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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Dadtallica on September 25, 2023, 06:41:28 PM
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Was curious what people on Reddit thought so I posted this question. I probably should have split the question since the two models can differ game to game. Go vote if you want AH to win lol Poll stays active for another 48 hours or so. :bolt:
Here is the link for anyone who wants to read the comments. There are some good points made. A few people said I should have added Falcon BMS but I am not familiar with that one.
https://reddit.com/r/flightsim/s/6TxsACIUE4 (https://reddit.com/r/flightsim/s/6TxsACIUE4)
(https://i.imgur.com/bCNCuC2.jpg)
Oh also… go vote in your local elections too! :old:
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Go vote if you want AH to win
Done.
- oldman
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Done, and added my 2 cents.
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All these votes and your post only gets 8 upvotes... strange.
Voted!
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All these votes and your post only gets 8 upvotes... strange.
Voted!
Yup Reddit is what it is lol. I’ve had posts with hundreds of comments and no ups. The whole up and down thing is dumb but Reddit is pretty much my only social media. I like how well you can filter it. One of my weed grow posts got almost 3K upvotes I was happy with lol.
But from following a bunch of flight sim Reddits I can say AH gets little attention. I tried to breathe some life into the AH Reddit but not much luck.
Anyway… I’m not going anywhere.
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I would have voted but that requires logging in. I don't want to question my privacy for just one vote.
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Voted. Used my stone age old unused google account for logging so you won't see my name in there.
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Never expected AH to win. I did it to draw some attention to our game.
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Never expected AH to win. I did it to draw some attention to our game.
Kudos for your effort.
The problem with these kinds of polls though is I guarantee you most of those voting for DCS\IL2 have never flown AH. And a lot that are voting for AH, have probably never flown a serious amount of DCS or WW2OL or WT.
What people are voting for is what they are having fun flying rather than a serious comparison of the sims because few people have flown all of them. I find the people voting for AH having a superior flight and damage model than DCS as having done a questionable amount of analysis. It would be interesting to read a point by point defense on why the flight and damage model in AH is superior to DCS. The same for those voting WT has superior flight model to AH. I also find that vote questionable. What they are voting for is WT is the game they have fun with and have their friends at. They probably could not defend that evaluation because I bet they have never flown both WT and AH.
So really people are using polls like this as a proxy to say what games they are having fun with and fly with their friends on, which is a different question than what you asked.
Unless you have flown a reasonable amount of each, you can't really make a rational comparison. I bet if challenged to give a point by point justification of their analysis they couldn't because they would admit they never flown AH or visa versa.
But if you don't care and just want to stealth spotlight AH, then that doesn't matter. ;)
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Or like other polling/voting it's rigged...
:bolt:
Eagler
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Or like other polling/voting it's rigged...
How is this poll rigged?
I suspect "rigged" is just a synonym for when people don't get the result they want.
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How is this poll rigged?
I suspect "rigged" is just a synonym for when people don't get the result they want.
It is a joke here...not so much elsewhere
Eagler
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It is a joke here...not so much elsewhere
It's a joke elsewhere too.
I suspect "rigged" is just a synonym for when people don't get the result they want.
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It's a joke elsewhere too.
I suspect "rigged" is just a synonym for when people don't get the result they want.
Rigged is when the rules are historically changed to guarantee the required outcome
Eagler
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Rigged is when the rules are historically changed to guarantee the required outcome
If that makes you feel better to believe that.
I guess everyone is giving up on bamboo ballots? lol
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I am all for purple thumbs if it brings honesty back into our voting process
But they will never go there ... for obvious reasons
Imagine getting voting results in minutes instead of days it now takes...
Keep believing what they spoon feed you if it makes you feel better :aok
Eagler
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Keep believing what they spoon feed you if it makes you feel better :aok
Keep believing what you read on Breitbart and DailyStormer.
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Eagler bringing politics into a thread? I'm shocked I tell you, shocked!
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I certainly find it sus that with 500 votes for the games overall, there is only 9 upvotes for the actual post.
I'd expect most people to check DCS given its vast graphic detail and overall game. That being, it's very interesting the difference in flight model of the P51 vs the one in AH. I can see that one guys comment about DCS flight model being a little wobbly with regards to WW2 planes. I'll have to check Il2 again, but when I tried it before, I could only play on half a screen. Not sure if that was me or the game, but found that annoying. I didn't particularly think the fights were any better and to me I enjoy the MA style much better than only match play style of Il2. Very tough to tell whose friendly vs Foe with only half a screen though so it was tough without icons.
It also surprises me how many noobs play WT. Don't they realize flying in External View isn't an advantage? Nah, they probably just play that one due to the fact that's its mostly FTP.
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Ffs you two have to ruin every thread don’t you? Try and stay on target!
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Ffs you two have to ruin every thread don’t you?
FFS I didn't bring it up.
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it's very interesting the difference in flight model of the P51 vs the one in AH.
Are you comparing the P-51 or the P-51T with AH?
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Are you comparing the P-51 or the P-51T with AH?
The P51. Although I haven't really "faught" with it in DCS that much, only against easy AI, but I wasn't able to be as aggressive in the stall and aiming is a beeyotch in DCS. The nose bounce is much worse in DCS it feels. Could be I just dont have enough practice because I've been focusing on the F18
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The P51. Although I haven't really "faught" with it in DCS that much, only against easy AI, but I wasn't able to be as aggressive in the stall and aiming is a beeyotch in DCS. The nose bounce is much worse in DCS it feels. Could be I just dont have enough practice because I've been focusing on the F18
Pfffft. Fixed-wings are for girls. ;)
Do you have any of the helo?
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Pfffft. Fixed-wings are for girls. ;)
Do you have any of the helo?
Nah, I'm a plane guy!
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Nah, I'm a plane guy!
If you have the ED version and not Steam, you can get a two week trial on modules. You should give the Huey a trial. If you don't find that thing a blast to fly, then you are just broken. ;)
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The P51. Although I haven't really "faught" with it in DCS that much, only against easy AI, but I wasn't able to be as aggressive in the stall and aiming is a beeyotch in DCS. The nose bounce is much worse in DCS it feels. Could be I just dont have enough practice because I've been focusing on the F18
The F-18 is great fun. Add a curve to your stick axis to help with the bounce.
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The F-18 is great fun. Add a curve to your stick axis to help with the bounce.
Agreed, you need to mess with your stick settings - after a bunch of experimentation I can point the pipper in the HUD on DCS aircraft as accurately as I can here.
Also, there should be a category for "best game", not just best FM/damage/etc IMO. AH should win that category IMO. If you could combine AH's MA game with the DCS graphics/modelling/etc/etc, I don't think I would leave me desk, especially if it could handle hundreds of players like Dale's creation.
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You should give the Huey a trial. If you don't find that thing a blast to fly,
How do they model the throttle and collective?
- oldman
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How do they model the throttle and collective?
- oldman
Depends on your hardware.
If you have the whole setup it supports it. I think Virple and others make high end systems. Full size collectives and cyclic sticks. If you have the money. If it detects lesser sticks it will auto set throttle as other than some startup stuff it's where you have it 99.96% of the time. But you have a axis and key binding for throttle if you have one.
[edit] This is what you need...;)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEESj8WXoAcCxtL?format=jpg&name=medium)
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How do they model the throttle and collective?
- oldman
Fixed wing aircraft have trim that effectively neutralize forces against your flight controls. The effect in fixed wing aircraft is that your controls remain centered without force applied when trimmed. This works the same in your simulator that does not have force feedback controls. Trim the aircraft and you can let go of your spring centered controls. Helicopters work differently. Through magnets and magic you can press a button and where you are currently holding your stick becomes a new center which will remain there if you let go. If you were a sim designer how would you handle that?
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Depends on your hardware.
But you have a axis and key binding for throttle if you have one.
If you don't you can use the keyboard or since it is fully interactive cockpit, just put the mouse cursor over the throttle and I think the mouse wheel will roll it on\off.
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I'm using the Virpil collective for DCS helos, but you don't need a custom collective, I used a regular throttle for years and it works ok.
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17 hours to go.
Looks like DCS is the clear choice. Maybe I will do it again in like a month with a better crafted question.
(https://i.imgur.com/K8nwT7u.jpg)
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I'm using the Virpil collective for DCS helos, but you don't need a custom collective, I used a regular throttle for years and it works ok.
Not at all. My point was that DCS will work with a cheapy stick all the way up to God-like hardware that makes me woody.
Currently I use one of these for collective:
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/818AHu6T1bL._AC_SX679_.jpg)
It actually works dang well. The length of the lever arm helps me make fine adjustments when hovering.
Better than the Thrustmaster sliding throttle I used to have. That was fine for fixed wing, but delicate adjustments were too grabby with sticktion. I even tried a 3rd party mod that helped but was not good enough for me. I put on the cap that links all the levers together as one collective.
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Depends on your hardware.
If you have the whole setup it supports it. I think Virple and others make high end systems. Full size collectives and cyclic sticks. If you have the money. If it detects lesser sticks it will auto set throttle as other than some startup stuff it's where you have it 99.96% of the time. But you have a axis and key binding for throttle if you have one.
[edit] This is what you need...;)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEESj8WXoAcCxtL?format=jpg&name=medium)
I know what I will never afford to get :cry
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Strange action with the poll. Your screen shot shows 535 votes. Now there are only 503. AH dropped by 5 votes, DCS by 17, WT only 1, il2 by 7, and wow by 2. Very interesting to me the largest % drop there was AH. 🤔
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Strange action with the poll. Your screen shot shows 535 votes. Now there are only 503. AH dropped by 5 votes, DCS by 17, WT only 1, il2 by 7, and wow by 2. Very interesting to me the largest % drop there was AH. 🤔
I'm seeing the same as Dadtallica.
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I've played all 3 of the good ones, i'm going to ignore wart thunder completely and always will.
Il2 - very arcade flight model, massively over powered damaged model. The game is very fun, but it's more about the special effects than any kind of flight fidelity.
AH - solid flight model though strangely lacking in a few areas such as the great difficulty to do consistent hammer head stall turns. Perhaps they were difficult in war birds but they are very easy in the light aircraft I've had a go in. Highly detailed damage model although it appears that wings and control surfaces fall off slightly easier than the old gun cam videos.
DCS - Varying flight models due to different developers making different aircraft. I'd rate AH flight model above DCS, by a small margin. Damage model seems to be the best to me. The level of detail in the number of systems that can be hit is far above the other two games.
The most fun? AH has held my attention for longer periods than any other flight sim, so...no brainer. Though these days i'm only playing DCS in VR when WW2 combat is desired.
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I've played all 3 of the good ones, i'm going to ignore wart thunder completely and always will.
Il2 - very arcade flight model, massively over powered damaged model. The game is very fun, but it's more about the special effects than any kind of flight fidelity.
AH - solid flight model though strangely lacking in a few areas such as the great difficulty to do consistent hammer head stall turns. Perhaps they were difficult in war birds but they are very easy in the light aircraft I've had a go in. Highly detailed damage model although it appears that wings and control surfaces fall off slightly easier than the old gun cam videos.
DCS - Varying flight models due to different developers making different aircraft. I'd rate AH flight model above DCS, by a small margin. Damage model seems to be the best to me. The level of detail in the number of systems that can be hit is far above the other two games.
The most fun? AH has held my attention for longer periods than any other flight sim, so...no brainer. Though these days i'm only playing DCS in VR when WW2 combat is desired.
Yo Bat! You should play in the Combat Challenge tomorrow night, albeit, probably too dang early for your time zone now that I think about it.
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I'm seeing the same as Dadtallica.
Re-clicked on the link this morning and all of the votes are back. That is very strange!
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17 hours to go.
Looks like DCS is the clear choice. Maybe I will do it again in like a month with a better crafted question.
(https://i.imgur.com/K8nwT7u.jpg)
It is worth mentioning that the games with a lot of votes (DCS, IL2, WT) have pretty populated subreddits and a generally younger crowd. I doubt there's more than 10 people on this forum with a reddit account to be honest.
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That’s for sure. I tried breathing some life into but nobody here was very interested.
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It is worth mentioning that the games with a lot of votes (DCS, IL2, WT) have pretty populated subreddits and a generally younger crowd.
And a boat load more players. 99% of whom probably have never flown AH.
And some AH players voting that probably have never spent any meaningful amount of time exploring DCS.
So I don't think those results say anything about the stated topic. I think it is a straight popularity contest. A proxy for market share. It is simply telling you which games people are committed to.
I wouldn't be surprised if the proportions of market share and revenue map pretty cleanly with those result. It's not bad insight, just not what was asked.
Although it might not be too far off from accurate even relative to the intended question. But since most voting have not spent meaningful time in all those sims, it is untrustworthy evidence. For instance, I don't think WT would beat AH in flight and damage model if someone had played a lot of both. Maybe I'm wrong. What you got was a lot more people saying they like WT and not really commenting in AH because they've probably never heard of it.
I didn't vote because I had only really played enough of half of them to compare each to other. For those that I'd played enough to be willing to hazard an opinion, I'd rank them:
1. DCS
2. IL2
3. AH
4. WT
I've always thought AH was a compromise between IL2 and WT. DCS is kinda off in its own little genre.
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Also I think that wasn't be best forum for the question you asked. They are heavily skewed to the MSFS crowd.
I would have suggested something more combat sim related like Hoggit.