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Title: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: oboe on June 09, 2023, 02:41:37 PM
Just finished my 6th map, though I don't intend to do them all.  Here is Kenai77's excellent Black Sea terrain.  I really enjoy seeing this one come up in the rotation; I think its one of the best we have.  Last time it was up, I think it lasted for 6 days?  I really like real-world based terrains, and this one seems to have a good balance of land and water features.

Click image for the massive version (2088 x 2500)
(https://i.imgur.com/ArqLB3l.jpg)
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: Dadtallica on June 09, 2023, 02:47:09 PM
Agree this is a very good MA map.

Love that map you made of it!
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: GasTeddy on June 09, 2023, 03:09:37 PM
Hey, great, I can see my backyard!     :x
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: mERv on June 09, 2023, 03:34:26 PM
Top 3 map for sure :aok

Nice work <S>
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: JimmyD3 on June 09, 2023, 03:52:11 PM
I am amazed at your abilities Oboe, that is awesome!!! :rock
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: Max on June 09, 2023, 04:14:46 PM
Kenai & Oboe...you guys ROCK! Thanks for all your hard work.

 :salute
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: oboe on October 11, 2023, 04:59:04 PM
Just finished my seventh MA terrain in the Operational Navigation Chart style.  This one is Kenai's very fine 3Points map; a real-world location of the central Great Lakes region, nicely adapted for the Melee Arena. 

Click image for massive 2088x2500px version
(https://i.imgur.com/ytAmE5U.jpg)

Thank you, Kenai!
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: Vraciu on October 11, 2023, 07:43:05 PM
Man, if Hitech could make these selectable in the MA... :banana:
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: CptTrips on October 11, 2023, 08:09:50 PM

That is very nice work oboe.

Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: Devil 505 on October 11, 2023, 08:53:42 PM
These are so cool.
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: oboe on October 11, 2023, 10:32:00 PM
Thanks guys - I notice a couple of errors I need to fix in this one; corrected version should be coming tomorrow...
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: oboe on October 12, 2023, 09:05:12 AM
Had to correct some shoreline issues and the map number and date.  Here is a lightened version more suitable for printing. 

Click for full-size version
(https://i.imgur.com/QtEETIC.jpg)

Someday I'm going over to Kinkos with these on a thumbdrive and see how a poster-size print turns out.   
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: JimmyD3 on October 12, 2023, 02:03:39 PM
Very nice Oboe.  :aok   :salute
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: ZE on October 13, 2023, 10:34:00 AM
WTG Oboe & Kenay for such excellent work... :salute :salute :salute
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: Shuffler on October 13, 2023, 12:36:44 PM
These are classics right from the start. Very nice.
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: oboe on November 10, 2023, 05:17:18 PM
Here is Kong's "Crags" MA terrain in the Operational Navigation Chart style - a fantastic example of authentic physical geography and landforms.   Really looks quite realistic and believable.  This is map number 19 in the MA rotation.  Per a suggestion I've tried to include the locations of the CVs and the ports they are tied to, while trying to remain in the overall theme of the Operational Navigation Chart.  This are the starting locations of the boats when in offline mode.  Not sure I like it but it's a first try at it anyway.  Feedback appreciated as always!

Click image for full-size 2088x2500px version
(https://i.imgur.com/YRtJ6LY.jpg)

This map is also interesting for its complete lack of shore batteries, and heavy reliance on small, short fields.  Only 1 large AF and 4 Mediums per country; the rest are Smalls.   No BB Groups, either.   I'm interested in hearing opinions of how this map plays out when its up in the MA.   I haven't seen enough of it.

 :salute
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: GasTeddy on November 11, 2023, 10:33:10 AM
I like realistic maps. There are some sims, where one has to orientate with map and compass only. No dar showing you on the map, neither cons nor friends let alone icons. Challenging.
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: oboe on November 11, 2023, 11:30:36 AM
I like realistic maps. There are some sims, where one has to orientate with map and compass only. No dar showing you on the map, neither cons nor friends let alone icons. Challenging.

I like that too.  When you have to navigate by landmarks and water features, too. 
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: Shuffler on November 11, 2023, 11:41:59 AM
Very nice indeed.
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: oboe on January 07, 2024, 12:30:11 PM
Here is Greebo's "Mindanao" MA terrain in the Operational Navigation Chart style, number 6 in the MA terrain rotation.  The clipboard map terrain in this terrain was quite dark, so I underlaid and blended it with a true physical relief map of the island.  Hopefully that works OK.  I've again included locations of the CVs and the ports they are tied to, while trying to remain within the overall theme of Operational Navigation Chart style. 

Click image for full-size 2088x2500px version
(https://i.imgur.com/jNDNKYp.jpg)

This is the 9th MA terrain I've done in the style.   I also have smaller, black and white versions of these maps suitable for printing on 81/2 x 11" paper.   If people are interested I can link those here.
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: The Fugitive on January 07, 2024, 06:00:17 PM
I didnt think it was Greebo that made this map. I think as it was one of the original maps, that a player named SF I think built it? I thought the only map Greebo made was Crater, and he rebuilt and killed the Tank town in the crater  :cry
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: oboe on January 07, 2024, 07:09:03 PM
Thanks, Fugitive.  I'm not sure how I got the impression Greebo made the Mindanao map.  I'll have to ask him if he did or remembers who did.  Many times the creator of the terrain is listed in the terrain downloads section of the clipboard, but Mindanao's creator is not listed...
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: JimmyD3 on January 07, 2024, 08:05:47 PM
Very nice Oboe. :aok
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: The Fugitive on January 07, 2024, 09:39:29 PM
Thanks, Fugitive.  I'm not sure how I got the impression Greebo made the Mindanao map.  I'll have to ask him if he did or remembers who did.  Many times the creator of the terrain is listed in the terrain downloads section of the clipboard, but Mindanao's creator is not listed...

Asking Greebo is a good choice. BTW, I love the map YOU made. I appreciate that your trying to give credit where its due, but I I sorry I side tracked a great work of art.

<S>
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: xanax on January 07, 2024, 11:36:08 PM
Wow, these are beautiful. Maps such as these make the game more immersive while adding character and feel in my opinion. Another aspect that these maps would more than accentuate immersion would be the changing of the naming system. If Hitech would allow names like A51, for example, to be changed to something like "Fencer Field" or "City" to be something like "Pyro City" and the like would be cool and far more immersive. Naming places and things after prominent players of the past or present I think would add character and makes it easier to remember and familiarize where spots are on the maps. " There's a group of Lanc's flying low on the north side of Hitech Mountain otw to Nobaddy!" Valleys, mountains and bays etc. could take on "Milk Run Alley, Furball Island" and the like on the map. Air Warrior did a bit of this long ago. I remember "The VOD" or "Valley of Dweebs" in particular or folks doing a milk run to "BigRod....a Field named after "Nick BigRod." I don't know, adding history and stuff like that adds to the feel and immersion for me. Not too sure if it does for others.
Anyhow, these maps are amazing and it'd be cool to download as a PDF and hang on a wall near my rig for reference. I'd love to strafe the Hell out of Pnus troop training center someday and look it up later on my glorious map.
 Fantastic work, Oboe.
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: oboe on January 08, 2024, 08:48:33 AM
Thanks very much guys.  It's nice to know when people appreciate something you've created for the game. 

Fugi, I checked with Greebo and you are right sir, he didn't create it.  Greebo thinks it was most likely created in-house by an HTC staffer.   Don't know how I came about that misapprehension <shrug>.  Thank you for pointing it out; I'll either drop of the author entirely or replace it with something like "HTC".   I'll correct this map and repost the link to the corrected version.

Thanks xanax - I agree about the naming of fields and geographic areas;  would be cool to see.   In the case of real-world locations like this, we'd all learn some geography, probably not a bad thing.   And in the case of made-up terrains, it might be nice to make memorials out of field names and such, out of respect for longtime players or those that have passed.   

A note about printing them - I think the color balance is currently optimized for viewing on a monitor; I think the colors maybe a bit intense for printing.   I'm experimenting with creating "print-ready" versions which have the color intensity dialed back somewhat.  At some point I'm going to have Kinko's or some local copy center create poster-size versions of my favorites of these maps just to see how they look on large format paper.  I'll post my findings and results when I do that.

 :salute
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: oboe on January 08, 2024, 09:27:33 AM
Updated version:

Click image for full-size 2088x2500px version
(https://i.imgur.com/HFs9GRB.jpg)
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: Animl-AW on January 08, 2024, 10:07:10 AM
Map makers, skins, and what Oboe does here, puts s face on AH. Thanks for every minute of time put into these projects you chose to take on.

That said, round maps give the gamey arcade impression (sorry), realistic maps give the sim impression, IMO. It would be nice to weed some out. You guys have really honed your skills over time.

IF (a massive word), HT updated the 3D engine, without any new ideas or changes, AH would accelerate to top tear again. And you guys would put us there. The game would sell itself. Us dreamers dream big, so then there’s that.
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: Shuffler on January 08, 2024, 11:25:39 AM
I am going to plot one of these large format to see how it looks. Might be suitable for framing on the wall next to my rig.
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: Animl-AW on January 08, 2024, 11:38:24 AM
Updated version:

Click image for full-size 2088x2500px version
(https://i.imgur.com/HFs9GRB.jpg)

My fav
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: oboe on January 11, 2024, 01:10:51 PM
Hey guys, just adding the rest of the ONC maps to this thread.  There are a total of 9 MA terrains that I've done in Operational Navigation Chart style.  Click on each image for the full 2088 x 2500px version.   I'm working on print-ready versions where the colors are less intense and will use less ink when printed.

Baltic
(https://i.imgur.com/2ZCM8R3.jpg)

CraterMA
(https://i.imgur.com/0EefC5b.jpg)

ETOMA
(https://i.imgur.com/rHyGEHc.jpg)

FJORDMA
(https://i.imgur.com/UiE9r0u.jpg)

MONTIS
(https://i.imgur.com/MaHBAHq.jpg)
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: Shuffler on January 11, 2024, 03:05:40 PM
I just printed Montis on large format, Arch D (36"x24")(landscape). High resolution 1200 dpi on my HP Designjet T1100PS. It looks great. Suitable for framing.
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: GasTeddy on January 11, 2024, 04:16:11 PM
That Baltic one is really nice. And all my former hometowns have a base.    :D
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: Animl-AW on January 11, 2024, 08:33:57 PM
Oboe, and the likes, are gems fo AH. Should be respected and not disrespected by used car salesmen.

Back in band camp, all these things were things I did.
I can’t top any if these guys. So I just stand back, and smile.

Respect your true brothers in crime. They have 100% of mine. <S>
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: oboe on January 12, 2024, 08:23:15 AM
 :salute.  It is a strange compulsion to make these maps so I'm glad somebody else likes them and/or finds them useful for something.   Shuffler, that is a nice printer you have access to!   

I just saw I forgot to add the light-colored shallows around the coast of Mindanao.   And I think I'll go back and add the CV fleets and Aces High logo to the maps that don't have them.
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: jedi25 on January 12, 2024, 08:15:06 PM
Lovely maps Oboe..  :salute
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: JimmyD3 on January 13, 2024, 01:59:58 PM
Shuffler, can you sell those large copies??
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: Animl-AW on January 13, 2024, 07:54:13 PM
:salute.  It is a strange compulsion to make these maps so I'm glad somebody else likes them and/or finds them useful for something.   Shuffler, that is a nice printer you have access to!   

I just saw I forgot to add the light-colored shallows around the coast of Mindanao.   And I think I'll go back and add the CV fleets and Aces High logo to the maps that don't have them.

Things like this are a harmless hobby. Same as making videos. Something to do.
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: Shuffler on January 15, 2024, 09:17:47 AM
Shuffler, can you sell those large copies??

I do not own the terrains or the art.
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: steely07 on January 16, 2024, 07:00:09 PM
These are fantastic, we have such a talented group of individuals who play this game!
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: oboe on February 05, 2024, 10:51:44 AM
This I think is the final version of the ETO MA Terrain map.   I've added the CV and BB groups with ties to their home ports, and real place names where I could to the bases.   I've increased the brightness of the sea areas and the land so it comes out looking better on my ink jet printer.   This is the version I'd like to take to Fedex/Kinkos and have them print on matte poster paper, just to see how it turns out.

Click image for full-size version
(https://i.imgur.com/na73gPc.jpg)

Working on adding labels to the Black Sea terrain map next...
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: JimmyD3 on February 05, 2024, 11:02:33 AM
Oboe, that is just Awesome!!! :rock
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: oboe on February 05, 2024, 11:21:16 AM
You made it happen, Kenai.  Thank you for creating this terrain!

I'd like to try planning out a bomber mission with it sometime using real headings, speeds and timings and just see how close I get to the target.   I've chopped up this image into four 8.5x11" pages; trimmed and taped them together to create a 14" x 17" version.   It has a nice full-size map feel to it; the labels are easily readable at that size.   

Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: JimmyD3 on February 05, 2024, 12:57:45 PM
I wonder what it would take for Office Depot to print one out that size?
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: Eagler on February 05, 2024, 01:45:17 PM
Is there a way that these maps are the ones used in ma?

Hard to tell the topo on the existing ones

They look very cool  Thanks!

Eagler
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: oboe on February 05, 2024, 02:49:10 PM
Is there a way that these maps are the ones used in ma?

Hard to tell the topo on the existing ones

They look very cool  Thanks!

Eagler

Eagler if you are asking if these maps can be used as the clipboard map in the MA, I don't know.  Would be cool, but I am not sure how the clipboard maps are made.
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: JimmyD3 on February 05, 2024, 02:53:55 PM
Eagler, the above map is of the ETOMA map in the MA. Oboe has done a beautiful job. :x
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: The Fugitive on February 05, 2024, 03:33:28 PM
Is there a way that these maps are the ones used in ma?

Hard to tell the topo on the existing ones

They look very cool  Thanks!

Eagler

You can edit any map in the "maps" folder. Save them as a .bmp, and keep them 512x512 and you can load them in the notebook.

I have edited the HQ map as I dont use that one. Mine now has a list of all the voice commands I have in voice attack. The list was getting long as to what I have so I can bring up the page when I need one that I dont use often. Had to read a list if its on a paper on the desk with my headset on.

The only issue I see might be reading the map once you shrink it down to 512x512. I might have to give that a try tomorrow.
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: oboe on February 05, 2024, 06:20:05 PM
I think what Eagler meant was can this map be the clipboard map for the given MA terrain.  I could make a version of this without any of the bases or CV icons on it.  Then, if that map could be loaded instead, the MA clipboard functionality would provide the bases, fleets, the radar overlays, etc.   

I don't know how big the clipboard terrain map is, but I'm sure it much larger than 512x512 - you can zoom in and out and and drag it around with the cursor.

Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: The Fugitive on February 05, 2024, 09:16:56 PM
I think what Eagler meant was can this map be the clipboard map for the given MA terrain.  I could make a version of this without any of the bases or CV icons on it.  Then, if that map could be loaded instead, the MA clipboard functionality would provide the bases, fleets, the radar overlays, etc.   

I don't know how big the clipboard terrain map is, but I'm sure it much larger than 512x512 - you can zoom in and out and and drag it around with the cursor.

Yes, that is exactly what I was saying. Open any of them and and check the size. The few I popped open were 512x512 bmps

I'll have time to mess with it tomorrow and will post a screen shot of the clipboard with one loaded  then.
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: The Fugitive on February 06, 2024, 07:53:19 AM
Sorry, to add this as a usable clipboard map you would need access to the res file in game. You can add it as a clipboard map like the town, depot maps but you cant zoom in or have the spawn points and such on it. My mistake.
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: oboe on February 06, 2024, 08:27:26 AM
No worries, Fugitive.  The intent of the idea is a good one I think.   
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: oboe on February 16, 2024, 03:21:16 PM
Black Sea Terrain with place labels

Click image for full-size version
(https://i.imgur.com/bF5112Y.jpg)
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: GasTeddy on February 16, 2024, 03:55:40 PM
My house is not marked...    :O   Btw, 6.10.2, Veliko Tarnovo, not Tarhovo.
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: oboe on February 16, 2024, 05:00:18 PM
Thank you GasTeddy, you're very helpful!
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: Shuffler on February 17, 2024, 04:15:33 PM
Simply mesmerizing.................. .......
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: Animl-AW on February 17, 2024, 10:33:52 PM
Pretty sure Oboe is part of the Matrix.
Non-stop good stuff <S> :)
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: hazmatt on February 17, 2024, 11:01:26 PM
My house is not marked...    :O   Btw, 6.10.2, Veliko Tarnovo, not Tarhovo.

Isn't that near Vulgaria? You live near  Baron Bomburst?
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: GasTeddy on February 18, 2024, 02:21:43 AM
Isn't that near Vulgaria? You live near  Baron Bomburst?

5.9.5, between number 5 and border. We have a big Nordic community here; 2 Finns, 2 Norwegians, 1 Swede and 1 Canadian. And, of course, Baron himself.
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: oboe on February 18, 2024, 07:20:32 AM
Gas Teddy do you have a town name?  I could through a dot on the map and label it..
Title: Re: MA Terrain Maps in Operational Navigation Chart style
Post by: GasTeddy on February 18, 2024, 09:28:58 AM
Gas Teddy do you have a town name?  I could through a dot on the map and label it..

My hometown? Blagoevgrad. Roof of the house is red and Jeep in front of it is brown. Finnish flag points out from my son's rooms window.     :D