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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: falcon23 on November 07, 2010, 03:29:53 PM
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Need ideas please..and reccomendations Thanks.
Would like to go ddr3 also..c2d system or i7?please stay within 1100.00
Ok I got a little excited..I origianlly said 1400...need to keep it at 1200.00
Thanks. :salute
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Well TilDeath has a machine just a bit over your budget: http://tdcomputersystems.com/PC-Systems/Mage-2/prod_105.html
Or if you want to build your own: http://techreport.com/articles.x/19868/6
The Blu-Ray burner and Xonar soundcard I'd consider optional, you could go with a straight DVD drive and onboard audio depending on your needs, but the rest is a pretty good basic setup.
Note that I have a Xonar in my box, mostly to drive my Sennheisser HD-555 headphones which can use the amp on the card, and sound quality is fantastic. This is just not necessary if you don't really want the extra sound quality.
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For 1400 you can go i7. Talk with TilDeath and see what he can do for you.
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Falcon, you can definitely go i7 if you're willing to make some compromises.
As far as your budget is concerned, is there any hardware you plan on reusing? Do you need an operating system? Do you plan on building this yourself?
If you build it yourself, and can reuse components such as your monitor, optical drive(s), and operating system, you can definitely build yourself a KICK-BUTT i7 system for under $1100...
If your new system is going to have to include all of that, then you can build yourself a KICK-BUTT C2D system for under $1100...
(Yes definitely plan on DDR3 ram.. it's actually about the same price as DDR2 now...)
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Thanks TIGGER...starting from scratch...Building it myself..around windows 7x64
Want to use an antec900 case...
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OK.. I made a quick build for you of which I'll post a screenshot of below. It is for your Antec 900 case, an 800 watt Rosewill power supply (which actually has some really good reviews and is apparently a re-badged power supply of a better brand), ATI5850 Video Card, 6GB DDR3 (1600) ram, a decent ASUS motherboard, a decent 1TB hard drive, and basic DVD burner. The price comes to just below $1100.
This does not include Windows or a Monitor.. or a keyboard/mouse, etc...
Now, you can go with a sweet C2D (or C2Q) setup and save a few hundred bucks in which you can put into a better video card... or two... but if you're dead-set on the Antec 900 case and an I7 processor, you're going to have to compromise with a lesser video card (not that the 5850 is bad...)
Of course, you're going to go overbudget if you want SSD/RAID, blu-ray, sound card, SLI/Crossfire, or anything else fancy in the I7 example with your budget. Basically you're going to have to choose between an 'entry level' i7, or a 'maxed out' C2D...
(http://www.lca.ympsa.com/i7.jpg)
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looks decent..but I am not dead set on an 17...heard it doesnt help the game much..BUT,I dont think c2d or c2q is going the way of the DODO at this point either..lol...would like a good SC,,dont care about raid or ssd at this time..BLU-RAY sounds possibly ok,but dont watch movies at desktop...
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That's a good build above.
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I always have fun looking at these sites. Just to give you and idea, but I still would talk to TD first.
http://www.ibuypower.com/IbpPages/IntelLobby.aspx
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/category/intel_pc/
semp
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OK this example is a C2D E8400 (tried and true) processor.. possibly the BEST C2D processor ever made that won't break the bank. Also on the list is 8GB of DDR3 ram, a MUCH BETTER video card (GTX470 Fermi) and an Asus Xonar soundcard (I have no experience with modern sound cards, but I've heard it's a good one). Also a 7200RPM 64MB cache 1TB hard drive, DVD burner, and a Free copy of Mafia2 (awesome game by the way). All this and you're still $60 under budget. Since you don't use it for movies, don't worry about blu-ray. It's a waste of money right now (and can always be added later). If you have to purchase Windows in that price, you can always do away with the Sound Card (this motherboard seems to have decent Audio... I personally have a different model ASRock motherboard and the sound on it is excellent). Also this motherboard has 7.1 surround sound *AND* USB 3.0!
So as you see, but opting not to go i7, you can increase the Video and the Ram, and add a good Sound card to boot!
(http://www.lca.ympsa.com/c2d.jpg)
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Cpu fan a must.
Semp
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Believe what you want, but if you're not overclocking, the stock C2D fan does just fine. Heck mine is overclocked (a bit) and still has stock cooling.. does just fine.
Although a couple of case fans wouldn't hurt...
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Although a couple of case fans wouldn't hurt...
Also depends on room temp. If your builds above your showing a Rosewill PSU. To me the single most important component in any build is the PSU. I would not trust that PSU . Prefer to see someone get a less power GPU or lesser provessor and get a know brand PSU. IMHO
TD
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Believe what you want, but if you're not overclocking, the stock C2D fan does just fine. Heck mine is overclocked (a bit) and still has stock cooling.. does just fine.
Although a couple of case fans wouldn't hurt...
just suggestions. me I got nervous to push pins into a mobo. so i got one that uses brackets.
my e8400 is oc to 3.9 (hopefully the right way, since i am a novice at that) and it wont go above mid 50's full load after i bought a cooler suggested to me by TD. funny thing is if I close the door in my room it turns into a sweat lodge. but the cpu stays cool. It dont help either that i have a evga 465 oc. which also produces a lot of heat. but I use a tempest case and the temp inside are pretty cool. and it plays ah everything maxed out with textures at 4k with a 1920x1080 and my fps dont go below 50 even in large furballs/cv action. most of the time it stays at 60. the max for my monitor.
then again all are just suggestions to falcon. which If I may suggest before you buy anything post here your items you select, just in case there are more suggestions. either c2d or i7 puter you will play with everything on as long as you get the right components.
semp
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Also depends on room temp. If your builds above your showing a Rosewill PSU. To me the single most important component in any build is the PSU. I would not trust that PSU . Prefer to see someone get a less power GPU or lesser provessor and get a know brand PSU. IMHO
TD
^ What he said. I wouldn't touch that Rosewill PSU if it was given to me free.
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I'm echoing what TD and BE have said.
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Also depends on room temp. If your builds above your showing a Rosewill PSU. To me the single most important component in any build is the PSU. I would not trust that PSU . Prefer to see someone get a less power GPU or lesser provessor and get a know brand PSU. IMHO
TD
Oh no, I don't disagree with you. My 'examples' were to point out that both systems could be built within his budget.. not necessarily to tell him EXACTLY what he should buy. I noticed the Rosewill thrown in with a combo deal with the specific case he wanted (and found many favorable reviews on that Rosewill power supply claiming that specific one is a rebranded ABS brand for what that's worth) and just worked it in. Personally, I'd be looking for a Seasonic or a Corsair-branded Seasonic power supply (NOTE: The new Corsair power supply models ARE NOT Seasonics).
Obviously I would expect ANYONE to do their research before blindly purchasing a hardware list given to them over the internet...
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^ What he said. I wouldn't touch that Rosewill PSU if it was given to me free.
Not to be rude, but exactly why is this?
Do you personally have any bad experiences with the Rosewill brand? If so, how about elaborating.
Do you know anyone who personally have had any bad experience with the Rosewill brand? Again, if so lets hear about it.
Or are you basing this judgment on hearsay and nothing else?
Now I'm not necessarily defending that brand, as I have zero experience with anything under that brand name (although am building a new system in the very near future with a Rosewill Case LOL... and a Seasonic P/S) but I also believe in not badmouthing someone unless I have really good reason to do so.
From what I understand, Rosewill does not make their own products.. rather they simply have their name put on other brands. Under that guise, one model of Rosewill Power Supply may be complete garbage, while another might be of extremely good quality. It takes some research to learn which is which, but to make a blanket statement like that in my opinion is nothing more than pure ignorance...
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I also would stick with the e8400. Im using one also, and slightly overclocked.
THe mobo should be upward compatibale for the I series also.
I know my mobo is expandable. But I should see several years with the setup I did.
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Not to be rude, but exactly why is this?
Do you personally have any bad experiences with the Rosewill brand? If so, how about elaborating.
Do you know anyone who personally have had any bad experience with the Rosewill brand? Again, if so lets hear about it.
Or are you basing this judgment on hearsay and nothing else?
Now I'm not necessarily defending that brand, as I have zero experience with anything under that brand name (although am building a new system in the very near future with a Rosewill Case LOL... and a Seasonic P/S) but I also believe in not badmouthing someone unless I have really good reason to do so.
From what I understand, Rosewill does not make their own products.. rather they simply have their name put on other brands. Under that guise, one model of Rosewill Power Supply may be complete garbage, while another might be of extremely good quality. It takes some research to learn which is which, but to make a blanket statement like that in my opinion is nothing more than pure ignorance...
I got a bad PSU from them one time, was a 500w...I like to stick to brands known for quality.
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looks real good tigger..what about this VC????
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102881
better than the one in your post? There was one that was 2 gb...but it is out of stock right now...
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Is the mobo upward compatable for I series?
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I also would stick with the e8400. Im using one also, and slightly overclocked.
THe mobo should be upward compatibale for the I series also.
I know my mobo is expandable. But I should see several years with the setup I did.
Um... I don't think any socket 775 motherboard is going to be i series compatible... it's just a completely different socket! It's one or the other
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I also would stick with the e8400. Im using one also, and slightly overclocked.
THe mobo should be upward compatibale for the I series also.
I know my mobo is expandable. But I should see several years with the setup I did.
E8400 is LGA775, I7 is 1136.
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I got a bad PSU from them one time, was a 500w...I like to stick to brands known for quality.
Oh don't get me wrong.. I do too! I've had very good luck with Seasonic and Corsair power supplies. I've also had some very BAD luck with generic brands, and as a result I would have to highly recommend reading all of the comments about a particular power supply, ESPECIALLY those from people who have had theirs for a longer period of time. The biggest issue with power supplies is longevity, and someone who plugged it in and it works, and then immediately posts about how UBER their power supply is shouldn't be taken seriously.
BUT to make a blanket statement such as "I wouldn't touch it if it were given to me" with no further explanation as to why I think is downright ridiculous.
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i didnt think so on the upward compatability.
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Have 2 computers w corsair power supplies, tx750 and a ax850. Both running i7's, one with gtx 260 other with gtx 470 gpu.
Both have worked flawless from day one.
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Um... I don't think any socket 775 motherboard is going to be i series compatible... it's just a completely different socket! It's one or the other
not even the "I" cpus are compatible with each others. looks like the i5, i3 and some i7's are lga 1156. higher end i7's are lga1366.
semp
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Not to be rude, but exactly why is this?
Do you personally have any bad experiences with the Rosewill brand? If so, how about elaborating.
Do you know anyone who personally have had any bad experience with the Rosewill brand? Again, if so lets hear about it.
Or are you basing this judgment on hearsay and nothing else?
Now I'm not necessarily defending that brand, as I have zero experience with anything under that brand name (although am building a new system in the very near future with a Rosewill Case LOL... and a Seasonic P/S) but I also believe in not badmouthing someone unless I have really good reason to do so.
From what I understand, Rosewill does not make their own products.. rather they simply have their name put on other brands. Under that guise, one model of Rosewill Power Supply may be complete garbage, while another might be of extremely good quality. It takes some research to learn which is which, but to make a blanket statement like that in my opinion is nothing more than pure ignorance...
Rosewill is newegg's house brand that, in their own words "is dedicated to our mission to compete and win on price, quality, and service." Notice that winning on price is listed first in their mission statement. This is not random. They do not build anything, they simply rebrand other manufacturer's products. That means that you don't really know what your buying, what quality standards it's built to nor how those standards are tested or how accurate performance claims are. It seems unlikely to me that you could research those things to find a conclusive answer.
No, I don't and have never had a Rosewill PSU but when I'm spending my hard earned money on such a critical and generally costly system component I want to know exactly what I'm buying. That's just me and why I said I wouldn't touch it. You may be more inclined to risk taking then me.
Not to be rude or anything but feel free to buy in ignorance.
I do have some experience with non-critical Rosewill products like my laptop external drive enclosure but that only cost me $10 so I was willing to take a chance on it. While it works fine it's design could have been much better. Given that I wouldn't place trust in them for a PSU.
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I have bought a few Rosewill items and I wont make that mistake again.
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See? Now that was a much more educational post. Sounds a lot like Autozone auto parts! LOL
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Don't like to buy the store brands of any electronic items.
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I also would stick with the e8400. Im using one also, and slightly overclocked.
THe mobo should be upward compatibale for the I series also.
I know my mobo is expandable. But I should see several years with the setup I did.
+1, the wolfdale cpus are great. Built my machine a year ago with the e8600 and have had no problems with it
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I also would stick with the e8400. Im using one also, and slightly overclocked.
THe mobo should be upward compatibale for the I series also.
I know my mobo is expandable. But I should see several years with the setup I did.
You can NOT use a E8400 on any other MB then a socket 775. So your statement of upward compatible to an "i" series is NOT correct.
TD
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Just an FYI, 3 years ago right after thanksgiving I was building a pair of new systems.
Most here on the boards were all gloom and doom because I went with a 50$ Mwave case w/500 watt power supply.
Tried to tell me that it wasn't enough PSU, and that it wouldn't likely last a year, etc, etc.
Now my buddy who built a pair of systems some 4 months after me with a tiger direct case's has lost both of those power supplys.
My systems are almost 3 years old and are still performing flawlessly. Still gets more than 60 fps in most situations.
And the power supply that everyone gloomed and doomed about, its still doing just fine. Yes, BOTH of them.
Besides, if a year or 2 down the road, a psu goes, 40 - 70$ gets you a new one, 1 hour swap out, and your back in business. Its one of the easier pieces to swap out in my opinion.
So save your $$$ and give the rosewill PSU a shot if you like.
Just accept that at some point you may have to replace it.
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My systems are almost 3 years old and are still performing flawlessly. Still gets more than 60 fps in most situations.
Is this obtained with the HiRes pack running and everything turned on and all the way up? Reason I ask is because I get calls about systems for players here and the first thing they say is "I want full FR with everything turned on and all the way up"
I have not seen a budget build obtain 60fps unless your looking up at the clear blue sky. Please elaborate on your settings and the 60fps.
TD
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No TD, its not, and I understand exactly where you are coming from. I was not putting down your systems at all.
They are top of the line systems designed to run AH at max. Mine was never designed to do that, nor does it need to.
Personally I'm happy not running the high res pack, and I'm the oddball that doesn't prefer to have his screen res cranked to max. At the time I couldn't afford even the 600$ for the system that I built.
Also I understand that as a "builder" who cranks out many systems a year you can not afford even a 10% failure rate of PSU's. So your hardware has to be rock solid. But then your not selling 600$ systems either. You get what you pay for.
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I spoke with Skuzzy prior to building my E8400 system in July of 2008. In March of that year he told me to "get the 750W PC Power & Cooling PSU" and I immediately ordered it.
Like Skuzzy, BE & TD, I consider the PSU to be the backbone/core of ANY PC.
I will continue to only get proven PSU's in the future.
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Ghosth I dont mean to scare you but... your PSU is right at the point where thermal history and time are working against its useable lifespan. If it is not built like one of the better PSUs it is not going to handle the end days very gracefully and that will end up costing you more than a new PSU. It just doesnt make sense to put a $40 PSU in a system of any value at all. Most likely it will ONLY take out the motherboard and memory WHEN it expires but there could be other problems in other peripherals and that could be hidden for sometime after you build a new system and have moved those peripherals over. I have lived that nightmare which is why I make the recommendations I do.
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No TD, its not, and I understand exactly where you are coming from. I was not putting down your systems at all.
They are top of the line systems designed to run AH at max. Mine was never designed to do that, nor does it need to.
Personally I'm happy not running the high res pack, and I'm the oddball that doesn't prefer to have his screen res cranked to max. At the time I couldn't afford even the 600$ for the system that I built.
Also I understand that as a "builder" who cranks out many systems a year you can not afford even a 10% failure rate of PSU's. So your hardware has to be rock solid. But then your not selling 600$ systems either. You get what you pay for.
The only reason I mentioned it Ghosth is because some players are under the misunderstanding that a 600, 700, or 800 dollar system will run the game at max FR with everything turned all the way up. I wanted to make sure this was not the case again and misunderstood.
:salute
TD
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I went with a Corsair GS700 when I switched my old 9400Gt card to an ATI 5770. Great PSU, but it was $120 or so. Now I want to swap my old E2180 processor for something with a bit more speed. I was thinking about going with the 8400 (good price), but am still on the fence. Any advice would be appreciated.
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Jag's, the upgrade to the E8400-8600 would be noticeable and well worth it IMO.
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if you get around to getting tired of paying for the intel tax,
i suggest you try this ~$700.00 build. fully upgradeable to six-cores later on.
(if you really have to.)
max settings, balls to the walls hi-res 1080P gaming.
(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv4/wuttzi/uber_amd.png)
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The 5850 would be a better card than the 6870, they are the same price and the 5850 would probably score better for the same price.
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if you get around to getting tired of paying for the intel tax,
i suggest you try this ~$700.00 build. fully upgradeable to six-cores later on.
(if you really have to.)
max settings, balls to the walls hi-res 1080P gaming.
Sorry but AMD doesnt have anything that can hit the same level of performance as the top tier of Intels line. That could change someday... maybe.
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Here's your machine dude. I left you a little overhead in case you need a new OS because your going to HAVE to run a 64 bit OS. I didn't fully check compatibility so it's up to you to make sure the motherboard likes the RAM model, etc. but this should be pretty close. OC the CPU to about 3.6-3.8 Ghz and AH full settings should be a breeze.
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Sorry but AMD doesnt have anything that can hit the same level of performance as the top tier of Intels line. That could change someday... maybe.
please satisfy my curiousity, how many more AHII framerates/second will the top tier intel cpu have over the $734.00 system i suggested?
over nine thouzaaands? :O :O :O :aok
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AHII is an easy game to max out. Try Metro 2033 at 2560x1600 resolution or FSX while landing in a thunderstorm at Frankfurt with 100% traffic. In fact try doing either one with any AMD CPU and any Ati card.
You pointedly called the higher performing CPUs an "Intel Tax" which is the same negative attitude you have for a lot of things. The point is Intel kicks AMD tail. Get used to it.
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Here's your machine dude. I left you a little overhead in case you need a new OS because your going to HAVE to run a 64 bit OS. I didn't fully check compatibility so it's up to you to make sure the motherboard likes the RAM model, etc. but this should be pretty close. OC the CPU to about 3.6-3.8 Ghz and AH full settings should be a breeze.
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that's basically my system, slighly different mobo, case and ocz ram and an evga 465 1 gb oc card. and installed a really good cpu fan the Prolimatech Megahalems Rev.B CPU Cooler (recommended by TD). I play everything maxed out with hires pack texture shadows at 4096 (lowered it to 2048 because i really cant tell the difference). 1920x1080 resolution. my fps mostly stays in the high 50's and sometimes will go to the mid to high 40's during large furballs/cv ack. and we are talking about 30-40 airplanes flying around.
cpu is oc to 3.8 and temps only went down to the mid 50's once i got that cooler from the mid 60's at full load. which would sometimes cause my puter to crash.
I am really happy with my computer. but if i was to build a new computer, I would go with and i5 or i7 (think TD mentioned it in another thread). spend a little more to get an upgraded system, e8400 is an awesome processor and dont think an i7 or i5 would be an improvement in ah. but you have to think long term, i mean gigabyte no longer makes my mobo (ga-ep45-ud3p) and that was a hot item last year.
anyway I dont really know much about computers, just talking about what i have and my experience with it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130557 this is the card i have and I paid 280 3 months ago. with discount it is 179 now.
semp
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AHII is an easy game to max out. Try Metro 2033 at 2560x1600 resolution or FSX while landing in a thunderstorm at Frankfurt with 100% traffic. In fact try doing either one with any AMD CPU and any Ati card.
well, is the OP asking for an omgwtfbbqsauce gaming system with 1600P triple monitor 3D-capable stereoscopicsauce? we're not asking for that kind of build, but a budget build that will run this(AHII) game balls-out. you can leave the "intel kicks ass" post for another thread if you like. fwiw, in systems that are out of your price range and/or tech expertise, intel does not rule the roost. google "cray" & "jaguar." also, you might want to look at other industry metrics like SPECfp_rate06, SPECint_rate06 or STREAM. (dont embarrass yourself with superpi (http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=137247&p=173506&hilit=superpi+x87#p173505).)
You pointedly called the higher performing CPUs an "Intel Tax" which is the same negative attitude you have for a lot of things. The point is Intel kicks AMD tail. Get used to it.
what im really getting used to in this forum is for some folks getting butt hurt when they get told an alternative point of view when it comes to cpu tech. unbelievable that every time i suggest a system thats incredibly superior in price/performance/power metrics, the thread starts turning into a "intel rules the performance" debate. thats what im getting used to. :) :) ;)
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You dropped this: :furious
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(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1005/shoppinglists.jpg)
total is 1133.92 + shipping
running Raid 0
Preformance of Processor is equal to I7 940 @ 2.93ghz
supports ATI crossfire but the 470 is a good card should only need a single card solution
a 5850 would run about about the same
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Why a pair of notebook drives?
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:rofl
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the best thing you can do to a build is use an SSD for OS/Program files.
HDD's are still better at the $/GB metric, so dont use SSD for storage.
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opps didnt mean to add the NB ones.. my bad..
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google "cray" & "jaguar."
You have a real penchant for the ridiculous. Can you run Windows 7 on a Cray? :rofl
SSDs are not a good investment. The one thing I think they are good for is permanent archives. The few seconds they save on booting an OS is not worth it and the way they are designed the constant updates with DRM license storage and registry modifications and windows constant updates will wear them out quicker than an archive you use occasionally only.
Leave the SSD on the shelf and you can afford an Intel. :aok
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You have a real penchant for the ridiculous. Can you run Windows 7 on a Cray? :rofl
if it can simulate the largest thermonuclear explosions in nature, expelling mass greater than that of the Sun-
what makes you think it wouldn't run Windows 7? :eek: :) :) it's still the same AMD64 cpu, after all.
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The forum here is Intel rules.
I run AMD, 2 puters with AMD. They both work fine for me and do what I need.
I wouldn't bother mentioning AMD in this forum anymore.
Also I am not against Intel. I built my computer on a budget and for my needs.
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The forum here is Intel rules.
I run AMD, 2 puters with AMD. They both work fine for me and do what I need.
I wouldn't bother mentioning AMD in this forum anymore.
Also I am not against Intel. I built my computer on a budget and for my needs.
but, but, but...
:aok
its a pain, but i'm doing this for the benefit of those who are reading with an open mind.
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I also would stick with the e8400. Im using one also, and slightly overclocked.
THe mobo should be upward compatibale for the I series also.
I know my mobo is expandable. But I should see several years with the setup I did.
yeah yeah, my bad, didnt have my coffee. :rolleyes:
I can upgrade to a intel core 2 quad though (Yorkfield). Have no need at this point though. And they seem to hold their value, cause the prices are still WAY up there.
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my friends E6850 3.0ghz stilll cost 150ish new and its been around since Q3 of 07