General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: hazmatt on December 03, 2023, 04:48:27 PM
Title: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 03, 2023, 04:48:27 PM
Current prices are: Stalingrad is $19.99 Planes are $4.00
I'm not sure if that's a good deal or normal pricing.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Devil 505 on December 03, 2023, 04:57:48 PM
Great prices for those. About 75% off regular.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: yipi on December 03, 2023, 04:59:48 PM
Their pretty awesome in VR. Went to the site and saw all the sales. U can get Tank battle for around 20 dollars.i don't have Normandy so I will get it today. Their sales don't last long. I have missed good deals by waiting to long :angel:. The Flying Circus is my favorite
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 03, 2023, 05:23:24 PM
Cool! Thanks for the quick response. I'm gonna get me something. Any recommendations for somebody just starting? Was thinking maybe Stalingrad and some of the 4.99 planes.
How do the planes work? Could I buy a plane from the latest expansion and fly it in Stalingrad?
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: yipi on December 03, 2023, 05:30:47 PM
U can fly all planes in all maps. It's usually cheaper to just buy the premium versions and get all the planes. I would get stalingrad and first . The planes are easy to setup and fly unlike DCS :embarrassed:
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 03, 2023, 05:32:47 PM
Nice! I'm gonna get the D9 and rule the Stalingrad map! hah!
One more question. Will you get all the planes if you buy the premium versions or are there planes that aren't included on an of the premium versions that are extra?
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Post by: yipi on December 03, 2023, 05:38:47 PM
Multi-player is free but it's hard to play because they don't have identifiers to show what side the planes are on. I kinda quit playing in them because I was shooting down my trammates
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: yipi on December 03, 2023, 05:40:28 PM
The site list the planes u get
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 03, 2023, 05:44:20 PM
Looks like there's some like the Hurri 2 that don't come with any of the expansions and some like the c202 and p40 that I wouldn't consider "premium" lol
Trying to figure this out as I go.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: yipi on December 03, 2023, 05:50:03 PM
I just bought Normandy and Tank Battle so I should have all their stuff now. Curious how TNk Battle will be. Will let yall know
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Devil 505 on December 03, 2023, 05:51:36 PM
You need to start with Stalingrad. It's the base game and all other packages are essentially DLC.
From there you can add on anything else, but non-Stalingrad items will be of limited use if you only have the Stalingrad game. For example, the only way you'll be able to use a Dora on the Stalingrad terrain is in the quick mission builder.
But that Dora would be much more useful to you if you are planning on playing online. The way online works is that anyone can plan on any map, even if they never bought the package with that map - they are just limited to the planes they did buy. So if you only bought Stalingrad and a Dora, you could play on a server with the Bodenplatte map with your Dora. And you could use Stalingrad planes on any server that has those planes enabled. Other than the one furball server, all the others that tend to be populated are set up Axis vs Allies with a historical-ish plane set. Those populated servers are also full realism servers, with engine management and no icons.
I haven't played online over there in about a year, so I don't know how often maps with Stalingrad planes are used these days, but the Normandy map was in use the majority of the time then. I imagine with the new Normandy map now being available now, it's just as popular. So I would lean more towards getting some later war and English Channel stuff. I'd say the 109G-6 is a must and probably the Spit V and 190A-3. The G-6/AS and Spit XIV (high back) should cover the late war stuff, if you don't want to just buy the Bodenplatte or Normandy packs outright.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Devil 505 on December 03, 2023, 05:55:46 PM
Looks like there's some like the Hurri 2 that don't come with any of the expansions and some like the c202 and p40 that I wouldn't consider "premium" lol
Trying to figure this out as I go.
The Hurri was made stand alone and not part of any specific theme.
On the other hand, the P-40 and C.202 was premium for the Moscow package. The P-40 might be useful to you, but I would leave the C.202 alone. It sucks and was not even accurate for the Moscow campaign in reality.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 03, 2023, 05:57:57 PM
Thanks for all the info.
I'm guessing that buying Stalingrad and Tank battle wouldn't give me two accounts.
I'm looking to be able to play with my kids as I had been hoping to do with AH.
What would be the best way to to do that?
I think I'm gonna buy Stalingrad premium and the D9 and Hurri2. Think that would be a good start?
Also I might buy Tank battle or Stalingrad as needed for a 2nd account.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Devil 505 on December 03, 2023, 05:59:53 PM
Also, I want to mention this in case you(or anyone else) are not aware: The Cliffs of Dover Blitz and Desert Wings - Tobruk are entirely different games and absolutely nothing is common between them and the other current IL-2 titles.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Devil 505 on December 03, 2023, 06:02:54 PM
I'm guessing that buying Stalingrad and Tank battle wouldn't give me two accounts.
I'm looking to be able to play with my kids as I had been hoping to do with AH.
What would be the best way to to do that?
I think I'm gonna buy Stalingrad premium and the D9 and Hurri2. Think that would be a good start?
Also I might buy Tank battle or Stalingrad as needed for a 2nd account.
The tank stuff will be on the same account. I just don't know how it's incorporated game play wise. I've never used the tanks and don't intend to.
Do your kids currently play the game? It may be best to see what they are usually doing and try to make your purchases fit in.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 03, 2023, 06:10:07 PM
IL2 is all new for all of us.
Kids have AH accounts that don't have subs that they play in DA with the AI drones and WWII online free to play accounts only.
So are: Cliffs of Dover Blitz and Desert Wings worth buying? Do they have their own servers and such?
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Devil 505 on December 03, 2023, 06:13:06 PM
So are you looking to all play together at once or are you taking turns on one PC?
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Post by: yipi on December 03, 2023, 06:13:56 PM
After u install stalingrad and set up your plane u only have to purchase the other scenarios or planes and the automatically get available when u log on. Same with Tank Battle u just purchase it and it's good to go in all your scenarios. Trying out Tank Battle now it looks great in VR but not so much on the monitor
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 03, 2023, 06:16:08 PM
So are you looking to all play together at once or are you taking turns on one PC?
All play together on different PCs.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Dadtallica on December 03, 2023, 06:36:43 PM
I’m still playing IL-1946 with the bat mod and I still love it. It’s the only other game I play not AH. I read somewhere they do monthly mmo event that gets a couple hundred people. They have no active multiplayer anymore.
Haven’t pulled the trigger on any new IL’s but the right sale might get me too lol. I probably wouldn’t play multiplayer with the new ones anyway I kinda am partial to AH. Is IL multiplayer just battling or is there any strategy involved?
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: CAV on December 03, 2023, 06:55:04 PM
Quote
You need to start with Stalingrad. It's the base game and all other packages are essentially DLC.
Only if you buy from Steam.......... if the buy from thr IL-2 site, they are independent of each other you can play anything without first buying Stalingrad.
CAV
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 03, 2023, 07:00:56 PM
I'm not buying on steam.
So if I bought Moscow on one account.
And Stalingrad on another account.
My kids and I could play together or the accounts need to be the same?
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: yipi on December 03, 2023, 07:12:05 PM
I've only bought directly from the IL2 site but I launch from steam in VR that's the only way it works for me
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Devil 505 on December 03, 2023, 07:16:09 PM
Only if you buy from Steam.......... if the buy from thr IL-2 site, they are independent of each other you can play anything without first buying Stalingrad.
CAV
Is that the case now? I got the game pre-steam when it was just Stalingrad and Moscow and was told then to get Stalingrad first and add Moscow onto it.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Devil 505 on December 03, 2023, 07:19:42 PM
My kids and I could play together or the accounts need to be the same?
The only benefit would be having both maps, but each account would be limited to the planes bought with each account. So one account is only Stalingrad planes and the other is only Moscow planes. Better to have them both be the same so they can truly play together.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 03, 2023, 07:23:34 PM
Guess I'm confused.
I thought to play online you went to a server with the planes you had and you could play.
I figured that if I had 1 account with Stalingrad and one with Moscow that we could go play on a server with the planes available on account 1 or account 2 on that map.
Can somebody please explain if this is wrong?
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: yipi on December 03, 2023, 07:25:51 PM
I'm thinking u want to create different logins at the IL2 site and purchase stalingrad fir each and then buy other stuff per account
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Devil 505 on December 03, 2023, 07:48:27 PM
I thought to play online you went to a server with the planes you had and you could play.
I figured that if I had 1 account with Stalingrad and one with Moscow that we could go play on a server with the planes available on account 1 or account 2 on that map.
Can somebody please explain if this is wrong?
Each player is limited to only the planes owned by their own account. They can play on any server as long as that server has those planes enabled, regardless if they own the package with that server's map.
For example:
A server has the Kuban map and planes from both Moscow and Stalingrad as well as Kuban. Both accounts can play on this server, but they have different planes available. The Moscow account can only fly Moscow planes and the Stalingrad account can only fly Stalingrad planes. Neither can fly a Kuban plane.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 03, 2023, 07:50:14 PM
Lets see if I understand this right.
If I purchase Moscow I could set up a server on that account and join and fly with my other Stalingrad account and vice versa.
In addition to this we could both play on online severs with our accounts with the planes we had on that account.
If this is the case I think I would think to buy D9 on the Moscow account and the Hurricane on the Stalingrad account.
Does this make sense or am I totally out of my mind?
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Devil 505 on December 03, 2023, 08:02:13 PM
Yes that is all possible, but I don't think you grasp the limitations.
Only the account that bought the Dora can use it. Likewise the Hurricane.
You can never have both players in Doras together unless both have bought the Dora.
Since no package share an aircraft, it is very possible to have one player locked out of flying in multiplayer because their planes are not available on that server. It's less of an issue if you create your own server. You could have all the planes enabled, but each account is still limited to only the planes they own.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: yipi on December 03, 2023, 08:11:52 PM
With the price of stalingrad being so low I would get it for each account
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Post by: yipi on December 03, 2023, 08:17:59 PM
My impression of IL2 Tank Battle is its worth getting for 20 dollars just to see what the inside of tanks look like. I could see where it would be fun for few people to team up an operate it. I'm not doing to well yet in it my crew keeps jumping out of the tank and running away. The Sherman is really cramped but the German have lots of room
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 03, 2023, 08:24:54 PM
With the price of stalingrad being so low I would get it for each account
Here's my idea. The Moscow account is $12. I could get 1 and add the d9 for$5 so for $17 I could have Moscow with a d9. I would get 2 of these for the kids as it seems to be the best bang for the buck.
For my account I'd get Stalingrad premium for 19 and add the d9 and the hurri2 for a total cost of $30
That way we'd have 3 accounts with d9s to fly together and we'd have 3 accounts total.
That would put me at about $65 for 3 accounts with all having D9s and my account would have the Stalingrad planes plus la5, a3 and d9 and hurri2
I don't see the p40 and c202 as worth paying for premium for.
Does that make sense or am I misunderstanding something?
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: yipi on December 03, 2023, 08:32:06 PM
Yep sounds good. Really the plane I fly most is the spit and 38 they look awesome
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Post by: yipi on December 03, 2023, 08:35:00 PM
Get Tank Battle while it's 20 dollars if u have VR if not dont
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Devil 505 on December 03, 2023, 08:39:06 PM
The only question I have is why Moscow? The Moscow planes have the least use outside of the Moscow themed servers.
I think you'd get better bang for the buck with Kuban.
Both Moscow and Kuban are $17.50
Stalingrad is $12.50.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: yipi on December 03, 2023, 08:44:11 PM
I have s hard time figuring out saving money on anything anymore when I lose like 100k a month in the stock market lol
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 03, 2023, 08:49:04 PM
The only question I have is why Moscow? The Moscow planes have the least use outside of the Moscow themed servers.
I think you'd get better bang for the buck with Kuban.
Both Moscow and Kuban are $17.50
Stalingrad is $12.50.
Maybe Stalingrad premium, Kuban basic and Moscow basic and use the saved money to buy D9s for all 3 accounts? Seems that would give us a lot of planes to fly.
I just want a plane that will be competitive against the lw stuff while saving as much as I can.
What do you guys think I should buy?
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Devil 505 on December 03, 2023, 09:29:34 PM
Maybe Stalingrad premium, Kuban basic and Moscow basic and use the saved money to buy D9s for all 3 accounts? Seems that would give us a lot of planes to fly.
I just want a plane that will be competitive against the lw stuff while saving as much as I can.
What do you guys think I should buy?
I just checked the multiplayer servers. The only populated server right now has a Rhineland 1945 theme, but the Luftwaffe has all the Bodenplatte, Normandy, and Kuban planes enabled.
I think your best bet is to go Kuban plus a Dora on all 3 accounts.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 03, 2023, 09:59:14 PM
I just checked the multiplayer servers. The only populated server right now has a Rhineland 1945 theme, but the Luftwaffe has all the Bodenplatte, Normandy, and Kuban planes enabled.
I think your best bet is to go Kuban plus a Dora on all 3 accounts.
What do you mean by: "only populated server"? Nobody plays on the online servers?
Ooop. Fail. I just bought Stalingrad premium lol.
Guess I'll get Kuban for the other 2?
Prob go for the basic as I don't see it worth paying $10 for the Mk.VВ and Hs 129 B-2 as I think the HS 129 worthless for me as I'm looking to play online with my kids like I would have done in AH if I wouldn't have to pay $60 per month to do it.
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Post by: Devil 505 on December 03, 2023, 10:52:42 PM
There's only a few servers that will regularly have more than 40 players. At the time I checked there was just one. The others were empty or just had a couple of people.
Yeah, go with the basic with the Kuban packs.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 03, 2023, 11:14:11 PM
Why are the numbers so low? People moved on to something else? I figured if I set up a server I could prob get 10 people that would show up there...
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Post by: Eagler on December 04, 2023, 07:23:18 AM
Bet Dale loves this thread
Eagler
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Animl-AW on December 04, 2023, 08:29:30 AM
This thread is ridiculous. This former players selling other games is AH suicide. Except its by former players.
Stupid
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Post by: Animl-AW on December 04, 2023, 08:32:07 AM
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Animl-AW on December 04, 2023, 08:43:16 AM
Pull the plug on the bbs fir a week. It causes more damage than anything in the game itself.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: CptTrips on December 04, 2023, 09:26:42 AM
I never could get into IL2. Don't know why really. It has it's charms. I guess I just don't like russian stuff.
They have their own problems. They've lost the person who was the driving vision (i.e. Jason Williams moving on to start Combat Pilot.)
How to Kill a Game:
1. Lack of meaningful new development. 2. Lack of communication with the player-base and a believable roadmap going forward. 3. Loss of momentum. 4. Allowing to the player-base to begin to suspect the game has no future thus being a poor investment of time and money.
I wish AH had a passable single-player layer. I know no one here would be interested that but it is the fishing lure that hooks many players into the franchise and some of them will eventually try MP, but in the meantime it is at least revenue to fund development. DCS and IL2 would be out of business except for their single-player revenue.
Jason Williams stated that Combat Pilot will start with a base single-player design to build revenue and a player-base, then leverage that foundation to build the MP layer. No money, no development.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: waystin2 on December 04, 2023, 11:14:51 AM
The Pigs On The Wing highly recommend a visit to our ARMA 3 server. All friends are welcome! :aok
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Animl-AW on December 04, 2023, 11:40:30 AM
Yall deserve what's coming. and I hope it hits hard. Never seen such stupid in my life.
If I owned the game and read this,.. I would trash any update I might be working on.
You get what you ask for.
I don't ever want to read your fake concerns again. Now, go shoot your drones, because that's damn exciting.
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Post by: waystin2 on December 04, 2023, 11:46:29 AM
I can translate. Animl has trouble contemplating two conflicting ideas that can both be true. He thinks talking about IL2 will end the player base for AH. Because of this he would also “trash any development if he were the owner” because that’s a healthy adult response.
Nevermind the actual data we have all seen that player decline has slowed to a steady floor. When I came back a year ago there were 119 people in the MA on my fist night back… I think may have been a mid week day.
Also, they aren’t even the same game in my opinion. The warfare aspect of taking territory on a WWII map and item set will always be the secret sauce of AH. For me personally, I do not understand why people pay for planes and more money for maps etc… I get the money may even out or even be less than AH but you get all you want. Is true for me anyway.
In his defense however, the OP should have put this in the O’Club sub.
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Post by: CptTrips on December 04, 2023, 12:51:07 PM
I can translate. Animl has trouble contemplating two conflicting ideas that can both be true. He thinks talking about IL2 will end the player base for AH. Because of this he would also “trash any development if he were the owner” because that’s a healthy adult response.
You were expecting an healthy adult response from Animl? :rofl :rofl :rofl
Nevermind the actual data we have all seen that player decline has slowed to a steady floor. When I came back a year ago there were 119 people in the MA on my fist night back… I think may have been a mid week day.
Last time I had come back in late 2018, normal Melee numbers hovered around 186. Sometimes in the 200's if it coincided with a FSO or Event. Nowadays it is around 120. Sometimes higher on a FSO night or in dead of winter. You have to throw out 2020 data. Pandemic completely skewed numbers and distorted the data. I suspect if you had a chart from say 2012 to now, the rate of loss would have been much higher YoY between 2013 and 2018 as from 2018 to now. You are down to the lifers. They are going to slowly evaporate due to demographics but seldom by choice. The real risk isn't current players being lured away, but at the apparent inability to attract any new player to replace old ones. No, I don't mean an old player returning for the fifth time (each time shorter than the last) with a new shade. I mean brand new young players who found the game and are signing up and going to bring excitement and new blood into the game and break up some of the ossification that has set in.
Also, they aren’t even the same game in my opinion. The warfare aspect of taking territory on a WWII map and item set will always be the secret sauce of AH. For me personally, I do not understand why people pay for planes and more money for maps etc… I get the money may even out or even be less than AH but you get all you want. Is true for me anyway.
I mostly agree. I had several people contact me in PM about the viability of DCS for WWII. I say the same thing in private I do in public (you might try that Animl). If you are looking to satisfy a WWII itch like AH, DCS will not do that for you. It is a totally different kind of game and WWII is not their focus. It is not, at this time, a direct competitor to AH. Although I always encourage anyone to try their helo. Helo's are a blast if you like flightsiming. There is no overlap there with AH. You can still play AH and add helo's to add some spice. That's what some here do.
IL2 is a closer competitor, but I don't know enough about it to gauge the level. And they seem to be slipping towards abandonware.
Combat Pilot is interesting to contemplate, but too far off to be considered a meaningful risk.
I can translate. Animl has trouble contemplating two conflicting ideas that can both be true. He thinks talking about IL2 will end the player base for AH. Because of this he would also “trash any development if he were the owner” because that’s a healthy adult response.
Nevermind the actual data we have all seen that player decline has slowed to a steady floor. When I came back a year ago there were 119 people in the MA on my fist night back… I think may have been a mid week day.
Also, they aren’t even the same game in my opinion. The warfare aspect of taking territory on a WWII map and item set will always be the secret sauce of AH. For me personally, I do not understand why people pay for planes and more money for maps etc… I get the money may even out or even be less than AH but you get all you want. Is true for me anyway.
In his defense however, the OP should have put this in the O’Club sub.
I concur the two games, hell DCS as well are completely different. There never has been anything remotely like AH in my 25 plus years of gaming experience. It is sad to see it reduced from its glory days but I hope and pray a miracle will kick it back into a growth cycle.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Dadtallica on December 04, 2023, 01:03:22 PM
I don’t feel AH has any direct competitors at the moment if we are comparing apples to apples. If we are talking about apples to wrenches then AH doesn’t have the extras.
I’ve said it many times that the biggest issue for us to attract new people is our continuing distance from WWII. In addition, the world is not the world of 25 years ago and the focus on WWII is dwindling in most US school districts. Not sure about other countries on the world where it may have hit closer to home much longer.
Nothing in the universe lasts forever in its original form. We are all just stardust.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 04, 2023, 03:46:51 PM
Ya, My bad. I should have posted in O club but I always post here and did it out of habit.
I shall commit seppuku tomorrow, or the next day depending on the weather.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 04, 2023, 07:46:30 PM
Holy cow! The sale is over. One I paid 19 for yesterday is now 79! and the other that I paid 14 for is now 49! The planes went from 4 to 20.
I'm glad I was able to catch the sale. Is their any rhyme or reason to when they have sales? Maybe that was a cyber Monday sale?
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Devil 505 on December 04, 2023, 08:00:38 PM
They usually do a winter sale and a summer sale. Those were the best prices I've seen, glad you could get something.
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Post by: yipi on December 05, 2023, 09:31:15 AM
Yep sale time short. Glad u got what u wanted. I t think this was a good topic anything that gets people like your kids interested in ww2 Sims helps this game out. I do DCS IL2 and AH they all are fun but different. DCS for me is just if I really want to learn to fly realistic. IL2 is just for quick plays and AH is for multiplayer
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Post by: GasTeddy on December 05, 2023, 10:45:19 AM
Grabbed Tank Crew, FW190D and Hs 129 via sales. Had Bodenplatte, Kuban and Sturm already.
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Post by: Lazerr on December 05, 2023, 01:35:43 PM
Never tried IL2 for some reason. I did try Warthuder and thought it was cheesy as all hell.
Having two young kids now.. not going to happen. Maybe if it's around in 14 years I'll give it a try.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: LCADolby on December 05, 2023, 01:58:37 PM
If IL2 could port it's graphics to AcesHigh,there'd be a mad rush of sales :old:
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 05, 2023, 06:19:07 PM
Ugh. I had to install stream and steamVR to get my VR to work in IL2.
I having some fun doing some nutjob stuff. One mission I set up to intercept a c47 with a HE 111 H6. The guns sux so bad that I think the gunners ran out of ammo before they shot it down. I'm gonna try it with the H16 and see how that goes. It's kinda cool watching the front gunner jump up and grab the gun and start shooting and then madly replacing drums of ammo. I'm kinda shocked the Germans didn't have belt fed defensive guns in their bombers from the start.
I must say I love the collision modeling. It's pretty dramatic. Big fireball and everybody dies.
However I was able to chew most of the vertical stab off a C47 with an HE111 prop. I could tell from what was left that prop was made of wood lol. I ended up having to crash land it in a field.
The AI pilots are a trip. Bastages love to fly directly into the sun and I have to use the bars on the canopy to try to see them.
Another time I chased a p47 into a cloud only to find out it was a rainstorm and I couldn't see anything. That one got away.
There's some capture the flag thing that I'm trying to figure out and also how to do ground attack.
It has relaxed realism where there are icons but in the full realism I could see how you could shoot down friendly planes.
Every time I fly the 110 I manage to burn up both engines within about 15 minutes. Not sure how I'm doing it as I'm not running it wide open the whole time.
The the biggest thing that is missing from IL2 that I've noticed so far is the 200 chat/drama but then again the reason I took a break was because of the mods on 200. LOL
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: GasTeddy on December 06, 2023, 10:36:14 AM
Flag catch is done by tanks, aircrafts are supporting and protecting them. With 110, you have to use cooler shutters (oil & water) manually. It's a keyboard command I never remember.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Icer on December 06, 2023, 11:21:30 AM
Ugh. I had to install stream and steamVR to get my VR to work in IL2. Every time I fly the 110 I manage to burn up both engines within about 15 minutes. Not sure how I'm doing it as I'm not running it wide open the whole time.
If your headset is capable you can run IL-2 in OpenXR, and use XRNecksafer with it. For OpenXR you just change one dll file (\bin\game\Openvr_api.dll). For your "burning up engines" issue I suggest you install the "Pilot Notes for Cockpit photos mod" to see each planes limitations while in the cockpit (https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/55201-pilots-notes-for-cockpit-photos/).
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: LCADolby on December 06, 2023, 11:35:08 AM
For your "burning up engines" issue I suggest you install the "Pilot Notes for Cockpit photos mod" to see each planes limitations while in the cockpit (https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/55201-pilots-notes-for-cockpit-photos/).
:aok superb use of the photo
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Devil 505 on December 06, 2023, 11:59:49 AM
If your headset is capable you can run IL-2 in OpenXR, and use XRNecksafer with it. For OpenXR you just change one dll file (\bin\game\Openvr_api.dll). For your "burning up engines" issue I suggest you install the "Pilot Notes for Cockpit photos mod" to see each planes limitations while in the cockpit (https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/55201-pilots-notes-for-cockpit-photos/).
That's genius. Kudos to whoever had that idea.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Eagler on December 06, 2023, 12:15:32 PM
Wondering what the level of hacks and cheats in il2 is...
With as many allowed hacks as seems to be allowed..it would lend itself to such unlike ah where you can't
Eagler
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Animl-AW on December 06, 2023, 02:54:37 PM
This dweeb should have posted this on IL-2 forums instead in puking on ours. What a bunch of former player DipS*&^%. This is AH,....obviously, not for long. Moron
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Animl-AW on December 06, 2023, 02:55:38 PM
If IL2 could port it's graphics to AcesHigh,there'd be a mad rush of sales :old:
I though you left? Your word is about as good as a wet book of matches. Full of crap from head to toe.
I'm charging royalties if you use my copyrighted reply.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Animl-AW on December 06, 2023, 03:08:09 PM
I think the fact that this post not being locked should be a red flag to all of you in it.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 06, 2023, 03:51:53 PM
I know it might be hard for you to see through all your hate Animl-AW and you might find it shocking that I am currently helping somebody build a PC who wants to get back flying AH via PMs...
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: TryHard on December 06, 2023, 06:21:40 PM
I know it might be hard for you to see through all your hate Animl-AW and you might find it shocking that I am currently helping somebody build a PC who wants to get back flying AH via PMs...
Who knew flight sims were the Highlander of video games… there can be only one.
I read this whole thread and I still logged into AH tonight. I must be weird.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Dadtallica on December 06, 2023, 10:12:37 PM
Also one other note to the major differences between AH and IL2 and why they are not the same and have alternate appeal.
Most people know about the expansive and immersive AH WWII plane/item set and the capture the flag map styles are what make it a unicorn in current sims.
All IL2 has is the career/missions mode but they are severely lacking unless you mod and even then you have to fly for a long time in a set path. I have only played IL2 1946 myself but you have to wait FOREVER to get to the target of a mission and some missions you never do anything but fly.
With AH you still do all that but it’s up to you what happens next.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 07, 2023, 12:35:28 AM
For sure it's different. AH is more like playing an arcade game. Fast paced etc. Il2 is more like a flight sim, flight modeling collisions etc.
So for the online stuff for me has been boring but I'm still learning too. My first 2 sorties I flew around and found nothing to fight. First one I deadsticked back to base because of a light fuel load. 2nd one I managed to land but got kicked on the runway for "inactivity" and I'll let you know how the 3rd one goes :)
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: CptTrips on December 07, 2023, 01:06:10 AM
For sure it's different. AH is more like playing an arcade game. Fast paced etc. Il2 is more like a flight sim, flight modeling collisions etc.
So for the online stuff for me has been boring but I'm still learning too. My first 2 sorties I flew around and found nothing to fight. First one I deadsticked back to base because of a light fuel load. 2nd one I managed to land but got kicked on the runway for "inactivity" and I'll let you know how the 3rd one goes :)
Of course most of that is down to the mission designer. You might try dabbling a bit in the editor to tweak something exactly to your tastes. It's possible the enemy passed by and you didn't see them? have you tried the time accel?
I wouldn't call AH an arcade. Any simulation has to make a design decision on where they draw the line and what they simulate and what they don't. AH decided not to include stuff like engine managements and IL2 and DCS did. It's not wrong, just drawing the line in a different place.
The FM for the pony in DCS felt ... something a little more dynamic and fluid. Can put my finger on why, but it was pretty close to AH. The fact I couldn't put my finger on it shows how close they are anyway. DCS is more of a study sim. They went hilt deep in fidelity and all the trouble of working the engine and all the little details. AH drew the line in a different place because they went for a broader approach of more planes that are pretty accurate, instead of fewer planes taken to a fetish level.
IL2 is somewhere in the middle.
I'd say that AH was like flying the most advance version of AW anyone ever dreamed of. IL2 and DCS are more like flying a scenario in AH with more engine managements. And I've had some long flights in a AH scenario where you didn't happen to be where the enemy tried to get through. War is Hell.
One thing to realize about DCS fidelity fetish (which can sometimes be frustrating), part of their revenue is providing low cost simulators to various militaries. Falcon 3.0 did that back in the day. They had special version they sold as low cost simulators to National Guards. So hyper fidelity is just going to be part of their brand and business model.
IL2 and AH are more like games. DCS is more like a military simulator that people are trying to play as a game, with varying levels of success.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 07, 2023, 01:18:20 AM
Guess I wasn't clear. In my opinion the flight modeling of dcs and IL2 are more realistic then AH3. I'm not talking about engine management and that kind of stuff. To me it's more like flying a real plane. (in my limited flying experience) I'm not jet pilot from pluto or a 747 pilot like Virachi. That's why I referred to AH3 that way. I'm not sayin it's Zaxxon but I guess I have to clarify every detail or somebody will end up offended. Seems to be the way of the world these days :)
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: GasTeddy on December 07, 2023, 05:19:56 AM
Good thing in IL2 is era restriction in arenas. If map is from 1942, you don't have to struggle with überkites but every kite and tank in both sides is from that year and older. One reason why I nowadays spend some time in there, as slightly fed up with überonepingers from stratosphere.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: LCADolby on December 07, 2023, 05:31:23 AM
I think the fact that this post not being locked should be a red flag to all of you in it.
The irony here is you think your vitriol has some sort of binding effect on people when all it really does is show people that if they do decide to come back (which I was/still am considering) that someone like you is waiting in the wings to make the experience miserable..
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Dadtallica on December 07, 2023, 08:51:17 AM
The irony here is you think your vitriol has some sort of binding effect on people when all it really does is show people that if they do decide to come back (which I was/still am considering) that someone like you is waiting in the wings to make the experience miserable..
I'm not sayin it's Zaxxon but I guess I have to clarify every detail or somebody will end up offended. Seems to be the way of the world these days :)
Guess I wasn't clear, if you got the impression I was offended. I was just adding in my $0.02.
I was just saying that while the DCS pony felt a bit more dynamic, I couldn't point to anything in AH FM that I would say felt wrong. If fact I was struck by how similar they felt. So if DCS is supposed to be the pinnacle of aerodynamic sophistication\fidelity, then, in that department at least, AH does pretty good in comparison. And flight fidelity is what AH cares about more than system\engine details.
Some people have said, perhaps not you, that AH is less realistic because it doesn't have all the engine management. That is not an invalid argument, but I think AH does a reasonable job. The stuff it leaves out may not be that important for a game. For DCS, if it is selling military simulators, then it is. Every switch and procedure needs to be simulated so that it is a useful trainer for their military customers. That is why they are so hyper on that stuff. I used to think I'd hate that stuff, and in a MP environment I don't necessarily want to go through a long cold-start procedure, but offline I found I do like learning every single component of the Apache and including learning the whole startup procedure.
IL2 has AH beat on graphics. DCS has IL2 beat. AH has them both beat on the sandbox MP server design. Rock, paper, scissors.
I worked a bout a year pretty intensively with the AH mission Editor and AI system. I've spent the last year working pretty intensively with the DCS mission Editor. I've played around a bit with the IL2 Mission Editor a while back. To me, one of the core differences between them is you can see that originally DCS and IL2 were designed as single-player games with a constrained coop mission capability. By that I mean they were meant to have a private server setup and some squaddies would log in and when everyone was ready you'd start a mission and it had a beginning, a middle, and a end. AH was designed fundamentally as a monolithic MP server design with open ended sandbox gameplay and has a little bit of offline capability tacked on. They approached the current situation from two different directions. It shows down in their innards, in their underlying DNA. It is difficult to do something single-player in AH (no concept of a campaign for one thing) and it has proven an effort for DCS to move toward large scale sandbox MP, but they are moving in that direction.
Jason Williams stated in an interview that he knows from his data as the producer on the IL2 GB series that the vast majority of their customers were single-player. That is what got them a huge player-base and generated the majority of their revenue. That is why he is starting with SP, but knows that adding full sandbox MP is an eventual goal, so at least this time he is going to make sure that as they proceed they keep the MP design consideration front and center even as they design the initial SP so they don't end up with the limitations they had in IL2 that player-base has been trying to work around (DCS had same problem. Players have been trying to work around the core limitation, but they do have a powerful scripting system to help).
I think they are all fine sims. They each have advantages that the others don't (not that they can't). However right now DCS has the momentum, hype, and mind-share, and revenue. Money makes the world go around. That gives them leverage to get things done and development is ongoing. Feels like AH was back in the day. IL2 and AH feels like things have stalled. Enough revenue to keep their chin above water, but not enough to continue forward movement.
Combat Pilot is the dark horse worth keeping an eye on, but years and years and years away from being a serious player.
$0.02.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Dadtallica on December 07, 2023, 09:12:56 AM
Downloading Zaxxon, Tetris, Doom, IL-2 1946, SWOTL, IAF, EF2000, Gunship, and Falcon 3 as I type this...
I still play IL2-1946 but with the BAT mod. The stock game is a little weak but the mod makes it a completely new game by adding planes, robust campaigns and added effects. No more multiplayer but it’s great to play offline. I like it mostly because of all the pacific missions.
And yet I still pay my $15 a month for AH and probably play 2-3 hours a day.
BUT… I am thinking about Zaxxon now! :banana:
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: CptTrips on December 07, 2023, 09:16:29 AM
I still play IL2-1946 but with the BAT mod. The stock game is a little weak but the mod makes it a completely new game by adding planes, robust campaigns and added effects. No more multiplayer but it’s great to play offline. I like it mostly because of all the pacific missions.
And yet I still pay my $15 a month for AH and probably play 2-3 hours a day.
BUT… I am thinking about Zaxxon now! :banana:
I was joking (about all the downloads) of course, but I also have IL-2 1946 (I use the UltraPak 3.4 "Cassie" mod, it's smaller and less comprehensive). Main issue is the lack of 128DX availability so have to make a couple adjustments just for it. There IS a relatively active multiplayer group, take a look at the "SLS IL-2 Discord server - https://discord.gg/tyDer4jF . A Pearl Harbor event is this Saturday...
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Dadtallica on December 07, 2023, 09:30:50 AM
I was joking (about all the downloads) of course, but I also have IL-2 1946 (I use the UltraPak 3.4 "Cassie" mod, it's smaller and less comprehensive). Main issue is the lack of 128DX availability so have to make a couple adjustments just for it. There IS a relatively active multiplayer group, take a look at the "SLS IL-2 Discord server - https://discord.gg/tyDer4jF . A Pearl Harbor event is this Saturday...
Hey good to know… I will stick with AH. Am I allowed to play AH if I play another online game? Rules seem unclear.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Icer on December 07, 2023, 09:34:14 AM
Downloading Zaxxon, Tetris, Doom, IL-2 1946, SWOTL, IAF, EF2000, Gunship, and Falcon 3 as I type this...
SWOTL was my fave back in the day!
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 07, 2023, 11:41:14 AM
I'm trying to use the monitor to setup the missions and stuff and then switch to VR when I fly like I did in AH. However the way it's currently setup I have the exact same image on my monitor as my VR. It has two separate images for both eyes. I can get the monitor to work if I exit the game and uncheck VR at startup.
I actually logged in to an IL2 server yesterday and found the people there very friendly and helpful but couldn't help me solve my biggest problem. Maybe somebody here can?
I was lost the whole time and unable to find a fight. I ran out of gas the first time cause I only took 30% fuel but managed to dead stick it back to the base where I watched another 190 doing donuts. After a min it straightened up and roared across the grass very near me and took to the air. The pilot made some comment about his rudder pedals.
I like how different servers have different plane sets. I'm a dingdong tough. I bought the D9 separate to play on the late war severs and the hurri2, not thinking that it wasn't a late war plane. So now I can only fly the D9 in the LW servers.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Icer on December 07, 2023, 11:52:01 AM
I'm trying to use the monitor to setup the missions and stuff and then switch to VR when I fly like I did in AH. However the way it's currently setup I have the exact same image on my monitor as my VR. It has two separate images for both eyes. I can get the monitor to work if I exit the game and uncheck VR at startup.
I actually logged in to an IL2 server yesterday and found the people there very friendly and helpful but couldn't help me solve my biggest problem. Maybe somebody here can?
I was lost the whole time and unable to find a fight. I ran out of gas the first time cause I only took 30% fuel but managed to dead stick it back to the base where I watched another 190 doing donuts. After a min it straightened up and roared across the grass very near me and took to the air. The pilot made some comment about his rudder pedals.
I like how different servers have different plane sets. I'm a dingdong tough. I bought the D9 separate to play on the late war severs and the hurri2, not thinking that it wasn't a late war plane. So now I can only fly the D9 in the LW servers.
No idea how to solve your 2D -> VR issue, not sure it can be done that way. As for the maps, on full realism it's not hard to get lost, you need to use landmarks like cities and rivers to navigate.
On the opposite front, I just DL'd AHII and installed it. First time I tried running it I get the AH splash screen for 2 seconds then CTD.. Posted on tech Support as a Google search didn't get me anywhere. Last AH update was in 2020?
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: edge12674 on December 07, 2023, 01:38:18 PM
CptTrips, good eval on AH vs. IL-2 vs. DCS. I found the same thing on the flight modelling of the Pony. Coming from AH, I was intimidated by the engine management aspect of DCS, but found it to be a minor issue and actually it increased my immersion.
AcesHigh, as well as IL-2 to a degree, is focused on a pretty sterile combat environment with some clouds thrown in. Aside from being a "cockpit sim" DCS added the realism of weather/crosswinds and ground/wake turbulence. Wake turbulence when saddling up on a bogey is a real consideration and requires you to adjust your tactics.
I never had to pay much attention to wind in AH and, as a real pilot, I always thought this broke the immersion. With DCS, I find myself paying MUCH closer attention to the windsock. Takeoff, landing, navigation, and ground attack are all affected by winds. Keeping your fighter under control in a crosswind while taking off or landing is a very real part of aviation. It is one of the aspects that separates a "sim" from a "game".
Most of us play to live out our fantasy of being a fighter pilot. Dealing with mother nature in addition to the enemy is a big part of the fighter pilot world. If AH starts getting updates again I would hope that would be one of the priorities.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 07, 2023, 02:14:06 PM
That's interesting that you mentioned the windsock. I almost had a bad ending to one of my landings as I didn't realize there was a good crosswind until I was on final and almost over the threshold.
In my experience and granted I don't have much stick time in a real plane, the flight modeling of IL2 gives me more of the feeling of flying a real plane. The best example I can give is the spin modeling of AH vs the spin modeling of IL2. It just doesn't feel like a real plane to me in AH.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Tumor on December 07, 2023, 09:10:07 PM
For sure it's different. AH is more like playing an arcade game. Fast paced etc. Il2 is more like a flight sim, flight modeling collisions etc.
So for the online stuff for me has been boring but I'm still learning too. My first 2 sorties I flew around and found nothing to fight. First one I deadsticked back to base because of a light fuel load. 2nd one I managed to land but got kicked on the runway for "inactivity" and I'll let you know how the 3rd one goes :)
Sent you a PM
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Tumor on December 07, 2023, 09:16:43 PM
Guess I wasn't clear, if you got the impression I was offended. I was just adding in my $0.02.
I was just saying that while the DCS pony felt a bit more dynamic, I couldn't point to anything in AH FM that I would say felt wrong. If fact I was struck by how similar they felt. So if
IMO the DCS Pony will fall off it's wings WAY before the AH one will. The speeds/alt may correspond, but the feel of it is something else entirely. Takeoff/landing... that too is crazy wierd (that said, I turn rudder assitance off in all cases)
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: GasTeddy on December 08, 2023, 03:21:31 AM
That's interesting that you mentioned the windsock. I almost had a bad ending to one of my landings as I didn't realize there was a good crosswind until I was on final and almost over the threshold.
Crosswind? What crosswind? I always land like this.
(https://i.ibb.co/Kwd0wvZ/Good-landing.png)
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 08, 2023, 10:45:21 AM
I'm still trying to figure out how to tell how bumpy the field is from the air. They all look pretty smooth from up there.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Drano on December 08, 2023, 01:57:13 PM
I have a Buttkicker and JetSeat on my chair. IL2 ports all the haptics to those. You feel all the bumps on the runways and the difference when you go from the pavement to the grass. Engines, flaps, gear, guns, taking damage, stalls, etc. Pretty cool. Wish AH did that. Could use it in "sound mode" but since AH's VOX is integrated there's no way to separate the voices from everything else and you get bumpity bumped every time someone speaks.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Tumor on December 08, 2023, 04:12:20 PM
I surprised it took you 5 pages of this thread before you had a little hissy fit
I bet 2 :)
1) As in back in band camp, on day one, realizing this community has factions that light their own hair on fire on a daily basis., I now avoid the bbs. In the first days, reading the attacks on Blue Baron made me sick, drove that nail home. AW players didn’t whine so much. They had personal conflicts but weren’t so much the constant crybabies, unaware of what they have.
2) If Skuzzy were here this thread would be trash canned, as common logic defense of their revenue. I get the feeling he took common sense with him. Go ahead, walk into Burger King with a McDs bag, and watch how fast you are asked to leave.
3) My point, when your creator no longer gives a crap, you should start counting your days. He’s not even trying to protect the game. And much like the attacks on BB, programmer of AW, I watched HY take then same crap on here and FB, after giving you what you have, I’d turn my back on these twits too.
4) yall complain about numbers, yet light your own hair on fire to prevent growth. I don’t listen to the whines from those who eat their own feet then complain they can’t walk. Ya just can’t fix stupid. My effort is over, because many in this community aren’t worth the fight to fix it.
IMO, the best attitudes and skills came from AW. Without it you’d already have been doomed. Yall are bringing AH to a premature death. When you drove the creator to not care, you best start worrying. I’ve seen this frog fart in the water before, I can guess whats next.
The ignorance is blinding.ya get away with posting an otherwise illegal thread, laugh and laugh, be careful what you wish for.
That said, one of the biggest problems here, Cpt.Trips, actually spelled out differences of sims, and very well worded balance.
Some of you are choking yourselves out of a sim. I have no sympathy after refusing solid advice. I lived without any game for 14 yrs, at least I got to fly it again before the players killed it with stupid. It won’t change my life. I got to experience the fun part of my life again.
Please, continue with your self inflicted wounds. Just stop crying about numbers, many are their own worst enemy.
You’re on your own. As it should be, well deserved.
That said, I’m no longer a professional gamer/player, I’m just a normal dude who just happens to live one single game. I’m not a gamer, and I prolly won’t act like one. I’m a programmer, graphics, sound, special technical hobby projects who LOVES, MP sim flying, and THIS old skewl, best proven concept. The sim is just a vehicle to practice that. I have one goal, to preserve it as long as I can. I just prefer not to row upstream with lead weight players. I’ll be like before, in RL and here, behind the curtains.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Animl-AW on December 09, 2023, 11:39:06 AM
Or he was busy sending long strings of harassing sexual predator PMs to anyone on the forum that has disagreed with him, and didn't look up to see it.
:rofl
BS, liar. Git got told to gfy, simple. Everyone who read thinks the same. You’re lying fir theatrics of s professional lying victim. Don’t act the marshmallow act. Grow up.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Dadtallica on December 09, 2023, 02:20:19 PM
This was a really good discussion amongst adults about AH and the other two games it is most closely aligned with. Well adults and one petulant child. That aside…
Several people throughout it, counting myself, detailed the differences and why AH stands out against the others plus the strengths and weaknesses of all three. AH is a unicorn amongst them, if someone leaves AH for the others then this wasn’t the model they wanted anyway or anymore.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Tumor on December 10, 2023, 02:57:01 AM
Some things never change.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Icer on December 10, 2023, 04:28:18 AM
This was a really good discussion amongst adults about AH and the other two games it is most closely aligned with. Well adults and one petulant child. That aside…
Several people throughout it, counting myself, detailed the differences and why AH stands out against the others plus the strengths and weaknesses of all three. AH is a unicorn amongst them, if someone leaves AH for the others then this wasn’t the model they wanted anyway or anymore.
And I didn't even mention Team Fusion's IL-2 Cliffs of Dover, which has a UI that makes AH look good, similar graphics, but has the best AI and realism of all the SP (and MP) sims... IMHO. VR is about to come out of beta soon, it's quite good.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 10, 2023, 10:13:18 AM
2) If Skuzzy were here this thread would be trash canned, as common logic defense of their revenue. I get the feeling he took common sense with him. Go ahead, walk into Burger King with a McDs bag, and watch how fast you are asked to leave.
Even Jason Williams who is a snowflake who locks threads if somebody says something he thinks is (offensive) like "Bodenplatte is not a location" on a thread, allowed discussion of DCS and other sims on the IL2 forums without locking them.
You act like my goal was to drive people out of AH while I'm trying to help people who are looking to return via PMs.
In my opinion it's attitudes like yours IN the game and online that are much more likely to drive people away then what I posted. Do you think the way you play the game and the things you say are going to attract new players? lolz
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Icer on December 10, 2023, 10:18:21 AM
Even Jason Williams who is a snowflake who locks threads if somebody says something he thinks is (offensive) like "Bodenplatte is not a location" on a thread, allowed discussion of DCS and other sims on the IL2 forums without locking them.
You act like my goal was to drive people out of AH while I'm trying to help people who are looking to return via PMs.
In my opinion it's attitudes like yours IN the game and online that are much more likely to drive people away then what I posted. Do you think the way you play the game and the things you say are going to attract new players? lolz
I'm only a clik away from subscribing again, but the one thing I need is to be part of a [mature] squadron\group located in my part of the world. Don't want to be the baby seal that gets clubbed over and over while trying to re-acclimate myself..
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 10, 2023, 10:36:56 AM
I'm only a clik away from subscribing again, but the one thing I need is to be part of a [mature] squadron\group located in my part of the world. Don't want to be the baby seal that gets clubbed over and over while trying to re-acclimate myself..
I wish you the best of luck with that! It seems the most "successful" squads these days tend to fly fast planes with numbers and alt advantage and tend to only engage when they have superior numbers AND alt. To me flying with a squad that operates like that would be boring.
For me it was more fun to fly around somebody like TheStig, Flipz, J0ker, Techwrek, Horrido, or any of the other decent sticks that weren't pickers or gangbangers. They usually get into fun fights and you have a chance that they might clear your tail if you get jammed up.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Icer on December 10, 2023, 10:40:40 AM
I wish you the best of luck with that! It seems the most "successful" squads these days tend to fly fast planes with numbers and alt advantage and tend to only engage when they have superior numbers AND alt. To me flying with a squad that operates like that would be boring.
For me it was more fun to fly around somebody like TheStig, Flipz, J0ker, Techwrek, Horrido, or any of the other decent sticks that weren't pickers or gangbangers. They usually get into fun fights and you have a chance that they might clear your tail if you get jammed up.
I was hoping there would be groups that fly together with actual missions in mind, using squad tactics, etc. If that no longer exists then this is not for me.. If I just wanted to fly around in a constant dogfight I can do it for free..
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 10, 2023, 10:45:47 AM
Ah. I'm sure there are a couple squads that still do that, however since that wasn't my cup of tea I would not be able to offer any good recommendations other then the two squad that I have seen doing stuff like that and that would be J0ker's squad and DallasH's squad. Think they're both mostly on morning ET which I'm guessing would be afternoon in Spain.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Icer on December 10, 2023, 10:47:00 AM
Ah. I'm sure there are a couple squads that still do that, however since that wasn't my cup of tea I would not be able to offer any good recommendations other then the two squad that I have seen doing stuff like that and that would be J0ker's squad and DallasH's squad. Think they're both mostly on morning ET which I'm guessing would be afternoon in Spain.
Yes, I am +6 to US EST..
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Eagler on December 10, 2023, 10:48:08 AM
Il2 has a tank version call tank crew I think
The videos on yt about it look cool but maybe its yt compression but I can't see jack of the tanks they see and shoot at
My old eyes appreciate the easy mode clarity AH icons add to the playability of the game - the icons are not near as clear in dcs or il2 for me
Eagler
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Icer on December 10, 2023, 10:53:21 AM
Il2 has a tank version call tank crew I think The videos on yt about it look cool but maybe its yt compression but I can't see jack of the tanks they see and shoot at My old eyes appreciate the easy mode clarity AH icons add to the playability of the game - the icons are not near as clear in dcs or il2 for me Eagler
I'm with you, I tried TC on/off but even when I got the drop on someone it was 50/50 at best, and normally I never saw who killed me. As for the labels, I can see those ok, without them the planes tend to disappear at high resolution.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: The Fugitive on December 10, 2023, 11:02:37 AM
I was hoping there would be groups that fly together with actual missions in mind, using squad tactics, etc. If that no longer exists then this is not for me.. If I just wanted to fly around in a constant dogfight I can do it for free..
Unfortunately there are not too many squads like that left. My squad, "The Sik Puppies" does fly that way. Missions for capture, resupply runs to get depots or towns back up, GV group that is very good at defending a base as well as strat runners to slow the other teams down. We have people on all the time but the biggest numbers are Easter US prime time.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Dadtallica on December 10, 2023, 11:24:42 AM
Even Jason Williams who is a snowflake who locks threads if somebody says something he thinks is (offensive) like "Bodenplatte is not a location" on a thread, allowed discussion of DCS and other sims on the IL2 forums without locking them.
You act like my goal was to drive people out of AH while I'm trying to help people who are looking to return via PMs.
In my opinion it's attitudes like yours IN the game and online that are much more likely to drive people away then what I posted. Do you think the way you play the game and the things you say are going to attract new players? lolz
The IL2 forum has a sub for specifically other games discussion. Don’t pay any attention to Animl he’s not a serious human.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 10, 2023, 12:25:29 PM
The IL2 forum has a sub for specifically other games discussion. Don’t pay any attention to Animl he’s not a serious human.
Right. I'm talking about posts there that were not posted in the "other games" forum that discussed DCS. I'm just saying that it seems that he has the impression that banning chat about certain things will make those things go away.
I think he would make a great mod as those guys seem to mute the people who they don't agree with and let the ones talk who they do agree with when there is a discussion on 200. :)
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: GasTeddy on December 10, 2023, 12:29:06 PM
The videos on yt about it look cool but maybe its yt compression but I can't see jack of the tanks they see and shoot at
My old eyes appreciate the easy mode clarity AH icons add to the playability of the game - the icons are not near as clear in dcs or il2 for me
Eagler
Yes, I have it. Those tanks can be used in every tank-abled arena matching the year/era. Like, if map is 1942, PzKw VI Tiger is available, but PzKw V Panther not, as it had baptize of fire at 1943, in Battle of Kursk.
Some arenas have icons, some not. Also map practice varies. In some you see your own and friend/foe locations, while others show just your spot on it and then those, where one has to orientate solely with landmarks and compass. The latter ones are full realism, where pilot have to control radiators, mixture, charger etc. in kites.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 10, 2023, 12:44:33 PM
I haven't figured out all the engine controls yet but I've been doing ok by not running wide open the whole time. I made that mistake when I first started and the spinny kept stopping.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Icer on December 10, 2023, 01:00:43 PM
I haven't figured out all the engine controls yet but I've been doing ok by not running wide open the whole time. I made that mistake when I first started and the spinny kept stopping.
Just go by the info on the custom cockpit photos and you won't have any issues..
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: edge12674 on December 10, 2023, 02:16:16 PM
My old eyes appreciate the easy mode clarity AH icons add to the playability of the game - the icons are not near as clear in dcs or il2 for me
Eagler
Have you tried DCS recently? This past month an update has revised the distance viewing, making spotting much easier for some. I found it a big improvement in VR.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 12, 2023, 02:01:06 PM
For me it was more fun to fly around somebody like TheStig, Flipz, J0ker, Techwrek, Horrido, or any of the other decent sticks that weren't pickers or gangbangers. They usually get into fun fights and you have a chance that they might clear your tail if you get jammed up.
OMG. I just realized I made a horrible mistake! I meant to say Trogdor but I put Flipz. Sorry Trogdor.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Brooke on December 13, 2023, 04:09:07 AM
And I've had some long flights in a AH scenario where you didn't happen to be where the enemy tried to get through.
Scenarios these days tend to have lots more combat for everyone from early on to the end. Battle areas are much smaller. Most scenarios, 1st combat is about 15 minutes in. For high-alt strategic bombing, probably within about 30. Each frame has 3-6 missions, and 3 or more lives.
Our next scenario is in March, running during the Masters of the Air TV series, and themed on Masters of the Air (8th AF strategic bombing).
I hope that you can join us. :aok
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Animl-AW on December 13, 2023, 09:58:52 PM
Have you tried DCS recently? This past month an update has revised the distance viewing, making spotting much easier for some. I found it a big improvement in VR.
You lost 2k steam players, lemon used car salesman. You're like a pane of glass. You glow in the dark. Go back to DCS then.
Note, all friends of Cpt.Trips and we all know what his only mission is here. There's a center point to all this recent nonsense.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Animl-AW on December 13, 2023, 10:10:48 PM
Even Jason Williams who is a snowflake who locks threads if somebody says something he thinks is (offensive) like "Bodenplatte is not a location" on a thread, allowed discussion of DCS and other sims on the IL2 forums without locking them.
You act like my goal was to drive people out of AH while I'm trying to help people who are looking to return via PMs.
In my opinion it's attitudes like yours IN the game and online that are much more likely to drive people away then what I posted. Do you think the way you play the game and the things you say are going to attract new players? lolz
Go ahead, talk about AH in DCS, you don't even have to say anything, just Post Aces High III, they will be all over you like flies on crap. I wonder why that is. NO SIM ALLOWS this. I don't think this is an accidental post that belongs on IL-2. Not buying it.
You and your buds def won't draw new players, but then,... lets think about that and this post.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: CptTrips on December 13, 2023, 10:12:08 PM
Scenarios these days tend to have lots more combat for everyone from early on to the end. Battle areas are much smaller. Most scenarios, 1st combat is about 15 minutes in. For high-alt strategic bombing, probably within about 30. Each frame has 3-6 missions, and 3 or more lives.
Our next scenario is in March, running during the Masters of the Air TV series, and themed on Masters of the Air (8th AF strategic bombing).
I hope that you can join us. :aok
I'm so IN on this. Hazmatt is helping me spec a rig and everything...can't wait. One of the best things about a scenario is the banter on the radio while heading to target or whatever. I wish I'd saved films with Damned <CAP> and Damned <SPEC> spouting off while flying in a tattered formation of Corsairs in a long forgotten PAC scenario back in the day. My girlfriend getting annoyed in the background, getting annoyed at my laughter disrupting Friends or Seinfeld at the time. "Dork nerd laughing at dork nerd stuff, knock it off!" Good times....
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Brooke on December 13, 2023, 11:14:29 PM
I'm so IN on this. Hazmatt is helping me spec a rig and everything...can't wait. One of the best things about a scenario is the banter on the radio while heading to target or whatever. I wish I'd saved films with Damned <CAP> and Damned <SPEC> spouting off while flying in a tattered formation of Corsairs in a long forgotten PAC scenario back in the day. My girlfriend getting annoyed in the background, getting annoyed at my laughter disrupting Friends or Seinfeld at the time. "Dork nerd laughing at dork nerd stuff, knock it off!" Good times....
Heh! I remember someone, can't remember which player, talking about some AH lingo sneaking in. He happened to use the word "mark" for some reason. His girlfriend smirked at him and pushed him in the shoulder, saying "maaaaaaaaark?"
Now my wife and I say that to each other from time to time. "Maaaaaaark." Or "Roger that!" She asks me for each scenario, "Are you one of our boys?"
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 14, 2023, 01:35:46 AM
You and your buds def won't draw new players, but then,... lets think about that and this post.
I'm confused. What does you're comment mean? I asked advice on and bought a game that I like and play offline. Who won't draw new players where to what?
I think it's pretty clear what my problem is with AH. If they fired the current mods I'd come back tomorrow. That's not going to happen. I have never harassed or badgered or hunted anybody. I've gotten muted for stuff like: "Non-game discussion" on 200 while others carry on their "non-game discussion" without being muted.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: GasTeddy on December 14, 2023, 02:19:24 AM
I thought IL-2 has more young players, but actually most of them are middle aged and older. And discussion in game surprisingly civilized. Kids seem to be hanging in more arcade ones like WT and Enlisted.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: LCADolby on December 14, 2023, 11:55:40 AM
I thought IL-2 has more young players, but actually most of them are middle aged and older. And discussion in game surprisingly civilized. Kids seem to be hanging in more arcade ones like WT and Enlisted.
It's certainly a different environment. Wings of Liberty is a favorite Server of mine, people seem to just get on with the flying and fighting. I am yet to see any of the typical 200 politics while tooling around in my favorite crap box in the sky, the Hs129.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Icer on December 14, 2023, 11:57:59 AM
It's certainly a different environment. Wings of Liberty is a favorite Server of mine, people seem to just get on with the flying and fighting. I am yet to see any of the typical 200 politics while tooling around in my favorite crap box in the sky, the Hs129.
You will be hard pressed to ever find childish BS on IL-2 servers, WWI or WWII. :devil
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Nefarious on December 14, 2023, 12:02:13 PM
I like the IL2 BoX series. Great investment when on seasonal sales.
Just wish I had the time to play it.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 14, 2023, 12:02:39 PM
It's certainly a different environment. Wings of Liberty is a favorite Server of mine, people seem to just get on with the flying and fighting. I am yet to see any of the typical 200 politics while tooling around in my favorite crap box in the sky, the Hs129.
Have you ever landed that thing? I've had escort missions for the Hs129 and have never been successful with getting them all back to base in one piece. It doesn't help that the damaged once break off and head back to base alone...
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: LCADolby on December 14, 2023, 12:10:42 PM
Have you ever landed that thing? I've had escort missions for the Hs129 and have never been successful with getting them all back to base in one piece. It doesn't help that the damaged once break off and head back to base alone...
I lost an engine and got it clipped from 4 years ago, with my long suffering wingman (Mac) alongside in a Stuka. That's about the only one I think I've not been forced into hitting the silk.. or countryside. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/441487521
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 14, 2023, 12:42:07 PM
Wow. you should have received a medal for that one!
Glad that 109 with the wheels down flew back with you :)
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 16, 2023, 05:00:22 PM
Got my first kills today on a live server! Two in one flight. Our base was under attack by a swarm of Allies. My poor countrymen were getting vulched. I grabbed a d9 with 20% fuel and managed to shoot down a tempest and a spit, (not sure of the model) before I bravely ran back to my base! I busted the plane up on landing coming in to fast cause I was keeping an eye on those vultures.
It wasn't an accomplishment like landing an Hs129 but it was fun! :)
I think the server was one of the ones run by the IL2 devs. It had icons and people in tanks and all that. I saw something about gvs capturing a base or something. Haven't figured out how that works yet.
I gotta stick with the German planes with the auto engine controls or I burn up the engines. I barely got the LA5 off the runway before I burned it up and the Stuka lost power and crashed into a tree and kilt me. Somebody said the LA5FN has engine controls but not the one that I have.
Have a lot to learn about this game for sure. I thought I only had to do mixture, throttle and rpm. Didn't realize I also had to do oil and water coolers and prop pitch on some planes. It's made me realize that the performance isn't always the only determining factor of a plane winning a fight. Some of those planes have a lot going on.
Reminds me of Robin Olds getting a kill with a deadstick 38 because he forgot to turn the valve from the drop tanks to the mains!
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: edge12674 on December 16, 2023, 06:46:57 PM
Makes you really appreciate the skills of a fighter pilot when you start to deal with ALL the aspects of combat, aircraft operation, and weather that they did. There are steep learning curves, but the sense of satisfaction is equally great....hang in there!
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Animl-AW on December 16, 2023, 07:40:59 PM
Every game on steam has charts. Last I looked in a very quick valley, they had something like 3300, and almost instant slam of down to like 1200-1300. I'm not reciting exact numbers, because I'm not taking time to look it up again. That's 2k. I got exhausted reading their bugs on a beta update. Maybe a cute game, but it's crawling with easy found bugs, swiss cheese programming. IMO.
People think I'm just saying because Ah is my only game,.. just stating what I saw. Point being, our numbers are creaping up in the MA, while the other 3 sims are dropping. And if I found the best center point to explain why all 3,.. it's their pricing methods are the most common complaints I saw. They are not happy with the chosen direction.
And yes, this post is bad business. and everyone like it, whether the community accepts it or not. A new player comes in to the bbs to check it out, and with this on top,.. "well hell, if these guys are playing this other game I might as well take the short path and go try that too. It's the most common sense in the world of biz, no mater the biz. The community acceptance of this is why I say, they are sinking themselves.
Once it's acceptable, there's nothing that will save this in any great degree. It shows new players "ya we threw i the towel on this,.. go try that..." I find it very hard I would even need to explain this. Walk into McDs with a Burger King bag and watch how fast they ask you to leave. it's not me,.. in biz in general.
Personally, I may make a vid or two,.. but I won't waste my time battling stuff like this with doing anything else.,... it's biz suicide. All I can say now is,.. there's the cliff,... jump. I had high hopes I might be able to make some difference with my experience with Kesmai/AW and some with AH,... that's gone. Best I can do is play when I can and wish you all well. Quite frankly, if I owned the game and some who worked for me allowed this, I'd fire them instantly.<shrug> to each their own, what ever blows your skirt up,... my efforts are pretty much over. Please continue,... the path is shorter.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 16, 2023, 08:20:16 PM
Wow, that was very well said and civil.
Guess I'll just PM people then instead of posting here as I don't want anybody to think that I'm selling some other game. I was just sharing my experiences as I know there many here that play IL2.
I for one am done paying close to $200 a year until something changes with the mods. Something fishy is going on if I and others are getting muted but HT can't find any record of it.
I'll stop posting anything about IL2 or any other sim in the public forums and just use PMs. I'm sure that won't make you happy but it's the best I can do :)
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Animl-AW on December 16, 2023, 08:53:04 PM
Guess I'll just PM people then instead of posting here as I don't want anybody to think that I'm selling some other game. I was just sharing my experiences as I know there many here that play IL2.
I for one am done paying close to $200 a year until something changes with the mods. Something fishy is going on if I and others are getting muted but HT can't find any record of it.
I'll stop posting anything about IL2 or any other sim in the public forums and just use PMs. I'm sure that won't make you happy but it's the best I can do :)
Brother, ya just happened in right after 3-5 disgruntled former players, with some form of childish vendetta against HT to push the limits with this type stuff, with full intentions. I didn’t tie you to that group. Its just it fell inline with the haters and doomsayers.
In short, some of the things, I’ve done or do, can get into 100s of hours. I just won’t go to that extreme with this being allowed. When it comes down to it, if its permitted it will be done. And that's really where the problem starts. I’ve become very disappointed with the apathy by some key people. I can’t work with that. I won’t work with that.
No hard feelings bro.
Would you even know the mod to know if they're gone? My advice, let it go. Do what makes life fun. Don’t worry about the rest, small beans.
Saddle up, I’d be glad to see you shot me down.
But its not this one post. Go fly.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: GasTeddy on December 17, 2023, 12:51:07 AM
It's certainly a different environment. Wings of Liberty is a favorite Server of mine, people seem to just get on with the flying and fighting. I am yet to see any of the typical 200 politics while tooling around in my favorite crap box in the sky, the Hs129.
Went there, first time, and asked a question concerning the rules of that particular server. They say in a very beginning, it's strictly forbidden to attack allied planes and ground units, so I asked who am I then going to attack, when flying Axis. Instead of straight answer, got first several really rude insults. Promised them to stay away.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: LCADolby on December 17, 2023, 02:02:26 AM
Went there, first time, and asked a question concerning the rules of that particular server. They say in a very beginning, it's strictly forbidden to attack allied planes and ground units, so I asked who am I then going to attack, when flying Axis. Instead of straight answer, got first several really rude insults. Promised them to stay away.
I can see where the wording gets confusing;
That's the only rule; no turning on your allies and the people flying or tanking on your allied side. Shoot your enemy; if you are axis don't shoot axis, you're allied, they are your allies. They will and did crucify you for not understanding you don't shoot people allied to you. There's a good chance they thought you were being facetious. :old:
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: GasTeddy on December 17, 2023, 02:49:18 AM
Language in some servers there is really confusing, like "I am engine cannot keep up" and some similar things. I would have expressed that rule with bit different wording. Anyway, I told if this is the way they welcome newcomers in their arena, it clearly shows it's not my place.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Icer on December 17, 2023, 03:43:59 AM
Language in some servers there is really confusing, like "I am engine cannot keep up" and some similar things. I would have expressed that rule with bit different wording. Anyway, I told if this is the way they welcome newcomers in their arena, it clearly shows it's not my place.
A lot of these servers are run by non-english speaking (natively) people, and inhabited by the same. Sometimes it can be rough to get the true meaning of what is written or being said. The "don't shoot allies" rule is pretty clear, and team-killing is greatly frowned upon. If you said you were new and people were rude, then shame on those people either way. Unlike here, where (IIRC) your bullets striking a friendly do damage to your own plane (still like that?), killing a friendly is easily accomplished, especially on full realism servers without labels. On those servers you need to learn plane shapes/profiles/markings and have a solid ID before pulling the trigger. I can see where, coming from here where your side can fly ANY plane from any country and there are neon billboards above them, you don't think in "Axis vs Allies" mode.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: GasTeddy on December 17, 2023, 05:30:39 AM
A lot of these servers are run by non-english speaking (natively) people, and inhabited by the same. Sometimes it can be rough to get the true meaning of what is written or being said. The "don't shoot allies" rule is pretty clear, and team-killing is greatly frowned upon. If you said you were new and people were rude, then shame on those people either way. Unlike here, where (IIRC) your bullets striking a friendly do damage to your own plane (still like that?), killing a friendly is easily accomplished, especially on full realism servers without labels. On those servers you need to learn plane shapes/profiles/markings and have a solid ID before pulling the trigger. I can see where, coming from here where your side can fly ANY plane from any country and there are neon billboards above them, you don't think in "Axis vs Allies" mode.
I have noticed there some language-related confusions. Servers I so far have been they've been just laughed out and corrected. IMO as a non-native, there is a difference between "it's forbidden to shoot allies" vs. "it's forbidden to shoot allied". Anyway, no big deal but showed some non-desirable characters.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: waystin2 on December 18, 2023, 10:39:59 AM
ARMA 3 is great. Land, Air and Sea. It's got all of it and more bad guys than you can shake a stick at. :aok
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Icer on December 18, 2023, 11:08:30 AM
S bah. A I was gonna post about some stuff here but I said I wouldn't. L I just deleted what I was gonna post lol. E
I was going to reply to that post, but as my post became unneeded, I sold it on the market place.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on December 22, 2023, 12:35:37 PM
I put a coded message in my post. Guess you lost your secret decoder ring. Better go by another box of Capn Crunch.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: GasTeddy on December 22, 2023, 03:20:28 PM
Is it because of your coded message or what, but the sales are on again. Same prices as in earlier one.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: yipi on December 22, 2023, 06:11:32 PM
Ii have been playing around with the Tank Crew sim. It's fun and guest at my house like to just sit in the tanks and shoot. Recommend it for 22 dollars
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: GasTeddy on January 09, 2024, 05:18:55 PM
Went there, first time, and asked a question concerning the rules of that particular server. They say in a very beginning, it's strictly forbidden to attack allied planes and ground units, so I asked who am I then going to attack, when flying Axis. Instead of straight answer, got first several really rude insults. Promised them to stay away.
I decided to give Wings of Liberty server second chance. Logged in, took Bf109G4 and took off to direction of frontline. After a while, someone called all to come strafing as enemy was retreating. As he didn't mention the location, I asked it, in country ch. Got two sardonic replies in Slavic languages (I speak Bulgarian enough to understand) and after it, silence.
Full of morons, that server, IMHO. Newcomers clearly not welcome. On the other hand, at Advance And Secure Planes And Tanks I have found really nice small community. EU Official 1CGS Server Planes and Tanks is also ok and good for beginners, as it has icons and external views.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Animl-AW on January 10, 2024, 11:05:00 AM
I decided to give Wings of Liberty server second chance. Logged in, took Bf109G4 and took off to direction of frontline. After a while, someone called all to come strafing as enemy was retreating. As he didn't mention the location, I asked it, in country ch. Got two sardonic replies in Slavic languages (I speak Bulgarian enough to understand) and after it, silence.
Full of morons, that server, IMHO. Newcomers clearly not welcome. On the other hand, at Advance And Secure Planes And Tanks I have found really nice small community. EU Official 1CGS Server Planes and Tanks is also ok and good for beginners, as it has icons and external views.
Partially why I was never a fan of PvP type servers concept. Questionable on many levels, and restrictive to numbers, separates the numbers, many times unleashed bad behavior. And like I mention before, without AH around to feed that epic MP fix, those games would become more noticeable of lacking, when thats one’s only choice. AH actually helps these games with many.
Those - eye candy with staged missions/AI, splintered population. Questionable FM This - authentic MP, 100% human interaction with full population. More realistic FM than most.
Those sims would be outstanding had they taken on MP arena style, like real scenarios/events.
I think many would become disenchanted if they could not get the MP adrenalin fix.
I think PvP has been a long standing pitfall, its a bandaid IMO.. Kelton at Kesmai (AW) got it right, big maps and MP. AH is AW, it’s a clone on steroids.
Its all personal preference. Whatva blows your skirt up. I’m not fond of PvP, if that’s what its called today. <shrug>
-the village idiot
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: LCADolby on January 10, 2024, 02:19:51 PM
I decided to give Wings of Liberty server second chance. Logged in, took Bf109G4 and took off to direction of frontline. After a while, someone called all to come strafing as enemy was retreating. As he didn't mention the location, I asked it, in country ch. Got two sardonic replies in Slavic languages (I speak Bulgarian enough to understand) and after it, silence.
Full of morons, that server, IMHO. Newcomers clearly not welcome. On the other hand, at Advance And Secure Planes And Tanks I have found really nice small community. EU Official 1CGS Server Planes and Tanks is also ok and good for beginners, as it has icons and external views.
I thought I saw "GasTeddy has exited" when I was in WoL, may have even mentioned it on Stream. Solution would be to fly axis, I've never seen axis roundhouse kick a help locational question.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: GasTeddy on January 10, 2024, 03:10:08 PM
I thought I saw "GasTeddy has exited" when I was in WoL, may have even mentioned it on Stream. Solution would be to fly axis, I've never seen axis roundhouse kick a help locational question.
I flew Messerschmitt Bf109G4, so I was Axis. In IL-2 one cannot fly Axis planes on Allied side or vice versa. I asked in Axis ch and those who replied, were naturally on a same ch, Axis.
On my first visit there I made a question about rules in general ch and was scorned by both sides. So, I'm done with that server but thankfully there are others.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Animl-AW on January 11, 2024, 09:29:23 AM
This never had any place here.
Disrespect all of us. Just keep it on top. We all can accurately predict who that will be.
I mean, why talk about IL-2 on IL-2 forum, where way more info exists?
A Anti-AH Dolby wet dream. Cause as much harm as possible, however ridiculous.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: waystin2 on January 11, 2024, 09:38:30 AM
He's right. IL2 sucks. Try ARMA 3! :aok
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: GasTeddy on January 11, 2024, 10:28:38 AM
Disrespect all of us. Just keep it on top. We all can accurately predict who that will be.
I mean, why talk about IL-2 on IL-2 forum, where way more info exists?
A Anti-AH Dolby wet dream. Cause as much harm as possible, however ridiculous.
I'm not Anti-AH, I wouldn't be sat checking the BBS checking for a certain person being re-banned pretty much everyday if I was. You're so insecure about AH, which without you stands up on it's own merit. However with you, it falls over flat on it's face because you're an utter insufferable twit.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: waystin2 on January 11, 2024, 12:11:13 PM
Looks like you have lost the whole idea about this topic. From the beginning. Sorry to say, as I have nothing against you in personal level.
I may try ARMA, but IL-2 as a sim does not suck. Just some guys in certain server do. Like in every combat sim and public internet platform.
P.S. Took a look at ARMAs own website. Imaginary choppers, jets, tanks etc..? Looks pretty gameish in that. :confused:
You only seen a slice Teddy. It is the closest thing to Aces High in the gaming world at this time. I tried just about every multiplayer online game you can think of when the Pigs On The Wing were realizing there was not enough targets to keep us active in Aces High. You capture and defend in a variety of setups-some future, some modern, some Vietnam and World War 2. We are currently running a 1940's campaign Japan Vs. China. It's got biplanes with cute little bombs! And the tanks are crazy fun. I'll rephrase my statement on IL-2. IL-2 does not meet our squad requirement for enough bad guys to shoot at.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: GasTeddy on January 11, 2024, 04:42:27 PM
You only seen a slice Teddy. It is the closest thing to Aces High in the gaming world at this time. I tried just about every multiplayer online game you can think of when the Pigs On The Wing were realizing there was not enough targets to keep us active in Aces High. You capture and defend in a variety of setups-some future, some modern, some Vietnam and World War 2. We are currently running a 1940's campaign Japan Vs. China. It's got biplanes with cute little bombs! And the tanks are crazy fun. I'll rephrase my statement on IL-2. IL-2 does not meet our squad requirement for enough bad guys to shoot at.
Maybe. For squadron, I believe IL-2 might not be ideal. I'm more lone wolf style, but co-operate with pleasure, if needed. And I do not fly so much in IL-2 but tank. I find it really interesting and even exciting. As a MadCatMan, of course prefer Tiger and Panther
These threads disrespects every single person who does things to improve and sustain AH. It’s a wad of spit in their face.
Says the self-proclaimed village idiot… and/or drunk… both probably; whomever you chose to be today?
This was a very lengthy and adult discussion that detailed the strengths and weaknesses of the predominant combat flight sims of the day. At almost every turn AH came out on top and unique for what is important to this community. We’re sorry your Neanderthal brain cannot comprehend two competing thoughts at once. The IL2 career modes are lots of fun for both the current version and 1946, still none of them capture what AH has. Here we celebrated that gem while you once again pissed on progress. [cue the “whoa is me” posts]
We are all on an island, might as well commingle. Yes of course there will be dissenters, welcome to humans 101. You’ll get there someday. For any newcomers this thread now serves as a list of reasons into why the AH galaxy is a diamond in the rough and another definitive record as to why you’re just a grain of sand. You’re welcome to sail the F off. :salute
The other sims do not even have four engine bombers and we have been cavalierly sailing around in them at will for two plus decades. The IL2 community would give away actual first born offspring for an hour long virtual ride in a B29; now tell them you can drop 40 bombs. Thats just one unicorn AH has among several others. Grow up maybe just a tad or don’t but in the future Donnie, stay in your lane.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Eagler on January 12, 2024, 07:53:36 AM
It's still in the wrong thread imo
Eagler
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: waystin2 on January 12, 2024, 08:05:30 AM
Maybe. For squadron, I believe IL-2 might not be ideal. I'm more lone wolf style, but co-operate with pleasure, if needed. And I do not fly so much in IL-2 but tank. I find it really interesting and even exciting. As a MadCatMan, of course prefer Tiger and Panther
Yes I pointed that on page one, wrong place but good chat.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Krupinski on January 12, 2024, 12:24:45 PM
Combat Box is a good popular server in IL2, they run a dynamic campaign that's as close as you're gonna get to AH style. Many ppl fly in squads there too if that's what you're looking for. But the game overall is a bit slow lately while everyone waits for them to announce what the next content/theatre is.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: waystin2 on January 12, 2024, 12:27:58 PM
Combat Box is a good popular server in IL2, they run a dynamic campaign that's as close as you're gonna get to AH style. Many ppl fly in squads there too if that's what you're looking for. But the game overall is a bit slow lately while everyone waits for them to announce what the next content/theatre is.
What's up Krup!
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: CptTrips on January 12, 2024, 12:31:24 PM
Combat Box is a good popular server in IL2, they run a dynamic campaign that's as close as you're gonna get to AH style. Many ppl fly in squads there too if that's what you're looking for. But the game overall is a bit slow lately while everyone waits for them to announce what the next content/theatre is.
It's going to be Korea I saw today.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Krupinski on January 12, 2024, 12:38:42 PM
I know Enigma and game with him sometimes, I can speak for him when I say we just want anything new and exciting, doesn't really matter what it is xD
BUT I know the IL2 player base would much rather have more WW2 content, perhaps Korea can be a springboard for Pacific content in the future. A little competition with Combat Pilot can develop a good product on both sides.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: edge12674 on January 12, 2024, 01:35:49 PM
Hey gang, here is an attempt to move this discussion over to a more appropriate forum.
I find this discussion very interesting and would like it to continue.
It will continue. Really seems fine where it is at. If folks can drop cheat accusations, talk crap to other players, complain about something in game, etc. here in the general forum then discussing something like this seems ok and tame in comparison. :aok
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Oldman731 on January 12, 2024, 06:30:40 PM
Combat Box is a good popular server in IL2, they run a dynamic campaign that's as close as you're gonna get to AH style. Many ppl fly in squads there too if that's what you're looking for. But the game overall is a bit slow lately while everyone waits for them to announce what the next content/theatre is.
Good lord, it's Krupinski! Dude!
- oldman
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: waystin2 on April 22, 2024, 08:41:14 AM
Arma 3 is on sale. 75% off. :aok
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Animl-AW on April 22, 2024, 08:57:06 AM
You are truly an idiot POS
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: waystin2 on April 22, 2024, 11:23:55 AM
You should have a good day! :aok
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: hazmatt on April 22, 2024, 11:33:57 AM
Thanks for the heads up. Looks like you can't beat that price! I haven't played it but I'll probably pick it up for that price.
Sale is showing only 29 hours left so might want to move fast on this one.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: waystin2 on April 22, 2024, 11:34:52 AM
I hadn't played Arma 3 in years. It was ahead of it's time. They were smart to open so much of it up to mod'ing. Amazing what they have been able to do with it over the years to keep it fresh. Good bones to build off of.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Animl-AW on April 22, 2024, 02:57:09 PM
I hadn't played Arma 3 in years. It was ahead of it's time. They were smart to open so much of it up to mod'ing. Amazing what they have been able to do with it over the years to keep it fresh. Good bones to build off of.
Ahhh the “wisdom” of the Headless Horsemen.
These guys already had this exact convo in the O’Club DCS Infomercial sandbox. So now they’re doing it to strictly cause childish drama in a select dead horse thread for bigger impact.
These are your buddies huh?
Real shame about DCS, I sure hope they get their financial ducks in a row.
Karma is unfortunate.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: CptTrips on April 22, 2024, 03:01:28 PM
Sig line.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: Krupinski on April 22, 2024, 05:38:03 PM
These guys already had this exact convo in the O’Club DCS Infomercial sandbox. So now they’re doing it to strictly cause childish drama in a select dead horse thread for bigger impact.
These are your buddies huh?
Real shame about DCS, I sure hope they get their financial ducks in a row.
Karma is unfortunate.
I'm not sure whey you keep repeating this - you started saying this directly after I posted about Eagle Dynamics not having paid Razbam for 9 months, and latched on to this like it's your guiding star in sim world or something.
For the second time now, the only information the public has is that Razbam and DCS are in a squabble/discussion over who owes who for what. ED maintains that due to Razbam making $ off using Eagly Dynamics IP to build a South American air force a simulator for their pilots, it's Razbam that owes ED $, which is why they haven't transferred the typically regular payments to them for the last 9 months.
No other team has made complaints about payments from ED for their work, and there are 15+ teams woking for ED besides their own coders. For all you know ED/DCS has cash pouring in, more than sufficient to keep the company both solvent and growing. No players here are trying to entice AH players to "move" to DCS in order to "save DCS". The entire player base here wouldn't have much if any impact on DCS's current business model and customer base, so thinking that some AH player is somehow harming AH by syphoning off AH players to DCS is ridiculous.
Regarding IL2 - watching Krupinski's YT channel videos in IL2 give a great idea what the multiplayer is like, same with DCS, and obviously here at AH.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: RichardDarkwood on April 22, 2024, 06:23:06 PM
I'm not sure whey you keep repeating this - you started saying this directly after I posted about Eagle Dynamics not having paid Razbam for 9 months, and latched on to this like it's your guiding star in sim world or something.
For the second time now, the only information the public has is that Razbam and DCS are in a squabble/discussion over who owes who for what. ED maintains that due to Razbam making $ off using Eagly Dynamics IP to build a South American air force a simulator for their pilots, it's Razbam that owes ED $, which is why they haven't transferred the typically regular payments to them for the last 9 months.
No other team has made complaints about payments from ED for their work, and there are 15+ teams woking for ED besides their own coders. For all you know ED/DCS has cash pouring in, more than sufficient to keep the company both solvent and growing. No players here are trying to entice AH players to "move" to DCS in order to "save DCS". The entire player base here wouldn't have much if any impact on DCS's current business model and customer base, so thinking that some AH player is somehow harming AH by syphoning off AH players to DCS is ridiculous.
Regarding IL2 - watching Krupinski's YT channel videos in IL2 give a great idea what the multiplayer is like, same with DCS, and obviously here at AH.
Uhhh ohhh, now you’ve done it.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: LCADolby on May 15, 2024, 04:27:35 PM
I used to run a "Liberation" Campaign with all the WWII mods back when it was ArmaII. It was fun as hell with or without other (human) players. Don't know if they have anything like it now but with that new WWII DLC, I bet it's soon to come if not there already.
Title: Re: IL2 sale any good? Dunno what the "normal" prices are
Post by: waystin2 on May 20, 2024, 09:52:15 AM
I used to run a "Liberation" Campaign with all the WWII mods back when it was ArmaII. It was fun as hell with or without other (human) players. Don't know if they have anything like it now but with that new WWII DLC, I bet it's soon to come if not there already.
It is fun! We are neck deep in Vietnam War right now on the Pig server. :aok