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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: PonyTard on June 30, 2004, 04:41:41 PM
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So what "NEW" information has been discovered that changed the FM so much. My plane absolutely sucks now. So I am too believe that the modeling in AH 1 was that far off. P38 Tiffy Nik LA7 all feel better now....But not P51D. It,to me, feels 1/3 heavyer, Trim does nothing now. It took me a year to learn to feel comfortable in the pony. In AH1 I was only in trouble in Spit 9 or Yak 9u were ABOVE ME. Now anything above me I am toast. Everything I learned is worthless now I feel ripped off. I also notice that the Pony pilots like Steve are pissed as I am. Steve is a top 10 player. I think you butt sniffen turdfighters should STFU about a plane that you can't fly. If they had done to Spit LA7 or Nik, what they have done to the P51D YOU WOULD BE ALL BE BUTT HURT CRYING. The new icon system certainly favors slower aircraft. I want to stay in this community I been here 4 years and flying only the P51D "was" under 200 in fighter rank.
There are alot of things to do online, that are more fun then AH2 maybe its time to leave. If a nuff of us leave maybe they will make it "right" again. I hope so.
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Oh yea Im in like flint.:lol
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Where is Location: jhfgjhgf
close to ?
:)
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Sweet! another boycott thread, this time with Shades!
-Sik
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4 years - second post.....
hmm first one was a test....
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Look at that bait.Its just sitting there bobbing in the water.
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Tibetan Shangrila
:lol :lol :aok
Happy1 :D
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Bollocks, PonyTard. The AH1 flight model sucked - folks could do impossible stuff, and make impossible shots. You were never a Pony Ace - you simply learned to game the game. That's all. If you really feel bad, and want to go on living in the past, host AH1 on an H2H server. All the RL pilots I've seen here (and I am one of them) think the flight model is a big step forward.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Bollocks, PonyTard. The AH1 flight model sucked - folks could do impossible stuff, and make impossible shots. You were never a Pony Ace - you simply learned to game the game. That's all. If you really feel bad, and want to go on living in the past, host AH1 on an H2H server. All the RL pilots I've seen here (and I am one of them) think the flight model is a big step forward.
You were never a Pony Ace - you simply learned to game the game.
spoken like a true tardling
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
spoken like a true tardling
Oh yeah? And how much RL flight experience do YOU have, College Boy? :rolleyes:
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I’m looking at my father-in-law’s flight logs. On the page where he transitioned from AT-6s to P-39s, I don’t see any tearstains… wonder why?
eskimo
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Once again completly missing the point.
When we had AH1, everyone was playing with exactly the same planes as the other guy. You make it sound like the people who got use to the gunner and FM of AH1 and used them to their advantage were using something that everyone else didnt have.
In your case I would make an accpetion. Brains aren't always handed out in equal rations at birth. Being thats all you really need to understand this game.
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Originally posted by PonyTard
I think you butt sniffen turdfighters should STFU about a plane that you can't fly.
If this is not a troll i think you should take your own advice.
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btw...
In answer to your question... None... And I would be safe in betting you dont either... My Little British Super Hero ;)
Along with near 90% of every other player in this game.
YOu cant just come out and say people who understood the gunnery and FM of AH1 were gaming the game. (everyone playing the game plays on a level playing field with the exception of brains.)Thats foolish to say so. Let alone think that way... Sadly I know you do.
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
btw...
In answer to your question... None... And I would be safe in betting you dont either... My Little British Super Hero ;) If you even did, again, I would be safe if betting its next to nil.
Along with near 90% of every other player in this game.
YOu cant just come out and say people who understood the gunnery and FM of AH1 were gaming the game. (everyone playing the game plays on a level playing field with the exception of brains.)Thats foolish to say so. Let alone think that way... Sadly I know you do.
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Ponytard, what is your in-game name? The gunnery definitely favors slower planes as you must be closer and often have a longer gun solution to score a kill. This is really playing havoc w/ me as I made a nice career out of high speed slashing style snapshots and short gun solutions on roped turnfighters. So in this factor I agree that AHII negatively impacts pony pilots and aids turnfighters.
I'm not trying to gang up on you Pony but I have made no mention of the pony's flight modeling in the form of a complaint.
I'm still formulating an opinion to be honest. The other day I fought a very competent La7 pilot(he came in high) to a stalemate and was able to keep him from out turning me( he ended up augering after an extended turn fight). I'm still deciding about its' very slow speed handling.
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Originally posted by jordi
Where is Location: jhfgjhgf
close to ?
:)
near Great booogamooogaly
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Morpheus -
In answer to your question... None... And I would be safe in betting you dont either... My Little British Super Hero If you even did, again, I would be safe if betting its next to nil.
1000+ hours as PIC actually, in a period spanning 16 years conducted in the airspace of eight different countries (including 5 US states) and several island dependencies, exercised under British Gliding Association, UK/CAA and US/FAA licence and ratings privileges.
How's that to be going on with? :lol
Now get back to learning how to game the game in AH2!
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The troll bridge is definitely open.
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anyone got any sniper training?
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All the RL pilots I've seen here (and I am one of them) think the flight model is a big step forward.
have you flown a P38? i mean, if you have flown an aircraft, im sure they all handle the same, right? :confused: anyways...
folks could do impossible stuff, and make impossible shots.
did you ever play AW? there you could do some "impossible" stuff, of course thats why i thought it was fun. AH1 was alot more "realistic" than aw, and AH2 even more than AH1.
~S~
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Originally posted by killnu
have you flown a P38?
No. Have you?
But I have flown a 109...
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wow!
I stand corrected!
You really are the British Super Hero I always knew you to be!
Now get back to learning how to game the game in AH2!
No need to learn. Its the same game we had 3 months ago. The only differnce is people think it isn't. They see different trees, different plane skins ect and think.... OMG I can't play this!!! And when they attempt to get into a Fighter they climb to 20k to try and compensate for their lack of skills.
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
wow!
I stand corrected!
You really are the British Super Hero I always knew you to be!
Hehe, NP - No need to learn. Its the same game we had 3 months ago. The only differnce is people think it isn't. They see different trees, different plane skins ect and think.... OMG I can't play this!!! And when they attempt to get into a Fighter they climb to 20k to try and compensate for their lack of skills.
The gunnery and flight models are different, as they should be. Otherwise, I agree - in which case I refer you back to ponydweeb quitters - and they know who they are! :aok
It's getting late - no AH for me tonight. My time was taken up watching Portugal v Holland, and listening to Saint Saens' organ symphony.
Toodle-Pip!
(http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/7/7_11_5.gif)
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Nice troll, 24 responses if you include this one :p
As for the original post, the Pony is still a great ride, set your guns to 250 yards, stick your prop in the bogeys tail, and then open fire.
Oh Wow, did I take the bait 2? :rofl :rofl
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whats a PIC beetle?
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Pilot In Command. PIC time.
Usually the guy sitting in the left seat.
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No need to learn. Its the same game we had 3 months ago. The only difference is people think it isn't.
I agree the handling characteristics have changed a bit, but they are closer to real life flying. I'm not sure about the actual plane characteristics, but the inertia definitely seems to be modeled better. These were big heavy planes and when you lost the edge they bit you in the prettythang. That's just the way it is. If your looking for easy mode go fly Crimson Skies or something.
Although I love the whines, I knew they would be many. People just hate change. "I'm not as great as I was, Whaaaaaaaa" lol. Guess what, if you were you would adjust and keep kicking prettythang:D
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Originally posted by mars01
"I'm not as great as I was, Whaaaaaaaa" lol. Guess what, if you were you would adjust and keep kicking prettythang:D
And kickin and kickin :)
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I'd like to try to adjust. Unfortunately I get booted so much that I have a hard time getting enough time in to learn.
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LOL Drea.
Yeah that's a decent whine Steve! Sorry to hear your having CTD problems. I have been getting them 2 three times a night and that sucks I could just imagine how pissed I'd be if it were worse.
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There is a site out there that has old WWII training videos on it that you can buy or watch previews which last about 25 minutes. It covers the Pony in it and from what I saw on it the Pony could depart abruptly but it was almost always recoverable depending on your alt whether it was power on or off stalls.
Here's the site.Zenos Warbirds (http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/)
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Hi Scramble . Give em hell :D hehehehehe
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I wonder how many RL pilots got kills at 800-1200 yds.
IMO gunnery in ALL sims is easier then RL. You had to be a lot closer then most think to make your weapons count.
And I have to tag along on this post a little. 50-60% of the players have no idea what SA or ACM is. And it's exactly has he put it. It's gamers gaming a game. I saw very little actual ACM when I flew AH.
The new model, as I understand it, because I read, has more surfaces to work off of, so yes it would be more precise as long as programmed accurately.
MANY, MANY players didn't fly it as a sim but flew it as a game and took advantages of every little flaw that would help their point mongering ars. In other words, don pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.
That's a simple basic fact of life, like it or not.
AH1 was FULL of game breakers, and the ones that say "NO NO NO" are prolly the ones who took the most advantage of flaws = game breaking.
One of THE biggest reasons I quit AH1, I love the game, but most fo the actual play made me ill.
While I don't agree 100% with the post it is in the ball park of accurate statements.
All you have to really do is look at the personas replying, the rest is common sense.
I hope AH2 weeds out most of the game breakers, because now it's more of a flight sim and they just might not be able to handle it. ;-)
The only equal advantage in a game is not ONLY the brain, it's what the brain KNOWS and how to take advantage of what it knows, like how a flaw can help your monger points.
The only difference is the brain is nonsense, it's also how deviate/dishonest the brain is as well.
Anim
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
anyone got any sniper training?
I do, but what's that red dot on your nose?
Anim
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Well i'll be damned, looks like the same new-aged furballers have transferred into AH2..
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Anim, I replied to this thread, just exactly how was I a gamebreaker?
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Originally posted by Steve
Ponytard, what is your in-game name? The gunnery definitely favors slower planes as you must be closer and often have a longer gun solution to score a kill. This is really playing havoc w/ me as I made a nice career out of high speed slashing style snapshots and short gun solutions on roped turnfighters. So in this factor I agree that AHII negatively impacts pony pilots and aids turnfighters.
I'm not trying to gang up on you Pony but I have made no mention of the pony's flight modeling in the form of a complaint.
I'm still formulating an opinion to be honest. The other day I fought a very competent La7 pilot(he came in high) to a stalemate and was able to keep him from out turning me( he ended up augering after an extended turn fight). I'm still deciding about its' very slow speed handling.
Steve, IMO the flight model changes favor the P51. I don't have a problem with gunnery, either, once I got used to it. It seems to me the pony has been 'freed up' a tad.
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Ya know alot of people came here from a RR or relaxed realism enviornment.WW2ol ewwwww The old favorite Air Warrior,Fighter ace where men were men in comfortable shoes,and Crimson Skies.The epitomy of ease.Now I could spout a plethora of reasons....wait a minute...did I just sucessfully use Plethora in a sent? But it all boils down to one thing.Some people are not only more resigned to a RR enviornment,but they like it more than something that AH2 has evolved into.A more realistic enviornment.Now I make no bonz,Im playing H2H for the time,but I flew beta and I like what its become.More pilot awareness involved.More Immersion.Some people arent going to like that.So be it.To each there own.Diffrent strokes for diffrent folks.Let em go.But let them go in PEACE for gods sake/Its not there thing.
Just my 2 cuervos
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I'm not sure I quite understand what everyone is arguing about.
AH2 is a definite improvement - at least, if our perception of reality, as lacking in experience as we all are, is to be based on what data we can collect from testimonies, anecdotes and logical analysis of numbers.
As far as the original, thread-starting post goes, I'm no pony expert but I have been constantly amazed by what they can do - as now the P-51s are more than a challenge to anything which flies against it. In those times I fly the P-51 I am sincerely in respect and understanding, that why it was considered such a supreme fighter in many ways - a feeling I did not have in AH1.
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The gunnery does not favor slower planes at all, and to think so is a huge mistake. I am not suggesting I'm an authority when it comes to this issue, but I have observed very carefully which factors can effect gunnery in what ways, and where the key differences between real life and game environment lies at.
Getting directly to the point, AH2 is now a true-blue, 1945 game, because with the changes in various issues with gunnery, the slower and more maneuverable planes rarely ever have a chance of coming within 600 yards of their target. Accelerating away safely from a slower plane from 400 yards, in some cases even close as 200, is not a rare thing in AH2 now - as compared to AH1 where one would be so harassed by its long-range gunnery out to at least 600 yards.
It is true, that the shortened 'effective range' of gunnery effects some planes in more profound ways, and certainly a big minus to those who made it their style to take snapshots to quickly down planes. But overall it can be said that how it is now, is in so many ways much closer to what it may have been in real-life.
* The convergence issues, differences between wing armament and center-line armament, different effects between HMG armed planes and cannon armed planes are much more pronounced in AH2.
* The killing ranges are down to much more reasonable levels.
* Why "speed" was such an important factor, is also very perceivable than compared to AH1 - where as long as there was alt advantage, any slow plane can shoot a lower one by dropping down and getting inside 600~700 yards, and sniping them out of the sky.
(Also, it more or less closes the long debate concerning the " pilot experience factor" being a key issue in gunnery, when it comes to comparing real life and game enviroment - but this, is another story).
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In very many ways the claimed 'neutering' of P-51 is simply false. Anything the P-51 has suffered in AH2, other planes have suffered at least more than two-fold. The impact of gunnery was much less felt to some planes, typically Luftwaffe type fighters, but this is because they were already limited to more or less historic ranges in AH1.
If such a change, ultimately beneficial in creating a more realistic, authentic, and heart-pounding game play experience, is so terrible in the fact that it is the only reason someone should quit playing the game, then I'm very sorry to say that perhaps that person should not be playing a game of the simulation genre in the first place.
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I'm no pony expert but I have been constantly amazed by what they can do - as now the P-51s are more than a challenge to anything which flies against it. In those times I fly the P-51 I am sincerely in respect and understanding, that why it was considered such a supreme fighter in many ways - a feeling I did not have in AH1.
Yep, the Pony is greatness now.
But I have flown a 109...
I rode in a 109.
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Originally posted by Cobra412
There is a site out there that has old WWII training videos on it that you can buy or watch previews which last about 25 minutes. It covers the Pony in it and from what I saw on it the Pony could depart abruptly but it was almost always recoverable depending on your alt whether it was power on or off stalls.
Here's the site.Zenos Warbirds (http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/)
http://WWW.Pigsonthewing.org used to have a link to some of those training films on our site, the one on the F4U1D was really cool!
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Originally posted by PonyTard
the P51D YOU WOULD BE ALL BE BUTT HURT CRYING.
okokok I need another translation what exactly does this mean?
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the P51D YOU WOULD BE ALL BE BUTT HURT CRYING.
Its written in plain English Schaden :rolleyes:
Yeah, I have no idea.
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For the second time tonight I am agreeing with Kweassa (say it aint so!)
Definately becoming a more late war orientated sim. Even more Ponies around now than there ever was in AH1 (don't think this is just the flight modelling, its also due to the 2 x fuel burn. But thats another bone of contention.).
I'm amazed by their dubious flight characteristics -
1) Dropped on one in a Tiffy from 5k above him (he's on deck), and he out runs me!
2) Seen one turn inside a Hurri.
3) Seen another lift from a field, chase a Tiff that just strafed runway - and catch it!
So if anything, it can do things now that I don't think it could ever do. Seems like it has been given a very dubious over, over, uberhaul. Its become the equivalent of the Niki in AH1, that could do some weird crap also.
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INteresting to say the least...
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The gunnery does not favor slower planes at all, and to think so is a huge mistake.
Whatever. I disagree. Period.
So far the 51 seems to have improved flight modeling relative to the rest of the planes in AHII. It may take some getting used to but I think it is more competitve now in the turning department. Also, it seems more closely matched to the la7 speed wise(more on that as I get more experience)
) Dropped on one in a Tiffy from 5k above him (he's on deck), and he out runs me!
No offense Kev but you either blew the angle or underestimated the 51 speed.
2) Seen one turn inside a Hurri.
I've doen that .. especially fast. Or if I'm quick but not too fast, I can yoyo and make it appear I'm turning inside. :)
3) Seen another lift from a field, chase a Tiff that just strafed runway - and catch it!
Awww cmon.
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Originally posted by deSelys
Somebody give Dipstick a big slam on the head, he's stuck...
LOL I did delete to other 'clone' posts. The damn button was what was stuck. :p
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Whatever. I disagree. Period.
No intention of forcing you to believe me, but I really must comment that what you're seeing is more or less a misunderstanding.
P-51s are more numerous than ever, and G-10s and D-9s saw a large rise in usage. Great many P-38s are flying around, and the F4U now sees more usage than the F6F than compared to AH1. Also, the La-7 population seemed to waver, but is back on the rise.
In this environment, the "slower planes" basically don't stand a chance at all - not talking about individual skill, but as a whole. Planes with service introduction dates before 1944 rarely ever catch anything now.
The only planes that are caught by slower planes, are either the same slow planes, or people who made irrecoverable mistakes even by AH2 standards, and are about to die. Naturally, that tends to make people feel that being in a more maneuverable plane is better for gunnery.
But that's like saying a hunter in a wheel chair shooting at a fish in a barrel right in front of him, is more advantaged, than a full-legged hunter running around the woods for deers.
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Originally posted by FT_Animal
I wonder how many RL pilots got kills at 800-1200 yds.
IMO gunnery in ALL sims is easier then RL. You had to be a lot closer then most think to make your weapons count.
And I have to tag along on this post a little. 50-60% of the players have no idea what SA or ACM is. And it's exactly has he put it. It's gamers gaming a game. I saw very little actual ACM when I flew AH.
The new model, as I understand it, because I read, has more surfaces to work off of, so yes it would be more precise as long as programmed accurately.
MANY, MANY players didn't fly it as a sim but flew it as a game and took advantages of every little flaw that would help their point mongering ars. In other words, don pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.
That's a simple basic fact of life, like it or not.
AH1 was FULL of game breakers, and the ones that say "NO NO NO" are prolly the ones who took the most advantage of flaws = game breaking.
One of THE biggest reasons I quit AH1, I love the game, but most fo the actual play made me ill.
While I don't agree 100% with the post it is in the ball park of accurate statements.
All you have to really do is look at the personas replying, the rest is common sense.
I hope AH2 weeds out most of the game breakers, because now it's more of a flight sim and they just might not be able to handle it. ;-)
The only equal advantage in a game is not ONLY the brain, it's what the brain KNOWS and how to take advantage of what it knows, like how a flaw can help your monger points.
The only difference is the brain is nonsense, it's also how deviate/dishonest the brain is as well.
Anim
Excellent, excellent post - and I agree 500%. :aok
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Well, who are these gamers? Who are these game breakers?
what did they do to break the game?
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Dweebs that would turn off and on their engines in a fight are some...
ack-ack
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Oh ya... that was pretty cheesey.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Dweebs that would turn off and on their engines in a fight are some...
ack-ack
If i am sneaking up on someone and i get within 1K and i have good E, I often would turn my engine off for the last 800yrds so they wouldnt be alerted to my presence.
is this what you mean ack-ack?
i think its a good tactic.
batfink
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Bwahahahahaha!
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actually it's a stupid tactic because you'll lose E due to drag and not have full power when you need it but no, it's not what I'm talking about.
The ones that will turn off and on their engines to create drag and slow themselves down so they can turn tighter are the ones I'm talking about. Just ask Hblair :c)
ack-ack
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Your plane is like a tidal wave, spinning over my N1K
Drownin’ me in your gaminess, better left unsaid
I'm the right kind of simmer, to release your gameplay fantasy
The invincible spinner, and you know that you were born to be
You’re a gamebreaker
Score maker, piss taker
Don’t you mess around with me!
You’re a gamebreaker
Dweeb faker, piss taker
Don’t you mess around - no no no!
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
actually it's a stupid tactic because you'll lose E due to drag and not have full power when you need it but no, it's not what I'm talking about.
The ones that will turn off and on their engines to create drag and slow themselves down so they can turn tighter are the ones I'm talking about. Just ask Hblair :c)
ack-ack
but, if its a one on one and they dont spot/hear you, you dont need to keep your E. unless your gunnery really sucks :D
I dont know about AH2 as i have not played it yet, but, in AH1, the ammount of times i narrowly avoided death because i heard their engine when they got close to me was not funny.
equally, the amount of times i got to D100 before they spotted me with the 'glide the last 1,000yrds' tactic makes me think its not totaly negative to go stealth for 5 seconds.
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Never liked Pat Benetar. (sp?)
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I've been flying P51 pretty much in AH1 with some success, and I think AH2 one is way better: same high speed maneuvrability but much better dogfighting capabilities: it can outmaneuvre Yaks easilly, which was very hard to do before (given equal skilled pilots).
And, of course, excellent .50 lasers.
As for shooting distance, no change for me: I've been always shooting from 200 yds-, even when B&Zing at 500 MPH.
The new rudder response also allows more extreme maneuvres (barrell rolls, rolling scissors and hammerheads especially), if you're skilled enough to control the plane on the edge.
Moreover, the new icon system greatly helps in B&Z, since the attacked plane (spit for instance) will not dare to follow you up in the zoom not knowing the exact close up rate. And anyway he won't be able to wreck you by emptying his ammo load while floating 1k yds under you, as too often happened to me in AH1. At least this is what i'm experiencing.
Outrunning the enemy is also much easier because when you get over 400 yds distance some smooth movements are enough not to get hit, even from hizookas, making the run much safer and effective, when necessary.
As for B&Z VS T&B tactics (I play both, depending on my mood and fighting environment), I can't see much difference between AH1 and AH2. It actually seems to me that more technical pilots are advantaged compared to AH1, whatever the tactic employed: ACMs are much more critical now.
I really can't understand pony drivers complaining.
Best regards
Promet
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Originally posted by 13Promet
And anyway he won't be able to wreck you by emptying his ammo load while floating 1k yds under you, as too often happened to me in AH1.
Yep - that happened to me way too often. In a 109F v Spit, the 109 should be able to spiral climb to get above the Spit. Indeed, in AH2 if the Spit (or N1k, whatever) tries to follow, he stalls out and flip-flops as he tries to recover. But in AH1, he'd pull up into helicopter mode and spray upwards from 1K, just as 13Promet says. That particular scenario was the most exploited, biggest BS feature that AH1 had to offer. I'm soooo glad it's gone.
BTW 13Promet - I unset the read-only attribute on ALL my settings files. Now combat trim STAYS off unless I turn it on, and my loadouts stay as they were the last time I used that plane, tracers stay turned off etc. Thanks for your help! :aok
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Originally posted by beet1e
BTW 13Promet - I unset the read-only attribute on ALL my settings files. Now combat trim STAYS off unless I turn it on, and my loadouts stay as they were the last time I used that plane, tracers stay turned off etc. Thanks for your help! :aok
Glad it worked ;)
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
actually it's a stupid tactic because you'll lose E due to drag and not have full power when you need it but no, it's not what I'm talking about.
The ones that will turn off and on their engines to create drag and slow themselves down so they can turn tighter are the ones I'm talking about. Just ask Hblair :c)
ack-ack
I think Ack-Ack is just jealous here, since his P-38 could never do it ;) It was proven as having no significance in a fight anyway..
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another thing to think about when your talking about "slower" planes catching faster ones - if the faster one is running on reduced throtlle/rpm for fuel conservation instead of full press/rpm, it can be caught.
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since the attacked plane (spit for instance) will not dare to follow you up in the zoom
I WANT them following me up in a zoom.
And anyway he won't be able to wreck you by emptying his ammo load while floating 1k yds under you, as too often happened to me in AH1.
I got hit from 800 once while roping... once. Sounds like you need to learn the ancient and nearly lost art of the spiral climb.
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Steve...
So far the 51 seems to have improved flight modeling relative to the rest of the planes in AHII. It may take some getting used to but I think it is more competitve now in the turning department. Also, it seems more closely matched to the la7 speed wise(more on that as I get more experience)
Agreed! in fact as stated it appears to have an uberhaul in respect to all other aircraft.
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) Dropped on one in a Tiffy from 5k above him (he's on deck), and he out runs me!
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No offense Kev but you either blew the angle or underestimated the 51 speed.
Possible, but also had one outrun a Tempest!!!!
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2) Seen one turn inside a Hurri.
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I've doen that .. especially fast. Or if I'm quick but not too fast, I can yoyo and make it appear I'm turning inside.
No he actually turned inside a Hurri 2c
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3) Seen another lift from a field, chase a Tiff that just strafed runway - and catch it!
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Awww cmon.
Happened to me also but was a 109 in my case.
Whole point was that it seems to be doing things I doubt it could ever do.
Of course this could all be due to ongoing fixes for AH2, which IMO is still only BETA quality.
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I flew the Pony D in AH1 because it was a very competitive ride.
I fly the Pony D in AH2 because I think it is a very competitive ride.
It is extremely fast on the deck, and really kicks in the afterburners at about 12K or so.
I think the 6 - 50 cal gun set is very deadly at ranges of under 250 yards which now seems to be normal effective guns range in AH2. Also, the faster trajectory of the 50 cal Browning makes it easier to lead than cannons or 50 cals of other varieties. The 6 - 50 cal was a deadly package in the real war, that should satisfy the realism buffs. However, the 6 - 50 cal set will not get you a lot of one pass kills which may keep it's popularity down (Yeh!)
The Pony turns well, especially with maneuvering flaps set, that's why they had maneuvering flaps. The real Pony could turn, deal with it
The Pony has long legs, which has become important with the fuel burn multiplier set at 2.
If the Pony is a uber ride in AH2, maybe that is because it WAS a uber ride in the real war. It seems to come up with the crown of being the best fighter of WW2 from a lot of "experts." It may get the crown of being the best in AH2, kinda appropriate. BTW, I would say the best plane of AH1 was the LA-7. But I still flew Ponies most of the time.
I've noticed that there are a lot more 109s than in AH2. The 109 was a great plane in WW2 and it therefore should be a great plane in AH. I wonder why is no one whining about 109s?
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another thing to think about when your talking about "slower" planes catching faster ones - if the faster one is running on reduced throtlle/rpm for fuel conservation instead of full press/rpm, it can be caught.
I don't think I would agree with that. If ther person is smart they are bringing more fuel, which means maybe they are heavier. If they are running they are firewalled.
Personally I bring more fuel, so I am always firewalled to burn the excess faster.
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Originally posted by Steve
The gunnery definitely favors slower planes as you must be closer
Just the contrary. Slow planes now cant kill you easily at 900 yards, and they cant aproach to you. With the exceptional exception of any diving Spit ...
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Blah! you have to get closer, have a longer gun solution to get kills. Ergo you may have to slow down your speed plane to get an adequate gun solution, bringing you closer to the realm in which the turnfiters dominate.
Just the contrary. Slow planes now cant kill you easily at 900 yards, and they cant aproach to you. With the exceptional exception of any diving Spit ...
Every time one of you guys wanna argue my point you talk about running away. Run all you want, I'm talking about fighting.
If you were getting killed with ANY regularity over 600 yards in AHI, you never really learned the finer points of pony flying.
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Originally posted by Steve
Blah! you have to get closer, have a longer gun solution to get kills. Ergo you may have to slow down your speed plane to get an adequate gun solution, bringing you closer to the realm in which the turnfiters dominate.
Every time one of you guys wanna argue my point you talk about running away. Run all you want, I'm talking about fighting.
If you were getting killed with ANY regularity over 600 yards in AHI, you never really learned the finer points of pony flying.
this is the best thing i have seen you post steve!
the thing i miss the least about Aces High (now that i cant play) is the constant runnning pony/la7/190 gang.
infact, when a pony actually turned and fought me i usualy got killed as i was so shocked at him not running:D
sometimes i think AH is nothing more than a chatroom mixed with a pleasure cruise flight sim.
then, every now and then, i run into a good fight.....
batfink
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Originally posted by Steve
If you were getting killed with ANY regularity over 600 yards in AHI, you never really learned the finer points of pony flying.
Are you talking about pony flying as in the real world in WW2, or are you talking about AH1 pony gaming-the-game? I met a RL pony pilot at a WB con, and the pony was never flown in a way which would extol its virtues as flown in AH. By which I mean that most of what you have seen in AH is no more than gamers' gamey crap.
BTW how are those crying towels doing in the ladies washroom? :lol;)
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beet, ya missed my point, but thats fine. a 109? thats kewl, which one? nvr flown myself, and dont care to, so i hope they dont go overboard with realism in this "game". i like some realism, but i wouldnt want to actually fly a 38, seems like to much work to me from what ive read. and to much work is not fun.
~S~
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Tested out a few things after getting caught by pony in a tiff. At 6k the pony is 5-10 mph too fast. Wonder what other built in inaccuraccies there are. Co-incidently the Tiffy seems around 14mph at least too slow at 6k. Have yet to test that a Tiff should do 405mph @ 18k. But guessing it won't.
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BTW how are those crying towels doing in the ladies washroom?
keep your word.
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or are you talking about AH1 pony gaming-the-game?
Beet1e shut your narrow minded pie hole. The pony was no more gamey than any other plane in AHI. BTW I'm not surprised, AHI is a game.
or are you talking about AH1 pony
If you were getting killed with ANY regularity over 600 yards in AHI,
What part of "in AHI" did you not understand?
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beet1e, steve:
will you ever stop flirting and actualy get it on with each other?
:rofl
J/K
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Originally posted by killnu
beet, ya missed my point, but thats fine. a 109? thats kewl, which one? nvr flown myself, and dont care to, so i hope they dont go overboard with realism in this "game". i like some realism, but i wouldnt want to actually fly a 38, seems like to much work to me from what ive read. and to much work is not fun.
~S~
The 109A (http://webusers.warwick.net/~u1007204/glider.html) - muhahaha - I've used that gag on this board before. I was going to tell you eventually. ;) The other types I flew were Cessna - 150/152/172/182RG; Piper: Cherokee 140/180, Warrior 151/161, Arrow 3/4; Socata: TB10, TB20, Rallye. Avions Pierre Robin: DR400 (my favourite - damned nice plane); . Also flew various gliders. The TB10 was the one I owned for 8 years - French, with an American (Lycoming O-360) engine - lol - what a marriage. The gliders, the 109A, the DR400 and the Rallye were the ones I liked best. They had a joystick instead of that crappy American steering wheel arrangement. I think they call it a yoke.
Steve! "Beet1e shut your narrow minded pie hole. The pony was no more gamey than any other plane in AHI. BTW I'm not surprised, AHI is a game." I guess today's another "wring beet1e's neck day". :lol No mate, AHI was a game. Do try to move with the times! Are you back in AH2 yet? Oh, just checked - you ARE back! So what kept you? you're 33/8 in your P51D which isn't bad - almost the exact same proportion as my 17/4 in P47D25 in T53. Hehe, I bet it sticks in the craw to be bumping along with mere mortals like me! :lol But as promised, I will amend my sig. So what turned you around from deleted account to cherry picking with the gods? Maybe you just needed a fresh diaper? (That word cracks me up - in Britain it's a nappy)
Woohoo! Steve's back!
(http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/8/8_14_7.gif)
Mechanic - just noticed your avatar - still struggling? Bring it round to my house if you're still struggling.
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My flight time is limited to a total of 13 hours in a Cessna 150 in the early 70s'
(Got married...there went the Pilots License) and lessons.
Flying the C150 I surely can't comment from experience on the FM of a Warbird from WWII.
The difference in FM between AHI and AHII imho on the great many (13) hours I've had of stick time LOL appears to me to be more accurate in AHII. The blackouts definately more realistic.
Gunnery is also probably more realistic...was very easy for me to hit my target....early and often in AHI. Methinks that from the total number of sorties and kills in real life combat would more match AH2 then AHI.
Again....only mho.
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Approx. Statistic: 1 out of every 3 aircraft are either La7's or N1k's
And THAT is something that has to change.
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The P51-D FM seems better than ever to me - almost as good as the P51-B now, but with better viz and 6 guns, and an olive green paint job if you want it. I love it. That is to say, my 'butt' is not hurtin' at all.
And how many of you remember some time ago somebody in here quoted a P51 veteran who told them that nobody fired outside of 250 yards in real life because you couldn't hit a thing due to bullet dispersion?
The big difference I notice in AHII is that the P51's asset of speed and of good handling at speed, is amplified by the shorter firing ranges. Harder for slower more manoeuverable planes to hit a P51 as it takes advantage of those assets to separate and set up for a return.
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Originally posted by Mak333
Approx. Statistic: 1 out of every 3 aircraft are either La7's or N1k's
And THAT is something that has to change.
...and the other two thirds are P51s and Spits.
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Originally posted by Mak333
And THAT is something that has to change.
God, I hope not. Few planes are more satisfying or fun to kill.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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51's take more skill to fly. Im ok with seeing a few la7's for defensive purposes but not groups of em hovering over bases...
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I guess today's another "wring beet1e's neck day". No mate,
Nah Beet, luv ya man. I have to go to work. more later.
toodle Pip
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
God, I hope not. Few planes are more satisfying or fun to kill.
-- Todd/Leviathn
.....what Levi said. :D
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Originally posted by WldThing
I think Ack-Ack is just jealous here, since his P-38 could never do it ;) It was proven as having no significance in a fight anyway..
Don't need to turn off the engines when you've got differential throttle control :c)
ack-ack
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That's funny, Pony, because I can fly the P-51's better than I could in AH1.
My dad flew airplanes for around 15 years (civilian planes, but still), and he can't believe how good the flight models are. Oh, and he also flew a C-47 a few times. He tried Il2 Sturmovik (the game, not the plane in AH2), and he though it was horrible.
Here's a thought --- Learn how to fly the P-51 again. The flight models are superb this time around, and you're not gonna see a P-51 out-turning a Yak in a dogfight :D.
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That's funny, Pony, because I can fly the P-51's better than I could in AH1.
My dad flew airplanes for around 15 years (civilian planes, but still), and he can't believe how good the flight models are. Oh, and he also flew a C-47 a few times. He tried Il2 Sturmovik (the game, not the plane in AH2), and he thought it was horrible.
Here's a thought --- Learn how to fly the P-51 again. The flight models are superb this time around, and you're not gonna see a P-51 out-turning a Yak in a dogfight :D.
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Planes are better but the game is still the same old same old. Sometimes I think we might be seeing the last days of our old (for some of us) past time.
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Beet, I may have only come back temporarily. My free period was only a couple of days it seems and I am not willing to pay for a game that literally boots me EVERY flight. I have upgraded every piece of my system, including the monitor, except the sound card. I've spent well over $1000.00 US and the game doesn't work.
There has been no mention as far as I know about sound card problems but I think HTC needs to take a look at this.
I'm done spending. Until HTC provides a decent product, I'm voting w/ my 14.95 and going elsewhere.
Toodles.
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Yea, I'm kinda thinking, objectively, ah2 vs 2.0 was premature.
If they needed more beta testers, just add scoring and keep track of the beta camps - people would have beta'd.
The numbers I see shows a drop off of 40-50% during prime time.
I'm hoping this was just a bad patch.
You know people dismiss offhand putting back AH1 until AH2 gets stable. I really think they should consider it.
From what I see, AH2 is not stable.
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Steve,
There are some issues with some old sound cards. What mobo do you have? My mobo (A7N8X-DLX) has onboard sound which is excellent for AH. I used to play AH on a WMe system when I had my old MS sidewinder stick. When I got the Saitek USB, I decided to put AH on my W2000 system (which is on the same PC - I have dual boot). But I couldn't find drivers for the soundcard. So out it went! The Asus sound is much better anyway. With the sound card I used to get "howl around" if I had the volume up too high. I don't have that problem with the on board sound.
I had 2 CTDs when it was a recognised problem. I haven't had a CTD for weeks. Check that you're not overclocking your CPU beyond its limits - that was causing me to CTD soon after I built my PC. Do you know how to check the clock frequency and multiplier settings in the BIOS?
Email me your phone # and I'll call you. -only costs me 1p/minute to call the US. I owe you that much after all the grief I've put your way. :lol;)
orangebeet1e@yahoo.co.uk
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Originally posted by Mak333
Approx. Statistic: 1 out of every 3 aircraft are either La7's or N1k's
And THAT is something that has to change.
Nope, will never change as long as AH is a numbers game it won't. period!
Have a nice day;)