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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MetaTron on October 25, 2003, 12:57:46 AM
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No matter where you look there are never more than three cons, never lower than 3k, and always 3 sectors away!
NOT!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_178_1067061290.jpg)
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You did better than I tonight. Just left due to lack of fight. Levi left earlier, RickT was going to log right after me. Saw a bit of chatter on the radio about same . I sure would have loved to drop in on the party you have pictured above. Now if we were to change fester's map for pizza, it would not be such a bad week.
Pirate
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dam tree hugging dweebs :p
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There was a time when I was fairly happy with all the maps. I really didnt care which one was up.
Then came FesterMA.........
Everything changed.
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That high 190 got you, didn't he? Be honest. :)
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My interpretation of Fester's map is quite different now. I liked it at first even though I was telling him it sucked (had to balance all that praise he was getting after all) but now I realize how badly it has influenced the player base. Everyone used to whine that the guys that flew the most would always have greater rank. It still isnt really true but it is now very true that in the points category that the guys that fly the most will have a better chance of putting distance between them and guys that dont.
So, the guys that whined for Festers map the most will have even less chance of ranking (not that they care).
The other side of the coin is perks. Even a noob can rack up massive perks on Festers map. So guys that cant handle a 262 will be using them youll see more tiger tanks and things like that. So I guess what everyone really wants is gamey-ness. Thats not at all the tone I hear the most out of players but there you are.
By the way the fight I took that screenshot from raged for more than three hours and was still up to a light roar when I logged off.
No one got me curval. I dropped in on the A20 killing our M3s and blasted him into the tower before landing my kills.
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Originally posted by MetaTron
By the way the fight I took that screenshot from raged for more than three hours and was still up to a light roar when I logged off.
Even a blind squirell finds a nut sometimes
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Reverse that; must be a lot of blind nuts in the MA.
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notice all the planes were spits. except for a few nikis and la7s. I sure do love the MA.
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Obviously you missed the A6M, 190, Typhoon, and A20. What you cant see are the P51s above me and a few 109s and more 190s.
I think its all a matter of attitude in the MA anymore. The fights are there but a lot of clowns insist upon immediate satisfaction and sometimes you just have to make things happen yourself.
This fight was begun by my squadron innitiating a vehicle attack upon a zone field. Rooks didnt want to give it up and the fight that ensued went for the rest of the night and the base exchanged hands back and forth a few times. A great time was had by all who participated.:aok
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Originally posted by MetaTron
. So I guess what everyone really wants is gamey-ness. Thats not at all the tone I hear the most out of players but there you are.
Please define "gamey"
I definatly agree with you as far as at least a slim majority of the player base prefer's "gamey", but I'm not sure what you mean by gamey-ness? The amount of time one flies, thereby attaining greater rank/points and flying higher perked aircraft do not (at least in my view) contribute to "gamey".
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Originally posted by MetaTron
This fight was begun by my squadron innitiating a vehicle attack upon a zone field. Rooks didnt want to give it up and the fight that ensued went for the rest of the night and the base exchanged hands back and forth a few times. A great time was had by all who participated.:aok
:aok :D There's ALWAYS a party when we Rooks are involved! :p
TBolt
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Another day when you just cant find more than one con at a time. You must have to think too much to play this game!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_178_1067229941.jpg)
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This map has so many BUGS it need an exterminator
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Originally posted by MetaTron
I think its all a matter of attitude in the MA anymore. The fights are there but a lot of clowns insist upon immediate satisfaction and sometimes you just have to make things happen yourself.
Too true, MetaTron, and a poignant indication of the direction in which this game is going. I've got loads of screen shots and films on the pizza which show much the same as you have shown. Sometimes you have to fly more than 5 minutes to get there, and that seems to be the sticking point for many.
It's precisely this attitude that makes me have grave doubts about AH2 TOD (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=94174).
I liked your pearl of wisdom so much that I'm adding it to my sig.
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Originally posted by MetaTron
...I think its all a matter of attitude in the MA anymore. The fights are there but a lot of clowns insist upon immediate satisfaction and sometimes you just have to make things happen yourself.
This fight was begun by my squadron innitiating a vehicle attack upon a zone field...
Hmmmm… make it happen and somewhere you said “3 hours”
Metatron online time this tour to now: 152 hours OMG
Zippatuh online time this tour to now: 14 hours
So, what percentage of my time am I supposed to “make it happen”? I’m glad you found a good fight. Finding one during your crusade of online time, I’m not sure that I’d call that success.
Imagine this… someone who doesn’t live online wants to jump in and find a fight. I’ve got an hour, I spend the hour “setting it up” right?
Perspective I think is the word I’m searching for. 5.6 hours average a day I do not believe gives you a solid argument for “finding a quick fight”.
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Thats because your of the 'immediate satisfaction' crowd. My hours have nothing to do with 'making it happen' and you cant use that as an argument against it given the number of 'other' maps we have to fly on. I tend to prefer high altitude fights attacking bombers and you dont see much of that on the pizza map until the enemy is right on top of your HQ. What little of that we have seen have been buffs that just bail the minute they see your going to get to them before they get to their target.
The one thing festers map gave us is convincing dweebs into furballing down low. Unfortunately that means most have taken to acting stupid but thats just my take. However this fits right into your plans but youve become so 'anti-pizza' that you probably havent given it a try. Since this map rotated in I have had no problem finding a fight with at least ten cons in it and most often more than thirty.
The few times I have found fewer the little resistance I mounted was quickly met with more numbers. Its as if the cons are communicating 'we have met resistance' and the numbers mount in response and usually by a factor of two or three. The two examples Ive posted are not exceptions. These are just two examples of where I was fighting. Our entire front on both sides has been active throughout the weekend.
So if you cant find a fight I say your not trying or worse.
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Originally posted by Zippatuh
Imagine this… someone who doesn’t live online wants to jump in and find a fight. I’ve got an hour, I spend the hour “setting it up” right?
Better idea would be to go to the DA.
I've heard this argument before, and it's weak. I mean come on: Map design based on the number of hours available to play? How gamey do you want it? :rolleyes: I see all these motions as part of a creeping process to make AH a total furball sim.
A while ago, I suggested a dedicated arena (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=95872) for you guys. It was made tongue in cheek of course. But I'm beginning to think that's really what you want, but cannot bring yourselves to admit it. I didn't understand it at the time, but now I see why Skuzzy locked my thread. :lol
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Festers map offers both strat and the quick fix....are you against that map and if so why?
I contend that most maps lack the option of a faster engagement while nursing along the guys who are retired or have nothing better to do than live online...perhaps you're right Beetle...maybe we should all just leave the MA, maybe just quit altogether...that would satisfy the 150hr per tour guys just fine.:rolleyes:
What I see, is that the strat guys want us to leave for another arena, while I myself have never advocated a map where strat was limited by design, but rather one in which both camps might be happy....that premise seems to bother some of the strat guys.
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Yeah.... I admit... it is not impossible to find fights like meta shows on pizza... it is just improbable.
Most nights on pizza you can spend an hour or two looking and never finding anything like a good fight. That is the problem. I want them availabel the whole time I'm logged on and I don't want to have to "hope" they might be there.
froggy... what do you fly?
lazs
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150hr crowd wants you to leave? Do you see black helicopters with these fits? You guys have already got it both ways but you want one crowd to suffer the loss of a great map in favor of your preference. No!
Yes I have a problem with Festers map. After a few more rotations I think you will see the problem too. Its still fun but it does have problems.
Lazs you must have a problem moving the map about or you limit your options too much in choosing your fights. There is no problem finding a fight on pizza map. None.
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Metatron,
Immediate satisfaction crowd? Me? Absolutely, I’m in it for the knife fight. You’re hours has nothing to do with it? Ok, your previous statements about “starting a gv attack” or something to the affect. That’s having too much time on your hands.
That’s fun for me, driving a GV in a flight sim to “start” an air fight. I’m the only one who sees something, for lack of a better word, gay about that. You have the abundance of time to go putting around in a GV to “start” something. Personally, when I want to start an air fight, I head off to an airfield in aircraft.
What festers map gives us is the ability to get a quick fight in. Live for the fight dweeb and proud of it. What you want is to force the fight dweeb high? Just think of all the extra altitude you can get if all the bombers and “dweebs” are low. Hell it should be better for a space monkey on festers map. Everyone’s low to pick from. If you feel the need to have a longer flight, take off from a rear base.
Pizza has a few bases that can get a good fight going. The problem is the damn GV’s usually end up screwing it by base capture. Base capture by GV on pizza is too easy because of the huge front lines and the inability to cover all the GV spawns.
“If you can’t find a fight your not trying or worse”, and with this statement you have a problem with festers map? There is no try on festers map, there is only do.
Percentages say that yes, you will find a fight, but with 5 hours on a day, yeah I could probably find one to.
Beetle,
You know it’s a lot easier for you “strat” guys to get realism and not “gamey”.
This isn’t mine, I heard it and thought I could pass it on though.
Turn your AC down to its lowest setting, make sure you fly at night so it can be as cold and dark as possible, and before hand eat a hefty meal because you’ll be up for awhile.
Then dress in something warm and cumbersome and take some xlax just before you logon then finally lock yourself in the room. You cannot leave until your 12 hour sortie ends.
I can smell the fear in your post through my screen. Are you that worried that given the chance people may want to fight other people more than dirt, buildings, or sheep? Man, would that suck! If by chance a pilot had a choice, fly for the fight or fly for the scenery they may actually pick the fight.
Huh, who’d a thunk?
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Zipp,
just think that in the time it took you to type that post, you could have found a fight on the pizza map. You don't need more time; you just need to make better use of the time that you DO have.
Your T.F.T.T.™ utopia exists in the DA. So why campaign for changes to the MA? The strat in the MA did not just appear as if by magic. It was PUT there by HTC, and one assumes they intended for it to be used. I also assume they intended for the GVs to be used. Or do you think they were merely working on points for style by the time they got to that? :rolleyes:
I would have tried your scenario, but was unable to get past the first instruction. I don't have AC. We don't generally need it in Britain! (This year was exceptional)
Oh, and did you check my online hours? Only 17 this tour, but I'm with MetaTron every inch of the way in this thread.
Now, in the time it's taken you to read this post, you could have found yet another fight on Pizza!
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Zippatuh you misunderstood or pointed out specific points and ignored the overall. You attack a field the enemy responds. You dont like gvs then ask HT to remove them. It isnt going to happen though. You suffer from not being able to find a fight I dont. On festers map its even easier. Too easy I think as it nullifies half of the game.
I like taking bases and accomplishing things. Apparently you guys just want to fight. You want to have fun without thinking and thats cool. I just dont see why the rest of us have to suffer to satisfy your desire for a low furball.
My squad does what it has to to help our country. To that end we often go it alone. There are exceptions and bishops are improving though slowly. You guys are obviously only in it for yourselves and what limited fun furballing brings you. Its your money and time and thats fine. Nothing wrong with it. Just dont change things because of the limited users that answer up on the BBS. Take a poll of the MA if you want to know how things really are.
The gay statement was just wrong. It demonstrates a weakness in your character.
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I don't understand anymore, half of the pizza map whiners say u can't find a furball the other can't find a 1 vs 1 fight.
Strangly the maps seems the cause.
It's pathetic if u give a good look at the map whiners.
Sky is sky it's all 3D.
On some maps u have to fly a few minutes more to reach an nme airbase but that's all i can find.
Start being sober guys.
Don't give in to the mass hystery.
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
I don't understand anymore, half of the pizza map whiners say u can't find a furball the other can't find a 1 vs 1 fight.
Strangly the maps seems the cause.
It's pathetic if u give a good look at the map whiners.
Sky is sky it's all 3D.
On some maps u have to fly a few minutes more to reach an nme airbase but that's all i can find.
Start being sober guys.
Don't give in to the mass hystery.
That about sums it up.
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Originally posted by MetaTron
This fight was begun by my squadron innitiating a vehicle attack upon a zone field.
So, the best way to start a furball is to start with numbers to begin with? :confused:
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Originally posted by Tumor
Please define "gamey"
gamey - adj. (1) as or pertaining to a game. (2) To use aspects of a game to one's advantage, whether or not such tactics were valid during a real event. In a sentence: GoFaster parking his Panzer inside the wounded hull of the enemy Tiger tank so as to protect himself from the Tiger's rescuers was a good example of being gamey. :lol
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Originally posted by Zippatuh
Imagine this… someone who doesn’t live online wants to jump in and find a fight. I’ve got an hour, I spend the hour “setting it up” right?
I'm with Zipp. I log on at 10pm, want to go to bed by 11pm with a couple of flights under my belt. I log on and up comes AKDessert. Lots of bases flashing so I pick one. Spend 5 minutes climbing to 15k in a 109G2 just to have a P-47D come in at 20K, fly over my head and dive down. I give chase back to my base. I pull within 2.0 and watch as he pickles his ordinance and gets chewed up by airfield flack on pull-out. 20 minutes gone and nothing to show for it. I guess AKDessert is a good way to pad my jabo score, since there are so many undefended bases and no discernable front line.
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Originally posted by gofaster
I'm with Zipp. I log on at 10pm, want to go to bed by 11pm with a couple of flights under my belt.
WW2 was not like that. I appreciate that concessions are needed for gameplay, but it's gone too far on some maps. Why not use the DA? Or the CT? That's what pizzaphobes do in pizza week.
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Yes during WWII they often put fields within artillery range. It saved them the expense of using gasoline to send their planes to their destiny. Thats what makes festers map so good. Any one field that could have artillery could feasibly destroy any other field within two fields distance and all without launching a single sortie. Fortunately we dont have WWII type artillery. Ever see SBs fire at PT spawn points? :rolleyes:
Come to think of it why doesnt someone build the ultimate furballers map? Pack all the fields of the map right next to each other. 7k distance should do it. Mix in a few factories and oh what fun we will all have! :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by beet1e
Your T.F.T.T.™ utopia exists in the DA. So why campaign for changes to the MA? The strat in the MA did not just appear as if by magic. It was PUT there by HTC, and one assumes they intended for it to be used. I also assume they intended for the GVs to be used. Or do you think they were merely working on points for style by the time they got to that? :rolleyes:
GV’s were added to widen the customer base. I doubt seriously that any who were flying at the time before GV’s were introduced were screaming very loud for them. I’d wager good money they were asking for more aircraft but I could be wrong.
If the DA had numbers I’d be there but it doesn’t. Yeah, there’s a strat game, but the meat of it is shooting someone down. If your that into the strat thing, I hear there’s a virtual Risk game out now. Maybe you should give it a try?
No, I didn’t say anything about your online time. I actually didn’t check it. I just know that you’re a TAS/BK groupie. I saw you got to meet lazs in person so the back orders for action figures probably went down.
I think Toad will send you a lock of his hair though. Then you can weave it into your own and argue daily with yourself.
As for your silly references to reading, writing, and being able to find a fight, I won’t check your online time:
Zip registered in Jan 2001 has 735 some odd posts
Beetle registered in Nov 2001 has 2497 some odd posts.
Dude, there are other things besides AH.
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Originally posted by MetaTron
...You guys are obviously only in it for yourselves...
...The gay statement was just wrong. It demonstrates a weakness in your character...
You are absolutely right, we are in it for ourselves.
I still don’t understand your concern for close bases and low furballs? Is it that you want to “force” people to higher altitudes? If everyone is low, why not come a little lower.
You can still B&Z from 15K as well as you can from 25.
Everyone can still have their precious strategy. I fail to see how having closer bases will affect it much other than bases changing hands quicker. Of course for those who don’t want a quick fight probably don’t want a quick base capture either.
Oh, and every once in awhile we do a ATG run, but not often.
As for character, I am the lowest thing to virtual man. I will steal your kills, flame away on burning wreckage, taunt, moon, spit, curse, and call a duck a duck.
And yes, gay, not funny haha, but gay funny queer.
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Originally posted by Zippatuh
And yes, gay, not funny haha, but gay funny queer.
I suppose your right. You do sound rather limp wristed.
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Originally posted by MetaTron
Zippatuh you misunderstood or pointed out specific points and ignored the overall. You attack a field the enemy responds. You dont like gvs then ask HT to remove them. It isnt going to happen though. You suffer from not being able to find a fight I dont. On festers map its even easier. Too easy I think as it nullifies half of the game.
I like taking bases and accomplishing things. Apparently you guys just want to fight. You want to have fun without thinking and thats cool. I just dont see why the rest of us have to suffer to satisfy your desire for a low furball.
My squad does what it has to to help our country. To that end we often go it alone. There are exceptions and bishops are improving though slowly. You guys are obviously only in it for yourselves and what limited fun furballing brings you. Its your money and time and thats fine. Nothing wrong with it. Just dont change things because of the limited users that answer up on the BBS. Take a poll of the MA if you want to know how things really are.
The gay statement was just wrong. It demonstrates a weakness in your character.
Geesh ... none could be more nobler than you and your squad. Maybe you will get an invitation to the White House.
There was a change ... its called FesterMA ... and no poll needed there.
No large map has received the accolades that that map received from the whole community. People who had decided to take time off waiting for AH II to revive their juices, came back to play that map and got excited about the game again. Those that were on the brink of quitting got reviatlized with the action on that map.
I never complain about any map (did I ever mention that I HATE Mindano) and yes the broad brush of "Can never find a fight on the pizza map!" is wrong. There are fights on the pizza map, but not with the reqularity that some seek.
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well gee metatron.... maybe I can find a fight anytime I want on pizza map but how would you know? do you know what it means to find a fight? It would appear that either you can't find a fight anytime you like or.... that you simply don't like to fight.. looking at your stats you seem very skilled but unable to find fights or.... you simply don't like to fight and are avoiding them. You have many K/D and very very low k/h so..... you are not simply dieing in the fight to get such a low K/d.... you just aren't getting into many fights. I would guess that you are very careful about choosing the type of fight you won't run from.
This is not what most of us consider a good time. If you win every fight but you only get into 3-6 an hour.... that is not furballing.
lazs
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Originally posted by SlapShot
There was a change ... its called FesterMA ... and no poll needed there.
The way I see it, Fester's map doesn't necessarily offer better fights. Nor does it channel gameplay into something other than what we find on other maps. I took some screenshots on Fester's map showing a massive bar of green piling on a small bar of red and a huge bar of red piling on a small pile of green somewhere else across the map. So the more things change, the more they stay the same.
BUT... no matter how good or bad the fights became on Fester's map, one thing seperates it from the pack of large maps: distance to the fight. If the fight's going to suck, I'd much, much rather fly 2 minutes to encounter the suckage than fly 10 minutes. All things being equal except base distances, I'll gladly choose closer bases.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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About 20% of the fights I get on in the AKDesert map are really good fights. About the same can be said of Fester's map. The other 80% really have nothing to do with the map you are flying on... but the people flying in it.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
About 20% of the fights I get on in the AKDesert map are really good fights. About the same can be said of Fester's map. The other 80% really have nothing to do with the map you are flying on... but the people flying in it.
Exactly.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by SlapShot
There was a change ... its called FesterMA ... and no poll needed there.
No large map has received the accolades that that map received from the whole community.
I don't agree. There were accolades from what - 50? 100 guys? Maybe even 200? That is not the "whole community" When I view my scores I note that at some tasks (those I never or rarely do) I might be ranked at #3594. So there are at least that number of players. And there are many other account holders that are inactive - they are entitled to vote too.
The only way to get an accurate assessment would be by pop-up logon poll. You can't extrapolate the votes by what's posted on the BBS.
Frankly, I wish HTC would conduct a popup poll - would save a lot of map whining.
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Originally posted by MetaTron
I suppose your right. You do sound rather limp wristed.
That’s all you got?
With each passing moment I understand why you don’t like to fight. You’re just not very good at it.
I agree that the map doesn’t have anything to do with the “quality” of fights, just the frequency and travel time. That’s basically the only beef the furballer has. Travel time and frequency.
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Originally posted by lazs2
well gee metatron.... maybe I can find a fight anytime I want on pizza map but how would you know? do you know what it means to find a fight? It would appear that either you can't find a fight anytime you like or.... that you simply don't like to fight.. looking at your stats you seem very skilled but unable to find fights or.... you simply don't like to fight and are avoiding them. You have many K/D and very very low k/h so..... you are not simply dieing in the fight to get such a low K/d.... you just aren't getting into many fights. I would guess that you are very careful about choosing the type of fight you won't run from.
This is not what most of us consider a good time. If you win every fight but you only get into 3-6 an hour.... that is not furballing.
lazs
Might be true if I stuck to your way of thinking which I dont. Go on thinking score has anything to do with skill it doesnt hurt my feelings any. Your score cant bear the scrutiny.
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Originally posted by Zippatuh
That’s all you got?
With each passing moment I understand why you don’t like to fight. You’re just not very good at it.
I agree that the map doesn’t have anything to do with the “quality” of fights, just the frequency and travel time. That’s basically the only beef the furballer has. Travel time and frequency.
Your right zipp I suck at this. Why dont you come look me up? :aok
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In!
Oh wait.. I was already in.. ah well. :D
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Originally posted by Zippatuh
I agree that the map doesn’t have anything to do with the “quality” of fights, just the frequency and travel time. That’s basically the only beef the furballer has. Travel time and frequency.
Hell... if you don't care about the quality of the fight... then it shouldn't matter what map you're on. Just look for the base with 20 people attacking it. You're bound to find a fight instantly.
Funny thing is seeing people maintain this doesn't happen on one map... but does on another. I have more than a few screenshots of a map that doesn't have a single green bar and red bar in the same sector... with 450 people on. It wasn't the AKDesert map.
MiniD
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Originally posted by MetaTron
150hr crowd wants you to leave? Do you see black helicopters with these fits? You guys have already got it both ways but you want one crowd to suffer the loss of a great map in favor of your preference. No!
Yes I have a problem with Festers map. After a few more rotations I think you will see the problem too. Its still fun but it does have problems.
Lazs you must have a problem moving the map about or you limit your options too much in choosing your fights. There is no problem finding a fight on pizza map. None.
Oh great....another new guy with all the answers.
How you can find anything wrong with my premise of a map which affords both camps some fun is beyond me....perhaps you're narrow minded or lack the skills necessary to enjoy anything other than driving around in GV's or Buffs?
Tell us all how it should be once more pls...I missed it the first time.
I'll bet the core of this problem begins and ends with your definition of a fight...probably doesn't involve anything that could fight back? Help me out here....it's hard to think with the loud droning of those black choppers outside my window.
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I tend to prefer high altitude fights attacking bombers
Nevermind....I have my answer.
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Furballer Points:
1. Flying more than a couple of minutes to get to a fight is bad.
2. Spending time finding a fight is bad.
3. Non-furballers are a lesser breed, only fit to feed the furballers during practice time for the real furball.
Yup, STILL argues for a separate furballer arena. Ideal design: 3 indestructible fields 10 miles apart on a 1-sector map, with air spawns to a point at the exact center from each field. GVs, ack, and ordnance disabled.
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Originally posted by Mini D
About 20% of the fights I get on in the AKDesert map are really good fights. About the same can be said of Fester's map. The other 80% really have nothing to do with the map you are flying on... but the people flying in it.
MiniD
Right ... except on Fester's map you don't have to spend 80% of your time trying to find the 20% of good fights.
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meta.... no... you don't see. must be a UK thing. in the fester map you have all the choices in the world. Pizza limits choice.
As for score.... I didn't say anything about score. Iwas talking about "stats" if someone tells me they can find a fight any time they like then they end up only finding 3-6 fights an hour... I would say that they either can't find a fight or that they are avoiding em... in either case... they don't really know what me or my ilk want. In the example I gave stats do indeed matter and mine are 180 degrees off of yours. If I had your K/D then I would have 20 K/H instead of 12 or so.
I say you are wrong.... I say you really can't find a fight every time you like.... not like the ones you show and not on pizza.
lazs
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Right ... except on Fester's map you don't have to spend 80% of your time trying to find the 20% of good fights.
Ya.. you do. That's how percentages work.
MiniD
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Rude the little amount of skill you have doesnt support your arrogance. The few times I have run into you the best you had were little flick rolls to throw off the guns pass. You rope easy and you shoot poorly. Your fight isnt any better than the noobs I kill with total disdain. I give you 19 seconds after a coalt merge.
Look me up next time your on.
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MetaTron sure is a good example of a word-warrior, especially for someone who's only been on the boards since August...
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Originally posted by MetaTron
Rude the little amount of skill you have doesnt support your arrogance. The few times I have run into you the best you had were little flick rolls to throw off the guns pass. You rope easy and you shoot poorly. Your fight isnt any better than the noobs I kill with total disdain. I give you 19 seconds after a coalt merge.
Look me up next time your on.
Well according to your K/H stat , which i'm sure doesn't reflect your skill , i'm sure you are awesome, you fight for 1 min and spend 59 looking.
You'd be unbeatable if you flew a map that provided you 2 min an hour of action.
Personally I'm finding lottsa pizza fites and have enjoyed the map for the most part.
Elevations on most fields are a little hi for the FM2 and flight time is a little to far but Big Isles it ain't:)
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Well sax since you think my kills per hours spent online are so low why dont you check out my score for August? I wasnt flying high altitude missions then and I wasnt seeing as many bomber formations that bail out when you catch them at 30k.
Ever go to 30k? It takes awhile to get there and Im usually doing it to defend HQ. When they bail or other guys get the kills you end up with nothing to show for your time and no place close by to find a kill. My k/d for August was 87:0 and my kills per time exceeded yours, rudes, or bluemakos. Im sure I can drive it much higher whenever I want to.
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Originally posted by Mini D
Hell... if you don't care about the quality of the fight... then it shouldn't matter what map you're on. Just look for the base with 20 people attacking it. You're bound to find a fight instantly.
Give me a break, split words on anything. And yeah, if the “best” fight has the least travel time and is being hit by 20 attackers, then that’s where the fight is isn’t it.
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Originally posted by MetaTron
Your right zipp I suck at this. Why dont you come look me up? :aok
LOL
If this is one of those “meet me in the school yard things”… my squad night is Wednesday’s at 9 CDT. Send me a private and I’ll meet you behind the dumpsters.
:rofl
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Originally posted by MetaTron
My k/d for August was 87:0 and my kills per time exceeded yours, rudes, or bluemakos. Im sure I can drive it much higher whenever I want to.
Pity you can't earn respect as easily...
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Lol Blue as if you have anything to earn!:rofl
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Originally posted by Zippatuh
Give me a break, split words on anything. And yeah, if the “best” fight has the least travel time and is being hit by 20 attackers, then that’s where the fight is isn’t it.
I don't think I'll give you a break. You were the one who said "I agree that the map doesn’t have anything to do with the “quality” of fights, just the frequency and travel time. That’s basically the only beef the furballer has. Travel time and frequency."
The only real beef people have is they get bored. Some try to blame the map, other people, the planes, whatever. Others realize that when you start to get bored its time to stop trying to find all your excitement in the same place.
MiniD
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I've fought Rude a lot in the past Metatron, and he's a very tough opponent (especially in P51's). I've fought you as well, unfortunatelly the fights were somewhat less memorable. I'll give Rude the big edge on this one.
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meta... when your kills per hour go up then your k/d goes down. you are not all that good. What I find funny tho is that someoone like you who doesn't really fight in furballs is telling the furballers that they can find a good fight any time they like...
for you, a good fight is to come in higher than everyone else and then run away when the odds get too high (you lose your percieved advantage). This gives you a high K/D but low k/h..... I am sure the furballers could exceed your k/d or pitiful k/s if they were willing to fly like a little girl too. and be bored to death of course.
I have fought rude lots and he seems pretty skilled to me... think I got an assist a couple of times on you when I did all the damage to you as you were easily reversed and then someone else finished you off as yu ran.
Oh... I have fought the manx and he is a fun fight... I would believe anyu assesment of your skills he gave me.
lazs
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Check again lazs my k/h was higher and so was my k/d. The rest of your response is not much proof of anything substantial. Stats dont tell much of a story. Lol, I like the bit about assists. If you did all the damage you get the kill. I rather doubt you've even hit me. I saw your gunnery score.
Manx I dont recall you showing me anything other than what a cherry picker with alt can do to an already shotup plane. You arent anything special. You run good.
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Who knew so much virtual noodle comparing was possible in one thread, let alone from one man?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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No... you check the stats... your k/d goes down when your k/h goes up... if you actually did participate in furballs you would probly just die terribly.
You don't get the kill if you shoot someone with mg's and then someone blasts em with cannon.... I may not know much about the game but my stats prove I know a little about assists. I think you are just angry because you think you are really good and no one here thinks you are. you are either an unknown or that guy that just runs away. or.... just a another guy less skilled than rude. Nice score tho.
I just love it when people who don't furball get on and talk about what a furball paradise the pizza abortion is. To them, they see all the furballs they want..... more than they want.
I sat behind deja (minid) at the con... he is good... he was telling me "see, look at all the good furballs I am finding. U just have to fly towards that bar." he was in a p40 and doing great but he wasn't seeing what I was seeing.... not in the remotest of senses. he was boom and zoomed for 5 minutes or so by a totallyu incompetent 190 pilot who ended up running away.... and leaving the sky blank again... we seen one thing I would call a decent furball but that was in a half hour or so and was over in 5 minutes..
Again... deja is skilled and he flys the p40 like he said he would... I admire both things but..... he don't know what a furball is. still.... he is twice the player meta is.
lazs
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Obviously you can play a game a long time and never learn much lazs.
August K/D 87:0 K/H 10.728 October K/D 73:0 K/H 3.564
I had decided to have fun every other month and just go at things willy-nilly. The change of pace is great fun.
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Originally posted by MetaTron
Rude the little amount of skill you have doesnt support your arrogance. The few times I have run into you the best you had were little flick rolls to throw off the guns pass. You rope easy and you shoot poorly. Your fight isnt any better than the noobs I kill with total disdain. I give you 19 seconds after a coalt merge.
Look me up next time your on.
Arrogance? Flick Rolls? Roped Easy? Shootin Poorly? Not better than noobs? 19 Seconds?
I'm pissed now.
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Bring it on Girl Scout.
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This is great. :D
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Originally posted by beet1e
WW2 was not like that. I appreciate that concessions are needed for gameplay, but it's gone too far on some maps. Why not use the DA? Or the CT? That's what pizzaphobes do in pizza week.
Because the CT won't let me fly the G2 when I want.
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Originally posted by MetaTron
My k/d for August was 87:0 and my kills per time exceeded yours, rudes, or bluemakos. Im sure I can drive it much higher whenever I want to.
Why do I sense the presence of a Tiger at the spawn camp site?
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Originally posted by MetaTron
Bring it on Girl Scout.
Who's holding the money for the bookies? :D
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I had decided to have fun every other month and just go at things willy-nilly
You only have fun every second month? No wonder you're such a pleasure to listen to on the forums. We must be in your off-month now.
As for me being a cherry picker with alt, I told you, if you'd survived the first pass...perhaps you'd see more of what I could do. But, unfortunatelly you're usually missing your wings by then.
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I know that feeling Manx.
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Has Voss resurfaced?
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Funny how when ever someone posts a pic of a furball it's always nothing but Spit Icons, few Niki's and a couple 190's thrown in to the fray.
Full marks to the Tiffie pilot and 109.
...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~
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Originally posted by Gixer
Funny how when ever someone posts a pic of a furball it's always nothing but Spit Icons, few Niki's and a couple 190's thrown in to the fray.
It warms my heart. I know that many of them won't be able to run away.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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nope... this guy is a brit. They really get into the score thing. I played a few times during euro hours..... it is ducks in a barrel time. either it has American kids or well.... somewhat clumsy adults on.
still.... imagine this... a guy who gets into 3.5 fights an hour is telling us how action packed pizza is. He also flys during euro time which is pretty much not comparable to prime time.
what would be kinda cool tho is a K/H stat for each map...
Again... I know what the manx and rude fight like and I watched meta's clumsy pass on me... I will believe manx and rude anyday over this killer of schoolkids.
lazs
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Manx you talk on the bbs like you fly online. Cherry picker is all you got and you missed three passes dweeb. One kill in a month as often as I fly doesnt make you skilled.
Lazs is shooting in the dark more like a confused greenhorn than dweeb.
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yeah gixer... you gotta be pretty skilled to survive that dangerous high speed pass on spitfires with a G10 or tiffie... Sometimes you have less than 100mph speed advantage....
lazs
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Originally posted by sax
Has Voss resurfaced?
Voss isn't the 13th CO anymore?
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LOL sax.
And about the “bring it on” thing, I posted our squad night. Let’s see if we get a message or two on Wednesday.
I figure he can start with the least skilled, me, and go up from there.
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Hmmm...
Someone please kick me if the day comes when I start yelling out my score and stats, believing it makes me a bigger man.
Ok. Back to the show.........
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Well, then I cherry pick on average between 8 and 10 kills per hour. I should become a farmer.
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Originally posted by MetaTron
Manx you talk on the bbs like you fly online. Cherry picker is all you got and you missed three passes dweeb. One kill in a month as often as I fly doesnt make you skilled.
Apparently it only took you one kill to figure out Slapshot. So why should Manx require any more to figure out you?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Aren't you guys afraid of him? I know I am.
...as of 10/28/03, this is my current favorite thread.
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Originally posted by Furious
Aren't you guys afraid of him? I know I am.
...as of 10/28/03, this is my current favorite thread.
LOL ... shakin' !!!
Virtual Pilots with over-inflated egos just make my legs turn to jelly and my stomach qweasy.
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Originally posted by Mini D
Voss isn't the 13th CO anymore?
Nah, he's heading the FDB's now I think.
Great thread tho! I love this stuff; reminds me of the old days.
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Kind of reminds me of watching the pathetic kid at school trying to convince everyone else that he is the cool one and travelling around in a large group of one is fun.
It is fun to see the word wars develop though. What's great is that Metatard doesn't realise that all this means squat, it's just a game for the rest of us... :cool:
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Laugh all you like guys but beware...... he's liable to fill you full of electron bullets, speeding them through his internet connection right into your internet connected pixel plane!
What THEN, eh? You'll be REALLY sorry then! Your imaginary plane in an imaginary game in an imaginary time and imaginary place would imaginarily CRASH!
The HORROR! Think of the CHILDREN!
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Thats all funny yes. :)
Point is none of you alledged awesome pilots that say you can fight seem to be able to find a fight on akdessert. I dont have a problem with that because I find a fight everytime I look for it. You just demonstrated how easily the guys here get bowed up and ready to strut the machismo. So why cant you find a fight on pizza map? Because you dont want to. Try shooting your mouth off on channel one that seems to work.
There must be something about the map that drives people away from your favorite direction. I dont know what it is but I know the fights are still there. Maybe rude hit it right on the head except its your definition of a fight that is limiting your fun.
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Well Toad....after considering you what you just stated, I'm no longer pissed....now I'm filled with shame and regret.
I never thought of the children!!!
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"Point is none of you alledged awesome pilots ..."
None more awesome that you. When you look into the mirror, do you kiss your reflection ?
"... that say you can fight seem to be able to find a fight on akdessert."
If you go back as re-read some of the post you will find that some of us did say that we CAN find a fight on AKDESERT ... just not as many as we would like to see. Not anywhere near the frequency as one would find in FesterMA.
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hmmmmmmmm... should I or shouldn't I?
Obviously, from the rest of the thread I shouldn't.
So, I won't. I'll merely refer you to the various threads about AKDesert and the explanations/discussions regarding the range of early war (and some mid-war) aircraft, the massive imbalance between the ease of fuel degradation and the difficulty of fuel resupply and, lastly, the distances between fields and the impact this has coupled to the range of the aforementioned aircraft.
You may understand, or you may not. But it's immaterial to me either way.
You see, I've found alternatives to AH AKD or BI boredom. There's the DA, the CT, drinking with friends, fooling with the dogs, chasing the wife around, reading good books... lots of things.
In fact, in a way, I'm thankful for AKDesert and Big Isles and the new rotation schedule. I have at least half the month to do other things that interest me more now.
Not to say that there aren't good fights on AKD or Big Isles. There are; the CV action is usually good until some master of strateegery sinks the boat. Some fields are in reasonable proximity and can have decent fights until the fuel is degraded to 25% or the steamroller horde lemmings to the field.
However, AK and BI usually have less of what interests me overall and when it is happening, it doesn't last long.
But then I think the ONLY time I've ever been to 30K+ in AH was probably when I was AFK for a beer and left it on autoclimb and then the phone range and after that the wife made that thing with her eyes that.. well, you know...
But to each his own. As my old ops officer used to say.. "whatever blows your skirt up, honey".
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"I've fought Rude a lot in the past Metatron, and he's a very tough opponent (especially in P51's). I've fought you as well, unfortunatelly the fights were somewhat less memorable. I'll give Rude the big edge on this one"
Well, manx maybe because you can't kill Metatron, You have 1 kill on him all year. He currently has a 76 to 1 K/D ratio compared to your 4.3. He is the one of the best I have seen in here. Yes, Manx, you are better than me, but I haven't been playing that long. Hopefully Metatron will continue to share his superior ability with me. I have learned it is true what Metatron says, you cherry pick and run. Metatron doesn't hide behind anyone, and he doesn't fly whimp planes.
Some skill in this game is equiptment, (big monitor, pedals etc...) some is experiance.
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It's funny that everyone started calling MetaTron out and then blame him for retaliating. There's furballers for ya!
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MDM, there's a nekked chick on your sig!
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Not anymore! opps
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_116_1067381795.jpg)
It would appear that while we both play AH, we play it very differently.
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LOL, this thread is indeed getting very comical :D! This Metatron fella is hysterical :D! I wonder who's alter ego he is? ;)
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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Originally posted by Rutilant
It's funny that everyone started calling MetaTron out and then blame him for retaliating. There's furballers for ya!
Come RUTT ... read the first post. Looks like he threw the chum into the waters seeing what would come to the surface.
I am sure he got the response that he was looking for and the opportunity to avail himself as the greatest and all-knowing pilot in all of AH.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Come RUTT ... read the first post. Looks like he threw the chum into the waters seeing what would come to the surface.
I am sure he got the response that he was looking for and the opportunity to avail himself as the greatest and all-knowing pilot in all of AH.
He does have a valid point, however. Everyone's constantly whining about "no fights" in pizza, when there quite obiously are.. You just have to fly longer than five minutes to get to them in some cases, and in others the fights are above 10k.. out of the furballer's "comfort zone" where they know thier plane's and evryone else's handing characteristics by heart.
At least, that's my take on it.
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metatard said
" Maybe rude hit it right on the head except its your definition of a fight that is limiting your fun."
No... I would say that you have it backwards....our definition of fun is limiting our fighting.... we won't lfight or look for fights when it isn't fun.
lazs
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Originally posted by Rutilant
He does have a valid point, however.
Somewhere along the way, any valid points he made were lost in a quagmire of self-adulation.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I'm sorry Levi, can you say that again. I was busy adulating myself. :cool:
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Originally posted by Toad
There's the DA, the CT, drinking with friends, fooling with the dogs, chasing the wife around, reading good books... lots of things.
I hope you meant "fooling with the wife, chasing the dogs around" otherwise you're starting to sound like a FDB. ;)
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Originally posted by Toad
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_116_1067381795.jpg)
It would appear that while we both play AH, we play it very differently.
I would say your right. Heres the telling point right here. You die way too often. (http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_178_1067408853.jpg)
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Am I the only one, or does anyone else find it ironic that with stats like his...he points the finger at me as being a cherry picker that always fights from advantage? I would use Lazs's term sky accountant for the type of flying you do, however that would misrepresent accountants everywhere. Their life is far more exciting than the one you have in Aces High.
No wonder you absolutely detest the way I fly. I was one of the few who actually caught up to you to kill ya.
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Originally posted by MetaTron
I would say your right. Heres the telling point right here. You die way too often.
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You confuse a lack of caring for a lack of skill. A common mistake.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Hehe MetaTron!
WTG, nice stats. Sorry about last night. ;) I didn't know it was you, or else I'd have escorted you to safety, using my own plane as a "killshooter shield". :)
Any time now, you will be castigated by the furball whiners for flying "carefully". It is much more cool to die, don't you know. :rolleyes: These are the folks who purport to champion the rights of each player to fly what he wants, how he wants. But when you start to produce evidence as you have which belies their assertions that there are "no fights" on the pizza map, they get all uncomfortable - a sort of virtual ants-in-the-pants - and start redefining what constitutes a fight, and rubbishing any playing style which differs from their own. In their view, a "fight" is only when you're twisting and turning at 6K in a furball frenzy in which you put yourself in danger. The fact that in the real WW2 (an event which is rumoured to have inspired this game) most victims did not see their attacker is lost in the mists of MA gaminess to the nth degree.
But oh! I'm talking about facts and the real WW2 - way off topic in this forum. :lol
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beet1e,
Many of us are voicing similar thoughts. when I did it a little while ago (and trying to be as sarcastic as i can manage) some of the head furballers went off and started some hopeless namecalling.
He compared me to you; the implied disgust hanging thick in the air...
Tell me, how should I feel about that?
;)
(This is all good entertainment, isn't it?)
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the usually my dick is bigger then your dick pissing contest......
you gang up on him and you expect em to bow down.....not gonna happen ladies.:rolleyes:
lots think pizza sucks....LOTS THINK PIZZA IS GREAT.
oh my...a differnet opinion.....you rutabagas gonna gang me now.....i really would like that:cool:
Mt might be wrong about manx ONLY being a Bnz dweeb....i just think he's a dweeb only:rofl
and as usual laz's opinion means absolutly nothing....haven't you learned that by now.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
You confuse a lack of caring for a lack of skill. A common mistake.
-- Todd/Leviathn [/B]
lack of caring.....hmmm...doesn't that = Mindless furballs
lack of SA skills......or lack of patience....hard to tell
no mistake there....mindless is the word
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Geez, Slo's typing in tongues again.
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Originally posted by TheManx
Geez, Slo's typing in tongues again.
tryin to keep it short and sweet...
no long winded chess thumping or gang related typin for me:eek:
I could type it in french for you manx....but are you gonna understand anything.....
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slo... the people who like the pizza map like it because it limits choice.... metatard is saying that it doesn't. he is wrong. his example is that.... if he can find a furball every couple hundred hours or so and take a screenshot then there must be lots of furballs available in pizza.
The universal like of the fester map is because it offers everyone choice.
If you are a late war B&Z sky accountant who takes advantage of every loophole in AH and thinks that patience equals skill.... you will want to have the planes spread out and far from home so that any slower plane than your own can be B&Zed with impunity if you use even a the brains gawd gave gophers and metatards.
even then... if he runs into someone of even beetles skill level (difficult durring the kiddie/euro hours) he will get run down and slaughtered.
If he wouldn't have claimed that the map was full of furballs like the one he showed... he mighta been ok. His gunnery indicates he is shooting people who never even see him... probly have drifted off or in the bathroom or taking out a load of laundry.
people in this game don't think your good because you have a high score or because, While you were engaged with 4 other planes, they zoomed down from their high alt foxhole long enough to get a sissie little kick in and kill ya.... no... they thing you are good here when many have had hard fought fights with ya.. the manx and rude are good.... metatard is a sky accountant... Seems most of the socialists are for some reason.
lazs
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
You confuse a lack of caring for a lack of skill. A common mistake.
-- Todd/Leviathn [/B]
Got that right. My G2 kill stats have tanked since I've started using it as a tool to uncap fields under seige. :p
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Originally posted by SLO
lack of caring.....hmmm...doesn't that = Mindless furballs
lack of SA skills......or lack of patience....hard to tell
no mistake there....mindless is the word
Actually, after I got my 5 kills against Bish jabo fighters, I realized that the mindless part was running down 20k alt heavy P-51s and P-47s while flying a 25k light P-51. My targets had 2 choices: pickle the ord and run like hell, or die. Some tried a third option - evasive - but in the end they died too.
So after I got popped by a bomber's gunner, I upped a G2 and did some fighting low and slow on the deck. I didn't have much success, but I did have a lot more fun.
The 5 kills at 20k really weren't all that challenging and didn't involve much thinking. Trying to keep a 150ias G2 airborne at 1,000 feet and shooting with the nose pointing skyward was much more challenging and required a lot more pilot skill.
So, yeah, there are furballs and you don't have to fly very far, but if you want short hops you gotta be prepared to get pasted and forget about your k/d ratio. It also helps if you bait the enemy into the air first by making a P-51D jabo run over the nearest enemy airfield, then when you get popped, up a 109G and wait for the frivolity to meet you at the half-way point.
SHAMELESS PLUG: Bring the Ki-44 Shoki to Aces High! We need hi-alt interceptors!
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Originally posted by lazs2
If you are a late war B&Z sky accountant who takes advantage of every loophole in AH and thinks that patience equals skill.... you will want to have the planes spread out and far from home so that any slower plane than your own can be B&Zed with impunity if you use even (half of) the brains gawd gave gophers ...
Yeah, that pretty much defines AKDessert. Usually, if I'm on a patrol to an enemy airfield, I'm at 20~25k by the time I'm over the enemy base. Its not such a bad drive in a P-51D, but in a 109G2 or Spitfire V its a real butt-cruncher. I've learned that for a F4U-1D, I shouldn't bring less than 75% gas or I won't be able to bring home any kills I make. AKDessert is a BnZ utopia. Its also a pretty good GV map except for all the bouncy terrain.
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The pizza map made me actually use some of my perks. I got tired of playing dodgeball in early war planes against the courageous and skilled B&Zers so I grabbed a tempest just to run em down. It was a joke. took forever to run one down but when I finally did.... they were the easiest kills I have ever gotten... they were so worried about e and so laking in acm that they died in an eyeblink.... was it fun? no, not at all... boring chase and boring kills. satisfying but not that satisfying. better to just log off and catch up on bills or laundry.
What the sky acccountants don't understand... and I'm letting out the secret here.... is that the furballers consider them to be unskilled... we think they are sky accountants cause they know they wouldn't survive in a real fight.
lazs
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laz laz laz......
calling him names like metatard and sky accountant is not productive......shame you have to stoop so low....but it is expected of ya on this here Board
you are very wrong in your assesment of him.....trust me...he can knife fight down low...with the best in this here arena...including Manx....I'd say 50 50 with any of them
but he PREFERS other tactics.....personnally i don't follow him up when he goes for buffs....but damn if that boy can shot buffs so easily....its fun to watch em do it.
most people think i suck....yet i fight any plane or anyone including the so called best in the arena.....with a 10k tif.
I mostly fly a tif under 15k....get nosebleed over 15k...yet most so called good pilots(crooks) fly over 20k....its a fact.....there perchers......so what.
I've found every fight i wanted to be in on the pizza map.....so has alot of peeps.....
I say the pizza haters are in the minority....
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This "debate" reminds me of those beer commercials - "Less Filling!" "Taste Great!". The chicks fighting was more fun to watch though
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What's humorous to me about all of this, is I'm probably one of the few here who has lived by both schools of thought.
I flew for years like the Meta and Beetle...high K/D's brought on only becuase I never took unnecessary risks. The 13th used to fly that way...if winning the squad duel awhile back means anything, we kinda knew what we were doing.
About a year ago, I realized that I didn't have the skillset necessary to deal with DISadvantage...only real option for me was to run and hope to separate to re-engage on my terms....that bothered me.
So, I begin to fight in the weeds and solicit the help of the skilled pilots in this game to help me learn how to really fight, not just get kills and a high K/D. The 13th has also followed that doctrine.
Now, the guys like Beetle and Met tell us all how it is like they really know something...all the while speaking only from a singular point of view...that of the cherry picker.
Not one of them could survive a good one v one encounter with anyone here who understands the turnfight. Still, we should all bow down to the masterful scorehounds as they most certainly know more of what it takes to actually beat someone.
I suppose you guys should continue to fly as you wish to....just understand, that we also will continue to do what we enjoy and all the while still view you girls as Women With Wings.
As to Meta....talk is cheap pal....as you seem to have a wealth of speech to share with all of us.
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sorry slo... I'm gonna have to take manx's assesment of metatards skills over your's. I don't think you are really capable of judging. Wow! you go all the way down to 10K in your helpless slow tiffie! man... if you don't keep your speed up there might be a plane or two that could catch ya... better watch out.
Rude is saying it best... I used to complain that when his squad was doing co-ordinated B&Z it was no fun to be in early war planes. Really... not much you can do against a flock of 51's all keeping their speed up.... it wasn't fun to fight em.... they finally decided it wasn't all that fun to be them.... most sky accountants eventually realize that.
The 13th is a blast to fight now.... no one ever says how much fun it is to fight a sky accountant.... even metatards "priase" of beetle for killing him was a sour grape.... kinda.... "I was holding off a hole horde of players with my great skill till you ruined it" kinda praise.
If it wasn't so boring I would grab a tempest and run down a few more sky accountants... better to just ignore them tho like everyone else does and have fun.
lazs
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Show me one camp you had a high k/d in Rude. Talk is cheap.
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Originally posted by MetaTron
Show me one camp you had a high k/d in Rude. Talk is cheap.
K/D is, like any other statistic that AH tracks, only a potential measure of skill. Possessing a high K/D may indicate skill but not necessarily. By the same token, a low K/D does not necessarily indicate a lack of skill.
Someone could be the best pilot to ever grace the virtual skies, but if he routinely tries to up from vulched bases, he's going to have a much lower K/D ratio than someone of substantially lower skill who flies very cautiously. By the same token, the guy with the high K/D ratio could be quite a bit better than the guy with a low one.
So for the love of God, stop comparing your virtual noodle size, MetaTron. Nobody cares because just about everyone here realizes that stats or ranking rarely reflect abilities.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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So... rude... just to sumarize:
The 13th has gone from one extreme to the other but choses to behave the exact way when defending their flying style.
Gotcha.
MiniD
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Originally posted by lazs2
boring chase and boring kills. satisfying but not that satisfying. better to just log off and catch up on bills or laundry.
Lazs, that’s my feeling about furballing. I’m not saying you’re wrong or that I’m right – or vice-versa. Just different. To each his own.
Originally posted by Rude
Now, the guys like Beetle and Met tell us all how it is like they really know something...all the while speaking only from a singular point of view...that of the cherry picker.
Not one of them could survive a good one v one encounter with anyone here who understands the turnfight. Still, we should all bow down to the masterful scorehounds as they most certainly know more of what it takes to actually beat someone.
I suppose you guys should continue to fly as you wish to....just understand, that we also will continue to do what we enjoy and all the while still view you girls as Women With Wings.
See what I mean? From the very squad whose mantra runs along the lines of ”fly what you like, like what you fly, don’t worry about what the other guy flies”, and all that baloney about “more choices for everyone”, comes this virtual panty wetting from Rude. It was he I had in mind when I warned that individual playing styles would be rubbished if they differed from those of guys like Rude and the other vociferous lackeys of the furball movement. And here is the proof. They say one thing, but do another. They’ll say “fly how you like” etc. – but when you DO that, and when you DO exercise the plethora of choices available to you in this game, and when you DO fly differently from them, you get insulted, and castigated along the lines of women with wings, masterful scorehounds etc. So much for all those choices.
Rude, I thought I liked you, but I’m beginning to see you and your ilk as hypocrisy personified. More choices? Yeah, right. So long as we make a selection from your subset of choices. :rolleyes:
Now get to the bathroom to wring out your panties, and get a grip. QWW week will come around soon enough. My laundry basket will be full by then.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
So for the love of God, stop comparing your virtual noodle size, MetaTron. -- Todd/Leviathn
Funny you should go to that. noodle envy huh? Sorry for you.
I checked your stats as far back as tour 32 and the more you fly the less you land. I can see how you would react the way you do. Same goes for rude whos crowning achievement seems to be a k/d of 10. Im impressed.:rolleyes:
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I have a K/d of 1.. am i cool too? :D
(Edit) Actually, i justed checked.. it's 2! :eek:
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Originally posted by Rutilant
I have a K/d of 1.. am i cool too? :D
(Edit) Actually, i justed checked.. it's 2! :eek:
Yup... You can be Cool Too! :)
I just wanted to post in the thread, God Iv been laughing for a while now ready the posts! I wonder if it will get locked....
I can only think of one time, I might have crossed Metatron. He bested me right away. I dove down to miss his face shooting, but too late and he clip off most the tail. Then my squadie chased him around and he wouldnt engage.
Does that make him good or bad, ::shrug:: He is doing his thing for $15 a month, just as the rest of us.
Pizza is by far the my least favorite map. Its like fighting out of Denver. Many of the fields are 1-2 miles above SL. Maybe if they Squished it, changed most of the GV fields to Airfeilds and tighted it up a little it would be better. Trinity is still my fav, but FesterMA is good too.
OK, My K/D is over 1, Does that make me cool too????
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Wrong, you were at 25k in P51B and I was at 22k in a 109g10. You were the third plane I attacked out of a group of thirty there. I climbed up to you where you broke low to the right and I cut your tail off. It wasnt anywhere near HO. If anything I was maybe 70 degrees off a direct 6 shot. You called for your squaddies to kill me and stubbornly stayed in your plane while the fight went on. I already had another three guys dead when I finally got your kill.
Your squaddy was in a heavy and slow moving plane and never scored a hit and didnt have a chance of doing so. In all fairness there were a few other bishops that high but it was you rooks that were from 25-35k. I didnt run I climbed to engage.
In fact the second screenshot I posted is the sector I killed you in.
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well metatard... not really fair to compare the skills of a real acm expert like yourself with the worst players in the game like dead man flying or drex or somebody... they haven't garnered the well earned respect that you have from other players.... probly never will.
beetle, I agree... we have different objectives.... we are not saying that you can't fly the fastest planes or that you be penalized for cherry picking or that you lose perks for less than a certain kills per hour or for playing during kiddie/euro hours.... we don't really care that meta does that. We simply want a map that give EVERYONE a choice... a map like festers doesn't take anything away from you or meta.... you can still climb to 30k or hide all nite without seeing another plane... it limits you in no way.... the pizza abortion does limit the usefulness of early war planes and makes it difficult for a furball to start or sustain.
but beetle... come on... admit it.... you cringed when metatard was comparing himself to DMF tho didn't ya?
lazs
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Well we made it 130 posts before someone mentioned drex. Imagine that! And its so on topic too. Lets see how exactly does drex feel about the pizza map?
Doesnt matter. I bet he couldnt find a fight there either.
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Originally posted by Grimm
I can only think of one time, I might have crossed Metatron. He bested me right away.
The only time(s) I remember crossing Metatron was when he was spawn camping in a Tiger on Fester's map. I upped (edit: it was 6 or 7) times in a Panzer and tried to clear him, then decided to just pop smoke and force him to move. Right about then one of my countrymen showed up in a B-26, used my smoke as a marker, and he moved back to his hangar. Not long afterwards, he showed up in a Bish Typhoon while I was in a C-47.
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Originally posted by Mini D
So... rude... just to sumarize:
The 13th has gone from one extreme to the other but choses to behave the exact way when defending their flying style.
Gotcha.
MiniD
Absolutely:)
If ya don't fly my way yur a dweeb
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_150_1067458238.jpg)
:rofl
when did voss sneak back in?
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Song time?
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Originally posted by MetaTron
Funny you should go to that. noodle envy huh? Sorry for you.
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I'm trying to do you a favor, MetaTron. The more you talk, the worse you look. The more you wag your virtual noodle around for everyone to see, the more and more like a complete fool you appear to everyone.
I checked your stats as far back as tour 32 and the more you fly the less you land. I can see how you would react the way you do. Same goes for rude whos crowning achievement seems to be a k/d of 10. Im impressed.:rolleyes:
I wonder if those stats include the times I intentionally killshooter myself on squadmates out of boredom. Or auger intentionally to go find a better fight. Or put myself at a disadvantage against great odds because it seems like the thing to do. The stats tell you nothing, of course, other than the fact that I don't care very much about stats.
Hey, the game's about having fun. I don't begrudge the way you fly one bit because that's fun to you. However, to attribute some level of skill based on stats that result from dramatically different flying styles displays ignorance.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I wonder if those stats include the times I intentionally killshooter myself on squadmates out of boredom. Or auger intentionally to go find a better fight. Or put myself at a disadvantage against great odds because it seems like the thing to do. The stats tell you nothing, of course, other than the fact that I don't care very much about stats.
Its true, I've seen him do it.
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Well Todd you read what you want out of it. The point is only a fool cant find a fight on a map populated with fights.
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Originally posted by MetaTron
Well Todd you read what you want out of it. The point is only a fool cant find a fight on a map populated with fights.
That was your original point, but it got lost in the sea of chest thumping afterwards. I don't see how declaring that I have noodle envy strengthens your argument.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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LMAO :rofl :rofl
...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Who knew so much virtual noodle comparing was possible in one thread, let alone from one man?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Yes, And sometimes you don't.
...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~
Originally posted by lazs2
yeah gixer... you gotta be pretty skilled to survive that dangerous high speed pass on spitfires with a G10 or tiffie... Sometimes you have less than 100mph speed advantage....
lazs
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I wonder if those stats include the times I intentionally killshooter myself on squadmates out of boredom. Or auger intentionally to go find a better fight. Or put myself at a disadvantage against great odds because it seems like the thing to do. The stats tell you nothing, of course, other than the fact that I don't care very much about stats.
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Ya, hes done the same to me... A swell lil funny thread here. But, way back up when megatron was comparing stats, did he mean to use Toad's stats and not Todd's(levi)???? Maybe i should have started reading sooner in the thread and i missed.
Sky accountants?? too damn funny!!! What they may or may not realize is that most any furballer can and has flown in the weak, dweebish, boring 25k jump the first nonsuspecting bogey and then run away. Even the best furballers started somewhere... And it prolly wasnt in the middle of a furball. Perhaps the answer to the enigma is that these 'sky accounts' have not yet evolved to the level of being able to handle a fight and live furball scenerio. Thus, they are still happy with 1-3 kills/flight/100% fuel load. The difference is a mere state of mind.
O ya.........
da PIZZA map sucksass because of lack of fights/ bad color/ and terrible alts
k
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
That was your original point, but it got lost in the sea of chest thumping afterwards. I don't see how declaring that I have noodle envy strengthens your argument.
-- Todd/Leviathn
I dont see that you have any argument at all except for your own chest thumping. Did you say anything relevant?
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Metatron:
Leviathn hit the nail on the head. Whatever point you were trying to make is getting lost in your self worship. Too much noise and not enough signal. Lower the noise and you might get a better reception.
2ndly in trying to gain respect I think you're losing it. Anyone who thinks respect is earned by stats or scores is showing their ignorance. Everyone know's the respect that really means anything is not how good you think you are but how good others think you are. Think about it. Your premise seems to be "you guys don't know what you are talking about because I'm so much superior to you". How ludicrous does that sound?
3rdly let's not do a retread of realism vs. gameplay. We've been down that merry-go-around way too many times! It's not a realism vs. gameplay issue, it's a gameplay vs. gameplay issue.
And finally I don't complain about the maps. I take what they give me and adjust my gameplay to the map. However if you were to ask me, the map that I like the least is Pizza for a lot of the same reasons everyone else has mentioned. See it the way you like, but it's pretty foolish to discount and ignore the experiences of others.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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So, who is Metatron?
...still my favorite.
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Originally posted by Furious
So, who is Metatron?
Metatron is an Archangel and a Seraphim who sits beside God... the voice of God...
as if...
[size=10] Voss[/size]
... and if anything he's gotten more timid in his flying... tour 32 (Voss) 6.84 k/t in ftr - tour 45 (metatron) 3.42 k/t in ftr; exactly twice as timid for comparable stats. you doubt me? check the score/stats pages, it jumps right out at you.
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well metatard... not really fair to compare the skills of a real acm expert like yourself with the worst players in the game like dead man flying or drex or somebody... they haven't garnered the well earned respect that you have from other players.... probly never will. :rofl :rofl :rofl
Metatron you are saying Manx isnt anygood? :rofl :rofl
Manx is one of the best flight sim pilots I have ever seen. His ability to adapt to new flight models and gunnery models astounds me. I too can adapt, it just takes me alot longer :lol Some of my most vivid memories of fights in flight sims are ones vs Manx, especially one in Air Warrior. We dueled (after I shot him down when I had a significant advantage. Was a really sweet 700 yd shot :D ) he was in a Mustang I was in my Hog, if someone from my country hadnt come along and killed Manx I would have died. :eek:
*edit* whoops....forgot to use the quote tool thingie when I quoted Lazs. First part of the post is a quote from ...you guessed it...Lazs:lol
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Lol Todd, you have succeeded in the intentional killshooting thing? I have tried to fly in front of you to get you killed but never had any luck, remember that? fun stuff. Tell me the secret.
Rude and Toad, now I know why our little discussion in the other thread ended, it was sooooo boring compared to this... in!
Although I am too lazy to take my pony up past around 10k-12k, Rude says I am a sky accountant so my opinion may be totally wrong since I don't fit in with the "cool" guys of AH, the pure furballers.
Flying to survive is challenging and, contrary to the postulations of the cool guys, it does require skill. I think Rude said it best when he described his thoughts on his skill set being less than complete at the time he was a pure BnZ guy. I am going through that now. Since spending some time furballing, I fly lower, and will engage and fight higher opponents.. blah blah blah. Results: I have more fun in the pony now although it isn't the same as getting in the weeds and gettting twisty in my FM2 of doooooom (my own).
My official thanks to Toad, Slap, Todd, and Lazs for getting me to try the low down dirty furball...it's a blast.
Metatron, I'm somewhat bewildered that I've never run into you in the skies, oh well... coincidence. also, I don't fly much when pizza is up... I hate the map.
Anyway Metatron, I could fly around and have a K/D of 100/1 or so and would enjoy the challenge of surviving, but it wouldn't match the pure fun of flying around the weeds, whacking and getting whacked(for me anyway). Try it dude, it will make you a better pilot, give you some good laughs, and you'll probably have a ball in spite of your survival instincts. :cool:
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Shane is that a RL pic of yourself? If so, it's not at all what I imagined you might look like :rofl
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Originally posted by Elfie
Shane is that a RL pic of yourself? If so, it's not at all what I imagined you might look like :rofl
of course not...
please keep your sick perverted fantasies to yourself.
:eek:
:aok
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Originally posted by MetaTron
I dont see that you have any argument at all except for your own chest thumping. Did you say anything relevant?
I haven't thumped my chest at all in this thread. Not once did I point to my stats or your stats to make a point in this thread. I did provide a cautionary statement about using K/D to measure skill, but that was directed generally and not to you specifically.
What I have done was post a reply on the first page where I basically stated that Fester's map does not provide more frequent good fights than Pizza or Trinity or any other Big Maps, but that the reduced time to the fights makes them preferable. In other words, I didn't even disagree with your original point, nor did I attack you, and yet any good points made by you or me or anyone else was lost once you went into psychotic chest thumper mode.
Again, by becoming so defensive and rank/stats conscious in this thread, you've done more damage to your reputation in the game than good. To top it off, your original point became lost in the circus freak show you've created. Do you fail to see this?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Steve
Lol Todd, you have succeeded in the intentional killshooting thing? I have tried to fly in front of you to get you killed but never had any luck, remember that? fun stuff. Tell me the secret.
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Nah, I'm talking about me trying to shoot down my teammates and failing.
Though the key to getting a countryman (or preferably a squadmate) to killshooter on you is to get in really, really close to a bandit (like 30-50 yards off his six) and then kick the rudder and twirl the stick around a bit. If there's a crowd of guys behind you firing blindly at the enemy, the chances are pretty good one of them's going to hit you instead. :D
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by MetaTron
Wrong, you were at 25k in P51B and I was at 22k in a 109g10.
Wow... I can see people seeing things a little differently from different points of view.. but your account strikes me as a bit delusional or confused. Not worth the effort here...
[edit added] BTW... It was a good shot, no matter the perception.
Time to just pull up a Chair... Beer anyone?
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Originally posted by MetaTron
Show me one camp you had a high k/d in Rude. Talk is cheap.
Look it up yourself hotshot...last time I checked my time was my own.
Let me guess...your k/d is a product of flying fighters or floatin ina boat? Maybe rollin around in a GV?
Toad called ya out last night only to find you not answering him, all the while, floatin ina boat paddin you score.
Not very impressive...kinda cute in a playful way, but still, not much of a display of your self ordained elite fighter skills.
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Originally posted by Mini D
So... rude... just to sumarize:
The 13th has gone from one extreme to the other but choses to behave the exact way when defending their flying style.
Gotcha.
MiniD
Yup....I have seen the light my brother....have been on both sides of the street. The men with the biggest nads fight in the weeds....those who scan the heavens are nothing more than ballerina's who from time to time have a nut drop and make a pass on usually a buff or C-47:)
I've always been for folks doin what makes them happy....but when someone with only b/z skills tells us all how it is and brags about what little skill they have, it usually catches my attention for an afternoon or two.
Cyas Up!
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Rude, I thought I liked you, but I’m beginning to see you and your ilk as hypocrisy personified. More choices? Yeah, right. So long as we make a selection from your subset of choices.
Calm down Beetle...once I saw your pic, I know you and I would would enjoy each others company:)
This is not about what you do or what I do, but rather about this cute little fella Meta and his bold skillset and years of experience, telling many here just how it is supposed to go.
(Pssssttt....listen up....I'm really kinda enjoying this thread as my days of late have been filled with far too much seriousness...try to play along will ya?)
Meta is a girlscout plain and simple....of course he could be Voss, but I doubt it.
In closing, I have learned of his secret place known only by himself and his fellow girlscouts.
Meta's Secret Place (http://jfg.girlscouts.org/mainmenu/main.html)
:D
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Yup....I have seen the light my brother....have been on both sides of the street.
Probably time to stop standing on the side of the street and start thinking about getting into the race.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
Probably time to stop standing on the side of the street and start thinking about getting into the race.
MiniD
and that race would be?
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Originally posted by beet1e
From the very squad whose mantra runs along the lines of ”fly what you like, like what you fly, don’t worry about what the other guy flies”,
The actual squad motto is "No mercy asked, none given."
The fly what you like is mine, Mine, ALL MINE! Although I did sort of copy it from the head of crew sked who used to put "bid what you like, like what you bid" on every system bid.
They say one thing, but do another.
Not at all. I know it hurts you to hear this, but we REALLY don't give a fig how you fly or what you fly. If you want to fly high and careful, good for you. You're certainly no threat to us; oh, you may scream down and nail us when we're already engaged with a few other bandits, but it's like getting hit by lightning. Usually just bad luck and plenty rare.
We fly the way we like and really enjoy it. We hope you fly the way you like and enjoy it too.
DO exercise the plethora of choices available to you in this game, and when you DO fly differently from them, you get insulted, and castigated along the lines of women with wings, masterful scorehounds etc. So much for all those choices.
I believe there's a misperception on your part. Again, we're glad you have all those choices and we're glad we have choices that suit us. It's all good.
However, that DOES NOT mean we respect your mad l33t sKillZZZ. We merely respect your right to make those choices and enjoy them. It absolutely DOES NOT mean that we're not going to laugh at your choices and the "styles" that result.
It does not mean that we're not going to hoot with laughter when some cautious cherry-picker type (not pointing any fingers here) trots out his Mah-vel-luss K/D stats.
Respect? Respect for me is pretty simple. I figure I'm supposed to win the fights where I have the advantage. I really respect the guys that beat the cr p out of me when I have the advantage. Yeah, there's LOTS of them. ;)
I am most happy when I win from a disadvantage.
Some guy that nails me from a high perch when I'm already engaged with two bandits and holding my own? Just an unfortunate thing, like a lightning strike; just bad luck.
Hope all this helps clear things up.
Oh, yeah.. btw.. glad to read you finally figured out the MA is not WW2. It never was meant to be WW2. It was simply supposed to offer prop ACM using WW2 aircraft. Well, back in the brown shoe days, that was the goal anyway.
Shane... yeah, I've been thinking "so THAT'S where Voss went" for most of this thread. I think you are spot on.
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Originally posted by Rude
and that race would be?
Ah.. sorry... forgot you guys have forgotten...
Shut up and fly.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Rude
Meta is a girlscout plain and simple....of course he could be Voss, but I doubt it.
you dare to question my deduction?!? :confused: :mad:
compare voss tour 32 stats/scores with metatron tour 45... uncanny. it really jumps out at you when you compare rides/kills in which vehicles. he's being more careful as this is a new account and he has to rebuild his perkies and not lose them, hence the 2x less k/t.
the chest thumping, "look at meeeeeee, recognize my greatness! respect mah au-thor-i-tay!"
the talking at instead of to with that knowiler than thou 'tude...
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Originally posted by Mini D
Ah.. sorry... forgot you guys have forgotten...
Shut up and fly.
MiniD
You mean Nascar 04?
I checked it out and bought it...there is a little gadget that will allow me to use the PS2 controllers thru a USB port on my PC....will that work ok?
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Originally posted by Shane
you dare to question my deduction?!? :confused: :mad:
compare voss tour 32 stats/scores with metatron tour 45... uncanny. it really jumps out at you when you compare rides/kills in which vehicles. he's being more careful as this is a new account and he has to rebuild his perkies and not lose them, hence the 2x less k/t.
the chest thumping, "look at meeeeeee, recognize my greatness! respect mah au-thor-i-ty!"
the talking at instead of to with that knowiler than thou 'tude...
Stop it!!!
You're givin me the CREEPS!!!
:)
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Thought it was Voss to start with but has metatard ever whined for half an hour on chan 1 about getting ganged by more than one plane at a time?
And Shane I believe it is "Respect mah au-thor-i-tay!" ;)
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If it's Cartman I hear it as: Respect Mah Auth-or-i-tah!
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Can't believe how much I hear "skill" associated with a video game.
Relax, it's a video game.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Can't believe how much I hear "skill" associated with a video game.
as opposed to "skill" at say... golf, bowling, football, pool, nascar, poker or baseball, etc. etc.?
:confused:
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I have absolutely nothing to contribute..
But I'm in.
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Originally posted by Rude
Look it up yourself hotshot...last time I checked my time was my own.
Let me guess...your k/d is a product of flying fighters or floatin ina boat? Maybe rollin around in a GV?
Toad called ya out last night only to find you not answering him, all the while, floatin ina boat paddin you score.
Not very impressive...kinda cute in a playful way, but still, not much of a display of your self ordained elite fighter skills.
I looked it up. Neither you nor Toad has ever had much of a k/d but I can see now that you professional flight sim guys tend to think of high k/d in a diffrent light. So what Ive done isnt impressive to you. Ill keep it going anyway. My dollars and all.
As far as calling me out I saw the cv under a elevated field. Three bishops in view and ten knights. Yeah looked like a lot of fun. I went back to the twenty versus twenty fight. More even odds which may contrast with your desire to be at a disadvantage but thats just stupid by my way of thinking. I dont think you can pad your score from a boat but maybe you know something I dont. So you use the spy account thing too? Intersting.
Someday you will have to show me what your elite skills are like. I outlined all Ive seen out of you. It was interesting fun the first time and a lack of a challange the second. Then I read your arrogance on the bbs and it makes you look bad. Maybe these other guys know you better but I see it diferent. All the negative attitudes in this thread about cant find a fight and how your methods are more fun and everything else is boring stinks of arrogance.
Pay your money play your game thats toads is it? Funny sounds like something he said once and then you all deride anyone that tries. The game is fun any way you choose to play it. The thirty of you or so that posted a dislike for pizza map shouldnt control whether the map goes or stays. Its a fun map to a lot of people I hear from online. Id like to see the owners post a pole online. I saw maybe 1500 had logged in until the pizza map rolled in and then the number soared to over 3400. Maybe Im reading the score page wrong but thats the way I read it.
Todd or leviathn what you think of as a bad reputation is your perception. Alot more people read this than post here and alot have told me contrary to what you say. Someone that has the gall to post contrary to the established pecking order apparently does get respect to some degree. So no I dont respect your pecking order. To my way of thinking flying often and dying just as often is stupid. It goes against every common sense view point you could have considering air combat. So whether the game rewards living or not thats my game. Those of the elite I dont care for your respect. Its misdirected.
You want to fly stupid go ahead.
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Nope, not much of a K/D here. Probably about 2/1? Just a guess. Check my score in GV's too! :rofl
If HT put it in the game he must have meant for someone to do it or be allowed to do it. So if you want to spawn camp a Tiger or be a high-alt pilot that avoids risk at all costs it's sure OK by me. As I mentioned to Beet though, that doesn't generate any awe or respect on this end. In fact, I think that stuff is a laughable waste of time. But that's just my opinion.
I'm impressed by and respect folks that routinely and easily kill their opponents when fighting at a distinct disadvantage. THAT is what impresses me. And you know what? Most of the player base instantly recognizes these folks and the ability they display as clearly superior. All without anyone having to toot their own horns or trot out their Mah-vel-lusssss K/D.
But anyway, welcome back Voss. Knew you'd show up sooner or later.
Oh, yeah.. what's numbers got to do with anything? Lots of bad guys is just a target rich environment. Three spits on your six is better than no spits at all.
:D
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"As far as calling me out I saw the cv under a elevated field. Three bishops in view and ten knights. Yeah looked like a lot of fun. I went back to the twenty versus twenty fight. More even odds which may contrast with your desire to be at a disadvantage but thats just stupid by my way of thinking."
Yeah right ... There were 2 CVs there and both were spewing out Spits, Zekes, Corsairs, Hellcats, and Wildcats like ants out of an ant hill. We were also being attacked from the west at the same time.
It would have been SAFE for you to launch and get some altitude and try to get into the mix. We WERE hoping that you would show and give us a sample of your elite skills, but I guess it was too much for you to handle and put that amazing K/D in jeopardy.
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"BY THEIR DEEDS YE SHALL KNOW THEM"
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_116_1067479961.gif)
Inspector Shane, you may take Inspector Clouseau's office! We shall double your pay!
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Wow Toad! Interesting indeed!
Voss is that you??? You should know better ;).
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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Originally posted by Rude
About a year ago, I realized that I didn't have the skillset necessary to deal with DISadvantage...only real option for me was to run and hope to separate to re-engage on my terms....that bothered me.
So, I begin to fight in the weeds and solicit the help of the skilled pilots in this game to help me learn how to really fight, not just get kills and a high K/D. The 13th has also followed that doctrine.
How interesting. You just put to words what I felt, but couldn't really define. I know the "correct" way to fly, but it doesn't help when I get bounced --I usually end up biting it.
Lately, I've been sending my p38 into low and slow carrier fights. I just try to find SlapShot, he's usually got a nice hot spot. My SA has improved, my ACM has improved, and, funny enough, I've been having more fun.
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That is an interesting similarity toad but I bet you could find more than a dozen in the top 100 that are closer. I doubt voss ever ha anything like my success rate and probably couldnt shoot any better then your buddy rude.
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And then there was GPreddy ... he came onto the scene at Tour 34 (when Voss disappeared :eek: ).
GPreddy felt it was his honorable duty to protect CV groups, much the same as MetaTron feels that it is his honorable duty to protect HQ for the sake of the country.
hmmm ... numbers look familar ?
(http://pages.cthome.net/crzn22/Misc/gpreddy.jpg)
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Originally posted by MetaTron
Todd or leviathn what you think of as a bad reputation is your perception. Alot more people read this than post here and alot have told me contrary to what you say.
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And oddly, a lot more than who post here have told me that they think you're acting immature and retarded.
Someone that has the gall to post contrary to the established pecking order apparently does get respect to some degree. So no I dont respect your pecking order.
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Pecking order? LOL. You act as if there's some vast conspiracy out to get you. Stop thumping your chest, stop comparing your K/D ratio to others, stop trying to pick fights, and stop trying to measure your skill in the game by stats or ranks... then nobody would think you're acting immature and foolish here no matter how you fly.
If acting like an egotistical poor sport pits you against the "established pecking order," then color me the establishment.
To my way of thinking flying often and dying just as often is stupid. It goes against every common sense view point you could have considering air combat. So whether the game rewards living or not thats my game. Those of the elite I dont care for your respect. Its misdirected.
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Oh, I would say that you absolutely care. The fact that you keep posting here shows me that you do. The fact that you feel the need to defend your behavior shows me that you do.
Look, I don't care how you fly. To my view, spawn camping and cherry picking are just as unrealistic as furballing -- and many times even more so. To attribute some historical character to the way people fly in this game is silly. Pilots flew to complete their missions; what's your mission other than survival?
You want to fly stupid go ahead.
I don't fly "smart" because it bores me. I don't pay for or play games that bore me. It's a really simple calculus.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Todd you are one immature individual. I bet the sound of flesh slapping flesh accompanies you to every bathroom stall you visit.
Enjoy your game time.
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Well, he sure insults like Voss.
(http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/Parks/hawaii/recent_events/scorpion2.gif)
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Originally posted by mos
How interesting. You just put to words what I felt, but couldn't really define. I know the "correct" way to fly, but it doesn't help when I get bounced --I usually end up biting it.
Lately, I've been sending my p38 into low and slow carrier fights. I just try to find SlapShot, he's usually got a nice hot spot. My SA has improved, my ACM has improved, and, funny enough, I've been having more fun.
Welcome to the land of milk and honey:)
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Originally posted by MetaTron
Todd you are one immature individual. I bet the sound of flesh slapping flesh accompanies you to every bathroom stall you visit.
Enjoy your game time.
Todd's a nice guy...well sometimes.:)
Would you be willing to pit your skills against any of us in the DA or the MA in a 1v1 Mr. Metatron...or should we just take your word that your a stallion?
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Originally posted by MetaTron
Todd you are one immature individual. I bet the sound of flesh slapping flesh accompanies you to every bathroom stall you visit.
Enjoy your game time.
Interesting. I've attempted to be reasonable with you, and here you go. I'm sure your staunch private defenders will reassure you that this was the proper response.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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this thread rocks.
took a while to wade through all the posts, but some very nice evidence has surfaced!
nice find on the stats Toad/Shane =] What made you want to look in the first place?
and Levi, I think he damaged himself enough. I dont think you can make your argument any clearer than it is. I doubt he'll understand :) You could say he's a bit of a narcissist? Deserving of respect... BECAUSE MY STATS PROVE IT... from my own universal standard i have just created!! Paranoid? He's creating a pecking order in his mind. Funny! nah, sad :)
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I so very much want to in on this... but you guys have it so well covered that I can be content to watch from the sidelines.
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"What made you want to look in the first place? "
He can change his name all he wants ... his bloated ego and arrogance always gives it away.
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Y'all are simply not appreciating what Voss has to offer.
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a decent stick with a mix of arrogance and egotistical behavior? :cool:
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Heya voss.
How's that terrain coming? How about that new Cripes-a-Mighty skin?
...and the 3d utility for the rapid testing of aircraft textures?
BTW POVray is still a POS.
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Erm... originally posted by Mr. Toad
However, that DOES NOT mean we respect your mad l33t sKillZZZ. We merely respect your right to make those choices and enjoy them. It absolutely DOES NOT mean that we're not going to laugh at your choices and the "styles" that result.
That’s not what came over at all. There is a difference between what you said above, and posting insults and name calling on the BBS when someone doesn't play your way. Too bad if you don’t know what that difference is, but it seems you’re not alone. Of course I realise that people not playing your way is a thorn in your side. :D
As for AH’s declared intent – an air combat sim – erm... the buffs have always been in there. Indeed, my very first kill on a trial account c1999 was a 2-ping hit on the tail of a B17. Down he went... On the HTC home page, the caption is Welcome to the Internet’s Premier WWII Combat Experience! and not "Welcome to the Furball Club". One assumes that “combat” includes exchanges between bombers and fighters, and this was certainly a major component in the Battle of Britain, for example, in which the LW sent waves of bombers across the channel with Me109 escorts. Oddly enough, Goering did NOT send waves of Me109s to furball with Spitfires. There would have been no point. And that's the same reason that I don't play the furball game in Aces High.
But feel free to do what Rude does. Next time you see something in AH that you don't agree with (eg. your personal bogeyman, the impregnable pintle gunner on a PNZR) add justification to your argument to have the game changed by citing that the scenario "would not have occurred in WW2". That always cracks me up. Selective Realism™ at work... :lol
So yes, I’ll be at 15-20K – in fact I was up there duffing buffs the other night, during MetaTron’s raid on Rook HQ. If anyone thinks that’s a non-skilled job they should try it out for themselves instead of calling us sky accountants.
Some furballer’s act like a bunch of poison dwarfs. They whine if a raid on HQ takes down the radar for their country, but pour scorn on those who take measures to prevent it from happening. :rolleyes:
MetaTron – it was a good raid you guys did. I have the film of the whole thing as seen from Rook eyes, including the voxx exchanges and the wet hanky moment. :( I arrived on the scene after taking down a B17 formation. You guys fought hard, and you yourself were the last one to fall. But tsk tsk for being caught in an easymode plane. ;) I’ll email it to you if you want it.
Originally posted by lazs2
What the sky acccountants don't understand... and I'm letting out the secret here.... is that the furballers consider them to be unskilled... we think they are sky accountants cause they know they wouldn't survive in a real fight.
lazs
What you don’t understand (and it's no secret at all) is that the non-furballers don’t care what you think of us! That's not the same as relishing BBS insults though.
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Originally posted by lazs2
sorry slo... I'm gonna have to take manx's assesment of metatards skills over your's. I don't think you are really capable of judging. Wow! you go all the way down to 10K in your helpless slow tiffie! man... if you don't keep your speed up there might be a plane or two that could catch ya... better watch out.
see this is where your big mouth comes in.......even at a disadvantage....most get killed....something you don't know....but my squaddies do....they see me do it all the time:D
as for manx...he knows exactly WHO I am.....and he knows exactly where I fly.
but your stupid remark about letting manx opinion of his flying over mine....is kinda stupid....see I fly with MT...I see HOW he flies....yet your dumbprettythang attitude persists in making you put your foot in your mouth....
Oh and BTW.....13th TAS guys....rude dude...Toad...slapchit....you guys gots to be the funniest of the lot......ya'll suck candyprettythanges.
I'll be in the MA probable taking your bases while you go mindless furballing....keep it up:aok
Oh and BTW.....sorry this Drex or levi fellows DO NOT have my respect...never fought em...don't know who they are....yet from some.....they deserve my respect......gimme a break you bunch of girly scouts....like i'm supposed to be scared of a turning spit5.
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Originally posted by Shane
as opposed to "skill" at say... golf, bowling, football, pool, nascar, poker or baseball, etc. etc.?
:confused:
If you mean video golf, bowling, football, pool, nascar, poker or baseball, then yeah, I guess.
I can deek Jamr Jagr on EA hockey. It doesn't make me a skilled hockey player, but maybe a good gamer.
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Twist it any way you like, Beet. You always do and it always makes you look silly.
Did you know they changed the write up on the HTC homepage? Long before you got here too, but long after the game went public too.
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Originally posted by SLO
I'll be in the MA probable taking your bases while you go mindless furballing....keep it up:aok
Oh No! Puhleez Mistah Slo! Not our BASES! Think of the children! Don't take our BASES!!! The horror, the sadness, the angst, the suicides, the drug addictions!
Ya just can't be that MEAN Mistah Slo! Doan take our BASES!
Hey, after you win the war, receive the thanks of a grateful nation, the Hawaiian vacation and THE NEW CAAAAR!!!!!
Does the game reset and we get bases again?
Oh... it does?
Nevermind.
:rofl
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Oh noooooo.... slo will be (gasp) "taking" our bases! We might even.... horror of horrors... lose the war! There is even a slight chance someone will notice.
look... I agree with DMF that stats mean nothing if you don't know what the person is trying to accomplish.... if every person here said... "let's see how anal we can get and see who can get the highest K/D ratio"... then, K/D would mean something same for K/S or gunnery or score but.... as DMF points out... we are all doing different things.
There is one stat tho that has meaning no matter what you are doing.... it has meaning in the context of one map being more action packed than antother and it also tells what kind of fight a person likes... That is K/H... better would be "fights per hour" but K/H is workable if yu know the persons K/D. K/H is germain to this disscussion.
as for drex... As the Public Relations Officer for the BK's. I will speak for drex.... he thinks the pizza map sucks.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
ya gotta admit... festers map fixed the BB
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"I'll be in the MA probable taking your bases while you go mindless furballing....keep it up"
SLO ....
OH THE HORROR !!!!
I won't be able to sleep tonight knowing that you will be taking some of our bases.
Oh ... and nice variation on my handle ... must have taken a lot of thought to come up with that one.
I take extreme offense at people changing my handle with a derogatory intent. I am so upset right now that I think I won't be able to concentrate all day so I must go ask my boss if I can take the rest of the day off.
PLEASE don't make fun of me anymore ... :rofl
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Oh.. and steve... do me a favor and go up and slaughter this clown a few dozen times or at least get him low and slow down there with me so that I can.
lazs
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This week AKDessert has yielded up some pretty good fights at various different fields. I'd be defending a Rook base on one slice, only to get calls for defending another Rook base on a different slice. I've spent most of this week in Mustangs doing hi-alt interception and jabo work and in a G2 doing low-alt interception work.
But that's because the Rooks have been on the offensive from several different bases at the same time all week long, forcing Bish and Knights to either counter a massed assault or strike at bases on the flanks. I've been on the flanks for the most part, and its been pretty fun.
Trashed my G2 and k/d scores fighting in the weeds, though. :p But hey, its been action-packed!
I can't imagine how bad it is when the Europeans are on and the numbers hover around 150 players instead of the 400 or 500 US players. I would imagine it looks like a wasteland, like.... a dessert!
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Originally posted by lazs2
Oh.. and steve... do me a favor and go up and slaughter this clown a few dozen times or at least get him low and slow down there with me so that I can.
lazs
steve will have a hard time doin that.....and trust me...i won't be WAAAAAY up there:aok
and taking your base is PART OF THE GAME.....but since you fellows have a different perception of this SAID game....do as you wish....
and I am not after your children....but your SHEEP dumbprettythang
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It's part of YOUR game.
Puzzle on that a while.
:lol
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So yes, I’ll be at 15-20K – in fact I was up there duffing buffs the other night, during MetaTron’s raid on Rook HQ. If anyone thinks that’s a non-skilled job they should try it out for themselves instead of calling us sky accountants.
Like none of us have EVER taken out HQ or captured a base or sunk a fleet or flown above 10k.
The funniest part of this debate is how many used to whine about the 13th being alt warriors, yet you Beetle, seem to think that none of us understand your great commission.
I believe it is those with the twinkle toes, who dance in the heavens, that have no clue as to how any of us who fight real fights in the weeds could possibly have any fun. Oh, there's that word again...fun...bottom line here, is if you are having fun flying way up there and killing at the rate of 3-4 kills per hour, that's great, it's your dime....just don't expect the rest of us to admire your behavior.
Neither your opinion or ours carries more weight than the other....it's just that we are right and you cloud hoppers are limiting your enjoyment of the game...you just don't realize it...yet:)
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Originally posted by TW9
I tried figuring out who meta is when i was his squaddie w/ no success.. The only hint i got was when i told him about my old squad (Night Hawks) he said he ran into us alot while on bomb runs.. The squad was bish (still is) and so was voss during that time.. So that pretty much excluded voss for me..
From being a squaddie of meta's i know he likes the g10 alot and i dont see any kills with g10s in those stats of voss and gpreddy..
I don't think it's Voss...does he use vox at all...that would be the tell all for most of us.
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the concept of pretending to be a british subject is too smart for voss to have thought of it.
lazs
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Originally posted by SLO
steve will have a hard time doin that.....and trust me...i won't be WAAAAAY up there:aok
and taking your base is PART OF THE GAME.....but since you fellows have a different perception of this SAID game....do as you wish....
and I am not after your children....but your SHEEP dumbprettythang
I just want thier chutes. Buff guys bail a lot and I find that very satisfying.
Yes TW I would would fly only the g10 if I wasnt in a traditional squad and if there were german cv aircraft in this game. I cant seem to get the hang of the mossie either.
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Originally posted by SLO
gimme a break you bunch of girly scouts....like i'm supposed to be scared of a turning spit5.
:rofl I howled when I read that! All that was missing was the cup of coffee that so many people claim to have been drinking when someone says something funny. :D
Hehe, do I detect false horror on the part of the furball collective at the thought of losing their bases? Well that's weird. They're making it sound like they don't care if they lose their bases...
...and yet they throw a hissy-fit/do a nappyful, and have a cow and a half when someone merely porks the fuel at one of those bases they don't care about losing...
:confused:
Tell you what, furballers: Next time you log on, just pretend your front line bases have all been captured already. Then you'll just be taking off from one field further back. I get told to do that all the time. :lol
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Originally posted by TW9
Yes he does use vox..
Well, this is simple.
Would you send me a film where he has been in range....I'll settle this easily as I've known him personally for many years.
Just send it to my email below.
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Confused as ever, I see.
Bases don't matter; there's ALWAYS at least one at the front line until the glorious war is over and then...... ~SHAZZZAAMM!~ it instantly resets and there's now ~SHAZZAAAM!~ another base at a front line.
Fuel? You're either trolling or incredibly obtuse. Fuel only matters for the short range planes. You know, the ones you complain about not seeing enough of? The early and some mid-war planes? The problem with it is that the degradation/resupply equation is completely out of whack. And probably everyone but you understands and agrees with that statement.
Like I said, play capture the flag all you like. It really doesn't affect the AH I play on most maps. And on the AKD/BI nights where boredom has triumphed, there's always the CT or DA or Real Life for me.
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I'd probably recognize Voss's voice too.
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steve will have a hard time doin that.....and trust me...i won't be WAAAAAY up there
Huh? Slo, whacha talking about dude? Way up where? You might find me occasionally at the nose bleed alt of 10k or so.. even 12k if I go afk while grabbing.
As for having a hard time shooting you down, unless your connect has suddenly gone South, I don't remember you being any more, or less, difficult to shoot down than the bulk of the population in the MA.
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Originally posted by Rude
Like none of us have EVER taken out HQ or captured a base or sunk a fleet or flown above 10k.
The funniest part of this debate is how many used to whine about the 13th being alt warriors, yet you Beetle, seem to think that none of us understand your great commission.
I believe it is those with the twinkle toes, who dance in the heavens, that have no clue as to how any of us who fight real fights in the weeds could possibly have any fun. Oh, there's that word again...fun...bottom line here, is if you are having fun flying way up there and killing at the rate of 3-4 kills per hour, that's great, it's your dime....just don't expect the rest of us to admire your behavior.
Neither your opinion or ours carries more weight than the other....it's just that we are right and you cloud hoppers are limiting your enjoyment of the game...you just don't realize it...yet:)
Funny how the recently converted usually become the biggest zealots :D.
Rood, by the same token, those that only fly 3 or 4 different planes limit their enjoyment of the game. You are just a one trick pony driver (well...mostly former pony driver :D).
(SRI...was dyin' get my 400th post in :))
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I'm no fan of Pizza, but I can't say I've ever had a problem finding a fight. Other maps are far worse for finding fights quickly (BI!). Travelling 1 sector or so does not constitute a long flight to find that fight. And yes, I usually like to be around 10 - 15K above the terrain to start. Been flying the P-38 90% of the time this month and am starting to get very comfy in it.
Ran into Silat and one of his squaddies (Sry I didn't catch his name) last night at 20K+ (afk too long?) over water. I was diving in on his squaddy's 38 and happened to look back and see Silat's spit divin on my 38 at d1.6K.. Figured I was done for, but had to try and get a shot on 1 of them... never happened, though I did evaid for a few passes... damn spits!! lol... I not not an alt-monkey, rather i start out high to look around.. then I will always dive into the frey. Some of the best fights I have had are 1 v 1 between 10-15K, others have been in the canyons on Pizza... It's all good...
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Funny how the recently converted usually become the biggest zealots :D.
Rood, by the same token, those that only fly 3 or 4 different planes limit their enjoyment of the game. You are just a one trick pony driver (well...mostly former pony driver :D).
(SRI...was dyin' get my 400th post in :))
If anyone is going to ride my backside on their way to number 400, I'm glad it was you:)
BTW....I fly three planes now:p
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Originally posted by Bulz
I'm no fan of Pizza, but I can't say I've ever had a problem finding a fight. Other maps are far worse for finding fights quickly (BI!). Travelling 1 sector or so does not constitute a long flight to find that fight. And yes, I usually like to be around 10 - 15K above the terrain to start. Been flying the P-38 90% of the time this month and am starting to get very comfy in it.
Ran into Silat and one of his squaddies (Sry I didn't catch his name) last night at 20K+ (afk too long?) over water. I was diving in on his squaddy's 38 and happened to look back and see Silat's spit divin on my 38 at d1.6K.. Figured I was done for, but had to try and get a shot on 1 of them... never happened, though I did evaid for a few passes... damn spits!! lol... I not not an alt-monkey, rather i start out high to look around.. then I will always dive into the frey. Some of the best fights I have had are 1 v 1 between 10-15K, others have been in the canyons on Pizza... It's all good...
If you're havin fun, then that's what it's all about
It's only the showoff's like Metatron, who have no skill when it comes to a real fight, start lippin off that some of us have to laugh.
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Wait, what's a "real fight"?
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Originally posted by Furious
Wait, what's a "real fight"?
Furious...
I was thinkin' beer bottles in the parking lot. I could be wrong though :).
Rood....
That last post of yours leaves a lot of room for interpretation. I think I'm gonna leave it at that :D.
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Am I in the right forum? Is this the place where you post your stats then rave about how good you are?
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_181_1067543162.gif)
Let Me Attem . . I'll Murdilate 'em!
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Wow Honch. That's actually exceptional for a P40 stat set.
PERK THE P40!!!!
But seriously, way to go bud. If I ever decide to learn the P40 (It's still quite warm in hell), you're the Ace I'm going to be talking to.
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Sir Honch, you obviously have no skill at all.
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Originally posted by Honch
Am I in the right forum? Is this the place where you post your stats then rave about how good you are?
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_181_1067543162.gif)
Let Me Attem . . I'll Murdilate 'em!
Honch, fellow P40 addict, wtg :D
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Originally posted by Toad
Fuel? You're either trolling or incredibly obtuse. Fuel only matters for the short range planes. You know, the ones you complain about not seeing enough of? The early and some mid-war planes? The problem with it is that the degradation/resupply equation is completely out of whack. And probably everyone but you understands and agrees with that statement.
Where is the problem? If your fuel gets porked back to 25%, just follow your own considered advice, and take off from one field further back. Let the enemy capture your porked base (which you don't care about anyway) and continue fighting from the "new" front line. No need to even consider all those M3/Goon resupply runs, so that's a moot point. Just abandon the fuel-porked base and take off from one field further back.
Still confused?
;)
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taking off one field back is good advise for people that feel that the fields are too close together... it is an extremely poor idea for those that feel the fields are too far apart.
still confused?
lazs
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By gofaster... "I can't imagine how bad it is when the Europeans are on and the numbers hover around 150 players instead of the 400 or 500 US players. I would imagine it looks like a wasteland, like.... a dessert!"
Yes it does, last couple nights I've been on the total numbers have been around 70 players.
...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~
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Originally posted by lazs2
taking off one field back is good advise for people that feel that the fields are too close together... it is an extremely poor idea for those that feel the fields are too far apart.
still confused?
lazs
lazs ...
Beet is being obtuse ... he usderstands this all too well. He is just throwing fuel on the fire to keep it going just for the sake of keeping it going.
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I'm digging that sig, SlapShot. I remember watching the show when he said that. I might have to make it mine! :aok
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The 13th TAS guys know of what they speak when they talk about being Cherry-Pickers. Back in the old days they would go to great extremes to eke out even the slightest altitude advantage, as the following picture from the 2002 con attests:
(http://www.bkhooly.com/13tasalt.jpg)
Hooligan
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Honch:
Get a life. Every one of those kills was an HO and you know it...
Hooligan
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Originally posted by Hooligan
The 13th TAS guys know of what they speak when they talk about being Cherry-Pickers. Back in the old days they would go to great extremes to eke out even the slightest altitude advantage, as the following picture from the 2002 con attests:
(http://www.bkhooly.com/13tasalt.jpg)
Hooligan
The one in blue is already back in the tower! :eek:
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Originally posted by Hooligan
Honch:
Get a life. Every one of those kills was an HO and you know it...
Hooligan
You know it! After all, you can't spell Honch (or Hooligan for that matter) without HO!
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Heard someone on Ch1 complaining about a HO then:
Honch: "I'm in a low P40, I'll HO everyone"
Funniest thing I heard that day.
:lol
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Originally posted by Furious
Wait, what's a "real fight"?
Well, I think and I could be mistaken, it would involve an air to air engagement where not one, but both pilots were aware of the others presence, prior to shots being fired.
Now I know that' a stretch for some of you, but what is not a fight, is most certainly those occasions when one pilot hovers over those engaged in real air to air engagements and picks one of them off while they were not lookin.
Of course, it's a fight for some to even get their aircraft off the ground, so what do I know.
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but... but.... rude.... don't you know that real WWII fights... 90% of the guys who got shot down never seen the guy who killed them.
It was a little hard to interview them I guess tho.
lazs
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Show me where I've ever said I like to take off one field back. I'm a front line kind of guy.
YOU were the one saying you routinely take off from behind the front lines to allow you to climb into the heavens unmolested.
Needing/using "One field back" on AKD or BI in a slow plane merely means I'm in the DA, CT or out enjoying RL.
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Originally posted by Rude
Well, I think and I could be mistaken, it would involve an air to air engagement where not one, but both pilots were aware of the others presence, prior to shots being fired.
Now I know that' a stretch for some of you, but what is not a fight, is most certainly those occasions when one pilot hovers over those engaged in real air to air engagements and picks one of them off while they were not lookin.
Well fair enough then. I see what kind of action you want. I've had plenty of engagements like that in the normal course of events. Some I have won, some I have lost.
Lazs asks if I'm still confused - hell yeah. This kind of combat is what I would call "duelling". Now if you're not interested in strat, not interested in seeing buffs, don't want to fly more than 2 minutes to find a fight, don't want to see your fuel porked, HTC has designed an arena which is tailor made for this very kind of engagement. The Duelling Arena. You did know that's what DA stands for? Because for the life of me at this point in the discussion, I don't know why you don't use it. Or perhaps you do. I see that Mr. Toad does - there's always the CT or DA or Real Life for me
If it's good enough in Pizza week, it's good enough any week. No need for map whines.
So I'll answer Lazs's question by paraphrasing Clint Eastwood in Where Eagles Dare after the plot was hatched: "...right now, I'm as confused as I ever hope to be"...
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Originally posted by Steve
As for having a hard time shooting you down, unless your connect has suddenly gone South, I don't remember you being any more, or less, difficult to shoot down than the bulk of the population in the MA.
at least someone says I'm average.....not bad......:aok
now lets see where I'd put you.....probably with them whiners rude dude and his gang.....sorry couldn't put ya any lower.....woulda felt bad.....feel bad already....:rofl
you have never shot me down yet in this game steve.....so your little theory is a no go...sorry bud :eek:
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DA is third choice. CT is second choice; while the CT maps are generally great, the "setup" is critical too. Sometimes, the setup just totally fails to interest me. So, it's a hit or miss but I always look there before going to the DA.
MA can be a blast. CV v CV or CV v close Shorebase fights on most maps are great. Until, of course, the :rofl serious, war-winning players :rofl decide they have to stop any furballing by sinking the CV because the furballers "need to be helping win the war".
BI is pretty much a total loser in my opinion and AKD is at best a 50/50 proposition. If a boat is in the right place, it's as good as any. If not, there's very few fields close enough for fun slow plane fights.
Maps add to the fights and the DA doesn't provide that. You lose the good contours and other features that add to a fight. However, DA is still better than AKD if the AKD boats are out of position and no close fields are matched up on the front line.
Now, if you put FesterMA up in it's own arena and let the other maps run in rotation in the MA it'd be a great experiment. I know where I'd be all the time. :D
Not to worry though, sooner or later TOD will debut for you serious World War Two recreater war-winning types. I hope it's soon and man, I hope you ALL just love it to pieces.
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As a side note, Metatron was up last night so I tried to talk with him on vox. Tuned him specifically, no answer. I just wanted to chat and see if I recognized "the voice" and said so. Tried to get him to answer over CH 1 and one of his buds told me he had me squelched.
Hmmmmmmmmmm. MetaVoss. Vossatron. Not much doubt left in my mind; who's got the film with him talking on it?
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Ya know Toad....I'm comin around to this MetaVoss thingie of yours.
Strange once the vox issue was brought up, not a sound from the very vocal Metatron.
Not to worry tho, one of my Bish pals sent me a film with his voss...I mean vox included. I haven't had the chance to take a peek yet, but will do so tonight.
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beetle... a map like festers allows everyone to engage in as many fights of whatever size they want . The pizza abortion makes for very limited useful choice... flying two sectors in an early war flane is not ver useful. Finding furs of even the size metavoss shows screens of is a matter of luck and dilegence..
Infinity proved that you lse nothing by having airfields closer together but that yu make the map more useful for more people.
lazs
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Originally posted by Toad
As a side note, Metatron was up last night so I tried to talk with him on vox. Tuned him specifically, no answer. I just wanted to chat and see if I recognized "the voice" and said so. Tried to get him to answer over CH 1 and one of his buds told me he had me squelched.
Hmmmmmmmmmm. MetaVoss. Vossatron. Not much doubt left in my mind; who's got the film with him talking on it?
I squelched you right away. Our squad was conducting operations and you and your agenda are secondary to hearing my squadmates.
Rather than play your queer games lets do something a little more fun. I believe the Hornets are up for a squad versus squad battle. Without inflating your ranks how many can you muster?
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Originally posted by lazs2
beetle... a map like festers allows everyone to engage in as many fights of whatever size they want . The pizza abortion makes for very limited useful choice... flying two sectors in an early war flane is not ver useful. Finding furs of even the size metavoss shows screens of is a matter of luck and dilegence..
Infinity proved that you lse nothing by having airfields closer together but that yu make the map more useful for more people.
lazs
Oddly I have seen thirty versus thirty battles every night that akdessert has been running and they are not hard to find. You just look for the huge red bar covering two or even three sectors. On any average night I have seen two and three such fights going on at the same time and precisely at the times you prefer to fly. You dont like the odds?
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I think they oughta just shoot the guys that made the damn map and make a beach resort somewhere with all the sand.
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There have been thirty vs thirty battles all week long because there's been RJO every night, so the statistics will be a bit skewed.
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Slo, I have no idea who pissed in your Wheaties to make you such an unpleasant person but it must have been a lot of piss.
I'm not saying you're average, it wasn't a comment on your skills at all. You said I'd have a hard time shooting you down... I don't have a hard time shooting anyone down, the planes all die about the same to my virtual bullets. My point was, we are all quite "shootable" Even the best pilot in the game, whoever he is, can be shot down by just about anyone, in the MA. I said in the MA because in there you often get shot by someone other than the few planes you are actively engaging. It's all part of the helter-skelter of the arena.
So go ahead and categorize me anyway you want, my point was, again: In the MA, just about everyone can be rather easily shot down.
P.S. Will the person who was controlling Slohd in AW please return? The Aces High version of Slohd isn't the same pleasant person.
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Lazs,
I'm like Metatron, and don't have trouble finding action on Pizza. I could post the films, but I know you don't like it when I do that. But it doesn't matter. Pizza is gone again till Nov-28.
I don't mind having maps like QWW™ and children's in the rotation - as long as we can strike a balance by having some bigger maps too.
PS can you put names to the faces in Hooligan's pic?
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That would be Thunder, Milo, Toad and yours truly:)
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Originally posted by Rude
That would be Thunder, Milo, Toad and yours truly:)
MetaVoss
Please explain to me exactly how this little sqd duel of your's would work....none of us want to chase you guys around at 20k or half way across a sector.
25 fuel, 6k merge and guns hot?
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i like to furball.
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and i was a hornet, i can assure you they are not alt monkey's.
They got into the habit of having to come low and save my arse while going into fights at sea level :D
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AND metatron isnt voss. because slowhand is voss!
Metatron is my little sister ;) :D
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I might believe that Slo has been possessed by Voss.
I cast you out, unclean spirit!
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Originally posted by Furball
i like to furball.
so you're saying you like to play with yourself?
:p
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Originally posted by MetaTron
I squelched you right away.
Well, just tune me next time you're not busy and give me a shout on vox.
:rofl
Jig's up, Voss. Busted. We KNOW.
Have a nice day!
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Originally posted by Rude
That would be Thunder, Milo, Toad and yours truly
:):):):)
Well, Rude. I would say to you what you said to me - I could tell that we'd get on well just by looking at your pic. ;) Same goes for Mr. T!
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Originally posted by Steve
I might believe that Slo has been possessed by Voss.
I cast you out, unclean spirit!
I am Voss......any of you rutabagas have anything interesting to say to me.:cool:
and rude dude......trust me.....my nose bleed alt of 12k is not scary at all......if you want i'll find you....no need for you to chase around arena:aok
and steve....I did say thx u....and you did say average....I wonder if the average player purposefully flies under 10k so he can find fights at a disadvantage.
and yes you are right...we all die....numbers guy got me other day.....said i was easy :rofl
oh and btw....just put in new mobo chip and vid card.....still tryin to find good setup....shootin just ain't the same anymore...much much more steady....gotta get used to this:eek:
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Originally posted by beet1e
:):):):)
Well, Rude. I would say to you what you said to me - I could tell that we'd get on well just by looking at your pic. ;) Same goes for Mr. T!
Toodle Pip!
:)
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Nice that you two can look at each other's pictures and tell you'll get along. Funny how attraction works that way. So will it be a British or American hotel where you two meet to consummate this online love affair?
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Originally posted by Steve
Nice that you two can look at each other's pictures and tell you'll get along. Funny how attraction works that way. So will it be a British or American hotel where you two meet to consummate this online love affair?
American of course....I never felt the need to chase after anything in my life Steve:)
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Heyas Rude.......I would love to join the 13th for a few days so I can particaptie in this "Squad Duel" ;)
For some reason I dont think it will last long :rofl
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Never felt the need to chase anything..... you are more disciplined than I. :)
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Originally posted by Nomak
Heyas Rude.......I would love to join the 13th for a few days so I can particaptie in this "Squad Duel" ;)
For some reason I dont think it will last long :rofl
MetaVoss has not reponded to me regarding this proposed duel....it may be kinda silly to prove something which hardly needs to be proved, yet we may entertain this little duel of his provided we don't have to chase them all over the map.
He may be busy stacking his roster?:)
A better idea would be to stage a real talented pilots vs. the furballers duel....that would allow any and all who feel strongly enough that Meta is full of cheap talk to participate....what ya think?
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Let him stack Rude. Im sure the army of muppets will be there for ya. Not that you need it.
<-----Imagines a DA roster
Rude
Thunder
Toad
SlapShot
Zippath
Sax
Fester
WldThing
Nomak
Kappa
Estes
Urchin
Apar
TW9
ManeTMP
38Tard
:D
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Originally posted by Rude
A better idea would be to stage a real talented pilots vs. the furballers duel....that would allow any and all who feel strongly enough that Meta is full of cheap talk to participate....what ya think?
I would of course be in on this.
I think its time for the "Talented" to finally put up or shut up
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Would be fun Nomak
The Hornets have a lot of serious talent in thier roster .
All are serious members of the AH community and I would be surprised if any entertained another Voss fantasy.
The only duel I see happening is Metatron and his ego---versus--
Metatron and his delusional world.