don't know how to fly it. :joystick: :salute
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Strange....
I've fought with and against Snap any number of times and never seen him "whine" or "cry". As often as not, I've seen him strive to fly at a disadvantage (like dogfighting in bombers) for the sheer joy of the fight.
I didn't see him do either in the film. I did see him express his disappointment at how the fight went. Then I saw wmaker being rude and trying to bait him into a whinefest, which didn't happen.
Bragging about "setting up" a guy in an inferior plane show a lack of virtual stones. Too bad, I really thought our Finnish contingent had more class than this. :frown:
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DFC= Donuts For Coffee? Yes please :D
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I still play because now and then the game looks right and all the history I've read over the years sneaks into the cockpit and for those few moments the game sucks me in. My imagination gets jumbled up with all the stories and it almost feels like I'm there.
Having friends in the game that get that part and at the same time keep it in perspective and have fun makes it worth it. Nothing like a couple of Headhunter 38s winging up and rolling in to a fight. :aok
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Snap10-4.jpg)
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I used to play to take bases, found a more competive aspect in the game by using ACM to shoot other planes down :aok Anyone who thinks you cant find any good fights on every sortie, your flying wrong then I normally lurk on the out skirts of hordes to drag a few out to fight them or fly with my sqaud and ask them to stay out if its a good fight.
Wmaker, did seem like you may have been running low on fuel but still a very pathetic show of your flying which I know is better then that....you could have broke off once the other 2 jumped in
:salute
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!!!YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!!
(http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/topstory/sports/edwards_herman0108.jpg)
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I didn't see him do either in the film. I did see him express his disappointment at how the fight went. Then I saw wmaker being rude and trying to bait him into a whinefest, which didn't happen.
He wouldn't have heard a word from me had he stayed silent. There's no need for him to start telling me how to fly. I made the dicisions to engage at any given time. As for the whine fest, this very thread was started to have an opportunity to whine about my flying. Ohh, but snaphook isn't whining...he's just "expressing his dissapointment regarding my flying". :rolleyes:
Bragging about "setting up" a guy in an inferior plane show a lack of virtual stones.
Like I've already said, I was curious if I'd hear from him on Ch200 and he delivered, a whole thread's worth actually. :rofl
Too bad, I really thought our Finnish contingent had more class than this. :frown:
ohh brother :rolleyes:
Had he come straight after me he would have easily had his fight. Now he decided to convert his speed back to altitude.
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still a very pathetic show of your flying which I know is better then that....you could have broke off once the other 2 jumped in
I couldn't care less what you or anyone else thinks about my flying. I don't fly for you or anyone else, I fly for myself. I'm not here to please you or anyone else with my flying.
Certainly I could have broke off but saw no reason to do so at that point as all I needed was couple passes. At that point I knew that I could almost glide in for landing.
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The people in these forums :rolleyes:
So much for fun, eh Wmaker?
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I couldn't care less what you or anyone else thinks about my flying. I don't fly for you or anyone else, I fly for myself. I'm not here to please you or anyone else with my flying.
Certainly I could have but saw no reason to do so at that point as all I needed was couple passes. At that point I knew that could have almost glided in for landing.
Hey we got something in common, I dont give a crap about what you think, about what I think about your flying :noid ....just saying its pathetic, this is a public furom :aok
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about what I think about your flying :noid ....just saying its pathetic, this is a public furom :aok
...and that right there makes you (and the whiney clique of this thread) rather clueless.
I guess I should have just ran myself out of fuel to please the peanut gallery.
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-Cause my Wife dont want it
-Every Enemy has the Face of my Boss
-Cause most Action for me is at 5 am
-Cause its not only AH there are more
-Cuse I have a lot of fun even if I lose
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...and that right there makes you (and the whiney clique of this thread) rather clueless.
I guess I should have just ran myself out of fuel to please the peanut gallery.
Did you read my first post? I acknowleged you probably were running low on fuel.....should have just rtb in my opinion not a whine, you seem to whining about whining but wait thats right "it feeds you"
just posting what I thought no biggie, like you think it is :aok
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Did you read my first post? I acknowleged you probably were running low on fuel.....should have just rtb in my opinion not a whine, you seem to whining about whining but wait thats right "it feeds you"
just posting what I thought no biggie, like you think it is :aok
Who are you to tell how wmaker or anyone else should fight on MA? You arrogant POS. Wmaker had no obligation to do anything but get another kill for the sortie when the opportunity came. Period.
The only reason the fight lasted as long as it did was because I deliberately held back at beginning not to steal his kill.
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Who are you to tell how wmaker or anyone else should fight on MA? You arrogant POS. Wmaker had no obligation to do anything but get another kill for the sortie when the opportunity came. Period.
The only reason the fight lasted as long as it did was because I deliberately held back at beginning not to steal his kill.
easy killer.....I stated an opinion, not telling him he should fly a certain way, if I want to change how people fly all I can do is persuade, WMaker has his mind already set about this arguement so Im just gunna say his flying is weak just like yours.....Are you gunna tell me what I can post in this bbs now? I think only HTC can do that :aok
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This thread is not what I expected it to be...but it still delivers nonetheless...
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easy killer.....I stated an opinion, not telling him he should fly a certain way, if I want to change how people fly all I can do is persuade, WMaker has his mind already set about this arguement so Im just gunna say his flying is weak just like yours.....Are you gunna tell me what I can post in this bbs now? I think only HTC can do that :aok
And by what measurement is our flying 'weak'. I'm 100% sure you wouldn't have walked away from that fight. So basically you're just padding up the other whiner.
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And by what measurement is our flying 'weak'. I'm 100% sure you wouldn't have walked away from that fight. So basically you're just padding up the other whiner.
I wouldnt have ran away in the first place......Wmaker baited him into the gangbang, snaphook fell for it sucks to be him, but its still weak flying on wmaker's and your part.....YOU GANGED AN SPD.......nuff said.... :aok
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I wouldnt have ran away in the first place......Wmaker baited him into the gangbang, snaphook fell for it sucks to be him, but its still weak flying on wmaker's and your part.....YOU GANGED AN SPD.......nuff said.... :aok
Get off your high horse your whole squad would have been on a lonely SBD if given a chance. Wmaker stated he was low on fuel which is why he HAD to return back to field. What part of that is not clear to you?
Besides, even if he chose deliberately to drag him into friendlies if snaphook was too situationally challenged to see that it's his own fault :)
Not like Wmaker is sitting in gv all day shooting spawning enemies in the back or something (junky *cough* junky) :P
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Blame Waystin2 for the sitting on the runway thing......he got me started on that :devil
If he was rtb for fuel why did he grab alt? He was baiting and it worked......still very weak flying on your sqauds part.
If you wanna see how my sqaud flys Ill be back in game in March, you and Wmaker can go against Me and Krup :aok
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Blame Waystin2 for the sitting on the runway thing......he got me started on that :devil
If he was rtb for fuel why did he grab alt? He was baiting and it worked......still very weak flying on your sqauds part.
If you wanna see how my sqaud flys Ill be back in game in March, you and Wmaker can go against Me and Krup :aok
If you want a challenge it's ok by me. Although I have very little hours logged lately. Win or lose it makes no difference anyway, it's a game. This is where we differ I think.
I used to be addicted to AH and spent excessive hours playing it. Even at my worst I didn't spend half of the hours some of the worst scoremongers spend here but it still ruined my social life enough to quit for years. Nowadays I play occasionally (mostly during weekends). Now, from experience I can tell you that if things like 'MA code' that does not exist in reality starts to bother you, you're on the brink of psychosis and you need to step down.
This is a game which people play for their personal fun. There's no honor, no code, no unwritten rules. Just a game and by whineing about nothing you just made the game less fun for other paying customers.
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If you want a challenge it's ok by me. Although I have very little hours logged lately.
Me too ;)
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Me too ;)
You do see the difference between a challenge that will take place in DA as opposed to randomly meeting in MA, right? ;)
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Yea it would be an even fight, Ill tell you now me and Krup would just seperate you both and 1v1 yall then gang the last one....Hows its worked in our last 3 2v2s ;)
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wmaker i like to fly with and against you but......you sound abit like a pompous bellybutton in this thread just my 2 cents
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:rolleyes: Can't we just have fun fellas?
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm134/waystin2/GeekFight.jpg)
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...and that right there makes you (and the whiney clique of this thread) rather clueless.
I guess I should have just ran myself out of fuel to please the peanut gallery.
No you could have called out on the radio "low fuel Snap" and RTB (you did admit you knew it was Snap). However you turned into the fight ONLY when you had numbers. If your true reason for not engaging was low fuel call it and stay out. How ever you proved that the reason you ran wasn't fuel, but that you were afraid to loose and not be able to get your name in lights by only engaging after there was a number of people all ready in on Snap. Lame game play.
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No you could have called out on the radio "low fuel Snap" and RTB (you did admit you knew it was Snap). However you turned into the fight ONLY when you had numbers. If your true reason for not engaging was low fuel call it and stay out. How ever you proved that the reason you ran wasn't fuel, but that you were afraid to loose and not be able to get your name in lights by only engaging after there was a number of people all ready in on Snap. Lame game play.
You're offically a retard now pardon my language but you are. If wmaker would have engaged him 1 vs 1 it would have left him with no option to disengage and rtb for fuel. He would have run out.
When others came to keep snap busy he could AFFORD a couple shots before rtb. Quit whining, please. It was a MA kill in all its fairness.
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No you could have called out on the radio "low fuel Snap" and RTB (you did admit you knew it was Snap). However you turned into the fight ONLY when you had numbers. If your true reason for not engaging was low fuel call it and stay out. How ever you proved that the reason you ran wasn't fuel, but that you were afraid to loose and not be able to get your name in lights by only engaging after there was a number of people all ready in on Snap. Lame game play.
It's not that easy though. To commit on a 1v1, you need time, and thus fuel. As soon as they had the numbers on him, fuel is not an issue anymore, the fight will end quicky opposed to a 1v1. Wmakers argument makes perfect sense here. Lame gameplay? Hardly.
It's rather lame to expect to get some special treatment for flying a SBD in A2A combat, getting ganged, loose and then whine about it on 200 and here. Looking at the film and this thread, "SBD" is at least mentioned 10 times, though the plane type irrelevant for the core discussion (run from a 1v1, come back with the gang)...I wonder why it is stressed that often, maybe a "here! look at me!!" thingy?! :headscratch:
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wmaker i like to fly with and against you but......you sound abit like a pompous bellybutton in this thread just my 2 cents
I'm just growing tired to part of this community. In 2000 this community would have laughed to anyone who was stupid enough to whine about his virtual demise on this board. This thread has shown that in 2010 it actually seems like commonly accepted behaviour. Because of that, I have to say I haven't felt like a part of this community for a long time. Definately consider myself part of the Finnish AH-community however...not an idiot in sight. :)
Regarding the pompous bellybutton comment...don't worry, you've sounded like one on Ch200 many times as you die as long as I can remember. I still remember the first time I ran into you, not sure if you've forgotten it or not.
Just a general comment:
The only one anyone here has control over is themselves. The moment someone starts telling others how they should spend or should have spent their free time in an online pc game, he is out of line.
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Yea it would be an even fight, Ill tell you now me and Krup would just seperate you both and 1v1 yall then gang the last one....Hows its worked in our last 3 2v2s ;)
Good that you admit that you would gang so you're in the end no better than what happened in MA except in DA it's a serious break of DA rules where in MA it's competely acceptable.
You sound awfully confident that it would be your 2 against 1 though.
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didn't hitech once say the point of "the game" was to piss the other guy off? :devil
Your both good sticks, let's just have a big group hug and a beer :cheers: :banana:
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I'm just growing tired to part of this community. In 2000 this community would have laughed to anyone who was stupid enough to whine about his virtual demise on this board. This thread has shown that in 2010 it actually seems like commonly accepted behaviour. Because of that, I have to say I haven't felt like a part of this community for a long time. Definately consider myself part of the Finnish AH-community however...not an idiot in sight. :)
Regarding the pompous bellybutton comment...don't worry, you've sounded like one on Ch200 many times as you die as long as I can remember. I still remember the first time I ran into you, not sure if you've forgotten it or not.
Just a general comment:
The only one anyone here has control over is themselves. The moment someone starts telling others how they should spend or should have spent their free time in an online pc game, he is out of line.
my point is validated
i have forgotten the first time we have met i dont take anything on 200 serious and i like to argue on 200 its entertaining most of it is DA bait
but here you sound like a wealthy snob
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didn't hitech once say the point of "the game" was to piss the other guy off? :devil
Your both good sticks, let's just have a big group hug and a beer :cheers: :banana:
true
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Or a real plane!!(ME!) :( Yup! got all shot to hell by an SBD last week. I was surprised he stayed on me much less pick pieces off at will. sad, Disgraceful, humbling. I used to have a very poor opinion of the SBD. Now I understand I just don't know how to fly it. :joystick: :salute
snaphook is one of the main reasons i finally learned.......it's not the plane. it's the pile-it. :aok
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You're offically a retard now pardon my language but you are. If wmaker would have engaged him 1 vs 1 it would have left him with no option to disengage and rtb for fuel. He would have run out.
When others came to keep snap busy he could AFFORD a couple shots before rtb. Quit whining, please. It was a MA kill in all its fairness.
nice 5th grade name calling how old are you?
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You're offically a retard now pardon my language but you are. If wmaker would have engaged him 1 vs 1 it would have left him with no option to disengage and rtb for fuel. He would have run out.
When others came to keep snap busy he could AFFORD a couple shots before rtb. Quit whining, please. It was a MA kill in all its fairness.
WOW now we are into the name calling part.... great defense :rolleyes:
Either you fight or you don't. Classy way would have been to call RTB and stay out, Lame way is to cry low fuel and then engage to try for a pick when you have numbers.
To me it's just a lame play, like most of the play that seems to be happening in the game these days. It's up to us "old timers" to set the example of good game play, or heaven forbid "honorable game play" as appose to the lame crap that seems to infest the game now. Wmaker showed a lame move instead of being an "honorable" opponent.
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There are no rules of engagement in MA that require people to fight 1vs1 or leave fights when others join. Get over it.
If I would have started a flamethread of every time my low brewster was ganged by 5-6 enemies in superior planes we'd have 1000 threads more by now.
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There are no rules of engagement in MA that require people to fight 1vs1 or leave fights when others join. Get over it.
If I would have started a flamethread of every time my low brewster was ganged by 5-6 enemies in superior planes we'd have 1000 threads more by now.
"i know you are but what am i?" how childish
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There are no rules of engagement in MA that require people to fight 1vs1 or leave fights when others join. Get over it.
If I would have started a flamethread of every time my low brewster was ganged by 5-6 enemies in superior planes we'd have 1000 threads more by now.
So your going with the old "well everyone else dose it" defense. I'll take the high road and hope that some newer players will read this thread and maybe decide that they don't want to be as lame as others and takes the high road too.
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WOW now we are into the name calling part.... great defense :rolleyes:
Either you fight or you don't. Classy way would have been to call RTB and stay out, Lame way is to cry low fuel and then engage to try for a pick when you have numbers.
To me it's just a lame play, like most of the play that seems to be happening in the game these days. It's up to us "old timers" to set the example of good game play, or heaven forbid "honorable game play" as appose to the lame crap that seems to infest the game now. Wmaker showed a lame move instead of being an "honorable" opponent.
Lol honor. You gotta be kidding me.
Tell me:
1) would you have stayed to turnfight snaphook knowing you'll most likely run out of fuel before the fight is over - or would you have started to make your way home instead.
2) would you have joined others attacking the enemy trying to follow you in to vulch you for landing?
And if not, why not? Honor? Stupidity more like.
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Lol honor. You gotta be kidding me.
Tell me:
1) would you have stayed to turnfight snaphook knowing you'll most likely run out of fuel before the fight is over - or would you have started to make your way home instead.
2) would you have joined others attacking the enemy trying to follow you in to vulch you for landing?
And if not, why not? Honor? Stupidity more like.
he had plenty of fuel to engage once there was 3 others there helping i call bullcrap PERKELE!!!!!!!
When im that low ill set the bird down 10 outa 10 cuz to me an sbd with 3 cons on it already posses no threat to me
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So your going with the old "well everyone else dose it" defense. I'll take the high road and hope that some newer players will read this thread and maybe decide that they don't want to be as lame as others and takes the high road too.
You still don't get it do you? You can keep your own high road and self imposed feel of superiority and shove it. It does not require _any_ action whatsoever from other players it's all in your head. You can follow your rules, the rules do not apply to anyone else.
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he had plenty of fuel to engage once there was 3 others there helping i call bullcrap PERKELE!!!!!!!
LOL did you read what I wrote at all? Do you have any sense of situational awareness?
You really don't see the difference between taking a snapshot against an enemy that cannot commit you to a long fight due to other players and committing yourself to an unknown duration of dueling?
He could afford to take a couple passes and rtb where he couldn't afford to start turning and burning with him potentially for minutes to come. It shouldn't be hard to understand.
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This is the perfect example of 2 different gameplay agendas clashing. I suspect Wmaker is going for a top spot in the fighter rank this tour. I don't know, this is just my quess.
Snap, as we all know, is in it purely for the fight and the art of acm. I like both these fellas and won't take sides on who was right or wrong. But I will say that if you have to gang a SBD....well that's pretty lame.
The scoring system unforunately rewards dog eat dog fighting and not the "art" of 1 on 1 dogfighting.
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He wouldn't have heard a word from me had he stayed silent. There's no need for him to start telling me how to fly. I made the dicisions to engage at any given time. As for the whine fest, this very thread was started to have an opportunity to whine about my flying. Ohh, but snaphook isn't whining...he's just "expressing his dissapointment regarding my flying". :rolleyes:
Like I've already said, I was curious if I'd hear from him on Ch200 and he delivered, a whole thread's worth actually. :rofl
ohh brother :rolleyes:
Had he come straight after me he would have easily had his fight. Now he decided to convert his speed back to altitude.
wow.....just....wow,
i never EVER would've imagined one running from an sbd, much less a talented stick.
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Lol honor. You gotta be kidding me.
Tell me:
1) would you have stayed to turnfight snaphook knowing you'll most likely run out of fuel before the fight is over - or would you have started to make your way home instead.
YES ! one or the other, but NOT BOTH either I stay until I'm dead or he is, or I head for home and not turn back.
2) would you have joined others attacking the enemy trying to follow you in to vulch you for landing?
If I had made the choice to head home I would have headed home. Also knowing it was Snap I know he wouldn't try to vulch me on landing, he looks for fights not kills, there is a difference.
And if not, why not? Honor? Stupidity more like.
Honor is a personal thing. Even in the game a player can have honor.
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LOL did you read what I wrote at all? Do you have any sense of situational awareness?
You really don't see the difference between taking a snapshot against an enemy that cannot commit you to a long fight due to other players and committing yourself to an unknown duration of dueling?
He could afford to take a couple passes and rtb where he couldn't afford to start turning and burning with him potentially for minutes to come. It shouldn't be hard to understand.
i do understand he had fuel to gang but not fuel to fight alone its a simple case of protecting ones score cuz he knew sbd could turn inside his brew plus he knew it was a good stick...he wimped out
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my point is validated
i have forgotten the first time we have met i dont take anything on 200 serious and i like to argue on 200 its entertaining most of it is DA bait
but here you sound like a wealthy snob
I can remember our first time very well...you sounded like, well, a snobbish whiner:
(http://www.netcologne.de/~nc-vreckova/ahss2.jpg)
:rofl
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Honor is a personal thing. Even in the game a player can have honor.
If I were in a situation where I was out of fuel, an enemy was following me and I had to ensure a safe landing I would do whatever it takes to eliminate that threat when possible.
Are you SO sure snaphook would have let him just land on his own? Are you saying nobody ever got vulched landing or taking off in MA? LOL gimme a break.
You have to remember that wmaker knew what kind of butterfinger I am, he couldn't count on me and some unknown player to be able to kill a superior fighter like snaphook.
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I can remember our first time very well...you sounded like, well, a snobbish whiner:
(http://www.netcologne.de/~nc-vreckova/ahss2.jpg)
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lol DA bait if you take anything i say serious ive won lolz
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lol DA bait if you take anything i say serious ive won lolz
Why not simply ask for DA? You may have got what you wanted. :aok
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Why not simply ask for DA? You may have got what you wanted. :aok
i want to piss u off and get a good duel judding by u keeping a screen shot id say i pissed u off lol who does that :)
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i want to piss u off and get a good duel judding by u keeping a screen shot id say i pissed u off lol who does that :)
Sounds more like desperate excuses not to be rolled over by HTC banstick for violating EULA.
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Sounds more like desperate excuses not to be rolled over by HTC banstick for violating EULA.
lol think whatever i guess calling a friend of mine an "official retard" make you the supreme player
besides when was this screen like 2 yrs ago when parrots were here
if they want to ban over this DA bait so be it i could care less plenty of other games out there
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lol think whatever i guess calling a friend of mine an "official retard" make you the supreme player
besides when was this screen like 2 yrs ago when parrots were here
I think many who read the text actually agree in my assessment. :)
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Let me make a comment here.
1st I certainly was "situationally aware". I had flown the triangle south then west then north covering 3 bases looking for a fight in general and the 239's in particular. With out question I have no reasonable expectation of a "fair fight" or is anyone under an obligation to offer one. All that being said we generally develop expectations specific to groups and individuals. Knowing that it was a particular squad and their love of aviation history and fondness for historic rides and the fact that they flew a couple of early/mid war rides in the LWA's I felt I had a reasonable chance of getting a fair fight.
My comment on 200 was in no way derogatory. Just surprise that none of them "called me out" to the others (not knowing how many were actually up and around). Had it been 71 SQD no way bat, RT, lengro, manny, brogy etc would have not all been going "mine mine mine" {the 71 battle cry}....but it would have been one of us. In no way does this mean that any person or squad needs to or should fly that way. I simply took offense to the comments on 200 vs a simple straight up "go pound sand" or some such.
So I have no issue with anyone disagreeing with my mind set or inclination. My simple response is that there has always been a strong history of "counting coup" both within the game and in real world WW1/WW2 aviation. Even in 1942 Savonof used to fly an I-16 over to the german bases and offer 1 on 1 combat. Surprisingly he was never ganged once doing so. So in then end my comment on 200 was one of disappointment, nothing more or less, that the circumstances didn't intuitively lead to a meaningful engagement.
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i want to piss u off and get a good duel judding by u keeping a screen shot id say i pissed u off lol who does that :)
LOL, I kept it because i knew it would be useful one day... :D
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I can remember our first time very well...you sounded like, well, a snobbish whiner:
(http://www.netcologne.de/~nc-vreckova/ahss2.jpg)
:rofl
Good stuff there Boozeman, somewhat priceless. :) At the same time however, a rather unfortunate sign of the "community" we have here. :(
My first experience with Twinboom was very similar. Accepted his DA-challenge and shot him down. :) Not that shooting him down matters in anyway, that's just how it was.
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You still don't get it do you? You can keep your own high road and self imposed feel of superiority and shove it. It does not require _any_ action whatsoever from other players it's all in your head. You can follow your rules, the rules do not apply to anyone else.
And whats wrong with looking to show a more honorable side to the game? Your just admitting that you believe that if everyone else plays lame you should too. I on the other hand look to see the game get cleaned up. You've been around long enough to remember that there was some honor before. Sure there was some HOin, but people were new and called out for it and soon they learned to fly better with out HOin. You could call low ammo and the enemy would pull off give a salute and let you RTB.
What are the odds of that stuff happening today? ZERO! So by Wmaker running from a 1 vs 1 and then engaging only after he had numbers it shows anyone in range that it's ok to do lame crap like that because a big name/ good stick does it.
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Good stuff there Boozeman, somewhat priceless. :) At the same time however, a rather unfortunate sign of the "community" we have here. :(
My first experience with Twinboom was very similar. Accepted his DA-challenge and shot him down. :) Not that shooting him down matters in anyway, that's just how it was.
and they were good fights
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Let me make a comment here.
1st I certainly was "situationally aware". I had flown the triangle south then west then north covering 3 bases looking for a fight in general and the 239's in particular. With out question I have no reasonable expectation of a "fair fight" or is anyone under an obligation to offer one. All that being said we generally develop expectations specific to groups and individuals. Knowing that it was a particular squad and their love of aviation history and fondness for historic rides and the fact that they flew a couple of early/mid war rides in the LWA's I felt I had a reasonable chance of getting a fair fight.
My comment on 200 was in no way derogatory. Just surprise that none of them "called me out" to the others (not knowing how many were actually up and around). Had it been 71 SQD no way bat, RT, lengro, manny, brogy etc would have not all been going "mine mine mine" {the 71 battle cry}....but it would have been one of us. In no way does this mean that any person or squad needs to or should fly that way. I simply took offense to the comments on 200 vs a simple straight up "go pound sand" or some such.
So I have no issue with anyone disagreeing with my mind set or inclination. My simple response is that there has always been a strong history of "counting coup" both within the game and in real world WW1/WW2 aviation. Even in 1942 Savonof used to fly an I-16 over to the german bases and offer 1 on 1 combat. Surprisingly he was never ganged once doing so. So in then end my comment on 200 was one of disappointment, nothing more or less, that the circumstances didn't intuitively lead to a meaningful engagement.
Ok now we're getting somewhere:
1) Ganging is a historical fact. It always has happened. People want to live.
2) When I approached the fight I asked wmaker if he wanted to kill you alone. He said he had to rtb for fuel in seconds, feel free to join the fight.
3) We have nothing to do with the third rook player that joined there, we don't even know him by name.
So in the end you have nothing to complain about. Wmaker was rtb fuel, you followed him and got ganged by a simple coincidence.
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LOL, I kept it because i knew it would be useful one day... :D
hehe funny
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hehe funny
Indeed! ;) :D
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and they were good fights
So you did remember after all. :airplane:
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And whats wrong with looking to show a more honorable side to the game? Your just admitting that you believe that if everyone else plays lame you should too. I on the other hand look to see the game get cleaned up. You've been around long enough to remember that there was some honor before. Sure there was some HOin, but people were new and called out for it and soon they learned to fly better with out HOin. You could call low ammo and the enemy would pull off give a salute and let you RTB.
What are the odds of that stuff happening today? ZERO! So by Wmaker running from a 1 vs 1 and then engaging only after he had numbers it shows anyone in range that it's ok to do lame crap like that because a big name/ good stick does it.
There's absolutely NOTHING wrong with that. But you need to remember that your rules do not apply to others. YOU can play any way you like, do NOT whine when others fail to follow your makeshift rules.
I use my own 'ruleset' also while flying but I don't expect anyone else doing the same. When I spent way too much time in the game I started to develop this 'code of conduct' of 'fair play, no HO etc'. But they're just imaginary and your own way of playing the game. A 2-day noob will have no idea of the noble code of conduct lifers in this game have developed for themselves. And you'll end up facing them 100% sure.
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Indeed! ;) :D
lol i like you ur officially someone ill help if i can " u get it " this is a game of words and jokes not serious at all
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So you did remember after all. :airplane:
i vaguely remember our duel but dont remember what i baited you with to get you in there but it worked it seems i win again :x
(http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/angry/stirthepot.gif)
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i vaguely remember our duel but dont remember what i baited you with to get you in there but it worked it seems i win again :x
Lol the classic 'win by losing' internet board argument.
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Lol the classic 'win by losing' internet board argument.
see mr ripley you dont get it you think im serious about everything
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see mr ripley you dont get it you think im serious about everything
Hey we're only labels on UBB you may be a great guy in real life who knows.
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Are you SO sure snaphook would have let him just land on his own? Are you saying nobody ever got vulched landing or taking off in MA? LOL gimme a break.
Ok, I have kept quiet while watching my squaddie getting harassed. Now I'm going to have my say.
I HAVE NOT WATCHED THE FILM SO I WILL NOT COMMENT ON WMAKER AND SNAPHOOK'S CONFRONTATION
Ripley, I have flown with snaphook many times, and has been stated, he flies for fights, not kills. I used to silently mock the guy for constantly picking a big lumbering A20, or a small slow crappy SBD. Who in their right mind flies those for a fight?
Then I saw him fight and I realised, 'I'm flying a Spit 5, looking to increase my knowledge and skills, so I'm out looking for kills. He, He has that. He doesn't need knowledge, he's out for a good time and will take the hardest, most challenging plane, and fly it like a fighter.'
My respect for Snaphook went up 100 fold that day. Now I am listening to you calling his personality, and all that he has worked for into question.
YES I am sure he would not have vulched Wmaker. I am 100% sure, and would stake 5 months of account on that fact, I have never seen him vulch once. I think it's sad that one of the most respected members of our community is suddenly having to hear that he may lower himself to the level of everything he's risen above.
You then state that he was acting like a noob, with 0 SA. Have you flown against Snaphook? Have you flown with him? If the answer to either of those questions is yes, then you are blatently spilling lies saying he has no situational Awareness. If the answer is no, then may I suggest you gather the truth before trying to tarnish his reputation.
Finally, although its constantly said 'Planes don't matter, its the pilot', that's true, but you can not say with any conviction that a SBD with 2-3 cons on him is a very real threat to someone hoping to RTB, and so FORCED Wmaker into having to deal with this threat. Heck, even if Snaphook managed to somehow slip those 2 cons and went for the vulch, by the time he got levelled out and run down Wmaker, he would have been caught by those other two cons. Its a terrible excuse at trying to cover a squaddie.
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Ok, I have kept quiet while watching my squaddie getting harassed. Now I'm going to have my say.
I HAVE NOT WATCHED THE FILM SO I WILL NOT COMMENT ON WMAKER AND SNAPHOOK'S CONFRONTATION
Ripley, I have flown with snaphook many times, and has been stated, he flies for fights, not kills. I used to silently mock the guy for constantly picking a big lumbering A20, or a small slow crappy SBD. Who in their right mind flies those for a fight?
Then I saw him fight and I realised, 'I'm flying a Spit 5, looking to increase my knowledge and skills, so I'm out looking for kills. He, He has that. He doesn't need knowledge, he's out for a good time and will take the hardest, most challenging plane, and fly it like a fighter.'
My respect for Snaphook went up 100 fold that day. Now I am listening to you calling his personality, and all that he has worked for into question.
YES I am sure he would not have vulched Wmaker. I am 100% sure, and would stake 5 months of account on that fact, I have never seen him vulch once. I think it's sad that one of the most respected members of our community is suddenly having to hear that he may lower himself to the level of everything he's risen above.
You then state that he was acting like a noob, with 0 SA. Have you flown against Snaphook? Have you flown with him? If the answer to either of those questions is yes, then you are blatently spilling lies saying he has no situational Awareness. If the answer is no, then may I suggest you gather the truth before trying to tarnish his reputation.
Finally, although its constantly said 'Planes don't matter, its the pilot', that's true, but you can not say with any conviction that a SBD with 2-3 cons on him is a very real threat to someone hoping to RTB, and so FORCED Wmaker into having to deal with this threat. Heck, even if Snaphook managed to somehow slip those 2 cons and went for the vulch, by the time he got levelled out and run down Wmaker, he would have been caught by those other two cons. Its a terrible excuse at trying to cover a squaddie.
So by your own admission it took you months of close game relationship with snaphook before you gained this deep knowledge of his conduct?
What makes you think Wmaker SHOULD have any confidence of his level of morale by a couple of passing confrontations, even less knowing he had only a hunch that it might be snaphook in the SBD.
Do you guys think you're like Elvis'es of AH that everyone should immediately recognize you from the way you shake your hips in SBD and grant you privilege of 1 vs 1 time? LOL.
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Hey we're only labels on UBB you may be a great guy in real life who knows.
Nyt kuolet tässä sarjakuva taivaalla
Tämä on yksinkertainen peli olen painamalla painikkeen saada vastausta .....
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Nyt kuolet tässä sarjakuva taivaalla
Tämä on yksinkertainen peli olen painamalla painikkeen saada vastausta .....
Uh oh, finnish is a very complicated language. Your online translator translated it like this:
Now you die this cartoon on the heaven.
This is a simple game I am by pressing button getting answer.... What exactly did you aim to say? :)
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Nyt kuolet tässä sarjakuva taivaalla
Tämä on yksinkertainen peli olen painamalla painikkeen saada vastausta .....
This made my day!!! :rofl :O :aok
Thanks Twinboom, at least something positive came out of all this crap!!!
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So by your own admission it took you months of close game relationship with snaphook before you gained this deep knowledge of his conduct?
What makes you think Wmaker SHOULD have any confidence of his level of morale by a couple of passing confrontations, even less knowing he had only a hunch that it might be snaphook in the SBD.
Do you guys think you're like Elvis'es of AH that everyone should immediately recognize you from the way you shake your hips in SBD and grant you privilege of 1 vs 1 time? LOL.
he clearly stated he knew it was snaphook.....was more than a hunch :) your story seems to change a little bit every post; seems molded to accomodate you just my $0.02
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There's absolutely NOTHING wrong with that. But you need to remember that your rules do not apply to others. YOU can play any way you like, do NOT whine when others fail to follow your makeshift rules.
I use my own 'ruleset' also while flying but I don't expect anyone else doing the same. When I spent way too much time in the game I started to develop this 'code of conduct' of 'fair play, no HO etc'. But they're just imaginary and your own way of playing the game. A 2-day noob will have no idea of the noble code of conduct lifers in this game have developed for themselves. And you'll end up facing them 100% sure.
True I fly by my rules as you fly by yours, but I like to believe we teach/lead by example. Wmaker example was a poor one. Which leads to more poor game play. As more of us hold our selves to a "higher code" more will follow and before you know it the lame players will be the minority in stead of the majority.
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Uh oh, finnish is a very complicated language. Your online translator translated it like this:
Now you die this cartoon on the heaven.
This is a simple game I am by pressing button getting answer.... What exactly did you aim to say? :)
said now you will die in this cartoon sky
its a simple game i press buttons to get a reaction lol
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he clearly stated he knew it was snaphook.....was more than a hunch :) your story seems to change a little bit every post; seems molded to accomodate you just my $0.02
So if you met me on cartoon sky and found out it was me against you, what kind of conduct would you magically follow then? When you're a squaddie you get to know people. When you're an enemy side player you kill or get killed, you don't get to be friends with your opposing players let alone know their code of conduct.
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So if you met me on cartoon sky and found out it was me against you, what kind of conduct would you magically follow then? When you're a squaddie you get to know people. When you're an enemy side player you kill or get killed, you don't get to be friends with your opposing players let alone know their code of conduct.
i wasnt stating a thing about flying conduct. perhaps if you weren't so defensive you might have noticed this. was simply stating that your story changes. another $0.02
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Hunch or knew it was snap... Please get your stories straight.
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So if you met me on cartoon sky and found out it was me against you, what kind of conduct would you magically follow then? When you're a squaddie you get to know people. When you're an enemy side player you kill or get killed, you don't get to be friends with your opposing players let alone know their code of conduct.
I'd say that a significant portion of the regular player base knows that I'll do my best to call off a friendly if I'm engaged one on one in anything other then a pure B&Z attack. If an other friendly jumps in i'll normally disengage...
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What makes you think Wmaker SHOULD have any confidence of his level of morale by a couple of passing confrontations, even less knowing he had only a hunch that it might be snaphook in the SBD.
Oh please sir, give me a BIT of respect.
How many SBD's do you see trying to dogfight away from a CV? Personally I have never seen one othe rthan being flown by Snaphook. Also Wmaker already stated he knew it was Snaphook and was hoping to get a reaction. Please, I have a brain.
On your point about having to judge character, I did indeed say that it took me a while. However I was a newbie into the game, struggling to find my feet and constantly coming up against people with their own ideas on how I should fly. Wmaker has been around a lot longer than I have, as has Snaphook. Are you trying to tell me that you have never heard of anyone's reputation? You fly in the game and you hear about these things. I have never flown with Guppy, but I've heard all about him, and so I have a lot of respect for him. Another famous lady was Schatzi. Do any of the old vets here want to stand up and tell me they never heard of Schatzi's reputation in a Hurri 1?
Wmaker will of heard of Snaphooks reputation. He most probably knew that Snaphook would never vultch.
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i wasnt stating a thing about flying conduct. perhaps if you weren't so defensive you might have noticed this. was simply stating that your story changes. another $0.02
My story doesn't change a bit. You're trying to twist things to suit your own purposes here. Tell me, was there a sign 'snaphook' on the SBD? If not, how could wmaker be 100% sure it was snaphook?
Even if he was 100% sure which I have no way of knowing, what makes you think he knew by wordless communication that snaphooks ruleset required a 1 vs 1 fight despite running out of fuel doing it? What makes you think we who joined the fight knew it was snaphook and we should not stop him?
You see, MA is a very complicated place with hundreds of individual players. Like it or not you cannot control what they do randomly at random locations.
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My story doesn't change a bit. You're trying to twist things to suit your own purposes here. Tell me, was there a sign 'snaphook' on the SBD? If not, how could wmaker be 100% sure it was snaphook?
Even if he was 100% sure which I have no way of knowing, what makes you think he knew by wordless communication that snaphooks ruleset required a 1 vs 1 fight despite running out of fuel doing it? What makes you think we who joined the fight knew it was snaphook and we should not stop him?
You see, MA is a very complicated place with hundreds of individual players. Like it or not you cannot control what they do randomly at random locations.
lol my own purposes?? my "purpose" was to point out the variations in your story. I'm simply here reading threads. im not on either side of this debate. lol, twisting for my own purposes....isn't that what I just said to you?
and ease up on Wmakers ankle, all that humping is bound to chaff
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Oh please sir, give me a BIT of respect.
How many SBD's do you see trying to dogfight away from a CV? Personally I have never seen one othe rthan being flown by Snaphook. Also Wmaker already stated he knew it was Snaphook and was hoping to get a reaction. Please, I have a brain.
Sorry but when I saw snaphooks SBD approaching our field my first thought was it was some noob cannon fodder that by miracle made his way undetected that far. Your internet egos do not fly past country borders, you're anonymous more or less to the enemy. Just as non existent as Wmakers knowledge of snaps identity is to me.
You're taking awful leaps of confidence making assumptions that enemy players should know you or snaphook well enough to do jack about it.
I think that some people really think their internet ego shines through the borders that game imposes upon us. Well it doesn't. Boo-hoo :)
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lol my own purposes?? my "purpose" was to point out the variations in your story. I'm simply here reading threads. im not on either side of this debate. lol, twisting for my own purposes....isn't that what I just said to you?
and ease up on Wmakers ankle, all that humping is bound to chaff
The only reason I'm commenting this thing is that I was taking part in the fight and know what happened from our side. What exactly is your motivation in commenting on the issue i.e. ankle humping snaphook and his squaddies? ;)
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I wasn't setting the SBD up for anything, I was testing if my hypothesis was correct. Ie, setting you up for Ch200 tirade. Thanks for not dissapointing. :)
Ripley, Wmaker knew.
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The only reason I'm commenting this thing is that I was taking part in the fight and know what happened from our side. What exactly is your motivation in commenting on the issue i.e. ankle humping snaphook and his squaddies? ;)
again, you misread. im not on snaphooks side of the arguement, im simply here reading threads. lol i didnt even watch the video. im just saying that your version of the event had varied. if you'd like me to explain that for a 4th time, please just ask.
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Not that this has much relevance considering I've already explained my desicion making more than once but...
As I had shot him down in an earlier sortie in an SBD I was quite sure it was him. I very very rarely see him online probably due to number of reasons, I really dont care how he flies and it really had no bearing to the situation itself. As Ripley engaged I took a look at the fuel gauge and my alt and engaged myself. I've just remembered him commenting on Ch200 after getting killed sometime and as the situation unfolded I knew a reaction was on its way. Having been on the recieving end of several Ch200 tirades recently, I answered in an "ohh shaddap!" kind of manner, somewhat of a kneejerk reaction on my part. That set snaphook off and here we are. :) As I've said again and again, had he stayed silent he wouldn't have heard a thing from me. He could have just taken a new plane and come looking for me.
I'll quote myself:
The only one anyone here has control over is themselves. The moment someone starts telling others how they should spend or should have spent their free time in an online pc game, he is out of line.
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again, you misread. im not on snaphooks side of the arguement, im simply here reading threads. lol i didnt even watch the video. im just saying that your version of the event had varied. if you'd like me to explain that for a 4th time, please just ask.
You have a not-so-well hidden agenda anyway so please tell me what's your motivation? Xenophobia? Homeland versus eurotrash? Come clean.
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Sorry to butt in, but Snaphook I know your a good stick, next time your on let me know I'd like to fly against you. I've been flying the SBD a lot as of late, and to be honest I really enjoy it. :salute
Ok everyone else continue on...
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Ripley, Wmaker knew.
Heh, again even if he knew he was out of fuel. Now what makes you think he should have started a fight he would lose 100% sure to loss of fuel? I wouldn't for sure.
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All that being said we generally develop expectations specific to groups and individuals. Knowing that it was a particular squad and their love of aviation history and fondness for historic rides and the fact that they flew a couple of early/mid war rides in the LWA's I felt I had a reasonable chance of getting a fair fight.
Looks like you seriously overestimated or gave more credit than was due. Not a surprise, it is the MA. There is no honor or "code" among groups, only certain individuals. The MA unfortunately, as it exists today, is a place to kill however a kill may be won, regardless of what point between "well earned" and "totally dweebish" that kill may fall. HOing when the numbers are greatly in your favor, picking, ganging, all standard practice. I've found we each fly with our own personal "code" but there's very little chance that the red icon approaching you gives a rat's arse about anyone's expectations of good play.
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This is degenerating beyond it's intent in the sense that its not important if it was "me" or if I was SA deficient etc. My title was an honest question. Why do each of us play? For me it has always been love of the fight. Probably because I had no real natural ability. Almost 2 decades later I'm still a mediocre stick on the opened scale. As a general rule I don't ever talk a lot of smack...I'm just not good enough to back it up for one thing. So my question on 200 was legitimate...nobody wanted to go 1 on 1 with an SBD? I get ganged all the time, no problem. I never hide behind what I chose to fly or taunt the other guy or put out garbage on 200 "you were scared" or "I'd have owned you". Most of the good sticks I run into simply eviscerate me and on more then one occasion I've gotten the comment back "I knew it was probably you and I'm not gonna mess around and get stupid with you" {or words to that effect}.
To be candid I found wmakers comments on 200 surprising and out of character based on my perception of him and my perception of how I'm viewed within the game. I've got (in my own mind) zero reputation as either a smack talker or a whiner (although we all have our moments in the sun). I'm certainly not in the "U've bn pwnd" faction or the "spitard, HO, runstang" one or any other subset I can think of. So to me this was just a chance for a good pilot (obviously I was 99% sure which squad but not a particular person but they are all good sticks) in a favored ride to have some fun with a willing opponent in proximity to his own base...nothing more or less.
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This is degenerating beyond it's intent in the sense that its not important if it was "me" or if I was SA deficient etc. My title was an honest question. Why do each of us play? For me it has always been love of the fight. Probably because I had no real natural ability. Almost 2 decades later I'm still a mediocre stick on the opened scale. As a general rule I don't ever talk a lot of smack...I'm just not good enough to back it up for one thing. So my question on 200 was legitimate...nobody wanted to go 1 on 1 with an SBD? I get ganged all the time, no problem. I never hide behind what I chose to fly or taunt the other guy or put out garbage on 200 "you were scared" or "I'd have owned you". Most of the good sticks I run into simply eviscerate me and on more then one occasion I've gotten the comment back "I knew it was probably you and I'm not gonna mess around and get stupid with you" {or words to that effect}.
To be candid I found wmakers comments on 200 surprising and out of character based on my perception of him and my perception of how I'm viewed within the game. I've got (in my own mind) zero reputation as either a smack talker or a whiner (although we all have our moments in the sun). I'm certainly not in the "U've bn pwnd" faction or the "spitard, HO, runstang" one or any other subset I can think of. So to me this was just a chance for a good pilot (obviously I was 99% sure which squad but not a particular person but they are all good sticks) in a favored ride to have some fun with a willing opponent in proximity to his own base...nothing more or less.
Dear Humble. Dueling Arena is for 1 on 1 fights. Main arena is for massive online multiplayer experience where your opponents and number of them vary randomly. You might fly alone and end up fighting an organized squad of veteran players. This you can't do anything about (well, except logging to DA with someone special).
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Dear Humble. Dueling Arena is for 1 on 1 fights. Main arena is for ganging, picking, running, HOing, hording, picking, running, HOing and picking some more. You can do all these things as a group and then thump your chest about how stupid it is for anyone to expect good gameplay in the MA. This you can't do anything about (well, except logging to DA with someone special).
Fixed tha for ya. ;)
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In fact next time I'll get ganged by 6 higher, faster, more firepowered and tougher enemies I'll strongly demand them to engage me one by one so I can have a fair chance of shooting them down in my brewster. Kinda like Karate movies where the hero is circled by 10 enemies and the others stand around shaking their fists and attack one at a time so the hero can knock them down using the two hands and feet he has :neener:
Somehow I'm guessing it will not happen though.
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To be candid I found wmakers comments on 200 surprising and out of character based on my perception of him
Please read my previous posts, I fully admitted that I jumped the gun and were too harsh. I'm just growing tired with the general Ch200-mentality, it wasn't about you alone.
But knowing how these kind of thread end up, starting one is just plain stupidity in my eyes no matter what your underlying agenda is. You could have just upped another plane and come looking for trouble and let the virtual guns do the talking for you but instead, you logged off and started typing...
<sigh>
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I too respect both Snaphook and Wmaker so not taking sides. However the only thing more fun to me than a great 1 on 1 in the MA's is good wingwork with a squadmate. DA has f3 mode which can negate a good move. I had a few fun fights with snaphook and Cobia38 this morning and I can say they both have lots of class and fight as fair as possible. Its does tend to run one out of fuel waiting your turn though:). I don't look for 1 on 1's nor fight fair when in squad activities as main goal is to protect and set up squadie plus whatever the squads current activity is. It is also not looked upon in favor by my squad at least leaving your squadies to go off and duel someone during squad ops. The only thing better than a good 1 on 1 is the cameraderie of flying with your squadies. Also score can matter for your squad so it can be understandable to avoid a 1 on 1. I doubt there are too many regulars that don't know the SBD under 3 k is most likely snaphook looking for a protracted stall fight or the low lone A20 is cobia38 looking for same. I'm sure snaphook was just frustrated he couldn't try out wmaker in his brewster it would of been a great fight. No one has to alter their game play to suit anyone else.
It probably is getting more rare to get a good 1 on 1 situation these days but when it happens it reminds some of us why the game is so much fun. Those of us that enjoy it eventually find each other. Not everyones cup of tea so I reserve the right to HO,gang, and pick with the rest-LOL.
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I too respect both Snaphook and Wmaker so not taking sides. However the only thing more fun to me than a great 1 on 1 in the MA's is good wingwork with a squadmate. DA has f3 mode which can negate a good move. I had a few fun fights with snaphook and Cobia38 this morning and I can say they both have lots of class and fight as fair as possible. Its does tend to run one out of fuel waiting your turn though:). I don't look for 1 on 1's nor fight fair when in squad activities as main goal is to protect and set up squadie plus whatever the squads current activity is. It is also not looked upon in favor by my squad at least leaving your squadies to go off and duel someone during squad ops. The only thing better than a good 1 on 1 is the cameraderie of flying with your squadies. Also score can matter for your squad so it can be understandable to avoid a 1 on 1. I doubt there are too many regulars that don't know the SBD under 3 k is most likely snaphook looking for a protracted stall fight or the low lone A20 is cobia38 looking for same. I'm sure snaphook was just frustrated he couldn't try out wmaker in his brewster it would of been a great fight. No one has to alter their game play to suit anyone else.
It probably is getting more rare to get a good 1 on 1 situation these days but when it happens it reminds some of us why the game is so much fun. Those of us that enjoy it eventually find each other. Not everyones cup of tea so I reserve the right to HO,gang, and pick with the rest-LOL.
LOL you take too much for granted. I've been in this game since 2000 and its the first time I hear such. Nor should I care about it anyway. They're just targets.
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I doubt there are too many regulars that don't know the SBD under 3 k is most likely snaphook looking for a protracted stall fight or the low lone A20 is cobia38 looking for same.
I have killed 96 SBDs and was killed by 6 of them in LW arena so far.
IIRC, none of them was flown by Snaphook. Similar situation with cobia and his A20. In such a huge arena, I don't assume anyone being in a particular plane unless I know he's in the area.
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Actually I asked you point blank if you wanted to take this to the BBS and you said yes. Your exact words were you trolled a whine out of me...and that I'm one of those who whine when I get killed.
My response was "why because I would have loved a 1 on 1 vs an excellent stick". I never "whined" at all about getting killed, just about not getting a chance to cross props with you. I've been flying the SBD all weekend and you can't find a single instance of me whining about getting killed. In fact here is my last hop. I could easily dodged the last fight or bowed out after the last "kill" to go land my 5 pelts. bottom line is I was out there looking for a fight and war always gives me one.
http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/film74.ahf (http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/film74.ahf )
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Lushe, Wmaker had cleared me off of a 109 20 min or so earlier. I would have assumed he didn't know it was me except for his comments on 200 afterward. Regardless of that he certainly was under no obligation to offer me a fight. his comments afterward are what tweaked me a bit. Again I actually have no issue with what occured, was I hoping for something different sure...it was the commentary on 200 that I found disappointing.
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I too respect both Snaphook and Wmaker so not taking sides. However the only thing more fun to me than a great 1 on 1 in the MA's is good wingwork with a squadmate. DA has f3 mode which can negate a good move. I had a few fun fights with snaphook and Cobia38 this morning and I can say they both have lots of class and fight as fair as possible. Its does tend to run one out of fuel waiting your turn though:). I don't look for 1 on 1's nor fight fair when in squad activities as main goal is to protect and set up squadie plus whatever the squads current activity is. It is also not looked upon in favor by my squad at least leaving your squadies to go off and duel someone during squad ops. The only thing better than a good 1 on 1 is the cameraderie of flying with your squadies. Also score can matter for your squad so it can be understandable to avoid a 1 on 1. I doubt there are too many regulars that don't know the SBD under 3 k is most likely snaphook looking for a protracted stall fight or the low lone A20 is cobia38 looking for same. I'm sure snaphook was just frustrated he couldn't try out wmaker in his brewster it would of been a great fight. No one has to alter their game play to suit anyone else.
It probably is getting more rare to get a good 1 on 1 situation these days but when it happens it reminds some of us why the game is so much fun. Those of us that enjoy it eventually find each other. Not everyones cup of tea so I reserve the right to HO,gang, and pick with the rest-LOL.
Fun fun fights earlier... :airplane: :joystick: :salute
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Lushe, Wmaker had cleared me off of a 109 20 min or so earlier.
I wasn't commenting on your particular "incident", but on WarSix' general statement, which I quoted.
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Actually I asked you point blank if you wanted to take this to the BBS and you said yes.
Untrue. You said: "I'll put the film up for you". You didn't ask me anything, you told me that you were going to put the film up for me. I seriously didn't think you were going to start a tirade on the BBS after you had 30secs to cool down. I was wrong there. I did reply "by all means" as I really didn't have anything to hide.
his comments afterward are what tweaked me a bit. Again I actually have no issue with what occured, was I hoping for something different sure...it was the commentary on 200 that I found disappointing.
If you didn't have an issue with what occurred you wouldn't have said anything on the Ch200 afterwards to begin with. Like I've said time and again, I jumped the gun on the Ch200 due to the crap that has been slung at me there recently. On a hindsight I should have just given out my standard reply to those type of comments; This isn't a DA.
Once more:
The only one anyone here has control over is themselves. The moment someone starts telling others how they should spend or should have spent their free time in an online pc game, he is out of line.
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Hey I'll start threads of everyone that refuses to fly straight and slow in front of my BW from now on as I consider this is the proper thing to do to boost my score.
And God all mighty what bashing will ensue if someone refuses!
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You have a not-so-well hidden agenda anyway so please tell me what's your motivation? Xenophobia? Homeland versus eurotrash? Come clean.
lol, what? you have a seriously skewed perception of what is going on here. i've never even heard of you. i could care less where you're from; in fact i didn't even know you were "euro-trash" as you so eloquently put it. my only "agenda" here is point out your varying story, for the 5th time. read into what you will, your paranoia and obvoius inferiority complex have shown through brilliantly. you ask me to come clean, here it is......you have a varying story. there it is. for the 6th time. do you get it now? need it a 7th time? you have a varying story. here, have a banana, on me :banana:
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I play for those cute little explosions wirbles make when a bomb lands on them. :devil
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Without commenting on this particular incident, I will say that I've NEVER understood why people think they have ANY reasonable expectaion of a 1 v. 1 fight in the MA. (same goes for co-alt, co-e, similar aircraft performance, equal position advantage, etc.)
DA? Fine, different arena, different rules. MA? If anyone ever gets a "fair" fight in the MA, then I say one side didn't do their job right. If someone gets caught in an "un-fair" position, thats either bad luck or their mistake. Suck it up. It's a war.
There are only 2 kinds of combat pilots. Bastirdz's and suka's. Suka's complain about how un-fair it all was, Bastirdz fly home and F-the-PromQueen.
(Oh and before anyone gets their feathers ruffled, I've been both at various times. So have most I suspect. :P)
$0.02,
Wab
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lol, what? you have a seriously skewed perception of what is going on here. i've never even heard of you. i could care less where you're from; in fact i didn't even know you were "euro-trash" as you so eloquently put it. my only "agenda" here is point out your varying story, for the 5th time. read into what you will, your paranoia and obvoius inferiority complex have shown through brilliantly. you ask me to come clean, here it is......you have a varying story. there it is. for the 6th time. do you get it now? need it a 7th time? you have a varying story. here, have a banana, on me :banana:
Heheh keep on going, tell me what part did you take in the fight we're discussing here again? None I presume. So you must have some other agenda on your attacks.
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Heheh keep on going, tell me what part did you take in the fight we're discussing here again? None I presume. So you must have some other agenda on your attacks.
there ya go, skewed perception. again, i was simply pointing out your varied story. that's it. there is nothing more to it than that. i made a simple statement, and you have blown it waaay out of proportion. i was making no "attacks". this thread wasn't and isn't about you and i arguing, i'm willing to let this die if you are.
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there ya go, skewed perception. again, i was simply pointing out your varied story. that's it. there is nothing more to it than that. i made a simple statement, and you have blown it waaay out of proportion. i was making no "attacks". this thread wasn't and isn't about you and i arguing, i'm willing to let this die if you are.
Please point out where my story varied. In the part where I was guessing what wmaker might have thought in his head? Strawman argument for creating negation at best. :)
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I enjoy seeing "smart" "pilots" talk about how inferior everyone else is.
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Without commenting on this particular incident, I will say that I've NEVER understood why people think they have ANY reasonable expectaion of a 1 v. 1 fight in the MA. (same goes for co-alt, co-e, similar aircraft performance, equal position advantage, etc.)
DA? Fine, different arena, different rules. MA? If anyone ever gets a "fair" fight in the MA, then I say one side didn't do their job right. If someone gets caught in an "un-fair" position, thats either bad luck or their mistake. Suck it up. It's a war.
There are only 2 kinds of combat pilots. Bastirdz's and suka's. Suka's complain about how un-fair it all was, Bastirdz fly home and F-the-PromQueen.
(Oh and before anyone gets their feathers ruffled, I've been both at various times. So have most I suspect. :P)
$0.02,
Wab
I was keeping up with what your saying till you said :"Its a war" YOur in the right squad for your mentality.
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The clip here is a major disappointment to me in the sense that I was hoping for a good 1 on 1 and was surprised that a quality stick from what I've always considered to be a quality squad would not want the same.
very similar thing happened to me against the same guy. He had the advantage in his Brewster, but wouldn't fight 1v1 and only engaged once he had friendly backup. After getting killed by his buddy in my Hurri MkIIc I extended a cordial invitation to the DA, which he graciously accepted, providing I stick with the Hurri, and he with the Brewster.
I won the first fight, but he took exception to the style, so in the second fight he tried to use energy tactics by zooming after the merge. It would have ended there had my gunnery been better, but he was determined, and resorted to a HO on the next pass that left me with very poor vision due to oil and grease all over the canopy. I never gave up, and my poor little Hurri took one heck of a beating before I finally out flew him and claimed the victory.
http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20401945/Wmaker_0001.ahf (http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20401945/Wmaker_0001.ahf)
http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20401946/Wmaker_0002.ahf (http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20401946/Wmaker_0002.ahf)
The catch is, owning him in the DA 1v1 only proved to him how wise his wussy tactics really were after all.
Gunzo
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very similar thing happened to me against the same guy.
Color me surprised.
So Saurdaukar, was looking at your Avatar...is your handle Mazz in the game nowadays? :)
Has been since the mid-90's, or so.
Here, have a scorpion. It'll pass the time between "extensions." :)
This is degenerating beyond it's intent in the sense that its not important if it was "me" or if I was SA deficient etc.
Immaterial. You are wasting your time on the subject individual. While your intentions may be (and I know are) genuine, they only serve to feed a juvenile's need for reaction.
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very similar thing happened to me against the same guy. He had the advantage in his Brewster, but wouldn't fight 1v1 and only engaged once he had friendly backup. After getting killed by his buddy in my Hurri MkIIc I extended a cordial invitation to the DA, which he graciously accepted, providing I stick with the Hurri, and he with the Brewster.
I won the first fight, but he took exception to the style, so in the second fight he tried to use energy tactics by zooming after the merge. It would have ended there had my gunnery been better, but he was determined, and resorted to a HO on the next pass that left me with very poor vision due to oil and grease all over the canopy. I never gave up, and my poor little Hurri took one heck of a beating before I finally out flew him and claimed the victory.
http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20401945/Wmaker_0001.ahf (http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20401945/Wmaker_0001.ahf)
http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20401946/Wmaker_0002.ahf (http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20401946/Wmaker_0002.ahf)
The catch is, owning him in the DA 1v1 only proved to him how wise his wussy tactics really were after all.
Gunzo
Lol so 1 win out of 2 is owning now? classic. :)
Hurri2c is a one ping wonder that enables you to kill the enemy by 1 lucky spray hit. That's weak.
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I was keeping up with what your saying till you said :"Its a war" YOur in the right squad for your mentality.
So, we're going to try and drag squads into this now?
I remember reading an Japanese Ace's autobiography years ago. His name escapes me now but you'd recognize it.
I remember a passage where he described how he came to realize the Japanese were doom to defeat. Japanese aces couldn't get over the concept that they were going to separate and engage in one-on-one "samurai" duels with the American pilots. The Americans would just grin and use their wingmen to set the Japanese pilot up for a tag team and shred him into little bits of fish food over the blue Pacific ocean. He knew they had little chance to win because they just couldn't seem to master the same kind of "Football" team tactics like the American's were using.
Food for thought.
Wab
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very similar thing happened to me against the same guy. He had the advantage in his Brewster, but wouldn't fight 1v1 and only engaged once he had friendly backup. After getting killed by his buddy in my Hurri MkIIc I extended a cordial invitation to the DA, which he graciously accepted, providing I stick with the Hurri, and he with the Brewster.
I won the first fight, but he took exception to the style, so in the second fight he tried to use energy tactics by zooming after the merge. It would have ended there had my gunnery been better, but he was determined, and resorted to a HO on the next pass that left me with very poor vision due to oil and grease all over the canopy. I never gave up, and my poor little Hurri took one heck of a beating before I finally out flew him and claimed the victory.
http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20401945/Wmaker_0001.ahf (http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20401945/Wmaker_0001.ahf)
http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20401946/Wmaker_0002.ahf (http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20401946/Wmaker_0002.ahf)
The catch is, owning him in the DA 1v1 only proved to him how wise his wussy tactics really were after all.
Gunzo
Just wow, that definately was below the belt!
You said yourself we were just testing planes, and the moment I said lets change planes you were suddenly in a hurry and logged out. No problem just found it funny. You said yourself lets go to DA and test planes....the way you act now is a rather big contrast to that situation. I won't go into the name calling but that is just low. The minute I said lets change planes you were in a hurry to leave. :) You would have losed just the same way in a Brewster against a Hurricane IIc as I did as long as 6000ft hard deck is used. Just like I told you.
And here's why:
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=55&p2=101&pw=1>ype=2)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=55&p2=101&pw=1>ype=0)
On the deck Brewster out maneuvers HurricaneIIc but with a hard deck at 6000ft it gets both out turned, out run and out climbed by a clear margin. This is due to the fact that Hurricane's supercharger keeps the power up to much higher altitudes while Brewster's power starts to drop sharply after 3000 feet as can be seen from the climb chart.
Deltadog/Gunzo, we both know what would have happened if we have changed planes but I don't think you will be up for it anytime soon. :)
I really don't care wheater I lose or not but that was just low from you and you know it. The minute I said, lets change planes between us you left in a hurry.
You truly are a piece of work Gunzo! :)
Just wow, I guess it's the kick Wmaker -weekend!
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Lol so 1 win out of 2 is owning now? classic. :)
Where did you get the idea I lost any? It was 2 out of 2 Brewster v Hurri, but we did other aircraft and I won them all, have film if required :)
Hurri2c is a one ping wonder that enables you to kill the enemy by 1 lucky spray hit. That's weak.
For you perhaps, but if you watched the film you would have seen there were no lucky shots involved :)
Gunzo
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Where did you get the idea I lost any? It was 2 out of 2 Brewster v Hurri, but we did other aircraft and I won them all, have film if required :)
For you perhaps, but if you watched the film you would have seen there were no lucky shots involved :)
Gunzo
I misread.. but whatever as wmaker stated you took films out of context to troll.
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I misread.. but whatever as wmaker stated you took films out of context to troll.
I fully understand the desire to defend your squaddies, but your boy *is* the troll.
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It was 2 out of 2 Brewster v Hurri, but we did other aircraft and I won them all, have film if required :)
Please post the films of the fights with other aircraft, as we only did a couple fights me flying the Brewster and you flying the Hurricane IIC. When I suggested that we'd switch planes, you were logging in a hurry. There were no other fights with other planes.
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Just wow, that definately was below the belt!
Just like your wussy arena tactics you mean?
The minute I said lets change planes you were in a hurry to leave.
Losers always want to keep going in the hope they will eventually win one, pwnage gets boring after a while.
And here's why:
OMG you posted speed charts to explain why you lost :rofl :rofl
Everyone knows the Brewster turns much tighter than a Hurri at any altitude, you can even see that in the film, I only overcame your advantage using my uber skilz :rock
Just wow, I guess it's the kick Wmaker -weekend!
Give up the wussy tactics and try to fly like a manly man... you know it makes sense :lol
Gunzo
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very similar thing happened to me against the same guy. He had the advantage in his Brewster, but wouldn't fight 1v1 and only engaged once he had friendly backup. After getting killed by his buddy in my Hurri MkIIc I extended a cordial invitation to the DA, which he graciously accepted, providing I stick with the Hurri, and he with the Brewster.
This is basically all lies aswell. :) IIRC I shot Deltadog down twice (I probably have the film) and then Deltadog casually pm'ed me if I wanted to test these planes out in the DA. And of course I said yes as it was a good opportunity to fly nice turning fights against Brewster's historical foe! Well as we picked the fields I didn't realize there were 6000ft highlands under me. No problem Deltadog won those fight, it's just that in that sort of setup Brewster is in quite a disadvantage. The true colours of Deltadog were revealed as after couple of fights I said lets change planes around. The moment I said it he said "look, I gotta go!". :) there were no fights with any other planes...the guy is simply lying. :)
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A couple of more comments. I flew with the AK's for years and they are a fine bunch. I regularly run into other squads with good sticks who fly as a unit and often are considered a "horde". I've never complained and in fact have worked with a number of them on various elements of the game. I also have no issue with anyone who plays the game for score or those who fly to "get their name in lights". From my perspective my comment on 200 was a relatively simple and straight forward lament about an opportunity for a "quality fight" that didn't happen. Since I don't fly for score or generally RTB unless I'm bingo or out of adversaries my thought process is pretty singular...i look for a red bar and fly toward it.
Ripley is the 1st I saw here to bring up score...thought never crossed my mind. Wmaker brought up relative performance...has minimal impact on the outcome IMO. From the various comments from wmaker and a few PM's it seems more then a few folks have commented on 200 or by other means regarding the "change" in how he plays the game. The flip side is we all reserve the right to have fun as we see it. A few weeks ago someone was filming and commenting on 200 that I was vulching...well yes indeedie I was and having fun doing it. RT had called a squad weekend (rare for us) and the boys were out playing digital dirt warrior and I gladly did my part suppressing enemy tactical elements upon deployment (since we don't vulch).
I gleefully told the poor sod as I pummeled him for the 3rd or 4th time that since i let his wheels get to 300 rpm it wasn't really a vulch but that if he wanted to roll from the next field over i'd head his way since the pickins were getting thin anyway.
So in the end the reality is pretty simple, wmaker took issue with my comments because they (and others before) obviously annoyed him. I have no ax to grind here with either him or his squad. My only comment then and now is it would have been a fun fight.
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Everyone knows the Brewster turns much tighter than a Hurri at any altitude, you can even see that in the film, I only overcame your advantage using my uber skilz :rock
Ok, I'm sure you then don't have any problems repeating the experiment flying the Brewster with 6000ft hard deck against me in a Hurricane IIc? :)
BTW, are you posting the films you have from those "other fights" you said you have them. :)
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hurricanr vs 239 the 239 is by far the better dog fighter. Not even close, if FQ shots are excluded the hurricane should have a minimal chance at best given equal pilots.
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hurricanr vs 239 the 239 is by far the better dog fighter. Not even close, if FQ shots are excluded the hurricane should have a minimal chance at best given equal pilots.
On the 0ft deck this is very much true however as the altitude increases the better it is for the Hurricane.
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This is basically all lies aswell. :)
Nope, all true and the films prove the point :P
Well as we picked the fields I didn't realize there were 6000ft highlands under me.
Nope, YOU picked the fields, now please just stop crying, I feed on your tears :rofl :rofl
Gunzo
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You need to realize I'm a nut flying around in an SBD looking for anything red. To me (within reason) the more altitude the better. I'd be just as happy in a 239 at 15k as 500 ft vs a hurricane. Recognizing the tremendous advantage the hurricane has with regard to FQ shots you always run the risk of successive face shots. The flip side is that the hurricane is seriously deficient in any 3 dimensional angles encounter and has to be flown as an E fighter. So in the end this is a pilot match up most of the time. As long as I have enough air under my wings to be able to exploit the verticals in a -E condition I could care less what the other guy is flying. I'll manufacture my own relative performance as required given the altitude to work with. Its gunnery that gets me most of the time...
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Nope, all true and the films prove the point :P
Nope, YOU picked the fields, now please just stop crying, I feed on your tears :rofl :rofl
No crying here. :)
Yes it could have well been me who picked the fields, I just didn't take into account that the deck was going to be so high.
You say that the Brewster turns better at any altitude. Then, you shouldn't have any problem flying against me with a 6k hard deck with you in the Brewster and me in the Hurricane. If you kill¨me in the same fashion as you killed me in the Hurricane, I'll happily admit that you are way better than me, no problem. :)
I'll ask once again, where are those films from our fights with "other planes". You said you have them if they are needed. Well they are needed now. Please post them.
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You need to realize I'm a nut flying around in an SBD looking for anything red. To me (within reason) the more altitude the better. I'd be just as happy in a 239 at 15k as 500 ft vs a hurricane. Recognizing the tremendous advantage the hurricane has with regard to FQ shots you always run the risk of successive face shots. The flip side is that the hurricane is seriously deficient in any 3 dimensional angles encounter and has to be flown as an E fighter. So in the end this is a pilot match up most of the time. As long as I have enough air under my wings to be able to exploit the verticals in a -E condition I could care less what the other guy is flying. I'll manufacture my own relative performance as required given the altitude to work with. Its gunnery that gets me most of the time...
And you need to realize that the situation with a high hard deck is totally different compared to MA. On the deck La-7 is all over a Ta-152. But imagine if we were to put them to 32000ft with a hard deck of 30000ft that you can't pass through. The situation would be drastically different.
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I don't ever fly that high so I wouldn't know. But as a general rule at any normal engagement altitude I could care less what the other guy is flying. If i'm at 8k with a sea level hard deck I'm just as happy in a 152 as the la-7. Far as i'm concerned I can beat one with the other with minimal problem or lose to either depending on who's driving the bus. The less alt I have under me the more defensive I am if I happen to have the inferior performance band. Given reasonable alt to work with it becomes a matter of ACM. In the end you can't get close enough to kill me without giving me a chance to kill you as long as I can maneuver unimpeded in 3 dimensions for a reasonable period of time.
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It's too bad the fights in-game don't last as long as the arguements about them :rolleyes:
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I don't ever fly that high so I wouldn't know.
I don't either, but at those altitudes it really is down to the actual power loadings as stall speeds rise to very high levels. I gave it as an extreme example.
But as a general rule at any normal engagement altitude I could care less what the other guy is flying. If i'm at 8k with a sea level hard deck I'm just as happy in a 152 as the la-7. Far as i'm concerned I can beat one with the other with minimal problem or lose to either depending on who's driving the bus. The less alt I have under me the more defensive I am if I happen to have the inferior performance band. Given reasonable alt to work with it becomes a matter of ACM. In the end you can't get close enough to kill me without giving me a chance to kill you as long as I can maneuver unimpeded in 3 dimensions for a reasonable period of time.
None of this has anything to do with stuff that Deltadog here is throwing at me. You like to talk a lot about honor. Well, here you are "defending" a guy who's basically flat out lying about almost everything. :)
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There were no fights with any other planes...the guy is simply lying. :)
You are correct, we didn't fight again that day, the films I have are from fights that took place at another time when you were equally well pwned.
As for posting them right now, I will admit that I do find it hard to resist your teary eyed request. Particularly since I feed on your tears, but you are just going to have to stamp your little feet until they fall off, because the two films I posted make the point very well. I'll use the other films as and when I chose to and not just because your cheeks are all rosy red with crying.
Now suck it up... Learn to take what you obviously enjoy giving out.
Gunzo
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You are correct, we didn't fight again that day, the films I have are from fights that took place at another time when you were equally well pwned.
As for posting them right now, I will admit that I do find it hard to resist your teary eyed request. Particularly since I feed on your tears, but you are just going to have to stamp your little feet until they fall off, because the two films I posted make the point very well. I'll use the other films as and when I chose to and not just because your cheeks are all rosy red with crying.
Now suck it up... Learn to take what you obviously enjoy giving out.
Gunzo
Hehe weak play Gunzo. You got called out on a lie and couldnt back it up. Nice going.
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You are correct, we didn't fight again that day, the films I have are from fights that took place at another time when you were equally well pwned.
As for posting them right now, I will admit that I do find it hard to resist your teary eyed request. Particularly since I feed on your tears, but you are just going to have to stamp your little feet until they fall off, because the two films I posted make the point very well. I'll use the other films as and when I chose to and not just because your cheeks are all rosy red with crying.
Now suck it up... Learn to take what you obviously enjoy giving out.
Hehe, your behavior speaks for itself. :)
You said:
but we did other aircraft and I won them all, have film if required :)
I know for a fact that you haven't dueled me in any other occasion, at least not under the name of Deltadog. So you got caught with a lie here and now you are trying your best to get out of it. You said you have a film if required. Wouldn't it be easy to prove me wrong by just posting the film? The problem is that we haven't dueled before and therefore you don't have a film about a duel that simply didn't take place. :)
Again, since you are so much better than me I'm sure it will be easy as pie for you to shoot my Hurricane IIc down with a Brewster using 6k hard deck. Wouldn't it be great having more films of you shooting me down? :)
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Hehe weak play Gunzo. You got called out on a lie and couldnt back it up. Nice going.
You misread it again. Nothing I've said indicates I can't back it up, because I can and I will, just as soon as I'm good and ready. :rock
After all, don't you think he's done enough crying for one day? :rofl
Gunzo
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I play for the same reason as any other: its fun, and I like flying.
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I know for a fact that you haven't dueled me in any other occasion, at least not under the name of Deltadog.
And there you have it, I never liked that callsign much anyway. I said I have pwned you in other aircraft and I have. I didn't say it was as Deltadog :rofl
The simple fact is that in the arena you fly like a timid little teary eyed baby, you won't even fight with an advantage unless you have some backup as well, and that's exactly what happened on that day. And exactly what happened with the OP in the film he posted.
You went to the DA with me knowing that I intended to prove you couldn't win without your wingmen or your wussy tactics and that's exactly what those films proved. :rock
You were so desperate to win you even stooped to HOing, the films prove that too. :rock
Your aircraft was far superior, turning inside mine with ease, the second film proves that too, but you were still pwned. :rock
You started crying about it the moment the fights ended, and you are still crying about it now. Don't you know... I feed on your tears! :rofl
Now dry those eyes, before you spoil your key board as well.
Gunzo
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And there you have it, I never liked that callsign much anyway. I said I have pwned you in other aircraft and I have. I didn't say it was as Deltadog :rofl
The simple fact is that in the arena you fly like a timid little teary eyed baby, you won't even fight with an advantage unless you have some backup as well, and that's exactly what happened on that day. And exactly what happened with the OP in the film he posted.
You went to the DA with me knowing that I intended to prove you couldn't win without your wingmen or your wussy tactics and that's exactly what those films proved. :rock
You were so desperate to win you even stooped to HOing, the films prove that too. :rock
Your aircraft was far superior, turning inside mine with ease, the second film proves that too, but you were still pwned. :rock
You started crying about it the moment the fights ended, and you are still crying about it now. Don't you know... I feed on your tears! :rofl
Now dry those eyes, before you spoil your key board as well.
Gunzo
Anyone who takes the time to watch the film can see that you had no trouble to maintain superior E state AND turn inside the brewster during the whole fight.
You were basically turning flat the whole time and you were gaining angles on wmaker untill he ran out of E and had to break into a dive.
On second fight your oil pressure was down to zero and temps at max when you finally managed to outturn him in a flat turn (yes, flat turn i.e. no skill involved) to end the fight with the hizookas. Had to cut the film fast after that not to show your engine cutting off and you go down. :) 1 ping is all it takes to end a fight in hurri2c. You got blasted to smitherines before your lucky shot lol.
Youre full of shinola mister.
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None of this has anything to do with stuff that Deltadog here is throwing at me. You like to talk a lot about honor. Well, here you are "defending" a guy who's basically flat out lying about almost everything.
I was simply making 2 points:
1) The 239 is far superior to the hurricane (IMO)
2) That available altitude is more important then performance IMO. Once the fight is so low that either plane is trapped by its performance envelope options diminish for the inferior plane. So while you seem to feel that the hurricane is superior at a certain altitude I'd rather engage the hurricane higher then on the deck since I prefer to be able to work a fight up or down as required.
So I was stating an opinion based on both of your comments but I don't recall either "defending" him or attacking you with regard to the fights between you.
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None of this has anything to do with stuff that Deltadog here is throwing at me. You like to talk a lot about honor. Well, here you are "defending" a guy who's basically flat out lying about almost everything.
I was simply making 2 points:
1) The 239 is far superior to the hurricane (IMO)
2) That available altitude is more important then performance IMO. Once the fight is so low that either plane is trapped by its performance envelope options diminish for the inferior plane. So while you seem to feel that the hurricane is superior at a certain altitude I'd rather engage the hurricane higher then on the deck since I prefer to be able to work a fight up or down as required.
So I was stating an opinion based on both of your comments but I don't recall either "defending" him or attacking you with regard to the fights between you.
1) Not at high altitude
2) The fight happened at DA with ground floor at 6k. Is that really so hard to grasp? A blind man can see the hurricane outclimbing and turning the brewster in the spiral climb after several flat turns.
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On second fight your oil pressure was down to zero and temps at max when you finally managed to outturn him in a flat turn (yes, flat turn i.e. no skill involved).
So you are saying that pwning your buddy takes no skill... Ohh ok :rofl
You left out the part about him doing the very lame energy climb to the moon dance, then HOing on the way down in desperation... and that was at the start of the fight :rofl
On second fight your oil pressure was down to zero and temps at max when you finally managed to outturn him
Yeah, he did all that HOing, turned inside me with ease and had several shots, and I still turned it into a sweet victory :rock
But guess what, I set it up that way because I knew he was going to cry about it, I didn't want the win as much as I wanted the tears... I feed on his tears :rofl
Gunzo
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What part of the 239 should beat the hurricane like a drum at any altitude did you not understand. At 10k starting alt I'll fight anything in an SDB 1 on 1 with no issue at all and not hide behind the plane if I get spanked. So for me the 239 (which I consider along with the FM2) to be about the best dog fighting platforms in the game is all gravy vs all comers...all I want is not to be trapped against terra firma...I want 5-6k of air and i'm good...10k even better.
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What part of the 239 should beat the hurricane like a drum at any altitude did you not understand. At 10k starting alt I'll fight anything in an SDB 1 on 1 with no issue at all and not hide behind the plane if I get spanked. So for me the 239 (which I consider along with the FM2) to be about the best dog fighting platforms in the game is all gravy vs all comers...all I want is not to be trapped against terra firma...I want 5-6k of air and i'm good...10k even better.
If you read my posts with thought after the Deltadog's first post, you should easily notice that I'm not hiding behind a plane or anything else either as you seem to imply here.
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I'd rather fly right and "lose" then be a putz and "win".
Yep, they just don't get it. Look at the facts...
1) He ran away from an SBD.
2) He decided to fight once he had 3 other Brewsters to back him up.
3) He then acted like a "putz" about it by claiming he set you up to cry.
4) He tried the same lame girlyboy tactics with me.
5) He got spanked in the DA for his trouble.
6) He's been crying like a baby ever since.
7) I'm going to pwn him a lot more in Virrat.
I think that just about sums it up.
Gunzo
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!!!YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!!
(http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/topstory/sports/edwards_herman0108.jpg)
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1) Not at high altitude
2) The fight happened at DA with ground floor at 6k. Is that really so hard to grasp? A blind man can see the hurricane outclimbing and turning the brewster in the spiral climb after several flat turns.
He accepted the duel under the circumstances that took place and he lost.... little else matters.
Frankly, I don't see the big deal. Some guys you beat, some guys you don't.
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If you read my posts with thought after the Deltadog's first post, you should easily notice that I'm not hiding behind a plane or anything else either as you seem to imply here.
I didn't imply anything, I just made the statement that the 239 is superior to the hurricane. Then again I think that the A-20 is a fighter so you have to consider the source :airplane:
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Frankly, I don't see the big deal. Some guys you beat, some guys you don't.
Not a big deal at all, there's a rider out there for the wildest horse or something like that. :)
But you aren't obviously following the thread too closely and/or really realizing what's going on here.
He accepted the duel under the circumstances that took place and he lost.... little else matters.
Also, just wanted to add that it really wasn't a duel in the true sense of the word in anyway. Read below.
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I play because it is the only time you can hang out with a bunch of guys and wear tights without being looked at sideways :lol :lol :lol :lol
Don't lie...you all do it
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Happened to find a couple screenshots. :D
The truth is usually a good tool to deal with flat out lies. :)
Here's quote from Deltadog's first post on this thread:
very similar thing happened to me against the same guy. He had the advantage in his Brewster, but wouldn't fight 1v1 and only engaged once he had friendly backup. After getting killed by his buddy in my Hurri MkIIc I extended a cordial invitation to the DA, which he graciously accepted, providing I stick with the Hurri, and he with the Brewster.
Based on the dates from the screenshots I found a film that most probably has the stuff recorded what happened before Deltadog asked me to the DA. I do know that I shot him down at least once from the top most screenshot but my recollection is that I got him twice, I could be wrong as I can't get the film to play. It crashes my filmviewer among a few other films. I'm thinking it has something to do with the terrains being updated with the strat update.
My reply:
Just wow, that definately was below the belt!
You said yourself we were just testing planes, and the moment I said lets change planes you were suddenly in a hurry and logged out. No problem just found it funny. You said yourself lets go to DA and test planes....the way you act now is a rather big contrast to that situation. I won't go into the name calling but that is just low. The minute I said lets change planes you were in a hurry to leave. :) You would have losed just the same way in a Brewster against a Hurricane IIc as I did as long as 6000ft hard deck is used. Just like I told you.
The next quote from Deltadog:
You went to the DA with me knowing that I intended to prove you couldn't win without your wingmen or your wussy tactics and that's exactly what those films proved. :rock
1st screenshot:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Deltadog1.jpg)
Next quote from Deltadog answering my question why he was in such a hurry to leave when I wanted to change planes:
Losers always want to keep going in the hope they will eventually win one, pwnage gets boring after a while.
We had exactly two fights which Deltadog posted films from. He asks me to the DA and the moment I want to switch planes over he's suddenly in a hurry. After he left I typed .f deltadog and he was back in the MidWar-arena. :)
2nd screenshot:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Deltadog2.jpg)
3rd screenshot:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Deltadog3.jpg)
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I can't believe this purse fight is still going. :rofl
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(http://www.cindycraig.net/images/Pink%20Purse%20Fight.jpg)
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:salute Snaphook, enjoyed our engagements in MW Sunday night.
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I play because golf isn't frustrating enough.
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Heh what I see in this thread is homeboys going around in a ring with donuts out 'tapping eachothers in hiney' even though they have zero contribution to the topic of discussion i.e. snaphooks whine.
But that's fine business as usual. :huh
If anything it shows wmaker has stepped on some nerves, too many people crying and trying to prove something off-topic. By having to prove how 'awesome' pile-its you are you in essence show your lack of confidence to yourselves. Maybe you define yourselves through AH and it makes you feel powerful by belittleing other players. Only problem is the game is supposed to stay fun not a pissing fest of egos.
All in all this chest thumping results only in one thing: Less customers for HTC in the long run. Keep up the good job!
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So if you don't want a "fair" fight fine. I can live with that, but don't give me your garbage on 200 or hide behind insulting me for feeling disappointed. At the end of the day I fly for fun and for a challenge and have no problems winning or losing (well not a big problem). I'd rather fly right and "lose" then be a putz and "win".
http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/losers%20on%20parade.ahf (http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/losers%20on%20parade.ahf)
So you willing to spend all these posts defending Wmaker, but you can admit that running from a 1 vs 1 only to return to PICK from the same target a minute later isn't lame? :rolleyes:
no one who sees an SBD near enemy territory would think he was a serious player looking for a 1v1. and it seemed like snaphook started the bickering on 200. Wmaker just didn't have the class to stop. there doesn't seem to be any basis for an argument here... just sounds like one man whining. if you're fine with an unfair fight, winning or losing then why say anything? BS, i say. i see a sore loser who wants to put down a guy who just wanted to land another easy kill.
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Wmaker just didn't have the class to stop.
Do you mean on 200 or here or both?
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yeah this thread needs to die. It's doing no one any good. :salute
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:salute Snaphook, enjoyed our engagements in MW Sunday night.
Fun fun fights and very nice zeke driving. Tried to comment to you a few times on 200. I just couldnt get out of the way during the 2nd one, no clue how it gave you a collision and not me as well. Was great E management on your part, especially the last one :salute
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Yes, this one is done.