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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Eric19 on August 15, 2012, 03:24:22 PM
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It was the plane that the p40 replaced and I think it would a good change of pace to have something older in the game but could still dish out some serious punshiment in the MA heres the specs for the P36A
Length: 28 ft 6 in (8.7 m)
Wingspan: 37 ft 4 in (11.4 m)
Height: 8 ft 5 in (2.6 m)
Wing area: 235.94 ft² (21.92 m²)
Empty weight: 4,567 lb[19] (2,076 kg)
Loaded weight: 5,650 lb (2,560 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 6,010 lb[19] (2,732 kg)
Powerplant: 1 × Pratt & Whitney R-1830-17 Twin Wasp air-cooled radial piston engine, 1,050 hp (783 kW)
Performance
Maximum speed: 313 mph (272 knots, 500 km/h) at 8,500 ft, 2,960 m
Cruise speed: 270 mph (235 knots, 432 km/h)
Range: 625 mi (543 nmi, 1,006 km) at 270 mph (419 km/h), 860 mi (748 nmi, 1,385 km) at 200 mph
Service ceiling: 32,700 ft (9,967 m)
Rate of climb: 3,400 ft/min (17 m/s)
Armament
1 30cal browning M1919
1 50cal browning M2
later production variants had 2 50s firing through the prop and 2-4 browning 30cals mounted in the wings
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armament: 1 30 cal and 1 50 cal?...
uhm I think WWI planes would laugh at it :rofl
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armament: 1 30 cal and 1 50 cal?...
uhm I think WWI planes would laugh at it :rofl
I'm afriad you forgot the the sentence underneath that one smart one
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I'm afriad you forgot the the sentence underneath that one smart one
Sorry once I read 1 50 cal and 1 30 cal I gave up, if it at least has the P40C armament of 2 50's and 4 30's then sure :aok
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yeah I like chalenges but 1 30 and 50cal to work with might be a bit of a strech lol
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Why not? Ki-43 did plenty damage with 1 7mm and 1 12.7mm gun, almost throughout the entire war that was the loadout it had.
The P-36 wasn't used much, but one of the export versions of the hawk would be nice -- French and Dutch used them off the top of my head. They were around on the continent and also in the CBI areas of the world.
So, close enough to a P-36 to basically be the same, but small variations in horsepower and/or gun calibers, just under a different name (like, "Hawk 75" and such)
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Because in real life, one bullet was all it took to hit a fuel line or some important gizmo in the plane and down it goes. In here, you have to keep hitting whatever it is until it reaches 0 HP then it falls off. 1x 30 Cal and 1x .50 is not going to do anything except against AFK planes. And the fact that even a P40 can run away from it is...well..derp...100% useless plane.
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armament: 1 30 cal and 1 50 cal?...
uhm I think WWI planes would laugh at it :rofl
Maybe if you would crack open a book and read about the plane you'd realize how daft you sounded in your post.
In French service, the H75 was credited with 330 kills and 80 probables with the loss of only 29 H75s in aerial combat. It also saw success with the Finns, credited with 190 1/3 kills with the loss of only 15 H75s
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That darn search function works wonders. Considering the number of air forces that used the P36/Hawk75 I think it would be a nice addition
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I honestly think it would be good for base defense since it did only 313mph at 8500ft its quiet a bit lighter than the P40C that we have I think the 40C weights in at like 7600lbs where compared to the p36 it only weights 5500lbs
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My type of plane :aok
This and the Ki-43 and we could have some special events fun in the CBI :rock
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armament: 1 30 cal and 1 50 cal?...
uhm I think WWI planes would laugh at it :rofl
ya 1 50 cal is enough to take a wing off any ww1 plane and anyways like they have said itsa chalange try using a d3a to kill planes or a 202 with just the 50 cals makes fer a heck of a fight
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ya 1 50 cal is enough to take a wing off any ww1 plane and anyways like they have said itsa chalange try using a d3a to kill planes or a 202 with just the 50 cals makes fer a heck of a fight
99% of people just run away. :headscratch:
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My type of plane :aok
This and the Ki-43 and we could have some special events fun in the CBI :rock
Agreed. Amazed me to learn the RAF still had Hawks alongside Hurris as front line fighters into 1943 in the CBI.
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later production variants had 2 50s firing through the prop and 2-4 browning 30cals mounted in the wings
French Hawk75s didn.t have .50s and USAAF P-36s saw only brief combat during attack on Pearl Harbour. Finns did retrofit .50 cal war booty Berezins, Colts and domestic Lkk42s to Hawk75s though.
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look on wiki there wmaker
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look on wiki there wmaker
I have. What Wikipedia says is correct in that "ate models did have two .50s on the fuselage. But like I said they didn't see any combat with the USAAF as USAAF got rid of them by sending them to Peru under lend-lease.
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they saw combat at pearle harbor like you said so in your pervious post this one to be exact
French Hawk75s didn.t have .50s and USAAF P-36s saw only brief combat during attack on Pearl Harbour. Finns did retrofit .50 cal war booty Berezins, Colts and domestic Lkk42s to Hawk75s though.
and who said we had to have the french version anyway?
we could just have the XP-36D which is the one in question here with the 50s in the cowl
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they saw combat at pearle harbor like you said so in your pervious post this one to be exact and who said we had to have the french version anyway?
P-36 saw action in the Pearl Harbour only under USAAF and those aircraft left the factory with only one .50 cal in the fuselage. P-36Gs which had two .50s served as trainers for the Norwegeans in Canada and 30 left with the USAAF were imported to Peru under lend lease. So no P-36s/Hawks saw action with two .50cals
The reason to have a French import version instead of the USAAF P-36 is history. They fought hard for the French Air Force and, as mentioned, P-36 only saw action in Pearl Harbour with the USAAF.
The French Hawk is the one to have because of its rich and hard fought service history and the fact that there's no originally French units in the game yet.
we could just have the XP-36D which is the one in question here with the 50s in the cowl
There's no point adding prototypes into the game.
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Actually it was a rather competitive airframe in Battle Ground Europe. It was nimble, had good all around characteristics, and with 6 .30 cals it had enough to kill what it came up against. It was well liked by the countries Curtiss sold them to. The Finns were very fond of them.
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There's no point adding prototypes into the game.
Me 163 was a prototype and only saw few flights
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Me 163 was a prototype and only saw few flights
not true, it went into production.
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not true, it went into production.
it went into production but it was a prototype and it was i failure even though it went into combat :bolt:
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it went into production but it was a prototype and it was i failure even though it went into combat :bolt:
Negative. The Me163 was out of prototype and in series production and deployed in squadron strength. It is true that it wasn't very successful, but it did get a number of kills.
Not being successful doesn't magically make it still a prototype.
There are no prototypes in AH.
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Me 163 was a prototype and only saw few flights
Oh dear do you not even bother looking at wikipedia before typing on the forums? I just deleted one of your stupid comments off my signature a month ago - you remember about the "262 being a post war aircraft and wasn't in ww2".....
Prototypes for the Me163 flew early as 1941 with the Me-163A, however the Me-163B got a new engine (a rocket) which is what version we have in game. 30 Pre-production B models were designed with a pair of 20mms while 400 B-1 production models had 30mm Mk108s.
Me163 was in squadron strength and was in combat.
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Me 163 was a prototype and only saw few flights
Before you type this tripe, do a little bit of research so you won't look so dense.
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December 1943 about to take off on another Op in Burma. RAF seac markings
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Mohawk.jpg)
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+1 for P-36 (right after we get the Ki-43 and HE-111 of course)
I always have a hard time interpreting air speed. How fast do you think it would go on the deck?
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Finnish Hawk 75
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Curtiss_Hawk_75A-3_CU-562_.jpg)
(http://ww2photo.se/air/fin/curtiss/05151.jpg)
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The French have there own planes to add 1st!
D520- Ms406 and really should have there own plane in the game.
They were a large country and produced many of their own planes.
The Ms406 was also used by the Finns and would be a great addition to the Game.
I would like to see the Mohawk in the game however and the French had ordered 600 of them <all models combined>
The Finns bought some their's from the Germans after they took Norway. More came from the fall of France.
It could get many country's in the game Portugal, Holland, Norway, Thailand <had 23mm in the wings>,
Maybe we can get Portugal some skin in the game
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/portiguep-36.jpg)
Or Norway here's 1 the Finns didn't get these were delivered to Little Norway and used till there transition to P-38's
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/P-36norway.jpg)
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The French have there own planes to add 1st!
D520- Ms406 and really should have there own plane in the game.
It was the French (among the Finns) to whom Hawk played the largest role for. It was also the best fighter the French had in quantity during the BoF and as far as fighters go, also the one that had the biggest impact on the fighting.
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I would love to see the P-36 added, it would get a lot of use in Special Events. :aok
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It was the French to whom Hawk played the largest role for. It was also the best fighter the French had in quantity during the BoF and as far as fighter go also the one that had the biggest impact on the fighting.
Why would the French need some other countries plane when they made plenty of there their own?
Seams odd to me :headscratch: 1200 MS-406, 900 D-520 vs. 700 ordered and around 285 actually delivered P-36
Thank you for your input thouigh I have a plenty books on the subject <some in Finnish> and I acknowledged they <France> had many Mohawks.
The RAF also had alot most of the later Mohawks that were going to France and they distributed them as they saw fit, about 700 I believe.
The Dutch could also use a plane! Here's a snappy salute from Lt. Boxman
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/p-36dutch.jpg)
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Why would the French need some other countries plane when they made plenty of there their own?
You mean in game or in reality? What I mean was that, historically as far as results go, Hawk75 had the biggest success. Personally I'm not too hung up on which firm produced what but what happened in the actual war.
Seams odd to me :headscratch: 1200 MS-406, 900 D-520 vs. 700 ordered and around 285 actually delivered P-36
Never said it was the most numerous fighter but that it stood out with its success the best. The high number of victories scored by it in the Armee de l'Air is of course partly over claming as it is with most air forces and the French victory system also bloats the number a bit but that is the same for the other french fighters aswell.
EDIT/As far as the numbers strenght goes, it is good to remember that they were up against the numbers of the Luftwaffe and that D.520 production continued after fall of France./EDIT
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No 155 Squadron Agartala in August 1943 the plane in the lead is especially sexy
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/P-36RAF.jpg)
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It could get many country's in the game Portugal, Holland, Norway, Thailand <had 23mm in the wings>,
Portugal was neutral so we won't be seeing a skin from that country if we get the P-36. A Thai skin would require the addition of the Hawk 75N as that was the only model of the P-36 the Royal Thai Air Force used and it also had fixed landing gear.
(http://www.rcscalebuilder.com/forum/uploads/n59c/images/2010-06-07_014831_m_Hawk_75N_in_RTAF_Museum.jpg)
(http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/435860-2/SiamCurtissHawk75_2)
From what I was able to find, the Hawk 75N was a simplified version (simplified engines/fixed landing gear), the same for the Hawk 75M that were built for the Chinese. In any case, the Hawk 75N proved its worth during the brief Vinchy French-Thai War and during the Battle of Prachuab Khirikhan against the Japanese invaders.
The Hawk 75N also came with two gun packages, a single .50 caliber and .30 caliber in the nose and 2 .30 caliber guns in each wing. The 2nd gun package had the 2 23mm Madsen cannons under the wing and the single .50 caliber and .30 caliber in the nose but only 12 were outfitted this way.
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but it did say it was a production modify variant Wmaker so be experimental in this case wouldn't it mean there shipped out like that with the 2 50s in the cowl and 4 30s
and then I guess if we didn't get that one it would either be the USAAC version with the 4 30s in the wings or the P36C with additional 30s in the wings
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A lot of Air Forces used the Hawk.
France
(http://www.gaetanmarie.com/images/p36/p36-020.jpg)
Nationalist China
(http://www.gaetanmarie.com/images/p36/p36-018.jpg)
Finland
(http://www.gaetanmarie.com/images/p36/p36-016.jpg)
The Netherlands
(http://www.gaetanmarie.com/images/p36/p36-010.jpg)
Norway
(http://www.gaetanmarie.com/images/p36/p36-002.jpg)
United States
(http://www.gaetanmarie.com/images/p36/p36-003.jpg)
Vichy France
(http://www.gaetanmarie.com/images/p36/p36-008.jpg)
Germany
(http://www.gaetanmarie.com/images/p36/p36-019.jpg)
United Kingdom
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/78/pics/9_4.jpg)
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A lot of Air Forces used the Hawk.
France
(http://www.gaetanmarie.com/images/p36/p36-020.jpg)
Nationalist China
(http://www.gaetanmarie.com/images/p36/p36-018.jpg)
Finland
(http://www.gaetanmarie.com/images/p36/p36-016.jpg)
The Netherlands
(http://www.gaetanmarie.com/images/p36/p36-010.jpg)
Norway
(http://www.gaetanmarie.com/images/p36/p36-002.jpg)
United States
(http://www.gaetanmarie.com/images/p36/p36-003.jpg)
Vichy France
(http://www.gaetanmarie.com/images/p36/p36-008.jpg)
Germany
(http://www.gaetanmarie.com/images/p36/p36-019.jpg)
United Kingdom
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/78/pics/9_4.jpg)
I want the vichy france one lol its pertty
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You mean in game or in reality? What I mean was that, historically as far as results go, Hawk75 had the biggest success. Personally I'm not too hung up on which firm produced what but what happened in the actual war.
Never said it was the most numerous fighter but that it stood out with its success the best. The high number of victories scored by it in the Armee de l'Air is of course partly over claming as it is with most air forces and the French victory system also bloats the number a bit but that is the same for the other french fighters aswell.
EDIT/As far as the numbers strenght goes, it is good to remember that they were up against the numbers of the Luftwaffe and that D.520 production continued after fall of France./EDIT
Well if we want to talk kills to amount of Hawks 75's and who was best with it, it would definitely be another American/Finnish plane as they saw the greatest success with it. 41 or so planes from Norway and France via Germany, achieving an un-bolstered 190 kills? vs 285-400 planes of the French and 230 kills and as you say the French inflated their kills.
The French have their own planes that need representation.
This plane would be useful as a plane from another country.
Heck China manufactured them before the plant was moved to India. I'd rather see a Chinese version 1st. Or the SAAF or the Dutch.
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/p-36china.jpg)
Ack I was teasing with the Portuguese plane and ribbing with the Norwegian plane. However the Thai plane did do some fighting against the Japanese. 32 hour Battle of Prachuab Khri Khan where the Japanese were defeated.
Here's a better shot
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/Thaip-36.jpg)
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However the Thai plane did do some fighting against the Japanese. 32 hour Battle of Prachuab Khri Khan where the Japanese were defeated.
They also beat up the Vichy French pretty bad in the air.
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Variants
Model 75A - company-owned demonstrator aircraft flown with several engine fits
Model 75B - prototype with Wright 830hp R-1820 G3 engine
Model 75D - first prototype, Wright R-1670 engine
Model 75H - internal company designation for a simplified export version with fixed landing gear, two slightly differing aircraft built, first sold to China, second to Argentina
Model 75J - company-owned 75A temporarily fitted with an external supercharger
Model 75K - Unbuilt version, it was going to be powered by a Pratt & Whitney R-02180 Twin Hornet engine.
Model 75P - production P-36A (serial 38-010) fitted with Allison V-1710 liquid-cooled engine, prototype for Curtiss P-40
Model 75R - company-owned 75A temporarily fitted with R-1830-SC2-G engine with turbosupercharger, attained 330 mph (530 km/h) but proved complex and unreliable
Y1P-36 (Model 75E) - USAAC prototype, Pratt & Whitney R-1830 engine
P-36A (Model 75L) - USAAC version, P-26A-3 mounted four 0.30 in machine guns in the wings in addition to fuselage armament
P-36B - production P-36A fitted with an R-1830-25 engine producing 1,100 hp (820 kW), reached 313 mph (504 km/h), returned to original P-36A configuration
P-36C - an additional 0.30 in machine gun installed in each wing with external ammunition boxes under the wings, R-1830-17 engine with 1,200 hp (895 kW), last 30 production aircraft were completed as P-36Cs
XP-36D - production P-36A modified with 2 x 0.50 in machine guns in the nose and 4x 0.30 in machine guns in the wings
XP-36E - production P-36A armed with 4 x 0.30 in machine guns in the wings, retained standard fuselage guns
XP-36F - production P-36A fitted with 2 x 23 mm Madsen cannons under the wings.
P-36G - Hawk 75A-8 used by Norway for training in Canada, later to Peru. Wright R-1820-G205A engine with 1,200 hp (895 kW).
Hawk 75A-1 - French export version, 4 x 7.5 mm machine guns, R-1830-SC-G engine with 900 hp (671 kW), British aircraft designated Mohawk I
Hawk 75A-2 - French export version, R-1830-SC2-G engine with 1,050 hp (783 kW), 6x 7.5 mm machine guns, British aircraft designated Mohawk II
Hawk 75A-3 - French export version, Hawk 75A-2 with R-1830-S1C3G engine with 1,200 hp (895 kW), British aircraft designated Mohawk III
Hawk 75A-4 - French export version, Hawk 75A-2 with Wright R-1820-G205A Cyclone engine with 1,200 hp (895 kW), British aircraft designated Mohawk IV
Hawk 75A-5 - built under license in China (production was later moved to India), absorbed into RAF as Mohawk IV
Hawk 75A-6 - version for Norway, captured aircraft sent to Finland
Hawk 75A-7 - version for Netherlands East Indies: 1,200 hp Cyclone, 4 x 7.7 mm (two in nose, one in each wing) and 2 x 100 lb bombs.
Hawk 75A-8 - Export version for Norway. Later redesignated P-36G.
Hawk 75A-9 - 10 aircraft delivered to Persia, captured still in crates and used by RAF in India as Mohawk IVs
Hawk 75M - simplified version with fixed landing gear and Wright R-1820 Cyclone engine for China, built by both Curtiss and Central Aircraft Manufacturing Company in China
Hawk 75N - simplified version for Siam (Thailand)
Hawk 75O - simplified version for Argentine, 29 built by Curtiss with additional 200 built under license locally by Fabrica Militar de Aviones
Hawk 75Q - two additional simplified demonstrators for China
XP-37 - Allison V-1710 liquid-cooled engine, cockpit moved to the rear of the fuselage
YP-37 - service test version of XP-37, 13 built
XP-42 (Model 75S) - testbed for streamlining cowlings around air-cooled engines
Specifications (P-36A)
General characteristics
Crew: One
Length: 28 ft 6 in (8.7 m)
Wingspan: 37 ft 1 in (11.3 m)
Height: 9 ft 2 in (2.8 m)
Wing area: 235.6 ft² (21.9 m²)
Empty weight: 4,665 lb (2,116 kg)
Loaded weight: 5,867 lb (2,661 kg)
Max takeoff weight: lb (kg)
Powerplant: 1× Pratt & Whitney R-1830-13 Twin Wasp air-cooled radial piston engine, 1,050 hp (783 kW)
Performance
Maximum speed: 322 mph (518 km/h)
Cruise speed: 260 mph (420 km/h)
Range: 650 mi (1,046 km)
Service ceiling 32,340 ft (9,860 m)
Rate of climb: 2,500 ft/min (13 m/s)
Wing loading: 25 lb/ft² (122 kg/m²)
Power/mass: 0.18 hp/lb (0.29 kW/kg)
Armament
1 × 0.30 in machine gun
1 × 0.50 in machine gun
WMaker... Just for <G>'s which version of the Mohawk are you espousing, Keeping in mind that the later two never made it to France, 1 which could out turn and out fight the Ki-43, or the 900hp A-1... transparent? Also what are your thoughts on the Prototype Model 75B related to the B-239?
Thank you,
:cheers:
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I always have a hard time interpreting air speed. How fast do you think it would go on the deck?
Here's my estimate of the speeds based on French Air Force's flight testing. AH's P-40C's top speeds is thrown there for reference.
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Hawk75A_speeds.jpg)
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Mohawk saw long front-line service in Burma. Equipped 5Sqn until June 1943. 146 Sqn operated them temporarily before receiving Hurricane IIBs. 155 Sqn operated them from August 1942 until January 1944.
There is a report in "Air War for Burma" where Mohawk pilots speak of their ability to out-turn Ki43s. A feat indeed!
They were used for air defence, escort and ground attack. Jack of all trades and popular with their crews.
Not certain, but I believe the Mohawk IVs were the 1200hp model with 4 wing mounted mgs?
(http://www.personainternet.com/hjtoby/mendizab.jpg)
Picture is credited as being a 5 Sqn machine.
I've also read that they were involved in battles between Thailand (Siam) and French Indo-China (Vietnam) and that they were also manufactured under license in China.
Interesting plane.
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the reason the french ordered these is because we couldn't produce enough of our own types in time for the upcoming war. So we ordered all we could.
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Well if we want to talk kills to amount of Hawks 75's and who was best with it, it would definitely be another American/Finnish plane as they saw the greatest success with it. 41 or so planes from Norway and France via Germany, achieving an un-bolstered 190 kills? vs 285-400 planes of the French and 230 kills and as you say the French inflated their kills.
The French have their own planes that need representation.
Like I said, I'm not hung up on who built what but who flew what and how much action they saw. By my guestimate, the artwork for the Hawk is roughly 75% done with the P-40C vs. 0% of the domestic French fighters. And as French don't have any representation in AH's unit listing yet, Hawk would be a great way to get there with something that isn't as rescource intensive as a completely new aircraft. Hawk was the aircraft that had the most "battle value" of the planes French fielded in BoF. For example, as Finns soon found out, the Morane Saulnier was a nightmare to maintain and the 20mm Hispano HS404 was complete piece of garbage, it had no reliability to speak of. Hispano evolved into a great 20mm cannon but HS404 wasn't that yet. Hawk was rugged, reliable and relatively simple to maintain. These things aren't important in AH but those are part of the reason why Hawk was the best fighter what French had during BoF.
One author's view on the issue:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/frenchfighters1.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/frenchfighters2.jpg)
WMaker... Just for <G>'s which version of the Mohawk are you espousing, Keeping in mind that the later two never made it to France, 1 which could out turn and out fight the Ki-43, or the 900hp A-1... transparent? Also what are your thoughts on the Prototype Model 75B related to the B-239?
Only four 1200hp Cyclone-equipped Hawk75A-4 got to France before the armstice, so the natural choise would be A-3. The planes differed very little overall. There were small differences with armament (4 or 6 guns) and engine subvariants. They all were powerred with Twin Wasps from A-1 to A-3. The biggest performance difference would come from the fuel. 100 octane fuel made it possible to use Twin Wasp's wep-setting which would give 1200hp for 5mins on the deck instead of the 1050hp mil (see the chart I posted). I have no certain knowledge but I remember reading that 100 octane fuel never got to the Hawk units during BoF.
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+1 to the hawk. Would be perfect for battle of France or continuation war scenarios.
Would the engine performance on the deck be comparable to the F4F?
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probably pretty close wildcat but I'm not for sure
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Would the engine performance on the deck be comparable to the F4F?
Both had P&W Twin Wasp (Hawks A-1 - A-3) but they were different variants. Hawk's engine normally delivered that 1050hp vs. F4F's 1200hp at sea level. The biggest difference is in the supercharger. Hawk had a single-speed one while the F4F-4 had a two-speed unit. Ie. F4F-4 had a clearly more modern variant of the same basic engine as it became operational later.
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I think the P-36/Model 75 would make a great addition. It makes the Francophiles and the Early War guys happy. Nothing wrong
with that :aok
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I like it because it sounds good :aok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpJcxIBA26A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpJcxIBA26A)
Interesting, it apparently had an inertial starter as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShRekbtRpU0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShRekbtRpU0)
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very cool vids
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Interesting, it apparently had an inertial starter as well.
The plane in the video has Wright Cyclone. Pratt equipped Hawks that had 12 volt electrical system had an electric starter in addition to the Eclipse inertia starter.
Some cockpit pics:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Hawk_cockpit1.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Hawk_cockpit2.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Hawk_cockpit3.jpg)
As can be seen, the cockpit is very close to that of the early P-40 variants and most differences are just cosmetic. Biggest differences to the AH P-40C for example are the lack of armored glass, different gunsight and smaller MG butts. At least to me it looks like that the cockpit is the most work intensive part of a new model and because of that and the fact that there are only cosmetic changes when it comes to the exterior model from firewall aft, I'd say that the Hawk is mostly done art-wise.
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No doubt it does look like a p40 with a radial engine and a bit more elliptical wing and instead of 4 30s to six right maker??
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Thanks for the info on the different engines, seems like I have never seen them start before now. It was either stopped or in flight
already. What first attracted me to the Hawk were the temporary paintjobs for the 1940 wargames..wild stuff.
(http://daddybobphotos.com/Aircraft/Manufacturer/MilitaryImages/P36-Hawk.jpg)
The P-40 should resemble the P-36, as I recall the P-40 was originally a P-36 with the Allison engine installed.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Xp_40.jpg)
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I'm sure the Brits used the Hawk early in the war before the US entered. The Hawks were in theater in the Burma Rangoon
area the same time that the Flying Tigers were in China.
I'm all in with the Hawk as an addition.
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I'm sure the Brits used the Hawk early in the war before the US entered. The Hawks were in theater in the Burma Rangoon
Yep they controlled about 750 or so Hawks sent to different locations. I believe the Poles received about 190 of them. This would make a great Polish entry into the game or Chinese.
The French only received about 300. These and the more prolific with more kills in the BOF, the Ms-406 were being replaced as fast as possible with the D.520.
They also had the Potez 630-637 at the beginning of the war and the Bloch 151-155. Only 2 which 1000 or more were produced being the Potez63 and the Ms.406
The Hawk should not be included as a french plane they have plenty of there own planes.
Potez 630-637
(http://francecrashes39-45.net/phot_tech/potez63-3.jpg)
Bloch 151-155
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/bloch155-152.jpg)
MS-406
(http://aarc.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/images/ms406-2.jpg)
D-520
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/d520hawk.jpg)
Bre. 693
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT38HsWlGdX2bmOmc56ixfbTk4FAU8Spt8oyBZTVZQxCzwz-bfxpw)
:cheers:
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Yet again I am all in for inclusionn of a new series of aircraft especially ones that so many different countries used.
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The Hawk should not be included as a french plane they have plenty of there own planes.
Why an earth not? By that logic Boston III wouldn't have British default markings. It's not like any plane that will be the first for French Air Force needs to be the last one. When it comes to aircraft that will be mostly used in Special Events, it doesn't matter who built what but who used what and how much. That way the benefit is maximised when it comes to having a representive plane set to again virtually fight the aireal battles that occurrred during WWII.
- There's no units under French currently.
- There are plenty of aircraft under RAF.
- There is a Brewster representing small Finnish Air Force.
I guess the Dutch could be one alternative but the Hawks saw so little action for the Dutch that France is much much more sensible choise.
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- There is a Brewster representing small Finnish Air Force.
I guess the Dutch could be one alternative but the Hawks saw so little action for the Dutch that France is much much more sensible choise.
As there should be the Boomerang representing the small? RAAF
The French were capable of making there own aircraft and and made about 3 thousand fighters. I understand why you feel the way you do.
The Dutch, Chinese or Poles..... Good place for the Hawk make it all 3.
The French had 90 , A1 and A2 hawks ready to go on May 10 1940 that's it, but you want it to be the French entry into the game.
I do not think that is reasonable.
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You are caught up in this French/American title. It was a plane built to French specs, for the French, used in, and pretty much the hero OF the battle of France.
It is your personal failure to grasp that it is the quintessential French plane, not ours.
Besides, you're wrong on the above, the M.S.405/406 also had 1000 build. I'd guess others as well.
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You are caught up in this French/American title. It was a plane built to French specs, for the French, used in, and pretty much the hero OF the battle of France.
It is your personal failure to grasp that it is the quintessential French plane, not ours.
Besides, you're wrong on the above, the M.S.405/406 also had 1000 build. I'd guess others as well.
More were used by the RAF than the French you know why they never got them... Hark.
No your wrong there were 1200+ ms406, and 1385+ Potez 63, 775 dewotine, 685 Bloch 15o's, and 330 <US>lend lease hawks.