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Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Lusche on September 26, 2007, 05:30:35 PM: Wooot! Thanks HTC for seperate scores for each arena type from next tour on! I'm very happy to see this implemented, even though my fancy and all-important LW rank will suffer badly (no more milky unopposed base captures) ;)

:aok
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Husky01 on September 26, 2007, 05:43:14 PM: haha woot!
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: APDrone on September 26, 2007, 06:00:00 PM: For those of you saying "eh?"

It's an announcement on the MOTD that pops up when you log into one of the MAs.

Just so you don't go wandering around the BBS, Home Page, or CNN looking for such an announcement... like some people ( insert classic roll-eye smiley here )
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: 1Boner on September 26, 2007, 06:03:23 PM: WOW!!

I thought your were kidding at 1st!

Then I went into the game.

There it was-----------Nirvana!!

I'd like to see what the ranks would look like if they split up our current scores right now!!

Great Move HT!!

Boner
Title: Rock on!
Post by: TalonX on September 26, 2007, 06:07:11 PM: Nice move.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Lusche on September 26, 2007, 06:18:15 PM: Quote
Originally posted by 1Boner
I'd like to see what the ranks would look like if they split up our current scores right now!!

Still the same ole running scorepotatos at the top ;)

One thought just coming to my mind: If there is no overall ranking (like all 3 arenas combined) EW/MW may see even less players - milking EW doesn't boost your rank anymore. Would be a pity, they were such fine targets :D
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: ink on September 26, 2007, 06:19:27 PM: this is cool but it just means my score will suk all that much more.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: SFCHONDO on September 26, 2007, 06:49:34 PM: Quote
Originally posted by ink
this is cool but it just means my score will suk all that much more.

Do you get paid for a GOOD Score? If not then it really doesn't matter then....now does it. :D
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: jhookt on September 26, 2007, 06:51:28 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Lusche
Still the same ole running scorepotatos at the top ;)

One thought just coming to my mind: If there is no overall ranking (like all 3 arenas combined) EW/MW may see even less players - milking EW doesn't boost your rank anymore. Would be a pity, they were such fine targets :D

but at least it will make it as tough as it used to be. seeing certain sqd's have over 200 base captures a month struck a nerve after a while.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Virage on September 26, 2007, 07:12:42 PM: Thank Goodness.

This is the best way to make the communities of EW and MW grow.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: VansCrew1 on September 26, 2007, 07:33:53 PM: Good,Haxer will not be #1 no more...

WTG HTC.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: SkyRock on September 26, 2007, 08:25:50 PM: Quote
Originally posted by VansCrew1
Good,Haxer will not be #1 no more...

WTG HTC.

Double negative, Jake, I thought you were going to work on your grammar?

:noid

I will agree, I do not see AXER and DEXTUR being highly ranked from now on. :lol
Title: Re: Seperate scores!
Post by: yanksfan on September 26, 2007, 08:26:43 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Lusche
Wooot! Thanks HTC for seperate scores for each arena type from next tour on! I'm very happy to see this implemented, even though my fancy and all-important LW rank will suffer badly (no more milky unopposed base captures) ;)

:aok

I think this will be a good thing:aok
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: yanksfan on September 26, 2007, 08:30:33 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Lusche
Still the same ole running scorepotatos at the top ;)

One thought just coming to my mind: If there is no overall ranking (like all 3 arenas combined) EW/MW may see even less players - milking EW doesn't boost your rank anymore. Would be a pity, they were such fine targets :D

Not sure about early, but i think mid may have a population growth, either way if they both go the way of the dodo, so be it.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Stang on September 26, 2007, 09:31:06 PM: Quote
Originally posted by VansCrew1
Good,Haxer will not be #1 no more...

WTG HTC.
I hunted down his B25 milking a strat today in MW.

:lol
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: LYNX on September 26, 2007, 09:41:59 PM: Will early and mid war arenas stay populated ?

Will score milkers survive in the MA ?

All will be revealed in the next TOD :rofl :rofl :aok
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Raptor on September 26, 2007, 09:47:18 PM: Woot! Now I can not care about rank in 6 arenas!
Title: Re: Seperate scores!
Post by: E25280 on September 26, 2007, 09:49:04 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Lusche
Wooot! Thanks HTC for seperate scores for each arena type from next tour on! I'm very happy to see this implemented, even though my fancy and all-important LW rank will suffer badly (no more milky unopposed base captures) ;)

:aok
You assume they will care where they get their ranking. Maybe I am too cynical, but I think the same milkers will stick to EW and MW arenas since it will now be easier for them to have a good rank score.

After all, isn't success without opposition exactly what milkers want?
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Stang on September 26, 2007, 09:49:50 PM: Oh, and Lusche... it's separate.

:D
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: B@tfinkV on September 26, 2007, 10:00:08 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SFCHONDO
watch as i make them sway....left to right to left to right to left......yes....you like them dont you...you cant stop looking can you?

:D
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: gpwurzel on September 26, 2007, 10:02:07 PM: Nose, coffee and keyboard moment - thanks Bat........lol.....

Wurzel
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: FBplmmr on September 26, 2007, 10:03:50 PM: roflmao batfink
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: SFCHONDO on September 26, 2007, 10:32:33 PM: Quote
Originally posted by FBplmmr
roflmao batfink

Ditto

Sorry I mean Double Ditto :D
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Citabria on September 26, 2007, 11:02:48 PM: stang where ya been?

check your PM mailbox :D
Title: Re: Re: Seperate scores!
Post by: NoBaddy on September 26, 2007, 11:38:52 PM: Quote
Originally posted by E25280
You assume they will care where they get their ranking. Maybe I am too cynical, but I think the same milkers will stick to EW and MW arenas since it will now be easier for them to have a good rank score.

After all, isn't success without opposition exactly what milkers want?

To a certain extent, you are correct. What it will do is take away the incentive for experienced players to come pump their scores in EW/MW. Not really a bad thing. :)
Title: I can't wait to see outcome !!!
Post by: Phil on September 27, 2007, 12:20:59 AM: WTG HTC !

I can't wait to see the results !

Phil:aok :aok :aok
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: BaldEagl on September 27, 2007, 12:26:34 AM: While I was one of the early and consistant proponents of seperating the scoring, it's funny that two days ago I decided I should post opposing it (but didn't get around to it).

Now that it will become reality, I know for my own part, that my trips to EW, while currently limited to once or twice a month will become zero times per month while my trips to MW will be limited to the minimum number of missions required to achive score in each catagory.

While initially, my purposes for visiting these arenas was to sneak unopposed base captures (which, BTW, became ridiculously high) to keep up with the "regulars" in these arenas to maintain my vehicle/bomber rankings, I most often found myself doing much more... fighter missions (yes, a few there do fly fighters and actually like to fight), attack missions and vehicle base defense missions.

I now think that ultimately, this move will further reduce and limit the number of players visiting these arenas. I fear their demise is quickly approaching and MW, at least, was fun if the numbers were decent (30+).

Besides that... two less maps to choose from playing on.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Gianlupo on September 27, 2007, 02:23:21 AM: Quote
Originally posted by APDrone
For those of you saying "eh?"

It's an announcement on the MOTD that pops up when you log into one of the MAs.

Just so you don't go wandering around the BBS, Home Page, or CNN looking for such an announcement... like some people ( insert classic roll-eye smiley here )

Thanks, Drone, I'm not flying in these days, I was gonna do that! :D

Don't worry, Lusche, SOARs will always be in EW! ;)

Batfink, roflmao... and three! :D

Oh, of course.... thank you, HTC!
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Nilsen on September 27, 2007, 02:24:56 AM: wtg HTC :aok
Title: scores
Post by: Jeff W on September 27, 2007, 07:33:52 AM: well just wondering is there going to be a seperate rank leaders at the end of the tour as well if so i think that may draw more players to these arenas
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Simaril on September 27, 2007, 08:27:01 AM: Be really interesting to see what happens, but it does make the large arena scores more meaningful.

Who knows -- when it comes to those who like playing for score, maybe the EW and MW will end up being the Double A and Triple A Leagues for the MAs' Majors?
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Scca on September 27, 2007, 10:14:17 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Simaril
Be really interesting to see what happens, but it does make the large arena scores more meaningful.
I agree...
Quote

Who knows -- when it comes to those who like playing for score, maybe the EW and MW will end up being the Double A and Triple A Leagues for the MAs' Majors?

Not so sure I agree on this. I would say that being #1 in any of the three will carry the same weight. I predict that the better scoring players will be shooting for top honors in all three. We may see many of the same names, but now in three places. I also predict that the EW and MW will have larger numbers on average.

Like any game, when the rules change, so does the way you play if your goal is to win. For those who think "winning" is to have the best overall rank(s), then they will figure out how to split time in order to do just that.

Don't get me wrong, I thinks it's a great idea to split the rankings like HTC is doing. I just think it will change the style of play, not who ends up being ranked at the top.

It could be interesting...
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: MotorOil1 on September 27, 2007, 11:04:04 AM: Should be interesting to see what happens. It will either drain completely the usage of the EW/MW or you will see numbers consistently higher. You may get players who will fly certain arenas exclusively. Only the guys with tons of time on their hands will be flying all three just to get a ranking in all three arenas.

Personally I think you'll see guys consistently flying in the same arena, what will happen is we'll see exactly how many are out there who were just padding their scores.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Simaril on September 27, 2007, 11:04:55 AM: Yeah, interesting it will be.

BTW I didnt mean to put down any arena -- only meant that with smaller numbers, it is GOING to be easier to get a good rank in the EW/MW arenas than it is in the MA. Not only are there more people to compete with in the "big league", but it is far, far, far harder to predict what is going to happen. Harder to maintain SA, more likely to find a surprise like opposing missions bumping in to each other.

In that sense, the smaller arenas are going to be easier to score well in.

I hadn't even thought of the "Triple Crown" effect -- I'd bet it really would be a challenge for even the most dedicated player to top the score heap in all 3 arenas.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: BaldEagl on September 27, 2007, 11:15:12 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Scca
I predict that the better scoring players will be shooting for top honors in all three. We may see many of the same names, but now in three places.

I don't think so. As a recent score-potato I'll be sticking to one arena (LW) so I'm not wasting my time with something that won't help out my rank/score.

It's gets pretty competetive in the top 80 or so so I'm sure many others will do the same.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Carwash on September 27, 2007, 11:23:11 AM: About time.

Thanks HTC
Title: Say what?? EW, MW, LW own tour??
Post by: RATTFINK on September 27, 2007, 12:01:54 PM: As of the start of the next tour, we will be giving the Early, Mid, and Late War arenas into their own tour.

:huh

Clarify please.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Tiger on September 27, 2007, 12:02:35 PM: Havn't been able to log on and play lately to read the official announcement... are the two LW's gonnabe scored seperate or together?
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Gianlupo on September 27, 2007, 12:20:37 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Scca
I predict that the better scoring players will be shooting for top honors in all three.

We'll finally see who are the nerds without a social life! :D

EDIT: question... in the above sentence, what is the correct form? "who are the nerds without a social life" or "who the nerds without a social life are"? :p
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: storch on September 27, 2007, 12:33:55 PM: I predict eaglehrt will have three accounts, three computers and be hiding in the corner of three spawn hangers simultaneously at a VH near you.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Laciner on September 27, 2007, 12:46:58 PM: "We'll finally see who are the nerds without a social life!

EDIT: question... in the above sentence, what is the correct form? "who are the nerds without a social life" or "who the nerds without a social life are"?"

Unfortunately you have boxed yourself into a corner. Your original formulation would pass for conventional English, but it is clumsy, not least because you should really say "the nerds without social lives". Your alternative formulation, "who the nerds without a social life are", would cause the English government of England to issue a fatwa against you. It is a betrayal of everything that Winston Churchill, Lady Diana, Lord Beaverbrook, Clement Attlee, George Best, Henry V, and Dan Dare fought for.

You could say "we will finally see the nerds without a social life!", but even that is unsatisfying. The problem is that "finally see" does not strongly imply finding something, but "finally find" is clumsy, and "finally locate" or "finally determine" sound robotic. At this point I would give up entirely. That's why I envy you, because you have the vim to actually create something, even if it is flawed, whereas I am locked into the pursuit of an unattainable perfection.

It pushed, I would scrap the sentence entirely and write either "we will find the King of the Nerds", or "some people think that flight sim fans are nerds who spend hours in front of their computers, instead of partying and having fun with girls, and also drinking. But with three separate scoring arenas, we will finally put that distorted stereotype to rest."

I'm going to proof-read this message, and then proof-read it again.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: BaldEagl on September 27, 2007, 01:04:55 PM: "who the nerds without a social life are"

As in "We will finally see who they are", they being "the nerds without a social life".
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Scca on September 27, 2007, 01:09:45 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Laciner
"We'll finally see who are the nerds without a social life!

EDIT: question... in the above sentence, what is the correct form? "who are the nerds without a social life" or "who the nerds without a social life are"?"

Unfortunately you have boxed yourself into a corner. Your original formulation would pass for conventional English, but it is clumsy, not least because you should really say "the nerds without social lives". Your alternative formulation, "who the nerds without a social life are", would cause the English government of England to issue a fatwa against you. It is a betrayal of everything that Winston Churchill, Lady Diana, Lord Beaverbrook, Clement Attlee, George Best, Henry V, and Dan Dare fought for.

You could say "we will finally see the nerds without a social life!", but even that is unsatisfying. The problem is that "finally see" does not strongly imply finding something, but "finally find" is clumsy, and "finally locate" or "finally determine" sound robotic. At this point I would give up entirely. That's why I envy you, because you have the vim to actually create something, even if it is flawed, whereas I am locked into the pursuit of an unattainable perfection.

It pushed, I would scrap the sentence entirely and write either "we will find the King of the Nerds", or "some people think that flight sim fans are nerds who spend hours in front of their computers, instead of partying and having fun with girls, and also drinking. But with three separate scoring arenas, we will finally put that distorted stereotype to rest."

I'm going to proof-read this message, and then proof-read it again.
:huh
Nothing like an english lesson from an englishman.... and relevant too...NOT!
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: TEShaw on September 27, 2007, 02:00:52 PM: IF pushed...

[I'm not fussy; but, you did say that you were proof-reading twice.]
Title: Re: Seperate scores!
Post by: shamroc on September 27, 2007, 02:03:37 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Lusche
Wooot! Thanks HTC for seperate scores for each arena type from next tour on! I'm very happy to see this implemented, even though my fancy and all-important LW rank will suffer badly (no more milky unopposed base captures) ;)

:aok

Should be _really_ interesting to see how this affects the early and mid arena player numbers....

Shamroc
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: FrodeMk3 on September 27, 2007, 02:11:54 PM: Possibly a first...A major change to the game that everyone agrees on?

Btw, It was high time for this. :aok
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Lusche on September 27, 2007, 02:27:32 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Tiger
Havn't been able to log on and play lately to read the official announcement... are the two LW's gonnabe scored seperate or together?

Together
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: kamilyun on September 27, 2007, 02:36:46 PM: Quote
Originally posted by storch
I predict eaglehrt will have three accounts, three computers and be hiding in the corner of three spawn hangers simultaneously at a VH near you.

:rofl

That reminds me...I need to go put my AH survivor island vote in.. :)
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Gianlupo on September 27, 2007, 05:02:52 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Laciner
"We'll finally see who are the nerds without a social life!

EDIT: question... in the above sentence, what is the correct form? "who are the nerds without a social life" or "who the nerds without a social life are"?"

Unfortunately you have boxed yourself into a corner. Your original formulation would pass for conventional English, but it is clumsy, not least because you should really say "the nerds without social lives". Your alternative formulation, "who the nerds without a social life are", would cause the English government of England to issue a fatwa against you. It is a betrayal of everything that Winston Churchill, Lady Diana, Lord Beaverbrook, Clement Attlee, George Best, Henry V, and Dan Dare fought for.

You could say "we will finally see the nerds without a social life!", but even that is unsatisfying. The problem is that "finally see" does not strongly imply finding something, but "finally find" is clumsy, and "finally locate" or "finally determine" sound robotic. At this point I would give up entirely. That's why I envy you, because you have the vim to actually create something, even if it is flawed, whereas I am locked into the pursuit of an unattainable perfection.

It pushed, I would scrap the sentence entirely and write either "we will find the King of the Nerds", or "some people think that flight sim fans are nerds who spend hours in front of their computers, instead of partying and having fun with girls, and also drinking. But with three separate scoring arenas, we will finally put that distorted stereotype to rest."

I'm going to proof-read this message, and then proof-read it again.

:rofl

Thank you, Laciner, you gave me good laughs :) And thanks to you, too, BaldEagl! ;)
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Rino on September 27, 2007, 05:15:16 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Raptor
Woot! Now I can not care about rank in 6 arenas!

but WE still care about your rank :D
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: RATTFINK on September 27, 2007, 05:29:33 PM: Yeah, it’s really time for the scorepotatos to wipe the I Got Milk smile off their face :rofl :rofl :rofl

It will be really funny to see who in the prev. top 10’s drop completely out due to their not wanting to show their true colors.

I think this will put somewhat of an honorable meaning on the whole rank thing even though it means nothing unless you truly are a great stick w/o the vulching, hoing, milk running, & so on and so forth, then again the only thing rank is good for is for moving CV’s around.

IT WILL BE EXTREMELY FUNNY TO SEE WHO HAS MILK ON THEIR FACE :D

cuz that would be baaaaaaaaaaad'...

(http://www.holymyrrhbearers.com/images/Maude%2012/Got%20milk%20OL.jpg)
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Lusche on September 27, 2007, 05:34:37 PM: Quote
Originally posted by RATTFINK
Yeah, it’s really time for the scorepotatos to wipe the I Got Milk smile off their face :rofl :rofl :rofl

It will be really funny to see who in the prev. top 10’s drop completely out due to their not wanting to show their true colors.

I think this will put somewhat of an honorable meaning on the whole rank thing even though it means nothing unless you truly are a great stick w/o the vulching, hoing, milk running, & so on and so forth, then again the only thing rank is good for is for moving CV’s around.

IT WILL BE EXTREMELY FUNNY TO SEE WHO HAS MILK ON THEIR FACE :D

I always have the lower populated LW arena. Usually it has only around 12-20 players when I log on, so I can still get my fresh LW milk there :)
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: RATTFINK on September 27, 2007, 05:38:40 PM: Will this proves that the Europeans & Australians will have alot more milk then ;)

Hiya Lusche <>
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: LYNX on September 27, 2007, 05:59:27 PM: Quote
Originally posted by RATTFINK
Will this proves that the Europeans & Australians will have alot more milk then ;)

Hiya Lusche <>

Rightly pointed out but also include unemployed, shift workers, home workers, retired, self employed, long term sick and lastly those school kids that should be up to mischief out on the streets.

The off peak players will, as Lusche points out, can always take advantage of the low populated arena. One notch better than off line play in my opinion:rolleyes: but here lye's the next bone of contention about LW top scorers......time will tell
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: yanksfan on September 27, 2007, 07:02:49 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Simaril
Yeah, interesting it will be.

I hadn't even thought of the "Triple Crown" effect -- I'd bet it really would be a challenge for even the most dedicated player to top the score heap in all 3 arenas.

That will be alot of porkin, even for the biggest porkers! :lol
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: waystin2 on September 28, 2007, 07:19:00 AM: Quote
Originally posted by RATTFINK

It will be really funny to see who in the prev. top 10’s drop completely out due to their not wanting to show their true colors.

Whether this statement is true or not(no insult intended Rattfink), it would be nice to run into some of the higher ranked players every once in a while. One on the best ways to improve is to go up against someone more skilled than yourself. Good move HTC!
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: RATTFINK on September 28, 2007, 09:03:11 AM: NO offense taken sir. I totally agree. But will they still be "really" the top players or were they just milking it? This is something to be seen.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Lusche on September 28, 2007, 10:26:19 AM: Quote
Originally posted by BaldEagl
While I was one of the early and consistant proponents of seperating the scoring, it's funny that two days ago I decided I should post opposing it (but didn't get around to it).

Now that it will become reality, I know for my own part, that my trips to EW, while currently limited to once or twice a month will become zero times per month while my trips to MW will be limited to the minimum number of missions required to achive score in each catagory.

I now think that ultimately, this move will further reduce and limit the number of players visiting these arenas. I fear their demise is quickly approaching and MW, at least, was fun if the numbers were decent (30+).

Besides that... two less maps to choose from playing on.

I'm afraid you could be right in the long run. Milkrunners no more visiting EW means even less players, - on only milkers but also people hunting them.

For that very reason I though about retaining some kind of overall rank. Score & rank each arena seperately, but combine it to get some overall ranking.

For example to get overall fighter #1, you have to get a high rank in ALL three arenas, EW, MW & LW.
This could result in more actual combats in EW than we are seeing today. Until know, many people used EW to boost their bomber rank and did fly fighters in LW only for obious reason (easier to pick there, and you are basically ruining your k/s & k/h in EW)
With a combined rank computed by adding rank # from all three arenas, (some) players would have a incentive to actually fight there.

Of course, all above thoughts are completely irrelevant to those players not caring about rank at all - in my opinion the majority of all players. ;)
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: MjTalon on September 28, 2007, 10:26:29 AM: WTFG HTC!:aok
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Gianlupo on September 28, 2007, 10:36:49 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Lusche
For that very reason I though about retaining some kind of overall rank. Score & rank each arena seperately, but combine it to get some overall ranking.

LOL! It didn't even started yet, and the milkrunners are already whining! :D ;)

Next stop, HTC? Get ourselves rid of score at all!
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Lusche on September 28, 2007, 10:37:39 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Gianlupo
LOL! It didn't even started yet, and the milkrunners are already whining! :D ;)

And where exactly I am whining?
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Bruv119 on September 28, 2007, 10:41:45 AM: Maybe go about it in a whole different way.

Scrap the monthly tour and record all kills per year.

Whoever has the most kills wins!

Make it searchable for KD, hit %, fighter kills, bomber kills etc etc.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Scca on September 28, 2007, 10:44:59 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Bruv119
Maybe go about it in a whole different way.

Scrap the monthly tour and record all kills per year.

Whoever has the most kills wins!

Make it searchable for KD, hit %, fighter kills, bomber kills etc etc.
My one issue with the "most kills per year" thing is there are people with poor rank (as it's calculated now), but many kills because they have more time to play than others. This will not fully represent those who have less time to play.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Bruv119 on September 28, 2007, 10:54:01 AM: Scca you can apply that same theory to what we have now. The guys with more time on their hands will most likely rank higher and have more kills.

A quick search on KD or Kills per sortie will reveal the better killer / vulchers.

IE selecting fighter rank only.

Obviously people can see how much time a player has put in and if they feature high up the list you could say wow Scca is 10th but has played 1/2 the time of the guy in 1st place he must be badass etc etc.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Bruv119 on September 28, 2007, 10:58:29 AM: I see the whole milking issue as people trying their best to get low numbers on their scorecard to feature at the top of the scoring lists.

At least with an annual log people will be more inclined to just play, kill and enjoy than worrying about how low they can go.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Lusche on September 28, 2007, 11:23:15 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Bruv119
Scca you can apply that same theory to what we have now. The guys with more time on their hands will most likely rank higher and have more kills.

Kill total is currently only 20% of total fighter rank computation. You can still play far less time than average and get some "decent" ranking.

In your proposal, kill numbers would make up 100%. Absolutely not better than what we have now.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: NoBaddy on September 28, 2007, 03:53:09 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Lusche

For that very reason I though about retaining some kind of overall rank. Score & rank each arena seperately, but combine it to get some overall ranking.

I know that HT was considering something along these lines. Hopefully, it is what he will do.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Gianlupo on September 28, 2007, 03:59:49 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Lusche
And where exactly I am whining?

Lol, Lusche, see the smilies? I was kidding... it's just funny that you were the first one to compliment HTC for score separation and, then, the first one to ask for something that is really like having a single score... ;)
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Lusche on September 28, 2007, 04:01:20 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Gianlupo
Lol, Lusche, see the smilies? I was kidding... it's just funny that you were the first one to compliment HTC for score separation and, then, the first one to ask for something that is really like having a single score... ;)

If you have really read it, you would have noted that I don't want a single SCORE at all. :aok
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: SlapShot on September 28, 2007, 04:02:07 PM: Oh for the love of Mike ... now I have to not care about 3 different ranks ... thanks HT for tripling my not care factor.

Wasn't this Guppy's idea ? ... if not, I am still gonna blame it on him.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Gianlupo on September 28, 2007, 04:02:52 PM: Well, how can you define a ranking without something that is, in the end, a score? If that is what you are referring to....
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: BaldEagl on September 28, 2007, 04:11:59 PM: I like Lushe's idea because it would force all the score potato's to go play in each of the arenas and force them to play every aspect of the game in each arena.

The down side is for the guys who are now able to achive a decent rank even though they don't play that much. They'd have a much more difficult time ranking decently.

Oh, and by the way, if the ranks are all done seperatley how in the world are there ever going to be 50 players ranked in EW? That's more than visit there in a month ;)
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: SlapShot on September 28, 2007, 04:42:58 PM: Quote
Originally posted by BaldEagl
Oh, and by the way, if the ranks are all done seperatley how in the world are there ever going to be 50 players ranked in EW? That's more than visit there in a month ;)

50 is the max ... nothing stopping the display of less than 50.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Lusche on September 28, 2007, 04:43:54 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Gianlupo
Well, how can you define a ranking without something that is, in the end, a score? If that is what you are referring to....

In my idea, scores are strictly seperate:
One k/h in EW, one in MW, one in LW. Same for k/s ect.

All scores translate in arena specific ranks:
One fighter rank in EW, one fighter rank in MW, and one in LW

then add an overall RANK only (not score!). Based upon combined ranks, not combined scores.
For example like this:

Fighter ranks tour 99:
overall EW MW LW
Player A 2 5 4 5
Player B 3 15 8 1
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Gianlupo on September 29, 2007, 03:49:44 AM: Ok, Lusche, I got it, but I don't think it would change much comparing that to the actual system. In the end, the score potatos will again milk run, avoiding each other to have the highest possible ranks... just as it is now.

In fact, I'd like to correct one of my previous statement, as I mistyped it: next stop is to get rid of ranking. Then, only then, we'll be free of milk running!
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: DieAz on September 29, 2007, 04:24:58 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Gianlupo
We'll finally see the ones, that don't have a life! :D

fixed :p
in the above, it is understood. you meant nerds, geeks, etc.
No-lifers in general.

which is entirely dependant on a personal point of view.

each so called class, can call others, in other different so called classes, as having no life.

anyway that is a different subject.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Tigeress on September 29, 2007, 05:23:56 AM: Quote
Originally posted by B@tfinkV
:D

BatGuy! You crack me up! ...as always!

I swear, reading these forum threads is more entertaining
than Saturday Night Live! :rofl :rofl :rofl

Can you spell obsessed? hahahahahaha :p

TIGERESS
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Lusche on September 29, 2007, 06:33:59 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Gianlupo
Ok, Lusche, I got it, but I don't think it would change much comparing that to the actual system. In the end, the score potatos will again milk run, avoiding each other to have the highest possible ranks... just as it is now.

There is a big common misconception. Avoiding fights does only help your bomber rank, and to a small part your attack rank.

To get a high fighter rank, you HAVE to engage the enemy.

Currently we have few real fights in EW. Most action is done by secret GV sneaks and cruiser bombardement with sudden LVT rushes. When people are looking for fighter kills, they are going to LW, because fighting in EW is much more "risky" in some ways.

My proposal may give some people more reasons to fight in EW & MW.

At this point I would like to emphasize again that the upcoming score split as such is a fine thing to me and I am happy about it. My overall rank proposal is just meant as a possible minor addition.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: DieAz on September 29, 2007, 07:42:06 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Gianlupo
Now we gonna see, who ain't got a life!

or this way.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Grits on September 29, 2007, 07:48:22 AM: Cool, we are going to have scores now?
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: RumbleB on September 29, 2007, 09:05:22 AM: Finally.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: SteveBailey on September 29, 2007, 10:30:23 AM: Quote
Originally posted by BaldEagl
I like Lushe's idea because it would force all the score potato's to go play in each of the arenas and force them to play every aspect of the game in each arena.

Why would you want to force anyone to do anything?
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Gianlupo on September 29, 2007, 11:16:01 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Lusche
To get a high fighter rank, you HAVE to engage the enemy.

That's the problem, Lusche, this is just part of the situation. Yes, you have to engage. No, you don't have to FIGHT. The truth is, if you care about your ranking, you'll just do whatever you can to boost your kills minimizing your deaths... and we all know what that means.... vulching, picking, running... that's why I think an overall rank would do no good.

Btw, I know you like the idea of separate scores, you were the one who started this thread ;) My only objection is to what you proposed later. I think that the best gift we can have from HTC is no ranking at all.

Quote
Originally posted by DieAz

Now we gonna see, who ain't got a life!

or this way.

Woot! I missed my personal grammar trainer! :D Btw, I think the above form is the most correct? Being people, "who" should be more appropriate than "that", isn't it? (At least for the British English ;))

Quote

which is entirely dependant on a personal point of view.

each so called class, can call others, in other different so called classes, as having no life.

In other words... you're a nerd! :p
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Lusche on September 29, 2007, 11:21:50 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Gianlupo
That's the problem, Lusche, this is just part of the situation. Yes, you have to engage. No, you don't have to FIGHT. The truth is, if you care about your ranking, you'll just do whatever you can to boost your kills minimizing your deaths... and we all know what that means.... vulching, picking, running... that's why I think an overall rank would do no good.

If you are too much into picking & running, your k/h will be real lousy. And unless you are a pure primetime player, good vulching opportunities are not that numerous. (Especially not in the EW arena)
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Gianlupo on September 29, 2007, 11:33:45 AM: Well, let's hope you're right. ;)

But, as they say... "I've got a bad feeling about this!" :D
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: DieAz on September 30, 2007, 12:56:20 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Gianlupo

In other words... you're a nerd! :p

hmmmmmmmmm.
go sit on the Pisa Tower. :p

:D
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Gianlupo on September 30, 2007, 04:22:26 AM: :lol I used to do that some months ago..! Now.... now............. sigh.... :huh ..... I feel lonely!!!! :cry
Title: Time will give us results....
Post by: Phil on September 30, 2007, 09:40:36 AM: Gents !

Gianlup and Lucshe !

You guys have brought up good points !

In my opinion, real good long scraps are found in Mid and Early war...
M'not saying it doesn't happen in the other arenas !
Early and Mid war have less numbers. Often when you encounter your adversary, the odds are often fair. (1 vs 1 or 2 vs 3)
Now your skills are tested !
As for other arenas, you have a different style of fighting.(Often furballs)
Different skills are applied.... (S.A and Zoom and Boom etc....)

I'm hoping to see those top ranked fighters come and fight in the Early and Mid arenas. I've fought against some of them(In Mid). The pilot had 400 kills+.
The scrap was over and done within 20seconds. I returned to base without even being pinged.... I investigated further to see that the same pilot was flying fast planes "zoom and boom" only.
He obviously was inexperienced when the situation turned into a "turn" and "stall" fight. Never saw him again. Must of hurt his pride. I'm just an average pilot....

Time will give us answers ! I'm anxious !

Why can't a pilot chose at the start of the tour if he wishes to post his scores on the scoreboard ?
That score system is making players do and say dumb things !

Phil
Title: Re: Time will give us results....
Post by: NoBaddy on September 30, 2007, 10:17:54 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Phil

That score system is making players do and say dumb things !

Phil

Hmm, isn't this a little like saying that flying a particular plane makes one a dweeb? :)
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: WWhiskey on September 30, 2007, 01:29:01 PM: sounds good to me (what you may ask) heck if i know
i fly bombers in some arenas, and not so mush in others, yet my score aint that great, or that bad, nor any different than before. only thing milking has let me do is encrease base captures and thats a score builder for me but i waste those points in other arenas doing stupid (and or fun stuff)
things i would not do if i were a true score monger. i might try harder to get a good score in one arena now and goof off somewere else. i just hope e and m war doesnt suffer.over all i think it will be a good thing!(but then what does he know!!).:confused: :confused: :noid
Title: Re: Re: Re: Seperate scores!
Post by: bj229r on September 30, 2007, 03:38:24 PM: Quote
Originally posted by NoBaddy
To a certain extent, you are correct. What it will do is take away the incentive for experienced players to come pump their scores in EW/MW. Not really a bad thing. :)

ARGH! What are the S.O.A.R. gonna do?:D
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Seperate scores!
Post by: storch on September 30, 2007, 03:41:31 PM: Quote
Originally posted by bj229r
ARGH! What are the S.O.A.R. gonna do?:D
I love your sig line
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Seperate scores!
Post by: Donzo on September 30, 2007, 04:19:10 PM: Quote
Originally posted by bj229r
ARGH! What are the S.O.A.R. gonna do?:D

They will probably rule the EW and MW arenas (score-wise) and feel real good about themselves.

It's sad to listen to them actually justify what they do in the unopposed arenas.

Here's one: "Look at my gv score, I have over 800 gv kills...now try and tell me there was no opposition!" :aok

I like this one the best: "You ever play chess? Well, see, you get a better score not just by killing other guys but by inflicting damage on strat targets too." :huh

These guys crack me up....but it is their $15.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: DieAz on September 30, 2007, 04:22:53 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Gianlupo
:lol I used to do that some months ago..! Now.... now............. sigh.... :huh ..... I feel lonely!!!! :cry

sigh, gonna take some work, to get you up to speed.
(think it went over your head)
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: BaldEagl on October 03, 2007, 10:23:36 AM: Quote
Originally posted by SteveBailey
Why would you want to force anyone to do anything?

I didn't mean to bump this thread but the answer to this question just dawned on me this morning.

To be a score-potato, you're already "forced" to do things. You have to do PT missions, get base captures, kills and damage in several catagories, etc., etc.

This doesn't force anyone to do anything unless they want a top score/rank, in which case they have to fulfill the requirements to do so just as they do now (although they would have to do it in all three arena types).
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Gianlupo on October 03, 2007, 01:40:02 PM: Quote
Originally posted by BaldEagl
To be a score-potato, you're already "forced" to do things.

Choose freedom, be a furballer! :D
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Nilsen on October 04, 2007, 06:23:31 AM: LOL .. just came from LW orange. Had only a few players on, and guess what... About 10 rooks were hitting field after field in true EW/MW fashion and the same squads as usual too :D Nothing much changes eh? :lol

Would be sweet if we got only one LW arena, or that one was closed when fewer than say 300 players were on :)
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Lusche on October 04, 2007, 08:16:00 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Nilsen
LOL .. just came from LW orange. Had only a few players on, and guess what... About 10 rooks were hitting field after field in true EW/MW fashion and the same squads as usual too :D Nothing much changes eh? :lol

Would be sweet if we got only one LW arena, or that one was closed when fewer than say 300 players were on :)

I was there too, and I had to check again if I really was not in EW:

12 rooks - 2 knight - 1 bish

And like you said, the usual suspects. SOAR "We only fly bish!" guys hopping on the rook bandwagon to get their precious captures...

:rofl
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Nilsen on October 04, 2007, 08:18:50 AM: Lol yup.. :D

Really makes you giggle :lol
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Flash on October 04, 2007, 08:53:03 AM: Would be sweet if we got only one LW arena, or that one was closed when fewer than say 300 players were on

I like this idea or at least try it.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: storch on October 04, 2007, 10:07:16 AM: well at least we can count on squads like the soars to lead the way in exploiting any opportunity to have a low a score at the expense of actually having skill.

we all need to be good at something, I suppose becoming a world class sap is a worthwhile goal too.

wtg soars you guys are the best at gaming the game.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: BaldEagl on October 04, 2007, 11:27:33 AM: I really do hate to say anything bad because I've actually flown with/worked with the SOARs on a few occasions when there was actual combat to be had in EW.

Their nice guys and all but one night I was in EW grabbing a few freebie base captures (there were 0 Knights, 0 Rooks and a handful of Bish... not something I'm particularily proud of) to keep up with the Joneses (SOARs) to maintain my scores and every time a base was captured they all give a big WTG over country channel.

I found the big congratulations over capturing totally undefended fields to be a bit humerous.

And BTW, I ended last camp with 4 goon captures and 6 vehicle captures and there were still 209 and 253 people respectively with more than me! I guess quite a few people were milking EW/MW for captures.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Nilsen on October 04, 2007, 11:39:09 AM: Some of us acutually manages to capture bases in the most populated LW arenas. Thats kinda how the bases and maps change hands so often :) All it takes is a lack of social life and/or family that takes care of that part :D
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Tiger on October 04, 2007, 12:00:36 PM: Quote
Originally posted by storch
well at least we can count on squads like the soars to lead the way in exploiting any opportunity to have a low a score at the expense of actually having skill.

we all need to be good at something, I suppose becoming a world class sap is a worthwhile goal too.

wtg soars you guys are the best at gaming the game.

Wow, Storch jumped on a squad other than the BoPs!!!
You feelin alright?
You might want to go to the doctor and have that checked out?
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Lusche on October 04, 2007, 12:04:14 PM: Quote
Originally posted by BaldEagl

Their nice guys and all but one night I was in EW grabbing a few freebie base captures (there were 0 Knights, 0 Rooks and a handful of Bish... not something I'm particularily proud of) to keep up with the Joneses (SOARs) to maintain my scores and every time a base was captured they all give a big WTG over country channel.

Actually it's only that attitude that cracks me up. Anybody can milk all day long, it's their 15$, not my bussiness, and even worse: I do it myself at times. ;)

But to really believe that capturing undefended bases is some sort of achivement thats worth a whole lot of WTG's and a source of squad pride... :rolleyes:
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: storch on October 04, 2007, 12:04:29 PM: I'm sure the FoSGs recruiter is keeping a sharp eye on these up and coming new members but their suckage is not nearly refined enough yet. I'm placing a covered call for when the soars hit -.260 and I don't feel the need to buy any puts on that. :aok
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: BaldEagl on October 04, 2007, 12:54:29 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Nilsen
Some of us acutually manages to capture bases in the most populated LW arenas. Thats kinda how the bases and maps change hands so often :) All it takes is a lack of social life and/or family that takes care of that part :D

But you get to do it on Euro time. It's a lot harder during US prime time.
Title: Seperate scores!
Post by: Nilsen on October 04, 2007, 01:10:45 PM: Quote
Originally posted by BaldEagl
But you get to do it on Euro time. It's a lot harder during US prime time.

I play both Euro and US time actually as they overlap.