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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: dolomite on January 10, 2000, 10:15:00 AM
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Spent the bulk of the weekend flying the new c205... it is a real killer!
With a light gun load, it will easily keep pace with a Spit in turns long enough to kill it. The downside is the guns are useless against bombers.
With cannons it isn't much worse, and it can kill bombers. It has a very nice ceiling... got a buff at 35K last night, without wallowing. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
I find it to be somewhat of a cross between the Spit and 109; it turns like a Spit, climbs like a 109 (without WEP), hits like something in-between. It can hang on its prop very well, it dives fast, and has very nice low-speed handling. Just watch the compression.
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I do not do well flying the 205. I did get my first kill in it on Sat. I believe it takes alittle time to learn the ups and downs of the 205. I wish I had the patience to learn them.
In addition, I find the 205 hard to kill. Damn thing maneuvers all over the place.
I always tell myself, maybe I should give it another try.
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Damn Ghostrider! This bogey is all over me!!
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The Macchi doesnīt even climb with a 109 over 20000ft, it climbs better.
Just do a little test: cs160 100%power without wep. Watch the vsi.
Near the ground a 109 has about 4000ft/min climbrate. With higher altitudes climbrate will drop in a 109 slowly up to 20000ft From there on climbrate will drop much faster.
Same happens with the macchi, but itīs climbrate begins to drop faster from about 23000ft on.
Now iīm really asking myself at the moment which of these aircrafts has the 605D engine and which has the 605A
Btw,P-51 has a nearly constant climbrate between 20000ft and 23500ft (???)
niklas
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Hmmm.... Lets analyze this. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Turns like a Spit (almost)
Climbs like a 109 (remember Spit is also very similar in climb)
Speed and Acceleration like a Spit
Guns like a Spit
What do you get? A funky painted Italiano style Spitfire.
Ahhhh... I see now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Its a great plane for all you guys that want to fly a Spitfire, but are afraid of being called Dweeby Nancy Boy Spitfire Pilots.
It all becomes clear (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(note: original italian squadron/pilots excepted of course)
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Vermillion
WB's: (verm--), **MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires ;) "
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Originally posted by Vermillion:
Hmmm.... Lets analyze this. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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What do you get? A funky painted Italiano style Spitfire.
Ahhhh... I see now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Its a great plane for all you guys that want to fly a Spitfire, but are afraid of being called Dweeby Nancy Boy Spitfire Pilots.
It all becomes clear (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(note: original italian squadron/pilots excepted of course)
*sigh*
It seems that no matter what I happen to be flying, it's a dweeb plane! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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From Cinderella fighter to dweeb plane: great!
According to our sources the C.205 should get a little more horsepower up to 23,000ft.
The C.205 had almost the same climb/speed performance of the 109G-2 and G-4.
The problem is that actually the 109G-10 FM has to be tuned, as well as the MkIX's one.
As far as maneuverability and turn performance are concerned the "Veltro" (probably the "light" version without cannons) was a match even for Spitfires MkIX and P38s Lightning.
Even the Luftwaffe was impressed by "Series 5" fighters performance (Macchi C.205V, Fiat G-55 and Reggiane 2005) against the 109G-4 and the Fw190A-5 (February 1943 combat tests).
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BTW, enjoy that "Big Zeke"... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Honestly, I don't know why anyone limits themselves to one food at a buffet... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/confused.gif)
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Honestly, I don't know why anyone limits themselves to one food at a buffet...
Why fill up on bread at the buffet when you could be eating filet mignon and lobster? :P
I'm not a dweebfire or Velcro-dweeb pilot but a die-hard Runstang pilot. Of all the planes which give me fits nowadays, its that friggin Italiano ride. Seems they all are pulling 9G loops and breaks without a problem! :/ Its almost like that Velcro thinks its a yoyo!
-Ding
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9 g...he said nine g....(digging thru copey of shaw for chapter on how to sustain 9 g turn.) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
It is a fun ride that c205. I can even get it to climb in a strate line unlike the 109.
But you still have to know whats up. Impressed myself and got a snap shot kill the other nite. Thought Hot dam I"m getting this.....Then proceeded to get waxed the next 5 sorties....... IN the 205.
Reminds me of a quote by some us airforce aggressor types....Hamburger in any other package is still Hamburger... I believe I begin to understand.
See ya online
[This message has been edited by combat23 (edited 01-10-2000).]
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*sigh*
I thought I made it clear with all the (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I was kidding guys
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Vermillion
WB's: (verm--), **MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires ;) "
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Kidding?? The Macchi is a helluva plane! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Amazing we all arent speaking Italian yet!
Ciao!
-Ding
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hehe..surprized by the Macchi??
Actually, in RL the 205 was a match for every plane the allied could put in the air.
It was not an uberplane, but he did his job very well (the problem were the italian pilots, wich couldn't shot at all...).
As gatt said, even the LW was impressed by his performances (and JG77 used the 205 during winter '44, judging it as excellent).
As for the g the Macchi can pull, he could pull up to +/- 15 g (data from Macchi manual).
Veetwin
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Ahhh them spit dweebs whining! bravo HTC!
So amusing when spit dweebs finally whine about that they can't get sure kills without skills! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
What I've heard, C.205 is what it is now.. climb rate is nice, its also lighter than Bf109s I think, also its comparable to earlier 109s which can stand a chance to turn with spits. (not to mention about removing 20mm's with very light weight 7.7mm peashots)
Eat your spaghetti well, spitfries! 8)
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Seen the arena today Fishu?
Heheheh you can't throw a rock without hitting one.
In fact, during the Bish capture of f7 (was flying bish today) 205 defenders outnumbered the Spitfires by almost 2 to 1.
Has the dweebfire been dethroned? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Vermillion
WB's: (verm--), **MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires ;) "
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Rooks seem to love C.205 (or is it just because of that italian squadron in rooks, and their friends)
Can't see such many 205s from bishcuits
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Yes,
sometimes there are 10+ italian manned C.205 online playing with Rooks (9pm-12pm, GMT+1).
There are already two squadrons, 1st and 4th Stormo CT.
Moreover, online italian CFS pilots have discovered AH and they (guess what) like it.
Aircraft like the C.205, very popular in Italy, really took a lot of italian customers to HTC.
I'm sure that more IJAF/IJN and a French fighter, like the excellent Dewoitine 520, could carry a lot more Jap/French guys to AH.
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Dewoitine 520 excellent? In 1939 yes, but after that, well... The D.520(520 being the designed top speed in km/h) served on both Allied and Axis sides, and on all the European fronts during the war. If AH starts adding early war(1939) planes, I think it would be a good choice, along with the Curtiss Hawk.
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The main difference I've seen in the .45 c205 and the .43 and previous versions is the E retention in turns. Before, one turn and the thing was ready for the cleaners. It also was not quite the climber it was supposed to be.
It's now a competitive plane; the G-10 should outclimb it, but that's a 109 modelling problem.
Everything else in the AH stable with one engine otta be able to outrun it.
Remember too, it was designed for Italian pilots who were known for their aerobatic proficiency, but not for squad tactics. It's a great arena plane.
And the anelli di fumo paintjob is a beaut.
When it first came out, I saw a lot of Italian pilots online. Now that it's competitive, I see even more. Unlike fans of Russian or Japanese planes, Macchi drivers have nowhere else to go.
And it'll never be a nancy boy plane. It lacks the HS and UFO-elliptical wings.
Think of it this way:
Amurrican planes are all big and loose-fitting, perhaps to conceal the rampant obesity in our population. The Juggernaut is flown by someone who'd slouch on the couch in a loose-fitting t-shirt and jeans, with a beer in hand (Not a bad thing IMHO).
Spitfires are a staid design with a certain eccentricity built in. You can almost see the pilots ankles sticking at. Nancy boy material.
Now, a Macchi combines elegant lines with a noticeable, yet not too flashy design. It catches your attention, but does not insult your sense of aesthetics. This is the plane that, when viewed from an Allied parachute, elicits the comment "Nice ride!"
Call me a Nancy Boy if you must, but I fly a Macchi 'cos, if you'll pardon the offense, "Chicks dig 'em"
[This message has been edited by Dinger (edited 01-11-2000).]
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Juzz,
obviously I mean excellent for a 1939-1940 plane set. IMHO, in good hands she could be a tuff foe even for 1941 kites.
The more I think to the plane set the less I like late war kites. From every points of view.
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Dinger: Nice reply (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Yeah I guess chicks have always like those Italian models.
Gatt: Remember I usually fly Rook, so I know alot of those Italian pilots, or at least recognize their Squad handles (was over in Bish land with a WB's squaddie). And all those C.205's defending f7 were not the Italian squads. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Its just become a very popular plane in this version. And alot of it probably has to do with the "publicity" it gets here on the BBS. Nothing wrong with that though.
I honestly don't care what people fly (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) As long as each of the aircraft have historical strength and weakness. Hell, even the Spitfire is pretty reasonable here in AH, unlike the UFO called a Spitfire in WB's.
I kill em all the same way. Come in with Speed and E, Dive in for a guns pass when they are not looking, and then get the Hell outta Dodge.
Those purty Italian sportplanes explode real nice (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Vermillion
WB's: (verm--), **MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires ;) "