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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: leonid on January 05, 2000, 07:49:00 AM
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It's amazing, but the C.205 holds at present the highest kill to death ratio in AH at 1.37. The top three are as follows:
1. C.205 - 1.37
2. La-5FN - 1.34
3. Fw 190A-8 - 1.23
Bella Italia!!!
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leonid, aka grisha
129 IAP VVS RKKA
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Hell has indeed frozen over. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Looks can kill..
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Uhmmm,
I think that everything with a decent climb rate and 2x20mm cannons can easily kill you if you look at it from the wrong side ......
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Hehehe......
Surprised?
Not only the Allies & the Germans did know how to design a good fighter..... :-)
Veetwin
4°Stormo Caccia
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Don't worry, folks, now that it can apparently climb I'll start flying it again. That'll get the ratio down in no time flat, if you'll pardon the pun. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Flathat
'Black Dahlia'
No10 RNAS "The Black Flight"
Angel on your wing, devil on your tail
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LOL Flathat, now since I've now a decent 3Dcard and I can fly with decent frame rate I'll take care too to bring the ratio down (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
In fact the C205 is my favorite, so i don't know if I rather should avoid to fly it, as I am a kind of in-line-drone, for respect, you know (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Ciao
Luigi "falco" Pacetti
4°Stormo Caccia
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Stats just shows that less dweebs flies it.. they fly p51 and spitfire, which really are top fighters..
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Fishu, as perhaps the biggest dweeb in the history of Aces High (2 kills in Beta 1, not a sausage since), I resent that. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I only fly P-51 if I'm on buff escort or recon these days; usually I'm busy wrecking the 109 K/D ratio. However, I spent a lovely couple of hours last night flying a 205 for Bishland, coming out of F2 for the fights at F5 and F6. And I died 4-5 times for a big fat goose egg, but it was fun.
Observation: Compared to before, 205 feels like a kite with solid-fuel boosters. Don't know whether climb is objectively accurate, but subjectively it climbs very well, and when I hit WEP the response seemed immediate. And now that I've learned a little about fuel management, I can keep it in the air for those 40-minute sorties I favor (39 minutes of stooging around, followed by spot, merge, spray, pray, evade, admire parts falling off, bail out).
BTW, jarbo, that was a nice drag & bag you & the other 51 pulled in my last sortie (around midnight EST). I should have seen it coming sooner and climbed out.
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Flathat
'Black Dahlia'
No10 RNAS "The Black Flight"
Angel on your wing, devil on your tail
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Ahhh don't worry Flathat (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
There is an old saying where I come from. "Some days you get the bear, and some days the bear gets you"
Two nights ago, I flew 3 sorties (all long over 30-40 minutes each), got 3 kills and something like 4 assists, with only one ditch to my record.
Yes I fly very conservatively (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Then last night I flew 3 very similar sorties. No kills, 1 assist, and 2 deaths and a ditch.
It all evens out in the end.
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Vermillion
WB's: (verm--), **MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires ;) "
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hehehe everytime I fly conservatively i get jumped by a Spit being 5K higher than me (at 25k) ... gues it's one of them unchangeable online axioms...
"There will ALWAYS be some better turning A/C having the E advantage over you and it will have cannons of course" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I am with Fishu in this one. 205 is a beauty to fly, but P 51 is the best killer in the game.
P 51D record is spoiled by not so smart flying of many (yes, yes, it is more fun like that, i know (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)).
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Originally posted by Hristo:
I am with Fishu in this one. 205 is a beauty to fly, but P 51 is the best killer in the game.
P 51D record is spoiled by not so smart flying of many (yes, yes, it is more fun like that, i know (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)).
I just can't agree with this, and I don't fly the P51. Being primarily a LW pilot, I have yet to see any P51 that simply dominated me. Sure, if you get 4-5 over your head you are in trouble, but it would be the same if you had 4-5 of just about anything. I think the P51 has been defanged considerably- the Spits, on the other hand... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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As a new guy I know I am not up on All the long running threads....But it sure is great entertanment To read the "Best plane Arguments". All planes had their faults and strengths. Any of them in the right situation could "Kill" any other.
We have "Historical" planes with out alot of the Historical operating problems/advantages.
The mustang debate is just great (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I usualy die in lw types and love the C205. But Just to add fuel to the fire...For all it's faults the 51 and the men who flew it took control of the air space over germany in 44 and 45 and did not look back.
Also If you want to realy hear people cry add the P51 to the plane set. (4-20mm)Not the b or d model. Put together current D high with P51's low and you will have a tough combo to fight aginst. For the record the P 51 out performed the 51 b&D at lower alts. There is a reason that the Recon people kept them in operation till the end of the war along side 51d recon types.
Salute to the next one of you that shoots me down. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Sure, a P-51(Mustang IA). A Runstang that has 4x20mm. And then shall the supercharged planes merely laugh and stay over 20k. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) The A-36A or P-51A would be more useful, they can carry bombs.
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Or Juzz, consider the P-63 KingCobra.
Very similar speeds, and high speed handling, to the P-51 (slightly slower at high alts).
But it can outturn and outclimb the Pony.
Plus for the BFG people it has the handy dandy aircraft eliminator, the 37mm cannon + x4 .50 cals.
Then there will be much moaning and gnashing of teeth. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Seriously though its another "never been done aircraft" that would fit perfectly in with AH.
Oh OH OH then I want the La7, Yak3, 190D, F4U-4, P47M, ... <whips out a sheaf of paper with size 4 font print on it and clears his throat> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Vermillion
WB's: (verm--), **MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires ;) "
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Combat23,
you forget one thing though, it wasn't only P-51's reason, there were MANY other things that made air superiority for allies.
No plane can have air superiority without support of many other things.
My point can be clearly said this way; You do assault into normandy without naval / air support, what would outcome be for infantry.
So quit saying its all because of P-51 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hers little statistic of the time I write this:
Plane Kills Killed Ratio
P-51D 5045 4526 1.11
Bf109G10 1622 1902 0.85
Spitfrie 8363 7767 1.07
F4U 1185 1308 0.90
C.205 1047 806 1.29
Fw190A8 2317 1823 1.27
N1K2 3950 3396 1.07
La-5 1293 970 1.33
Now we see that top is something like this:
La-5
C.205
Fw190
But.. look at the numbers, La5 and C.205 is flown alot less than any other plane!
And look at the numbers of spitfrie, over 7500 kills/killed and P-51 has over 4500 kills/killed, over twice as much as any of the top planes.
Most folks flies Spitfrie because its easy to fly and newbies are advised to fly spitfrie because it is easy to fly and turns well and ... and... so on, making it perfect design, with exception of top speed (add 30mph more and spitfrie would be 100% perfect design in AH)
Then comes P-51, its soo famed (look at all those who thinks air superiority is only because of P-51), that many newbies flies it and dies in it, but then theres few who makes up with it...
Whom flies C.205 and La-5, which I have maybe heard from some rare sources only, not famed at all.
So, better pilots and dedicated pilots flies C.205 and La-5, not all the dweebs and newbies (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Also low number of uses makes up for ratio in the hands of average and better pilots!
Also has to remember that Spitfries are mostly used in point defense, so they if what, gets vulched alot, which really makes up for killed ratio of spitfrie.
And uhh, I can only say about Bf109 that it has been downgraded alot while spitfires has got better! (cant outclimb spitfries no more, no way!)
Theres one intresting point though, C.205 with 2x7.7mm and 2x12.7mm *can* have a try to turn with spitfries, but with 20mm cannons it doesn't do that too well..
Thats not all either, with AUX tank it climbs to 18-20k without cannons, but with cannons to about 16-18k.
Though, it has alot less fuel than spitfrie.
(just amazed how spitfrie can fly alot longer than Bf109, which both have nearly same service range)
Any questions? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Fishu;
And uhh, I can only say about Bf109 that it has been downgraded alot while spitfires has got better! (cant outclimb spitfries no more, no way!)
Sure took you long enough to get that out!
Very good post, but can you please put "109 Whine" near the top in the future? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Mino
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(just amazed how spitfrie can fly alot longer than Bf109, which both have nearly same service range)
Since when? Never heard that one before. (Looks at books) 980 vs 620 miles both with DT's. Hmmm...
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Like I said, the Great plane debate is Great.
Juzz, That is why I said use a 51d high and 51 low. It is the combo together that would be tough to beat.
Verm, Ok I'll go with the 51A.
Fishu, Didn't say The P51 was the only reason. Just that it was the plane (and pilots) That did it. I even used the word controled because the allies never achieved absolute air superioraty.
I'm one of the new guys that does most of his dieing in LW aircraft with a few in La5's, so don't beat me up to bad. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I haven't even flown the 51 on line yet. Mite not be a bad Idea though....run faster I mite live longer (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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You know Combat23, P-51A had a climb rate of roughly 2,000 to 2,300fpm and was about 30mph
slower at sea level. Although it did handle
better than it big brother and was in my opinion the best looking of the stangs.
But then again none of the adverse conditions seem to be modeled into the Stang anyway.
Anyway I would be careful what you wish for.
You just might get it.
F4UDOA
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Guess I'll have to get some more info. stuff I have read says the P51a was faster and handled better then the 51b,d at low level ie: climb rate 3800ft/min, top speed 409 at 10,000, using a V1710-81 Allison at 1330 hp. course you better get out and walk at much over 15,000.
btw anyone got some spec's on the P63? I have some info on the P39 but almost nothing on the Kingcobra.
See ya up stairs
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What do you want to know about the P-63 Kingcobra?
I have the pilots manual, and America's Hundred Thousand (AHT) which has just about everything you could ever want to know about the P-63 or any other American Fighter for that matter.
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Vermillion
WB's: (verm--), **MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires ;) "